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Bruce Springsteen On A ‘Variety’ Of Medication For Mental Illness After Breakdowns

Bruce Springsteen endured verbal abuse from his father as a child that later resulted in breakdowns and mental health issues, the singer revealed in an explosive tell-all interview.

Springsteen, 69, admitted that his father made him feel ashamed for being more like his mother, as opposed to tough like him.

“My mother was kind and compassionate and very considerate of others’ feelings,” he told Esquire. “ That was who I was. They came naturally to me. My father looked at all those things as weaknesses. He was very dismissive of primarily who I was. And that sends you off on a lifelong quest to sort through that.”

He continued that his father had a “face of Satan.”

Springteen adapted his father’s rock ’n’ roll persona in an effort to be accepted by him..

“Those whose love we wanted but didn’t get, we emulate them,” he said. “It is our only way to get it. So when it came time, I chose my father’s voice because there was something sacred in it to me. All we know about manhood is what we have learned from our fathers. And my father was my hero, and my greatest foe.”

His loss of identity led to his first breakdown at age 32.

The breakdown forced him to work on himself through analysis, which changed his life.

A decade after his breakdown, his father admitted he was “not very good” to him. Springsteen described the admission as “the greatest moment” of his life with his father.

Springteen’s father would later be diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia.

“I have come close enough to [mental illness] where I know I am not completely well myself,” he said. “I’ve had to deal with a lot of it over the years, and I’m on a variety of medications that keep me on an even keel; otherwise I can swing rather dramatically and . . . just . . . the wheels can come off a little bit. So we have to watch, in our family. I have to watch my kids, and I’ve been lucky there. It ran in my family going way before my dad.”

The singer suffered a second breakdown a few years after he turned sixty.

“An attack of what was called an ‘agitated depression,’”

When asked if he should’ve been hospitalized, he replied, “No one was saying that I should be . . . I had a couple very good doctors. But, unfortunately, it was August. That’s when they all take off.”

He continued, “All I remember was feeling really badly and calling for help. I might have gotten close to that and for brief, brief periods of time. It lasted for—I don’t know. Looking back on it now, I can’t say. Was it a couple weeks? Was it a month? Was it longer? But it was a very bad spell, and it just came. . . . Once again—DNA. And it came out of the roots that I came out of, particularly on my father’s side, where I had to cop to the fact that I also had things inside me that could lead me to pretty bad places.”

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by Anonymousreply 144December 24, 2018 1:20 AM

I have always liked Bruce and you have to admire him for telling people this about himself.

by Anonymousreply 1November 28, 2018 10:12 PM

That’s sad. But it sounds like he’s gotten a lot of insight and understanding. I have kids and wonder in which way I’m screwing them up (despite my best efforts to be a good parent).

by Anonymousreply 2November 28, 2018 11:15 PM

"The same hot blood running through our veins"

by Anonymousreply 3November 28, 2018 11:54 PM

I wonder if this is in his recent memoir? I bought it but haven't read it yet.

by Anonymousreply 4November 29, 2018 12:00 AM

Somehow we already knew most of this. His songs already said it all, especially on Darkness (cf. r3) and The River.

by Anonymousreply 5November 29, 2018 12:01 AM

Seems like he deals with his demons in a logical, sane way plus he can afford to get the best care. Wish all Americans could do likewise.

by Anonymousreply 6November 29, 2018 12:47 AM

I've always wondered why he had to insult Mary's plain appearance on Thunder Road. "You ain't a beauty but eh you're alright". Was that passive-aggressive comment supposed to sway her into running off with him? Was it necessary? That's something an abuser would say.

by Anonymousreply 7November 29, 2018 1:10 AM

FIRE HIM IMMEDIATELY!

by Anonymousreply 8November 29, 2018 1:13 AM

r7 It's always sounded to me like something Mary might have previously said to him, just as she might have said that she's scared and she's thinking they're not that young anymore. He is saying, perhaps in a young, naive, less-than-subtle, joking-but-actually-reassuring manner, that "that's all right with me" because "there's magic in the night" and she just has to "show a little faith." There's context to it, and it shatters me every single time. Fans sing along to that line in concert, so it probably affects others too.

