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What are good small liberal arts schools in Pennsylvania and New Jersey?

(asking for a relative, not me)

by Anonymousreply 188February 26, 2019 9:49 AM

Haverford

Swarthmore

Bryn Mawr

Franklin & Marshall

Lehigh

Lafayette

Bucknell

Muhlenberg

Those are all the reputable small colleges in PA. NJ has none.

by Anonymousreply 1December 3, 2018 5:00 AM

Drew in New Jersey is good (albeit not Princeton good).

by Anonymousreply 2December 3, 2018 5:14 AM

Wow, reply one really nailed the Pa. schools. Great job. I would just add if they are in the arts at all is University of the Arts in Philly.

by Anonymousreply 3December 3, 2018 5:21 AM

Dickinson is good as well (stats are similar to Muhlenberg's).

by Anonymousreply 4December 3, 2018 5:24 AM

Allegheny, Juniata, and Ursinus are listed on the Colleges That Change Lives website. They have higher acceptance rates than schools like Swarthmore, Bryn Mawr, Haverford, etc., but they're great schools nonetheless.

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by Anonymousreply 5December 3, 2018 5:33 AM

Seton Hall in South Orange, New Jersey Duquesne in Pittsburgh. These are both Catholic colleges, but decently ranked

by Anonymousreply 6December 3, 2018 5:59 AM

Arcadia in Pennsylvania is a good school. It is in the Philadelphia suburbs.

by Anonymousreply 7December 3, 2018 6:14 AM

Datalounge U

by Anonymousreply 8December 3, 2018 6:22 AM

Arcadia used to be called Beaver College, after the town where it was founded. The administration decided to change the name because internet-filtering software intended to block porn often blocked access to the school website, and also because the vajeene-esque name was a deterrent in admissions.

They have a castle on campus that was built as the home of a Gilded Age industrialist. It now houses not only administrative offices but some student housing on its upper floors. I'd loved to have lived in a castle in college!

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by Anonymousreply 9December 3, 2018 6:30 AM

Montclair State in NJ may suit you. But check for yourself. It's been a while.

Also, the one that used to be called Glassboro State may have a good design department.

by Anonymousreply 10December 3, 2018 7:16 AM

Drew University and Farleigh Dickinson are it as far as New Jersey goes. Drew has a beautiful campus, too bad they rejected me.

by Anonymousreply 11December 3, 2018 1:45 PM

I filtered out school with >10000 students. Not really SLACs if they're that big.

by Anonymousreply 12December 3, 2018 1:53 PM

Where did you go r11

by Anonymousreply 13December 3, 2018 1:58 PM

Gee, r1, I think there may be one or two schools in NJ at least as the good as the renowned Muhlenberg.

by Anonymousreply 14December 3, 2018 2:00 PM

Go to US News Best Colleges for information. Don't ask the ancient posters here, most of whom haven't been in college in over 30 years.

by Anonymousreply 15December 3, 2018 2:04 PM

R11, UC Berkeley. I still can't believe Drew turned me down.

by Anonymousreply 16December 3, 2018 2:28 PM

^ Yeah, that is odd. Drew is a good school but nowhere near as selective as the top private/public universities and small LACs.

by Anonymousreply 17December 3, 2018 2:35 PM

Per Google Drew had an acceptance rate of 70.3% in 2015-2016. UC Berkeley's was 16.9% that same year although it doesn't break down in state and out of state stats.

by Anonymousreply 18December 3, 2018 4:35 PM

R1's list + Dickinson and (maybe) Gettysburg for PA

The College of NJ (TCNJ) and (maybe) Seton Hall for NJ. (Stephens is a decent tech school too.)

by Anonymousreply 19December 3, 2018 4:39 PM

^^and Bryn Mawr (all-female), Haverford and Swarthmore are much harder to get into than any of the others, followed closely by Lehigh, which is enjoying a surge of popularity

by Anonymousreply 20December 3, 2018 4:40 PM

No there really isn’t anything of note in NJ for schools other than Okd Nassau. My aunt (who was none too bright) transferred a million times and actually was at Farleigh Dickinson for about 6 weeks, in between going to American and NYU - even for her it was not a good enough school and never meant to be permanent - my father use to call it Fairly Ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 21December 3, 2018 7:12 PM

Rider in Lawrenceville,NJ?

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by Anonymousreply 22December 3, 2018 7:16 PM

I used to work in higher ed (Haverford, as it happens), and frankly the U.S News rankings are bogus - they're based on college staff and faculty rating each other so it's all a game of how well deans and staff can schmooze with their counterparts.

by Anonymousreply 23December 3, 2018 7:25 PM

[quote]my father used to call it Fairly Ridiculous.

