Was Jordan Knight of NKOTB being groomed to be the Justin Timberlake of that group?
I just stumbled upon this video from 1991 of Jordan performing his solo song from the groups “Step By Step” album. He performed the song with his shirt open and a wind machine.
I was born in the late 80s, so I was too young for them, but was Jordan being groomed to be the JT or Beyoncé of that group? By their 3rd album it was his face they used most to promote, his vocals were mostly the lead throughout, they even gave him a solo song for their 3rd album (similar to what they did to Timberlake on NSYNCs 3rd album “Celebrity”) and would have him perform it without the other 4 guys on stage at all.
My cousin said they wanted to bring him solo after that album cause he was so popular but his anxiety kept him from doing it and instead he wanted time off. That time led to them going on hiatus for a few years and then years later he finally went solo, when no one cared anymore. But idk if this is true.
|by Anonymous||reply 270||Last Saturday at 10:48 AM|
What is the Timberlake solo song?
|by Anonymous||reply 1||11/06/2018|
hate all of these stupid boy band people - what a bunch of sell outs - timberflake sucks so does lance fat ass
|by Anonymous||reply 2||11/06/2018|
R1 “Gone” where it was basically a solo with the other guys doing background vocals for him. You could see by that point he was being pushed to the forefront. Even giving him a video for the song and making it a single.
R2 Lance Bass doesn’t even do music. He’s like a media personality now.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||11/06/2018|
good - because all of these people have very little to no musical talent - everything about them is fake - their corny songs are written for them, produced for them, choreographed for them, and costumed for them - they're liked trained monkeys
|by Anonymous||reply 4||11/06/2018|
Jordan Knight had a big hit single out in 1999 called Give It To You. It was a big hit, earned a gold record, and I remember buying the cassette single.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||11/06/2018|
His ONLY hit. He would have faired better had he released that 8 years prior as intended.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||11/06/2018|
is he still taking it in the pooper?
|by Anonymous||reply 9||11/06/2018|
R9 was he ever taking it in the pooper? His brother is gay though.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||11/06/2018|
"Gone" was credited to N'Sync, You may be the only person who thinks that it's a Timberlake solo song.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||11/06/2018|
R11 I don’t care who it’s credited to. It’s a Timberlake vehicle song.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||11/06/2018|
Jordan was the best good looking boybander. He was handsome and very attractive in his 20s
|by Anonymous||reply 13||11/06/2018|
I love this video. It’s so unintentionally homoerotic. He was adorable.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||01/19/2020|
He was stupid, waited 9-10 years to go solo? Lol
|by Anonymous||reply 15||01/19/2020|
Did Knight have a kid prior to starting his solo career? And I don't mean "have a kid" in a Lou Pearlman way.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||01/19/2020|
[quote] because all of these people have very little to no musical talent - everything about them is fake - their corny songs are written for them, produced for them, choreographed for them, and costumed for them - they're liked trained monkeys
|by Anonymous||reply 18||01/19/2020|
The open shirt, the perfect beautiful hair blowing in the wind machine, the dance moves, the jazz hands... this is Campiness Gold.
I actually love it. He was hot. Perfect tight young body on him here.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||01/19/2020|
He was Lou Perelman's bitch until that guy from O -T took over.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||01/19/2020|
Lou had a bitch in every group. Usually it was the youngest of the group, minus this group, where it was Jordan.
NSYNC = Justin
BSB = Nick
O-Town = Ashley
|by Anonymous||reply 22||01/19/2020|
I always found them interesting as a group. I loved Step by Step when it came out. I was a kid at the time and LOVED it. I always wanted to see them Live. They had so much energy. You can even feel it though videos.
I always found Jordan to be the hottest.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||01/19/2020|
great looking "pretty boy" in his youth and now a great looking "masculine handsome" man now... and the body is still working...
|by Anonymous||reply 25||01/19/2020|
R21’s pic makes me say “where’s the beef?”
|by Anonymous||reply 26||01/19/2020|
There's something mildly ladyish about this.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||01/19/2020|
He was always the one they had front in center starting with their second album. He was the best dancer, best vocalist, and the best looking. He also had the most charm and charisma. He was a star in his youth. And the most marketable as far as looks.
I still listen to The Right Stuff sometimes and feel like a kid again. This was the video I fell in love with him. That face.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||01/19/2020|
He wasn't "groomed," to be anything. He was one of the lead singers, along with the young blonde one.
I thought it was his brother, not Jordan, that left the business because he couldn't get a grip on his anxiety.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||01/19/2020|
Meant to say: He was one of the lead singers so naturally he'd be expected to break out. The other three barely sang and were essentially back up dancers.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||01/19/2020|
But your look always plays a role in being pushed to the front, no matter the talent. That is something very honest from “Dreamgirls”. R32
|by Anonymous||reply 33||01/19/2020|
Their song “Summertime” from their comeback is a guilty pleasure of mine
|by Anonymous||reply 34||01/19/2020|
He's a bit of a deplorable though.
I followed him on Instagram for a bit. It wasn't all about politics but here and there, then unfollowed him. Don't know if that's still the case.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||01/19/2020|
I always thought his gay brother was hotter.
But like Lance Bass, he married a famewhore starfucker.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||01/19/2020|
Sure, R33, but if you're the lead singer, you're going to be pushed to the front, regardless. Three of the other guys, rarely sang, if at all.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||01/19/2020|
On a side note, for a long while, I seemed to be on the same flight schedule as Danny. Heading to the same city, from the same city. We also both seemed to have the tendency of picking the same seat on the flight, so we were usually sitting next to each other (across the aisle).
He was always very happy to take photos with fans.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||01/19/2020|
Lead singers aren't always the best singers...
|by Anonymous||reply 40||01/19/2020|
They were in NKOTBs case.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||01/19/2020|
R40 exactly. He was pushed lead because of his looks. Fortunately he was also the best singer besides Joey, who was a kid.