Anyone know if Bruce sings Thunder Road in his Broadway show? I'm curious if the audience sings along to that line or if it's not that kind of audience.

by Anonymousreply 9November 29, 2018 1:23 AM

I wish he would have talked about his mental illness a long time ago. He is one of the few people who could have revealed that about himself and not be penalized for it. Oh, well. Glad he is revealing it now. Just feel that he could have helped to destigmatize mental illness (earlier).

by Anonymousreply 10November 29, 2018 2:17 AM

I think he's probably exaggerating his "breakdowns" and "mental illness." He's been a rock star practically his entire life and a very productive one. His live shows were like endurance contests, sometimes lasting for hours, and he reveled in his performances. How could he do all that if he was suffering from severe mental illness? I think he has his ups and downs like anyone else but he's never struck me as someone who has ever had to endure clinical depression or major anxiety. He's prone to hyperbole (his father had "the face of Satan?") and I think this is just another example of it.

by Anonymousreply 11November 29, 2018 2:25 AM

I'm so glad Bruce doesn't have his father's eyes!

by Anonymousreply 12November 29, 2018 2:27 AM

r10 I've been a fan of Springsteen since the 1970's and recall him speaking about his depression many years ago. This isn't new information, but I'm pleased he's talking about it more in depth.

by Anonymousreply 13November 29, 2018 2:32 AM

He writes about it in his book and gets into greater detail about his father. The father really went off the deep end toward the end of his life but Bruce was there to help him. It's a great memoir and not ghostwritten.

by Anonymousreply 14November 29, 2018 2:34 AM

Nice guy.....shit music.

by Anonymousreply 15November 29, 2018 2:37 AM

No one needed to hear this from him.

by Anonymousreply 16November 29, 2018 3:14 AM

Only 90% of meathead fans, r16. He may have averted a mass shooting.

by Anonymousreply 17November 29, 2018 3:22 AM

R9 He does do "thunder road" but the Broadway show is definitely not sing-along vibe. Be sure to watch it on Netflix. It's truly beautiful.

I think his most severe depression was probably when he wasn't on the road. I believe it was as bad as he says. He's very much in his head.

by Anonymousreply 18November 29, 2018 3:47 AM

r16 he's sharing this because it's real and it's part of who he is and furthermore, it will help destigmatize mental illness. I'm guessing he will save lives by revealing the struggles he has with his mental health. r16, there is no evidence that people with mental illness are more likely to commit mass shootings. The biggest marker for mass shootings is prior domestic abuse, not mental illness.

by Anonymousreply 19November 29, 2018 3:57 AM

It sounds like he’s saying he’s bipolar? Am I reading that right? Mood swings? Or does he just need SSRIs and mood stabilizers?

by Anonymousreply 20November 29, 2018 6:05 AM

r18 Thanks for the heads-up. Looking forward to it.

by Anonymousreply 21November 29, 2018 6:06 AM

This will bring me back to Netflix. For a month.

by Anonymousreply 22November 29, 2018 6:37 AM

,,,,

by Anonymousreply 23November 29, 2018 3:22 PM

R19, how can anyone who is not mentally ill commit a. mass shooting?

by Anonymousreply 24November 29, 2018 3:31 PM

R11 It's rather interesting you take him as being prone to hyperbole. Just because one is successful and productive in his life in no way rules out mental illness or discomfiture in accepting his nature and feelings. I suspect many men who appear strong, and appear to have it altogether have suffered scars from horrible fathers. If you have one of these fathers, you understand completely the damage that can be done.

by Anonymousreply 25November 29, 2018 3:37 PM

Furthermore, the children of Schizophrenic parents often have a much higher incidence of mental instability. The nature and nurture from such parents takes a toll.

by Anonymousreply 26November 29, 2018 3:39 PM

You don't become mentally ill, because someone calls you names. What happened is he was mentally ill and that led to his father being critical.

Springsteen is likely a closet homosexual and God knows what else he is hiding.

by Anonymousreply 27November 29, 2018 3:56 PM

I'm sure Bruce dries his tears with $100 bills.

I really did like celebrities a lot more when they didn't "open up" so much about themselves.

by Anonymousreply 28November 29, 2018 4:07 PM

Verbal abuse which may be constant, rejection, and the very presence of a Schizophrenic parent can definitely cause mental illness R27. Couple this with the physical inheritance of having a Schizophrenic parent and you have trouble. Are you at all familiar with concordance rates of Schizophrenia? It is highly heritable, as it is a structural abnormally of the brain. The disorder is distinctly different in that aspect in regard to other mental illness.

by Anonymousreply 29November 29, 2018 4:08 PM

Yeah -- we sympathize with anyone's struggle, but we note Bruce had an outlet for his pain with his music, outlets that many in similar situations are denied.