EVERYONE used to call it Fairly Ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 24December 3, 2018 9:01 PM

Yes, by all means, don't listen to the old queens who haven't been in college for 30 years. They only hire people out of college, what do they know? Please go by the US News ranking. Bogus is kind.

by Anonymousreply 25December 3, 2018 9:37 PM

Dickinson and Haverford are the only two to consider.

by Anonymousreply 26December 3, 2018 10:06 PM

Oh stop, R26. Swarthmore is outstanding.

by Anonymousreply 27December 3, 2018 10:20 PM

Swarthmore's name is stupid .. this takes it out of the running.

by Anonymousreply 28December 3, 2018 10:23 PM

Behave. Swarthmore gave us PDQ Bach.

by Anonymousreply 29December 3, 2018 10:46 PM

r13 when did you apply to Drew?

It has really gone downhill in the past few years. (I know someone who graduated.) It used to be in the third tier of schools but it plummeted to about 80 percent acceptance rate. Their fees went up so much (I saw them on a top 10 list of most expensive schools once.) and then for some reason their application totals started dropping. I guess due to the fees but other schools raised fees too.

They cut their tuition by 20 percent a few years ago to try and draw more people.

Odd how a school can plumet in reputation like that.

by Anonymousreply 30December 4, 2018 4:47 AM

R23, I work in higher ed as well and the US News rankings are not bogus. They are based on actual data, not staff and faculty ratings. You may not like the rankings, but they are not bogus.

by Anonymousreply 31December 4, 2018 1:58 PM

Rosemont College

by Anonymousreply 32December 4, 2018 2:28 PM

Does Rutgers still have a separate Douglass College for girls?

by Anonymousreply 33December 4, 2018 3:16 PM

R30, I applied to Drew about 15 years ago. It had a high acceptance rate at the time, probably around 65-70%, but it was a respected regional LAC. I'm surprised to hear its reputation has fallen and acceptance rate has gone up. Most schools have gotten more selective since the early 2000s.

by Anonymousreply 34December 4, 2018 3:54 PM

Indeed, r31, just don’t tell that to Harvard.

by Anonymousreply 35December 4, 2018 4:48 PM

All those schools should be shut down. We don't need liberal politics being taught to our children. Sad.

by Anonymousreply 36December 4, 2018 5:40 PM

Princeton is all.

by Anonymousreply 37December 4, 2018 6:58 PM

Swarthmore arguably offers the best undergraduate education in the US, and the campus is gorgeous. The food...blech.

by Anonymousreply 38December 4, 2018 7:03 PM

r38 sounds like someone who knows. But WHEN did he know?

by Anonymousreply 39December 5, 2018 9:42 AM

Swarthmore is a huge party school.

by Anonymousreply 40December 5, 2018 12:32 PM

There a bunch in Upstate New York too. Colgate, Skidmore, St. Lawrence, Ithaca, Hobart, Hartwick, Siena, Union, Marist and others. Also several selective SUNY Colleges like Geneseo.

by Anonymousreply 41December 5, 2018 1:18 PM

Pocket gay Ronan Farrow went to Bard.

by Anonymousreply 42December 6, 2018 8:39 AM

Farrow was a prodigy and could have gone anywhere; Bard, with its Montessori-like vibe, probably seemed like a good fit at 12-12. He ended up at Yale Law, where most Yale undergrads fail to get admitted.

There are *no* excellent LACs in NJ and only Swat, Haverford, and Bryn Mawr in PA. For those, you need to head north (Bowdoin, Amherst, Wesleyan, Middlebury, Williams, Wellesley, Smith) or south (Davidson and [puke] Washington & Lee).

by Anonymousreply 43December 6, 2018 8:56 AM

When did Washington & Lee become "excellent"? It used to be a safety school for dumb, rich Southern boys.

by Anonymousreply 44December 6, 2018 8:59 AM

[R43] here. I deplore W&L, but it's immense endowment has allowed it to hire first-class faculty and attract highly intelligent (and socially obnoxious) students. Vanderbilt has likewise become an almost-peer of Duke rather than a safety.

by Anonymousreply 45December 6, 2018 9:03 AM

This person is only looking for good schools. I don't think he'd get into or even want to attend a top school.

He's at a huge city university now and very unhappy. His parents and therapist think a small low pressure (but still somewhat respected school) would be best.

But thanks for all the info so far!

by Anonymousreply 46December 6, 2018 9:05 AM

Wesleyan used to have the highest endowment-per-student of any college or university in the U.S., but the administration made the mistake of doubling the size of the student body when it went co-ed and lost big on some stock (Xerox?), leaving it in the dust. Now it's recovering and has finally jioned the billion-dollar club but will need to double that to catch up with the other two of the Little Three.

by Anonymousreply 47December 6, 2018 9:06 AM

Ah, [R46], the schools mentioned by others above would be good fits then, I think, and wouldn't close any doors in terms of grad school depending on what he accomplishes at them. The only thing a non-elite school rules out is I-bank recruitment.

by Anonymousreply 48December 6, 2018 9:08 AM

thanks r48 but what is I-Bank?

by Anonymousreply 49December 6, 2018 9:12 AM

R1, I mostly agree, but living near Lehigh (and having a Master's from it), Lafayette, and Muhlenberg, I'd say the former is still known for its engineering emphasis.

by Anonymousreply 50December 6, 2018 9:14 AM

Muhlenberg is not that good of a college. I know someone who went there and he said how for degrees in business, and accounting he should have just gone to Penn State or Temple instead and saved money.

by Anonymousreply 51December 6, 2018 9:18 AM

Muhlenberg was the first college I ever toured. (my friend's sister went there.)