Donnie did vocals also but always auto tuned
|by Anonymous||reply 42||01/19/2020|
Autotune didn't exist back then, did it?
|by Anonymous||reply 43||01/19/2020|
None of them could sing. Simple as that
|by Anonymous||reply 44||01/19/2020|
r43 no, but something was done to Donnie's vocals. They may have used someone else for some songs. NKOTB got a of shit by the time their 3rd album came out for all the lip-synching they did, minus Jordan. It was a big deal back then.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||01/19/2020|
Truth is that even if Jordan could not sing for shit, he was physically the package, and was gonna be up front and center no matter what. That is how it works in the industry.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||01/19/2020|
Listen to the Autotune on the Jonas Brothers in their underwear new song. They can't sing either. Especially Risky Business Nick. Terrible shit. They're not even cute.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||01/19/2020|
Sweeeeet hole. C’mon ya know it! Aaaaah sweeeet hooooole! Yeah! Dat’s right! Boy’s got a sweeet one! Yeah!
|by Anonymous||reply 48||01/19/2020|
r49 knows nothing about the music industry. They werent a badass band, they were a pop boy group. Its all about sales. Not music or art.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||01/19/2020|
Yes, R50, you are the end all, be all and the only one who knows what they're talking about. We've established that.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||01/19/2020|
r52 it is not about that, it is the TRUTH. They are groups formed for teenage girls. And NKOTB did not form themselves, like NSYNC or BSB and try to get signed, they were created by Lou himself.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||01/19/2020|
Please, for someone claiming they know so much about the music industry they don't realize that they wouldn't put a boy band together without the lead singer being attractive in the first place.
If Jordan couldn't sing for shit, they would have replaced him with someone who could sing and who was attractive.
Name one boy band where the lead singer isn't attractive.
And THAT is how the music industry works.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||01/19/2020|
Exactly, R52, which proves my point. They didn't form themselves. If Jordan couldnt sing he wouldnt have been the star. They wouldve found someone who was better looking and could sing.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||01/19/2020|
[Quote] they wouldn't put a boy band together without the lead singer being attractive in the first place.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||01/19/2020|
[Quote] They wouldve found someone who was better looking and could sing.
You need to do the education.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||01/19/2020|
Guess which one's the lead singer...
|by Anonymous||reply 59||01/19/2020|
Milli Vanilli was not a boy band. Try harder.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||01/19/2020|
Was anyone in 98 Degrees really attractive? Nick Lachey had a big rack but otherwise...
|by Anonymous||reply 61||01/19/2020|
Take That? Go look at the history of how that band was formed. It was formed with the goal of creating a band AROUND Gary.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||01/19/2020|
Indeed. But he wasn't cast for his looks, therefore the claim that they would have found someone good looking to be the lead singer is incorrect.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||01/19/2020|
Does that one member of 98 Degrees still give Glory Hole BJs?
|by Anonymous||reply 64||01/19/2020|
Take That also wasn't formed with the sole aim of being a Boy Band getting teenage girls wet, so it stands.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||01/19/2020|
What was it formed with the aim of? Bringing Barry Manilow songs to a new generation?
|by Anonymous||reply 66||01/19/2020|
[Quote] Does that one member of 98 Degrees still give Glory Hole BJs?
It's the one with the goatee, isn't it?
|by Anonymous||reply 67||01/19/2020|
[quote]What was it formed with the aim of? Bringing Barry Manilow songs to a new generation?
[quote]Martin-Smith's vision, however, was a teen-orientated group that would appeal to more than one demographic segment of the music industry. Martin-Smith was then introduced to young singer-songwriter Gary Barlow, who had been performing in clubs since the age of 15. Impressed with Barlow's catalogue of self-written material, Martin-Smith decided to build his new-look boy band around Barlow's musical abilities.
And they certainly achieved the worldwide success other Boy Bands had with that formula.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||01/19/2020|
I would actually concede one of the exceptions could be NYSNC because frankly, they were all ugly as fuck.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||01/19/2020|
[Quote] Surprsingly, no, [R67].
Oh, well. The one on the left is actually the best looking, if bland.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||01/19/2020|
R71 and he's a Right Wing Religious Nut who cheated on his wife with a Real Housewife!
|by Anonymous||reply 72||01/19/2020|
[Quote] Martin-Smith's vision, however, was a teen-orientated group that would appeal to more than one demographic segment of the music industry. Martin-Smith was then introduced to young singer-songwriter Gary Barlow, who had been performing in clubs since the age of 15. Impressed with Barlow's catalogue of self-written material, Martin-Smith decided to build his new-look boy band around Barlow's musical abilities.
That describes most pop acts - start with teens/tweens and try to appeal to older with the second/third album (if they get that far). And the subtext of the latter part is like with most groups: "We don't see it for any of these people as individuals, so let's put them together and see if Y can provide what X lacks etc."
|by Anonymous||reply 73||01/19/2020|
I’ve masturbated to all of them dozens of times.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||01/19/2020|
By a process of elimination, are we saying the Lachey that's not Nick likes to give thanks on his knees?
|by Anonymous||reply 75||01/19/2020|
No, most bands formed geared towards a tween girl audience makes sure that the front person is the most attractive.
Unless, as we've already stated, they're NSYNC, where they're all equally ugly.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||01/19/2020|
In the early 1990s, Knight was linked to teen pop singer Tiffany; both denied dating at the time. In 2009, the National Enquirer published an article from his ex-boyfriend which outed him as gay. In a January 2011 interview, Tiffany stated that he is gay, which he then confirmed, saying "I have lived my life very openly and have never hidden the fact that I am gay." In a statement on the New Kids on the Block blog, he added "Apparently the prerequisite to being a gay public figure is to appear on the cover of a magazine with the caption 'I am gay'. I apologize for not doing so if this is what was expected!" Knight has been in a relationship with Harley Rodriguez as of 2008. The two participated in the 26th season of the reality competition series The Amazing Race, which aired on CBS in early 2015, where they placed 9th. The two became engaged when Knight proposed on November 15, 2016 while they vacationed in Africa.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||01/19/2020|
r78 that is the other Knight...
|by Anonymous||reply 80||01/19/2020|
I remember when they did that TERRIBLE performance at the AMA's with Flava Flav in 1991
|by Anonymous||reply 81||01/19/2020|
Jordan is great and all but he was no Tommy Page.
