Why do some guys have gayvoice and most of us don't?

Most of us...don't?

That's me. When I open my mouth it's over. Happily I don't give a flying fu%%

I think it is genetic. They cannot help talking like a faggot running to a rainbow. They will get much homophobia directed against them. Sad.

Most gay guys I know are conservative. They would never hang with someone with gayvoice anymore than they'd hang with a drag queen with seven foot tall hair.

I think the ones that do speak that way have been desperate for attention for so long, that now it's just habit. They intentionally did it to be girlish, and did it for so long they may not even realize they're doing it anymore.

I can’t stand gayvoice anymore than I can the straight douche-bro voice. What exactly are these people trying to prove?

I think you could control your voice

I'm not sure I'd agree most do not. While it is true only a minority has serious gayvoice, a lot of gay guys have still have a detectable hint of gayvoice. I'm not sure if the guys who don't have any at all would be in the majority.

It's a plot from the Secret Lesbians to keep gay men out of the presenter and game show host industry.

OP, FUCK OFF.

Go to a straight site if you want to gay-bash. This board is intended for gays and we have self respect here.

So ask the straights at Reddit and iVillage why most straight people have DIPSHIT VOICE.

Everybody else, please F&F the homophobic OP who thinks he's being sly.

I've been told that I sound like Eleanor Roosevelt. Is that gay voice?

R7 if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is gay.

R10 Stick three huge black dildoes in your three cunts. Quit your cunting.

[quote]I think it is genetic. They cannot help talking like a faggot running to a rainbow. They will get much homophobia directed against them. Sad.

A hateful post about hate.

I FF’d R3.

I can only speak for myself and my reality but I don't know a single gay with gay voice or who's effeminate. I think we meet people like ourselves. The only gay voice femmes I know are the make up and hair people I work with (I'm in the film business). I'm sure some femme will write Mary! To my comment those are definitely the ones with gayvoice.

R16 it is the same principle as gorgeous men only go with gorgeous men. Fuglies will only end up with other fuglies unless they are willing to buy a trashy trophy wife. Masculine gay guys only associate with other masculine men. Femmy lisping queens go with anyone willing to tolerate them.

The r3 is homophobic but I do think that gayvoice and being effeminate has a genetic component. You can see femmes have wider hips like women which affects they gait and they usually have more delicate features and high pitched voices which are clearly results of less testosterone in the womb.

There's also the mannerisms but that is the only socially constructed part. I think femmes copy women and their mannerisms because they're usually their only allies growing up. That's my thesis on that. I've never had women as friends and to this date my closest friends are straight or gay men.

It is all genetic. No man would ever choose to be gay. They are born that way and cannot just decide to be straight anymore than MJ could be white, even though he tried.

We're talking about being effeminate and genetics not being gay. Being gay has no relation with being effeminate those are two different things. Masculinity is not exclusive to straights that's the whole point.

Why some men have gayvoice is purely genetic. They cannot just start talking like a man. It is impossible.

R21, riiiiight, just like upspeak?

I have a higher pitch voice and people always call me ma'am on the phone

R23 the fact you buy your tampons in bulk at Costco is probably another reason. You type like a cunt.

R23 you reminded me of an incident when I was visiting my mother and sister a few years ago. My aunt called and I answered the phone, to which she said "Patricia, how are you?"... "It's not Patricia"... "Lisa, how are you?"... at least it put to bed my doubts about my gay voice.

Why do some apparently straight men (i.e., with wives and several children) have gay voice (I have a doctor like this and Matthew Weiner has a very gay voice but was accused of sexual harassment by a woman plus he ha 4 kids). It's a mystery to me.

They're not talking 'gay' they're talking like females. Because psychologically that's who they identify with: 'I like dick so I play on the girl's team'.

A male talking like a female is automatically gay. Duh.

Gayvoice only works if you’re funny and over the top

What if you have gayface and gayvoice? Probably more suicides than dentists. Yuck.

There's also the butch gayvoice.

R31 Tyler can be really effeminate though, next..