I barely remember it but my impression was that it looked like a high school.

by Anonymousreply 52December 6, 2018 9:23 AM

R51, I totally agree about Penn State (definitely not inner-city-located Temple), but the OP asked for "small."

by Anonymousreply 53December 6, 2018 9:25 AM

I-bank = investment bank

by Anonymousreply 54December 6, 2018 9:32 AM

Haverford, Swathmore, Dickinson, Albright, Washington and Jefferson, Lehigh, Lafayette, Gettysburg, Bucknell, Juniata, Franklin and Marshall, and here's a link OP.

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by Anonymousreply 55December 6, 2018 9:32 AM

I attended Allegheny, and loved every minute of my time there. Definitely life-changing.

by Anonymousreply 56December 6, 2018 10:28 AM

On the map at r55 there is a college in the north east corner of PA but when you pull up the map on the page nothing is there. Any idea what college that is that is right south of the NY border?

by Anonymousreply 57December 7, 2018 4:33 AM

Everyone should read The Waves by Virginia Woolf.

by Anonymousreply 58December 7, 2018 8:35 AM

R56 what did you enjoy about attending there? What did you study?

by Anonymousreply 59December 7, 2018 3:32 PM

We liked Allegheny College well enough.

by Anonymousreply 60December 7, 2018 3:46 PM

R10 When I graduated it was Montclair State Teachers College.

by Anonymousreply 61December 7, 2018 3:56 PM

I live 5-10 minutes from Drew and Fairly Dickinson and it's a really nice area in Morris county NJ.

Drew is a five minute walk to downtown Madison, and a five minute drive to Morristown, which now has a really busy upmarket night life and great restaurants. Fairly Dickinson is even closer.

Plenty of part time jobs around too if your relative needs one.

by Anonymousreply 62December 7, 2018 3:59 PM

Visited Drew with my niece. Totally dead on a weekend must be a suitcase school. Madison nj is a great town for white girls (lattes, boutiques, train to NYC etc)

Any input on laSalle, Ursinus or Duquesne for pre PT focus?

by Anonymousreply 63December 7, 2018 4:09 PM

It is very white R63, but Morristown is a bit more diverse and busy on the weekends. It's two train stops from Madison.

by Anonymousreply 64December 7, 2018 4:10 PM

R63 if your relative wants to study physical therapy tell her to look at Penn State or Temple.

LaSalle is not that bad of a university, and neither are the rest you listed but they are expensive, and professors and instructors at LaSalle, Upenn, and Drexel all teach or lecture at other universities in the city.

by Anonymousreply 65December 7, 2018 7:41 PM

[quote]Any input on laSalle, Ursinus or Duquesne for pre PT focus?

Duquesne is Catholic. Also, there was a cover story in the Pittsburgh City Paper ten years ago or so on what a shitty school Duquesne is vis-a-vis getting a job when you graduate. It would be my last choice among PA colleges and universities.

Pitt has a Physical Therapy department. That would be my choice. It's not a small school, but it's in a nice part of town.

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by Anonymousreply 66December 7, 2018 9:49 PM

Years ago there used to be rumors that Allegheny was a big druggie school. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

by Anonymousreply 67December 7, 2018 10:03 PM

Speaking of Pittsburgh I always found it interesting that University of Pittsburgh was/is (for whatever reason) a top Med School.

by Anonymousreply 68December 7, 2018 10:03 PM

Why is that so interesting, r68?

by Anonymousreply 69December 7, 2018 10:04 PM

R69 because otherwise it’s a millionth tier school.

Usually top law & medical schools at least somewhat align with the schools undergraduate ranking ...

by Anonymousreply 70December 7, 2018 10:11 PM

Pitt isn't so bad, is it?

by Anonymousreply 71December 7, 2018 10:12 PM

I taught at Villanova for a semester (guest faculty) and I liked the students a lot. It may be too large for the student OP is asking for, but it felt warm and supportive (and I am not Catholic).

by Anonymousreply 72December 7, 2018 10:14 PM

OP, you are your ilk might get into Fairly Ridiculous University

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by Anonymousreply 73December 7, 2018 10:18 PM

Swarthmore is was one of the few schools that hasn't followed the trend towards grade inflation. You would be crazy to attend if you want a shot at getting into med school.

by Anonymousreply 74December 7, 2018 10:28 PM

US News ratings really are bogus. The metrics are easily gamed and rely on the good faith of the sleazy administrators who supply them.