Holy shit, Tommy Page is dead?
|by Anonymous||reply 82||01/19/2020|
Jordan was very handsome. I remember when he was on Surreal Life.... he was cool but a bit of a diva.
TOMMY PAIGE WAS A FAKE MUSICIAN ON FULL HOUSE
|by Anonymous||reply 83||01/19/2020|
[quote]TOMMY PAIGE WAS A FAKE MUSICIAN ON FULL HOUSE
|by Anonymous||reply 84||01/19/2020|
I'm also now reminded of this FABULOUS duet Donnie tried it with.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||01/19/2020|
I'm a 90s kid but I never heard that hit until the guy killed himself. It's strange how some hits disappear almost as soon as they chart.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||01/19/2020|
Is he actually considered a pop star if no one knew he was a real life artist and thought he was a Full House ccreation?
|by Anonymous||reply 88||01/19/2020|
Its a shame cell phones and social media didnt exist in 1990. I bet we would have gotten many NKOTB nude leaks.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||01/19/2020|
[QUOTE] Jordan was the best good looking boybander. He was handsome and very attractive in his 20s
Harry Styles is more attractive.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||01/19/2020|
[quote]Is he actually considered a pop star if no one knew he was a real life artist and thought he was a Full House ccreation?
Your ignorance isn't the world's fault.
He was only on Full House because Junior High girls loved the shit out of Tommy Page.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||01/19/2020|
[quote]Autotune didn't exist back then, did it?
But listening to Please Don't Go Girl, Joey's vocals have Autotune quality to it.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||01/19/2020|
[Quote] Harry Styles is more attractive.
You're on the internet. You can't just lie like that. We have receipts.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||01/19/2020|
They still do it with the shitty drum machine?!
|by Anonymous||reply 94||01/19/2020|
It's funny that after NKOTB broke up, Joey couldn't get a recording contract.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||01/19/2020|
R95 he released a solo album....
|by Anonymous||reply 96||01/19/2020|
I would take this over Styles any day
|by Anonymous||reply 97||01/19/2020|
r95 his solo album back in like 99
|by Anonymous||reply 98||01/19/2020|
I never thought Jordan was being groomed for solo success. NKOTB was one of those groups where they really needed to stick together because on their own they just were not as dynamic. If anything, I thought it might be Joey since he was the youngest and seemed to get most of the screams.
Having said that, Donnie and Joey actually formed pretty good acting careers, especially Donnie. Joey was actually really funny in The Heat as Melissa McCarthy's brother.
In the late 90s both Joey and Jordan had hit singles, likely being able to capitalize on the renaissance of teen pop in the '90s thanks to N*Sync, Britney and BSB. But they were not able to ride the wave of the renaissance.
However, you've got to hand it to NKOTB. They still look good and they're very smart to tour based on nostalgia. The boat cruises, the '80s themed tours with Tiffany and Debbie Gibson et al. They're very successful at it.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||01/19/2020|
There would be no BSB or NSYNC without NKOTB
|by Anonymous||reply 100||01/19/2020|
Yeah, R96... which was 5 years after the band broke up and he had to initially pay for on his own and sold on his website.
He wasn't able to get a contract with anyone, even immediately following the break up of the band, most likely due to the timing of everything and Grunge taking over.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||01/19/2020|
[quote]There would be no BSB or NSYNC without NKOTB
And no NKOTB without New Edition.
And Nno New Edition without the Jackson 5 and...
|by Anonymous||reply 102||01/19/2020|
[Quote] they're very smart to tour based on nostalgia. The boat cruises, the '80s themed tours with Tiffany and Debbie Gibson et al. They're very successful at it.
How is that smart? That's the norm.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||01/19/2020|
SO who ever above posted they were a Lou Perlman group is a moron. Lou used to run private jets for rent and wondered how these kids could afford a private jet rental and found out they were a boy band. So can thank NKOTB for Lou the molester.
NKOTB is smart because they have their OWN cruise. Not an 80s cruise it is their fans. NKOTB was special because they were charting on urban charts. No other boy band was charting on the urban charts and pop charts.
|by Anonymous||reply 104||01/19/2020|
r104 they started on the Urban Charts, and were not charting on the pop charts. Their sound started off as urban. Remember, they were the white version of New Edition... it was for the second album that their producers and label realized they could be something way bigger, and they switched to more pop/urban and made Jordan the lead. After that they shot to the top. By their 3rd album they were full blown pop.
|by Anonymous||reply 105||01/19/2020|
[quote]No other boy band was charting on the urban charts and pop charts.
|by Anonymous||reply 106||01/19/2020|
I guess someone defines boys bands as white unless stated otherwise...
|by Anonymous||reply 107||01/19/2020|
According to Billboard NYSNC charted on Pop and Urban charts.
I was surprised that NSYNC only had 2 #1s. Even Britney has 5.
|by Anonymous||reply 108||01/19/2020|
Even Britney? As if she were a one hit wonder....
|by Anonymous||reply 109||01/19/2020|
Britney's chart placings took a nosedive. Lots of her hits have mediocre placings because of chart rules / business deals.
|by Anonymous||reply 110||01/19/2020|
[quote]Even Britney? As if she were a one hit wonder....
Yes, "even" Britney because while Britney was a global success, her ratio of singles to #1s is really low, so it's a surprise that NYSNC's is even lower.
|by Anonymous||reply 111||01/19/2020|
Britney sold 180 million albums and sold out tours....
|by Anonymous||reply 112||01/19/2020|
Britney also can't sing. Same as these white "boys."
|by Anonymous||reply 113||01/19/2020|
[quote]Britney sold 180 million albums and sold out tours....
Yes, and has 41 singles and only 5 hit #1... one of which she only sings the hook of.
|by Anonymous||reply 114||01/19/2020|
Its 2020... no one cares about singles anymore. People werent buying her singles like crazy (she still had many Top 10) because they were buying her albums in full.
