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What makes New Englanders so reserved?

I grew up in the Midwest, lived in Philadelphia for college, moved West for grad school, and have now lived in New England for the past several years.

I must say, compared to the other parts of the country I've lived, New Englanders are so cold and reserved, especially to outsiders. No warmth with strangers. This is so different than, say, the Midwest. Why is this? Is it the Puritan heritage? The weather? Something else? I mean, Minnesota is cold, but Minnesotans are generally warm and friendly.

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by Anonymousreply 173August 8, 2022 10:33 AM
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by Anonymousreply 1November 10, 2018 11:37 PM

The cold.

by Anonymousreply 2November 10, 2018 11:41 PM

I moved from the Midwest to Boston right after college. I lived there for eight years before moving the the west coast. It was a difficult adjustment to live there. The friends I met are still friends and I haven't lived in Boston for 28 years.

I think New Englanders are cautious in making friends but once they are your friend it is a strong bond.

by Anonymousreply 3November 10, 2018 11:42 PM

Interesting perspective, r3

by Anonymousreply 4November 11, 2018 12:58 PM

My experience with New Englanders is the same as R3. They are cool and detached, but the longer you know them, they warm up. And have proven to be very loyal in my experience.

I moved to Key West years ago. Everyone was very friendly, right off the bat. But, in the long run, I found them to be more back stabbing and not loyal. And don't get me started on Southerners.

by Anonymousreply 5November 11, 2018 1:08 PM

And just what the fuck is wrong with Southerners, you Yankee asshole?

by Anonymousreply 6November 11, 2018 1:09 PM

r6 = Miss Lindsey

by Anonymousreply 7November 11, 2018 1:11 PM

I think there is a Brahmin tradition of giving everyone their space. A progressive live and let live attitude. This does translate to a bit of coldness but it’s more about not being nosy and in your business. I’d much rather have this than the fake friendliness of some southern towns.

by Anonymousreply 8November 11, 2018 1:13 PM

I'll take cool and reserved, then warming up to you.. versus, the all-out fake, over friendliness right off the bat. The latter are phonies, for the most part. I don't warm up to people right away, either.

by Anonymousreply 9November 11, 2018 1:23 PM

Puritan ethic. *cannot* be be overstated.

by Anonymousreply 10November 11, 2018 1:33 PM

Having lived in the South, I'll take cool and reserved any day. Much better than that phony, chatty bullshit and the yamering on about good manners as they ask you if you've been saved.

by Anonymousreply 11November 11, 2018 1:46 PM

Hell --> Yankee-Land

A Slice of Heaven-on-Earth --> Dixie

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by Anonymousreply 12November 11, 2018 1:58 PM

Those are the only men I let nip and nibble at my bosom.

by Anonymousreply 13November 11, 2018 2:01 PM

WASP’s are cold people.

by Anonymousreply 14November 11, 2018 2:08 PM

Maybe they just don't appreciate blanket stereotyping.

by Anonymousreply 15November 11, 2018 2:10 PM

It's just the way things work. Nothing wrong with either way.

Northerners: Cautious and cold up front until they trust you enough to become friendly. They'll stay friendly until you show you're a two-faced fraud.

Southerners: Warm, friendly & trusting up front. They'll stay that way until you show you're a two-faced fraud.

by Anonymousreply 16November 11, 2018 2:37 PM

OP, here's an irony for you.

Those cold, reserved, hard to make friends with New Englanders are the ones who vote to give you equal rights.

Those warm and fuzzy mid westerners smile no matter whether they're telling you to have a blessed day, or voting in people who'll take your rights away for the rest of your life.

by Anonymousreply 17November 11, 2018 3:18 PM

R17 good point

by Anonymousreply 18November 11, 2018 3:52 PM

I haven't spent much time in New England but before my first visit to New York I was fearful of a cold reception but people could not have been friendlier.

by Anonymousreply 19November 11, 2018 3:57 PM

Aping the English who threw them out.

by Anonymousreply 20November 11, 2018 4:04 PM

Lifelong New Englander here. One day at work (healthcare) we were all introduced to a new manager who stayed to chat for a few minutes. She was lovely with a warm, open way of engaging with others. After she walked away several people remarked on how nice she was.

Someone said 'she must be from out of state' . Everyone laughed. To no one's surprise she turned out to be from the midwest.

by Anonymousreply 21November 11, 2018 4:42 PM

They believe that it is permissible to have an unexpressed thought.

by Anonymousreply 22November 11, 2018 4:53 PM

We may be cold but we're also rather honest and blunt. I am immediately suspicious of anyone who is immediately 'besties' and I know their entire life story in five minutes. Or a year. As a friend (close or not) you may not see me every week or talk all the time but if you need something you don't even need to ask, I am right there. I don't know why we're like this.

by Anonymousreply 23November 11, 2018 5:04 PM

I find it depressing that so many people categorize others into such broad sweeping stereotypes based on rather arbitrary criteria.

by Anonymousreply 24November 11, 2018 5:10 PM

Stereotypes, when applied to the masses, usually are spot on.

by Anonymousreply 25November 11, 2018 5:13 PM

W&W, R20.

But Boston is supposed to be quite Irish? That's what I don't get. The Irish in Ireland are usually quite chatty and extroverted. When people say Irish, I think a general Graham Norton type. But that's not a type that would come from Boston.

by Anonymousreply 26November 11, 2018 5:26 PM

And so many people still haven't figured out why most people retire to the south.

by Anonymousreply 27November 11, 2018 5:31 PM

Irish migration to Boston was around 1820s to 1845. The Brahmin and Puritanical attitudes were already rooted.

by Anonymousreply 28November 11, 2018 8:17 PM

R17 The Tea.

by Anonymousreply 29November 11, 2018 8:22 PM

[quote]I’d much rather have this than the fake friendliness of some southern towns.

