Are you with Nancy Pelosi for Speaker of the House?

No. She’s too old and isn’t committed enough in going after Trump.

Yes, she has experience and will go after trump in a smart way.

I'm with R2.

The last thing the Democrats need right now is a neophyte newbie elected as Speaker, who will be Trumprolled and made a fool. It's not that I love Pelosi; what I'd like to see her do is run and succeed with the Speaker's gavel, and tell THE ENTIRE WORLD that this is her final stint as Speaker and in Congress, so that there is time to find a successor (who isn't an old white man because I know what you're thinking, Steny Hoyer) who Pelosi can mentor give the party time to accept.

I hope she gets in.. it sounds iffy now.

She scares the Republicans. I like that.

The House needs to listen to the DL.

She won. She deserves the prize. She’ll die someday.

Unless you are a Democratic member of the House of Representatives your opinion really doesn't matter. You don't get a vote so what you think doesn't matter.

And here is what some of them think.

Democrats will somehow manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. All the newbies, miscreants and rebels will be all butt hurt that their "voices weren't heard,: and then they will all pull a Susan Sarandon and sit on their hands for the next two years. Meanwhile, the Republicans will continue with their shit and take back the house in 2020 because Democrats refused to put on a united front to the Republicans and Trump.

There needs to be someone Democratic Party who will instill discipline among the ranks and who will knock heads together and beat people over the head with a baseball bat, if necessary, if they step out of line. Republicans didn't get where they are today by tolerating bullshit among the rank and file.

There's something Bernie-Bro about the movement to dump her; all these ignorant complaints that she's too conservative are serving a conservative agenda. The best they can come up with is "time for a change." From effective liberal leadership to a more "moderate" inexperienced person? They should keep her for another year or two.

Oh for sure elder. She’s 78 I believe. Too old for Bernie to be president but not too old for the DL

Agreed r12

I think she is smart and skilled but I don't think she has a monopoly on that. There is an entitlement about her that I dislike. A little humility would go a long way.

Wow, R9 knows how to get a conversation going.

I wouldn't agree that she "scares" the GOP. I think that she is very much vilified and mocked by the GOP. That's very different.

She will not inspire any kind of bipartisan cooperation.

Pelosi may not inspire any bipartisan cooperation, but there are two points to be made: 1) what bipartisan cooperation? Find me a Republican in the House who will join with the Dems, and I'll show you a Republican who won't be in the House for long; 2) Pelosi is a master at securing votes, cooperation be damned.

I'm not against her as Speaker per se, but am in favor of a discussion about leadership, rather than presuming she will be Speaker.

Do you have an alternative? Pelosi has said she is interested in grooming a successor quickly. Until there is an heir apparent, I'm for Nancy.

She gets shit done. End of debate.

What shit? Kissing Republican butt? Sorry but she has not impressed me. Having a vagina does not make her unique. There has GOT to be someone better.

We need someone with guts.

The fact that the “yes” vote is leading tells me just how dumb are Dataloungers.

It must be a woman of color.

[bold]This thread’s five dumbest comments (so far):[/bold]

“She scares the Republicans.” —R6

“Unless you are a Democratic member of the House of Representatives your opinion really doesn't matter.” —R9

“Democrats will somehow manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. All the newbies, miscreants and rebels will be all butt hurt that their "voices weren't heard,: and then they will all pull a Susan Sarandon and sit on their hands for the next two years. Meanwhile, the Republicans will continue with their shit and take back the house in 2020 because Democrats refused to put on a united front to the Republicans and Trump. | There needs to be someone Democratic Party who will instill discipline among the ranks and who will knock heads together and beat people over the head with a baseball bat, if necessary, if they step out of line. Republicans didn't get where they are today by tolerating bullshit among the rank and file.” —R11

“There's something Bernie-Bro about the movement to dump her; all these ignorant complaints that she's too conservative are serving a conservative agenda. The best they can come up with is "time for a change." From effective liberal leadership to a more "moderate" inexperienced person? They should keep her for another year or two.” —R12

“She gets shit done. End of debate.” —R21

[quote] There has GOT to be someone better.

Feel free to name that person. Go ahead.

Barbara Lee.

[quote] Barbara Lee.

Yeah...there's that youthful leadership!!!

R28,

R26 asked a question.

I answered it.

You did. It was ridiculous because of the main stupid reason people say they want Pelosi to go...but you gave an answer. So, brava!

