Harry and that gurl, Meghan, are quitting London and Kensington Palace for THIS

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Good trolling OP. The house is in fact gorgeous.

You happen to know this do you?

What a dump!

They get Frogmoore COTTAGE

William will always be his brother, but MeMe will not always be his wife.

Harry really seemed to jump into marriage. Do you think MM was preggers when they wed? And that's why Eugenie and Jack's wedding was pushed to the Autumn?

I thought they were going to move into the house adjacent to Wills at KP?

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[quote]I thought they were going to move into the house adjacent to Wills at KP?

Yes...which they spent £1.4 million on a refurb.

Of course the Daily Mail readers are blaming Meghan...for everything.

Can't blame them. Although I do hope Harry & William aren't at odds with each other. But if William has inherited any of his father's jealousy I can see how he would be unhappy with Harry's (and Meghan's) huge popularity.

[quote]Their new Home Park residence will also feature a nursery and space for a personal gym and yoga studio — which Meghan has been known to be an avid fan of.

Why does she need a yoga studio if it's just her?

You can do yoga in your bedroom.

R5, Frogmore Cottage is Frogmore House. Frogmore is a present to Harry & Meghan from QEII. It's currently used to house Windsor Castle staff and will undergo a renovation before H&M move in after the baby is born.

And a pretty damn spectacular cottage it is.

Well they better rotate that staff away from Frogmore. The staff is being turned out of nice digs and they won't be so ass licking of their new overlords.

Good for them!

These are two newlyweds, in their 30s, who are expecting their first born. Why on earth would they want to live with relatives, if they don’t have to?

This is what normal people do when they get married. They move out on their own. Can you imagine getting freaky with your wife, knowing your brother, SIL, nieces, nephews, etc., are close by?

Geez. Some of you really have never been in an adult relationship, have you???

I rather imagine the only part of Frogmore the staff who reside there currently have access to are the staff rooms, which more than likely are locked off from the fancy areas. Can you imagine what the scullery maids and lowly footmen would get up to if they had the run of the place?

I wonder if Harry and/or William inherited any of their mother's bipolar traits . . .

How could Meghan have been pregnant when they got married? They have been married 6 months and the baby is due in the spring. That would be one long pregnancy. The Royal Family has always been fodder for gossip in the British rags. The now have a new couple to hound to death in the papers.

Nice crib

The new digs will be large enough so that Meghan's mother can live with them and still be far enough away as to not be "in the way". I wonder if this is what they plan. I've read that Harry adores Meghan's mother.

They go to Frogmore COTTAGE, not Frogmore HOUSE. They are NOT the same.

Look at Kensington message, it's COTTAGE not HOUSE.

You really think they could get Frogmore House??????

I think Doria really embodies that easy, laid-back California vibe - she is even a yoga instructor - and Harry is attracted to that.

Don't underestimate Doria. She spent years working as a social worker with the downtrodden of Los Angeles and is a caring, warm person by all accounts.

Why not the house. HM knows this entire thing is in its death rattle. Why not animate the house with a couple royals again?

Is the new tension between William and Harry true?

And if so: what is the cause of it?

Amen R13. Family is nice but sometimes one needs to breathe!

Frogmore Cottage is NOT Frogmore house.

Will MM bring back circumcision into the RF? Diana put an end to it with Wills and Harry but American MM might bring it back for Harry's line?

He's a PRINCE. Why can't he have the house?

R25 Frogmore House is more of a museum now. Mothballed and rented out for tours and private parties.

I was wrong. FM Cottage & FM House are indeed different buildings. Frogmore Cottage has 10 bedrooms. It may be smaller then Frogmore House, but it's pretty spectacular on its own.

Odd how these two actually resemble each other!

The cottage is not spectacular.

Since Windsor Castle is not part of The Queen's private holdings I assume neither are Frogmore House or Frogmore Cottage. So basically QEII has loaned FM Cottage to Harry & Meghan. I wonder who's paying for the renovation. The Queen or the taxpayers?

"Frogmore" -- yet another ridiculous British place name ... and they are legion.

R9, huge popularity? THESE TWO?!?

Keep on dreaming in sugarland.

R27 just needs to shut the fuck up for once. He knows nothing and is confusing everyone with his misinformed posts.

Another downer, Windsor is VERY near the airport and under the flight path. The Queen kvetches about it to the gardeners.

Just how old is that picture R29? It looks like a daguerreotype from the 1800's. The house couldn't be in too bad a shape currently if people are living there.

Oh yes, eat shit R33.

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LOL at “that gurl Meghan”.

It looks pretty nice to me. I’d rather live in Central London, but that place looks good. Obviously I don’t have the standards of a ROYAL DUCHESS.

And I wouldn’t want to live near the family, either.

The cottage is undergoing extensive repairs and probably will get some new landscaping.

Similar to Kate and Will's apartment, the cottage is part of the the royal estate, and taxpayers will partially fund the renovation.

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DL fave, Princess Michael lives at KP - I wonder....

(I'll say nothing)

Truth be known H&M will keep their digs at Kensington as well, so they'll have a place when they need to be in London. Frankly, I can't imagine Meghan being happy stuck out in the country all the time. William & Kate have that huge grand country estate QEII gave them when they got married. That one also had some major renovations done to it. I remember the alarm set off over the new roof they put on the place.

[quote]Truth be known H&M will keep their digs at Kensington as well, so they'll have a place when they need to be in London.

I think you're right.

Traffic in and out of London these days is NO JOKE.

& Meghan's poor Mom stuck out there all year round. OMG.

Princess Michael Of Kent is a trip. I find her very interesting. One of the few Royals with true class.

The report of tension seems to come from an alleged royal source that spoke to The Sun, so I think it's safe to say you can take it with a huge grain of salt.

[quote]The report of tension seems to come from an alleged royal source that spoke to The Sun, so I think it's safe to say you can take it with a huge grain of salt.

They seem to be rummaging up all sorts of stories at the moment. How difficult and demanding Meghan is etc - now this.

Most of my wealthy friends and clients have 3 or 4 places. The most successful marriages I know are multiple home owners. If they get pissed at each other one can go to another property and chill out.

The boy is pussywhipped. That gal is NOT dickmatized.

R33, you only know what you know based on what I posted on the other thread. Fronting again. You know what you are.

^ Not R27

[quote]you only know what you know based on what I posted on the other thread. Fronting again.

Nonsense.

You're embarrassing yourself.

Go lie down.

"Stuck in the country all the time." Windsor is only 40 minutes from London by car.

[quote]Windsor is only 40 minutes from London by car.

and the rest.

Well, it's best to avoid the traffic if possible. This guy did it in 25 minutes.

[quote]Well, it's best to avoid the traffic if possible

Oh, no - you're kidding.

[quote] This guy did it in 25 minutes.

That was driving outwards in the middle of the day. Try driving in, most times of the day.

^Ignored.

And of course, the Queen makes damn good time.

This is confusing. Are they getting the Cottage AND the House, but are going to live in the Cottage until the renovations of the House are finished?

If they're not getting the House, is no one going to live in it?

R57 They get the COTTAGE NOT THE HOUSE. No way they can have Frogmore House.

They got the cottage and lose Kensington apartment, if they ever got it.

+ They lose their KP cottage but their office is still at KP.

Thank God. I got tired of pounding on the wall when that Blackamoor does her African yoga. My canasta group was appalled at the noises they heard.

[quote]^Ignored. And of course, the Queen makes damn good time.

Glad you're ignoring me you're irritating - with your "damn good time".

[quote]Harry and Meghan will move to Frogmore Cottage, in the grounds of Frogmore House at the Windsor Estate

I'm glad that ginger bastard and his used up bitch are gone.

So they get BOTH the house and the cottage?

Only on Datalounge is a free 10 bed country house a snub.

They are moving to Frogmore Cottage at the Windsor estate, while nearby Frogmore House is undergoing renovation. It seems as though the renovation is unrelated to them moving to Frogmore Cottage.

They don't seem to be getting the whole estate, probably because the House is open a few days during the year for tourists. I would bet they get a large part of the land for themselves, and will surely be landscaping it. It looks in dire need of work, and they'll want some privacy during the tourist days.

Yeah the cottage but before long Sparkle will have an office in that mini palace and regular events and then before long the kids will be in the cottage and the parents in the House

Frogmore Estate is where the royal graveyard is located, too.

Hazza and Meggy are getting literally buried.

LOL.

Let's compare. Amner Hall:

vs. Frogmore Cottage:

[quote]I would bet they get a large part of the land for themselves, and will surely be landscaping it.

Sort of like a Green Acres scenario where the rich guy moves to the country to farm the land and his snooty wife longs to be back in the social life of the city?

Except the rich guy actually worked. I doubt we will see Harry mowing the lawn or milking a cow.

I found a newer picture

They'll obviously feel more private there, without the likes of Princess Michael lurking round every corner. Away from all the tittle-tattle.

According to Wikipedia, the house is used for royal events and gatherings relatively frequently, and contains a treasure trove of mementos and souvenirs from all sorts of members of the royal family. It's clearly considered a special place by the royals.

The cottage is where Harry and Meghan had their wedding reception, so I'm starting to think that this theory that they were kicked out of Kensington Palace and forced into this run-down old shack is way off. Sounds like they had planned on moving here months ago, hence the reception.

Princess Michael's house warming gift

Sorry, the house was used for the reception, not the cottage.

Would be surprised if Meghan wants her mother around for a while after the baby is born. Having a house with extra rooms might feel like a better fit if her mother is going to live with them for a bit.

Wasn't it reported that Harry was living so close to his brother at Kensinton so that he could be an active part of his neice's and nephew's lives?

R72, LMAO. Compared to the other houses in use by the other royals? That about sums it up accurately. Hell, Edward's place is a fucking palace by comparison:

No r29 it's not spectacular but it looks like a home and perhaps that's how they'd like to feel about their place. Like it is a real home.

[quote][R57] They get the COTTAGE NOT THE HOUSE. No way they can have Frogmore House.

But the dailymail writes that "Frogmore House, which was a gift from the Queen to Harry and Meghan, is currently undergoing a multi-million pound refurbishment"

Is this not correct? Or the Queen gave the House to them, but they just can't take up residence in it?

Andrew's country house at WIndsor:

They probably get all the revenue from Frogmore House and it's probably wiser to keep it as a money making property so they don't actually have to get jobs.

Harry is the monarch's grandson, not her son.

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Poor Harry. You stupid ginger, you were always adorable.

Edward better cross his fingers and hope he won't be forced to move to a smaller place when Charles becomes king. I wouldn't be surprised if Charles didn't strongly suggest a much smaller home for Harry.

Stop it, r80. The gift is mentioned three times in the article, twice as being Frogmore Cottage. Obviously, the one time they said it was the House, it was a mistake. Let it go. It's the Cottage.

I would not want to live in a house with the royal graveyard 50 meters away. Especially since both the Duke of Windsor and Wallis "That Woman" Simpson are buried there.

And of course, here's Charle's Highgrove. Compared to everyone else's "country houses,' I think that Harry and Meghan damned well SHOULD have been given the HOUSE and not the cottage.

Highgrove

Can you even IMAGINE all the treasures crammed into these houses ? Not to mention what must be tucked away in cellars and attics. Theres probably stuff in trunks or cupboards that hasnt been seen in 100 years ! Theres no telling what theyd find if they started rooting around.

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Nicer pic in The Telegraph.

(still not great)

Better article too.

Why is Harry being punished?

And the Frogmore Estate, which contains the House, the Cottage, and the family graveyard, is named after the swarms of frogs that live there. Sent to live in the Cemetary amid the frogs.

Here's a video - I think the cottage appears at the end, from a different angle.

According to the Telegraph article at r93 there is tension between H&M and W&K.

Maybe the loonies on the Dangling Tendrils threads are right. Maybe Meghan is a handful and stirring things up.

Are the royals only allowed to live in properties already owned by the Queen (or Crown)? They do have the money to buy a huge mansion or build a new palace if they wanted to. Is it forbidden?

Girls from broken homes marrying into the family can be either a blessing or a curse. They will either embrace the new whole family dynamic, appreciating what a real family is supposed to be, OR they will bring all their personal baggage into the fold (Diana) and start wreaking havoc in due course. Tension exists where there wasn't any before. Meghan.

[quote]Are the royals only allowed to live in properties already owned by the Queen (or Crown)? They do have the money to buy a huge mansion or build a new palace if they wanted to. Is it forbidden?

Yes, they can.

The Queen built one for Andrew & Fergie which was left derelict.

[quote]Tension exists where there wasn't any before. Meghan.

And fueling that tension is immature, it sounded like a good idea at the time Ginger. Who's trying to ease things for Megs by deferring to her wishes. Which is simply further fueling tension, since Megs is as immature and devoid of sound judgement as Ginger.

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The name Frogmore is vintage Evelyn Waugh.

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Bette? What say YOU?

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Sarah (and Andrew's somehow?) enormous chalet in Verbier

Well r99 I think you also have to consider that being American with American attitudes is more than enough to create tension. I think that is more at play than family stuff. Could you imagine yourself in a position with a royal family to play yourself down in order to not seem too full of yourself or to be in proper attitude toward a royal? I couldn't.

Personally I would have a struggle to not say at some point "I don't give a shit how royal you are. . ." I pay proper respect in public but don't expect me to bend my self esteem too far backwards for you. Kiss MY motherfucking ring!

Well maybe that's why you're still unmarried, R108.

It sounds to me that the Queen is giving one ongoing, perpetual Royal slap-down. The names "Duchess of Sussex (success?), Dumbarton, KILkeel. Perhaps Charles will make things right after the Queen passes to that big palace in the sky in 30 years (sarcasm). Meghan, Meghan, Meghan. You're supposed to chill and be humble while you wait for those Royal goodies to come your way. Should NEVER be demanding. Fucking up Royally. "WHATEVER MEGHAN WANTS, MEGHAN GETS!!" - how very telling. Meghan, you in danguh, girl!

R68 Does the asymettry of Anmer Hall bother anyone else?

The windows aren't evenly spaced.

Wiliam's dick is asymmetrical

These British Royal Family palaces, houses, cottages and apartments are hovels compared to what we Romanovs and senior Russian nobles had in our time.

Hovels, I tell you!

I'm gay.

Marriage was never part of my social programming r109.

That ski chalet is fabulous and I want it.

DALLAS never would have worked if Pam and Bobby had moved out.

Sure, she'd be alive and they'd still be together and happy.

R82 You must be new to this game. Any money earned by Frogmore wouldn't go to Haz and Megs personally. Nor will they ever need to get jobs.

R24 I'm sure Meghan is used to Harry's foreskin and she's arguably more Canadian than American. Many Canadian millennials were not circumcised, particularly in Ontario, after socialized medicine was introduced.

You don't think Harry will protect his son's peen from mutilation?

You can always tell a thread is over when the hilarious penis jokes start arriving.

MM Mm mm! When the Queen is pissed off, she's really pissed off!

Please don't roll me through the mud and frogs!

It seems this matter is being batted around quite a bit, and is more like a negotiation than a gift.

Picky, picky.

They just pointed out on the news that nothing else is available.

What happens when Meghan starts missing her homeland? Which she will, if not now, then in ten years. Will arrangements be made so she can spend a couple of weeks in the US every year?

r125 She and Harry can visit Canada and then swing by the US for a visit afterwards or before.

Meghan is to the Royal Family what Yoko Ono was to the Beatles.

This will end in tears.

Why, you ask, does the queen regularly snub Harry?

Even Harry's residence at KP, the two bedroom cottage, was laughable compared to the magnificent KP apartments enjoyed by the Queen's cousins.

How embarrassing to be presented with another cottage and this one occupied by the help!

Can't these people buy their own fucking house? Why does the Queen bequeath them all homes, which the tax payers fund to renovate. It's ridiculous.

Considering the fact that it's well known Harry is the favorite of the 2 brothers with QEII, I seriously doubt that the gift of Frogmore Cottage is any sort of slight. I'm sure by the time H&M move in it will be a very fitting Royal residence.

I do find it interesting that William and Meghan are ditching the original plan and moving further away from William and Kate. Clearly there is some tension, they think it best to have a little distance,

Of course, I wouldn't want to live next door to my sister so I guess I can't blame them.

r130 No, they can't buy their own homes. With the exception of Charles & The Queen the remainder are cash poor. Some like Harry & Wills have assets which give them an income but if they touch the capital their income will reduce. The Queen is loaning the Sussexes Frogmore Cottage instead of buying them a property which is interesting.

r131 Frogmore Cottage is close to the Graveyard and was last used by servants (converted into 5 flats). I find it curious that this was apparently the only property available for the sussexes.

This article says H&M have never moved out of their initial residence at Kensington known as "Nottingham Cottage" into the new grand apartment at Kensington, reportedly renovated for them. They are still in Nottingham Cottage and will stay there until Frogmore Cottage is ready for them.

Drafty old houses are nothing unusual for the Royals. My God, the Queen herself has to use electric space heaters all over her private rooms at Buckingham Palace just to stay warm. Lilibet is the Queen of frugality.

AND r135, what is up with that damned purse? She always has it within her reach. Is there a gun and a cyanide pill in it in case the revolution starts?

r134 The reason H&M never moved into the apartment is because it is currently occupied by the Gloucesters, who were never going to move and a statement was issued to that effect.

