Joel & Lia went to (Christmas) Harrods this week and posted a film about it

I see the Joel & Lia shill is back. Has he come out yet?

Who?

No, he hasn't, R1.

They did a thing "today we respond to what people wonder about us" and I was wondering if anyone of the questions were going to be about whether he was gay. But no.

Some former fat closeted gay guy and his hag. They live in London.

How do you know he used to be fat?

It was mentioned in one of the previous threads on him, along with photographic evidence.

How do they manage to sell all those chocolates before they go stale?

I wonder if Joel will ever do a coming out video -

"There's something I want to tell you guys..."

SO MANY VLOGGERS have done it.

I can't believe people as pathetic as OP have the will to get out of bed in the morning.

So you're the Joel & Lia shill, OP?

^^ The sweet ones are out in full force today, I see @R9.

No, R10 I just thought a few people on DL would like to have a look at Christmas Harrods and Joel & Lia are the perfect people to show you around.

OP just post their representation information and be done with it. That way if anyone wants to hire them to shill a product, they will have easy access.

You're too cynical. They're sweet people.

Joel is typically not my type, but boy do I want to fuck him soooooooooooooooooo bad. 👅

[quote]Joel is typically not my type, but boy do I want to fuck him soooooooooooooooooo bad.

This doesn't make sense.

OP = Joel

Why would Joel be in the closet? He lives in one of the gayest cities in the world.

I don't know - why don't you ask him?

Someone commented about thick bottoms still being able to get sex on his ex-fat post...and he replied with laughter emojis. Not a receipt, but he knows what people assume about him. He seems to be closeted, but not be too worried about people thinking he’s gay. Maybe it’s some toxic family, Queen Latifah-type shit.

His father looks pretty gay as well.

He doesn't look so fat in the old photo.

OP-Joel and Lia, shilling.

OK - I wont post about Joel & Lia again.

I get the message.

Unless he comes out - then I WILL post.

Mr. Joel Wood and his hairy legs and perfect teeth fascinates me.

His hag got a nose job last year. Said that she had her septum straightened. And bobbed a quarter pounder off the tip.

Fag and hag look cute together.

OP = Joel's publicist, Roberto Sanchero III, of the East Anglia Sancheros

East Angular ... that's a country innit?

Despite me making fun of him and his hag and his desperate closeted Youtube shilling lifestyle, I'd still do him. He does seem like a sweetheart and he's very cute and furry.

Hag is Greek.

Must posess a Balkan Bush.

Ew! You know she has to keep that thing trimmed every three days, otherwise when she was nude it would look like she was wearing a skirt.

For fucks sake OP: how many us do you think are provincial flyovers like yourself? Who hasn’t been to the banal overstaffed and understocked Harrods?

[quote]For fucks sake OP: how many us do you think are provincial flyovers like yourself? Who hasn’t been to the banal overstaffed and understocked Harrods?

considering this is an American site - many of "us".

In fact can I walk to Harrods from where I live.

As for being a "provincial flyover" - that's clearly what YOU are as that is your go-to insult.

[quote] and Joel & Lia are the perfect people to show you around.

Only a shill would say that.

& who gives a fuck if Joel lost weight? And Lia had a nose job? If they hadn't, you'd be sneering at them for not having done these things.

People like Joel & Lia can't win on DL.

[quote]Only a shill would say that.

Not really - because I'm NOT a shill.

and I notice not a single person has referenced the actual video, just sniping at Joel and Lia.

I think he’s simply lovely. A total delight. I’d bend him over the doily covered arm of a sofa and split him open like ripe fruit. Oh yes I would, and he’d jolly well enjoy it too. Pip pip Cheerio beg for more....

I loathe those two. They think they're sophisticated; they're not!

I don't. I think they're rather innocent in fact.

As probably the only person here who has actually been to Harrods, and many times, I adore the food court. I also buy a couple Christmas puddings to enjoy at the holidays. They're soaked in brandy and you serve them with their ginger butter sauce.

[quote]They're soaked in brandy and you serve them with their ginger butter sauce.

I think you mean Brandy Butter.

Maybe Joel, an actor, could play Sheridan Bucket.

Great casting, R43. God knows what made you think of that.

and we'll have to find a part for Lia.

Lia can be Tarquin's sister.

Joel looks like a younger version of Mike Pratt.

see what I mean?

Uh, no

More like a younger British Joel McHale.

You know she must think she has a rich, fulfilling and exciting sex life.

They're not a couple. They were each dumped by their respective partners in the summer.

Joel had a "partner"?

I think Joel works for me because he’s genuinely attractive in the face, but also completely posh without being explicitly effeminate. Also, had he grown up to be an IG muscle slut, he would be insufferable, but he’s a former fatty, so he’s kinda nervous about life. It’s a fine line, but endearing.

Joel was triggered to lose weight when someone commented on YT that Joel was a plumpkin.

[quote]I think Joel works for me because he’s genuinely attractive in the face, but also completely posh without being explicitly effeminate

Excellent summation.

I think that's why he appeals to me. He has a good speaking voice and NOT affected. Unusual for English bloggers. They're usually common.

Lia's accent is a little rough around the edges, but quite good.

[quote]More like a younger British Joel McHale.

Yes!

BUT...still no one has anything to say about the video.

Just "Joel is this" - "Lia is that!!"

The video is anti-Semitic!

Are Joel and Lia always this relentlessly chipper and happy?

I hope not. I think they'd be exhausting to know in real life.

Also, are they together? Is he gay? Is she his hag?

What's the story?

He is a closeted gay guy, and she is his BFF.

The video of Lia having her bag stolen out from under her while checking in at a hotel in Paris was quite something!

[quote]The video of Lia having her bag stolen out from under her while checking in at a hotel in Paris was quite something!

Yes, it was. I think their fans sent in the money for a new computer.

[quote]He is a closeted gay guy, and she is his BFF.

Who obviously have a great rapport that people have picked up on.

[quote]Are Joel and Lia always this relentlessly chipper and happy?

By and large, apart from the Paris fiasco.

The video was great until Joel started shouting racist slurs at the Pakistani cab driver.

In this Christmas video, at 1:15, he indicates that the best thing about Christmas lights is driving around and judging other people's tastes based on people's light displays. He says he does it with his family. I'm sure he would be appalled at the lights at the Barker-Finch home. He is Sheridan.

Sheridan & Lia...

So he is a judgmental whore, I see.

Are those _glass_ wineglasses???

In a discussion of British cultural traits, perhaps as contrasting American ones, she expressed complete horror at the idea that a total stranger would ever dare to strike up a conversation with her: Just. Not. On!

[quote]In a discussion of British cultural traits, perhaps as contrasting American ones, she expressed complete horror at the idea that a total stranger would ever dare to strike up a conversation with her: Just. Not. On!

He also said he didn't like the American spontaneous friendliness of strangers.

"Hi! We're Joel and Lia! We're super-friendly! Just don't talk to us if we don't know you!"

[quote] driving around and judging other people's tastes based on people's light displays.

LOL

The video of him drunk where he's holding a homeless man's arms whilst Lia beats him up, is priceless.

The one where he butt raped Lia was a little bit close to the edge. They took it off, I think. Didn't appeal to their demographic.

you gurls have been leaving nasty messages. Joel & Lia are onto you!

Actually it is hysterical what they say about the way Americans pronounce "buoy"

Fuck Joel & Lia. Typical YouTube scammers soliciting donations, letting their followers pay for shit like new computers and getting PR packages. Tedious.

R76 =>

and BTW, R76, if you want to buy a J&L triggered hoodie, here's the link.

And yet you are shilling for them OP. F&Fed and blocked.

Actually, I'm laughing at them you moron, but you're too dumb to see irony. You're pathetic.

OP Thank you for posting that, I enjoyed it since I will never get there to see it in person.

r72 and r73, those were part of their RADA reels.

Joel's actor resumé

bottom right

{quote]Perform nude?tNo

I'll try again

Joel's actor resumé

bottom right:

[bold]Perform nude? No[/bold]

Joel's acting show reel >

Lia's in the first scene. She's REALLY improved her look since then.

Joel's very good looking. Not surprised he's an actor, he seemed awfully comfortable on camera in their videos.

Now what's the story? Is he gay? is he with Lia? Is she a fag hag? What?

He's too pretty for me, but I can see why he's so desired. He appears to be a closet case. Lia is his BFF (hag). They announced they will be best man/woman at each other's wedding.

That's funny, they're joking about the way Americans say Parmi-jarn & 5:20

sorry @ 5:20

These are the most boring vloggers ever. Who could possibly care about them enough to shill for them?