Bless your heart.

by Anonymousreply 30November 11, 2018 8:40 PM

I feel incredibly sad for some of the people on this thread saying how much they dislike the way many southerners are overly friendly at first meeting. What miserable friendless lives you people must lead.

by Anonymousreply 31November 11, 2018 9:35 PM

[quote] I feel incredibly sad for some of the people on this thread saying how much they dislike the way many southerners are overly friendly at first meeting.

Would you feel better if I made you a mug of tea? You can cradle it and I won't even judge.

by Anonymousreply 32November 11, 2018 9:50 PM

It's the chowduh! Since we're making broad generalizations, you are what you eat. NE are chowduh heads and clams who keep to themselves, Midwesterners are cows who love bullshit, Southerners are chicken shit talking, pig fuckers and Californians are fruits and nuts. Broadly speaking.

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by Anonymousreply 33November 11, 2018 9:51 PM

Irish are reserved. Nice and friendly and kind - but at least ones I know would never share intimate personal details unless they knew you well. Very clannish - there is no sharing of family business outside the family. Graham Norton is an English media whore. And Irish Americans are a different thing altogether - especially 5th generation Bostonians.

by Anonymousreply 34November 11, 2018 10:22 PM

Yes, and Asians are all inscrutable.

Seriously, are you people for real?

by Anonymousreply 35November 11, 2018 10:25 PM

[quote] I mean, Minnesota is cold, but Minnesotans are generally warm and friendly.

Minnesotans are "nice." They are very pleasant, but they are not warm at all.

by Anonymousreply 36November 11, 2018 10:49 PM

We were Puritans before we were New Englanders. And then we were Brahmins, WASPs and Yankees. It doesn't matter what groups came after; those groups conformed to the Puritan, Brahmin, WASP and Yankee attitude and way of life that was and is deeply entrenched.

by Anonymousreply 37November 12, 2018 12:44 AM

My grandparents sum it up rather nicely. They had the same neighbor across the street for about 30 years. Then they moved. A new couple moved in and 15 years later my grandparents still call them "the new couple across the street."

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by Anonymousreply 38November 12, 2018 1:02 AM

IT'S THE CHOWDER, PEOPLE! THE CHOWDER! OH, THE HUMANITY!!!

by Anonymousreply 39November 12, 2018 1:08 AM

New Englander 's are cold initially but can be very loyal and intelligent. If you want to see truly nasty visit the DC area or Maryland. Picture all the Rude brusqueness of the north combined with all the ignorance , pettiness ,and bigotry of the south.

by Anonymousreply 40November 12, 2018 1:43 AM

Midwesterner here. I’m considered reserved. My family lived in New England and New York before moving to the Great Lakes area. I find people from Western states to be too friendly. They exhaust me.

by Anonymousreply 41November 12, 2018 1:47 AM

It's the shitty food. New England Boiled Dinner. Indian Pudding.

by Anonymousreply 42November 12, 2018 1:54 AM

[quote] Northerners: Cautious and cold up front until they trust you enough to become friendly. They'll stay friendly until you show you're a two-faced fraud.

Yeah, but I don't get that from people from NY and NJ (also northerners). They are more brash and in your face. Definitely picked up on this coldness from New Englanders specifically.

by Anonymousreply 43November 12, 2018 2:23 AM

40 . Bullshit . Fuck you

by Anonymousreply 44November 12, 2018 2:31 AM

r44 = Brett Kavanaugh

by Anonymousreply 45November 12, 2018 12:07 PM

People high here? As south of Connecticut those old phone books in New England went on for miles in the La, Le last names. Thousands of Lamarouxs and such, De names took up the books as well.

by Anonymousreply 46November 12, 2018 1:45 PM

People retire to the south because it's warmer.... and cheaper. Not necessarily because of reserved people.

by Anonymousreply 47November 12, 2018 1:53 PM

Remnant Puritanism, bad winter weather (the winter feels like it's never going to end), Irish fatalism, it's a very inward-looking place, until this century. New York's historical imprint is Dutch, with a mix of immigration from central, southern and eastern Europe . New England's largest immigrant groups were the fatalistic Irish.

by Anonymousreply 48November 12, 2018 2:01 PM

I've lived in many different places in the northeast and Massachusetts for 7 years. By far the coldest, least friendly people I've ever encountered were the ones in Mass. They don't call them Massholes for nothing. Just real jerks---provincial, clannish, suspicious of outsiders, rude as hell. Adults tend to be emotionally stunted and immature in a weird way. They like "taking the piss" as they say, especially with outsiders. Sometimes their subtle and not so subtle ribbing can be down right racist, misogynistic and homophobic. You have to be able to laugh at yourself and let things roll off to prove you can "hang", then they will accept you---sort of. The few "friends" I did make while living there, I didn't keep. So there goes that theory of life long loyalty. They made no effort once I moved away, in spite of overtures on my part. I've never been back. Don't miss it a bit.

by Anonymousreply 49November 12, 2018 2:09 PM

R49, I agree with what you said except the Cape is way over crowded and the beaches are private.

by Anonymousreply 50November 12, 2018 2:14 PM

There are plenty of public beaches on the Cape, including the National Seashore which covers just about the entire outer cape beachfront on the Atlantic. The beaches aren't crowded compared to other places I've been. In the off-season, the Cape is delightfully quiet.

As for r 49, you sound like a real joy to be around.

by Anonymousreply 51November 12, 2018 2:26 PM

R51, they are delightfully quiet for a reason.

by Anonymousreply 52November 12, 2018 2:53 PM

I lived in Massachusetts for eight years. That’s where I learned that all Californians are crazy, all Southerners are stupid, and all Midwesterners are country bumpkins. But of course, New Englanders couldn’t possibly be cheap, rude, or bad drivers. It’s the rest of the world that’s doing everything wrong.

by Anonymousreply 53November 12, 2018 2:58 PM

If you live in the city you will find the reserved but if you live in the smaller towns rural areas, people are much more friendly. I've been in a town north of Boston and have been here for 26 years and even from the beginning neighbors were friendly.

by Anonymousreply 54November 12, 2018 3:00 PM

r8 is correct.

by Anonymousreply 55November 12, 2018 3:02 PM

R8 is absolutely correct. There is one other thing: there is a transitory nature to those coming into New England. We don't consider you someone worth investing our time and effort in creating a friendship with unless you've survived at least three winters here.