John Hiatt was another one -- he put out two or three albums all about his therapy.

by Anonymousreply 30November 29, 2018 4:10 PM

Correction @ R129 structural abnormality.

by Anonymousreply 31November 29, 2018 4:11 PM

Great post R9. Love that song and the lyrics have always resonated for me. It just sounds REAL. Not shmaltzy. You nailed it.

by Anonymousreply 32November 29, 2018 4:11 PM

How did anyone get closet homosexual from reading this? I like Bruce, but he sounds a tad pretentious and new age-y. Like a white, male Oprah in dungarees.

by Anonymousreply 33November 29, 2018 4:15 PM

r33 Dungarees?? Are you typing from 1955?

by Anonymousreply 34November 29, 2018 4:17 PM

I'm very disappointed: it took the DL 27 posts to declare that Bruce Springs was a *homosexual*.

by Anonymousreply 35November 29, 2018 4:18 PM

R33, he vacations with Oprah on Geffen's yacht. She's influenced him. My severe depression would be lessened if I vacationed on a billionaire's super luxurious yacht.

by Anonymousreply 36November 29, 2018 4:21 PM

No, r34. From New Jersey.

by Anonymousreply 37November 29, 2018 6:20 PM

r24 we'd like to think people who commit mass shootings are mentally ill, but the research doesn't bear that out. Most people with mental illness, including ptsd are non violent. One risks stigmatizing those with mental illness when you suggest they may become mass shooters.

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by Anonymousreply 38November 29, 2018 6:39 PM

Being the child of a paranoid schizophrenic will definitely mess you up. I actually know a daughter who was adopted, whose mother was paranoid schizophrenic, and she is as messed up mentally as anyone I know, even without the genetic connection.

by Anonymousreply 39November 29, 2018 6:43 PM

Springsteen doesn't ping to me at all and I've been to several of his shows going back to the days when he'd throw himself out into the crowd. He's always been very gay friendly and I am so sorry he's struggled with his mental health.

by Anonymousreply 40November 29, 2018 7:42 PM

For the longest time, I thought Bruce Springsteen was the epitome of average, normal, white male American guy-ness. A life not particularly dramatic, but also no huge issues or demons. But, I never delved into his story at all. It's been interesting to see all these tortured revelations over the past few years.

by Anonymousreply 41November 29, 2018 7:57 PM

Thanks, r32. What can I say, Bruce does that to me.

by Anonymousreply 42November 29, 2018 10:06 PM

He has never pung to me, either, and the first time I saw him, July, 1975, right before Born to Run came out, I was sitting in the front row on the floor (literally) of a college gym, and he sweat on me a couple of times.

by Anonymousreply 43November 29, 2018 10:09 PM

I awoke and I imagined the hard things that pulled us apart

Will never again, sir, tear us from each other's hearts

I got dressed and to that house I did ride

From out on the road I could see its windows shining in light

I walked up the steps and stood on the porch

A woman I didn't recognize came and spoke to me through a chained door

I told her my story and who I'd come for

She said "I'm sorry son but no one by that name lives here anymore"

by Anonymousreply 44November 30, 2018 6:25 PM

Well now the years have gone and I've grown

From that seed you've sown

But I didn't think there'd be so many steps

I'd have to learn on my own

Well I was young and I didn't know what to do

When I saw your best steps stolen away from you

Now I'll do what I can

I'll walk like a man

And I'll keep on walkin'

by Anonymousreply 45November 30, 2018 6:30 PM

R45 that is one of the most beautiful, wrenching songs I've ever heard. Gets me every time. Tunnel of Love might be my favorite Bruce album.

by Anonymousreply 46December 1, 2018 6:00 AM

r46 Hard to pick one, but it sure is way up there. So nakedly autobiographical, it didn’t really take me by surprise, for example, when his marriage fell apart not long after. I mean, did it surprise anyone at all?

by Anonymousreply 47December 1, 2018 11:25 AM

^Speaking of references to fathers and fatherhood in Bruce’s records, there’s that monologue in Live 75/85 before he launches into The River. Getting away from Dad, walking around town, harder to do when it’s cold, hiding out in a phone booth talking to his girl.

by Anonymousreply 48December 1, 2018 11:29 AM

I always wondered about his marriage to Julianne, and whatever became of her afterward.

TOUGHER THAN THE REST is one of my faves.

by Anonymousreply 49December 1, 2018 11:36 AM

R49, is "Tougher" a Julianne song or a Patti song?

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by Anonymousreply 50December 1, 2018 1:03 PM

Radar Online is run by the National Enquirer.

by Anonymousreply 51December 1, 2018 1:08 PM

The problem with him admitting this is that all the nasty things he says about Trump are just going to be chalked up to "Ah, Bruce is off his meds again."

by Anonymousreply 52December 1, 2018 1:34 PM

Only by the likes of you, cuntabelle r52.

by Anonymousreply 53December 1, 2018 1:46 PM

"Streets Of Philadelphia" is on the March 1994 Gap In-Store Playlist!