It was not ridiculous, R30.

Nancy Pelosi, from California #12, from San Francisco, does not support Medicare for All.

Barbara Lee, from California #13, does support Medicare for All.

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[italic]Wikipedia[/italic]: “[Barbara] Lee is notable as the only member of either chamber of Congress to vote against the authorization of use of force following the September 11, 2001 attacks. This made her a hero among many in the anti-war movement. Lee has been a vocal critic of the war in Iraq and supports legislation creating a Department of Peace.”

Barbara Lee is actually progressive.

Nancy Pelosi is not.

[quote] It was ridiculous because of the main stupid reason people say they want Pelosi to go...

Her age, genius.

And if you want a speaker who will get nothing done by proposing bills that will go nowhere and alienate moderates, I can't help you.

R32,

You quoted and responded to your prior comment from R30.

Yep...because I was pointing out that you had missed the point. Here it is again: the biggest criticism have of Pelosi is her age. It is not that she is not progressive enough. Because most people know that if you go to far left you lose the moderates and the nation.

R26, R28, R30, and R32 also wrote the following at R20:

[quote]Do you have an alternative? Pelosi has said she is interested in grooming a successor quickly. Until there is an heir apparent, I'm for Nancy.

R30—“Moderates,” in the Democratic Party, are corporate Democrats. They choose Wall Street; not Main Street.

You are one of them. That is why are you for Nancy Pelosi.

Oh, BernieBot...

R36 writes,

[quote]Oh, BernieBot...

So, this is what you now have, R20, R26, R28, R30, R32, R34, and R36?

What do you want? You live in your own little dream world where somehow magical things happen if you just wish hard enough. Medicare for all! Minimum guaranteed salary! Free college for all!

And you don't really care whether you are ensuring Trump another 4 years.

So you are completely unreachable. And I give up.

Jazz might not have become so popular in Europe. A black regiment that included musicians from New York popularized jazz when they played Paris.

Thank you, R39, and I would add that if the US had never entered WWI, Baltimore would never have elected and Italian-American mayor and launched Nancy Pelosi's father's political career and, thus, hers. Now that I've got this thread back on track, let's drop these red herrings where Nancy Pelosi is some kind of DLC mole rather than a liberal pragmatist. Her opposition isn't coming primarily from her left, but from opportunistic "centrists." (Cf. Harold Ford a decade or so ago.)

She'd make a better Republican than she does a Democrat. FDR might well have agreed with this observation.

Let her go.

Greats results for Dems this mid terms. She's clearly not a negative to the party. She has experience and is a strategist. This is not the time to try someone new who may not have the experience to lead in Washington.

I am with Nancy Pelosi. This is not her first rodeo.

Any debate is just noise. Trump has already said he would provide enough repub votes as may be necessary for her to win. Then the dem rebels will get a real lesson in payback by the Speaker.

Her opposition seems to be coming from the right not the left of the party.

Why don’t they keep her and get rid of Schumer instead?

Well I’m certainly not for that Bernie Bro, infant AO Cortez cunt.

R12

Agreed. I love the way she scares Republicans. Two more years.

I was wrong. Nancy has been absolutely stunningly effective and potent as Speaker this year, a quiet assassin of Trumpism. She is a total OG.

[QUOTE]She is a total OG.

OG? Who talks like that? I mean, originally?

I’ll take her because she’s experienced and capable, but she’s getting high on the smell of her own farts. She needs to be humble and serious.

R49, you must be hopelessly white and old

R51 must be under the impression he will never get old.

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Mango Menace gives derogatory nicknames only to those he thinks he can bully. He calls Nancy Pelosi "Nancy," which is disrespectful to her title, not to her. He knows if there's one person who can bring him down, it's Pelosi. He's afraid of her, and rightly so.

I call her Gloria.

No r52, but I won’t be stuck in the past my decades or oblivious to the reality of a browner, more urban population and its language.

R55, of course you will. You will have little in common with the experience of the world of those twenty, thirty years younger than you. You just won't know that.

And still, no one will tell me where "OG" comes from. Sigh.

R57, ever heard of Urban Dictionary?

Oh, simp. I know what it means. I can't believe how people REFUSE to engage here. You'd rather be pissed off at me than have a conversation.

I take it back; this morning Cadet Bone Spurs called her "Crazy Nancy."

Bitch, it's on.