I feel guilty about my post @ R80 - that idiot aka R79 triggered me.

I love Joel & Lia.

Though I can see both sides of the coin.

[quote]These are the most boring vloggers ever. Who could possibly care about them enough to shill for them?

If I was shilling Joel & Lia, DL is the last place I'd come to.

I just happen to like them.

R88

What you called joking about American pronunciation I take as condescending.

OP = Joel and Lia Shilly McShillfordson

r83 that means he has tinydick

Joel & Lia CONTROVERSY!

[quote]Youtube stars Joel and Lia apologise after being accused of ‘racism’ for video on London’s ‘most dangerous areas

[quote]This week, they uploaded a video called ‘Which Areas Of London Are Dangerous’, which caused quite a stir online with some controversial comments. The video saw them claim that they felt scared while walking through Whitechapel but soon “realised” that the residents who wear head scarves are “just normal people” – adding that they”never feel safe in Manor House or Finsbury Park” and “get panicky” travelling past Wood Green. The video was soon deleted after a backlash, due to the cultural background of many of the areas that they highlighted.

I’ve lived in London most of my life and I don’t know anyone who goes to Harrods. It’s so tacky. I think the people who actually shop there now are mostly the rich Russian/Arab wives who never venture out of Knightsbridge so for them Harrods is just where they get everything. Tourists go there just so they’ve seen it. I took an aunt there when she visited a few years ago, because she wanted to see it. It’s that kind of place.

Lia had a nose job this year.

They shaved it like a gyro.

[quote]Lia had a nose job this year.

Many people round here seem to know so much about Joel & Lia. They follow their every move.

Joel is quite the queen. Is he open about it?

He's clearly gay.

[quote]Joel is quite the queen. Is he open about it?

Why are some people turning up from the middle of nowhere and asking questions that have already been answered?

[quote]I’ve lived in London most of my life and I don’t know anyone who goes to Harrods. It’s so tacky.

Their latest video they go to ASDA.

May be more your style.

Lia is also a talented singer.

And BOY does she look different. This was just 3 years ago!

I don't see any change to her nose.

The bump is gone that is still in the video @ r104, it is straight. and the tip is tilted up.

She went from looking like a Greek immigrant who digs seasonal potatoes to looking proper English.

When I'm in the UK, specifically London, strangers start conversations all the time.

You probably have a friendly face, R107...and are very cute.

I could only get through 1/2 way through their mean comments video- one great big meh. I didn't even want to watch their Harrod's video, as I don't want them to spoil my visit to Harrod's at holiday time.

r56, can you give an example of an affected sounding English blogger.?

What is BME?

The idea to do that dangerous neighborhoods video was pretty stupid. Neither one of them know London well enough to say which neighborhoods are dangerous or not (and why).

That said, I don't feel for a minute that they are racist.

Then why were they filmed shouting the "n" word at those African polo players?

As Londoners, Joel & Lia are required to pretend that there are no unsafe areas in London. They broke the rules by stating otherwise.

I hope we have gotten that far in America and can still help visitors by warning them where the unsafe areas are in our own city.

How can you tell if a guy is gay or just English? The posh English accent messes with the gaydar.

The Christmas series should be renamed Joel's Mary(!) Christmas.

r113 Yes i know the "is he gay or just british" is funny but you'd have to be deaf, dumb, blind not to tell with this guy.

Wait! Is Joel gay?

[quote]As Londoners, Joel & Lia are required to pretend that there are no unsafe areas in London. They broke the rules by stating otherwise.

Right, and immediately get called RACISTS.

The horrified twitter reaction that made them delete the video.

[quote]From what I’ve gathered their views seem to be based on their upbringing (middle class, mainly white community, outside of London),” wrote one viewer on Twitter. “It’s a shame because they really don’t realise that they’re coming of incredibly racist/classist.”

in other words:

How dare these WHITE MIDDLE-CLASS people express their views!

Looks like Kellan from Corbin FIsher.

The thing is I have seen several episodes and he has never once, unless I missed it, explicitly came out as gay. It was always treated as the elephant in that room.

No, they've spoken about online dating and he's said he doesn't like it. I don't see why people like J&L would need to "online date".

here it is

"Joel doesn't like dating...he's too lazy to go on the app." @ 2:26

I think I've seen him on BBrt.

a few gurls are going off on Joel under that vid.

[quote]Just started watching before they tell if they are dating I predict no cause Joel is gay.

[quote] Rykken Beck 6 months ago He’s totally gaaay!!!!

[quote]Joel, mate …you’re a hot mess! I had no idea. You’ve just have to try a TINY bit. I’ve been on a million bad dates (or I wasn't interested). Bad dates can be fun – they’re learning experiences.

Joel responds:

[quote]hahaha! Uuuurrrgh I just haaaaate it!

[quote]Joel is quite the queen. Is he open about it?

Judging from the IG photo below, hiding in plain sight.

Did Joel graduate from McGill and move to London after his fabulous visit to NYC?

Does he have an uncle? Who lives with his mother? And has a dog named Mitzi?

If so, I'm disappointed. I've never seen pix of Joel before and frankly, I was expecting more, or at least a bit more butch.

Unkie's been lying to us...

I haven't been there in years, and I didn't waste 13-plus minutes of my life watching the entire clip, but is the Paris Ritz wineglass with Diana's DNA on it still enshrined on display in the basement? If so, I'm surprised they didn't mention it - it was the one of the tackiest things I saw there.

Both have pretty non-U accents, too. Not posh at all: downmarket.

They posted a cute Christmas Tea on a London Bus.

Like them both and wish them well in You Tube grifter heaven.

I like them too. It reaches a point on DL when no one dares have an opinion different from the everyone else or you'll be attacked.

And so what if they get sponsor money, you don’t have to pay to watch their clips.

He’ll sort out the closet when he's ready.

OP is a poster on the Meghan Markle psycho threads. Avoid.

R129 = Starts anti-Obama threads and accuses people of all sorts of rubbish all over DL. General trouble maker.

Lia looks like Nanette Newman.

Is Joel one of those homosexualists?

Which one of you bitches has been leaving nasty messages under Joel & Lia's videos?

Well, I subscribe to their YT channel, and I think they're fun. I especially enjoyed some of their clips when they visited the US. especially a disastrous trip to a White Castle in New Jersey and a mortifying Greyhound Bus ride in Texas.

Joel has been getting a bit looser with his IG stories (talking about a “big strong man” to help carry his packages) and his likes (several muscle fitness and gay muscle dudes over the last week). I don’t think he’s planning to remain closeted for long. But I invite you all to follow him and decide for yourself.

These two have always rubbed me the wrong way. I think as an American their britishisms come of whiny and complainy. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say it's a cultural issue.

Joel is so HOT, I'd even put up with Lia, to get with him. He is my perfect guy, posh and British.

Joel is fooling no one, he needs to just come out already and be done with it.

He’s been losing weight and keeping it off. Someone commented on one of his pics that he was almost thin enough for WeHo and he commented back something cute. He knows that everyone knows he’s gay. He’s trying to get a man, just like the rest of us.

Some people don't need to come out, we know.

When I was at Harrods around Christmas I looked for that sweet doorman in the video but he must have been off-duty. And they were out of Prosecco wine gums, dammit. They did have Champagne Bears, though.

Did anyone actually watch the video I linked? some bitch saying they're rich cons that Lia's BF drives a Rolls Royce and they use the money the viewers send in to live the high life...something like that, but WORSE. Watch it for yourselves.

[quote]Joel has been getting a bit looser with his IG stories (talking about a “big strong man” to help carry his packages) and his likes (several muscle fitness and gay muscle dudes over the last week).

Interesting.

and excellent detective work.

[quote]I don’t think he’s planning to remain closeted for long. But I invite you all to follow him and decide for yourself.

I think there's going to be a coming out video at some point.

He's gone blonde.

He needs a MAN.

Lia dates a guy who WORKS for RR.

Any pics of Lia's BF?

Joel is yummy.

Joel's pissed off.

He calls himself an"influencer".

[quote]As if brands STILL don’t understand how to work with influencers 🤦🏻‍♂️ when will they understand that DISCOUNTS are not a form a payment 🤨

[quote]Any pics of Lia's BF?

Yes.

The BF's rather "DL hawt" in fact.

Haha, they said "dope new threads" in that message to Joel. Clearly he was offended!

Lia and her BF went on vacay together. He has a "DL hawt" body

Meh, his body's okay.

Lia's looking a bit hefty. Methinks she partook too much of the wedding cake.