When your album comes out January 1999 and you still have the 10th best selling album of the 90s decade, you did well.
|by Anonymous||reply 115||01/19/2020|
Britney sang fine when she started.
|by Anonymous||reply 116||01/19/2020|
I meant at the time - no WHITE boy bands were charting on the Urban Charts. NKOTB and George Michael were getting urban charts and some of the black artists were pissed.
|by Anonymous||reply 117||01/19/2020|
At that time, US record labels were not invested in selling singles but in selling albums. That affected singles chart peaks because some singles were not easily available outside of their parent album.
|by Anonymous||reply 118||01/19/2020|
Many black people still hate NKOTB
|by Anonymous||reply 119||01/19/2020|
The black people that hate NKOTB is because they are seen as white artists that used black inspired music and dancing and culture to sell albums, which they did at first. They were LITERALLY the white version of New Edition.
|by Anonymous||reply 122||01/19/2020|
Maurice Starr was behind both New Edition and New Kids on the Block.
|by Anonymous||reply 123||01/19/2020|
[quote]Its 2020... no one cares about singles anymore. People werent buying her singles like crazy (she still had many Top 10) because they were buying her albums in full.
Yes, it's 2020 and her career was at its peak in the late 90s and early aughts when singles mattered, regardless of album sales.
|by Anonymous||reply 124||01/19/2020|
R117 what other white boy band was there when NKOTB was around?
|by Anonymous||reply 125||01/19/2020|
The sponsorship of Spears' first tour was given to Pepsi. Clear Channel, who wanted to sponsor it, retaliated at losing the contract by blacklisting her from stations owned by them. Hence, the dip in her singles placings while her album sales remained high.
|by Anonymous||reply 126||01/19/2020|
Late 90s? Sweetie, Oops came out a year later and sold 20 million albums.... a year after Britney came out and sold 16 million albums...
|by Anonymous||reply 127||01/19/2020|
Jordan did have a minor hit in the late 90's. Fun fact, the girl in the video is Donnie Walberg's partner on the show blue bloods.
|by Anonymous||reply 128||01/19/2020|
[quote] Its a shame cell phones and social media didnt exist in 1990. I bet we would have gotten many NKOTB nude leaks.
Nude Kids on the Block?
I vaguely recall reading an article in the Star supermarket tabloid around 1990 when NKOTB were popular. It was billed as a shocking expose on how the New Kids weren't as wholesome as their image. The article was about their backstage debauchery, including sex with (female) groupies. If I'm remembering it correctly, the photo that accompanied the article was a photo of Mark Wahlberg (who wasn't one of the New Kids but would hang out with Donnie and the rest of them) posing totally nude backstage, but the tabloid superimposed a giant star over his dick. This was probably a year or two before he became "Marky Mark" (and before the Internet took off). For many years afterward, I hoped that the uncensored photo would surface on the Internet.
|by Anonymous||reply 129||01/19/2020|
Yes. But he couldn’t sustain it and make another hit.
|by Anonymous||reply 130||01/19/2020|
R129 all male musicians get laid more than anyone in the world.
The guys now even admit they fucked many girls during their youth, and moms too.
|by Anonymous||reply 131||01/19/2020|
[quote[Late 90s? Sweetie, Oops came out a year later and sold 20 million albums.... a year after Britney came out and sold 16 million albums...
What part of, "early aughts," did you not nunderstand, sweetie?
|by Anonymous||reply 132||01/19/2020|
^I'm clearly drunk but you get it.
|by Anonymous||reply 133||01/19/2020|
"Was Jordan Knight being groomed to be the Justin Timberlake of NKOTB?" And I got trashed for trying to do a thread about 5 Seconds Of Summer...
|by Anonymous||reply 134||01/19/2020|
[quote]I vaguely recall reading an article in the Star supermarket tabloid around 1990 when NKOTB were popular. It was billed as a shocking expose on how the New Kids weren't as wholesome as their image. The article was about their backstage debauchery, including sex with (female) groupies
I highly doubt Jon was having sex with female groupies...
|by Anonymous||reply 135||01/19/2020|
Janie Lane was having sex with female groupies AND denizens of DL.
|by Anonymous||reply 136||01/19/2020|
Jon was too busy having hot sex with big tittied Tiffany!
|by Anonymous||reply 137||01/19/2020|
[quote] I highly doubt Jon was having sex with female groupies
No, I think it was mostly Donnie and Danny.
|by Anonymous||reply 138||01/19/2020|
R138 and Jordan, who in 1990 was the most popular besides Donnie. Danny and Jon were never as popular and Joey was younger so most older teenage girls weren’t throwing themselves at him.
|by Anonymous||reply 139||01/20/2020|
Joey doing community theater (playing Dion of Dion & The Belmonts)
|by Anonymous||reply 140||01/20/2020|
^What an unfortunate Irish face he has. Did he grow up malnourished? Rickets? An orphan?
|by Anonymous||reply 141||01/20/2020|
r53 Lou wasn't responsible for NKOTB that was Maurice Starr. All of those groups were in part formed by their managers, but some members were discovered or recommended by other group members themselves: Kevin from BSB brought his cousin Brian into the group, Justin and his mom found Lance and convinced him to join, NSYNC, Donnie knew some of the members of NKOTB from school and had them join the band etc.
|by Anonymous||reply 142||01/20/2020|
R142 they had someone different originally and then dropped him and wanted to find someone very young, and searched and found 12 year old Joey McIntyre. The other four knew each other, he was from a different part of Boston.
The four were from a poor part and Joey was from an upper class Suburb in Boston.
|by Anonymous||reply 143||01/20/2020|
Joey would go home crying and wanted to quit because of how mean the older guys were to him. They had to finally let him know they were just busting his balls and treating him like a younger brother, and convinced him to stay.
|by Anonymous||reply 144||01/20/2020|
May mangy leprechauns tear up your hole, laddie!
|by Anonymous||reply 145||01/20/2020|
In most boy bands BSB and after, there's one or two who actually can sing very well, and then the rest are just kind of there for show. they can sing a bit, but they're not the strong voices.