My mom has said to me 'honey, the best thing you have going for you is that you don't SOUND gay.'

A nellie pal of mine who's met my mom was aghast, but she has a point.

Life is harder for obvious gay people. It's a sad reality.

They are huge targets of hate. Straights hate them and most gays hate them. It's a hard knock life.

This topic on a video. Who's gonna tell the delusional frau that her obviously gay husband isn't a straight ladies man? 😂

Exactly. No straight man talks or acts like that. The only dick she's getting comes from a drawer.

And I find it hilarious that those fairies are still more successful and important than your dull, mediocre ass.

R18, you're completely full of shit.

R38 you would know all bout dat.

[quote] Masculinity is not exclusive to straights that's the whole point.

It appears you're wrong. Straight men don't feel the need to prove their masculinity the way gay men do. Especially the "masculine" ones who try very hard. You're a prime example.

R39, your attempts at masculinity are adorable. Why do gay men like you think straight masculinity is equivalent to acting like a retarded dudebro?

Matt was hot in that video. I worked with a guy like Kris and he was married with 2 kids. Surprised me when I found out. I thought he was gay.

I don't think gay voice is genetic.

I'm bilingual. I've spoken Portuguese and English since I started to talk.

Men have commented how butch I sound when I speak in Portuguese, but I can sound fey when speaking English, especially if I'm around gay men with a lot of gay voice.

Butch? I am so sure.

I think it's safe to say the triggered posters have gayvoice. I'm sorry you were called names in HS but it's not my fault. I was just sharing my experience your vitriolic responses tells me it's time you all start some needed therapy.

The only triggered cunt here is you, lady.

"Most of us don't." Bwahahahaha!

Most men, inc the cock smokers, don't have gayvoice. It is a genetic disorder.

[quote] Why do some guys have gayvoice and most of us don't?

[quote] What if you have gayface and gayvoice? Probably more suicides than dentists. Yuck.

Once again honey, I'm doing just fine

Shawn Mendes is disgusting, clearly you are a frau and a Twilight fan. Twinks are not for everyone.

Many gay men WANT to speak in a gay accent. Have you ever seen a gaggle of gay men conversing in a bar or restaurant? It's like a competition of who can sound the most gay.

When gay men come out of the closet, and begin socializing with other gays who speak with the gay accent, they soon start speaking in the same way. For many gay men, it's fun to speak that way, and it becomes a badge of identity.

[quote] Men have commented how butch I sound when I speak in Portuguese, but I can sound fey when speaking English, especially if I'm around gay men with a lot of gay voice.

R43 I agree totally. Pitch/timbre and verbal inflection signify differently between lingual families.

In theater I’ve worked with plenty of ‘Haafu’ (I.e. biracial) bilingual Korean & Japanese men of various sexualities whose speaking voices all confound my monoglot gaydar. One Japanese of my acquaintance, who is half-Spanish and able to speak some broken English, sounds like a bitchy flamer extraordinaire when he speaks his mother’s Spanish but like a butchy bro when he speaks his native Asian tongue.

Here’s an example of the inverse, too. Famous dancer/actor Aiba Hiroki speaks some English and does it in a boyish masc way, but his Japanese is so femmey that the other guys he works with used to affectionately make fun of his nasal high-pitch and call him by the nicknames ‘Aiba-chan’ and ‘Aiba-cchi’ (suffix pronouns typically used to address cute little kids or pretty younger girls). Granted, the long silky hair and hairless fine-features aren’t helping his case, but he’d sound as gay if he was hairy and bulky.

No one gives a fuck about the nips.

R17 is on a gay gossip site, the epitome of masculine, manly manness.

“But, I only post on political and sports threads! I’m all man, baby!”

When I hear gay voice around me, I cringe so much I want to leave. Please stop doing it. It is a choice. Just like upspeak, Kim Kardashian's weird voice, etc. You're doing it for some weird desperate attempt at garnering attention?

This guy doesn't have gay voice. He does, however, have gay eyebrows.