The BF's apparently Greek. He looks more Arab to me.

A Greek guy, I went to high school with, had a similar look.

Joel is so cute, but he's admitted he's rather gassy. I don't know what I would do with a farting boyfriend.

r157 i’ve put up with worse from guys who didn’t have hairy legs and a great smile like joel’s.

Ew, do you think he's farting in the pool in that photo?

No wonder Lia lost weight so quickly. Her man is fit.

[quote]Some people don't need to come out, we know.

Gays might know. Fangurls...do not.

I just started watching their YT videos and I find them both really charming. Joel is naturally very attractive (inside and out) and I'm usually not that interested in British guys. I hope he finds a kind and generous partner (boyfriend!) who treats him well.

This is past "DL Hawt." Just hot.

[quote]I just started watching their YT videos and I find them both really charming.

Funny. I'm starting to find them annoying and forced. I think they're getting fed up with the whole thing. They're putting out much fewer videos.

Also, they go to fucking Paris and all we see is them eating in some cafe. They went to Austin TX and all they did was try out fast food places and I think they went to a supermarket or something.

OMG! They went to CVS!

Dear Lord in Heaven!

their trip to Walmart was solid gold.

What was so great about it?

r168 Joel for one, their candid snap in the hunting aisle for two.

They're such plebs, they never rent a car or stay in hotels when they go to America, just stay in Airbnbs and take Ubers. It's depressing.

They went to New York and stayed in an Airbnb in New fucking Jersey.

I like Lia, but I don't understand how she landed that hot piece of ass. She doesn't seem like the type to attract men who are obsessed with fitness.

From her vlogs, he doesn't come across as overly kind to her or amused by her cute personality. It almost seems like their relationship was arranged.

Joel is aging fast. Do Brits not keep long?

r173 no. Once they hit 30, it's all downhill from there.

Funny, you Americans sneering at British looks - at the end of that Joel & Lia Walmart video @ R169 they're in the parking lot and all the people walking behind them are obese. It looks like people another planet. Gorgeous race!

But do continue with your bullshit, if it makes you feel better.

** sorry, FROM another planet.

r175 haha, you fucked up your American-bashing insult.

Americas The Beautiful.

Sorry, America The Beautiful.

NOT Americas.

What were you stylish gorgeous Americans saying about the British exactly?

Seriously, we can always post Geordie Shore pictures if you want to compare trash. Let's just agree that both countries are dumpster fires at the moment.

[quote]Let's just agree that both countries are dumpster fires at the moment.

No, we're a LOOOONG way behind America when it comes to gross looking people.

And I love the way Americans sneer at our food - land of chemicals and preservatives.

r182 oh please, there's plenty of fat assholes in the UK too, and we have 400 million people here vs your 40 million.

[quote] there's plenty of fat assholes in the UK too

NOTHING like in America.

[quote][R173] no. Once they hit 30, it's all downhill from there.

Americans age so well.

Well, the US is a _bit_ more prosperous and has cheaper and more readily-available food. In fact, California's GDP is higher than the UK's, even though the UK has 25 million more people in it.

You would think that the massive amounts of alcohol that Brits consume would better preserve them.

DLers always comment on other people "aging poorly". I wouldn't be surprised if most of you didn't own a mirror. And yes, /everyone/ knows how old and open (physically, as in your asshole) you are.

White people who don't protect their skin usually age poorly.

Joel needs to get those baby warts removed from his nose. He will be unwatchable in a few years or be relegated to Macbeth.

[quote]From her vlogs, he doesn't come across as overly kind to her or amused by her cute personality. It almost seems like their relationship was arranged.

She moved WAY out of London to be with him. I think he got a job transfer.

Joel must really miss her.

Someone (me) @ R21 said his father looked gay as well - and Joel removed the pic from his Insta. Proof he's been reading this thread.

And yes, you can be sure Joel gets Google Alerts.

I'm assuming that Joel is evasive about declaring his sexual orientation because of his acting aspirations. We've come a long way in terms of visibility, but out actors are still vulnerable to being typecast or pigeonholed in certain roles and completely excluded from others.

I want to call her Lia Hotpockets.

I don't think he's had much work as an actor.

He does voice-overs for commercials though.

She fancies herself as a comedienne. Her comedy sketches are pitiful.

The closely cropped hair makes Joel less attractive, but certainly not more butch.

He dyed it blonde and had dark roots so he cut it off. The blonde didn't suit him.

i don't think they really got Las Vegas, maybe something was lost in translation. Going to bed at 10p.m, bitching about the heat, very little gambling, going to Fremont street during the day.

I think he's handsome with almost any hairstyle, but the shaved/cropped hair has not been his best look and I gather that he's not entirely fond of it either. He did it to rid himself of the blonde without having to endure the awkward two-toned color as he waits for his natural brown to grow out.

They're terrible travellers. They haven't got a clue.

Yes, the blonde was awful. He needs to seek advice before making such mistakes. He definitely cares what others think, since he was inspired to lose weight when someone left a comment calling him a "plumpkin". He actually looked better as the plumpkin, because his aging face looks too gaunt.

Don't all bottoms go blond at some point?

Looks like he's getting an acne situation happening (go to 00:41).

Lia's also been having terrible skin problems and has to wear heavy makeup.

Lia's skin.

They go from one junk food place to another

SO interesting, Joel & Lia go to BRITISH Five Guys!

On a positive note, Joel does sound good in his voice-over work.

Joel probably wishes he could do five guys.

I appreciate their candor. They both are pretty naked with their feelings at times. There was a cute video where Joel was showing off his new car and he was just sitting in outside of his apartment wanting to go somewhere and share the experience with someone but casually chalked it up to not having anyone to share it with. It's those kind of real and endearing moments that make them a bit better than most thirsty, image conscious YouTubers.

I agree, R209 and I love the way he says "There's that woman coming out, she probably thinks I'm really weird".

He has a very nice voice.

In a way he's more REAL on his solo VLOG channel, away from Lia and all the giggling.

Joel and Lia are cute together just engaging in banter and being silly as themselves. They're not as cute when they play the role of wide-eyed Brits marveling at pedestrian American shit.

They got freaked out by earthquakes.

They are so dumb you'd think they'd make good pets, but of course they wouldn't.

[quote]I loathe those two. They think they're sophisticated; they're not!

LOL @ R39

What makes you think that? - all those visits to fast food places, I guess.

Hahah, they wanted to leave the country because of the earthquake. That's cute...

Why get so dramatic about an earthquake? I'd be thrilled if i went to California and got to get the full cali experience with an earthquake.

I must watch them being dramatic about the earthquake.

[quote]They're not as cute when they play the role of wide-eyed Brits marveling at pedestrian American shit.

That's what Brits love about America, proven by whey they sell in the American sections of Tesco.

[quote]proven by whey they sell

I keep blundering.

[quote]Geordie Shore

WHEY AYE, ME EYE MUN!

Devin Nunez is whole pile of shit.

wow, DL posts are bouncing around threads. r233 is from the Official Viewing thread of the Intel committee.

It's annoying when they go on and on about something that they actually have gotten wrong about America. For example, they were amazed to see all kinds of convenience items at CVS because they said it was inside a "pharmacy". Viewers had to correct them and tell them that the pharmacy is within the store, but the whole store is not a pharmacy. It's a convenience store with an attached pharmacy. They don't stock candy and soda pop within the pharmacy.

r225 Interesting question, do they not have pharmacies attached to their ASDA's or whatever they have in Britain

I've gathered from some of Joel's vlog comments that he might be kind of religious (talks about going to church regularly, he listens to Christian pop music, etc.). I wonder if that's why discussing his sexuality or anything related to it is such a third rail?

Joel is so gay.

Lia is featuring her BF more and more on HER channel. He clearly wants to be a YouTube star as well...or rather "influencer" as they're now called.

Meanwhile, Joel is making "baking" videos.

[quote] he listens to Christian pop music

Whoa! I didn't know this at all.

They don't seem to go to pop concerts or anything like that. No real references to pop culture. Or am I wrong?

Even though he's clearly gay as a goose, Joel should take one "for the team" and marry Lia. They make for such a cute couple!

Thanks for posting this, OP. I find Joel quite lovely, he resembles actor Dylan O’ Brien.

They make a cute couple...of friends!

I'm glad they keep reiterating that on their various channels, but I'm sure it's confusing to the clueless who don't see what's patently obvious, that Joel is gay.

They're a pair of narcissists, who aren't nearly as sophisticated as they believe themselves to be.