Grandma, where are OUR houses?

Oh, dear. Harry most certainly is not the Queen's favorite. What utter nonsense.

Electric space heaters are extremely wasteful. They're costly to run and once you turn them off that's it for heat.

Will and Kate's apartment at Kensington was staff offices until the big renovation. The fact that Frogmore Cottage is currently staff quarters doesn't mean Meghan and Harry are getting the servant's hall.

There very well could be tension between the couples, but even if there isn't, I wouldn't blame Meghan for wanting her own place away from the in-laws. Also, Will and Kate stayed in the country for the first few years of their marriage before moving into the big apartment at KP, so it's possible the same will happen for Meghan and Harry. When Charles becomes king and moves into Buckingham Palace, then Kate and Wills will have Clarence House and apartment 1A at KP could be given to the Sussexes. That might be the long-term plan. (If Charles moves into BP, as I've heard rumors he intends to stay at CH and use BP for official events only.)

Didn't Andrew's 2 heifer daughters once live in Nottingham Cottage? Or maybe one of them? I remember reading she (or they) had to pay market rent on the place when they lived there.

R118 More Canadian than American? Actually no that's not arguable.

*I know that Apt. 1A was originally Princess Margaret's, but in the years between her death and William and Kate's arrival, it was used as offices.

Whatever abode Harry and his wife get will not be a gift. They get to live there but don't own it. Can't sell it. Can't rent it. Doesn't belong to them. And they don't get to choose it.

Like the tiara, it's all about what the Queen chooses to loan.

Wouldn't it make sense for Harry and Meghan to have a country place AND a London place? Most Royals do. If they don't get along with Kate and Wills, there are Royal apartments at St. James' Palace, I believe.

Isn't William & Kate's current digs at Kensington actually Diana's old apartment? The very apartment were W&H pretty much grew up?

Of course they all can buy their own homes or the Queen could purchase homes for them.

But why do this when you can keep your money safely invested and accruing interest while the public pays for your lavish lodgings?

No, R147, Apt. 1A was Princess Margaret's. Diana's apartment was on the other side of the courtyard (No. 8 & 9). Why they couldn't give Meghan and Harry Diana's old place is a mystery, as it's only used for offices right now.

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With sirens blaring and the peons obliged to pull over to stop Harry and Meghan will barely notice the short commute to London from Frogmore Cottage.

Once again: Harry is the GRANDSON to the sovereign, not the SON. He does not get as nice a house as Charles, Anne, Andrew, and Edard do while the queen is alive.

William gets a much nicer home than his brother and gets a home the equivalent of his father, aunts, and uncles because he is one day heir to the throne, and his children are heirs to the throne after him.

Harry is simply not as important as William in the grand scheme of things. Being equally fair to all your grandchildren goes out the window when you're talking royalty and succession.

Harry will likely get a much nicer house than Frogmore Cottage when his father succeeds to the throne and he becomes more important as son to the monarch rather than grandson to the monarch. But until then, he's lucky to get Frogmore Cottage. He is neither the child of the sovereign nor likely as a younger grandson to ever inherit the throne.

This is what used to gall Princess Margaret. She used to be second in line to the throne, but as time went on she became further and further down the succession. and therefore became much less important

Dataloungers, naturally, want royal houses to be allocated according to who is the most physically attractive.

I wonder if Edward's children will get apartments in Kensington Palace or houses when they get older.

Please stop comparing the homes occupied by the four children of Her Majesty to the little house to be occupied by one of Her Majesty’s many grandchildren. Of course it is not as fine.

There's something comforting about the utterly impossible standards of DLrs. They'll always find the shabby corner in a palace and the flaw in a man who could technically rate as a 9.9998.

Harry is more important to the future of the Royal family than Charles' younger siblings due to his ongoing popularity with the public. Also, he's not a grandson the way Peter Phillips is a grandson: He's the future son and brother of a monarch. The smallness of the house IS surprising.

I don't understand the appeal of living in a palace, or even a mansion, for that matter. Not that I'm likely to ever have the opportunity! But even if I won the lottery, I wouldn't want to live in a house that size. Why would anyone need so many rooms? What would you do with them all? It wouldn't even feel like a real home, IMO.

154 No. Edward's children are too far down the line and they are also young. They will be like Anne's children living in cottages on Edward and Sophie's estate. Edward's son, James, will likely inherit Edward's title (Earl of Wessex and/or Duke of Edinburgh if he gets is), so he will get the house. Lady Louise will have to marry like Beatrice and Eugenie but won't have the HRH Princess baggage to deal with.

Was Queen Charlotte the one with a darker complexion? Geez. Well, I suppose Meghan might like that.

R157 Peter Phillips got no house from her Majesty. He is living on a cottage on his mother's estate. He also needed to sell the rights to wedding to _Hello!_ to have it.

So, that Meghan girl and Sarah, Duchess of York, will nearly be neighbors. Grand Auntie will be babysitting.

Harry may be the second most important grandchild to the public, but that does not place him on the same level as the Queen’s children in terms of Royal homes.

The shady Daily Mail had to point out that Queen Victoria's Munshi, Karin Abdul, lived in Frogmore Cottage.

Living in the boring suburban countryside is so unappealing compared to civilization and the activity of London.

Frogmore Cottage is very close to Windsor Castle. The Queen spend a lot of time with Edward’s wife Sophie who also lives on the Windsor Estate. Perhaps the Queen wants Meghan nearby.

R161 Poor Peter Phillips. My guess is he's the only one of the queen's grandchildren to be circumcised. At the time of his birth, still royal/posh enough to get snipped but not royal enough to get the house and other benefits his cousins are getting. Of course Diana stopped the cutting with Will and Harry. James was probably born enough time later that snipping was out of style.

Maybe they want a smaller starter house.

That's so true, R166. Now that MM is pregnant, she and Harry will get a few years out of the spotlight in the country to raise their family like Will and Kate did. Of course Will was working as a flight surgeon---what will Harry do in place of ribbon cutting for those few years?

If one doesn't have the freedom to move about London normally it can be hellish locked up in Kensington Palace with all the Queen's decrepit cousins.

This could be to get their own social media accounts. The Kensington Palace accounts have been the official accounts of both William and Harry and their wives. However, anti-Meghan posters have been going there to slam literally everything this girl does, be it launching a cookbook to support families of the Grenfell tragedy, speaking out on women's rights, or simply hugging children. Comments are always pitting Kate and Meghan against each other; Kensington Palace could literally post three days of William and Kate activity, but post one Meghan photo and it becomes the "Meghan Markle fan account". It got so bad that the account has now started deleting negative comments (I'm pretty sure Meghan's doing this herself -- this started happening after her assistant's sudden departure). Their own accounts would mean folks that want "All Kate, all the time" posts can stay with the KP accounts and need never see or hear about Meghan again.

London's probably a prison for them now they're so famous and hi-profile. Meghan can hardly walk her dogs in Kensington Gardens....or run out to Wholefoods or Waitrose. No wonder they're doing this.

I suspect she thinks she should have people to do those things for her, R172.

I seem to remember another story some months ago about the Sussex duo getting that supposedly haunted residence that was a favorite of one of the kings (he grew up there) but hated by everyone else in the family. Can't remember the name of the place.

Doubt that Harry's wife will like the country.

I suppose this means their current country set (Soho House) will be farther away and no more pap strolls in London with curiously close by photographers nearby. She never saw a camera she didn't look for.

I assume there is security keeping an eye on the place already and that visitors must go through a gate of some sort.

Easier to keep track in incoming strangers.

R171, that makes a lot of sense. I really don’t care for Meghan one single bit, but why should Will and Harry have to share everything?

I sincerely doubt that Meghan wants to be out of the spotlight. She may tire of it eventually, but I think she still loves it.

[quote]Now that MM is pregnant, she and Harry will get a few years out of the spotlight

Have you just awakened from a coma? MM craves the spotlight. She probably wants the country house so she can dump Doria and the baby and head up to London.

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Harry is loosing his popularity that same way that Wills did, by losing his hair, which has been shedding in clumpfuls since he met his Markle. He is now a henpecked dimwit, with a heap of Nazi Nudism on the side.

How on earth can anyone with eyes who has observed Meghan's antics from day ONE, and the nonstop narrative spam she pumps out 24/7, can imagine she doesn't want the spotlight. As Warren Beatty said about Madonna in the Truth or Dare documentary, Smeg doesn't want to breathe off camera.

Curiously, though, Meghan has somehow not been papped in London since the wedding, even though reputedly she is at Nott Cott. Then came the stories that she and Haz rented a Cotswolds place (a/k/a gratis bunking in at Soho House), which is why she was not seen out and about EVER.

When she and Harry were having their undercover whatever, pre-engagement, with her trolling her instagram, she was papped - studiously so. Her outfit "curated" as they say, on brand bag logos facing the camera. Her bad acting and self-awareness gave things away as staged. But since the wedding? Nothing, except for the arranged pap shot of her landing in Chicago. Paps don't hang out at O'Hare looking for Meghan Markle. She called them.

When did she go to Chicago? I thought it was Toronto?

Why is he still wearing/merching that stupid ring?

[quote]r174 I assume there is security keeping an eye on the place already and that visitors must go through a gate of some sort. Easier to keep track in incoming strangers.

And relatives...

Stupid to quote stupid.

It is telling that HM is NOT buying the Sussexes ANY digs but will only gift them a lease (rent) on some random crown property, unlike W&K who do personally own the properties that were given them by the Queen. Lillibet will leave it to Charles what property H&M may get in future. Also, the marriage has not proved itself yet for stability and longevity (10+ years and counting), that timing will coincide with Charles having already ascended the throne for some years and Harry being firmly ensconced as a son of the monarch.

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They sure build some ginormous "cottages" over there.

Kensington Palace has confirmed the Duke and Duchess of Sussex will moving into Frogmore COTTAGE early next year as their "official residence;" their offices, however, will remain in KP.

The last straw was Meg telling the Queen "she better watch her cracker ass".

[quote] I have no idea why that plan didn't pan out, unless it was just a rumor to begin with.

Most likely because William and Kate's home is close to Sandringham. As is York Cottage. W&K don't want the Sussex duo so close.

Much better around Windsor. Nice and Close to Prince Andrew. Who some believe leaked the Tiara Gate story in revenge over Sparkle's mean girl "Look, I'm pregnant" stunt at Eugenie's wedding.

Andrew is probably polishing up his binoculars even as we speak.

R187, why do they have offices in King of Prussia? That's pretty far.

Well, every article I've read about them moving into Frogmore COTTAGE states that the home will undergo "a multi million pound renovation" before they take up residence there. For multi million, I expect some straight up HGTV Flip or Flop devastatingly shocking transformation to occur. As it stands now, that place is a MESS!

Charles has long ago made it known that he intends to reduce the Monarchy once he ascends. All these grandchildren of QEII who'll continue to be reduced in ranking will eventually be cut out. In fact many already have. I don't think either of Andrew's daughters get any financial support or free housing from the Queen. And I seriously doubt that any of Anne's or Edward's do or will, once they come of age. All those kids are meaningless to the Monarchy now, and will become even more meaningless as time goes on. Harry is a major selling point for the Monarchy, and the Queen knows it. He's loved the world over. He'll enjoy greatly elevated status well into his middle age or until he decides he's had enough and retires from his Royal duties. He's worth somewhere in the range of $25 million on his own, and will get much more wealthy, especially when Charles dies. It's not like he needs any support from the Queen even at this point.

[quote] Electric space heaters are extremely wasteful. They're costly to run and once you turn them off that's it for heat.

Yes, if you're trying to heat a 2 bedroom bungalow with them. But they're a lot cheaper than running the furnaces to keep a place like Buckingham Palace warm and toasty all over.

What do you see him doing to fill his time, R192?

It isn't like the Queen is paying the power bill at Buck Palace or Windsor Castle. She's probably not paying at Balmoral either, and she's never at Sandringham any more. Crank it up, Lilibet, as far as it will go!

Because Frogmore House (and ostensibly Frogmore Cottage) are grade listed homes they have to submit approval from the historic planning commission. The multi-million dollars that have been mentioned were allocated to Frogmore House and that is a widely-known ongoing restoration. The Cottage in contrast does not currently have something like that on the docket but it is likely in the works in light of the recent announcement.

The Queen get's funding from the Soveriegn Grant to cover her expenses but if her costs go over she will have to cover it from her own coffers, so she may well be paying the utility bill.

R194 The same things he does now. Traveling the world representing Britain. Face it, of the Royal Family the only one people would probably rather see more than Harry is QEII, and she's 154 years old. Her days of being on the road constantly are over. Charles isn't getting any younger so he's going to need all the help he can get from William and Harry promoting Britain and British goods. When William ascends he'll rely more on his own children to represent Britain. By then Harry will be well into his middle age and will very likely be slowing down himself.

Frogmore Cottage, as pictured, reminds me a of a late 60s posh hippie commune house. It looks like it reeks of damp, pot, sex, fags, and rancid cups of milky tea.

Queen Mary lived there at one time, so there may be some good loot stashed about. Queen May was a notorious magpie.

A poster upthread brings up a good point. ALL of these people have their own PERSONAL fortunes at their disposal. ALL of them. At issue is their free-loading ways, and "right" to suckle from the tax-payers tit. Being typical rich people, however, they'll go ahead and let someone else pick up the tab if that someone else will do it for them. Andrew has 75M, and both his girls have 5M each, for example. The others have tens of millions as well.

R135 That picture you posted was of Balmoral, in Scotland. I do not believe those are in use at the palace.

You say that like it is a bad thing, R199! MeMe and Doria may love that and feel at home.

Balmoral and Sandringham are the Queen's private residences. All the costs for those estates are footed by her, not the taxpayers. She spends every Christmas at Sandringham, which is well known to be her favorite residence. She spends her summer holiday at Balmoral. She spends most weekends at Windsor.

When she dies I assume Charles will inherit both estates. I then wonder, when he dies, if the two estates will be split between William and Harry.

This shit about calling their family groups and friends "courts" shows too many viewings of The Tudors and ignorance of the paltriness and low styles of these kids.

Charles barely maintains anything that could be called a "court."

Knock off the highfalutin' language. PR crap about royals is not a Plantagenet eminence.

r204. No William will get it all as Sovereign.

There's an agreement within the family that Balmoral and Sandringham always go to the heir to the throne, R204. This caused trouble when Edward VIII abdicated, as his brother George VI had to buy the estates back from him for a pretty penny.

How on earth is Andrew worth $75M?

This is The Queen greeting High Commissioner of Australia Mike Rann and his wife Sasha at Buckingham Palace. Notice the space heater burning bright in front of the fireplace.

[quote] Harry is more important to the future of the Royal family than Charles' younger siblings due to his ongoing popularity with the public.

He's popular right now, but he won't always be. He will lose his looks the way his uncles did and not be considered as important when all the attention given to him recently because of his glamorous marriage and his first child inevitably dissipate.

Windsors are famous for having a period of being extremely good-looking that inevitably fades. William, Andrew, and Edward will extremely attractive for a few years and then were no longer; even Philip, the best looking of all of them, lost his looks. This will inevitably happen to Harry, who is already balding.

She's a thrifty ol' gal. She knows the value of a pound.

It ALL passes to the next in line. The abdication created a big problem because QEII's father, Geroge VI, had to buy both Balmoral and Sandringham back from the Duke of Windsor after the abdication. It is not known how much he had to pay. They were legally the Duke's properties as part of his inheritance.

As I said, Harry will be high up on the totem pole until William's children get old enough to take over the hard work.

The space heater is rally naff. One would think there'd be flying ducks on the walls as well.

I went to Sandringham in the 80s. They had a big collection of things HM had been gifted on her travels around the world. It was like visiting the tackiest international souvenir shop you could ever imagine. I hope it's still there and twice the size.

Does Her Majesty keep douche bags at Sandringham, Balmoral and Windsor Castles? Or does she feel obliged for the sake of taxpayers to carry only the one to and fro the royal residences?

You don't think they'd put out the really nice gifts she's received for the hoi polloi to see, do you? The nice things are locked away in safes.

I've been to Sandringham and seen York Cottage, from the outside. I think that story was always made up. The place has no privacy. It is quite close to the big house. A lot of the year Sandringham is open to tourists, to help fund it as it is private property so comes out of their actual pockets. York House never made sense.

Many years ago when the Monarchy had been notified by the government that costs simply had to be reduced and the Monarchy started the period of frugality that exists to this day I read an article about the changes put into place at Buckingham Palace. The water bill at Buck House had become so staggering that the Queen had signs put up in all the loos staff used that said "NO PULL FOR A PEE". She didn't want the toilets flushed every time someone just took a pisser. At some point you know those loos had to start reeking, especially in the warm months.

By all reports Meghan and Harry will not have a separate social media account, but be incorporated into St. James/BP. That will, of course, be what they want - one of the group, not seen to be dominating a court social media.

It has been noted elsewhere that it is inefficient and bizarre to have 3 separate palaces and courts - BP, CP (or St. James) and KP. Consolidating as much as possible the non-heirs makes sense. There is no reason for Harry/Meghan to be separate. Now the only separate ones will be the sovereign and future sovereigns.