I've lived all over the country and love NE best. People mind their business, but if there's trouble in the community, they're right there helping. I have neighbors shoveling my drive after a big snow, flooding saw people with heavy equipment fixing roads for free, etc.

We do have it all here. Now go away so it stays that way.

by Anonymousreply 56November 12, 2018 3:05 PM

Born and raised in CT and lived in NYC for most of my adult life, but I've lived in several Southern states short-term for work assignments. Even after working and traveling extensively throughout the South for years, the religion thing is still so bizarre to me. The way Southerners just start talking about Jesus and their church in professional settings and in mixed company. That is just not done in the Northeast. In fact, it's considered inappropriate and rather gauche.

by Anonymousreply 57November 12, 2018 3:14 PM

[quote]It doesn't matter what groups came after; those groups conformed to the Puritan, Brahmin, WASP and Yankee attitude and way of life that was and is deeply entrenched.

So very true. Italian-Americans are a good example of this. I know the popular stereotype of Italian-Americans are the Guidos of the NYC metro area, but Italian-Americans in New England are basically indistinguishable from WASPs at this point. If it weren't for their last names, you'd never have a clue if you met one from CT, MA or VT.

I don't know what it is about New England, but all the various (white) ethnic groups are all pretty much the same.

by Anonymousreply 58November 12, 2018 3:17 PM

Y’all need to drink some good ole Sweet Tea and be done with it

by Anonymousreply 59November 12, 2018 3:45 PM

Yankee attitude: mind thine own business and I shall mind mine; mind your neighbor in trouble as he would have you mind it; give what is asked only if you can spare it; take care of what is thine, so they are no burden upon others: good neighbors build strong fences, children and connections. Be wary of strangers and blow ins - winds often change and what is fair today becomes a storm tomorrow - time is more valuable than money, so be thrifty

We have good whiskey, R59, and sharpen our tools in the winter if we want company.

by Anonymousreply 60November 12, 2018 3:46 PM

R58, that's hilarious...and soooooo untrue. If anything, NE folks celebrate their ethnic differences far more than in any other part of the country. They're more diverse, too.

Up this way, in the North Country, as we call it (runs from upstate NY to upstate ME), we're pretty white and boring. Lots of the younger men are marrying foreign women these days, so things are changing. There's kind of a hardness to this part of NE that dates back to the War of 1812 and earlier.

Another difference in NE? You will ALWAYS hear from a Texan how they were this other country for a time before joining the US (their objective from the beginning). Here in VT, it's the same thing, only they did it for a lot longer and it was never a given if the Allens would go with Canada or the newly emerging Republic. No one blabs about it unless you ask, though the 6th generations and so on will happily tell you if you do. There's still a faction that thinks we should have gone north with our affiliation....or stayed independent. They tend to be the Frenchies, as we call them, and we love them. Most of their ancestors in VT, Quebec, etc. came out of the Basque region of France and are a pretty independent people as it is.

by Anonymousreply 61November 12, 2018 3:52 PM

[quote]that's hilarious...and soooooo untrue. If anything, NE folks celebrate their ethnic differences far more than in any other part of the country. They're more diverse, too.

Of course there are ethnic celebrations, and nobody's argued that NE is more diverse than other regions. It's more of a question of assimilation into the "Yankee" mindset and manner which is very true, no matter what a person's ethnicity is.

by Anonymousreply 62November 12, 2018 3:56 PM

Habit. Suspicion. Stinginess. A genetically distant tinge of inbred insanity. The aesthetic is a little weird and out of time. The kind of isolation that can lead to madness or genius and you won't know which it was in a New Englander, until the bodies are discovered. And when they're not, you always still wonder if they're out there somewhere. Lichen covered statues and solitary feeling parks, places and objects that I imagine might be creepy to non New Englanders, feel like home to me.

Stubbornness. New Englanders are so, damned stubborn. Don't care how everyone else does things. Don't care if there's a faster, more efficient, cheaper way. This is how it's done, was done and is going to be done forever and ever, Amen. Same problems year after year because everyone is a stubborn hold-out who can sit in the freezing rain with their arms crossed and able to win a staring contest: "I can just put on another fisherman's sweater and do this all day. I can live on a crust of stonehearth bread (because of course it is) and a cup of black tea for four days, without faint. And then I'm chopping a cord of wood because you'll need warming and I'll have to save you because that's just what's the decent thing done. Fie, fie and bah."

The most hard-living, suffering rich people on Earth. Layered pauper threads. Patchwork quilts made out of old patchwork quilts. Frugal to the point of teeth-chattering, damp corridors misery. You turn off those lights in every room but over some corner desk in some corner office you happen to be using. New Englanders actually use the candles Midwestern transplants give us for decor and festivity and freeze the ones we want to keep for when -- not if but when -- the power goes out. We have oil lamps. Most of us remember seeing a parent or grandparent use them at some point in our childhood. Most of us have family members who have hobby farms or craft hobbies. We have the aunt who can use a loom. The cousin who can blacksmith. The uncle who builds dories. Any activity that's mind-numbingly laborious and archaically repetitive, we have it going on in New England. We build stone walls around things for inexplicable reasons. Who is going to steal a tree? If you intend to, not in New England, you are.