Right, they think they're so sophisticated - they go to America and all they do is go to CVS and some freaky "heart attack grill".

r231, I don't know how zealous of a fan he is Christian music in general, but he was talking about going to see a one of his favorite singers named Lauren Daigle with his mom. I had to look this person up (I'm neither Christian, nor religious) and it turns out she's a millennial Christian music artist. Maybe my assumptions are faulty, but I assume anyone who listens to Christian music (pop or otherwise) is probably religious. Perhaps it's different in the UK?

[quote]Maybe my assumptions are faulty, but I assume anyone who listens to Christian music (pop or otherwise) is probably religious. Perhaps it's different in the UK?

All stuff like that is far less heavy duty than in the USA. Still, sounds like an odd choice. I guess it's sort of odd that they never usually refer to pop culture at all, not from what I've seen. They only really seem to be into food.

Joel & Lia

Fag'nHag

Lier & Ach

Pussy & Furball

Ach & Joel

Passive Top & Bossy Bottom

Joel posted another baking video, but he looks cute in it and it's loaded with lots of unintended(?) innuendo:

Did he spend his entire time in L. A. in a sling???

The warts on the tip of his nose are a growing distraction.

I don't think Joel & Lia think of themselves as sophisticated. I personally haven't seem them do anything "sophisticated" on their channel. They seem too goofy (in a good way).

They don't seem very smart when they answer questions about American history and geography.

It turns out that one of his brothers is gay and has a boyfriend (who are both featured in his current vlog along with his parents), so obviously the family isn't homophobic.

Or they aren't homophobic on camera...

I'll bet some of that is acting, R244. The video would be dull if they answered each question correctly. I'm sure sometimes they give a really dumb answer to get a reaction out of viewers.

[quote]It turns out that one of his brothers is gay and has a boyfriend (who are both featured in his current vlog along with his parents), so obviously the family isn't homophobic.

Thanks for the link.

Go to 29:53 - he films the most delightful walk around the English countryside in the sunshine.

r248, see r240

R249, That makes me want to move to England.

His video making strawberry cheese cake has him getting covered in cream from his mixer and then he bounces his crotch close to the camera to show how "dirty" he is.

Cheeky little tease he is.

Lia has a birthday video where she hides Ach's keys and he spends some time rubbing his thighs and ass looking for them in his pockets. Seriously rubbing.

I enjoy them. He's cute and she's the perfect gal/pal.

Why did I see him doing a Muttley snicker when Lea's bag was stolen in Paris?

When they went back to Paris they went back to that hotel and re-introduced themselves to the concierge and reminded him of who they and were all giggly with him. I was thinking what was so fucking funny? Then I THINK the concierge said (don't quote me on this) the thief had been back & I was thinking why didn't they fucking arrest him?

*giggle giggle giggle*

Their next video should be, "Brits try an American double-headed dildo".

This is their latest.

Their reaction to their LA Airbnb...giggle. giggle...

They took a Greyhound bus in Texas and were (justifiably) horrified.

I love their "fans" who meet them off the plane when they go to America.

One gave Joel a six pack of sodas - that's EXACTLY what you want when you've a ton of luggage to schlepp. Joel just dropped it on the floor, and was like "fuck that shit" when he went into one of their Airbnbs.

Are all buses in America this bad? Does nobody use public transit over there?

R261, It's America, so public transport is pretty horrible, most of the time. Greyhound buses aren't public: they're for profit (like almost everything in the US). Then again, most of the time, you can ride one without an atrocity occurring.

Lia's IG story today immediately post getting shit on by a bird was hilarious. She really is a riot. All kidding aside, they're both charming as hell.

[quote] immediately post getting shit on by a bird

Whaat?

& thanks for the link.

See link below for her Instagram. Hopefully, the stories are still there and haven't expired (you can't view an IG story unless you're signed into IG):

Her "DL hawt" BF now has his own IG.

Lia is a close to a straight woman as I could imagine befriending. She's quite lovely, and very nice,

I found her thorough revulsion at the idea that a stranger dared to strike up conversation once with her completely off-putting. Yuk!

No, it was Joel who said he didn't like chatting with strangers.

Which is weird when you consider their whole YT existence is chatting with strangers - their viewers.

Also, if they chatted with people more when they run around, their videos would be much more interesting.

Lia does in fact chat with people (about America) on the street and stuff, on her own channel.

Are you sure it wasn't that Leah was repulsed at the idea of strangers, and Joel chimed in enthusiasticly that he was even more so at the prospect? I don't think going out and interviewing people on the street for your blog proactively is the same thing. She doesn't like strangers approaching her while waiting for a bus, etc. 'How dare they!'

I can't take them seriously with their whole british vs. American formulaic crap they're using to click bait their way to success.

what’s to be taken seriously?

R272 thigh verificatia?

r273 i’m too lazy to go dig up the episode, but they were in a rented townhouse in New Jersey, complaining about the heat and marveling at A/C.

the image of Joel repeatedly hiking up those hairy legs to adjust his shorts is ingrained indelibly in my mind, for all the wrong reasons.

[quote]Are all buses in America this bad?

Only poor and/or mentally ill people ride buses and that makes normal people use air transportation for long distance and taxis for short distance.

r274, this isn't the vlog you were referring to, but this older one has got some of their greatest hits all in one: Joel's legs on display (and in a robe), Joel farting, them being annoyed by a stranger striking up a random conversation with them, Lia being cheeky, food, food, and more food, etc.. All very cute.

R275 - and for distances in between, we drive, as we do for short distances outside of big cities. Americans drive almost everywhere. Indeed, even on long-distance journeys, the road trip is an American tradition. People also take the train within the densely populated Northeast Corridor (Washington to Boston).

R261, to be clear: Greyhound is a long-distance bus company, not a local city bus company. People do ride city buses in some big cities, on certain routes. Non-poor people use the bus in Manhattan and Philadelphia, for example, but only on a few routes; they may do so in other big Eastern cities, too. There are also express commuter buses that are common in the NY area. Those are OK.

Otherwise, as R275 says, no American who owns a car or can afford to rent one or who can afford airfare would take a long-distance bus between two cities. I don't think the possibility would even occur to most of us.

The Northeast is not like the rest of the country.

[quote][R274], this isn't the vlog you were referring to, but this older one has got some of their greatest hits all in one: Joel's legs on display (and in a robe), Joel farting, them being annoyed by a stranger striking up a random conversation with them, Lia being cheeky, food, food, and more food, etc.. All very cute.

That's a good one, R276. They film London well. It would be interesting viewing for anyone who's interested in London. BUT, my God...the food! Ice-cream, then "cream tea" = scones with jam & clotted cream & tea, then onto a place to eat fondue...

According to my experience, many wealthy people take public transportation if it is clean and more convenient. Sometimes traffic in major cities is just too much and people opt for other options like subways or buses.

You know who Lia reminds me of? Vanessa from Six Feet Under...except Vanessa's American so you have that TEETH thing going on.

This has got to be my favorite Joel & Lia video since it's them dialed up to max "Joel & Lia". Joel has got a bit of his swish on, which makes him even more attractive:

I wish we had something like Harrods here in the states. The closest thing we have to Harrods in upstate New York is Wegmans. And that's saying a lot.

Also how is Whitechapel still an unsafe area in London? Is Jack The Ripper still killing prostitutes every night there?

I wish we had something like Harrods here in the states. The closest thing we have to Harrods in upstate New York is Wegmans. And that's saying a lot.

Also how is Whitechapel still an unsafe area in London? Is Jack The Ripper still killing prostitutes every night there?

There's Saks Fifth Avenue, Bergdorf Goodman and Barney's in NYC. I believe a Neiman Marcus has opened in the Hudson Yards area.

[quote]There's Saks Fifth Avenue, Bergdorf Goodman and Barney's in NYC. I believe a Neiman Marcus has opened in the Hudson Yards area.

They're nothing like Harrods.

Maybe the building itself is very grand. I don't know. I've never been. Suzy Gershman wasn't that impressed with the merchandise at Harrod's because it tries to be all things to all people. She preferred Harvey Nichols. She did like the food halls though.

Macy's is probably the closest thing to Harrods.

There's a whole retro thread on this subject.

[quote]This has got to be my favorite Joel & Lia video since it's them dialed up to max "Joel & Lia". Joel has got a bit of his swish on, which makes him even more attractive:

R282 - I think Joel was happier then, before Lia found her BF. They were much more giggly.

Bergdorf's is pretty grand and glamorous, starting at the 5 minute mark, though smaller and without food halls.

r290, there's probably truth to that. When your close friends partner up and you're still single, it does change the dynamic some and in Joel's case, Lia not only got a BF she also moved away.