I'm not so sure I agree with the characterization that KP is more Kate-centric but let Meghan be mentioned and Kate fans accuse it of being pro-Meghan. It has really been all about Meghan and at times has used suspiciously American spelling and wordiness. Not to mention, Meghan's Mirror - read their background and they are connected to Jessica Mulroney via corporate entities and representation - AND they self-assert they have a very good relationship with KP, so you know what that means. They're her merching arm. Recently the two women who run it, who have not even met each other (they say) and operate on separate coasts, thought it was ok to say that people are "deserting Kate for Meghan" and "buying into the Meghan theme." That tells us all we need to know about Meghan's attitude.

As said on a previous page, Meghan is competing and thinks there's another role to acquire, another person to beat out, and that person is Kate. But no promotion is possible. She can't help herself though.

It didn't make sense R218 but it doesn't take a genius to know that Meghan was eager to narrate that the BRF was about to gift her and Harry with a suitable residence. She threw a lot of shit on the wall to see what sticks.

It helps her in the short term that more than one "royal journalist" on twitter thinks the job of the royal is to pander to the media. They see no reason why a royal shouldn't stop and pose a la red carpet when arriving at an event. To do so defeats the point of the event, as the ignominous recent tour demonstrated, but this is lost on some royal reporters. As is often the case in the media, sucking up to individuals in the media pays dividends even if one sucks at the rest of their job, because as with many jobs, the people plying the trade think it's about them.

Does Tendrils really think her freckled ginger-mulatto babies stand a chance competing with George, Charlotte, and the other Real English Roses coming out of Kate's uterus?

People blathering about the relationship between W&K and H&M as if they knew even one scintilla of anything about them is bewildering. All 4 of them probably sit together and laugh their asses off at all the know nothing idiots the world over who like to think they actually know what goes on behind their closed doors.

R219, how does one reconcile that sort of economy with the report that Charles spent on million on private planes in the past year? Is it because he pays for it out of the Duchy?

Harry will have a special place in the public's mind for a long time due to his status as the son of Princess Diana. It will take people a long time to forget the little boy walking behind his mother's coffin. Call it JFK Jr. Syndrome. It will pass eventually, of course, as younger generations may not care all that much about Diana. But for the next 20 years or so, he's golden.

I will be curious to see what Meghan and Harry do with Frogmore Cottage. It looks like no small project to undertake because frankly, that place looks rather downtrodden and, well, a right dump compared to the other options that were bandied about.

Kate and William do not own their apartment at Kensington Palace nor do they own Anmer Hall. Kensington Palace is an official royal residence, so managed by the Royal Household. The State Apartments at KP are managed by a charity, Historic Royal Palaces. Anmer is a house on the Sandringham Estate. Big estate properties have houses and cottages all over them. It was not unusual for houses to be build for widows, etc. and for estate employees. Anmer was on land acquired. Anmer was previously leased or rented. The Duke and Duchess of Kent used to live there until 1990. People who live in places like that live there like they own it, but they don't in this instance. It belongs to the estate.

R215, according to Tina Brown's book on the royals (or maybe it was Kitty Kelly's? I've read both), when Queen Elizabeth was a princess/heir apparent AND when she was a young queen and she visited the commonwealth, many commonwealth countries, in an excess of pride, "gifted" her with priceless treasures. Diamonds. Historical artifacts. But lots and lots of jewelry. These are poor countries. I am actually appalled that the BRF didn't have the sense to put out word, prior to the visit, that there would be plenty of opportunities to show honor and demonstrate pride without raiding the national treasury in order to bestow gifts upon an already fabulously wealthy monarch. A generation later and several governments apparently put in requests to BRF that the "gifts" be returned, and they were.

I think Harry's nudity in Vegas, his Nazi get up, and his current marriage have tarnished his gold. Sure, a whole bunch of fraus see the little boy, but I read Nazi and Vegas just as frequently.

When Harry inherits Althorp he and Duchess Meghan will become Duke and Duchess Spencer as Diana's heir, so they will outstrip William and Kat.

[quote]I am actually appalled that the BRF didn't have the sense to put out word, prior to the visit, that there would be plenty of opportunities to show honor and demonstrate pride without raiding the national treasury in order to bestow gifts upon an already fabulously wealthy monarch.

Which is why they're still royalty, doll, and you never will be.

Fortunes, like sausages, are not something you want to see being made.

R224 Don't believe everything you read about those people. I have little doubt a great deal of it is exaggerated to the fullest by the media.

WTF, R229? That's very silly.

It is not,R232. I read it on Tumblr which knows far about Royalty than this board. Meghan deserves a better palace and better tiaras and she will get them b/cshe is ALREADY. the people's princess2.

[quote] I think Harry's nudity in Vegas, his Nazi get up, and his current marriage have tarnished his gold.

Hardly! If anything those little missteps made people love him that much more because they see him as a normal human being with faults. A lad just making the typical mistakes most lads do until they grow up. The only people who thought any less of Harry because of those escapades are people whose attitudes and opinions couldn't matter any less.

[quote] I read it on Tumblr which knows far about Royalty than this board.

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LO FUCKING L!

I agree the Vegas trip and the costumes didn't harm him all that much.

[quote] I will be curious to see what Meghan and Harry do with Frogmore Cottage.

Since it is a listed property, any changes must be approved by the planning commission.

[quote]When Harry inherits Althorp he and Duchess Meghan will become Duke and Duchess Spencer as Diana's heir, so they will outstrip William and Kat.

It's hard to tell whether this is good old fashioned DL sarcasm now that these threads are under siege from the Meghan nutters.

So what your saying is that Harry is going to have Charles Spencer's son, Louis Spencer, Viscount Althorp, assassinated?

R229 what in the world are you talking about? Harry is not in line to inherit Althorp and never will be.

Harry and Meghan will probably have very little to do with the actual renovations. They might get to pick some colors or something, but the Royals surely have experts who handle the real details.

R229 / R233 Harry is not inheriting Althorp, it was inherited by Diana's brother as the 9th Earl of Spencer. It is one of his 7 children that will inherit the title and the property - Louis Spencer. You shouldn't believe everything you read on tumblr.

Louis Frederick John Spencer is the heir to Althorp, not Harry. He is the eldest son of Diana's brother, Charles, the current Earl of Althorp. He is an Earl, not a Duke. An earl is a few rungs below a duke.

Earl Spencer is famous for, among other things, complaining about being house poor. He claims his stepmother Reine caused many valuable chattel to disappear prior to the Earl's death. The place is a beast to heat and maintain, and although it is open for tours, they are the same as many noble families with massive piles - they live in a small portion of the house.

This isn't a TASTEFUL FRIENDS authentic OP is it?

Now that Harry has Althorpde— During the summer months, Harry is going to open up the island where his mother is buried. Marble will do a voice over and tribute song to play on a loop on the tram ride to the island.

Yes, and if Louis Spencer and his younger brother Edmund were both run over by a bus, the title still wouldn't go to any of the Spencer daughters. Charles' father was an only son, so they'd have to go to way up the line to the offspring of Charles' great-uncles, Cecil and George, to find a new Earl.

A link to Elliot, The Royal Reviewer's live Podcast if anyone cares to visit. Live right now - Frogmore COTTAGE is the subject of discussion.

[quote]As I said, Harry will be high up on the totem pole until William's children get old enough to take over the hard work.

Take it from me - he's already being knocked down on a daily basis

I can't recall if it was discussed on this thread or the other one, but I withdraw my skepticism about the mosque/Meghan. I think she was just self-aggrandizing as usual, but as it turns out the Hubb kitchen leases its space from Al Mansaar. I see no reason why Al Mansaar shouldn't get some positive publicity for itself by leasing space to Hubb. I do not subscribe to "Muslim = terrorist." However, it does beg the question why monies from the book were used to renovate a leased space that was already perfectly serviceable as a kitchen.

Here's the before.

R244 I think you are selling Beanie short. She'll dress a la Diana and recreate Diana's most "iconic" moments. There will be a slide show highlighting Diana interspersed with her modern day doppelganger, Buckaroo, carrying on in Diana's image.

r248 you make a good point - why renovate a leased space, the renovation ultimately benefits Al Mansaar and the hub kitchen only for as long as they are based there? IMO it would have been better to do something to benefit the women themselves that could be used in the long term e.g. development opportunities, funding small grants, projects etc. It just underlines that this entire thing was not properly considered and lends credence to the theories that she was doing this under the radar. It's all very superficial.

[quote]Yes, and if Louis Spencer and his younger brother Edmund were both run over by a bus, the title still wouldn't go to any of the Spencer daughters. Charles' father was an only son, so they'd have to go to way up the line to the offspring of Charles' great-uncles, Cecil and George, to find a new Earl.

Cecil Spencer died young and childless, so the Earldom would go to George's son, Captain George Cecil Robert Maurice Spencer, b. 1932, so currently a very old man, if he's still living (a quick Google search was not helpful). No idea if he has sons or not. In any case, since the smoking hot Louis and his brother are unlikely to get run over anytime soon, it's a moot point.

[quote]Harry and Meghan will probably have very little to do with the actual renovations. They might get to pick some colors or something, but the Royals surely have experts who handle the real details.

Anybody want to take bets on when we'll start seeing articles that Meghan, with all of her project management savvy, is spending the later months of her pregnancy overseeing and directing the renovation? Given her machinations, It's not a matter of if, but when.

Meghan has Project Management savvy? She's a control freak and a hot mess. That does not = savvy. She seems to have attention deficit issues as she attempts ambitious things but they come out half assed always. Someone project management savvy should be able to dress herself.

Where are the full frontal naked pics of Harry?!

From August 2012 to May 2018, Harry cleaned up his act and paid big money to hide those pics.

It was sarcasm, R253. Do you really need an [insert sarcasm] hint? Have you been rendered irony free from the invasion of Tumblr dingbats?

Didn’t Soames Forsyte live there?

Raise your hands, Harry.

Harry's royal arse

Elton John also lives in Windsor.

Trust me - he'll be inviting them over in no time.

^Meant to add that I fully believe she will take credit for "project management" and spin that yarn in a leak to the press.

Elton's house at Windsor.

[quote] Anybody want to take bets on when we'll start seeing articles that Meghan, with all of her project management savvy, is spending the later months of her pregnancy overseeing and directing the renovation?

Nope.

She doesn’t want to be that kind of Royal. She is the social issues member of the royal family, Grenville, reggae radio, touring minority communities, meeting with minorities in Britain and from the commonwealth.

A woman doing a job that has traditionally been done by men is a "social issue."

That market snafu does not really play to that, R262.

How do H&M pr reconcile this turn of events? Dare we infer a message here? Her Majesty The Queen does bequeath to her grandson and spouse this dump of a property within the royal crown estate Frogmore as the Sussex official residence; heretofore utilized as bunk quarters for the help. Is the subtext that Meghan and Harry demonstratively show their appreciation and humility for this generous gift and *maybe* in 10 years time when they have established a record of serving the firm with modesty and restraint, maybe they will be rewarded with something nicer down the road?

That's certainly one possible reading, R265. The Queen rarely says anything, but she sure knows how to send a message. And as usual, she's doing it via a title, a tiara, or a property.

Yep, R266 HM and her courtiers are absolute champs at communicating in code. And this dump speaks volumes. That it's located on the same land where Wallis is buried is a particularly piquant touch.

I'm sure Meghan will be more comfortable in these humble surroundings. The backyard is perfect for chicken coops and a watermelon patch.

The full frontal pics have actually been published on data lounge. Usually on the web they blur it out, because they are out there, because there was his penis semi-erect for all to see, no hands covering it. Posters here remarked he was reasonably well endowed - could be thicker, but length-wise he's doing all right.

LINK! Pretty please r269?

Not much of a butt, though.

I wish I had a link but I'd have to hunt it down. For what it's worth, the discussion centered on whether the petite person behind Harry, whom he bent over in another pic, was male or female. Consensus was female, but I don't know. The actual dick pics were in that same thread. Only one, semi-erect, nothing to be embarrassed about length wise. Same angle as the one of him covering his goods. I suspect he made sure someone got a good pic of the goods, as likely he's proud of it, and then covered his nether regions as if he just realized the camera was there. If he didn't know the camera was there, why on earth would he be putting his hands over his dick. He was butt naked; he wasn't partying with his hands over his jewels. He knew he was being photographed. Then was "oh my stars, henceforth phones shall be confiscated when I party!"

R272 Was a foreskin visible?

r272 You must sacrifice for your fellow DL members. Get to hunting!

Frogmore hey? She does like them more French I suppose I am right to say?

Rear shot of the finished Anmer Hall. I think that Harry's new house is going to get one HELL of a make-over, and though it be a dump today, it most likely will be a great house when it's finished.

I'm sure Frogmore Cottage will be very nice when finished. But it won't be as nice as William's house. Harry will always be given things (at least) one step below what William gets, which will drive Meghan crazy long-term.

R473, no. He looked cut.

R277 Meghan has brought her own fortune to that relationship. Compared to Kate who didn't contribute, Meghan is rich from her acting.

Way before Meghan Markle, when Harry's personal PR was still "Poor Harry." there was an item about the time William and Harry had an "interview" with granny, and tea and tea things were provided only for William and Granny. Harry complained, which is how the story got out.

I think that's just Harry poor me-ing. If Harry was expected, of course he would have his tea and scones or whatever. He's just a whiner.

[quote]Meghan is rich from her acting.

Where do people get this idea? She ain't Julia Roberts. She got a few bucks from a third rate tv series. Hardly rich.

This is no big deal. Within the next 5 - 10 years all the Queen's cousins will pass on, and there will be a wide selection of fabulous abodes available for the younger Windsors.

She had a small role on a cable show shot in Canada, R279, hardly the stuff of riches.

Yes, R279, I'm sure Kate's incredibly wealthy and indulgent parents do absolutely nothing for their daughter. NOTHING.

R283 Celebrity Net Worth estimates her NW at around 5 mil.

If Harry and Meghan behave themselves, produce photogenic children, and remain popular with the public, good houses and good jewelry will be in the pipeline in 5-10 years. They have to prove themselves--and their marriage--first.

What was Harry doing running around naked in a hotel room in Las Vegas?

R287 Strip Poker.

Who was with him?

I agree that Harry and Meghan are not seen by the queen as very important to the monarchy in the grand scheme of things. They are popular now only because they are young and good-looking.

In the winter of 1986-87, Andrew (once himself considered extremely attractive) and Fergie, both just married, were being hailed as the future of the monarchy exactly in the ways some of you are lavishing praise on Harry; and of course look at how the public thinks of them now (if they think of them at all).

Looks, youth, and popularity all fade. But many Dataloungers never understand that.

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R279, while I know you are simply baiting, Meghan's per episode rate could not have been more than 10k - 12k per episode, and we have no idea what her episode guarantee was. Suits was basic cable, filmed in Toronto to cut costs, and Meghan had no substantial credits prior to Trevor getting her the job. They would not overpay her simply to be good sports. Meghan also had about ten years of struggle prior to landing Suits. I promise you the Suitcase job was not enough to live on, nor were her sporadic pre-Suits credits. She was likely in debt (if she wasn't completely draining her dad).

I looked it up and believe Suits ran from 12 - 16 episodes per season.

Let's compare. During his first contract, Jon Hamm was paid 20k as the lead on premium cable. Obviously when the show became a sensation, it is reasonable to assume HBO upped his per episode rate as a sign of good faith (and to forestall him holding things up when his contract was renegotiated). Claire Foy was paid about 40k per episode for the lead on the Crown (although her male supporting co-star was paid more!).

Do the math. Add in that she had to pay her Toronto rent during the off season. Suits was only obligated to pay her rent when it was filming. It was an L.A. production filmed in Toronto, so technically location, which means Suits had to pay for location accomodation, but only while it filmed. She had to pay her agent fees, her Canadian AND Us taxes, her insurance, her PR, her personal maintenance, and everything else attendant with being an actress. It is expensive even to be a working actress (she was (briefly) a working actress, never a star or a name). She had to pay her car lease (or if Suits did, it was only during filming) and her car insurance. She traveled a tremendous amount, and, per her instagram, always high end. Some of this may have been underwritten by Jessica Mulroney, which raises its own interesting questions. Others may have been underwritten by her deal with Soho House - apparently she persuaded them she could be a brand rep - ergo, she had access to Soho Houses all over the world. She got in trouble when they didn't get the return on investment anticipated.

The Tig was a money loser. Paid followers, IT, the server, the people who actually ran it. The purpose was to raise her profile and establish her as an influencer, which presumably would make her a name and give her access to gigs that people with names were able to get.

Meghan has no assets, and no money. That explains her train wreck appearance and her grifter antics even after marrying into the BRF.

Celebrity Net worth made that up based on her PR claiming she made 50k per episode, which she did not, and presuming she paid no taxes, fees or expenses. It's bullshit.

R292 will SAVE the British royal family from his wicked countrywoman, by hook or by crook!

Diana would have wanted it that way!!!

Inskip was with him (the guy whose wedding he attended in Jamaica), and of course, and almost goes without saying, the ever present, ever constant Adam Bidwell.