Utter devotion to historical preservation even if December wind is blowing through the space in the old leadlights that has been there since the house settled after a flood, a century ago. But not like Maryland or Kentucky renovations, where everything is glossed-up and replaced with reproductions or fixed in a way to make these places presentable to political social circles. No. You take some old wood you pulled off an old shed, piled in an old barn and you patch repair like it was done in 1805. And any old wood you're not using, you give to the neighbor who is always looking for more old wood. Plug that bucket and then tape that bucket and then shellac that bucket because damned it, you're not buying a new bucket. New England stingy bastards will battle over a nickle, while there's a virtual Fort Knox of gold bars in the root cellar.

There's a reason why Brit programming does so well here. Stoney, foggy, gray places feel cozily like home. My favorite days are when it's gray, foggy, quiet and damp. Usually late November when everything is gunmetal silver boughs, tracing silver skies, dark gray water, gray-brown or faded green fields, with a couple of crows thrown in for interest. I always love when Hollywood tries to make scary house "horror stories" because they often come across as mostly comforting to New Englanders.

On another thread, we were talking about cinematography and somehow "The Secret Garden" (1993) came up and I mentioned seeing it as a child and finding the grays and greens of its palette comforting. The scenes that were meant to evoke a sense of loneliness, discomfort and isolation to audiences, felt mostly welcoming to me. I remember thinking, "Ooh,what a nice and cozy room" even though it had a background audio of the wind blowing through the house:

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by Anonymousreply 63November 12, 2018 3:56 PM

A little dark, R63. We do have spring here, but I love your prose.

I've lived everywhere in this country and can say that the upswell of life emerging is spring is like no where else. The people bloom with the trees, too....you'll see girls in short shorts and shirtless men in Bar Harbor no matter how hard the wind is blowing in March.

by Anonymousreply 64November 12, 2018 4:03 PM

I'm always amused by people in other regions of the country who think that Connecticut is nothing but big houses and rich people. As if! They don't believe me when I tell them that CT has ghettoes to rival the South Bronx and white trash towns to rival the white trashiest towns in Alabama.

by Anonymousreply 65November 12, 2018 4:07 PM

It's the winters. THERE IS SNOW ON THE GROUND RIGHT NOW.

You live through a few of these bitches and yes, you don't talk much or want to leave the house. We call the season before Xmas and after the peepers leave 'Misery'

by Anonymousreply 66November 12, 2018 4:09 PM

I'm one of those weirdos who actually loves winter. I'd hate to live in a year-round warm climate.

by Anonymousreply 67November 12, 2018 4:10 PM

Minnesota nice is totally phony, be careful or they will cut you.

by Anonymousreply 68November 12, 2018 4:19 PM

R65 Of course it is. I think it's funny how when Nutmeggers are talking about culture here, everyone else assumes we're talking about rich people. But the difference between Connecticut and other places is that you won't be able to tell the difference between the two, except that the rich people are likely the ones who look more miserable. The "ghettos" are gray, old industrial town skeletons. And even poor people live in run-down old houses.

R64 That's Yankee humor! If you see some guy just digging up rocks in a field somewhere and you can't figure out why, welcome to New England!

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by Anonymousreply 69November 12, 2018 4:21 PM

R63... Beautiful comment, with vivid descriptions of New England. Very poetic. I like when summer is over, and autumn signals the declining of hot/humid weather, the gorgeous foliage... soon the stark grays of winter, with the snows, will be in the forefront. I like that time of year, of hunkering down, feeling snug and cozy in my home. Lovely..

by Anonymousreply 70November 12, 2018 4:22 PM

R62, I get what you're saying, but no, it's not true. People who have Puritan roots behave much more coldly than someone from a North End of Boston or a Providence, RI Italian family. There's no one type of 'Yankee' unless you're referring to the mentality that pits us against our southern friends? Is this another thread trying to be divisive and paint NE people as snooty easterners? We've heard it before.

I was in the US Airforce and heard it then, too...from Alaska to New Mexico there's this perception that NE people are cold and hostile. It's not true and it's sad that anyone would try to characterize a whole region in such a negative way.

As young teens living in Charlestown, we'd go to the Boston Common and give tourists directions so they wouldn't fall prey to the muggers at certain ends of that park. We would run in groups on the Esplanade because we were watching out for the same thing for the young college students. We actually went out of our way to be helpful and kind and though I seldom it these days, I most certainly did see it in the Boston of my youth. We had traffic jams and no honking cars in the middle of it. People stopped for pedestrians and old people crossing against lights. Old timers in the neighborhoods delighted in talking to anyone.

People here have no great expectations of wonderful weather or happy days all the time....but we are grateful and kind when we have them.

by Anonymousreply 71November 12, 2018 4:26 PM

R70 Where are The Danes with their Hygge franchises?! Lost opportunity.

by Anonymousreply 72November 12, 2018 4:28 PM

Sorry r71 but you're wrong. Go to any town in CT and everybody is just "white people" these days. Ethnic characteristics have greatly diluted.

by Anonymousreply 73November 12, 2018 4:30 PM

R38 , you comment reminds me of friend who moved to a 500-people town in Maine. Thirty years later he's still "that fella from New York City."

by Anonymousreply 74November 12, 2018 4:31 PM

Hygge... I had to google that word. Yeah, that could sum up the quiet contentment of holing up in winter. Something simple (nothing superficial or monetary), like a cup of homemade hot chocolate, with a nice 'fire' (which in my case, I use an electric heater/stove... the flames look very realistic) after shoveling the snow. Nice.

by Anonymousreply 75November 12, 2018 4:46 PM

R75 We need to make "Hyggeland" in CT a reality.

Attention all DL Danes: An entrepreneurial opportunity awaits you in CT! Make your Hygge vision a reality in one of our many, abandoned sanitariums. The taxes are high, the Winters are gray but Danes already appreciate both. Don't miss this rare opportunity!