Pitt received a lot of Mellon money at a key point and has always been susccessful at securing outside research funding. Ther often have been universities whose med schools rep outstripped the overall rep of the school: George Washington, Cincinnati and Vanderbilt for example.

by Anonymousreply 75December 7, 2018 10:34 PM

Pitt isn't "good" for PT. It has the highest-ranked DPT program in the U.S..

by Anonymousreply 76December 8, 2018 4:42 AM

[R74] Med schools and law schools and PhD programs all know about Swarthmore's rigor and the near impossiblity of getting a 4.0 there. Swarthmore grads are extremely successful in gaining admission to the top graduate programs in every field and profession.

by Anonymousreply 77December 8, 2018 4:45 AM

I used to love sitting alone in the grassy amphitheatre by Crum Creek. Swat's so beautiful.

by Anonymousreply 78December 8, 2018 4:46 AM

Swarthmorw is such an egghead school.

Btw do you know Judd Nelson of all people want to Haveford? And St.Paul’s before that?

by Anonymousreply 79December 8, 2018 8:26 AM

I work with agrad of Phillips Andover & Williams. A total medicocrity and a legacy at both places (father taught at Exeter). He also went to a med school where a grandparent had once been president. In otherw words, you can seem pretty unexceptionally educated because you got into these places through privilege and they're not so difficult that you can easily flunk out.

by Anonymousreply 80December 8, 2018 1:27 PM

MCAT score trumps undergraduate grades

by Anonymousreply 81December 8, 2018 1:34 PM

[quote]A total medicocrity

three inches hard?

by Anonymousreply 82December 8, 2018 1:56 PM

If you wanna impress people at a cocktail party, Swarthmore and Haverford are the schools to consider.

by Anonymousreply 83December 8, 2018 2:14 PM

Farleigh Dickinson = Fairly Ridiculous

by Anonymousreply 84December 8, 2018 2:35 PM

Fairleigh Dickinson, not Farleigh

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by Anonymousreply 85December 8, 2018 2:41 PM

Peggy Noonan went to Fairly Ridiculous...

by Anonymousreply 86December 8, 2018 5:44 PM

R67 aren't all colleges and universities places where people use lots of drugs? When I was in college most people drank, smoked pot or had before, and used other drugs like MDMA/MDA/ecstasy, coke, amphetamine tablets, and downer pills like benzos and opiates were popular, and I was into psychedelics like acid and mushrooms, and I still graduated in the top percentage of my class.

by Anonymousreply 87December 11, 2018 9:28 PM

I would pass on Rider. They're having major financial problems owing to bad decisions their president made (buying Westminster Choir College for some bizarre reason, which they're trying to pawn off on the Chinese). The faculty are constantly talking strike.

by Anonymousreply 88December 11, 2018 9:57 PM

Some majors at Swarthmore are easier than others. No major there is [italic]easy[/italic] per se, but the humanities aren't as grueling as math and the sciences. A good friend of mine who was our class salutatorian got in, but we went to a shitty public high school and she had lousy SATs. She graduated from Swat with honors in art history.

by Anonymousreply 89December 11, 2018 10:04 PM

Swarthmore is pretty hardcore due to the engineering program and a lot of more practical majors. Seems much more intense than the prototypical LAC experience. Haverford seems like the more classic LAC - learning for learning’s sake, beautiful campus, very PC with the Honor Code, lots of preppies, and located right on Main Line in a really expensive town. Bryn Mawr is a great location too - definitely an old school vibe with classic neo-Gothic architecture right on Main Line. But would have to be ok with an all girls school (perfect for lesbians) - though easier to get into because it’s single sex so a good option if SATs or other stats aren’t stellar.

Dickinson, Bucknell and Lehigh are the second tier - though I think they have a lot of non-liberal arts majors like business too so not a classic LAC experience.

by Anonymousreply 90December 11, 2018 11:48 PM

Uh, Dickinson is not second tier. It's a very good school. Certainly better than party school Lehigh.

by Anonymousreply 91December 11, 2018 11:52 PM

[quote]She graduated from Swat with honors in art history.

"Swat" is what they call it?

by Anonymousreply 92December 12, 2018 12:28 AM

R92, yep, Swarthmore is Swat and Haverford is the 'Ford.

These are schools for people within a certain milieu.

by Anonymousreply 93December 12, 2018 1:26 AM

In no way is Dickinson better than Lehigh.

by Anonymousreply 94December 12, 2018 1:50 AM

And to the above poster, I went to an elite engineering school (caltech/mit/Berkeley) and many of my classmates could not get into US med school (or not until three rounds of applications in some cases) despite getting high mcat scores because their gpas were sub-3.0.

by Anonymousreply 95December 12, 2018 1:53 AM

[quote] In no way is Dickinson better than Lehigh.