Justin T. really CAN sing, but the rest of N*SYNC (except for JC) couldn't sing lead if their lives depended on it.
|by Anonymous||reply 147||01/20/2020|
R147 that is why JC and Justin sang all the leads. Besides the fact they were the faces for the group.
98Degrees was only Nick Lachey
|by Anonymous||reply 148||01/20/2020|
The hottest one with most presence is always plucked out to be the front and end up with a solo career. The others try to follow but never live up to that ones. Or non live up to it b
NKOTB= Jordan and Joey
NSYNC = Justin and JC
98Degrees = Nick Lachey
BSB = Nick Carter
OTown = Ashley Parker Angel
I liked Ashley’s solo single, though. He was more pop punk rock.
|by Anonymous||reply 149||01/20/2020|
Ashley Parker Angel was actually the Weakest singer of that group. Supposedly the other guys hated him. He wasn’t even originally picked, someone else was. They dropped out and then someone else was picked, and then Lou decided to fire that 5th person and went with APA because the band needed “the face” and “the baby” of the group that would be a teen heartthrob, like Justin and Nick Carter were.
|by Anonymous||reply 150||01/20/2020|
By the time their 3rd album came Jordan was clearly the one they had in mind to make the most $$$ off of. I mean even during their concerts he was always put front and center, and they had to just stand in place, dance in place and sing back up for him while he got to run around and roam the stage in freedom.
Jordan had gorgeous thick dark hair.
|by Anonymous||reply 151||01/20/2020|
I will repeat this story expecting the usual sure jans. I have a "friend: who works in music PR. He told me that he had a meeting with Jordan Knight at the record company. My friend is hot as fuck. He says he meets with him, it is just he and Jordan. Jordan says "you ever seen a nine inch cock" then stands up has his dick out. My firend blew him in the conference room, says it was nice, very thick about 8 but not nine.
|by Anonymous||reply 152||01/20/2020|
R152 seriously? Enough with the fan fiction.
|by Anonymous||reply 153||01/20/2020|
The rise of Grunge and Hip Hop killer pop music, including NKOTB, but you all forget in 1995 they got back together and released a Grunge/Hip Hop album. It is hysterical to listen to now.
|by Anonymous||reply 154||01/20/2020|
r150 that is not true - they were all picked on Making the Band on MTV. Ikika was the one who left the original ban and was replaced by Dan - the obviously gay one.
r153 I am only retelling and I have no reason not to believe my friend. Mind you this was years ago near the height of their popularity.
|by Anonymous||reply 155||01/20/2020|
[quote] The black people that hate NKOTB is because
|by Anonymous||reply 156||01/20/2020|
Jordan looks like one of them girls from Fact Of Life in R151. They're all before my time, but he looks like a tough girl. I don't care for his lesbian updo.
|by Anonymous||reply 157||01/20/2020|
He looks like a beautiful man
|by Anonymous||reply 158||01/20/2020|
Which one was hospitalized for cum?
|by Anonymous||reply 159||01/20/2020|
Ashley Parker Angel had a reality show later on MTV or VH1 or something, when I was young. Him and his baby mama. I remember one scene where he had to go food shopping and didn't really know what to do. And another scene where one of the guys in his band was working construction - and Ashley, too, I think. It was maybe the first time I realized not everyone who was ever on TV or in music has a forever career or money.
|by Anonymous||reply 162||01/22/2020|
R162 he does Broadway and plays in NYC now. He is doing better now after divorcing his wife.
His son was on AHS Hotel.
|by Anonymous||reply 163||01/22/2020|
See, I was wrong. Everyone who was ever on TV does have a forever career and money.
|by Anonymous||reply 164||01/22/2020|
They can always come back
|by Anonymous||reply 165||01/22/2020|
There used to be a time when teen heartthrobs went away after their shelf life was over. And other flashes in the pan. But now I don't know if anyone noticed - this never happens any more. Now there are at least conventions for so many ex-TV shows, so there's money to be made. Charging for m&g's, photo ops and autographs. At best the teen sensations get a new life, like the NKOTB/BSB shows (aka, NKOTBSB). Too bad someone like Jamie Walters couldn't have hung on a little longer (I think he's an EMT now - which is cool) ...but really no one's career actually dies now. And with Quentin Tarantino, no former movie stars get left behind either. We no longer get to gloat about all the has-beens.
|by Anonymous||reply 166||01/22/2020|
r23, that has to be one of the worst live performances I've ever seen but I do love Step by Step, video. That was my jam when I was like 8 years old.
|by Anonymous||reply 167||01/22/2020|
R167 I think Jordan was awesome.
|by Anonymous||reply 168||01/22/2020|
Jordan was the best looking and I like his nipples.
|by Anonymous||reply 169||01/23/2020|
1d were more successful than these hoes. Even Louis Floplinson walked out with 30m.
|by Anonymous||reply 170||01/23/2020|
Concert engagements have always been the primary money maker for recording artists. And concert ticket prices are at an all time high, right? It's no surprise that 1D made more money.
|by Anonymous||reply 171||01/23/2020|
Styles is already making more money per year than he did in 1d, via two number one albums, merch and arena tours.
|by Anonymous||reply 172||01/23/2020|
NKOTB outsold Michael Jackson and Madonna in the early 90s and made over $150 million in One Year. They brought in money.
|by Anonymous||reply 173||01/24/2020|
R22 I always thought JC Chasez was the one in *NSYNC bending over for Pearlman? He was definitely the prettiest. I thought Timberlake was too supervised.
|by Anonymous||reply 174||01/24/2020|
Jordan looks hot still. JC looks like SHIT
|by Anonymous||reply 175||01/27/2020|
JC would look better if he stopped dyeing his hair. Long hair doesn't really suit him either.
|by Anonymous||reply 176||01/27/2020|
He looks ok here. He was never exactly a knockout. Good eyes but the rest was always meh.
|by Anonymous||reply 177||01/27/2020|
Didn't Donnie tell a story about all the New Kids, except Jonathan, jerking off together in a hotel room ?
|by Anonymous||reply 178||01/28/2020|
I think he enjoys admiration from the girls and the boys.
|by Anonymous||reply 180||01/28/2020|
r178 Only in your dreeeeeeeams
|by Anonymous||reply 181||01/28/2020|
The guys from NSYNC were always so ugly looking to me. BSB, 98, even O-Town were way cuter.