CDAD is full of shit a lot of the time, but I believe does have a handle on the basics of Hollywood. In a recent podcast, CDAD explained about all the money Meghan didn't have. What she did have, and through her pure gall and hustle as much as anything else, was more access than she had when she was a sporadically employed aspiring actress. She was on TV and the internet promoting Suits. She got to be on the red carpet. Saying, "I am working actress with a steady job on a cable TV show." get you into more places and meeting more people than when you are doing bit parts. Still, she wasn't invited to any A list stuff, not even second rate award shows or the attendant parties. Other than being with Trevor (who got her the Suits role), her best moves were the Mulroneys and Corey. Corey had more access than she. Rather than hope to upgrade, career-wise, after Suits (her clock was running down), she apparently decided to sell herself as a sexy working actress/asset in an effort to nail a rich European husband.

More hateful, yet obsessed posters on this thread too.

After this latest round with The Queen gifting a rather shabby unimportant cottage to the Sussexes the message seems quite unmistakable. If Harry and Meghan want more they are going to have to defer to Pa's generosity in future. Lillibet has essentially patted them on the head and sent them on their way.

It would not surprise me if, upon Charles' demise, Harry DID receive a trust fund, but one overseen and supervised by William. I think William loves his brother but is a tougher character than his dad.

When are Harry and Adam off on another jaunt to Africa? It is this month, yeah?

It's been clearly stated numerous times that all of the other properties are already inhabited.

R272 R278. There are not full frontal pics of Harry. If there were, they wouldn't be hard to hunt down, and they would have been all over the Internet at the time--and even now. If there were naked pics, the royal family seized them immediately. They don't exist. The only pics that became public are at R257 and R258.

By the way R278, both Harry and Will's penises are intact. Diana made sure they were not cut. When Will was caught on camera pissing in the field after a soccer game in 2003, the pic clearly showed his foreskin.

[quote] It is telling that HM is NOT buying the Sussexes ANY digs but will only gift them a lease (rent) on some random crown property, unlike W&K who do personally own the properties that were given them by the Queen.

No it isn't. Prince Andrew and Edward's homes are leased for them. They were not gifted to them. The leases are for about 50 to 100 years, but they are still leases. Although they can pass on the leases to their children

R89 and those of his comparison-challenged ilk:

Charles is the Heir Apparent to the throne.

William is the next heir to the throne.

George is third in the line of succession.

Those three future monarchs live and will always live in far better digs than any brother, sister, cousin, Aunt, or Uncle.

As for H&M's not wanting to live "in proximity" to the Cambridges, haha! As IF the latter's 20-room KP apartment is some tenement out of "The Honeymooners"!

R299, it would be absolutely delicious if Harry's future trust fund were controlled by William. As R220 said:

[quote]...Meghan is competing and thinks there's another role to acquire, another person to beat out, and that person is Kate. But no promotion is possible.

Imagine Meghan's frustration if Kate ― and I 100% believe that Meghan sees Kate as her rival, even if Kate scarcely even thinks of Meghan ― and her husband had authority over Harry's money. This is why Dangling Tendrils will never die: You couldn't write a soap opera this good if you tried.

R302 there are absolutely full frontal pictures of Harry, and on this very site. I should say there is one. He is in the same pose as when he's covering his goods, only he's standing there with his goods dangling semi-erect. The consensus here was he was reasonably well endowed. The trick is to find it on the web where they do not blur the penis. Here, on datalounge, is such a pic, but it is many tendrils threads ago, and I'm not going to excavate.

Not true R301, those other possible options are either uninhabited or can just as quickly be refurbished a la Frogmore Cottage. For example, York Cottage is currently used as holiday accommodation and, in part, as accommodation for estate staff. Adelaide Cottage is completely uninhabited that I can ascertain. And should there be tenants in a prospective residence the crown always has the discretion to evict them so to speak, as they did with Anmer Hall to the Everett family by terminating their lease well before its 2017 end.

It seems highly unlikely to me that the Queen wood publicly humiliate Harry and Meghan in the way so many of the Megan haters claim. In both this and the pregnancy announcement, there were lengthy tales woven about how you could obviously tell that the Queen was displeased because blah blah blah.

Family problems are kept in the family. The Queen doesn't turn family issues into tabloid fodder by deliberately giving the uppity mulatto a shitty shack to live in, hoping that hoi polloi will decode it as a message that she's upset that her henpecked limp-dick balding loser grandson married someone with a dark complexion.

Surely evem the nuttiest people on this thread understand that.

Also, they are saying the Gloucesters are actually moving out of Apt 1 but that it will be converted into office space. Diana's old residence in Kensington Palace was were it was said Williams initially wanted but it, too, is being used for offices. The Queen has always had a plethora of possibilities at her disposal.

And you know all this how R277? That's right, you (nor anyone else here) don't know a fucking thing. You just want to look like you do. But all you're doing is making yourself look like a blathering fool.

Why would you write such shameful racially-charged invectives in your post R308? Go wash your mouth with a fresh bar of Irish Spring and pop a Xanax before you bust a blood vessel. Mercy!

R310, William is the future King of England. Of course his sixth-in-line brother (for now -- another Cambridge baby would bump him even further down) will always be lower status, and everything about his lifestyle will reflect that. We have every reason to believe, based on Meghan's life and behavior thus far, that she will find this frustrating.

Every nasty adjective I used I got from either this thread or one of the other Megan threads, as you well know. I'm quoting you people.

The Meghan Obsessives on this thread are terrifying.

Why aren't some of the other European royal families more prominently in the news? Prince Carl Philip of Sweden is the best looking royal on the entire continent. They all have had partners, girlfriends, wives, babies, etc. How do they live? Did they receive houses as gifts? Or are they all too normal compared to British dysfunctional whack jobs?

Batten down the hatches bitches. The DTs have arrived. And I don't mean the kind after laying off of too many drinkie-poos.

A quick ctrl F of certain terminology or blocking R313 shows such an assertion to be patently untrue. Liar liar pants on fire R313! Tsk tsk...

You don't know anything about Meghan except what has been published in PR pieces, tabloids, and the occasional interview. You take that, much of which isn't even true or accurate, and mix it in with your own fantasies and theories, and pretend like you know everything about her.

Until you can prove with reasonable certainty that Meghan had no idea Harry was so far down the line of royal ascension, and that she didn't know royals that far down the line didn't enjoy the same perks as future kings, your assertion that she's going to be lashing out and pissed off 24/7 about this is meaningless.

The succession to the throne:

1) Prince Charles, the Prince of Wales

2) Prince William, Duke of Cambridge

3) Prince George of Cambridge

4) Princess Charlotte of Cambridge

5) Prince Louis of Cambridge

6) Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex

7) Meghan's unborn child

Both Harry and Meghan's unborn child will fall further down the list should Kate have more children (which seems likely)--those new Cambridge heirs will come after Louis but before Harry.

Harry will never inherit the throne. By the time William's children are 18+, they will be absorbing all the media attention, and William will be Prince of Wales (if not King himself). Harry, Meghan, and her children will by that time be living in a nicer house than Frogmore Cottage that will begiven to them by King Charles III, but they will all be considered minor royalty the way Andrew and Edward and their children and wives are now.

The Queen can be a trip. I've seen her get testy with folks before, demanding even. And there's that time she went all Miss Ross on Annie Leibovitz.

“Frogmore Cottage is Frogmore House.”

I think I will simply call it ‘Frottage.’

"Call me MISS Queen!!!"

--Elizabeth II to Annie Leibovitz

R311, R308 may be hoping to get the thread shut down

Whatever his place in the line of succession, he still ranks as the son and brother of future Kings, and the one not so distantly in the future. My take? Frogmore Cottage can use it's designation as an historical building to justify a tax payer paid renovation. They're still moving into one of those huge apartments in Kensington Palace at some point in the future.

Someone mentioned seeing this thread greyed out. I don't, does anyone else? Once again a good thread gets derailed by the fucking crazies. I hope it doesn't get zapped, closed maybe if the crazy continues, but not zapped.

Why would they be moving to Windsor? Is Frogmore Cottage near Royal Lodge where Prince Andrew lives?

Fuck you Annie! The crown stays on!

You all forget that The Kents (Edward, Katherine, and sister Alexandra) are minor royals who never had a chance at succeeding, yet lived lovely grand lives in beautiful homes with jewels and prestige. This is how Harry will be, but even better because he’ll be the son and later brother to the sovereign where the Kent’s were just cousins.

I am not trying to get the thread shut down, drama queen. You must be very new to Datalounge if you think anything I said in r308 would cause a thread to get shut down. A single post doesn't get a thread shut down anyway, it's a series of FFs or ignores that will cause a thread to eventually shut down.

That said, this one doesn't look grayed out to me. If it's grayed out for you, change your settings to "asbestos eyeballs." Try WWing the OP to offset any FFing, maybe.

R319, See r304.

Where did all of these tiresome “royal” nothings come from? Did another message board do a major purge of trash? Their threads are puerile and uninteresting. Their posts are worse. Die (literally, grow cancer inside of you and die).

Leibovitz is such a cunt. Jesus.

R331, right back at you 10 fold. You need to stop wishing death on people so carelessly. It's your own shit which is going to be your own undoing. There's something wrong with you, boy.

Can’t you zeroes keep your shit to the “dangling tendrils” tragic threads, that I block? Must you ruin everything with your nothingness?

If you want to see the thread stay open, click WW for OP and scroll past posts you do not care for. Too many FF and block clicks and the thread can be automatically closed. If OP gets enough WW the gray should reverse.

Uh oh... this thread may be gone by morning. Don’t wish cancer on each other r331. It’s not good for DL threads...or each other.

Hey, if any of you minor royals want to come over to NYC, I have a restaurant I'm trying to save. All I need is 100 grand.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

R333 Carelessly? Oh, no, I wish that on you with intention and purpose. From the simplistic language to your post history, I’m certain no one will miss you and, at a minimum, no more pathetic posts.

No, it's the latest DT thread that is greyed out. This one is fine, at least so far.

For fuck's sake. Harry and Meghan will have MANY houses over the next FEW years, and this is just one of them. It represents the first house they'll take over officially and more publicly. This modest mansion will be near Windsor Castle during Charles' and William's reigns. Harry and Meghan will end up with a lifetime loan place in Scotland, near Balmoral (which will be given to the government in for inheritance taxes), and of course something modest in Norfolk near Sandringham that we may never hear about because BOTH of those properties are entirely privately owned by the monarch. Ultimately they will likely have apartments at either Kensington Palace or St James' Palace, because that's how it's done and they will ultimately need a place in the city. And they may have other private properties that you don't know about.

... who are these people who think saying "get cancer and die" will get a thread shut down? Do they not know where they are?

Meghan is certainly no That Girl.

There's so much bullshit here. Frogmore House is the family museum. There is no way they are moving into it. It's keep it pristine condition and the interiors were fully restored to their Georgian appearance several years ago. Frogmore Cottage is a short distance away off Frogmore Drive.

OP, grayed. Fuck you!

Next up, we get you a Troll Number. You WILL NOT ruin DataLounge.

An,as usual the Meghan bigots ran in with their two cents.Who,sits up and mocks millionaires housing just because you are a racist.Datalounge

The new home of potato shape,jezabels who still think they had a chance with Prince Harry

Clue=he wouldn't touch you retards with a ten foot pole

They have an apartment at Kensington Palace, as did Harry when single. It is their London digs. The apartment is in the K.P. complex, NOT upside Wills and Kate, and have nothing to do with them. The brothers do not live together. Wills and Kate now have Princess Margaret;s flat, much of the south side …. they'e a nice view of the King William III statue, as you do of their windows when looking at same. Her Majesty has given her grandson his own family home, a house on the Windsor grounds, a 10-bedroom affair named Frogmore Cottage. There is no mystery here, no family disunion.

"it's not spectacular but it looks like a home and perhaps that's how they'd like to feel about their place. Like it is a real home. "

Sure Jan

Harry and Markle must be planning on having at least two kids. They're not moving into this house with all those rooms for one kid.

So Meghan and Harry,both millionaires will move into dilapidated housing...

You all are nutters

If Middleton and Markle don't like each other, Markle has to realize that in the end she will be on the losing end of the situation.

Why would Kate hate Meghan?Can't be jealousy....the Duchess of Cambridge will be Queen. It dosen't make any sense Data Lounge detectives

It is pretty clear who needs the troll number.

I am not sure threads have been this aggressively policed since the days of Timmy and of 1D. Paid pr does come across as aggressive and controlling and with all the placed articles it is inconceivable that there would not be a social media piece.

Agree that alienating the new family, esp Kate, seems unlikely to pay off. How do you think she sees the long game, R353? She is alienating the RF faster than her own family of origin, that took decades, rather than months. Does she think if she hurts her feelings, Kate will get Wills to abdicate to Harry?

[R354]

Oh Meghan wants Prince William to abdicate,so she is targeting Kate

Princess Micheal,is that you AGAIN

I can't see Prince William cutting off his brother for anybody.Those lads are extremely close and Prince William is very protective of Harry.These whispers are hogwash.

LOL, thats just dumb. William is not abdicating. I hate the monarchy and think that it should be abolished, but its fun to see how mad Meghan makes the racists, LMAO.

Harry, Meghan and their kid wont be relevant within 10-15 years though, its going to be all about William's family after that. Some Americans and black people might try to stick with them, but I wonder whether they will be obsessed with Meghan's baby if he/she turns out to look completely white? So many self hating people desperate for that white validation... Otherwise there's literally no reason to admire or root for Meghan. All she did was marry into a racist, imperialist family.

How could Harry inherit Althorp? The current Earl Spencer (Diana's brother Charles) will leave it to his eldest son, a Viscount.

All this race stuff. OMG. It's pathetic.

Anyway, their children will be 75% white/anglo.

[quote] Oh Meghan wants Prince William to abdicate,so she is targeting Kate

???

If William even did "abdicate," or (what i think you mean) remove himself from the line of succession (which is staggeringly unlikely), then his position would go to each of his children in succession, not Harry. And neither William nor Kate could remove the three children from that line of succession--that is entirely beyond their powers.

The throne can not go to Harry, ever. He is too far away from it now. William and his three children would have to be in a plane that crashes for Harry to get to the throne.

Not only that, many people in the UK believe that he is not even Charles' son. If Harry is in fact a bastard---and Diana's slutty revenge on Charles---he should be grateful for what he can get. Seems to me that he's sitting pretty. Shame he married such a tramp who will only bring him further down.

What I've learned on this thread from the many learned royalty experts here:

Meghan is furiously working behind the scenes to make sure William steps down from the throne and gives it up to his brother Harry, completely bypassing William's three children (which William cannot do--it would take an act of Parliament to remove each child).

But in the meantime, Harry will one day inherit the earldom of Spencer (somehow bypassing the current earl's two sons and also Diana's elder sisters' sons), which will be raised to the level of a dukedom when he inherits it, for unknown reasons.

Wow--things are looking pretty awesome for Harry!

Harry and Markle's kid will only be one-quarter black since Markle is only half black. So the kid will end up looking Caucasian.

[quote]Some Americans and black people might try to stick with them, but I wonder whether they will be obsessed with Meghan's baby if he/she turns out to look completely white?

What was that you anti Meghan lunatics were trying to tell me about this not being a race thing?

Does she think if she hurts her feelings, Kate will get Wills to abdicate to Harry?

Are people here familiar with the concept of sarcasm? It used to be a DL staple.

OBVIOUSLY that is not going to happen, so what do her actions suggest her goal IS?

R359 and R363, what the hell?

This obsession with the royal family and Meghan Markle is pathetic. Does anyone even care how many lives this family has destroyed and that they are thieves, having stolen precious artifacts and jewels from all the places they colonized?

It takes a special type of person to marry into this racist, thieving family. I wish Meghan an once of luck, because she has to go through life being married to an ugly, racist, probably cheating man with her every single action being criticized to hell.

R7 - the article is erroneous. Frogmore House isn't a residence and hasn't been since Queen Victoria's time, and is owned by the Crown Estate - this means it is neither the monarch's private property (so she can't "gift it" to anyone) nor government property - it's like saying the Queen "gifted" Prince Charles with Windsor Castle. She can't.

They are moving to the Cottage, not Frogmore House. To most of us, it is probably much grander than anything we'll ever live in, but if you have already gotten used to a certain lifestyle and certain expectations (which I'm sure Meghan has been cherishing since the day she met Harry), it can look old, cold, rather unglamourous, and of course, isn't a stand alone estate like Anmer Hall in Norfolk that the Queen actually DID gift to the Cambridges.

The press makes assumptions about things these days that it doesn't bother to confirm. No one is really sure about that Cotswolds place. My guess is that if there IS a Cotsolds place, it was rented, not bought for them, and they took it on the expectation that they would get that large apartment in Kensington Palace.

Now that they've been basically booted out of London altogether, they really have to keep the Cotswold place, if indeed it exists, because they took out a three-year lease on it from what I read.

So there they are: with a "home base" in the boonies and a country place even farther out in the boonies - but at least the latter are the more chic boonies.

R367 - This is Datalounge, not The Guardian. We don't let virtue-signallers tell us whom we can or cannot gossip about.