No. Dickinson is always ahead of Lehigh in US News rankings. Lehigh is a school for future alcoholics.

by Anonymousreply 96December 12, 2018 2:29 AM

Dickinson is third tier - even for the people at the bottom of my class it was a safety school. For me much less than a safety school

by Anonymousreply 97December 12, 2018 2:31 AM

Montclair state campus is beautiful for a stare school White buildings with red roofs overlooking Manhattan. 22k. BFA theatre program is in top 2o with number 3 dance program in country.

by Anonymousreply 98December 12, 2018 3:04 AM

Little school liberal northeastern Pennsylvania Keystone College

by Anonymousreply 99December 12, 2018 3:07 AM

Montclair Dance program #3? Uh no, don't think so. First, it's a program within the Theater Department. Second, very small faculty comparatively to many other programs in the U.S. Big focus on musical theater: yes. But that a top tier program it does not make. Lowly undergrad dance ed program. Nope.

by Anonymousreply 100December 12, 2018 3:09 AM

Raytown Junior College

by Anonymousreply 101December 12, 2018 3:11 AM

Cass was a sophomore, planning to go to Swarthmore

by Anonymousreply 102December 12, 2018 3:14 AM

At Allegheny we studied hard and drank a lot. Not much of a drug problem. Great school if you intend to go onto graduate studies—medical, law, etc.

by Anonymousreply 103December 12, 2018 3:25 AM

Lehigh, as I've said upthread, is not a LAC. Its sports teams were even called the Engineers until not that long ago.

by Anonymousreply 104December 12, 2018 9:16 AM

In the 70's, the gay organization at Lehigh was called

Lehigh Ho

Still makes me smile

by Anonymousreply 105December 12, 2018 4:21 PM

Rider university is not that good of a university. Neither is TCNJ. The only good university in NJ is Princeton, and Upenn in Philadelphia is a lot more prestigious than Princeton.

by Anonymousreply 106December 12, 2018 11:29 PM

[quote]The only good university in NJ is Princeton, and Upenn in Philadelphia is a lot more prestigious than Princeton.

Penn > Princeton?

Really?

by Anonymousreply 107December 12, 2018 11:30 PM

R106 = Donald J. Trump

by Anonymousreply 108December 12, 2018 11:31 PM

I know of a heroin addict/dealer who was attending a satellite campus of Pitt, and he would go to Meadville to sell heroin and coke to students at Allegheny college.

by Anonymousreply 109December 12, 2018 11:32 PM

Yes R107. Penn is far superior to Princeton, and the networking and alumni connections as well as programs of study both in undergraduate and graduate, PhD. and post doctoral level that are not available at Princeton.

by Anonymousreply 110December 12, 2018 11:37 PM

R90 Bryn Mar=dyke lac. Seriously most women who go there are lesbian.

by Anonymousreply 111December 12, 2018 11:43 PM

R111, have you seen them? The Bryn Mawr student body is not known for its beauty.

by Anonymousreply 112December 12, 2018 11:46 PM

Belcher College

by Anonymousreply 113December 13, 2018 12:11 AM

Tait College is great for Astonomy.

by Anonymousreply 114December 13, 2018 1:16 AM

I greatly resent thaaaht, r112.

by Anonymousreply 115December 13, 2018 2:29 AM

Bryn Mawr girls sho is ugleee!

by Anonymousreply 116December 13, 2018 3:22 AM

Is University of Penn a party school or in a rough neighborhood? A girl from my high school who went there got raped there. That always made it seem like an ominous place to me. (not that I wanted to go there or am female.)

(BTW Trump would have already graduated so it wasn't him, though I can't imagine he has done well for the school's image.)

by Anonymousreply 117December 13, 2018 7:21 AM

Penn’s neighborhood used to be really rough. But now it’s gentrified. Still about 10 blocks away, it gets bad again - so better but not the safest place to go to school. Like all of Philly, still poor but much better than it was.

And another vote for Princeton > Penn. Much more academic and harder to get into. But excessive legacy admittance makes it much WASPier and old money then Penn.

by Anonymousreply 118December 13, 2018 6:57 PM

Penn is a huge JAP school and it’s probably second from bottom of the Ivies (after Cornell of course). No way as academic or as hard to get into as Princeton - which by the way (because of all their “independent work” requirements) is by far the hardest Ivy from which to graduate (and graduate well). That’s a large reason why it’s #1 year after year.

by Anonymousreply 119December 13, 2018 9:08 PM

Too many people confuse Penn with Penn State. It's damaging to the prestige of the former.

by Anonymousreply 120December 13, 2018 11:30 PM

[quote] No way as academic or as hard to get into as Princeton

No one thinks UPenn is as good as Princeton. It's still a great school. The bottom of the ivies is still better than most schools.

by Anonymousreply 121December 14, 2018 12:04 AM

Melissa Rivers graduated from the University of Pennsylvania and she seems really shallow intellectually.

by Anonymousreply 122December 14, 2018 2:33 AM

Thank you R122 - the most DL comment ever - and perfect

by Anonymousreply 123December 14, 2018 2:46 AM

Brooke Shields went to Princeton!

by Anonymousreply 124December 14, 2018 3:10 AM

Musical theatre?

by Anonymousreply 125December 14, 2018 3:18 AM

r122, Actors who actually speak a foreign language like to show off their skills. So it's curious that it's impossible to find a video of Brooke speaking French on Youtube.

by Anonymousreply 126December 14, 2018 6:14 AM

I will never call Penn "uPenn." It looks like when people type "ur" instead of "your" or "you're." It's just "Penn."

by Anonymousreply 127December 14, 2018 6:23 AM

Is Drew in NJ a republican school?