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by Anonymousreply 76November 12, 2018 4:56 PM

Reserved? Maybe. Grumpy? For sure. A lot of them in the service industry seem to be a permanent sour mood.

by Anonymousreply 77November 12, 2018 4:59 PM

The New England service industries are a spur towards self-reliance.

by Anonymousreply 78November 12, 2018 5:03 PM

Connecticut always did resemble New York more than NE, R73. Up here in North country and in the Boston I still know, it's not true.

The divides are still with us and the correlation between your ethnic background and class, though murkier than ever, still remain. Catholics started BC as the Irish Harvard for a reason, though many now go there as well. You don't find many Protestant types from the fancier 'burbs doing the same.

People in the city still separate themselves out and treat strangers differently as a result. You had to open a door to troubled knocking when I was growing up in Charlestown. Try getting the door opened for you on Beacon Hill or anywhere on Charles St. Again, you're wrong. The ethnic lines created a different way of being and the obligation of hospitality to strangers is one of those things we differed on.

by Anonymousreply 79November 12, 2018 5:05 PM

I don't know about "reserved" but I can tell you that they're husbands-stealing whores.

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by Anonymousreply 80November 12, 2018 5:31 PM

r79 it'a matter of manner and general attitude, everybody white is basically "Yankee" now. And don't use examples from when you were growing up, god only knows how long ago that was.

by Anonymousreply 81November 12, 2018 8:09 PM

[quote]Any activity that's mind-numbingly laborious and archaically repetitive, we have it going on in New England. We build stone walls around things for inexplicable reasons. Who is going to steal a tree?

LOL. Perfect. When we lived there we built a loose laid 2' high stone wall at the back perimeter our property from rocks we pulled out of the ground. The ground was full of them. Anytime we wanted to plant something we'd hit a huge boulders. Anyway, we didn't need a wall, we just threw all the rocks we dug up back there so we wouldn't have to haul them to the dump. We joked that in a hundred years some crazy New Englander will be fighting the town tooth and nail to preserve our dumb rock wall.

by Anonymousreply 82November 13, 2018 2:18 AM

My town is full of stone walls dating back to Colonial times. I love the look of them.

by Anonymousreply 83November 13, 2018 3:57 AM

I loaded on the molasses-thick melodrama at R63 for comedic impact (all written in truth, though!) but you know what I'm saying about the rock walls, rock piles, rock mounds, stone work, stone walkways and stone sculptures R82. Rocks, stones, boulders everywhere. You've added your rock piles to the legacy of the place, R82. Stay proud.

Apparently, the rocks started making their way to the surface when settlers started cutting down trees and have been showing up since. Rocks are good companions for New Englanders. It's nice to have neighbors who will really listen to you.

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by Anonymousreply 84November 13, 2018 12:02 PM

This screencap captures New England, in a nutshell:

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by Anonymousreply 85November 13, 2018 12:11 PM

Be careful not to confuse Bostonians with New Englanders. Residents of Boston are often chilly, aloof and humorless, but keep in mind that a large part of the city’s population is from elsewhere. Add to that, Boston’s major industries are medicine, higher education and technology, all of which traditionally appeal to introspective, formal, reserved, idiosyncratic and socially withdrawn types, The rest of the region is remarkably different. While the lion’s share of other New Englanders are somewhat slow in warming to “strangers”, as was noted upthread, when one makes a friend there, that friendship will more than likely endure through every challenge, and last forever.

by Anonymousreply 86November 13, 2018 12:44 PM

They never get laid....

by Anonymousreply 87November 13, 2018 12:46 PM

r87 = Cliff Clavin

by Anonymousreply 88November 13, 2018 12:50 PM

The native New Englanders I knew on the South Shore were conservative in every way, as well as racist. They were afraid to go into Boston (or even Brockton) because actual people of color lived there. They went out of their way to not include or welcome people of color (Haitian Americans, in the case I’m thinking of at the moment) and came up with all kinds of phony reasons why. They would help *each other,* though - when asked. I remember shoveling the driveway and sidewalk for a few hours after a 29” snowfall and looking up to see a neighbor peeking through the curtains at me, as if I was just there to provide free entertainment.

They were very clannish folks and suspicious of anyone not just like them. When I was introduced to a friend of a friend, they would talk to each other without making eye contact with me to include me in the conversation. This happened pretty often, with different people. I never saw anything like that growing up in the Midwest and haven’t experienced it where I live now.

Most of the people I knew had absolutely no interest in anything happening in the country west of Pittsfield. The only other state that existed in their world was Florida. I also met several people who had never traveled outside New England at all and were proud of it. One person vowed to never travel west of the Mississippi. When I pointed out all the natural beauty she was missing, she said, “I can look at pictures.” These were not worldly people, but they behaved as if they knew everything. “We’re a Democratic state,” I was told, “but open-minded enough to vote for a Republican.”

I came to think of “Stiff upper lip” and “New England work ethic” (as well as the best health care in the country) as total myths. People complained all the damn time. In service industries, I couldn’t buy a pack of gum without the clerk discussing his or her last break or next break or inability to take a break. I worked for a volunteer organization that couldn’t get volunteers. As for dealing with weather... total wimps. People wouldn’t even drive in the rain. If you want to know the definition of “hype,” just watch a Boston news broadcast before a big snowstorm hits. Thank God I don’t have to hear about the Blizzard of ‘78 forty times every winter anymore (“People DIED!!!!). I’ve never really had serious health issues, but I went through five doctors in eight years, just trying to find someone competent. I’ve never had that issue before or since.

As an “outsider,” it took about five years to adjust to the “normal” behavior there. When I finally moved out of state a few years later, I didn’t have to go far to realize I wasn’t crazy after all, that there are people in other parts of the country who are actually open, friendly, and happy. I know I’m generalizing, but was my experience. I do go back to Massachusetts to visit once in a while, but I’d never live there again. Which, I think I understand now, is exactly what the Commonwealth wants. Congrats, Massholes. You win.

by Anonymousreply 89November 13, 2018 9:47 PM

OMG R89. We are twins. I agree with and experienced every single thing you described to a T.