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by Anonymousreply 54December 1, 2018 1:48 PM

R50, well lookie at Patti eating Bruce with her eyes!

by Anonymousreply 55December 1, 2018 2:42 PM

Well listen up stud

Your life's been wasted

'Til you've got down on your knees and tasted

A red headed woman

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by Anonymousreply 56December 1, 2018 2:47 PM

[quote]Well listen up stud

[quote]Your life's been wasted

[quote]'Til you've got down on your knees and tasted

[quote]A red headed woman

I did that and it gave me cancer of the tongue.

by Anonymousreply 57December 1, 2018 3:33 PM

r50 asks the tough questions! Not r49 here, but I'll venture that it's a Julianne song. Tougher than the Rest is not about our guy finding the right girl, it's about our guy finding the right girl for his situation: alone at a club, locking eyes with a girl who also happens to be alone. "You get what you can get" and they hook up. There's a vibe similar to Bob Seger/We've Got Tonight or Tom Waits/I Never Talk to Strangers but (because he's our guy Bruce!) with a swagger that betrays an honest vulnerability: I've been around, so have you, but "if you're rough and ready for love," as I am, we could do a lot worse. He's not in love, he's thought about it and decided he's ready for love. That sounds more like what he had with Julianne. He got married because it seemed like the right thing to do at that point in his career, post-Born in the USA. With Patti we know, though only from hindsight, that it was the opposite: it wasn't about doing the right thing (we remember those photos on the hotel balcony, yeah?) but being with the right girl.

On the other hand, Red-Headed Woman is definitely Patti. Wink.

by Anonymousreply 58December 1, 2018 5:41 PM

Bruce? People are genetically prone to mental illness and there are millions of people cannot even begin to afford treatment. It's funny that as soon as celebrity's career is on the downswing they start with the "poor me" stuff. Someone tell Springsteen to go cry on a big bag of money.

by Anonymousreply 59December 1, 2018 5:46 PM

Where is “SWF on the Verge Of a Breakdown” when you need her?

by Anonymousreply 60December 1, 2018 5:50 PM

R59, If you go by his album sales, Bruce's career has been on a downswing since after Born in the USA. He still sells out most of the tours he does and is finishing up a very successful Broadway run. I still love a lot of the music he's putting out. I don't think he's doing the "poor me" thing, he just feels more comfortable talking openly about certain things now that were more opaque in his songs.

by Anonymousreply 61December 1, 2018 7:18 PM

Tom Joad lost a lot of fans in 93 or 94, but they returned for The Rising in 2001. Then, the dwindling began anew.

by Anonymousreply 62December 1, 2018 7:25 PM

R56, definitely TMI. I'm pleased that he speaks openly about mental health issues. Still too much stigma surrounding mental health.

by Anonymousreply 63December 1, 2018 7:26 PM

r59, I've followed Springsteen's career since the mid-70's and read just about every article about him along with seeing him in concert every chance I get. He has more narcissistic qualities than most of us because he's an entertainer and it's exceedingly difficult not to become a jerk, but I don't believe he's an asshole or megalamaniac at all. He relates to the working people and average lower-middle class person well and hasn't forgotten where he's come from. I think he is trying to normalize mental illness and sure, he has access to treatment, but why do you dismiss what he has to say because he's wealthy. I see his message as wealth doesn't prevent mental illness and he suffers just like the rest of us. He hasn't been driven by money in his career like many of his peers.

by Anonymousreply 64December 1, 2018 7:44 PM

I'm listening to Darkness On the Edge of Town. Fucking love him. I just howled along to the start of "Something In the Night" and my partner left the room.

His pre-song stories were gems. I collected bootleg concert tapes in the late 80s and heard the one a poster mentioned above about taking shelter in a phone booth.

by Anonymousreply 65December 1, 2018 8:13 PM

"I always wondered about his marriage to Julianne, and whatever became of her afterward."

I think I know how that fiasco came about. He'd seen her somewhere and liked what he saw, so he arranged an introduction. She was a model and trying to be an actress. They were both very attractive people, so naturally they hooked up. I guess Springsteen thought: 'I'm a rock star. She's a model. Rock stars marry models. It's probably time for me to get married, so I'll marry her." Never mind that they had nothing in common and that she was a fish out of water in his totally musician oriented world. They were totally unsuited to be married to each other. He eventually dumped her for Patti Scialfa, his homely as a horse back up singer who was exactly his type, a Jersey girl who was totally at home in his world, being a musician herself. They carried on quite openly before he was divorced, humiliating poor Julianne. But no doubt she got a generous divorce settlement. Since their divorce Springsteen and Phillips have had absolutely nothing to say about each other. It's like the marriage never existed. It's said that they had an "agreement" not to discuss anything to do with their former relationship, but why is that? Are there deep dark secrets that Bruce doesn't want revealed? Actually, I think it's just that he wanted to be in total control of everything and he decided he didn't want anybody to know anything about his doomed marriage to Julianne Phillips. In his memoir, she's barely mentioned. He doesn't talk about any good times they had, or conversations they had, or any qualities of hers that were appealing to him, although he does say she was "charming." It's rather disturbing how he just kind of erased her from his life as though she meant nothing to him. Maybe she didn't mean anything to him and he doesn't want people to know that. Anyway, Julianne got her divorce settlement and had a kind of middling career as an actress for a while. She hasn't acting since 1997. I don't think she ever remarried.

by Anonymousreply 66December 1, 2018 8:46 PM

[quote] It's said that they had an "agreement" not to discuss anything to do with their former relationship, but why is that? Are there deep dark secrets that Bruce doesn't want revealed? Actually, I think it's just that he wanted to be in total control of everything and he decided he didn't want anybody to know anything about his doomed marriage to Julianne Phillips.