It is located in what I would think would be a blue area BUT the former NJ republican governor was the president of it for like 15 years.

by Anonymousreply 128December 14, 2018 7:32 AM

R121 a couple people upthread opined that Penn was better than Princeton; I was largely responding to that.

by Anonymousreply 129December 14, 2018 8:53 AM

For Physical Therapy, please take a look at Arcadia, it is a huge program there.

by Anonymousreply 130December 14, 2018 9:11 AM

R126, here's a clip of Brooke parlez-vousing at 1:38. She could have said more but she seems very humble and prolly didn't want to be a show-off.

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by Anonymousreply 131December 14, 2018 10:16 AM

R106, Are you nuts?! Princeton is Avogadro's Number times more prestigious than Penn!

by Anonymousreply 132December 14, 2018 2:00 PM

I had already seen that clip, r131. All she says is "Je ne sais pas" then imitates a French accent in English.

by Anonymousreply 133December 14, 2018 5:33 PM

Whatever you do, stay away from Indiana University of Pennsylvania. No, it is not a satellite university of Indiana University (Bloomington, Indiana); instead it is one of the former teacher college in Pennsylvania. It was converted to a liberal arts college(sometime in the 70's, I believe). If you have a pulse, you will be accepted. The graduates have lousy critical thinking skills.

by Anonymousreply 134December 14, 2018 8:20 PM

This has devolved - there hasn’t been any better response than R1 so far. He really did nail it.

by Anonymousreply 135December 14, 2018 9:41 PM

Hudson University is said to have a satellite school in Scranton, OP.

by Anonymousreply 136December 14, 2018 10:53 PM

[quote] He ended up at Yale Law, where most Yale undergrads fail to get admitted.

I don't think most Yale undergrads actually apply to law school.

by Anonymousreply 137December 14, 2018 10:56 PM

Bryn Mawr is still all female. Funny how there are still all female colleges but a google search produces only 4 all male colleges left in the US.

by Anonymousreply 138December 15, 2018 5:36 AM

That's funny R134. I had teachers in high school who went there and needless to say they were not that good at teaching.

by Anonymousreply 139December 15, 2018 9:33 AM

We used to make fun of Indiana University of Pennsylvania in high school. It was like....don't you even know what state you are in?

by Anonymousreply 140December 15, 2018 9:46 AM

There's also California University of Pennsylvania.

by Anonymousreply 141December 15, 2018 7:43 PM

I know someone who went to Princeton on a wrestling scholarship, and it didn't give him any sort of advantage, but he is one of many people who have a psychology degree, and never went to graduate school.

by Anonymousreply 142December 15, 2018 10:13 PM

[quote]Whatever you do, stay away from Indiana University of Pennsylvania. No, it is not a satellite university of Indiana University (Bloomington, Indiana); instead it is one of the former teacher college in Pennsylvania. It was converted to a liberal arts college (sometime in the 70's, I believe). If you have a pulse, you will be accepted. The graduates have lousy critical thinking skills.

IUP is a buck-wild, heavily Greek party school, definitely no intellectual powerhouse. The campus is pretty, though.

by Anonymousreply 143December 15, 2018 10:32 PM

[quote]I know someone who went to Princeton on a wrestling scholarship

FALSE. Ivy League doesn't award athletic scholarships.

by Anonymousreply 144December 15, 2018 10:36 PM

Point Park University is a liberal arts university in downtown Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. ... Point Park University is a comprehensive doctoral-level university with a liberal arts tradition, and is located in the heart of Downtown Pittsburgh.

by Anonymousreply 145December 15, 2018 10:36 PM

R144 well he went to Princeton and mainly was admitted because of wrestling, and he was given some financial aid. He works for a software company now, and doesn't use his psych degree at all. My friends who went to Penn State, Drexel, Carnegie Mellon, and LaSalle who work for software and computer companies fared much better, have better jobs, and make more money, but they majored in IT, computer science, and computer engineering.

by Anonymousreply 146December 15, 2018 10:51 PM

bumping this thread

I heard someone refer to Lafayette as a "country club" school?

What do you think that means?

How do the schools in r1 compare in terms of the campuses? Which are the nicest? Gay friendliest? (Including Drew in NJ though not on r1's list)

by Anonymousreply 147February 12, 2019 7:56 AM

Any word on LaSalle near Philly?