Especially this:

[quote]As an “outsider,” it took about five years to adjust to the “normal” behavior there. When I finally moved out of state a few years later, I didn’t have to go far to realize I wasn’t crazy after all, that there are people in other parts of the country who are actually open, friendly, and happy.

Absolutely. I couldn't get over how friendly and nice everyone was when I first moved elsewhere (but still in the Northeast). Took some getting used to.

by Anonymousreply 90November 13, 2018 9:58 PM

Watch the camp classic and awesomely creepy Bette Davis movie, "The Dark Secrets of Harvest Home". It's New England in a nutshell.

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by Anonymousreply 91November 13, 2018 10:03 PM

Pepperidge Farm!

by Anonymousreply 92November 13, 2018 10:07 PM

They drove the cahr into Johnnycake Pond!

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by Anonymousreply 93November 13, 2018 10:09 PM

Yes, r49, your post resonated with me as well. I’m sorry for your similar experience but at the same time, I’m relieved to not be alone!!

by Anonymousreply 94November 13, 2018 10:16 PM

Sorry for you guys. I've had a lot of fun living here and would never go anywhere else. Yes, people take a while to warm to you, but once they do they're good friends and neighbors. Sorry you couldn't make it happen for you.

We just got our first significant snow of the season and I've been invited to a bonfire that I have to get to by snowshoeing through some woods. I've lived here for over 3 years and one thing I've learned that may help you if you come here from 'away': to have a friend, you have to be a friend.

by Anonymousreply 95November 13, 2018 10:21 PM

I gotta say, I’m with you r61/r71. When I moved to my village (yes, a village!) in RI in the 1990s, the ethnic (and racial) lines were very clearly drawn and yeah there’s not as defined today, they still exist.

[quote]I know the popular stereotype of Italian-Americans are the Guidos of the NYC metro area, but Italian-Americans in New England are basically indistinguishable from WASPs at this point.

Lol. Sorry, but try pushing this nonsense with the boys in Warwick or Cranston. Be prepared for this

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by Anonymousreply 96November 13, 2018 10:22 PM

I can also say that R94 and his agreeable friend are not welcome for probably one very obvious reason: they're whiners with expectations.

by Anonymousreply 97November 13, 2018 10:23 PM

Nope, try harder R97. I've been welcomed warmly literally everywhere else I've lived.

by Anonymousreply 98November 13, 2018 10:27 PM

[R8} I think you are on to something...also the weather. I have to laugh thinking back at my mother who married my father when they met while he was in college in Boston. She was from Boston/Cambridge. After their marriage they moved back to his hometown, DC. Mother was really beautiful; but reserved didn't drink or smoke either. After moving to DC she was often greeted by men who would tip their hats to her as they walked by this was in the late 1930s 40s. She was actually offended. thinking they were flirting, when in fact they were being courteous acknowledging a lady..it was typical in the black community, and although mother was black,, beautiful and socialized in Boston's black community, it was a different experience for her when she moved south...years later she laughed at herself. .

by Anonymousreply 99November 13, 2018 10:31 PM

No, I'm not hurt by your truth R98. It's your truth. I can't refute your experience because I didn't have it. It's not generalized to my life or my experience, however, so I will provide a counter view.

Truth is relative and changeable, R98. Not static and insistent upon a view that is negative. I have to go now, to have fun with my friends in New England.

by Anonymousreply 100November 13, 2018 10:32 PM

👑 Urban Legend started by an Old Southern Queen, also known as OP.

by Anonymousreply 101November 13, 2018 10:36 PM

R63, that was wonderfully evocative comment. I am sitting here on my couch and I have two lamps lit because it's dark so early now but I feel guilty. It's a small room, I don't need two lamps on at the same time just to read on my laptop. The thermostat is set to 60 and I have two wool blankets wrapped around my legs.

by Anonymousreply 102November 13, 2018 11:02 PM

Yeah that's another thing. New Englanders are cheap, cheap, cheap.

by Anonymousreply 103November 13, 2018 11:06 PM

We prefer to say "frugal" .

by Anonymousreply 104November 13, 2018 11:21 PM

R102 It's funny because I always prefer natural light, even on dim days. I wait until the last moment I absolutely have to put on "artificial" light to see, to do it. I find it very depressing to have artificial light on during the daytime, particularly when it's very bright outside and avoid putting it on unless someone else wants it. I even prefer to use a book light on rainy days, rather than light the whole room up.

I've often wondered if this is a New England thing because I'm not the only one around these parts who feels this way. I'm like Nosferatu to sunlight, except, replacing sunlight with electric light.

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by Anonymousreply 105November 13, 2018 11:43 PM

I would have been nice to you, R98!

by Anonymousreply 106November 13, 2018 11:45 PM

It's all the baked beans and canned brown bread.

by Anonymousreply 107November 14, 2018 3:00 AM

r101 has reading comprehension difficulties.

by Anonymousreply 108November 14, 2018 12:30 PM

Your imagination OP

by Anonymousreply 109November 14, 2018 12:32 PM

R107 is so right. God I love brown bread.

by Anonymousreply 110November 14, 2018 12:52 PM

I'm the car trunk that is slammed shut in the opening credits.

by Anonymousreply 111November 14, 2018 1:44 PM

^ wrong thread, apologies!

by Anonymousreply 112November 14, 2018 1:45 PM

[quote]Aping the English who threw them out.

They didn't get thrown out; they left of their own accord.

by Anonymousreply 113November 14, 2018 1:55 PM

[quote]I'm one of those weirdos who actually loves winter. I'd hate to live in a year-round warm climate.

