Stanford professor acquitted of ogling members of wrestling team in the shower

Oh stop. Who doesn't?

JIM JORDAN !

A former dean of humanities, a history professor, used to sit in the student-athletic facility's steamroom, on the top bench, and masturbate while licking his lips. He was in his 60's at the time, grotesquely obese, and overt in his actions. One time, I saw him repeatedly touching himself and talking to a guy, who finally left the steamroom and exited through the showers, where I was showering. He asked me if I had seen what he did, and I told him I had.

I went in and addressed the perv by his title and told him that he really spooked the youngster. He was not the least bit alarmed that I knew who he was.

As far as I know, he retired several years later, never having been taken to task for the inappropriate behavior. This was in the early 90's. Can you imagine what would happen today?

A violation of the Ogle Act is a serious offence,

Now: go get your cellphone get back to the steamroom, and when the perv refuses to cease and desist his public masturbation, broadcast it live on social media.

Then send the video to the faculty council or the Senate, or whatever academic body there is.

He comes from a culture where men women and children all bathe together. He probably honestly didn't believe he was doing anything wrong.

So silly. Everybody knows that if you’re old, you have to pay for prime twink ass. But you have to scope out the poor-ish ones, who will do anything for money. Then you leave the money on the bureau and tongue-fuck those tight little asses.

Why do these things so often happen to wrestlers?

Those spandex-clad bulges demand attention, R8.

How close did he get?

Their default position is face down ass up R8, so it makes sense.

Everyone knows wrestlers love showing off. They were probably flaunting their sweet asses in front of him. Shameless hussies.

Me ogle you long time

R3 Today he would be filming it on his cell and posting the video on PornHub as "These Steamroom Hotties Make the Dean's List".

Most men look. The paranoia of today is ridiculous.

R10, what is that from?

The wrestlers didn’t want to see that tiny asian dick.

Acquitted of ogling but convicted of being fugly and old.

What was this professor even doing near the shower?

The university gyms is open to everyone at the school r19, which includes a professor who works there.

So he never did anything to these guys as they admit, but they just thought his "oogling" made them uncomfortable and tried to start a fucking lawsuit over it?!

That seems like a way overraction, fucking man up guys.

As a student, I would have been a bit unnerved if my professor was watching me shower. R20 your interpretation gives a new perspective to the idea of man up.

I’d only want the hot professors looking at me in the shower. Not this troll!

As a rice queen, I would have purposely dropped the soap to give him a show.

Considering nothing is going to be done about it, it seems my interpretation that they just have to man up is correct r21.

It also says a lot that they never said anything or confronted this guy, but instead went behind his back and tried to get him fired.

This happened in 2010 or before? Eight years (or more) is a long time to hold on to those kinds of memories.

Perhaps therapy may be more appropriate for these wrestlers. This sounds very #metoo.

This is why hotties like me are forced to towel dance!

FORCED

I wonder if we can also punish those who masturbate thinking about you without your consent.

I wonder if this professor was grading their papers while watching them shower?

Team Ogler. Why else would wrestlers be allowed to shower if there weren’t going to be a public viewing?

Since when is ogling the athletes not a perk of academia? I weep for our culture.

When I was a student there I sometimes caught a professor of AA Studies looking at me in the pool locker room. He was pretty well known; died about 10 or 12 years ago; had a big belly and bald head with a stubbly beard. I was naive and wondered why, but I wasn't too naive to notice; a few years later when I came out I found out he was (technically) closeted.

I realize this story it completely banal. Of course people look at each other in the locker room, showers, etc.—that includes faculty, students, everybody.

At my gym they not only towel dance (if they use the locker room at all), they work out in sweats. Smh.

[quote]I wonder if we can also punish those who masturbate thinking about you without your consent.

Seriously. If you are going to freak out about someone checking you out, then you need to become a hermit who never leaves your house. Looking is not a crime.

Looking is a thoughtcrime.

Looking is a thoughtcompliment.

When I was in college, I used the men's restrooms rather than in the buildings with the classrooms. I could look at a few naked men on my way to the toilet, then return to my next class. Now that I'm much older, when I'm in my gym's locker room, I get in and out quickly so I don't get pegged as an old perv. We have a few older men who seem to take their time changing and after they shower they don't mind showing us their wares. We know why they're hanging around.

Was he wasn't licking his lips and saying, "YUM!"?