Ramen noodle head, fuggo Kirkpatrick, dizzy blond queen...when Joey Fatone is your "hot one" then you know you're in trouble.
|by Anonymous||reply 182||01/29/2020|
I'm positive Donnie told a story in an interview where he said they were jerking off in a hotel room together
|by Anonymous||reply 184||01/30/2020|
JC always comes off bitter about Justin’s solo success vs him flopping hard.
|by Anonymous||reply 185||01/30/2020|
[quote] JC always comes off bitter about Justin’s solo success vs him flopping hard.
I think JC might have been able to have successful solo career if he hadn't released that stupid "All Day Long I Dream About Sex" song. That pretty much killed his bid for a solo career.
|by Anonymous||reply 186||01/30/2020|
Are you forgetting "Some Girls Dance With Women"?
|by Anonymous||reply 187||01/30/2020|
R186 the entire album FLOPPED. No way he was having a successful solo career. Most dont.
JT and Beyoncé are rare.
|by Anonymous||reply 188||01/30/2020|
I always thought that JC would be the successful member of NSYNC, which sadly was not to be. Haven’t heard from him in such a long time.
|by Anonymous||reply 189||01/30/2020|
Always loved “Step by Step” very catchy song.
|by Anonymous||reply 190||01/30/2020|
JC’s solo album sold a total of 121,000 copies. He was never gonna have a big career. Some aren’t solo acts.
|by Anonymous||reply 191||01/30/2020|
I met Jordan once many years ago briefly. He was a dickhead for no reason. So if he acts like that on a regular basis behind the scenes, it’s no wonder his solo career never took off.
|by Anonymous||reply 192||01/30/2020|
[Quote] He was a dickhead for no reason.
Paint us the picture.
|by Anonymous||reply 193||01/30/2020|
Some people say he is nice. Some say he isn’t. He is someone that likes to be to himself and left alone. He grew up poor and sharing a room with siblings, and then was always with NKOTB. He was never alone. Once they broke up he became very introverted and always wanting to be alone.
|by Anonymous||reply 194||01/30/2020|
[quote] JC’s solo album sold a total of 121,000 copies. He was never gonna have a big career. Some aren’t solo acts.
JC's album flopped because he went for an '80s sound with an "I'm a sex maniac who can't get enough pussy" theme. If he had released an album with songs more in keeping with his NSync style and image, he might have been able to have a mildly successful solo career, at least for a few years.
|by Anonymous||reply 195||01/30/2020|
He wouldn’t have r195. Nick Carter released a good pop album that FLOPPED. Same for Jordan Knight (and his lead single went Platinum!!!!)
Kelly Rowland had a couple of minor hits from her solo album plus a smash hit with that Nelly song and her album still tanked.
Some have it. Some don’t. Not everyone is meant to be solo. JC doesn’t have the looks to be a solo pop star anyway. Never did. JT did.
|by Anonymous||reply 196||01/30/2020|
JT was always pushed as “the hot one”, as well as the baby (he was like 16 when they broke out here) and the one girls loved most.
|by Anonymous||reply 197||01/31/2020|
It was pretty obvious that the label was pushing Timberlake as a solo artist so he got the best producers, JC not so much.
|by Anonymous||reply 198||02/01/2020|
It’s all about money. They knew who would make them more money. JT was also a lot younger. He was like 19 when his solo album dropped. JC was already late 20s. People forget the rest were older than JT
|by Anonymous||reply 199||02/02/2020|
[quote]JT and Beyoncé are rare.
|by Anonymous||reply 200||02/02/2020|
R200 based on all the failed solo’s vs successful, yes, it is still rare.
|by Anonymous||reply 201||02/02/2020|
The American Music Awards performance of NKOTBBSB
|by Anonymous||reply 203||02/02/2020|
I used to be in love with Jordan. So hot when he was young.
|by Anonymous||reply 204||05/10/2020|
R205 yes. He was. And still looks good.
|by Anonymous||reply 206||05/10/2020|
His solo career flopped because he has no personality.
|by Anonymous||reply 207||05/10/2020|
What is the gay brother up to these days? Did he get married to the Latino bf?
|by Anonymous||reply 209||05/11/2020|
More likely he was being groomed to be a producer’s cumdump
|by Anonymous||reply 210||05/11/2020|
R209 he is married I believe and they live a peaceful life together. Very cute couple. They did The Amazing Race together I believe.
He’s also very very close friends with Kirstie Alley.
|by Anonymous||reply 211||05/11/2020|
Jeff Timmons from 98 Degrees could've had a very successful gay porn career had he not wasted his time being an extra in 98 Degrees. Same goes for Kevin Richardson from BSB, though he looked very similar to Eric Hanson.
|by Anonymous||reply 212||05/11/2020|
Yes, because making millions as an extra in a superstar boy band is worse than gay porn.
I’m sure gay porn would pay them so much more...
|by Anonymous||reply 213||05/11/2020|
There was an article i read in some tabloid back in the day it was about Jordan (not Jon) who wanted to be/desired to be a woman and his therapist was encouraging him to expressed himself starting with the 2 earings in each ear, fashion ect ...the guys were furious about it especially Donnie because Jordan was the talented one on that group. Anyone had that article?
|by Anonymous||reply 214||05/11/2020|
[quote]What is the gay brother up to these days? Did he get married to the Latino bf?
I could be wrong, but I think they’re just playing married (rings, using each other’s last names), but aren’t really. I say this because I never heard of them having a wedding or seen any pictures of their wedding and I’m pretty sure there would be pictures if they had married.
|by Anonymous||reply 215||05/11/2020|
Nope they’re not married. See this update from last year.