Go back to the Student Center, r367. I think they need you to snap your fingers in affirmation at a consciousness-raising seminar.

Back on topic....Frogmore Cottage: it's a dump, literally. It needs a ton of work to be inhabitable, there's no way will this be ready by Spring for Babe Sussex. The quickness and abruptness of this announcement is very suspect to me. Someone is sending a message here, not sure what but it's clear that's what is up.

See 5:54 in video at link for a real glimpse of what we're working with here. Omg.

It's also located directly under the Heathrow flight path - very noisy! This wasn't some kind of 'gift' from the Queen; it's a deliberate move to get them out of London, under the watchful eyes at Windsor and scale them back to size quite a bit. The posters here who speculate that H & M themselves made this decision, for 'privacy' and to get some space from the Cambridges; bless you, but I don't think so. There is no way in hell that Meghan would leave the pace and comfort of London so willingly.

Personally, I would enjoy all the water features, and if there's a chorus of frogs in the evening, how wonderful! The Royal Graveyard wouldn't bother me at all (I grew up near a cemetery). I really love hearing frogs, and very rarely do anymore.

I really do learn a great deal from DL threads on the Royals. I'm an uneducated hick, and it's been a while since I felt I even earned to right to even post on these threads. And, another reminder: please keep the racial comments about Meghan to yourself. They keep getting threads deleted, and they're not really relevant.

[quote]Personally, I would enjoy all the water features, and if there's a chorus of frogs in the evening, how wonderful!

You don’t get that in England. They'll just hear the planes.

[quote]I really do learn a great deal from DL threads on the Royals.

No, you don't. It's a very bizarre angle.

Was Meghan being nasty to the servants again and Will and Kate threw her out?

Here here r372, re your paragraph. Posters take heed.

But really I don't think the verdant pleasures of country life are the reason H & M are decamping to Windsor. I think they were told to go there, by the Queen or Charles, or both. There is plenty of space at KP - they don't necessarily need to take the spot next to Will and Kate. There's also St. James and smaller spaces in BP. But they're being sent 40 mins outside the city entirely.

The Windsor s are a great soap opera.

R339 is fuck ing PSYCHOTIC! lol

Should add here, Emily Andrews (UK royal correspondent) said on Twitter that Haz & Bean are keeping both Frogmore Cottage AND the Cotswolds place. Frogmore will be their new main base, and the Cotswolds converted barn their 'country weekend retreat'. That seems to me that's two country retreats.

So if she's correct, then they're being completely booted out of London proper.

What a downgrade from Kensington, lol

I would think all that open water would be a hazard for a young child. People fence and alarm pools and that pond is so close to the house.

How will she merch if she is stuck out there? Will she call photogs and invite them over? The mind wonders.

What a mess all this is. Entertaining yes, but anyone who has had someone like this enter the family, on a smaller scale, cringes in sympathy re the upset and the harm done.

What is up next on their schedule?

I think Wills actually flies a helicopter out to the country. Harry and MeAgain will be isolated or spending a lot of time in the car.

Frogmore looks swampy and bug infested. The name fits.

Meghan probably was whining for grander accommodations in Kensington, Harry got all what-Meghan-wants-Meghan-gets on everybody, and so they were told to leave because everyone is tired of their attitude. Banished to Frogmore which is empty because it's a property no one wants.

Except the servants living there probably wanted it, R382. Otherwise, yes.

Maybe they will move in before it is fully converted back to one house?

If Harry and Megan don’t want Frogmore Cottage, I’ll gladly move in

[quote]Andrew is probably polishing up his binoculars even as we speak.

lol! really.

The Fail is going FULL throttle UP. See their main page just now, huge top story re the Frogmore move with screaming headline "They Don't Really Get On!"

(in fairness the UK home page is headline by Bea, her new bf and his jilted baby mama. Fair's fair!)

Oh dear! Grade II only. That is a big step down for a senior royal. Who is saying this is voluntary move? Don't think so.

Who did Meghan piss off? Her Majesty? Charles? Did she make a Camilla horse joke?

How many empty houses does the BRF have hanging around?.The pregnancy means Not Cot is going to be too small in a few months, I guess her maj had to scramble to find a place for them.

Her Maj r389 has plenty of apartment space at KP and St. James to give them, as well as myriad other houses and cottages dotting both Windsor Park and Sandringham. She didn't have to scramble anything; she chose to 'gift' them this Gr. II, derelict, smaller house that currently houses employees and needs major work, is a hour outside London and lies directly under low flying jets approaching Heathrow at all hours.

Not sure what's up, but it's up.

I have been trying to figure out Sparkle's end game ever since the $75,000 dress (not seen since) for engagement photos.

DL has been full of chapter and verse of her behavior and her refusal to try to fit into the family she married into.

So, now, perhaps we are seeing the result.

Did she really think that she would get all the perks, all the best stuff, while thumbing her nose at the very people who decide who gets what?

I'm guessing she did think that.

More fool her.

I find Harry's position interesting. Unless he is a complete moron, he must see the moves being made by the RF. Probably, he was the one who would have been informed as to what was going to happen.

I wonder what he makes of all this.

They're not moving into the house at all. They're moving into the cottage, a small-ish, dilapidated dump with Wallis buried in the garden and apparently directly under a low flying flight path. AND the cottage, small as it is, was configured as five apartments (or so I read) so it's not going to have that open flow. It was staff quarters.

I think Harry is repeating the behavior he saw William engage in as a child - attempting to placate and sooth an unstable adult woman. It would be one thing if she could easily be paid off but if there is a baby, in her, or someone else, that changes things. That kid has no more chance than Diana did, even worse crazy genes and an unstable childhood home life ruled by narcissists. Ugh.

R391, if she is overtly sucking up to press at events, does that make her goals more clear? Your guess is as good as mine.

If she was bratty her whole life and still got what she wanted, she might have expected the same. Such people often are rewarded in life, to shut them up or to move them up and away in a workplace. I think her half sibs and former co-workers described her as bratty. She will have to get out a thesaurus to plant more stories slating the Middletons, she has done a pretty thorough job there already.

No family wants this kind of thing ramping up right before the holidays, unless you are Smegs herself. Life is too short and stress is not good for the elderly or for young families. Harry chose to bring this upon them. While it is super entertaining to watch, for anyone who has known someone like this, it really does suck.

I think Sparkle's personality is impatient. I think she sees and she acts. She probably didn't do her research and one suspects that she can't help acting other than she acts. Would a newbie on her first ever contarct role treat guest stars and crew like shit? Not smart. Guest stars can suggest you for other roles with the casting people THEY know, or include you in their projects if you suit and you were nice. Crew can trash your reputation and make people wary of you, particularly if your type is a dime a dozen. I think she has her agenda and simply doesn't see anything else. She doesn't see the point of protocol, probably dismisses it as bullshit, and doesn't see why things can't be done her way at "her" engagements with her husband and "her" appearances.

Honestly, before the debacle of the tour, I think the coat stunt at Eugenie's wedding sealed her fate. Previously, she'd just been a silly mercher.

I also suspect that Harry's full participation in the tour nonsense - the unctuous PDA, the preening, the relentless self promotion (the umbrella stunt for example, during which they were posing for a fucking romance novel cover), sealed his fate as well.

R392, I imagine it will be turned back into one home. Not sure how long that will take though.

I was wondering about the Soho Farmhouse, is that more of a seasonal thing? Would it be as popular in the winter months to be so far out?

Good points, R394.

Do you think he misses the relationships she has disrupted or is he caught up in the fun of being naughty with his new American wife? He has cut off friends, exes and now there is tension with his SIL with whom he had been very close, possibly his brother, too.

This chick here is extolling her winter weekend at Soho Farmhouse. I suspect she was comped as her weather-appropriate boots that she recommends for the muddy terrain are brand new and don't have a mark on them, and her entire look is obnoxious. Nevertheless, Soho Farmhouse is meant to be a cozy, mug cradling, fireplace cuddling, winter hike tramping getaway as charming in the winter as in the warmer months.

I think Harry has problems and issues whose seriousness haven't even begun to be leaked to the public, but at its core produce an incorrigible immaturity. His mates, with one or two exceptions (such as the his inseparable bff forever the perpetually single 42 year old Adam Bidwell, stockbroker and Sentebale Ambassador at large) have all moved onto the next stage of their lives. Not just his friends, but his cousins too. I read elsewhere that he doesn't really have a relationship skill set. He interacts with kids as if he's a kid himself, but also not respecting their personal space nor reluctance if they don't want physical contact, which was evident at several points during this tour when children were urged on to hug Meghan. So that's not maturity OR consideration, no matter how much his fans love the idea of him with kids. I don't know, I just think he's out of the loop. A lot of people have settled down, he probably felt like the odd man out, and he certainly did look at as a threesome with Kate and Wills. So it had reached the point where maybe he hadn't changed and never would, but he could change his circumstances and force the issue. And he took what was on offer from what apparently had become slim pickings.

I am a little confused, pls help: do H & M stay at Soho Farmhouse when they are out in the Cotswolds, or are they renting their own place? I thought I read they were renting a 'converted cow shed' out in that area, down the road from Soho. But now I read that the Soho property is all converted cow sheds - so what's up?

R391, Harry probably was told, and the burn of it all is you know he was informed by staff/courtiers, whomever handle thi stuff, not by Her Maj.

Although I wonder if this were HM's sole idea. Surely she would consult with Charles as to where she was going to place his son. Charles had to agree, or he would have provided an alternative.

The story at r280 is correct but the details are wrong. William and Harry used to go to tea with the late Queen Mother when they were kids, when they showed up she generally spent the entire time fixated on William and basically ignored Harry. Diana caught onto this, and went to the QM to ask her to please not do it anymore, as it wasn't fair to little Haz. The QM apparently agreed and corrected herself at subsequent visits.

Is Soho a child friendly environment?

Good points, R398, God help that child. Harry seems very BPD, he does not really have a core sense of self or of self in relation to others.

R400, at this point, with all the placed stories trashing Kate and members of the royal family, surely he and the Queen would see the need to contain the damage she can do? Geographic isolation and restricted access to social media make sense. It will make her more likely to act out or to try to even the score though. HOW did they let this woman in after having gone through this already? Surely Harry could have been helped to find someone who was not so reckless as to the survival of the monarchy?

R399, the rumor has always been that she has stayed exclusively at Soho Farmhouse, not at Nott Cott (keep her and intrusive phone camera away from there). Of course these rumors were not addressed at all, and that is all they are as far as my knowledge is concerned. However, Omid Skobie, their personal Boswell and self-styled royal expert, "explained" on twitter that Kate and Meghan took separate cars back because they had separate destinations or lived separately. However he put it, it was an "oops" because it clearly suggested Meghan didn't live in KP or he'd have said, "She's spending a few days with friends." or "they took separate cars because she's headed to her and Harry's country place." Omid Skobie is also the ex boyfriend of Markus Anderson. When his tweet got, "aha!" in response, he came back and blah blah blah'd that they had a place in the Cotswolds, although he was never terribly coherent about when they'd acquired it, and shortly after posted a photo of his own weekend at Soho Farmhouse. Since he gets plenty of first hand dish from Meg, it's not a stretch to think he was there at the SF to get a new dish dump from her.

I imagine Harry also spends time at SF.

Wasn't there a story sometime back where, when asked where they would live, Harry didn't specify, but did say something like "Well, there is a place I've had my eye on."?

Somehow I doubt it was Frogmore Cottage.

I seriously can't picture QM not giving Harry tea and crumpets. And I don't have my story wrong either. Perhaps there's a story about the QM ignoring Harry and Diana intervening (and perhaps that's one of Diana's many vainglorious fantasy stories), but the story I read was definitely Harry being peeved because he was at tea with the queen, not queen mum, and staff only served up tea for William and the queen. Which sounds absurd. But Harry apparently loves to whinge that he's not the important one.

It wasn't about the QM not giving him tea or biscuits, she blatently ignored him and kept her conversation fixed to Wills. Diana bristled and complained, and it stopped. There may have also been an instance when Harry was with William with the current Queen and didn't get tea, but I'd guess that was an oversight and not on purpose. The Queen isn't that insensitive.

The late QM was notorious for playing favorites. She blatantly favored Charles, for ex, over all her other grandchildren. Really slathered him with attention, which in a way was ok since he felt so ignored by his own parents.

R402 perhaps they are on alert about her simply because they wondered what manner of woman would agree to marry Harry, particularly an actress whose career and talent had never been much, and was already on the wane. However, she's good at pumping up her CV, and a lot of these relationship happened covertly, with the "Family" not knowing about it, and then when it went public it was pretty much a fait accompli with the statement he made to the media. Before I had a chance to observe her, it seemed pretty obvious to me what a 36 year old bit part actress with no strong career prospects after Suits would see in Prince Harry, but it could have worked out very well. If she were a different type of person, it COULD have worked out as she was initially advertised. Loving Harry or not loving Harry would have been sort of immaterial. The important thing would be him having a woman who would stick with him, maybe sort him out, boss him, and be good at the job herself. That would not have been bad, love or no love, opportunistic or not. Perhaps they hoped for the best.

Or perhaps the anecdote I heard never happened R406. It came complete with the Harry quote that William was the important one, something he is apparently fond of telling women. It does sound out of character for the queen, doesn't it? And for her staff to be so rude as to prepare tea only for William but not Harry. So maybe the story never happened and is just an example of Harry's schtick

The similarities between Ginger and his great-great Uncle David are remarkable. Both have major emotional issues. Both married domineering, demanding women as Mummy substitutes. Both gotten out of the way, relegated to the fringes because they no longer serve any purpose. Both whinging mightily about their loss of status and visibility, egged on by their imperious wives.

It could almost make one believe in reincarnation.

Harry is a lot like his mother.

R225-20 years? No way! Diana is practically forgotten already. Within a few years of the kid being born Harry will be back burner. He was popular because he was young, single carefree price. Now he's going to be a soon to be middle aged dad. Charles will not have the same reign as his mother. Once William moves up in line and then takes the throne, Harry will become a footnote like his cousins. All the attention will be on William's kids, especially if they're good looking. Wait and see.

Why on earth would the royal family send a public message humiliating these two? Why would they invite tabloid scandal? It doesn't make any sense to make this public when there are no details. Everyone is just making random speculation.

For this to be an effective reprimand, the reason for the reprimand would have to be known. There is no reason. Everybody is guessing that it's Princess Michael or Meghan and Kate or Harry did something or Charles kicked them out of London, but nobody knows.

And that's why this supposed message that's being sent doesn't make a bit of sense. What message is being sent? You don't know. That's usually pretty good hint that there is no message being sent.

If somebody as experienced at PR as the royal family is going to send a message, that message will be out loud and clear.

No r412, they do not always send out loud and clear messages. In fact many times they don't. They are masters of subtle manipulation of their pr and release of public news. They - and their courtiers - LOVE to leak to the UK press, when it suits their purpose. Of course when it doesn't, they scream like hurt children. But that's another post entirely.

I'm not sure where this initial story appeared - was it the Fail? or the Mail on Sunday - which is a more upstanding outlet, with real royal connections. Or was it the Sun. Which reporter wrote up the initial story. There are some reporters who's connections inside the Royal Fam are considered as good as talking to them personally.

They are not sending a public message. They don't care what the public think.

This is a family matter for them. And a matter for "The Firm" and how members of that firm behave vs the way they are expected to behave.

I have no doubt that Sparkle knows full well how she is expected to behave. And she refuses to do so.

The result is that Harry & Sparkle, who want a bigger place to live because of the upcoming birth, are given a bigger place to live.

Just not the place they wanted, not the place they expected, not the place they (mistakenly) thought they had a right to.

They are still invited to events, but placed on the side or in the back, corresponding to their position in the succession.

Some of what someone might think of as public humiliation is just a reflection of their true position in the firm.

Princess Anne stared down a kidnapper who had SHOT people.

The Queen stared down a man who had come into her bedroom in the middle of the night.

The Queen controlled her horse and continued her ride in a procession after shots were fired.

And Sparkle ran off after 5 minutes in a Fiji open air market filled with people who had waited 3 hours in the hot sun to see her.

When you join The Firm, there are expectations of behavior.

Don't want to follow the rules. OK. But don't expect the perks.

R411 I can guarantee you that Harry & Sparkle will never become a footnote on DL.

Meghan still has another 15 years in the spotlight before George graduates from university. The Queen had four kids and eight grandchildren. That's too many people to share the spotlight and wealth. However, Charles has only two sons, so he will probably give them everything that the Queen had to spread among four offspring. So, Harry will have it better than Andrew, Anne, and Edward. And Harry and Meghan's kids will have it better than Beatrice and Eugenie.

You R412 must never have heard the pithy very British maxim "never complain, never explain." The story broke on twitter directly from Emily Andrews, royal correspondent for The Sun. Many scoffed that it was just another red herring being floated about, that is until Kensington Palace confirmed by formal announcement that indeed Frogmore Cottage is to be the official residence of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex and that they will be moving in early next year.

R415 Agree!! (and still hoping Harry comes out of this ok.)

Both Princes are uncircumcised. . . .whoa,explains everything

What do you mean by "everything the Queen had" to spread? Most everything she has goes straight to Charles as the next monarch: the houses, jewels, art and paintings, most of the money (Duchy of Lancaster, etc). Not that she won't leave her personal things to the others, but that's not as much as you think.