Did people notice they were being checked out in the showers 30 years ago when gang showers were the norm? I don't recall ever hearing stories like this up until relatively recently. Can eldergays chime in?

Here's the former Stanford wrestler who called him a "running joke," as per the NBC article.

R38, yes, everybody knew that everybody looked at everybody else in the shower. It was no big deal at all.

To be fair r39, that guy Matt Gentry, didn't think it was a big deal though. He had a pretty normal reaction to it.

[quote]Matt Gentry, a two-time Canadian Olympian and 2004 NCAA champion for Stanford, called Le a “running joke” among teammates but said he never felt harassed or threatened.

What was the crime again ogling? Didn't know i could've gone to prison for looking in high school gym class. If you can't control people eye balls then don't get nekkid.

The article said, "They accused Le of showering in unnecessarily close proximity to them in an area open to the general school community." I wonder how close this dude was getting? Seems like a creeper to me and seems like more than looking going on.

You have to realize there was less public consciousness around the idea of gay people r38. Now it is something people think about when it comes to other guys, 30 years ago your average straight guy wouldn't be thinking that there are probably gay guys around him. I think that knowledge leads to increased vigilance.

r43 Creeper i can totally by, but were they touched. He was too close to me sounds like a waste of the courts time.

Okay then, here's a picture of former Stanford wrestler Josh Brown, who more snowflakily told the Mercury News, "I felt pretty exposed and pretty unprotected by the folks who were supposed to be" looking out for them. “Any given day where that happened would be the worst day.” Don't ogle him, though!

r46 Was it because it was some old Asian guy? I suppose if some chick was starring at Josh Brown he would feel exposed. Seriously those gymnasts who had the doctor stick his finger up their vadge complained less.

Both things can be true.

1) Yes, looking is not a crime so there is nothing here he did that can get him in real trouble.

2) Christ this guy is sad, for years through many wrestling teams he has been the running joke of the guy who comes and pervs on them in the locker room. You are a freaking Professor at Stanford man, don't be so pathetic. Have some dignity.

Actually he's just a lecturer. Does that make him more or less pathetic?

R49 That makes him waaaay more pathetic, since he likely doesn't have tenure.

[quote] Christ this guy is sad, for years through many wrestling teams he has been the running joke of the guy who comes and pervs on them in the locker room. You are a freaking Professor at Stanford man, don't be so pathetic. Have some dignity.

It might be sad but at the same time you can't define someones life by it. At least he wasn't getting high or prostituting himself.

He is just a lecturer?! Now I am surprised Stanford isn't firing him. I assumed he was a tenured professor so obviously Stanford can't do anything about this.

He might be a tenured lecturer. Not as common but it does happen.

Lecturers at such universities as Stanford commonly have some semi-permanent status whereby they're renewed every 3, 4, or 5 years. It's not tenure, but it's job security—often hard-won through or similar action. In this case, presumably, his allegedly ogling wrestlers in the showers hasn't been deemed just cause to terminate a competent math teacher.

I'm sure this the talk of the campus at Stanford r54, his ability to be respected in a classroom is gone. Not that his behavior is out, his students will see him as a perv and a joke.

Hell, I'd expect some clever little jokes about it in the next round of student evaluations.

The bottom line (no pun intended) here is you should probably provide private shower facilities for people. You can't literally have people being forced to be nude in public, and then prosecute some for enjoying it.

[quote] 30 years ago your average straight guy wouldn't be thinking that there are probably gay guys around him.

Sure, no one knew there were any gay people in the 1980's.

No doubt he's been seen as a perv for decades. Hell I'm a woman and as a grad student, I remember the professors making jokes about other pervy professors in the showers. And at least one governor.

Sad thought--creeping in the showers was probably the highlight of his life and what he most enjoyed and looked forward to. Plus, it was free, and he was probably deluded enough to think no one noticed. That was probably all his sex life.

R59 Yes, it's like that with gym memberships too. It ends up costing more if you don't go since you're paying for it anyway.

He can still go to bathhouses but the closeted gays, the unmarried ones anyway, are not as hot.

Were any of the lads wearing jockstraps?

How terribly embarrassing. Looking is not a crime and if I were there, I’d probably do a swing through now and then. I didn’t read the story in depth but had the wrestlers made some snide or threatening remarks, he would have slinked away.