I’d be damned if I was with someone for 12 years and I wasn’t married yet.
|by Anonymous||reply 216||05/11/2020|
Here is the article the title is called “New kid wants a sex change”
|by Anonymous||reply 217||05/11/2020|
Jordan sure was beautiful and a bit feminine back in the day.
|by Anonymous||reply 218||05/11/2020|
Jordan didn’t have the ambition that Timberlake did for a solo career. Donnie and joe actively sought out acting roles and joe did musical theater. Jon had crippling anxiety but did well in real estate.
There used to be a show on vh1 called bands reunited and they tried to get the New Kids back together about 5 years before they actually did. Only Jon and Jordan agreed to it.
|by Anonymous||reply 221||05/11/2020|
Jordan didn’t have the ambition that Timberlake did for a solo career. Donnie and joe actively sought out acting roles and joe did musical theater. Jon had crippling anxiety but did well in real estate.
There used to be a show on vh1 called bands reunited and they tried to get the New Kids back together about 5 years before they actually did. Only Jon and Jordan agreed to it.
|by Anonymous||reply 222||05/11/2020|
He’s 50 years old but he can KICK STREECH AND KICK!!!!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 223||05/11/2020|
"I’d be damned if I was with someone for 12 years and I wasn’t married yet."
According to the bf, they're trying not to rush things. Lol.
I though wearing commitment rings and calling your partner "husband" was cute when gay marriage was not legal and a possibility for gay couples. But I think it is just ridiculous now. Either get legally married and wear your husband's ring and name or just say you have a partner and fuck the rest. Maybe this is also about money and Jon doesn't want to share his estate or support his partner.
|by Anonymous||reply 224||05/11/2020|
Since when does DL care about marriage? Does that piece of paper matter?
|by Anonymous||reply 225||05/11/2020|
[quote] I meant at the time - no WHITE boy bands were charting on the Urban Charts. NKOTB and George Michael were getting urban charts and some of the black artists were pissed.
I dont recall NKOTB receiving airplay on black radio. When did that happen? Which songs? I think black audiences generally disdained them because they were created by the guy who produced New Edition and enjoyed greater commercial success than NE.
In the early days, George Michael was embraced by black music fans. His early songs were played on black radio as if he were a black artist. His videos were played on BET. That changed when his music became more white and gay ("Listen Without Prejudice")
|by Anonymous||reply 226||05/11/2020|
R226 their market was to black audiences at first. The original “Please Dont Go Girl” Video even had them in a mostly black school with a “black” love interest. The sound of their first album was more R&B. It was with their second album they went more Bubblegum Pop.
They later redid the video to sell it to white girls.
The original video.
|by Anonymous||reply 227||05/11/2020|
The revised video, now moved from the groups hometown of Boston, to Brooklyn, NY. And the video is less of a story and the girls in the video are now all ... WHITE.
|by Anonymous||reply 228||05/11/2020|
^OMG how old is Joey in that video? It looks like a kindergartener is lusting after his teacher.
|by Anonymous||reply 229||05/11/2020|
People forget Joey was younger than the rest of the group. He was only like 11 or 12 when he was found and placed in the group. He was also bullied by the rest of them and almost quit daily until they calmed down and let him know they’re just messing with him because they like him. His mother said he would come home crying daily because of the bullying.
The other 4 knew each other in real life and formed the group. There was originally a different 5th member that was later dropped by the creator of the band because he wanted someone younger and from a different background within Boston.
The other 4 are from poor areas of Boston, from poor families. Jordan said they would wear sneakers with holes in the bottom to school. Joey is from an Upper Middle Class area of Boston, and was not used to what the other 4 were, as he had not been exposed to what they had been.
Joey is only 47 now.
|by Anonymous||reply 230||05/11/2020|
[quote]Jordan didn’t have the ambition that Timberlake did for a solo career.
He also had a baby during his brief comeback, which doesn’t help you keep a “sexy” image.
|by Anonymous||reply 231||05/11/2020|
R224 Imagine being with someone for all those years, and if you break up, you walk away with not a cent. No way would that setup work for me. But if they’re OK with that, that’s all that matters. I just don’t understand the point of playing husbands but won’t make it official.
|by Anonymous||reply 232||05/11/2020|
R204 r205 that’s a nice picture. Danny has a foundation in honor of his mother who died of breast cancer, he is very sweet and speaks of her so lovingly. She used to bake birthday cakes for all of the neighbor kids and he does it now.
|by Anonymous||reply 233||05/11/2020|
Jordan turned 50 today...
|by Anonymous||reply 234||05/17/2020|
[quote]Was Jordan Knight of NKOTB being groomed to be the Justin Timberlake of that group?
If course he was because he was banging the boss.
|by Anonymous||reply 236||05/17/2020|
Who was Justin Timberlake groomed to be?
|by Anonymous||reply 237||05/17/2020|
[quote] Jordan turned 50 today...
That kinda blows my mind. I guess we'll be dead soon.
|by Anonymous||reply 238||05/17/2020|
I see what you did there, R238.
|by Anonymous||reply 239||05/18/2020|
He was a dreamboat in his youth
|by Anonymous||reply 240||09/12/2020|
I always thought that Jordan was the only one with talent in the group. I remember all the girls going gaga over Joey McIntyre. Danny Wood was (and still is) the ugly one in the group.
|by Anonymous||reply 241||09/12/2020|
Talking about Tommy Page. I wonder whatever happened to Nick Kamen?
|by Anonymous||reply 242||09/12/2020|
R241 I knew girls who loved him but I do feel I knew more girls who liked Jordan and Donnie more. I usually assumed girls who liked Donnie liked guys that would get them in trouble.
|by Anonymous||reply 244||09/13/2020|
People who have met Jordan say he's an arrogant asshole. Which kinda ruins his appeal.
|by Anonymous||reply 245||09/13/2020|
Jordan and Joey were the only good-looking and talented ones in the group. Donnie had thuggish appeal I guess. Danny is unattractive. Jonathan looks way better now as he's tanned and mature.
|by Anonymous||reply 246||09/13/2020|
Does his salami still have its casing?