When they went to LA, I [bold]totally knew[/bold] this would happen.

They almost cut their L.A. visit short because of the earthquake that happened when they arrived. I'm glad they stuck it out.

I'd love to see Joel stick it out.

I got fed up with them always eating food and stopped following them. Now they have a minor following here on DL I find myself watching them again.

They admit in that video that food is the thing they majorly have in common, I guess they think everyone else must be just as interested.

I'm really enjoying their vlogs (together and individually), their sit down videos where they ask each other questions from 'The Book of Questions', and I enjoy some of their live streams, but the American vs. British videos are my least favorite (basic and boring). I'm glad they also avoid some YouTube cliches, like dopey challenges, although I just watched a vlog where they ate Girl Scout cookies for 24 hours while in Texas. That was a clever on paper idea, but kind of cringe to watch. I can't believe they included this bit, although I do have to hand it to them, they're certainly not shy around each other and the camera when it comes to sharing their bodily functions (save for sex and sexuality):

When does Joel come out of the closet, who gives a shit about their clickbait videos.

R297 the Book of Questions was written by a Christian pastor!!!!!!🙀

Lia was feeling all lonely and alone...so this is how she dealt with it. Love the talk with the Chinese delivery guy "What? Deliver-LOO??"

Lia's cute and real. I enjoy her. I also didn't realize that she's a really good singer (at least she was back when she had her old nose):

Joel made Lia a chocolate B'day cake!

I agree. She's a good singer, but I hate that sort of vagina music.

Joel's solo channel has subscribers [bold]12,544 subscribers[/bold]

&

Lia's has[bold]18,664 subscribers[/bold]

Not that it’s a competition between the two, but Lia has had her channel quite a bit longer.

Also, Lia is willing to share more about her personal life. R306

r307, all it takes is pictures.

She is Greek. She fucks a, handsome, Greek fur ball.

She has lovely child bearing hips. She will be the mother of Greek fur balls.

Waiting for My Big Fat Hirsute Greek Wedding.

My favorite part is the shaving of the groom's ass.

Once Joel "shares" a little more - his subscriber numbers will explode.

How old is Lia? Joel, I know, is 27.

r309, an anal bleaching video would put him through the roof!

Maybe you could do it for him, R311.

I'd hop on a plane for that!

r311

I doubt Joel will ever be an open book in terms of his romantic life. He’s obviously very private and emotionally guarded in that respect. He admitted in the video below that he’s not all that interested in dating or romance and prefers to be single (and perhaps celibate). Whether that’s a byproduct of not being entirely comfortable with his sexual orientation or just because that’s an aspect of his life he simple doesn’t want to share, remains a mystery. He and Lia definitely make an effort to avoid use of pronouns when it comes to his interests. Although, she does make a few comments that makes it sound like she was setting him up with females in this video, but it’s essentially an ad so who knows if any of it was true:

[quote]I doubt Joel will ever be an open book in terms of his romantic life. He’s obviously very private and emotionally guarded in that respect.

A lot of gay VLOGGERS are and then, the big reveal videos - "Hey, guys...there's something I want to tell you".

He genuinely doesn’t seem like he’s withholding for future clickbait, but who knows! I doubt he’s asexual, but if he were totally straight there would be no need to play the pronoun game so I’m sure he’s at least bi.

All British men present as gay.

I listen to Idris Elba and I know he wants to fuck me.

Joel, same.

Maybe he would have more subscribers if he was open and honest with us instead of hiding like a bitch.

Joel's falling in love with strangers on The Tube.

[quote]Does anyone else fall in love with strangers on public transport and imagine your life together and then they get off at West Brompton and you never see them again?

PLUS this gif.

I think he needs to take up that that anal bleaching offer - FAST.

if joel would rectify that ghastly dye job i’d be delighted to show him around the states he hasn’t yet visited. physical, metaphysical or both.

[quote]if joel would rectify that ghastly dye job i’d be delighted to show him around the states he hasn’t yet visited.

Why do you want him to look like that for this grand tour? Bleached hair, bleached anus - he'll go down a bomb in Alabama.

[quote]Does anyone else fall in love with strangers on public transport and imagine your life together and then they get off at West Brompton and you never see them again?

Shows he's not as ASEXUAL and addicted to isolation as he wants you to think. I never thought he was anyway. Joel's on the lookout.

Not everyone is looking to partner up or needs that to have a fulfilling life, but it's a somewhat bleak thought that a kind, clever, and attractive guy like Joel may be hiding himself away from others emotionally out of a fear of intimacy or rejection. I hope he finds whatever he's on the lookout for.

& once he finds it, he posts about it, so we can "comment".

Do we know anything about Joel's other friends? Does he have a 2nd best friend?

I believe it is a large dildo he calls Freddy Lowtower.

[quote]Do we know anything about Joel's other friends? Does he have a 2nd best friend?

He knows a few rather dreary gurls who appear from time to time.

He appears to be a f a g with many hags.

They're not even fag hags - just very dull gurls. He's not going to meet his BF thru them.

I wonder if Joel finds the speculation about his sexuality invasive or does he enjoy it for the clickbait-y element of keeping people guessing? There's no shortage of chatter about it in their comments sections, so he clearly sees it regularly. Not that he is under any obligation to clear up the confusion as it's really none of our business (except on DL where everything is our business), but he certainly doesn't do much to put the kibosh on it. He gets cheeky and coy about the possibility that he and Lia could have been a couple if they weren't so much like brother and sister and that guys and girls can JUST be friends and Joel is not Lia's type, etc., blah, blah. Basically, everything but "I'm gay man and she's a straight woman so there's obviously no chance for anything more than friendship." Unless he's actually bisexual or even more far-fetched...straight?!

r300 There's no confusion, it's plain as day to anyone with eyes and ears.

As of a year ago, this topic would have been very triggering for him:

OMG - that's quite a link, R332. Well found.

And I think Joel's gay fan is right in MANY ways.

He obviously doesn't get that incensed about being labeled (or mislabeled) as straight which happens often, it was being identified as gay that inspired that reaction. Kind of a double standard. Granted, I don't think Joel is doing any harm by keeping his private life private as the original comment suggested, but his reaction to it was disappointing and somewhat homophobic even if he is gay, bi, or questioning.

The gay fan had every right to post him that message. If Joel wants to be in the closet he shouldn't do videos about "dating" and talk about himself and dating and not expect people to quiz him. He's always talking about himself and his life in great detail - yet he thinks he doesn't need to not talk about whether he likes guys or gurls, even though he just a few days ago posts a tweet like this:

[quote]Does anyone else fall in love with strangers on public transport and imagine your life together and then they get off at West Brompton and you never see them again?

Joel's just put out a great video - he goes to a British Agricultural Show - it's SO ENGLISH and he films it so well.

Starts @ 03:30

Also Joel's brother and his BF appear.

He's got a really nice family and his mother especially seems lovely.

Joel didn't warn about the dangers of foot-and-mouth disease.

Joel's solo VLOGs get better and better.

He went on the Harry Potter tour in England and it's pretty excellent and I'm not even an HP fan.

I appreciate how honest he is with certain aspects of his life. In his last vlog he spoke candidly about dealing issues of body dysmorphia, which I think may be one of the reasons he's evasive about discussing or getting involved in romantic relationships, but I could be way wrong. Either way, he's enjoyable to watch.

It appears he has let bottom shaming get the best of him.

He needs to do a Calabria with Davey Wavey.

I don't understand a word of R343's post.

What's a Calabria? Is that a make of double-ended dildo?

Calabria is a region in Southern Italy, so that doesn't really make sense. Could it be DL-speak for a collaboration?

I posted a lovely link to a lovely tour of Harry Potterland - came back to see the response and it's all double-ended dildos and Calabria.

It is YouTube slang for collaboration, a skip from collab to Calabria.

However you want to think of it, Wavey needs to meet Wood.

I was hoping it meant Dante Calabria, circa 1996.

My favorite part from the new vlog was when one of the wondering docents pushed Joel down on the Harry Potter bed, pulled his trousers off, lifted his nice hairy legs over his head and started tonguing his bumhole.

Who's Davey Wavey?

[quote]It is YouTube slang for collaboration, a skip from collab to Calabria. However you want to think of it, Wavey needs to meet Wood.

Are you new to The J&L DL fan page? Usually people on here don't talk such strange lingo. We're pretty normal.

Sexual innuendos about Joel, sure...flying to England to bleach his hole and such...but not all that freaky talk.