A very dark side of Bruce.

by Anonymousreply 67December 1, 2018 9:03 PM

More TMI. Damn, these Marys/Marias...

Well I had my first kiss at the YMCA canteen on a Friday night

Maria Espinosa tell me where are you tonight

You were thirteen but way ahead of your time

I walked home with a limp but I felt fine

That night in Freehold

by Anonymousreply 68December 1, 2018 9:07 PM

I always get Bruce Springsteen and Bruce Villanch mixed up.

by Anonymousreply 69December 1, 2018 9:09 PM

Dad was hot.

I've always thought of Springsteen as a big fake, with his Homeless Vet wardrobe, etc. We know you're a billionaire- dress like one.

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by Anonymousreply 70December 1, 2018 9:11 PM

Then you have problems that go way beyond the scope of anything DL is able to handle, r69.

by Anonymousreply 71December 1, 2018 9:12 PM

Please, r70. Bruce hasn't sported that look you're talking about in decades. How exactly does a billionaire dress anyway? A lot of rich people dress sensibly in simple clothes.

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by Anonymousreply 72December 1, 2018 9:35 PM

R70, It's a sad funny ending to find yourself pretending / A rich man in a poor man's shirt

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by Anonymousreply 73December 1, 2018 9:36 PM

Is he bipolar or clinically depressed?

by Anonymousreply 74December 1, 2018 9:38 PM

I’m sure he has ALWAYS enjoyed discreet bjs from young males in his private life

by Anonymousreply 75December 1, 2018 9:47 PM

r75, no I really don't think he is into gay men at all. There is absolutely no evidence to support your fantasy. Sorry to disappoint you. .

by Anonymousreply 76December 1, 2018 10:00 PM

Count me as another how went head first down the rabbit hole of his Tunnel of Love album.

by Anonymousreply 77December 1, 2018 10:08 PM

Is 'Pink Cadillac' about doing anal?

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by Anonymousreply 78December 1, 2018 10:21 PM

R66, wow, good info. I wonder what she’s been doing for the past 19 years.

by Anonymousreply 79December 2, 2018 1:26 PM

R79

A few years ago someone who peripherally knew Julianne said she lives a happy & quiet life in the Pacific North West.

They said that she had been very hurt by the brazen way Bruce & Patti behaved. A total lack of discretion.

by Anonymousreply 80December 2, 2018 3:50 PM

R75 well he did kiss a male band member. But I am not sure why?

Also on datalounge you will always have people claiming they slept with someone famous and that they are bisexual or gay.

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by Anonymousreply 81December 2, 2018 4:44 PM

He kissed Clarence, r81, and he kissed Clarence often. It was their schtick, and the crowd loved it.

by Anonymousreply 82December 2, 2018 4:50 PM

Karma got Patti because Bruce has cheated many times during their marriage. Patti likes being Mrs. Springsteen so she tolerates the cheating.

by Anonymousreply 83December 2, 2018 4:54 PM

His kissing Clarence Clemons was always just stage theatrics. It was just part of the performance.

by Anonymousreply 84December 2, 2018 5:14 PM

Love Bruce. Aren’t most Americans depressed and on medication?

by Anonymousreply 85December 2, 2018 5:18 PM

Bruce & Clarence were like brothers. There was no hanky panky going on. GMAB!

by Anonymousreply 86December 2, 2018 5:31 PM

R83 didn’t he fuck some woman he met at the gym?

by Anonymousreply 87December 2, 2018 5:44 PM

He decided to "help" several 9/11 widows.

by Anonymousreply 88December 2, 2018 5:53 PM

I have a schizophrenic biological mother and aunt. I know the kind of hell he grew up in. Many of you don't understand mental illness. Talent comes from somewhere....and 9 times out of 10 you will find some mental illness in a talented persons family history. I'm an artist, I can sit in one position for 6 hours or more....so focused on my art project. I won't eat, I won't drink, I won't use the bathroom....no normal person does this. He can stand on stage for HOURS perfoming at his age because he didn't get to escape the crazy. Meaning with the abuse (which WILL alter your brain chemistry/self esteem) and being biologically predisposed to mental illness he was going to have some type of mental health issue. BRUCE SPRINGSTEENS sister is also talented. Wouldn't be surprised if she too didn't get to escape being "touched" in the head so to speak. ***I added a link to Pamela Springsteen's site*** great photographer.