What an insufferable twit. No one gives a fuck about your coming out, buddy.

Is gayvoice a mix of effeminacy with annoying vocal fry or upspeak ? I know femme guys with very soft and high pitched voices but I wouldn't call it gayvoice because they're not emulating women and are not annoying.

I have a crush on the Eyetalian dude bro in the NYT video up thread, He is the very soul of masculinity...not straightness, but masculinity.

I am a musician and have perfect pitch. I remember music from when I was a toddler. I don't speak in monotone so probably some might take that as gay ounding. I really don't care what people think.

R52 I don't quite fully agree. I have a younger brother who is gay but was hard-core closeted, even becoming religious and politically conservative, until he came out in 2012 at age 28. Nevertheless, we've always suspected he was gay because he seemed effeminate and had a bit of gayvoice. However, since his coming out, he's been very flaming all around. So, was he suppressing it before to no avail? Or has he exaggerated his effeminacy since immersing himself in the gay community?

Let’s embrace gay voice. It’s part of being gay.

It’s all part of our gay culture. Who needs a butch voice ? Jesus!

It’s like everything else in life - a muddle. . Some guys just talk like that gay or straight & some gay guys camp it up - either intentionally or not There is no one answer.

I've talked about this on DL before. I knew I had gayvoice when I was pretty young, and especially, once I realized I was gay (about 12 years old). It bothered me a lot. My older brother eventually started trying to help me change my behavior so that I wouldn't get bullied. He taught me to walk and hold books differently, but all he could is ask "Why do you talk like that?" Since I couldn't hear myself, I didn't know what he meant. Well, we had a tape recorder that taped onto cassette tapes, and I tried taping myself talking. I was mortified. So I would listen to TV shoes, and try to copy various actors who I thought sounded very masculine. It was usually actors on 'Masterpiece Theatre', but Robert Reed on 'The Brady Bunch' was also a good example.

I sort of miss having gayvoice, to be honest, but times were different, and I had a hard enough time dealing with being gay back then. I was born in 1961, BTW.

^^shows, not shoes.

R40, you have a point; I live and work in LA in the biz and am around masculine guys all the time, but there's something forced about they way they put themselves forth; I visited NYC for work a few years ago and marveled at the masculine MEN walking up and down the streets who aren't in the biz; they're just MEN.

R59 Ross is the postergirl for gayvoice! Dialed up to 200.

Check out all the pretentious arrogant cunts in that glaad audience. Resting bitch face dialed up to 200.

What about lesbian voice ? Is there such a thing ?

R35 Are you from the same planet as R26 where men can only be attracted to one gender?

Hetero's really obsessee over the weirdest shyyt

r66 have you had any luck over the years getting rid of your gay voice?

Rock Hudson had gay voice, but got rid of it to become an actor.

Ross Mathews should be strangled by his short hairs.

(R69) Ross is also the poster girl for CHUBBINESS!

I prefer someone who is not at all effeminate but not masculine either. What does that say about me DL people?

I have always loved Ross. Most of my gay friends hate her saying she is too gay and effeminate. I don't mind her, she makes me laugh.

And Brad Goresky’s gay voice is irritating.

"When gay men come out of the closet, and begin socializing with other gays who speak with the gay accent, they soon start speaking in the same way."

And yet plenty of closet cases have it.....

R81. Exactly. I often clock men who arent openly gay by their voice, even more so than a 'gay face'. I am under no delusions that I sound straight. I was sent to a speech threapist as a child in the early 90's by my parents to 'work' on my voice. It never worked, I still sound very gay. And it is GAY sounding, not female sounding as well. I was an only child and had mostly male friends as a kid and mostly sterotypically male interests, but always sounded like a gay kid. Its totally born with for me.

OP: ".... and most of us don't."

One hears it spoken with the intonation of a balloon with the air being let out slowly, piercingly high, miserably and painfully.

I don’t have a gay voice.