I'm from Mass. and y brother was stationed in San Diego for several years, and one time I visited him for six months. The weather never changed! Being sunny ALL THE TIME is not what it's cracked up to be. I missed my seasons.

by Anonymousreply 114November 14, 2018 2:11 PM

I am an academic and have lived all over the country: Chicago, Boston, LA, Pacific northeast, intermountain west, the south. Boston is the worst. People here (Boston) are extremely competitive and classist. They are not kind or warm. They are mostly assholes and refer to themselves, somewhat proudly, as being Massholes.

People in the south are reserved, reluctant to trust outsiders (especially northerners) but they warm up and when they do, are the best people in the country. Do not take themselves too seriously (except for the upper crust who can be a tad rigid). People in the Midwest and the intermountain west are open and friendly, but only to a point. They do not llow outsiders to penetrate their walls. Relationships are not long-lasting.

LA's minority population is awesome. It's power class is obnoxious.

by Anonymousreply 115November 14, 2018 3:14 PM

sorry.. Typo. Pacific northwest.

by Anonymousreply 116November 14, 2018 3:15 PM

Let me guess, r115 is from the South.

by Anonymousreply 117November 14, 2018 4:26 PM

I'm from New England and I too found the the constant religion in the South off-putting. They live it, breathe it, sleep it. It's quite odd seeing people take the Bible literally.

by Anonymousreply 118November 14, 2018 4:34 PM

@R115 . People in the Midwest can relax. We wouldn't want to 'penetrate their walls' , (at least not without a condom).

by Anonymousreply 119November 14, 2018 4:36 PM

Peyton Place told us all this many moons ago OP

by Anonymousreply 120November 14, 2018 4:43 PM

New England Yankees are, indeed, cheap. Spending money can be downright terrifying at times.

by Anonymousreply 121November 14, 2018 5:34 PM

New England Yankees are the foundation of the United States of America. In us you will find the greatness and the smallness of the nation.

We're reserved because we're reserved. We may not run up and hug you, that isn't everything. In fact, it can be very annoying. When we decide that we like you, we actually like you - we aren't faking it. If we decide that we don't like you, we don't, and won't fake it. Please give up, it's not happening.

I live in California now where everyone is fake. I was told just the other day that I'm "a little snobby" which I take to mean "You're from New England." I just ignore it and mark that neighbor down as "not invited" to anything any longer. Freezing someone out is the way to go, glacial glances in town and no comment at all. Confrontation is unnecessary and unpleasant.

by Anonymousreply 122November 14, 2018 5:43 PM

Nope, R117. Originally from Chicago.

R115.

by Anonymousreply 123November 14, 2018 5:55 PM

Loving this thread. R63 got it right. And it's true about the rocks and frugality. It's also true that there are all kinds of New Englanders.

by Anonymousreply 124November 14, 2018 6:09 PM

Well, there's a classic Masshole for ya @ R122. In case anyone was confused or thought we were exaggerating. Now imagine all your neighbors and co-workers are just like R122.

by Anonymousreply 125November 14, 2018 6:40 PM

@R125 . Read it again without your biased blinders. R122 is simply saying that if you can't say something nice, don't say any thing at all. In New England, and many other places, that's considered good manners.

by Anonymousreply 126November 14, 2018 7:15 PM

[quote]if you can't say something nice, don't say any thing at all.

Ha! I'm from Mass. and my parents ingrained in e that very maxim.

by Anonymousreply 127November 14, 2018 7:52 PM

A friend of mine (from New England) was transferred to a town in northern Alabama and said everyone was friendly at first and then they wanted to invite you to their church and if you weren't interested, they'd just drop you. They only socialized within their church. He couldn't wait to be transferred out again.

by Anonymousreply 128November 14, 2018 7:59 PM

In terms of unfriendliness and nasty vibes DC/ mid Atlantic area is the worst, then Massachusetts. I have actually found non Massachusetts new Englanders to be quite pleasant, though they usually aren't "warm " personalities . Midwesterners and southerners tend to be friendlier, albeit a bit too conservative .

by Anonymousreply 129November 14, 2018 9:15 PM

I thought the saying went "If you can't say anything nice, come and sit by me"?

by Anonymousreply 130November 14, 2018 10:23 PM

If you think it's bad being from another part of the country and moving to New England it's ten times as bad being from New England and moving to another part of the country. Over emotional people are so fucking draining. Especially when they want to be all touch feely and up in your business. It's so fucking taxing to be around people who want to be liked by everybody. "We should really hang out". God. I had to work in L.A. for a year to get a GIS project going. How I didn't murder anyone before I got to go back to Connecticut I just don't know. People outside of New England don't know how to have conversations with just looks. In New England you can have a whole conversation without saying a single word.

by Anonymousreply 131November 14, 2018 11:58 PM

R131 do you wear this perfume?

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by Anonymousreply 132November 15, 2018 12:02 AM

Fellow Pilgrims, it's coming upon our favorite time of year! The festive season, where we all unite over groaning and complaining about the winters that come around every year. I can't wait to see your stone solemn faces bitching 'round the sand bins.

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by Anonymousreply 133November 15, 2018 10:10 PM

R110 I love brown bread, too.

by Anonymousreply 134November 15, 2018 10:19 PM

No, WE couldn't possibly be "whiners with expectations"...

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by Anonymousreply 135November 19, 2018 11:31 PM

I have a theory as to why jay walking is so common in Boston. The weather here can be really crappy, from Jan 1 through Jun. The traffic here isn’t really too bad. So, when you get to a corner, and your cheeks are freezing, and the traffic is sparce, why wait for the walk signal? Then people get used to jay walking and carry it forward year long.

Just a thought.

by Anonymousreply 136November 20, 2018 3:59 AM

R63, well done.