I don't think we need to push Joel into DaveyWavey territory (gross).

Lia hates living in some provincial shithole and misses London...I could have told you that, gurl.

She went there just to be the with BF clearly. I think the BF got a job down there...in Chichester. One and a half hours from London (& from Joel).

I agree, r353. At least she's honest about it though and not trying to put a phony positive spin on it. Say what you will about Joel and Lia, but they're both really genuine and wear their hearts on their sleeves about most things, that's why they're so likable individually and together. I enjoy Lia's vlogs just as much as Joel's.

& I agree with you R354 - they're pretty REAL and truthful, it's what makes their videos and VLOGS so watchable.

It's a bit of an ongoing Soap Opera.

If I ran a TV company I'd employ them STAT. One of those newsy magazine shows. "London Tonight" kinda thing. Or a daytime show.

Lee-er is a typical foreign born Greek.

She is subservient to her mission to pop out as many hirsute little Greeks as possible.

We have all seen her voluptuous child bearing hips in a bikini.

She has to go where the Greek cock blossoms...

Just out!

J&L go to Venice Beach (didn't see no homeless & poop that they talked a lot about on DL some time back)

Public defecation is wildly exaggerated on DL, at least in regard to LA. San Francisco on the other hand...

Too bad they didn't get to see any eye candy while in Venice. I'll bet Joel was especially disappointed by the lack of muscles at Muscle Beach.

[quote] I'll bet Joel was especially disappointed by the lack of muscles at Muscle Beach.

Yes, he said so.

Joel! Call me!

Didn't like this week's Joel VLOG very much.

Too much gym and diet and health and cooking...and his new best gurlfriend, Vero (who's all AMERICAN TEETH and not much else, quite frankly).

And gee, he's promised to VLOG all about his weight and workouts and shit - so that's something to look forward to.

Joe is best when he's with Lia r361.

And who is this VERO bitch?

Lia's fucked off to Chichester with her "DL hawt" BF - Vero's his new bestie.

Vero seems sweet. With Lia out in bumfuck, it's healthy that he's forming new and more geographically desirable friendships. I still don't quite get the church business, but different strokes.

Pity she didn't move to Chiswick...

[quote]I still don't quite get the church business, but different strokes.

He was too frightened to go in? What did he think was going to happen?

Also, remember going to church in England doesn't have the same connotations that it might have in The USA.

[quote]Pity she didn't move to Chiswick...

LOL. Why Chiswick?

[quote]Vero seems sweet. With Lia out in bumfuck, it's healthy that he's forming new and more geographically desirable friendships.

Boy, he's REALLY into her. He said he ran into her and spent THREE HOURS yacking with her in Pret A Manger?

As someone up-thread suggested, Lia's on the verge of Greek babies...and marriage. Looks like it's going to be Joel & L̵i̵a̵ Vero in the not too distant future.

Also Vero's American-In-London which might appeal to their American demographic...and her TEETH definitely will.

Vero is a perfect replacement for Lia; I like her a lot. And she's already married (and Joel's gay) so we won't have to hear the inevitable Joel and Vero couple bullshit.

[quote]so we won't have to hear the inevitable Joel and Vero couple bullshit.

True. It would be exhausting to have to go through all that again.

Vero may be married, but she looks smitten with Joel (who isn't) and if we didn't know her marital status, it would be an easy observational assumption (from viewing their interactions in his vlogs) that she wants to fuck him.

Her hubby's rather dreary looking, no wonder she's smitten with Joel...feeding him Mexican treats by hand and then running into him "by accident" at his workout place, giving him special donuts and then, final "coincidence", she's at Pret A Manger, with three hours to spare...

Joel had better fuck her or that gurl will turn MEAN.

Donna Noble is from Chiswick and it is much closer to London than Chichester

With Lia missing London life, I wonder how long it will be before she and Achi compromise and move somewhat closer?

Who the fuck is Donna Noble? & Chiswick is IN London.

I don't think we'll ever see Lia back in London, so forget it. She and her BF are saving up to buy a house and I'm sure it will be down there.

I'd be curious to learn more about Joel's spirituality and faith, because he definitely seems to have that side to him. In one of the comments on that video he mentions listening to Hillsong music and other religious ministry music. Again, I'm not familiar with that genre at ll, nor do I understand the appeal, but wasn't there some controversy about Hillsong being homophobic? If he has to go to church, hopefully he finds one that isn't anti-gay (whether he is gay or not).

Churches in England don't tend to be homophobic. It's not part of their schtick in general.

Anyway, Joel just seems to want to find a church near his house.

Church Of England is a very watered down Christianity.

Anglicanism is Catholicism without the Pope.

Odd how Joel always refers to his brother's BOYFRIEND. He could just say friend.

I think it's nice that he makes it a point to refer to his brother's boyfriend as such so that there's no doubt that they're a couple and quite openly gay. That's what I can't quite figure out about Joel. He is either gay himself and closeted, gay and open about it to everyone in his personal circle/private life but not on camera, or somehow he's actually straight (far-fetched) and intentionally not being heteronormative in his language (no pronouns), or he's simply not really interested in relationships of any kind gay or straight at this time in his life. It's a mystery, which is intriguing and I guess good for him for being able to retain some mystique in an era of chronic oversharing and overexposure, especially by his millennial peers.

[quote] or he's simply not really interested in relationships of any kind gay or straight at this time in his life.

Didn't you read his tweet about falling in love with someone on The Tube?

I did, r381, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he's actively looking for someone or taking steps towards making that happen.

[quote]but that doesn't necessarily mean that he's actively looking for someone or taking steps towards making that happen.

He's clearly not - yet at the same time he pines for it.

Live thing later - 5PM (17:00) EST

Thanks, r384.

All that gym ( two gyms) and dieting, special foods and power drinks etc. - he looks exhausted by life. Why bother?

New link to live stream:

Live NOW!

we posted at the same second, R387

They're being pretty boring, actually.

Their live streams are usually rather staid and uneventful, but it's clearly another source of revenue for them with the generous donations they receive. This was the first time I was able to view one live, so it was cute to see them in "real time" and Joel seems much more free and camp. You can tell that he is recharged when he's with Lia.

It's quite fun when they respond to your posts.

I agree about Lia.

I feel sorry for him losing her.

Two years ago. Joel looks so different.

Joel was cute even before his fitness transformation. He may have lost a lot of weight, but I don't think he ever looked fat or unappealing. If you go back even further, it's Lia who looks like a completely different person. Her rhinoplasty completely changed her face. It definitely softened her features and made her more attractive.

Lia's nose made her look very Greek.

Considering how many British DLers there are, at least one of them should be able to report back on Joel's secrets. Even if none of the British DLers know him yet, someone should volunteer to find him and get the tea,

Lee-er's nose was a Hellenic lump and is quite attractive now that it has been shaved down,

Yes, she's really transformed herself into a very attractive young woman.

She also uses makeup very well.

[quote]Considering how many British DLers there are, at least one of them should be able to report back on Joel's secrets. Even if none of the British DLers know him yet, someone should volunteer to find him and get the tea,

Funny you say that - but I've discovered I live about 20 minutes away from him in the car. I never go over there though - the other side of the river, especially since they had to shut down Hammersmith Bridge.

And the callipygia she showed in the bikini!

So large, so round, so apt for child bearing...

r376, Joel's going to have one helluva a hard time exploring religion if he's too afraid to walk into the church he wants to visit.

I mean, WTF?

r378, Here in the USA we call it Espiscopal.

[quote]Church Of England is a very watered down Christianity.

It completely depends on the Parish. The CofE is a very broad church, which is really what Elizabeth I envisioned. There are high-church congregations(Anglo-Catholic in style), there are low-church congregations(Evangelical in style), then there are congregations in between. There are also conservative, liberal, and moderate members and clergy.

The question of same-sex marriage is threatening to tear the entire Anglican Communion apart. The majority of people in the CofE, The Episcopal Church in the US, and the other Western member churches are largely in favor of allowing homosexuals to marry and serve in the church, but the African and Asian churches are against it, and they have the largest numbers and are more than happy to welcome the more conservative members and parishes of the Western churches to place themselves under their umbrella. Even though this is completely against Anglican history and weakens the national churches.

R403 = Joel

Just out!

Joel & Lia do the TM-ZED tour of L.A.

They're being quite funny and relaxed but it's very amateur for them. Badly recorded. Camera all over the place.

That TMZ tour was cringe, but they weren't familiar with TMZ (the tacky show) so they wouldn't have known to avoid it. Poor Lia, she got shit on by birds twice in July and on two different continents!