I have heard of lots of partying and trustfund babies at Lafayette but it's a good school.

I went on a tour of Drew and it was weirdly depressing on campus. The town it's in was pleasant in an upscale white girl way.

by Anonymousreply 148February 12, 2019 11:19 AM

R147 - in a weird way, the order of that listing in R1 is pretty darn near the same order of the nicest campuses. Haverford is beautiful with a duck pond and rolling lawn and classic old buildings, Swarthmore has an arboretum and Bryn Mawr has classic neo-Gothic architecture (not as much nature though). With that said, the rest are more rural - or at least not suburban Philly - so they’re surrounded by more nature. But the blend of architecture and nature on campus isn’t quite as nice. Most national rankings of the nicest campuses include Haverford and Swarthmore.

Also, for gay-friendly, the top 3 are the same as R1. Though perhaps Bryn Mawr as an all girls school gets extra points for a strong lesbian identity - not just acceptance. Haverford and Swarthmore would both be in the top nationally for gay acceptance. I think the others are OK - but not quite as super gay. Sports and middle class straight kids create a more mainstream environment in those others. Technically accepting but not necessarily best in the country or places you would choose because of their gay acceptance.

IMO, Drew is not pretty and not overly gay. Fine but I really think it’s a different class than the rest.

LaSalle is a hardcore Philly school. Lots of locals - so it’s steeped in that Philly culture. Definitely not the most gay accepting - being nominally Catholic. Also not in a great section of Philly - surrounded by serious poverty and crime. I would actually do Temple before LaSalle.

by Anonymousreply 149February 12, 2019 2:07 PM

I have a former student at LaSalle and he loves it

by Anonymousreply 150February 12, 2019 2:15 PM

For R147:

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by Anonymousreply 151February 12, 2019 11:17 PM

[quote]We used to make fun of Indiana University of Pennsylvania in high school. It was like....don't you even know what state you are in?

We don't get it.

by Anonymousreply 152February 13, 2019 12:48 AM

[quote]Is University of Penn a party school or in a rough neighborhood? A girl from my high school who went there got raped there.

And then she transferred to Hudson University.

by Anonymousreply 153February 13, 2019 12:48 AM

How is it for transfer students? Are some of these harder or easier to get into as a transfer?

by Anonymousreply 154February 13, 2019 10:38 AM

I don't think Carnegie Mellon takes many transfer students, but it depends on the school.

by Anonymousreply 155February 13, 2019 10:50 AM

I thought Dartmouth and Brown were the bottom of the Ivy League?

by Anonymousreply 156February 13, 2019 11:09 AM

When you go to Europe you see a lot of Franklin and Marshall swag...why????

by Anonymousreply 157February 13, 2019 11:11 AM

Not sure why Franklin and Marshall specifically r157 but I know (at least 10 years ago not sure about now) it was fashionable to wear US college clothes. My friend who lives in Wales always had all sorts of US university stuff.

by Anonymousreply 158February 14, 2019 2:59 AM

Beautiful R147 - hard to believe that’s like 10 miles from Philly.

I read a story about how the whole Franklin & Marshall thing in Europe started. Some (Italian?) t-shirt manufacturer was looking to make an All-American type shirt. Think it was in the 90s. Somehow he came across F&M and started making a ton of them. I guess it does look very classic American school - and it is one of the oldest US schools. Eventually F&M decided it was good advertising and agreed to be partners in the process. So it became kinda like Abercrombie & Fitch - what Europeans think of as All American.

by Anonymousreply 159February 14, 2019 3:27 AM

^ I meant R151 video. Almost a prototype of the classic Northeast liberal arts college.

by Anonymousreply 160February 14, 2019 3:29 AM

"Allegheny, Juniata, and Ursinus are listed on the Colleges That Change Lives website. They have higher acceptance rates than schools like Swarthmore, Bryn Mawr, Haverford, etc., but they're great schools nonetheless."

I was born in raised in PA and know people who went to Juniata and Allegheny - they all had good things to say about those schools.

by Anonymousreply 161February 14, 2019 3:40 AM

Oops, that should be "born and raised in PA"

by Anonymousreply 162February 14, 2019 3:43 AM

Was in South of France and my friends teenage kids were desperate for me to send them college sweatshirts. "Any of them Harvard, Yale, Rutgers, Princeton"

My kids (the ones with the gay Dads) were aghast -- "Rutgers?!"

by Anonymousreply 163February 14, 2019 4:21 AM

Ahh lol - exactly. Strangely in my town where all the steers are named for Ivies and Little Ivies, Rutgers is also included. Think it was founded really early like those others. And has the same traditional logo.

by Anonymousreply 164February 14, 2019 4:34 AM

What is Villanova like? Is the law school respected? How's the area?

by Anonymousreply 165February 17, 2019 9:53 AM

[quote]What is Villanova like? Is the law school respected? How's the area?