Midwesterners are a lot like Yankees, only friendlier. Not as friendly as the west, not as religious as the south, warmer than NE. Just right.

by Anonymousreply 137November 20, 2018 4:26 AM

Thanks R137. That's earned another lump of coal on the fire!

by Anonymousreply 138November 20, 2018 4:28 AM

R63 and R137 - good insight. Thank you

by Anonymousreply 139November 20, 2018 4:31 AM

@R130 . That remark is usually credited to Alice Roosevelt Longworth (daughter of Teddy Roosevelt), originally from NYC, later a Washingtonian.

by Anonymousreply 140November 25, 2018 3:31 PM

New Englanders have to determine whether or not you are worthy of their time.

by Anonymousreply 141November 25, 2018 3:35 PM

Massachusetts is the only place I've seen people cross intersections diagonally. Someone told me it's specifically a Western Mass thing.

by Anonymousreply 142November 25, 2018 3:53 PM

R142 LOL! Right you are. I live in central Mass. and I've seen people do that often.

by Anonymousreply 143November 25, 2018 3:56 PM

wait until you drive through a Mass. rotary for the first time.

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by Anonymousreply 144November 25, 2018 5:32 PM

LOL when you drive through a Mass. rotary you take your life in your hands.

by Anonymousreply 145November 25, 2018 5:36 PM

I was making a bit of a joke, R140. Her quote seems like it should be the datalounge site motto.

by Anonymousreply 146November 25, 2018 5:37 PM

Amen to that.

by Anonymousreply 147November 25, 2018 5:47 PM

Amherst, Williams, Middlebury, and Bowdoin boys :-)))

by Anonymousreply 148November 25, 2018 5:54 PM

My former boss is from Georgia, and she felt out of place in Vermont. She though people subtly looked down on her for dying her hair, blow drying it daily, having her nails done etc.

by Anonymousreply 149November 25, 2018 5:58 PM

dyeing*

by Anonymousreply 150November 25, 2018 5:59 PM

I'm a dyed-in-the-wool New Englander. My ancestors go back to the 1600s on my mother's side. On my father's side, we go back 4 generations. On both sides, it's almost all anglo-saxon. All of my extended family has stayed here in NE ever since. Fuck you if you think we're cold. You can hate me now--I deserve it.

by Anonymousreply 151November 25, 2018 6:08 PM

Interesting you should say that, R149.

A couple of years back there was a man and woman at my local supermarket here in Seattle giving out samples of chowder from a company based near Bar Harbor, Maine. It turned out they were the husband-and-wife owners, not any sort of sales rep. In conversation it became clear that although the wife had a distinct southern accent, she considered Maine as "home".

by Anonymousreply 152November 25, 2018 6:11 PM

Oh, R151. A bit too ostentatious and aggressive. Into the scold's mask with you.

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by Anonymousreply 153November 25, 2018 6:17 PM

R151 no, please, anything but that! Give me the bilbo punishment!

by Anonymousreply 154November 25, 2018 6:30 PM

The worst/best Rotary is in Methuen... 93 north towards NH.

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by Anonymousreply 155November 25, 2018 9:22 PM

Ugh. Methuen. That's where my grandmother's people come from. A bunch of pollack trash.

by Anonymousreply 156November 25, 2018 9:53 PM

R155 that rotary re-design in Methuen is the best thing since sliced bread in terms of traffic flow. Rotaries, as we call 'em--not roundabouts--are evil inventions that condemn the commuter to the throes of traffic hell. Has anyone ever had the pleasure of traveling through the RT 2 rotary in Concord during the morning or evening rush hour(s)?

by Anonymousreply 157November 25, 2018 9:59 PM

rotaries only benefit the crabby, aggressive drivers.

by Anonymousreply 158November 25, 2018 10:03 PM

Interesting thread. I lived in Philly briefly and in New England for several years. Originally from the Midwest. As someone mentioned upthread, I found those in the Mid-Atlantic less friendly than New Englanders

by Anonymousreply 159March 25, 2021 5:18 PM

I live in philly and visit boston frequently and find the bostonians the coldest fish in the water

by Anonymousreply 160March 25, 2021 5:20 PM

There Moms were all frigid and emotionless ice queens - and those traits were passed on to their spawn

by Anonymousreply 161March 25, 2021 5:23 PM

Oh, DEAR r161!

by Anonymousreply 162March 25, 2021 5:26 PM

I've always loved Midwesterners the most.

by Anonymousreply 163March 25, 2021 9:09 PM

If you find New England cold, wait till you visit the Olde.

by Anonymousreply 164March 25, 2021 9:50 PM

[quote]I think New Englanders are cautious in making friends but once they are your friend it is a strong bond.

So it's like Barcelona, then.

by Anonymousreply 165March 25, 2021 10:09 PM

DC is not unfriendly. I live in suburban Virginia, and people here are very nice and neighborly. A lot are quite sweet and charming, especially Black people. Many are very southern in culture

by Anonymousreply 166March 25, 2021 10:51 PM

New Englanders are far less annoying than Californians (very surface) or Southerners (all that phony friendliness). Be glad it takes awhile to meet people and that you will deal with fewer flakes and phonies because you'll figure out who they are w/o getting sucked in by them.

by Anonymousreply 167March 25, 2021 11:17 PM

They are mostly ugly and have horrible accents. They have nothing to be happy about. That’s why they are frigid.

by Anonymousreply 168March 25, 2021 11:20 PM

I don’t like unfriendly people and cultures

by Anonymousreply 169March 25, 2021 11:35 PM

High levels of fart methane emanating from our politicians' mouths constantly in great quantities.

by Anonymousreply 170March 26, 2021 4:33 AM

Thank you r163!

by Anonymousreply 171August 8, 2022 10:04 AM

This is typical English behaviour. I say this as a Brit and Londoner.

I loved talking to people all day when I lived in NYC. They bring out the best in me. Much the same as DLers!

by Anonymousreply 172August 8, 2022 10:25 AM

I hate Yankees!

by Anonymousreply 173August 8, 2022 10:33 AM
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