Cornell in the 80's. Gym an ogler's paradise. Also action. Cavernous castle-like place. Perverted old troll professors would latch on, follow, ogle, too. One had to be very firm with them to piss off. Some were obstinate. You know how trolls are.

Payne Whitney at Yale even hotter. Hayes at West Point - very downlow but hot, too.

One never thought of complaining, however. Ah, how times have changed. This prof was obviously too sticky and trolly. He didn't read the signals. He knew it. The boys should have told him to piss right off. Such wussies nowadays.

There was one prof though. Mid 40s and very in shape. He had a huge pendulous dong. It was the kind of dong that starts huge and gets bigger but hardens down, so one couldn't really point and say NO HARD ON PLEASE SHAME! I tried a couple times to get it on with him but he was mostly an exhibitionist and in any case, not interesting my young lips and ass.

The following is not a commentary on the OP professor.

Having said that, to be fair, older guys )perhaps 45 years and older) who work out, shower and change at the gym are more at ease being naked in the locker room because they grew up when this was perfectly acceptable and normal to actually be naked, change and shower at the gym. The paranoia today of being naked around other men is a relatively new phenomenon. perhaps in the past 25-30 years or so. And yes, it is paranoia.

I knew the Men Showering Together Troll would show up

True R65. When I was in a university dorm I found it odd how there were some men who would wait until nobody else was in the communal bathroom to shower, and they would wear a bathing suit in the shower and there were individual shower stalls with doors.

R64 was he cut or uncut?

R31 what is AA studies? Does he study alcoholics or addicts? Who was he?

R68 Hmm this was decades ago but I'm going to say uncut. He was Mediterranean looking and usually tan all year.

R69, he was a professor of African-American Studies. I remember that he wore a yellow speedo at the pool.

My friend’s buff brother says he just lets out a huge fart if someone is ogling him at the gym.

R72 . so he just keeps them on retainer to fart on demand?

[quote] He didn't read the signals.

He's Asian, and for whatever reason, they do not get subtle singles.

i can't judge him. I used to do that at the university gym where I attended in the sauna which faced the showers. Almost got caught once.

I went to junior high school in Anaheim, CA in the mid-70s. The science teacher, Mr. Witt, was a big 'mo and it was an open secret. Everyone knew but no one said anything. His class room was adjacent to the gym and the boy's locker room. So he could hear when the bell rang and see the boys file into to take showers and change up. Shortly after that Mr.Witt would stroll in, always with the intent of fetching a stack of clan towels for his class to clean up a science experiment gone wrong. And of course he would head for the same canvas towel bin all the naked boys just out of the showers would get theirs from, ogling away at all of the tween and barely teen boy candy.

It was all a ruse, and it happened all the time.

r76 Did you ever think 1 day you'd turn into Mr. Witt?

R76 if it was anything like the locker room scene in Steel Magnolias, then Mr. Witt knew what was up. Yummy delicious teenage boy butts!

All of these guys have careers and wives now. It would be crazy if one of the accusers went on to have notoriety in business, entertainment or politics.

That's fucked up and disturbing R76. You had a paedo as a teacher.

Was Mr. Witt hot and/or hung?

Well...we don't know if the wrestlers are hung, but the lecture is Hung.

Had said math professor looked like this, the wrestling team would have offered to make a sex tape with him after they caught him staring.

Was he envious of their bodies and cocks?

These are MY EYES and I'll point them wherever the fuck I want!

FUCK YOU

None of these snowflakes had the decency to tell the coach, who could handle it mano y mano?

If you read more, many of them say they did say something to the coaches

[quote]Most of the wrestlers acknowledge they never complained to coaches or university officials at the time of the encounters because they were embarrassed or just went along with teammates who joked about it. But some of the wrestlers said coaches were present when the topic of Le’s behavior came up at practices but told them to shower in groups and ignore Le. Martinez said then-head coach Steve Buddie and his assistant Jay Jackson both knew about Le’s behavior, but both said in interviews they were unaware of what the former athletes now describe.

Is there a Mrs. Lee?

This is so sad and pathetic on so many levels.

Softly, softly, catchee cockey!

The guys in that locker room scene from STEEL MAGNOLIAS are obviously considerably older than teenage, but thanks anyway.

Yeah, and the guys at Stanford were presumably 18-22, nominally "teenage" at best.