I like the way she keeps bombarding the tour guide with questions. You don't usually see them interacting with people like that.

Lia is secretly an American. She loves interacting with people and it's charming. That tour guide looked to be all of 19 and is probably paid in Slurpees, but was a good sport. Joel and Lia elevate the most mundane activities and settings and are always enjoyable to watch.

[quote]Joel and Lia elevate the most mundane activities and settings and are always enjoyable to watch.

"They've got a sense of fun!" - a British expression I haven't heard in a long time, that my father used to say, but very apt here.

I've suddenly thought. That guy who followed Joel off the train (when he went to St. John's Wood, but wouldn't tell us why), he was probably being cruised by the guy. Happened to me today and it reminded me of Joel's little story. Joel was a bit freaked out. He's kinda naive.

That is completely plausible, r410. Joel is a very attractive guy who, whether he likes it or not, can easily be clocked as gay (whether he is or not). It's still sketchy the lengths the other guy went to follow him though, so I can see why that experience would be really unsettling.

R409, we say that in America, too ... and it is indeed apt for J&L.

This new one is a load of rubbish. Who's he appealing to, fourteen year olds?

Lia just posted her Edinburgh vlog and it gives you some nice scenic morsels of the Scottish capital. Also, the more I see of Lia and Ach's relationship, the more I understand and enjoy it. Their banter is really cute and it feels very natural and lowkey affectionate:

[quote]Also, the more I see of Lia and Ach's relationship, the more I understand and enjoy it. Their banter is really cute and it feels very natural and lowkey affectionate:

I didn't get that at all.

She had to remind him to ask her how her little trip went.

He's like a little thug and a dark creature of the night. I'm sure she could do so much better than him. Someone cheerful and bright. God knows why she's so keen and I hate his heavy beard. I guess he's very "DL hawt" PLUS very big arm muscles, I noticed. I'm sure he's fucking her brains out...and she must be keen to relocate to the middle of nowhere with him...and they're saving for a house together.

I'd like to see her get away from him and back to London and Joel.

Meanwhile Joel's continued lack of lovelife continues to baffle us. He doesn't even seem to have any male friends. Just endless dreary "gurlfriends" who all look like students from the local polytechnic...even though he's 27.

Lia's BF comes across as having a bone dry, deadpan sense of humor that she appears to like, but they do seem to have completely different personality types and that must work for them in an opposites attract sort of way. At the very least, he's probably good in the sack as you suggest, r415.

Joel seems to have a lot of issues around body image and self-esteem, which is probably why he pushes away the notion of a relationship. It's like he's trying to perfect himself first (even though he doesn't/shouldn't have to) lest he be rejected on some purely shallow metric. Too bad he doesn't see himself as so many others do, as someone who is perfect just as he is.

[quote]It's like he's trying to perfect himself first (even though he doesn't/shouldn't have to) lest he be rejected

He's doing the very gay thing - the diets, the endless gym visits...

Monday means more Joel vlogs! This one is nice and long (*giggle*) and in it he shows us a bit around Winchester, he contemplates starting a separate channel for fitness related content, and bakes a cake without a shirt on (while wearing an apron) and he looks like a snack throughout:

[quote]he contemplates starting a separate channel for fitness related content

Yes, please!

I've been watching this English Youtuber lately.

His videos are interesting.

H took the cheapest flight he could find, just for the fun of it.

£5 from London to Poland.

And does things like works for Deliveroo & Amazon for a week.

He has a fraction of the videos J&L have but over 100,000 more subscribers.

If J&L got a bit more interesting, they could have bigger numbers, instead of just eating food all the time and rattling on about America.

J&L's authentically charming friendship, that includes eating food and prattling on about the U.S. and U.K., is their brand at this point and it works for them. I'm glad they're not relying on stunts for clicks.

Joel's "finding himself".

Where else best to do it but on YT with all his "friends".

Hopefully, Joel will "find himself" sitting on a cock soon.

r422 There's really no difference between what J&L do and what that guy does. They both use gimmicks, J&L do their british vs. American vids and this guy does random shit, but they're both using them to get views.

It's not what they do, it's how they do it.

Lia's latest.

Lia meets up with some very boring gurlfriend in Soho...ZZZZzzz... some other YouTuber....and they eat and eat...then they stop off for dessert and eat some green concoction.

At the end of the day she returns to Colchester or whatever it's called, to her awful yobby boyfriend who speaks so badly I can barely understand a word he says...and they eat.

@ 3:01 they run into, by accident, one of their fans - lucky it wasn't one of their DL fans with all their filthy talk of holes and erections.

Something is up with Joel & Lia today. They posted a video announcing new subscription options for accessing exclusive live member only content (live streams) and prioritized comment responses from them for their paid subscribers on their videos (including signifier emojis). I suspect it's gone over like a lead balloon because they've just pulled the video. The top tier was $24.99 a month!

I guess it's back up now. It was briefly set to private:

[quote] The top tier was $24.99 a month!

OMG!

[quote]I guess it's back up now. It was briefly set to private:

and again. What's going on?

They're kidding themselves if they think anyone's going to PAY to watch their lame bullshit.

and their latest videos are back to the old boring USA vs UK shite.

It does seem like a bridge too far given that they have less than 300,000 subscribers and from the comments on that video before it was pulled, a lot of their viewers are senior citizens on fixed incomes. I realize that this is their job and only source of income, but it's hard not to see this as purely a cash grab that's really not worth the expense for what they're offering.

[quote] a lot of their viewers are senior citizens on fixed incomes.

This surprises me.

I thought it was mostly teenage American gurls and a few gays with a thing about Joel.

It's surprising, r434, but they do appear to have a lot of older viewers (I would suspect lonely empty nesters, Anglophiles, middle aged single women, eldergays, etc.?). I wonder why they took this video down or if they're simply going to re-film it to clarify the details and address concerns that were raised in their comments section? They already had people subscribing, which is kind of shocking to me, but I guess some people have different financial priorities and money to burn on this sort of thing.

Weird they took it down. Wonder what's going on.

[quote]They already had people subscribing

Amazing what people will pay for.

If this is true....bye Joel and Lia, I'll learn to live without your videos!

$25.00 for what exactly?

If this is true, they're really pushing it.

They are offering an option.

For the monthly subscription you will be able to see a fur ball exit the Lia twat with the Ach babies and Joel will probably sell his man-cherry for an online watch.

Until then all is the same except for the exclusive content.

[quote]dear internet trolls

We should feel offended. It's like Joel is whining directly at us.

If you watch TikTok, you can see that all the young people are upper middle class and have a life of leisure with plenty of time to record video of themselves.

wrong thread

They sampled peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for the first time! Do they really not have Jello in Britain?

She said they do have gelatin in the UK, but that it's called jelly.

It seems they've dumped the subscription idea.

It's amazing that J&L actually make a good living from this. But they do.

[quote]She said they do have gelatin in the UK, but that it's called jelly.

Yes.

Jello (USA) = Jelly (UK)

Jelly (USA) = Jam (UK)

R446, they do well because they're charmingly child-like when they approach something American like PB&J.

I found myself wanting to shout at the screen quite a bit with this video. When Lia speculates that strawberry is the most popular jelly for PB&J, I (internally, at least) shouted "grape!" When Joel, being child-like, asks if you spread the peanut butter on the jelly, I thought "no, you idiot, on the bread!" They clearly play up that innocent ignorance for their audience.

Also, what's with the Whole Earth (whatever that is) peanut butter? It didn't even look like peanut butter. It was sickly pale and nasty-looking. Any American could tell them that the only proper p-butter for a PB&J is the mass-market stuff, loaded with salt and sugar. It's like they don't do any research at all; they just hear about something American and guess at what it is. Sometimes that's annoying; sometimes it's fun.

[quote]Also, what's with the Whole Earth (whatever that is) peanut butter? It didn't even look like peanut butter. It was sickly pale and nasty-looking.

Tastes horrid too - but it's supposed to be the healthy variety.

[quote]When Lia speculates that strawberry is the most popular jelly for PB&J, I (internally, at least) shouted "grape!"

She asks people to leave a comment about this.

What's next, the Fluffernutter?

Joel is NOT a "people person".

Joel though peanut butter was made from butter. He prides himself as being a graduate of a top level university.

He's not too bright. Any 28 year old who spends his life posting videos about the trite rubbish he focuses on hasn't got too much going on upstairs.

But he has pretty eyes and a velveteen sphincter, so all is forgiven.

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^^ all that is in reference to their YouTube channel.