Similarly William is getting the bulk of the spoils here.

Royal gossip isn't any different than regular celebrity gossip, and it's a truism that some vague declaration of so-and-so being "a master manipulator of subtle messages" doesn't mean anything. More often than not, what it means is that the fans in question like to read something into everything, whether there's anything to be read into it or not.

Frequently, the fact that someone is known to send a message, such as Her Majesty wearing jewels of certain historic importance for various events, will lead to people thinking that there is a secret hidden message and everything. That's not how secret hidden messages work.

For years we have seen ample evidence that William and Harry are close, and that Her Majesty enjoys Harry's company. Suddenly, that's all being thrown out for some new narrative that conveniently fits what people who complain about "virtue signalers" and "SJWs" and "the blacks" want to believe: that the black girl showed up and ruined everything.

It's not convincing, especially when all the evidence comes from the Daily Mail.

Harry will do very well for himself and his wife. Wills and Kate never liked the publicity tours. They preferred to be by themselves or with close friends and family. Both Harry and Meghan, OTOH, love the tours and the visit and interacting with the public. Except for very special occasions, once Wills is King, he will stick close to home except for vacations. He'll do the work the queen always did but Harry will be the public face of the Royal family around the world. If both couples wanted to do the same thing, there would be a problem. But they can divide up the work very well. I suspect they all get along fine.

R422 Wills and Kate never liked the publicity tours. Both Harry and Meghan, OTOH, love the tours and the visit and interacting with the public.

The masses don't want to see second stringers, but rather the main event. As his father ages, Wills will increasing have to assume more public duties, including overseas travel, hit the road either with or without Kate, especially once their children are older and sent off to boarding school. Ginger and Megs will be relegated to irrelevant local duties, such as inspecting Welsh schools and Scots breweries.

William's Middle East visit recently is indicative of the more serious trips that he (and Catherine) will be taking.

I agree with so much here, but I have never, ever known of any close friends of Kate. Don't get me wrong, I don't care for MM and I am also not a fan of Kate, just trying to get things clear. That was one of Kate's loudly spoken about bugaboos, she didn't have any close friends. She must be so fucking happy that she is no longer being dragged since MM came on the scene. I am surprised to read all of the revisionist history re: Kate, but as some other poster suggested, it makes for a good soap opera.

The public love Harry, they love an idiot with a good heart.

The public face of the Monarchy? He's the next Andrew.

R425 Kate has close friends, they are just discreet.

You Kate haters are so funny: she has no friends, the BRF hates her.... In fact, you're just like Meghan's haters but you pretend to be Oh so rational.

R427 I am too old and well educated to have any respect for the lazy, meaningless term "hater". I do remember Kate not having many close friends. Years back it was much discussed. You seem to know more than I, so who are they?

And let's not forget this fabulous gif set of a much younger Charles adjusting his cuffs as a hapless would be assassin attempts to shoot HIM.

R428 Google is your friend.

Well educated.... I'm so impressed and patronized.

[quote] The Queen stared down a man who had come into her bedroom in the middle of the night.

WTF are you talking about?

She spoke to him politely and calmly while waiting for help to arrive. That is not "staring him down."

Sophie Carter, Emilia Jardine-Paterson, Alicia Fox-Pitt, her sister and more. They tend not to be spotlight hungry so the media isn't all over them.

This is Carter with Kate ten years ago (her last name used to be Turner or maybe vice versa - she's married now). She's one of Princess Charlotte's godparents. It might be a somewhat larger friend group than Meghan's, but that might be down to Kate "curating" her friend group less fastidiously.

When speaking of a British estate, a "cottage" just means a house on the property smaller than the main manor house. They can be (as in this case) much, much bigger than the kind of house middle-lass people live in.

One grease fire coming up for R430 who is one of the MANY history revisionists on these threads.

Kate's closest friend and confidente is her mum. Mum has been her champion, advocate and biggest cheerleader since she set her laser focus on becoming Wills' g/f and the next Queen of England, making herself on-call, available and devoted to Wills' every need. Who but the most shallow and self-serving would want to befriend a woman who aspires the worst of 19th century female servitude.

Just a couple I will bother to type for R428, Emiia Erlanger has been friends with Kate since they were 13, she is a godmother to George. Trini Foyle is another close friend from that time. Sophie Carter is known to be one of Kate's closest friends and is one of Charlotte's godmothers. Hannah Gillingham Carter is an old friend from Emilia and Trini's time and was named one of Louis' godmothers. Hannah also happens to be married to Sophie's brother hence the same name. Also, Kate has a sister close in age and often a sibling will occupy the primary role of best friend.

Not a single one of these women mentioned above are any of K&M's god parents.

Sorry, that would be Kate and Wills

R434 Whatever, I'm not the one pretending to KNOW because I've read some rumors on a gossip board years ago.

You are a dull, tedious mess that has nothing of substance to contribute here r439

R439 and R440 Get a fucking room and let the rest of us get on with it.

If Harry and Meghan love the tours so much they should have behaved on this last one instead of turning it into a reality show. They were appalling, from swooping in to grab Invictus applause after skipping most of the game (and if some reports are true, after Harry blew off most of his planning responsibilities and was incommunicado about his schedule except for insisting Meghan get a speaking slot). Meghan shouldn't have chosen a dramatic rushed exit from the Safe Markets event - for God's sake it's called safe markets and she busts an exit second after arriving because she's afraid of the crowds of POC. POC that had been security swept, vetted, prepped and rehearsed, so her stunt was bullshit. She and Harry should have kept their hands away from each other's crotches while meeting officials who were prepared to discuss their program or their organization, hoping it would be considered seriously and get a positive spotlight, not a "Meghan and Harry's racy pda!" coverage. Meghan should have chosen one-sized moon bump and stuck to it and not clutched her belly whenever a camera was near, which was constant. She should have not constantly stroked Harry's back and arm and run her fingers down his arm as they were approaching or approached by dignitaries and worthies who thought this was a professional, official royal visit. Most of all she should not have dropped her pregnancy surprise at the launch of the tour, then made it so conspicuous via costuming it stole all focus from the tour, and in case we missed it, here comes the bump cradle.

She blew it. She got plenty of attention on that tour but she's paying for it now and so is he.

R440 Still better than an "well educated" liar with no substance.

R437 Sophie Carter is Princess Charlotte's godmother, and her other godparents are Laura Fellowes, Tom van Straubenzee, James Meade, and Adam Middleton. Have you never ever heard of google or do you just think nobody else has?

R441, Fair enough and done on my end, except for the getting a room part. Ew.

Here is Charlotte more recently being held by her godmother Sophie Carter at Sophie's wedding, at which Charlotte was a flower girl and George was a page boy.

R444 to be totally blunt, she really only has best friends adjacent, at best. Also who in her own circle were god parents of George? AKA the one who really matters?

R446 The bride has a Chelsea Handler thing going, or vice versa....

Emilia D'Erlanger (also seen it spelled without the "D" is most definitely one of Prince George's seven godparents. So of the women you claim not a single one to be a godparent to Kate or Wills' kids, TWO of them absolutely are, and both women are close friends of the Duchess of Cambridge. R437. Emilia is not a friend adjacent, but one of her oldest friends, as is Sophie Carter. Emilia since they were both 13 years old at Marlborough College. Sophie is a close friend of more than ten years.

Her friend Emilia was a godparent of George, and she and Emilia have been friends since age 13. You want to shut it down, now, idiot?

Of course...of course. This is a prime example of KMs pr before the pr of MM came on the scene. Now KM is an angel. I dislike them both, but ]the revisionist history is laughable.

You just can't accept you're wrong about something, does it hurt too much?

What the queen has isn't "spread". Historically, everything is passed down from sovereign to next sovereign, not diluted. There may be personal bequests and/or smaller trust funds but definitely not divided equitably.

It has been expected, in case people have not been noticing the overall pattern here, that the other major royals will be taken care of by the sovereign or heir. Thus, the queen purchased Gatcombe for Anne, who resides there, and her kids reside there. Anne did not have the money to purchase it. The queen first bought Sunninghill for Andrew and Fergs. It was her money, but I have not been able to find out if it was in Andrew's name and he was the beneficiary of the over large purchase price from a foreign billionaire who used off shore accounts for the 15 million he paid after which he did nothing but let the house decay. That would be an interesting source of the money Andrew had to buy his Switzerland house. It's really mummy's money, cause it was mummy's money that bought Sunninghill. Andrew's home is grace and favor via mummy. Edward's home is grace and favor via mummy. Charles has multiple homes because he's got the Duchy of Cornwall and is filthy rich as a result. Therefore, HE is meant to support Harry (William will have no need after Charles passes away, but responsibility for Harry may then finally rest with William, despite Harry's trust fund).

It would be very interesting if, if Charles does provide for Harry with a trust fund, if he left William in charge of it.

[quote]Harry is loosing his popularity that same way that Wills did, by losing his hair, which has been shedding in clumpfuls since he met his Markle. He is now a henpecked dimwit, with a heap of Nazi Nudism on the side.

Funny stuff. I do agree Harry's looks are sinking fast.

Harry & Megs are fine....no one is tossing them out into the street. Frogmore will be the official residence for Team Sussex (for the time being) and as time passes, they'll get an upgrade once the cousins start dying off and more real estate becomes available. They WILL have some sort of digs in London, just for convenience sake when they have to be in London for several days in a row and it would be impractical to go back and forth from Windsor. (for example, Anne has an apartment at St. James; Andrew has a suite of rooms at BP, etc).

This is how it works. Time passes and power positions change. The younger Gloucesters and Kents are well aware that THEY are NOT getting KP apartments and cottages currently occupied by their parents/grandparents; they're too far away from the throne. Anne, Andrew & Edward move into the "elder royals" bracket after the Queen's generation kicks the bucket. All three of them are set...Anne owns Gatcombe Park outright so her family is set and Andrew & Edward have long leases on their properties and other assets to provide for them and their immediate heirs.

After the Queen dies and Charles becomes King, Harry will get an upgrade in living arrangements. Eventually, he's getting one of the big apartments at KP as his London home and a grander country place, and quite possibly, one will be purchased for him outright as the Queen did for Anne and Andrew.

All this hullabaloo over what is apparently the equivalent of a starter home, but for royals. Harry is seventh in line, if I recall, and he married just in time for the Queen to be reducing her public duties while his dad takes on more responsibility, including paring back the royalty. He was never going to get some monstrous estate like Andrew or Edward; that's the old monarchy.

And I'd bet that once Frogmore Cottage is refurbished for the Sussexes, it'll be written up in all the magazines and look magnificent, while Meghan goes on about how they cut corners to spare taxpayer dollars, which is so important to them.

Seems pretty standard to me.

Anyone of importance and status in England, royal or not, bases themselves in the capital city.

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When The Queen dies there'll be a whole residential reshuffle.

Meghan and Harry will HATE living in Windsor. Mark my words. They'll be back at KP or St. James's Palace in no time.

The 20-room Apartment 1 at Kensington Palace, next door to William & Kate’s apartment at 1a, will become available next year as the Duke & Duchess of Gloucester are moving to a smaller part of KP. But Harry & Meghan have chosen not to move there.

Rumor is going around that the Gloucesters apartment will turn into offices and that's why they're moving.

[quote]Rumor is going around that the Gloucesters apartment will turn into offices and that's why they're moving

Offices? LOL

I was at KP recently (I live nearby).

They now have a café and shop.

I couldn't believe my eyes, quite frankly.

and the shop.

YOU decide.

Café interior,

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Is Doria going to be uncomplaining about being relegated to the servants' quarters?

He was Diana's personal chef

When W&K demanded Apartment 1A, which was NOT available, they caused a lot of the problems. The place was already functioning, had running water, heat, all of that. It was being used as office space for Historic Royal Palaces staff.

It got a new roof, but then W&K went to town ripping apart the historic interior and adding three new kitchens (entertaining, family, and one next to the nursery). They also ripped down walls to make larger bedrooms. When that happened, they exposed asbestos which cost the taxpayers millions more. If you leave asbestos where it is, you don't have a problem. Touch it, you've released it into the air and have to remove it all.

On top of those reno costs, if Harry and Meghan do things like Andrew and Edward, they'd pay the lease years in advance. That is a big chunk of private money that gets people screaming about whether or not that "private money" is really private, lawfully gained, whatever.

Historically it seems Clarence House would go to William once Charles becomes king...but maybe he enjoys his digs at KP and Clarence House will go to Harry?

Which Royal Property had the best and most discrete Royal Glory Hole for the plaisir of the young princes? Is the hole still there?

I don't think I've ever seen mentioned the following, possibly relevant point - Meghan never shunned her Mother, but did shun her father and half siblings. Let me explain. She was marrying into an exclusively white, privileged world - the creme de la creme of Royalty. All of them world famous white people with no ongoing familiarity and genuine association with POC. Sure, they welcome the various Africans to BP, and they do the dances/observe to customs when they visit those lands, but there have been no blacks in their midst as a matter of course. Had Meghan been so scheming, calculating, and so hell-bent on attaining position within the Royal family, then wouldn't she have kept her black Mother more in the background? As it stands, she always put her Mother up front for all to see. She never diminished her Mother's importance to her - never shied away from being seen with her. In fact, we all became aware of her Mother just as soon as we became aware of the relationship between Harry and Meghan. She absolutely DID, however, try to keep her white family members at a great distance. It has to be said that she absolutely was ashamed and embarrassed of them, and rightly so considering their abhorrent behavior. She knew they were grifters, and she knew she had reason to be concerned about them. Not so with her Mother - her black Mother. True, she most likely IS a great deal assertive in her approach to relations with her new family and staff. But aren't they also? One might argue that they have more of a right to such behavior, but isn't she supposed to meld into the fold? Isn't she supposed to become one of them in some aspects while remaining true to her own sense of individuality? Again, just an observation I though I'd share. If you don't agree, then by all means DON'T agree. Just keep it moving without an unnecessary attack. No, I don't know it all, and neither do you.

Charles is the one who wants to stay in Clarence house instead of Buckingham palace when his time comes.

That would mean William would stay at KP...as for harry? Who knows where he'd go. Maybe st james or back to KP. Word is harry will keep notcott as london place and then cotswolds as country retreat. Windsor/frogmore cottage is only temporary.

[quote]"Frogmore" -- yet another ridiculous British place name ... and they are legion.

It's quite demure compared with Ballplay, Wanker's Corner or Felchville.

R471 Ever heard of Queen Charlotte?

Meghan is not the first and won't be the last.

I don't think that anybody wants to live in Buckingham Palace, and no doubt Charles as a four year old must remember all the crying eyes in the car taking them to Buckingham Palace when his mother became Queen. They wanted to stay in Clarence House, but Winston Churchill forced them to vacate. I think that Charles is planning on staying put at Clarence, and this time I doubt there would be much objection to the idea.

Anmer does not belong to W&K. It is part of the Sandringham Estate. They are allowed to live there, rent free, because the Queen owns it and let's them live there. Years ago the Duke and Duchess of Kent lived there, then the Van Cutsems. The royals tried to hide the taxpayer money spent on Anmer, for things like security, just like they tried to hide the taxpayer money spent on securing the Middleton private home.

Private money was spent ripping out the incredible new chef's kitchen at Anmer. Installed by the professional kitchen designers who were kicked out of their lease early. Katie didn't like the kitchen so she just had to have a different one for the cook and housekeeper to use.

I expected Harry and Meghan to end up at Sandringham as well, because it is easier to hide those costs on a private property. The security is already tight on the estate because of the Queen. Bring in Crown Estate and a whole lot more info comes out. I don't see them having three places, but they'll have one London and one country.

R474, that whole Queen Charlotte thing is blown way out of proportion. True, she had some black in her but you had to go way, way back to something like 14 prior generations in her family tree to pinpoint it. Go do a search on Youtube for some goofy videos with the titles "George III was back" and "Jackie O was black" and "Henry VIII was black" haha Queen Charlotte was WHITE!

How far are BP, KP and Clarence House from each other?

I'm sure in a couple of generations the same will be said about Meghan.

They will no doubt whitewash her too.

"What do you mean she was half black. She was white, look at her she looked white in the photos/paintings/videos".

Anyway, this thread is not about that. Let's not get this thread closed as well please and thank you.

R471, I don’t disagree with the general consensus that Meghan’s white family is an embarrassing hot mess.

So what’s wrong with her black family? We hear even less about them. I suspect Doria ghosted them, and Meghan doesn’t really know them. (I happen to like Doria, from what we’ve seen so far.)

My point, R479, is that if you, yourself, happen to be black, then you cannot say that you are white TODAY simply because some slave master impregnated your African six or seven times great grandmother back in 1800. So too with Queen Charlotte, though in reverse. Come on, man, it makes perfect sense.

Please go to part 28 of dangling tendrils for all the race talk and other OT about meghan.

This is NOT the right thread and you will get it closed with your OT talk. Please leave.

r478 CH and BP are close together --like a quarter mile. KP and BP are about 2 miles from each other.