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by Anonymousreply 89December 2, 2018 6:02 PM

R89 here, yes that pic in the link looks frauish and amateur but please do look around there as her stuff is amazing.

by Anonymousreply 90December 2, 2018 6:03 PM

R87, yes, a redhead named Ann Kelly.

by Anonymousreply 91December 2, 2018 6:03 PM

Years ago, Bruce's sister, Pam, dated Sean Penn.

by Anonymousreply 92December 2, 2018 6:05 PM

I think he reveals a lot about his public face vs. private demons in the lyrics to “Brilliant Disguise” as well as that song being a metaphor for his collapsing first marriage. I always thought he was stupid to marry Julianne Phillips but men (and women) in the grip of a sexual high will do stupid things.

by Anonymousreply 93December 2, 2018 6:09 PM

You need to go to the bathroom more often

by Anonymousreply 94December 2, 2018 6:24 PM

R89 please show us some of your art. Thanks.

by Anonymousreply 95December 2, 2018 6:38 PM

An ex-coworker of mine told a story of how when she was in high school, one of her teachers was a friend of Bruce's from New Jersey.

During the Born to Run tour, Bruce came to their high school and picked him up in a limo so they could hang out while he was in town. Imagine that happening while you are in high school in fly over country.

by Anonymousreply 96December 2, 2018 6:46 PM

Bruce has always had a talent for lyrics that are so descriptive they just pull you in. Far to many to list but this song never fails to haunt me.

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by Anonymousreply 97December 2, 2018 7:44 PM

I don't think Bruce was speaking in code here.

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by Anonymousreply 98December 2, 2018 9:15 PM

Bruce has a thing for redheads. Karen Darvin, Julianne Phillips and Patti Scialfa all have red or reddish hair. The 9/11 widow he had an affair with had the obligatory red hair. I think they did meet at the gym; his opening line to her was supposedly "you've got a great ass." You'd think the poetic "Boss" could have come up with something more original than that.

by Anonymousreply 99December 2, 2018 9:21 PM

R96, Aren't the 9/11 widow and the one Springsteen supposedly told "you've got a great ass" (according to the man who was divorcing her), different women? I remember there being all kinds of stories that he had left Patti for another woman, but 10+ years later they are still married.

by Anonymousreply 100December 2, 2018 10:02 PM

I think the ass woman was the one with the husband who was going to call Bruce into his divorce case.

Obviously, the 9/11 widow didn't have a husband...

by Anonymousreply 101December 2, 2018 10:14 PM

That's a great song, r97. I really have to listen to Tunnel of Love in its entirety.

by Anonymousreply 102December 3, 2018 12:52 AM

Hey, r102, I don't know if you want to read this before or after you listen to all of Tunnel of Love (or if you want to read it at all) but I suspect those who admire the album do so for many of the same reasons as this writer.

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by Anonymousreply 103December 3, 2018 1:43 AM

Wow, thanks for that, r103. It seems like a very dark album.

by Anonymousreply 104December 3, 2018 7:14 AM

The title song of Tunnel of Love is just amazing. It’s one of the best things Springsteen has done, a perfect marriage of music and lyrics.

by Anonymousreply 105December 3, 2018 2:05 PM

Tunnel of Love -- Warrior chords.

by Anonymousreply 106December 3, 2018 2:13 PM

[quote]We stood at the altar

[quote] The gypsy swore our future was right

[quote] But come the wee wee hours

[quote] Well maybe baby the gypsy lied

[quote] So when you look at me

[quote] You better look hard and look twice

[quote] Is that me baby

[quote] Or just a brilliant disguise

This is savage. I guess his marriage really was unhappy from the get go.

by Anonymousreply 107December 4, 2018 10:38 AM

r107 Check out the video. He does not look like he's acting.

Apropos of nothing, this is very very near peak Bruce hotness. (Peak to me was around the time of the reunion tour, 1999ish.)

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by Anonymousreply 108December 4, 2018 1:22 PM

All this talk about the love of Springsteen's greatest album on a thread about his dad; with no mention of the song where he addressed his issues most clearly?

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by Anonymousreply 109December 4, 2018 3:46 PM

A word about dads and Tunnel of Love. The Wish is an outtake from Tunnel of Love that turned up on Tracks. It's about a cherished Christmas present from Bruce's mother, his first guitar. A single verse from it is enough to show the world of difference between how he saw his pa and his mama:

If pa's eyes were windows into a world so deadly and true

You couldn't stop me from looking but you kept me from crawlin' through

And if it's a funny old world, mama, where a little boy's wishes come true

Well I got a few in my pocket and a special one just for you

I'm not sure what place this would have had on Tunnel of Love, so it's probably just as well that it was dropped. But Bruce does tell of how he "popped the question" on his mother's birthday. I don't know if any of this is true (he says it is, and then chuckles!), but it sure is nice to think it might be.