R78 I think you are similar to a lot of us. With very few exceptions, my boyfriends or lovers appeared straight, like me, but we're not overly masculine either. When I was younger, I couldn't stand to hang around effeminate people, and for a couple of reasons. At the time I didn't want to be associated with "obvious" gay people and identified as such. Secondly, people who use Mary in every sentence drive me crazy. It's really a matter of being comfortable around friends.

I think a lot of people, specially eldergays have a very strange and outdated idea of what masculinity means today. There's little difference between a femme gay prancing around saying Slay! Queen! and a dudebro trying to shove down your throat he likes pussy. They're both camps and clowns. Masculinity has no connection with sexuality. I for one know more masculine gay guys than straights and most of my straight friends, who are artists, are not are not feminine but are far away from being a pussy hound. I identify with R85 but I'm mostly hit by women, and think it's ok to say that people don't think you're gay right away, those who care about it are usually femme gays with low self steam.

[quote] It appears you're wrong. Straight men don't feel the need to prove their masculinity the way gay men do. Especially the "masculine" ones who try very hard. You're a prime example

You must be a gay raised and surrounded by women if you think that. It's a very male trait to obsesses over masculinity and showing it off. I'm as gay as the next DLer but I was raised by my dad and my brothers and am yet to find a straight man who doesn't care about it. Geeks and nerds are even more obsessed with masculinity than the athletic types. Women favor masculine men over sensible types, that's the true reality of the world, no Jezebel/Vox article will change that.

"Women favor masculine men over sensible types, that's the true reality of the world, no Jezebel/Vox article will change that."

Women like guys with money, whether they are "sensible" or not

R88 and if they don't have money, they prefer masculine types.

They may marry a rich dweeb but they'll keep a masculine guy on the side.

^ Most women aren't hot enough to attract really rich guys nor do most of them "keep" guys on the side, unless you are talking about characters in a Jackie Collins novel or something

No one needs to be hot to get dick on the side, men will fuck literally anyone, gay or straight.

Lol as if.

Lots of self hatred here

R94 Everyone hates you, cunt.

Are you my biggest DL fan? I'm flattered and dispassionate

When I meet or talk to guys via the apps, I encounter a significantly higher percentage of guys with gay voice than I do in my own friend group.

Not really sure what the takeaway on that is.

R94 do you say that on every thread, you revolting cunt.

This is another variation of the "masc" obsession. What an odd badge of honor to try to claim. Even though we're all marginalized as gay people, some of us want to create a hierarchy among gays where the ultra-macho gays can be superior to "the other ones". I don't get why you want to try to make other gays feel inferior. Are you trying to be teacher's pet to the straight folks? The straights don't respect the dudebro gays any more than they respect the gays with more feminine voices.

And here's the craziest part of the whole thing. Even among the masc-est of the masc gays, when they get mad...or really happy, or they've had some alcohol, the gayvoice comes rolling out.

And I have noticed a lot of straight men with higher voices. They don't care; they're secure and self-assured. They're not obsessed with hiding it to try to maintain some image. I notice it mostly in Jewish men and European men, from cultures where emotional expression is encouraged among men.

R99 Fuck off. Many straight guys have gayvoice and gayface. Are they marginalized? Up yours.

Yes, R180, they are. But they don't care. And neither should you. But if your macho voice makes you proud--and superior--then, more power to you!

Oops, I meant:

yes R100, they are. But you go on with your bad self, you deep-voiced stud.

Someone here mentioned Matthew Wiener. He is married to a woman and his kids with her. I still thinks he's a closet queen.

Closet queen with gayhands.

So you really believe all of that sexting the underage girls, going to prison, and throwing his life away was all a cover?

r106: I believe you must be talking about Anthony Weiner, the former Congressman from New York, not Matthew "Gayvoice" Weiner, married with 4 children creator of Mad Men And The Romanoffs. I don't think Anthony Weiner (Wiener?) could possibly have been gay, given his sexting to young girls.

R107 oh yes, sorry, I am an idiot!

Most of you have gayvoice and don’t know it.

Matthew and Anthony Weiner are just prissy straight guys