Her Majesty learned that the hard way with Will. The public spent a ton of cash renovating 1A for Will and Kate, and then they moved out to the country for a few years to raise their kids--quite the PR issue! This time HM will give Harry a country place to start a family. He'll keep Not Cot as a London sleeping flat and then once their kids start school they'll get a better London abode !

I keep meaning to go to Buckingham Palace when they open it in the summer - but apparently, you can't stroll in the gardens. no, I'm wrong, you can.

[quote]and then once their kids start school they'll get a better London abode !

Gurl, there are very good private schools in the Windsor area.

R486 Hun, The Royals send their kids to nursery in London. Then they ship them out to boarding schools like Eton in Windsor later.

Hun, the major Royals [bold]up until now[/bold] don't LIVE in places like Windsor.

Fergie and Andrew didn't live in London and sent their gurls to nursery schools outside London.

haha

[quote] Meghan is competing and thinks there's another role to acquire, another person to beat out, and that person is Kate. But no promotion is possible

No dear, that's just the fantasy scenario your obviously diseased mind has concocted in order to make you think you actually know anything about those people. You and those like you live in a fantasy world of made up stories about people you're clearly insanely jealous of.

The older royals do send their kids to boarding schools,but I think Kate will break that tradition

Meghan can bearly handle you bitches scrutiny as the wife of a Duke,becoming anything higher may break her.I personally want her to prove you racist fools wrong.

Banished to Frogmore.....i wish i had rich relatives to banish me to a multi million dollar home

Carol Middleton and Camilla do not get along,an because of that Kate will always keep Camilla close but not too close

Charles has previously said he dosen't wish to live in Buckingham,Camilla may change his mind.She has wanted that status symbol since she stole him from Diana,just like her whore great grandmother. An yes,even vendors close to Kensington were told of offices and tunnels being built at least a year ago.So i don't know what you lot are carrying on about.Guess Megs has upset you.....GOOD

R421 is a breath of fresh air and a ray of sunshine.

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If there's unease it is because Meagain wasn't raised properly to be able to adapt to the job. Kate was. Meagain is just in over her head and not trying. In a way it isn't her fault. She's ignorant.

It is willful behavior typical of narcs, R495. She is well aware of the norms of expected behavior and dress, people have literally had the job of educating her. She simply feels that she should be able to do as she likes without consequence, as all narcs do. Others disagree and we see that playing out. It is valuing relationships and the feelings of others that regulates social behavior, but that does not work with someone with a history of ghosting family, friends and even pets.

R371 - I think you're right. Of the many residences that HM could have offered them, this was probably low down on any list Meghan would have drawn up.

It's a bit like Tiara Gate, isn't it?

Anmer Hall was a gift to the Cambridges, not a loan; it underwent extensive renovations to ensure the privacy and security of the Cambridges; and it's in much better shape than Frogmore Cottage.

St. James Palace in London, which is attached to Clarence House, has apartments available for minor royals: Princess Anne, Princess Alexandra, and . . . Princess Beatrice have flats there. I don't doubt Meghan would have killed for a larger flat there, in the center of London and right next to Clarence House, as her new home base.

What a shame she was so rude to the Yorks - with Pss. Beatrice living at St. James, Sparkle's bitchiness at the York wedding put paid to THAT option.

No - this is a message to Meghan Markle: remember who you are - and who you are NOT, and who really wields power here.

R495, once again, the sole source of all the scuttlebutt is DailyMail...the equivalent of your People & Enquirer having a love child.

R476 - Whilst technically true that Anmer Hall is part of the Sandringham estate, it's a moot point where the Cambridges are concerned. As the old saying has it, possession is nine-tenths of the law. The Queen wouldn't have allowed the extensive renovations if it weren't to belong to the Cambridges - especially as the renovations were paid for out of private royal family funds, NOT the Sovereign Grant, as the renovations to Kate's and William's apartment in Kensington Palace was. If you have proof taxpayer money was used for the Anmer Hall renovations, I'd like to see a link to it.

In other words, the Queen invested in the Cambridges in a way she isn't in the Sussexes. The renovations were a costly gift from the Queen to the Cambridges. As for the CEO of Norfolk Oak who held the lease - I doubt he made any argument or suffered any economic dent.

The last time the Queen made an outright gift of a residence to a child was Sunninghill Park to the Yorks after their marriage. She won't make THAT mistake again.

The bottom line is that Anmer Hall was to all practical intents and purposes an expensive gift to the Cambridges, that the Queen wanted the Cambridges to be able to do what she couldn't and spend as much time as possible with a young family (HM has very strong family values).

Frogmore Cottage is a dump by comparison and deprives Meghan Markle of the centrality of a base in London, the formal center of the British monarchy.

If Markle has any brains, she'll get the message.

Yeah, sorry, R498 most damning story about her failure to adapt (Tiaragate) was published in the Times and the Telegraph. Neither would risk bad information. That isn't how they sell. As significantly it was never denied.

Anyway, you only need look at that foolish climber and listen to her drivel to know she's a stupid choice and a total failure. The dangling tags, the teenage groping, everything that show off undertakes. I knew from the engagement interview where she walked and talked all over him what she was about. She's pathetic and if she isn't divorced - or more likely bolts out of boredom and weariness at being called out for her failings - the best royal life will offer her is heir to Princess Michael of Kent.

If one were to believe The Mail, HM is tired any ready to croak, HRH The Duchess of Cornwall is on the outs, soon to become a double divorcee, and HRH Charles, Prince of Wales, is about to take the throne. Complete rubbish.

There's always one telling truthful sentence in every Mail story. You just need to find it. More to the point if there was a basis to undercut it, competition would try.

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The Kents.....oh so they are behind this.Not surprised, Prince Micheal dosen't get a royal allowance. ....he has a consultancy and Princess Micheal claims she is an interior decorator.As they live above their means.Yeah,i can see both launching an attack.....scared they are about to loose royal housing.....

An its unwise to target Kate,but Meghan is a perfect target.....as OP [R500]just proved.

Remind me again what a mercher is? Ian it the same as an Influencer? Can you give me examples of other celebrities that are confirmed merchers, as a point of reference? How do we know for sure Me! is one? Was she one in her prior life before Harry?

I'm not sure what merching is either, but it appears to have something to do with the fraus at Celebitchy and it causes passionate feelings on the internet.

Merching means companies paying folks to display their products. A lot of celebrities do it - look carefully at the drinks and water bottles they are holding when they get the paps to take their pictures. There is nothing inherently wrong with it - seems a easy way to make some extra money. All the major US stars "merch" in Asia and Europe by doing commercials and supporting the brands they are associated with. Brad Pitt "merched" for BMW at one point.

More on that merching monster Brad Pitt

[quote]There is nothing inherently wrong with it - seems a easy way to make some extra money.

For a celebrity. Working members of the royal family, their lives already considerably eased by various sources of tax and other means, should be above shilling brands on a paid basis. It demeans the work, it disrespects the people who pay the taxes that contribute to the function of the monarchy.

But Meghan Markle is so ignorant she can't understand that. Which is the only real reason she is unsuited to where she's climbed to and is the reason for the damage she will do. The monarchy exists through public support. Carpetbaggers aren't much help in that respect.

You know what would also help Herry's looks? If he shaved his fucking neck once in awhile.

I always thought his action man, Big Kid persona was overrated, not to mention his looks. But he has benefitted as much from Wills' wedding as from the image of the almost-13 year old walking behind his mother's coffin. There was balding Will in his over-red uniform, looking meek and sweet. And in swaggers Harry who is BUILT. I remember thinking - that build makes up for his face. But Harry is older now, he got skinnier and sloppy, he appears as if he takes no care of his personal grooming, and he's the sort of dude who NEEDS to be attentive to his grooming. He doesn't have the face, nor does he have the hair, to get away with careless slob. As well, at some point there needs to be some back-up to the persona, and he's neglected Invictus, the thing that was invented for him after he decided he was too good to take a written test that would have credentialed him for major.

Sometimes when Harry has the hole in his sole, or is otherwise slobby, some posters will be all - his wife should see to that. His wife? Look at her!

reply 362, that is only the first two steps.

NEXT, Harry will fall in love with the learned royalty expert (current wife no longer part of the picture).

THEN there will be a wedding with a chocolate fountain, on Diana’s burial island.

Yeah, 510, he lost his looks and perceived charisma somewhere down the line. Of course I remember him walking behind the coffin, then next around 27yo he is wearing Nazi outfits and hanging his dick out for the camera all over the world. Uh oh, not good, then next someone must have spoken to him, because he starts talking about mental health in an interview, and, incredibly, reveals something to the effect that he never speaks about Diana because he didn't want to hurt Camilla's feelings. UH OH this kid is effed up but hopefully he will now get some help, and instead, MARRIES MEME, the absolute worst type for his problems. Her spotlight primarily has revealed what a vapid, lazy slob he is, really not a good look for the alleged Face of the Monarchy. I have no sympathy for her the narcissist, but worry a little about him, the stunted 13yo boy walking endlessly behind the invisible coffin.

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Mary!

If Harry and Meghan get the speculated "millions" to renovate Frogmore Cottage, NO WAY no how will they be upgrading down the road, certainly not within the next 20 years. The optics would be, too, egregious to overlook the fiscal waste. They would be stuck there to prove the tax payers' investment of squandering a fortune.

I'm still wondering why they're reporting that they'll be moving out of KP "next month" when the renovation will take at least six months and have not yet begun. Where are they moving to? The barn?

[quote]Is it because he pays for it out of the Duchy?

He said pass the Duchy on the left hand side . . .

^ It a gonna burn, give me music make me jump and prance It a go done, give me the music make me rock in the dance

R403 - Oh, ffs the Kents aren't behind anything. They are extremely private, retiring folk, and the Duchess, a convert to Catholicism, has suffered serious physical and emotional illness. Meghan's an easy target because she made herself one by dressing inappropriately to focus attention on herself, doing little to support the British fashion industry, and generally behaving like a twat. The TIMES and the Telegraph would never have picked up that Tiara Gate story if they didn't know that whoever leaked it was a reliable source. She's generally behaved as if, having married in, she suddenly owned the place and could be herself on her own terms, which is something any royal with half a brain knows is asking for trouble down the line.

The Tiara Gate story and the stories of abuse toward staff (the family would NEVER have issued that support statement about the P.A. if there hadn't been fault by Meghan behind it a threat of further exposure by the outraged personnel), Harry screaming, "What Meghan wants, Meghan gets!" which is in a respectable biography of Charles by an author clearly disposed toward the BRF - come on.

She made it easy. She just got there. The watchword should have been to keep it on low till she got the real lay of the land. I think she expected a red carpet existence with adoring praise from every corner, and instead, she found herself confronting a powerful family with expectations of certain behaviour, and work that is both grindingly boring and repetitive and only occasionally glamorous.

Pss. Diana said after a year or so in the job, that the work was "80% slog and 20% fantastic". I think Meghan Markle expected 80% fantastic and 20% slog.

And lastly, for the first time in her life, someone else wields absolute power over where and how she can live. I'm sure the sensation is uncomfortable for her, but it's the price of all that social deference, global profile, and certainly compared to her beginnings. fantastic luxury.

*Read 'em and WEEP, not Week.

R516 - Actually, the multimillion pound renovation is always preceded by "is said to be undergoing", but in fact, there are no constructions facades around the building as there were around Anmer and KP during their renovations, and not a single sign of construction roadways, signs, etc. So, I'm not so certain there is a multimillion pound renovation under way - there may be some modest renovations going on inside, but major renovations would preclude them moving in, and every story has them moving in "next month".

Lastly, if there is a multimillion pound renovation scheduled, it means the Sussexes will be there for a verrryyyy long time. It means no other "country estate" for them, and no similarly renovated luxurious flat in London. I simply can't believe that Frogmore would have been Meghan's first choice of a home base, not in a hundred years.

Wasn’t the Queen quoted as saying “Meghan will get what she’s given by me”? (in reference to Harry’s infamous “What Meghan wants, Meghan gets”). It seems her words were not just about the tiara.

^Further to my post above, Emily Andrews is the only one insisting that the Sussexes will not move to Frogmore until spring when the renovations are complete, including security and privacy accommodations. The latter, of course, are understandable.

If HazBean are not moving to Frogmore until spring, then where is Doria staying? In two-bedroom NottCott? That should be lovely for Harry . . .

I simply can't believe folks think 17 acres is a downgrade.An all paid for renovations, how is that a bad thing?An when the reno's are done and Meghan's accolades ring loudly.You all will be mad/jealous about something else.

R515 - Frogmore is part of the Crown Estate so the taxpayer is probably on the hook for at least the security renovations.

The House proper underwent extensive renovations in the 1980s.

R524 - Oh, please. Yes, I can just see the erstwhile L.A. Toronto London based climber, used to the retail fleshpots, the parties, the buzz, and the attention. happy to be stuck in a small market town.

Unless the leopard changes her spots, I wouldn't hold my breath on those accolades. She's already pissed off the Queen, the Queen's favourite son, the Queen's flesh and blood granddaughter, and sowed division between two brothers. Those optics on the balconies on Remembrance Day, and the Sussexes spot in the last row almost behind a curtain at the Albert Hall that evening, should tell you everything you need to know about how thrilled the BRF is to have Meghan freeloading on them.

Yeah, considering where she started out, Frogmore is a huge step up for trash like Ms Markle. The question is: will she even acknowledge it, or will she still be pissed off that she's been booted out of the capital?

Cuz, ya know, hun, she don't strke me as a real ole country gal.

I love this idea of the queen wearing certain jewels to send secret messages to people. No doubt she learned it from her best friends Dominic and Elijah, who of course wore certain colors in the days the "Lord of the Rings" was coming out as coded shout-outs to fans of their secret gay love, because that's of course what celebrities do.

"Brown and cream

Means our love

Is a dream."

R523, more likely that M and Doria are at Soho or at the house in the Cotswolds that they may or may not have rented.

It seems to me Charles would have had a say in the decision re. the house, as its generally reported and not disputed that the Queen increasingly consults him on most decisions with respect to the monarchy now (and to some degree William as well.) It is odd too if Adelaide Cottage was mooted and available they didn't give them that. It looks a lot nicer and whatever needs doing, if anything, you'd think would cost less that converting five adjoining places into one.

R526 And it's not just the Queen and Dominic and Elijah - another loving couple, Robert Pattinson and his forever beloved Kristin Stewart were also noted to sending secret messages to their rabid fan base via clothing and jewelry.

R527, rented converted cowshed, please.

Nobody has said they'll keep Nott Cott. Not even the royal reporters who love Meghan and Harry. It's Frogmore and their mystery Cotswolds abode. For now they are out of London.

I think the future depends entirely on how much maturity the Hazbeans demonstrate in future public appearances, and that, of course, includes attire.

There is an idea, R525, has she offended Zara yet?

[quote]I love this idea of the queen wearing certain jewels to send secret messages to people.

It's a whole different QAnon!

Less bare skin and groping, R531?

Oh Queen Mary lived at Frogmore too???

[quote]She's already pissed off the Queen, the Queen's favourite son, the Queen's flesh and blood granddaughter, and sowed division between two brothers.

When you think about it that way, and factor in her press, she's already become Princess Michael 2.0.

Merching bags was also huge with female celebrities when large bags were popular.

It is actually against the rules for royals to merch, although very clearly Meghan does it constantly, and Harry does it a bit. There's that royal warrant thing which I guess is merching by any other name, but at least puts some official stamp of approval on the merchant versus sneaking it in and pretending the royal just so happened to be wearing something. It's the deception that is objectionable.

Merching agreements can be different sorts of arrangements. It can simply be borrowing stuff free in exchange for the label or brand blaring that you've worn it. If you are a superstar, you will be paid to wear it as there are many labels competing to get their stuff on your back. One only infrequently gets to keep the clothing, even if one is A list, which is probably why Markle doesn't recycle much. As said above, it's tricky for the royals to be marketing themselves as celebrities for cash or freebies when they are already underwritten by the public in so many ways. That's why they're not supposed to do it. An odd thing about Meghan's merching is most of the time when a celebrity merches a gown, a stylist makes sure it fits. Meghan doesn't seem to care that almost nothing fits.

Is MegTungsten on the outs with the Mulrooney woman? If so, who will be her clothes merching liaison? Wouldn't she have to leave a couple degrees of separation between her and the designers?

One is assuming that they're converting Frogmore Cottage, and I'm sure Ms. Markle - Duchess Meghan to the rest of us, as that is clearly the appellation she prefers - will plant stories that it will be extensively renovated to her taste as everyone wants her to be happy and Prince Charles admires her aesthetic. But that is how Ms. Markle rolls, and very often it doesn't come true or she and Haz would be moving next door to Kate and Wills as we speak.

it would be hilarious if just one of the apartments in Frogmore Cottage is actually where they are going, and they're not getting the entire house, let alone an entirely renovated house. Let's see how it shakes down. We'll get lots of stories about what is GOING to happen (a la moving next door to Will and Kate). Let's wait and see what actually does happen, renovation wise.

Take Harry’s uniform at William’s wedding with a grain of salt. The shoulders were padded and he had epaulets on as well. Of course he looked more robust.

But yes, in terms of optics Harry won the day. William chose a uniform with a very slim silhouette and in fact has stuck with that silhouette in his suits and outerwear, giving him a Nosferatu appearance. Harry’s suits are cut more generous and he looks more comfortable.