[quote] But some of the wrestlers said coaches were present when the topic of Le’s behavior came up at practices but told them to shower in groups and ignore Le.

Why does it matter if they were? He wasn't doing anything to them.

Years later, I wonder how the former members of the team feel about the incident. Now that they've had time to grow and put things into perspective, do they still think the proffessor was a perv?

Was the professor able to pick up the shattered pieces of his life and move on?

The ogling act has three degrees.

Ogling in the third degree is simple voyeurism or being a looky lou.

Ogling in the second degree involves verbalization while ogling such as "Yum, Yum, get me some." or "Va Va Va Voom"

Ogling in the third degree involves grabbing on to your own erect member and furiously masturbating while ogling.

None of these involve touching the victim. That's a different act altogether.

R94 was the Asian lecturer ever able to quench his lust for white college men who are athletes? He could have just gone to a sex club, bath house, or hooked up online. But I suppose that would ruin the "thrill" if he was a vouyer.

I look and every gay man I know also looks. With that said, gay Asians are beyond obvious when checking guys out. Even if the other person shows discomfort they keep looking without any hint that they’re making to way too obvious. You could throw up right then and there and they’ll still look at you: damn he’s sexy! So clueless.

Lookie, lookie., peekie, peekie!

It’s a communal shower and if I’m allowed to stand next to them, I will. Unless these snowflakes were ashamed of their tiny dicks. Having said that, if any of these wrestlers made some kind of snide, threatening remark, you wouldn’t see my ass back again.

The problem wasn't him doing this a couple times, it is that he continuously stalked them r99. He couldn't keep it to a normal level.

R99, I like it when they make a remark...I confront them on it.

It turns me on.

Ho Lee Fuk!

I was just admiring the art, officer, really.

Harvard in the late 80s. White haired professor who I never figured out who he was, but he was an ogling perv who just planted himself in the showers and was incredibly blatant. Weird thing about it, it didn't matter what gym you went to (there are a few on campus); he always seemed to be there. He was pretty well known for this, and I wasn't sure if he was all wrinkly from age or from being pruned out by the constant showers.

Everyone just joked about it, but he never really bothered anyone so we all let it slide. I guess it would be different if one felt threatened, but he was an old man and harmless.

R86 Mano y mano is hand to hand when translated. Doesn't make any sense in your post, unless you're suggesting a fist fight?

R28: "I wonder if this professor was grading their papers while watching them shower?"

I wonder if he had already graded their papers and it turns out they were better wrestlers than math students.

Could the suit have been revenge for bringing down their GPA's?

Remember those famous videos of some wrestling team naked in the locker room in the 90s? Supposedly the cameraman got caught at some point (what a scene that must have been) but I never heard what happened. They were hot and I never could figure out who could get away with just sitting there with a camera in a duffle bag -- for twenty minutes at a time, all over the locker room.

R107 on porn sites they have hidden camera videos of gym and military showers. They were filmed before all mobile phones had cameras and could capture videos.

In college (1990s), I took a Phys Ed elective each semester as an excuse to use the gym locker rooms and meet hot guys. Once I walked into the showers with a horde of HOT wrestlers! I figured out the timing of wrestling team practices ending, signed up for courses at the right time, and ended up showering with those hotties for months. I also finally chatted up one of them, took him up on an invite to see him compete, and ended up secretly dating/fucking/sucking him all that year.

Damn, some of the allegations go back as far as 2002. Some of the former students interviewed say their perception of the situation was influenced by their immaturity at the time. The fact that the foreign press picked up this story, makes me think the professor is not American. I wonder if the misunderstanding was due in part to cultural differences.

[quote]I wonder if the misunderstanding was due in part to cultural differences.

Girl please, stalking a wrestling team to the showers year after year is not a "cultural difference". He just is a thirsty for that wrestler eye candy and and refused to behave himself.

visiting wrestling and swim teams get stashed in our faculty/staff locker room during meets. unless they’re quiet i mostly want them to shut the fuck up and go away.

Were any of them wearing jockstraps?

Straight men are such snowflakes. When did society becomes so hostile to the existence of sexual tension between people? Yadda yadda.

He's off the hook in time for the holidays. Must be such a relief. To celebrate, I bet he goes online and orders up 2 blonde, jock-strap wearing, escorts to tag team him. He won't come up for air until after New Year's.💘🚶🏃🏃💘