I read recently that it is home to the Morris County, NJ, bro contingent, with a specialty in ex-Catholic schoolers (it is Catholic). The biggest assholes in my neighborhood went there to play b-ball.

[quote]Is the law school respected?

Couldn't say, but I'm not someone who respects law schools necessarily.

[quote]How's the area?

Philadelphia Main Line. Bring your car.

by Anonymousreply 166February 17, 2019 9:57 AM

What is the Morris County NJ bro contigent? Like frat dudes?

by Anonymousreply 167February 17, 2019 10:01 AM

Yes, r167. Just like frat dudes.

by Anonymousreply 168February 17, 2019 10:09 AM

Is Morris County really affluent?

by Anonymousreply 169February 17, 2019 10:13 AM

Parts of it are.

by Anonymousreply 170February 17, 2019 10:15 AM

why does it have such a distinct bro reputation

by Anonymousreply 171February 17, 2019 10:29 AM

You'll have to ask someone else that, r171. Just a guess: they didn't get into the school they really wanted to go to and are becoming drunks over it.

by Anonymousreply 172February 17, 2019 10:30 AM

Villanova was the PA, NJ, NY post-Catholic high school college until recently. Always knew it as the place where someone with OK grades went. A mid-Atlantic regional top 5 school. Now it’s become a real school - due to basketball.

Amazes me that a good basketball team suddenly makes a school selective. Welcome to America. But it’s emblematic of the type of student. Loves sports, ambitious but not intellectual, All-American frat bro type with the corresponding Jen-type girls. Not sure of the stats, but culturally and superficially super-white (except the basketball team). But a good training ground for a decent corporate job. Totally not gay or liberal.

Law school is fine if you are staying in Philly. But law as a career is dying and spending a lot of money on a tier 2/3 school is not a good investment.

by Anonymousreply 173February 17, 2019 3:59 PM

[quote]All-American frat bro type with the corresponding Jen-type girls.

"Jen-type" = Garner? Aniston? That super-shiksa who blew the fuck out of Harvey?

by Anonymousreply 174February 17, 2019 4:22 PM

[quote]Totally not gay or liberal.

Greg Rikaart survived. I wish SOD had asked him more about his college experience. How many roommates or best friends he fell in love with would be a good conversation starter.

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by Anonymousreply 175February 17, 2019 4:25 PM

Exactly R-174. Jen = Basic - to somewhat high-maintenance - white girl.

by Anonymousreply 176February 17, 2019 4:26 PM

Villanova is definitively NOT a liberal arts school. Business, accounting and nursing. The prototypical pre-professional school.

by Anonymousreply 177February 17, 2019 4:28 PM

If my across-the-street neighbors hadn't gone there (an entire family of sports-loving assholes), it's a school this Jersey boy might have applied to, and I would have gotten in.

But wait! It was Catholic. Not going there again. Nuh-uh.

by Anonymousreply 178February 17, 2019 4:31 PM

The president of Villanova is a priest that used to be the head of the theater dept. What a show queen!

by Anonymousreply 179February 18, 2019 1:32 AM

What is Manhattanville in NY like?

by Anonymousreply 180February 19, 2019 4:08 AM

bump for answer to r180

by Anonymousreply 181February 21, 2019 2:46 AM

R148 LaSalle is not a bad university but it is overpriced, and they are better off going to Penn State or Temple.

by Anonymousreply 182February 24, 2019 9:29 AM

Every time I see this headline, I read it as "What good are small liberal arts schools in Pennsylvania and New Jersey?"

by Anonymousreply 183February 24, 2019 1:00 PM

^^ That's the real question!

by Anonymousreply 184February 24, 2019 1:01 PM

If they want smaller and quieter, OP, Allegheny is one option.

St. Vincent is another. It's where Mister Rogers went! It is Catholic and you're in Latrobe which I am pretty sure doesn't even have a grocery store. But it would be a slower, calmer existence.

by Anonymousreply 185February 24, 2019 1:06 PM

DO NOT GO TO ST. VINCENT'S. THEY HAVE OCCASIONAL, BUT REGULAR DE-FAGGINGS OF THEIR STUDENT BODY. IT MAY BE LIMITED TO SEMINARIANS, BUT IT IS REAL.

by Anonymousreply 186February 24, 2019 1:08 PM

Manhattanville doesn’t have any particular reputation in NYC at least. I think people would consider City College of NY or a SUNY more prestigious - or at least known. Not sure what tuition is like - but no reason to go there instead of a state school or something cheaper. Pace or Hofstra would be the better known private schools. Definitely would not pay to go there. A free ride maybe worth it.

by Anonymousreply 187February 24, 2019 5:15 PM

R186 I hear they do this to staff as well. A friend of mine dated a bisexual man who lectured there and he said he could be easily fired from there for being bisexual.

by Anonymousreply 188February 26, 2019 9:49 AM
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