Don’t forget Zara Phillips posed for a fashion magazine ad in her horse stuff.

I wonder if she makes Doria curtsey?

R538, Mulroney's seemingly abrupt exit from the tour + a remark or two from her husband ("I have never been so proud of Jessie") plus a cryptic instagram follow up cautioning against paying attention to the wrong people have led observers to wonder if the lovebirds broke up. Then there was the Jaguar snafu. One of the stories is Meghan owes Jessica Mulroney money - you know that is very likely as pre-Harry Meghan was living and traveling quite a bit above her means, Soho House brand repping notwithstanding. And so when Mulroney realized she was out her investment in Meghan, so to speak, Haz may have had a word with Pa, who tried to send a Jag their way (it's well known that Prince Charles and Jaguar have a close relationship). But the gift was immediately exposed, prompting the Mulroneys to deny they got a Jag, and, presumably, preventing them from accepting it. If there was or is a rift, not difficult to speculate what media savvy someone is vindictive enough to do someone out of even part of what is owed.

When Mulroney left the tour, I thought her kids had to get back to school and she wasn't meant to be there the entire tour anyway. But then an interview Ben Mulroney said would happen did not happen.

I think Meghan at this point has her own direct relationship with Givenchy. Claire Wright Keller has tweeted in the past whenever she's had a "meeting" that is royal-adjacent. So she's probably safe with Givenchy whatever the status of her friendship with Mulroney. And I guess Club Monaco too. Let's see if her wardrobe changes. Hell, if Mulroney is gone it can ONLY be an improvement, as Mulroney is absolutely talentless, has no sense of fit or proportion, no aesthetic but ingenue/sex kitten or wannabe Victoria Beckham crossed with a Kardashian, and no idea how to dress Markle's body type. Maybe Markle will agree to knock of the merching and accept a modest clothing allowance from Charles and dress within that budget. Her style could only improve.

Well, you are tarnishing my memory, R540. I was not a huge royal follower, although I was pleased Charles and Camilla got to marry and have always liked Kate. Prior to the wedding, I thought Harry had been thoroughly beaten in the face by the ugly stick. But he swaggered in and the build carried him. To think at least 20% of it was attire! It's that 20% extra that sold it! :(

R543, unlike many posters here, I like Meghan a lot. But I have to say I cannot stand that Mulroney woman. She needs to be removed from any tours, media, events and anything else that would make her "royalty adjacent". She can be friends with Meghan but that's it. No more publicity, you whore.

R542 Doria does a mean downward dog. A simple curtsey would be a breeze for her.

A big indicator as to whether Mulroney is out will be no more Birks merching.

Just so I understand, if Kate and Meghan both wear a similar Alexander McQueen dress next season, we must assume the Kate is supporting British fashion but Meghan is merching, right?

No, we'd assume Meagain finally gets it.

That video of Frog House 'n Cott posted above is notable for how much aircraft noise is audible underneath the Bach double violin concerto.

But they all complain about that. All Windsor Great Park is under the flight path.

[QUOTE] Robert Pattinson and his forever beloved Kristin Stewart were also noted to sending secret messages to their rabid fan base via clothing and jewelry.

Ah, the days of the Havenettes!

Personally if she wants to whore herself out merching I guess she can diminish her own reputation. I just wish if she's selling her body she'd sell it for something that fits.

Are the merchants getting their money's worth when the clothes look like crap on her?

But if Kate is specifically wearing a British label to encourage sales of the label and the dress sells out, hasn’t she in effect merched? I know I can’t win this argument since Kate’s ascension from boring and lazy to beloved and virtuous mother in just a year, but I’m just curious how you all think.

Do we have any proof she’s merching? I.e. getting money or compensation. I know we think there’s a lot of smoke, but supposedly she spends a lot of money on her clothes—wouldn’t that contradict the merching?

Kate PAYS for the clothes is the difference.

Promoting British fashion is part of the job.

Wearing borrowed freebies from foreign brands whilst lining your own pocket is merching.

Harry simply lacks the income to pay retail if it is anything close to what her PR puffery has claimed.

But not for her own personal gain r555. That's the big difference. Kate (and I am tired of all of the revisionist history about her as well) is simply wearing the dress, and people see it, want it and buy it. That way she is supporting the British clothing industry/designers. MM is getting a direct financial kickback (allegedly)for featuring/wearing a certain piece. As I was about to hit post, I second what R557 said.

R557 that’s what I’m asking. How do we know she borrows instead of buys... just because we think it doesn’t make it true.

Wasn't there a recent story that Eugenie and Jack were looking for a place in London?

Maybe THEY are moving into Nottingham Cottage at KP - and that may be why the reports are that the Sussex duo are moving next month.

Wouldn't that be some payback for that mean girl "Look I'm pregnant!" stunt at Eugenie's wedding?

" Harry’s suits are cut more generous and he looks more comfortable. "

Are we looking at the same Harry? On the Baby Bump Tour, Haz couldn't even button his jackets they were so small -- it was pulling across the back to the extent the armsceyes were distorted. On top of that, his white boy flat ass was on mad display because the jacket so short. I just figured the talentless fashionless MeMe grooms and dresses him now.

Didn't know Heathrow was so close to Frogmore

So far she's escaped scrutiny re this affair, but you know Cuntmila's got at least one hoof in this mess.

Recommended for sub flight path dwellers.

R563, I hope so. And I hope Smughan pissed off Carole Middleton, too.

Women are a thousand times more treacherous than men, and neither of those broads got where they are by being less than.

It’ll be fun to watch.

I had the same thought, R560.

She directly went after Kate, the Middleton family and the children, so I imagine Carole took note.

r566 Eugenie & Jack are supposed to have moved into Ivy Cottage, Kensington Palace from St James Palace. Which according to The Sun is twice as big as Nottingham Cottage.

How did she go after the children?

There was some critical, R569 - anyone recall the details of that one? I am on my way out. May have been some snarky shade about how their kids would be raised. Ring a bell for anyone?

I love how the protocol broke down to diss the Harkles at Royal Albert Hall, although I'm convinced MeAgain insisted her hubby swap seats so it was his face getting swatted and nearly concealed by the curtain. Whatever the optics, I know there must be some sort of legit protocol to account for the seating. So Her Majesty's kids had better seating than grandkids, which explains Harry's seating, and the Yorkies aren't working royals so they were absent, and William is the heir and Kate his spouse so they were the exception, so that left the Harkles as the only true subordinates present? Is that how it goes even though Harry is higher up in succession than Andrew?

R545, she ain't a whore, although she is a beard. But I would be careful "Be off with you"ing when it comes to her. As with her dad, Meghan would never ever have gotten near where she was without the Mulroney connection. That was her big "get" in Toronto and what gave her some semblance of social cred in a society that is very a smaller fish pond than L.A.

Unlike Princess Charlotte, Prince Louis and Prince George, Meghan intended that her children be given normal lives, ride the subway, and not be spoiled.

As with every story that boosts Meghan, shade is thrown at Kate and her family.

Why have Samantha and Pa Markle gone silent? I feel like the latest brouhaha could really use some authentic Markle family commentary.

R572 not to mention Ben Mulroney is a media personality in Toronto, which, pre-Meghan, helped Jessica's stylist (excuse me, ADVISOR) career, and, via Ben, Jessica was invited to far more high profile events than Meghan could ever hope to be asked. Jessica also used her instagram to promote Meghan. They're trashy but connected, and they know a lot of the backstory. Not good people to alienate, although I am unaware of stories that they're vindictive or malicious. Self-absorbed and self-promoting, yes.

Sam is working on her book 'in the shadows of the duchess' or whatever it's called.

[quote] just because we think it doesn’t make it true.

You're really going to play that card on the umpteenth thread full of crazy about this grifter?

Diana tried to give her boys as normal an upbringing as possible,taking them to McDonald's and out to amusement parks. Wills and Kate don't seem inclined to do the same. Perhaps it had a detrimental effect on Harry leading him to marry a trashy TV star.

R511 I've often thought he looks good with a beard, but I agree--he could clean up his neck a bit now and then!

R559, read up on the claimed costs of Smeg's wardrobe. Then ask yourself who is paying for it if she buys. Harry on 400k? The notorious cheapskate, Harry? Charles, give her triple Kate's budget, but not bothering to spring for a stylist or a tailor?

Look how much she does NOT recycle. But, most importantly, notice how Meghan's Mirror, hooked up with Jessica Mulroney and with self-described close ties to KP, broadcasts her wardrobe barely before she appears, and immediately provides purchase links. Notice how often the label and designer do the same thing.

Sophie Trudeau got in trouble when she wore a borrowed piece from Birks' jewelers and the label promoted it on instagram. She said she did not intend to merch and did not know the label was going to use her wearing the broach for publicity (let's side eye that and say she did not realize Birks was going to be so flagrant about the quid pro quo). Now notice how quickly the labels jump on board the second Meghan appears, identifying what she has on as theirs and tellling you immediately where you yourself can purchase it.

Now look at Kate and how McQueen does NOT do that, nor does it happen with her shoes, her coats, her hats, her jewelry. The label's social media accounts do not go into overdrive the INSTANT she appears, as if she's on the Oscar red carpet.

What Meghan does is merching. Of course McQueen benefits from dressing Kate, although I do not know if they have a royal warrant. But they do not quid pro quo publicize and then merch Kate's attire the second Kate shows up wearing it. Know how it works and Meghan's M.O. is textbook merching.

Why is it the topic of "merching" brings out the crazy, long-winded posters here?

My sister in laws hate each other one more than the other really. They are in the same room for 3 hours at Christmas and do behave but don't speak. Bitches being bitches really. Add several billion dollars to the mix and all the properties art and autos and jewelry and I guess they are really jockeying for 1st favorite position. This should be the happiest family in the world. NEVER having to worry about paying a mortgage or your child's college. Priveledged beyond your grandchildrens's lifetime.

It's my understanding that when a designer, for example, is identified, it's after a request to the press office. The brand doesn't announce.

Somebody upthread tried to claim royal warrants were reverse merching. Nothing could be further from the truth. "A Royal Warrant of Appointment is a mark of recognition of those who have supplied goods or services to the Households of HM The Queen, HRH The Duke of Edinburgh or HRH The Prince of Wales for at least five years, and who have an ongoing trading arrangement."

It's strictly governed, not a Botoxed, spray tanned walking bag of silicone fixing you up with a bad fitting dress for Tuesday.

I appreciate the details about how Merchin' Megan operates -- when I saw the tag hanging from the bottom of her dress, I knew that couldn't be just an "accident."

That had to be an accident. R584. That made her a laughin stock and the butt of jokes—not Something a narcissist welcomes, if she is indeed one.

Eh, R578, amusement parks and McDonalds was not their upbringing. Instructions to the chef at Kensington Palace as to what to prepare for their dinner was their upbringing. She had them experience a drive through and an amusement park (the latter famously for the entire media - not a "normal" experience), but it was not the norm. She wanted them at times to get out of the bubble and see what was out there, but they did not have a normal upbringing. Not as far as experiences. Perhaps as far as being the kids of a toxically dysfunctional marriage whose dysfunction filtered down to them as they grew up in privilege.

Wouldn't make assumptions about Kates kids. KP complained when paps would photograph Charlotte and George (sans the shorts and in regular jeans) would be out with their mother in the the park or shopping. This is done more often than we may think. Remember royals at the level of Kate's kids (and at the level of Harry and William before them) have to have security with them - it's simply a way of life.

Also remember that Kate has her own family - her dad, her mom - who are capable of providing the kids a non-palace environment and non-palace experiences. This is also what her friends can provide (and some of Harry's friends). And their cousins as well. And some of their school friends.

Narcissists can be inattentive to detail. Meghan has not just had the tag hanging, but the thread "X" still sewn on the coat vent, plastic still on the metal bumpers at the bottom of the bag, and mud on her shoes that had not been wiped off from the previous engagement. And, as we all know, she has had just plain awful fit - awful fit is actually more the norm for her than a good fit. It's not always the extremes of that massive floral comforter she wore to the wedding this past summer (with that toilet paper scrap-looking fascinator stuck to the side of her head) versus the tight gray dress that didn't fit across her shoulders or upper arms and showed the complete outline of her strapless bra. Generalliy her seams don't line up and her clothes don't hang properly. She doesn't seem to care. I think she's just getting her pay day but one would also think she'd be worth more if she made this stuff look good.

R587 you’re right, narcissistic can definitely be inattentive, I was just pointing out that leaving the tag on the clothes had to be a mistake rather than on purpose. It was ridiculously embarrassing.

[quote] Priveledged beyond your grandchildrens's lifetime.

Oh, dear.

This is so great >

An obvious indication that Meghan is merching is the dearth of British labels in her wardrobe. Yes she has worn Emilia Wickstead a time or two since she came on the scene and the Ralph and Russo OTT dress which the palace went out of their way to state had been privately purchased. Those were paid for because British being British and wanting to stay in good graces of HM, British design houses do not engage in merching--period. Otherwise, they risk tarnishing their reputation and forever being shunned in disgrace. To keep things above board royal family members pay for their articles and wear them publicly to show support for the British fashion industry. Meghan wants to merch and they have pointedly refused her so foreign labels it's been however ill-fitting.

I suspect the tag had been hidden somehow so it could go back to the merchant but the tag came loose. If we see it again, it's something she owns.

[quote]And their cousins as well.

You're goddamn right. No special treatment for that light little wanker, George.

One day George will marry a tall, pushy blonde woman, and we will all know the reason why.

Not too sure about that r593. Tall? Sure. Pushy? Sure. Blonde? Why not. Woman? eh.... early days and all that, but he currently pings from space.

Makes sense that Samantha has been quiet since she's working on her book and needs to save her tidbits and stories and what not for the book and for the accompanying talk show interviews about it but what about Pa Markle? Is he working on a companion coffee table book of pictures to go with Sam's book or what? They're never going to bet let into the fold or paid off (Harry's cheapness for one and MegTungsten's lack of shame for two) so they might as well spill it all. I get the impression Pa Markle is chomping at the bit wanting to spill about Doria's absence but he needs this info to pay handsomely, as in set him up for the rest of his life.

This family has access to Billions of Dollars. They get or will get pretty much whatever they want.

Meghan will get what I give her!

Which is pretty much everything. She will probably wear that Tiara to the Queens funeral After party.

It's amazing how many posters above still think H&M are getting Frogmore House rather than the dumpy, unrenovated Cottage.

Frogmore House, btw, is in the midst of a long-term, multi-million dollar renovation. But the Sussexes aren't moving there. Ever. It's far too grand and much above their station.

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Their office won't still be at KP for long - they're being shifted, aren't they? To Charles' operation?

I can throw out what Chelsey saw in Harry based upon my own speculation. They were birds of a feather, although she was clearly far more academic than he was, to say the least. Like Harry and Meghan, Chelsey and Harry looked alike - kind of narrow eyes, the noses, the grins. Even though Chelsey and Meghan don't look alike. Chelsey and Harry each had a Dennis the Menace thing going on, each seemed more carefree than Will and Kate, and each were/is highly emotional. I think Chelsey may have grown up, and Harry didn't.

She wore Emma Wickstead because Mulroney had access to Emma Wickstead pieces. Had some kind of pipeline.

This family may HAVE billions - nobody knows - but only a select few have access or the rest wouldn't live essentially as dependants upon those who control the $$$.

Kate and Meghan are situated utterly differently. They are not two competing heiresses hoping to inherit more than the other. What each gets is pretty much set in stone. Nobody is divvying up jewels, cars, and houses between them. Kate gets what William gets and we know what William gets. What Harry gets is what he has and what Charles chooses to give him (currently an unrenovated dump to where he and has bride are being exiled), and what Charles may set aside for him out of his personal fortune after Charles dies. OR Charles could give Harry and once over, put his faith in William's rectitude, and set aside something for Harry controlled by William. For the moment, what Harry has is taxable income of his half of the trust fund Diana left in equal parts to himself and William.

It is the media that writes about anyone marrying into the royal family as having access to untold riches and an unlimited budget. They are reluctant to talk about how things really break down. Many people, surely, who work extremely hard and barely scrape by would take the deal in a second - guaranteed housing, medical care, food and status for the rest of your life, access to a circle of rich and influential people if you don't act like an embarrassment or asshole, and all the country air you can possibly ever want to breathe. If you love horses and get along there is a likelihood someone in the family who is $$$ capable of maintaining a stable will give you access to the horses. Not a bad life. But a stinking rich "I can do what I want and never ask the price" life it ain't. It's pretty circumscribed.

Anne Allen and Ben Pentreath did Anmer Hall, not Kate. Of course she and William were consulted at every step, and of course the tabloids have her in control because she's the girl, but that is bullshit. Pentreath came recommended via the work he'd done for Charles, and it's Charles, I've read, who footed the renovation bill.

Of all the royal homes, I'd ten times rather live in one of Charles' - whether it's Highgrove, Birkhall, Clarence House or Llwynywermod. I think he the best aesthetic of the entire family. Of course he has the money for it, but I don't discount his sense of scale and what looks appropriate in the environment while also achieving real beauty.