Joel mentioned in their vlog about LA that he considered that he might fall in love with someone when they visited there. He didn't, so someone missed their opportunity to mate with Joel and all his former fatty baggage.

very photoshopped pic

r457, But still no mention if the fictitious person he hoped to fall in love with was a man or a woman.

True, his hypothetical love interest was referred to as a "person" and we know what that means.

He's obviously gay

Then & Now.

(2016 & 2019)

Actually, I'm NOT going to follow his Instagram. How many pics of Joel grinning at the camera does one man need to see, quite frankly.

I think [bold]Joel & Lia's DL Group[/bold] consists of about five people. Two of us who actually follow the storyline. A couple who check in once in a while when they see the thread's been bumped, to see if he's come out yet and one who turns up from time to time to leave a comment about his hole.

Apparently social media exploded when Joel posted this >

Joel and Lia are selling CUM RAGS with their faces on them!!!!

I want to wrap Joel's face around my spurting cock!!!

They've got a very fancy online shop opening soon!

I wonder how well they do with their "merch" - if there really are people who buy their product, just because it's them and might have J&L stamped on them or one of their hilarious catchphrases. There must be or they wouldn't be opening their own shop I guess.

I find Joel cute and adorable at either size.

It's amazing that Joel ever loses weight, considering how much he eats on camera and how much he tries to justify cheating on a diet. He still has a fatty mindset of thinking it's ever okay to indulge in dessert or high calorie food.

It is okay, if your metabolism's fast enough.

It's like saying that it's okay for an alcoholic to have a shot of liquor now and then on their cheat day. FYI, it's not okay for people with bad food addiction.

[quote]It's amazing that Joel ever loses weight, considering how much he eats on camera and how much he tries to justify cheating on a diet.

He sometimes goes to the gym twice a day.

He enjoys his food and treats and he works it off...and it seems to be working out OK for him.

Next thing, he's going to have a hair transplant (because people were posting cunty messages about his hairline)... and he's going to film the whole process

Joel always seems like a tragic figure dealing with internal pain that he treats with overeating and desserts. He should find a way to resolve his issues rather than turning to food.

You're right. He doesn't seem to be happy.

[quote]Joel always seems like a tragic figure dealing with internal pain that he treats with overeating and desserts.

And now with this obsession with workouts, gym and diets.

You're right. He doesn't seem to be happy.

[quote]Joel always seems like a tragic figure dealing with internal pain that he treats with overeating and desserts.

And now with this obsession with workouts, gym and diets.

There's someone round here, otherwise known as r467, who could probably rescue him.

I want Joel to go full frontal!

He is a charming otter...

He's actually getting a hair transplant today. He posted an IG story with his head shaved (again) and all doped up on anesthesia. It seems like such an unnecessary thing, but he lets his insecurities dictate a lot of his actions and choices.

I get the feeling they offered him to do it for free when they heard he was talking about it.

Could you post a link, R480?

Their shop has "gone live" - your chance to buy a Tea Towel (dish cloth or whatever you call them in Canada) with Joel & Lia on it! Can you imagine?

Here you go £8 (about $10).

I can't believe it. That's ALL they're selling in their "shop".

They batch things for their shop and they are all limited to first come first served.

I have a "triggered" cap that is no longer avail.

I bought two of the cum rags with their faces on them.

I am going to decoupage Joel's face onto a glory hole board.

[quote]I have a "triggered" cap that is no longer avail.

You're kidding! LOL.

Post a pic!

[quote]I bought two of the cum rags with their faces on them.

You're kidding! LOL # 2

I do not know where to post a pic now that Tiny Pic is dead.

The cum rags were ordered yesterday.

After shipping and conversion, they were $16 each.

[quote]I do not know where to post a pic now that Tiny Pic is dead.

Here >

can someone post the IG story link, please? - I've posted a ton of links. It's not much to ask.

Joel and Lia are being investigated by an Inspector General?

r487, Here is a bad picture of the "triggered" Joel and Lia limited edition cap.

I don’t know who they are Reg.

[quote][R487], Here is a bad picture of the "triggered" Joel and Lia limited edition cap.

Thanks for posting the pic. I was hoping to see you wearing it!

You're welcome...Joel...

R495 = Lia

r496, the only thing that Lia and I have in common is a fondness for Greek cock.

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r495

Their logo is ridiculous.

I kind of hope for a dramatic falling out. That would be entertaining.

ALERT: Joel's had his hair transplant .

He would have done better with a personality transplant. He should work more on his internal issues rather than his external ones.

I honestly don't understand why he did it. He really didn't need one. I never looked him and thought his hairline was receding anymore than what is natural with age (all men's hairlines tend to move as a they mature, but it's not necessarily an indicator of going bald). He seems especially influenced by the opinions of others (namely negative viewer comments), which is a shame.

I agree. Way too young to do it. Now he'll have to keep getting them as his hair changes. What's next, a face lift?

I also think he was possibly offered it for free - but he didn't link the clinic under his video, so I'm not sure. He said they'd let him video in the place if they could use the footage.

The clinic probably forbade him from filming the process so that they can control and edit any and all footage that is released about the actual procedure.

Joel is very very vain about his looks.

He has to be gay.

cute pic

(Lia's getting laid nightly)

If they had been siblings then she couldn't have become his hag.

Yes .. siblings....

Joel's LIVE - one hour from now.

Joel is a little insane to do a hair transplant when his hair might only be starting to recede.

The really crazy thing is that he’s obviously gay, but is a huge Jesus freak, likely due to his family upbringing. So he’s likely not fucking anybody. And as he continues to age, and actually starts losing his hair, he’s going to definitely regret not having sex when he was desirable.

r508 Is that his dad? So there was a chance he wasn't going to lose his hair.

OMG - this thread is now a year old!

Anyway - Joel got a PUPPY.

Dog lovers (& Joel lovers) will enjoy this.

I adore him.

And, if he's not gay, then I have a uterus and am about to birth the 2nd coming of the lord. (Yahoo!)

His sweet smile would look so cute as my massive tool grinds inside him with increasing thrusts of spasmodic glory.

Joel's been in New York!

with his hawt brother.

Joel's hair plugs are looking good.

Joel... then and now

2010 - 2020

Joel just came out in an IG post with his hot boyfriend.

There's also a coming out video, R517 ☞

Why do gays cut their hair so short all the time?

He says in the video that people wouldn't have known without him actually revealing it. The delusion is so great that anyone who has watched any of his videos wouldn't be absolutely certain. The odds of him being straight were zero.

He doesn't mention that he has a gay brother who is out with a BF. Surely that was a help.

I’m wondering what the hell to post in this thread now. I guess we could talk about the woman, whoever she is.

See my post @R8

His "don't call it a coming out" video was actually quite poignant and honest without feeling rehearsed. He still seems sort of conflicted about identifying with the larger LGBT community, but he's taken a big step by sharing this aspect of himself that he previously kept so guarded on his channel(s).

I found the video slightly creepy and I'm not sure why.

And he's chosen a pic of him crying for the video...then on Instagram he's with the new BF smiling from ear to ear.

Joel & Lia

Fag & Hag

My favorite YT otter.

Well, Joel's coming out failed to set this thread alight. Where are his fans? Where's the fan who wanted to bleach his hole? I guess he doesn't want to now Joel's official.

Threads are built on speculation and gossip. Actually coming out is like the opposite of that.

The follow up video

[quote] Why do gays cut their hair so short all the time?

Why do straights worry about such trivialities all the time?

There's not a lot of comments about his coming out because him being out is meh. Being just a YouTuber, who everyone who knows he exists already knew was gay, him being out doesn't change anything.

He IS a furry little otter.

[quote]There's not a lot of comments about his coming out because him being out is meh. Being just a YouTuber, who everyone who knows he exists already knew was gay, him being out doesn't change anything.

Then what are we going to do to get this thread back up and running?

💦I guess it's over for J&L on DL.💦

Lia's become very annoying lately. Sort of fake and over enthusiastic...which is exhausting to watch.

Lia and her hirsute boner boy have another channel about finding a new home.

I think they have spread themselves thinly.

Joel's boyfriend looks a bit chav.

What's a boner boy?

J&L now also have a sort of tour of Britain channel.

Wonder if Joel will feature his new BF on one of HIS channels, the way Lia has boner boy.

This the new channel. It's called Two Two Brits.

sorry, "Those Two Brits".

[quote]Lia and her hirsute boner boy have another channel about finding a new home.

Link, PLZ.

Boner Boy and Lia HotPockets

Bumpity bump