Sorry I keep bumping this thread with these ramblings, and thanks for your patience!

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by Anonymousreply 110December 5, 2018 2:49 AM

Tunnel of Love is amazing writing. The whole album, but that song in particular. I also love"Valentine's Day," would love to hear that live.

Best would be a tour where he'd play the whole album, like The River tour.

"Two Faces," wrenching.

by Anonymousreply 111December 5, 2018 4:30 AM

[quote]Best would be a tour where he'd play the whole album, like The River tour.

Are you LISTENING, Broooooooooooooooooce???

by Anonymousreply 112December 5, 2018 9:30 AM

We'll never get a Tunnel of Love Tour as there are likely still hard feelings from the E Street band about not being on what turned out to be his best album.

by Anonymousreply 113December 5, 2018 1:22 PM

R113, What are you talking about? The E Street Band toured behind the Tunnel of Love album in 1988.

by Anonymousreply 114December 5, 2018 4:32 PM

Bruce Springsteen and Clarence Clemons were supposedly big friends. Yet when Clarence wanted Bruce to sing the vocal on his one hit single, ironically titled, You're A Friend Of Mine, Bruce declined, saying that he was too busy.

Jackson Browne good naturedly stepped in and did the vocal for Clarence.

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by Anonymousreply 115December 6, 2018 1:42 AM

When Bruce and Julianne Phillips hooked up it was considered a match made in heaven; the beautiful model and the rock star. About their first meeting Springsteen said this "when I saw her I knew." Knew what? That she would be his one, true forever love? What bullshit! He just had the hots for her, that's all. I think the reason he doesn't talk about her at all is because he doesn't want to admit that his feelings for her were only superficial. I think the backlash he got when he and Patti Scialfa got found out burned him. He has an image to watch, you know. He really does seem like quite a dick.

by Anonymousreply 116December 6, 2018 2:12 AM

r116 I read in a recent interview, with Springsteen that he feels great remorse about how he treated Julianne Phillips and realizes he was a jerk.

by Anonymousreply 117December 6, 2018 2:23 AM

r115 That’s the first I’ve heard of this. Jackson and Clarence were very good friends. It wouldn’t be unthinkable if Jackson had been first choice. In any case, you seem more broken up about it than Clarence was.

by Anonymousreply 118December 6, 2018 3:41 AM

Bruce Springsteen seems like an ok guy, but I cannot imagine sitting through a whole evening of his singing, or whatever that is. I guess people like it, but I can only take him in small doses.

by Anonymousreply 119December 6, 2018 5:44 AM

I don't know if I'd like one of his solo shows.

But his tours with the E Street Band are fun.

by Anonymousreply 120December 6, 2018 6:19 AM

I never realized he was so old. He looks great for an almost 70 year old man and his mom is still alive. Amazing.

by Anonymousreply 121December 7, 2018 5:48 AM

The writing on Tunnel of Love is wrenching. I listened to that album every day commuting to work when I was 15 or so. I don't know why it resonated so much for me but now I fucking get it. Ugh.

by Anonymousreply 122December 22, 2018 6:46 PM

[quote] My severe depression would be lessened if I vacationed on a billionaire's super luxurious yacht.

You'd be wrong to suppose that.

by Anonymousreply 123December 22, 2018 6:55 PM

I just listened to The Wish and remember Bruce's stories about how his mother was always upbeat and positive, never had a bad thing to say about her job, and worked well past when she might have retired. She sounds amazing. I was at Bruce's concert on his 60th or 65th birthday. He brought her out to dance. It was very touching.

by Anonymousreply 124December 22, 2018 7:16 PM

I’m only a few years older than you, r122, and probably played that album every day for a year. It was an LP. He was hot on the inside sleeve photo.

Did everyone catch the Broadway show on Netflix? He sang My Father’s House and The Wish back to back, r124. “If pa’s eyes were windows into a world so deadly and true, you couldn’t stop me from looking but you kept me from crawling through.” Heart-fucking-breaking.

by Anonymousreply 125December 23, 2018 3:09 PM

[quote]Did everyone catch the Broadway show on Netflix?

I'm saving it to watch on Xmas day. Then "You" starts on Dec. 26. A month of Netflix is an Xmas present to myself.

by Anonymousreply 126December 23, 2018 3:30 PM

Bruce should've given Donna Summer "Cover Me" as he originally intended. His manager wanted him to keep it but he could've told him no. Bruce didn't like the song any.way, it wasn't written for him

by Anonymousreply 127December 23, 2018 4:16 PM

Protection is a fun track, though. It's long been rumoured that a Bruce-Donna duet version exists. Who knows? Maybe when Born in the USA gets the same re-release treatment as Darkness and The River. Side note: Bruce Sudano, Donna's husband, is a huge Springsteen fan from way back. He was at the famous Bottom Line concerts.

Ah, all the Bruce could-have-been's: Donna and Cover Me, The Ramones and Hungry Heart, Bette Midler and Pink Cadillac. (Bette did get to do it in concert, though. There's a video.)

by Anonymousreply 128December 23, 2018 4:45 PM

R128 Natalie Cole had the big hit single of Pink Cadillac. Bruce had it on the B Side of one of his hit singles.

by Anonymousreply 129December 23, 2018 8:34 PM

R129 Pink Cadillac.

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by Anonymousreply 130December 23, 2018 8:37 PM

Bette had already recorded Pink Cadillac (for No Frills) when Bruce (or Jon, I don't know) decided not to allow it. He subsequently allowed Natalie to record it, and commented that she made the gender reversal work. As for Bette, she replaced Pink Cadillac with...wait for it...Beast of Burden. A happy ending for everyone.

Personally, I think maybe Bruce didn't care for the Sophie Tucker raunchiness of Bette's take. Not saying he doesn't have a sense of humour. It's just not his style.

Bruce and Bette. My gay worlds are colliding, and only on DL.

(The clip title says 1982. Art or Bust is actually from 1984.)

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by Anonymousreply 131December 23, 2018 9:08 PM

R128, Don't forget Elvis and "Fire"

by Anonymousreply 132December 23, 2018 11:47 PM

Untli post 24 I thought this thread was about Rick Springfield, and I thought, why is anyone surprised? I always get those two mixed up.

by Anonymousreply 133December 24, 2018 12:01 AM

r132 Right!

by Anonymousreply 134December 24, 2018 12:04 AM

You're not really that dumb, r133.

by Anonymousreply 135December 24, 2018 12:05 AM

He is one of those musicians and people that I think is nice, smart, talented and has a body of work that deserves respect - a body of work I respect.

But my response to music is what resonates for me, what rings my bell, so to speak, and his work has never done so.

by Anonymousreply 136December 24, 2018 12:20 AM

He was great until The River album, when he switched his sound to dad rock without nuance and sophistication. Born in the USA was another breakthrough into stadium mediocrity and jingles.

His first three albums were brilliant.

by Anonymousreply 137December 24, 2018 12:24 AM

I didn't like The River, either, r137. But side two of BITUSA is some of my favorite Springsteen ever. "My Hometown" speaks to, shrieks to, my NJ-born soul. And "No Surrender" was a theme song a few of my friends before they died in 1985. An AIDS anthem from Broooooce. Who knew? And "Glory Days" was kind of fun on the surface, and quite painful if you took it deeper. And a lot of us did in that particular year.

And then the Reagan thing.

And "Dancing in the Dark."

And, again, "No Surrender."

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by Anonymousreply 138December 24, 2018 12:32 AM

R137 I would differ a bit with you... I thought The River had some great songs but it was boated and I hated the title song. I loved, loved, loved Born in the USA and Tunnel of Love. After that he’s been a bit hit or miss with me.

by Anonymousreply 139December 24, 2018 12:34 AM

To me, Human Touch/Lucky Town and Working on a Dream have been his only true missteps.

r137 I really don't think the majority of those who bought Born in the USA in 1984 were fans of dad rock, just good old rock and roll. In any case, setting the dividing line at The River ignores the greatness of Nebraska and Tunnel of Love. And to set the dividing line at Born to Run ignores the brilliance of Darkness.

I think many who discount Born in the USA as one of Bruce's best are just hung up on the synthesizer sound, not even on the whole album but just on Dancing in the Dark. And yet that beginning riff has become one of the most recognizable in popular music. Who doesn't want to get up and dance upon hearing it? As r138 testifies, so much of the album is about the text, songs of pain and anger and regret couched in music that conceals and heals. It's too bad that this stylistic choice has become the source of misunderstanding, as of Born in the USA as an anthem rather than a lament. But those who misunderstood just didn't listen.

by Anonymousreply 140December 24, 2018 12:57 AM

Yes, sorry about the mistake with Darkness, a great album.

People love Born but as someone who cherished his first four albums it seemed well, crafted for the hits market. Bruce never had to sell out, he was huge with the other albums.

I dunno, maybe I'm old.

by Anonymousreply 141December 24, 2018 1:05 AM

[quote]People love Born

Which one?

by Anonymousreply 142December 24, 2018 1:13 AM

BTW, thanks to r122 for bumping.

by Anonymousreply 143December 24, 2018 1:14 AM

USA. Born in the Usa.

Bruce was selling out three hour concerts way back in New Jersey, circa 1973.

by Anonymousreply 144December 24, 2018 1:20 AM
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