|by Anonymous||reply 247||09/13/2020|
He’s a white kid from Boston. I doubt he wouldn’t be circumcised
|by Anonymous||reply 248||09/13/2020|
New Kids benefited a lot from their joint tour with Backstreet Boys as it made them relevant with younger millennials who now obsess over them too
|by Anonymous||reply 249||Last Wednesday at 9:12 AM|
[quote] everything about them is fake - their corny songs are written for them, produced for them, choreographed for them, and costumed for them
As opposed to whom, dear?
|by Anonymous||reply 250||Last Wednesday at 9:14 AM|
Agree with r250. That is the case for most pop stars
|by Anonymous||reply 251||Last Wednesday at 10:42 AM|
He was a beautiful young man. Since he was closeted, the added pressure for him to be a solo act (at a time when people were not as accepted of out gay men) must have been frightening.
|by Anonymous||reply 252||Last Wednesday at 11:32 AM|
If he has issues with sexuality and gender identity that could explain his douchebag behavior or he's just a narcissist.
|by Anonymous||reply 253||Last Wednesday at 1:39 PM|
Jordan doesn’t, Jonathan did. Jordan has been married and has kids. His brother finally came to terms with being gay.
|by Anonymous||reply 254||Last Wednesday at 1:43 PM|
Jordan talked about growing up in a working class mixed neighborhood in Boston. His family was a large Episcopal minster's family and his parents ran a foster home. One of his adopted brothers is black and he talked about growing up when there were racial tensions in Boston. His black brother got called the "n word" in the streets and it hurt Jordan very deeply. But what I don't get is why did Jordan and the rest of NKOTB never publicly condemned Mark Wahlberg's racist antics especially when you have Donnie who will always give credit to "New Edition" and talk about how he and the rest of New Kids admired black culture. Jordan was a b-boy, breakdancing on the subway and Donnie was a freestyle rapper. That said, New Edition seem cool with New Kids. Also Jordan doing a duet album with Nick Carter is weird, Nick has a raspy baby doll voice while Jordan has a deeper voice.
|by Anonymous||reply 255||Last Wednesday at 3:58 PM|
This duet is so weird. Sounds like a Robin Thicke/Justin Timberlake reject song. Nick can't sing. Who's idea was for these two to make a joint album? They aren't Toni and Babyface.
|by Anonymous||reply 256||Last Friday at 1:53 PM|
Nick Carter required lessons on how to sit on a stool. This is not a play on words. He didn't know how to sit on a stool, or how to get on or off one. He couldn't learn it in a day either. It took professional choreographers and coaching. He's a lucky bitch because he's one of the top 10 stupidest celebrities of all time. Zero talent. Sit Nick.
|by Anonymous||reply 257||Last Friday at 3:25 PM|
Nick and JT debut solo albums came out weeks apart. People though Nick would be JT’s biggest competition but he flopped so bad.
|by Anonymous||reply 258||Last Friday at 3:28 PM|
Only AJ and maybe Kevin had a bigger shot at solo success but neither seemed interested. Nick cannot sing well, or dance well, or has any soul in his singing. He has no fashion sense either. MTV did push his solo album but nobody wanted to hear an outdated sounding pop rock album with songs like "Miss America".
JT's debut had a strong R&B and hip-hop production courtesy of The Neptunes and many danceable tracks. JT could dance and had that cocky white boy swag, it was inevitable, he would outperform Nick.
|by Anonymous||reply 259||Last Friday at 7:19 PM|
Kevin? Are you serious? We had the thinnest voice of them all. The only thing he had going for him was he could be Eric Hanson's porn twin.
|by Anonymous||reply 260||Last Friday at 7:32 PM|
Kevin was good-looking and charming. JT also had a thin voice too but he still took off. It was the late 90s/early 2000s and J. Lo, Mandy and Britney were a thing too and Janet and Madonna still enjoyed success. So Kevin had a shot on his looks alone and could have relied on studio help.
|by Anonymous||reply 261||Last Friday at 7:46 PM|
Even if Kevin couldn't sing, AJ could. And both are much hotter than JT and Nick could ever dream to be.
|by Anonymous||reply 262||Last Friday at 7:55 PM|
AJ's got some dark demons. If one more repressed memory surfaces, he'll get a face tattoo. Lou Pearlman preferred blondes so maybe he was diddled by a family member.
|by Anonymous||reply 263||Last Saturday at 5:13 AM|
Poor Aaron had so much faith his big brother would beat Timberlake in sales lol. The comments are funny. Even back then Aaron was a pathological liar. Also, I'm surprised Timberlake admitted to getting drunk before a performance.
|by Anonymous||reply 264||Last Saturday at 5:54 AM|
New Edition was smart to get rid of Maurice Starr. Their music afterwards vastly improved. Johnny Gill added some more grown vocals. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis were a major upgrade for production. Heart Break was one of the greatest R&B/New Jack Swing albums of all time. Bobby Brown's solo career was impressive and Don't Be Cruel is a classic.
New Kids stuck with Starr who kept writing bubblegum stuff that they were too old to be singing. A lot of their music didn't age well at all at all even for 1980s standards. They finally ditched Starr for Teddy Riley for their 1994 album Face The Music. Major upgrade in production but it was too late as their fans grew up and moved on.
|by Anonymous||reply 265||Last Saturday at 6:11 AM|
I think it would have been hard for Jordan to go solo. New Kids were considered lame and derivative. Bobby Brown was able to break into solo because he had that cocky street appeal. Jordan was a meek church boy in comparison.
JT had the benefit of dating Britney, NSYNC being hot on the R&B charts and getting features.
|by Anonymous||reply 266||Last Saturday at 6:30 AM|
[quote] He's a bit of a deplorable though.
Yeah, just a bit. Just remember "I'm Independent" in this context always means "I'm a moron". This is from his facebook
[quote] Hey everyone... I’m not a Republican, I’m not a DemocratI’m an Independent. Regardless of Trumps personality or what you or I think of him, I’ve always thought this was a political witch-hunt. An unethical act to try to take down an American President! It made me very angry to see the media spinning this story, lying, and trying to convince and brainwash the WHOLE WORLD that the president COLLUDED WITH RUSSIA to win the election, all to enhance their own political agenda and narrative. That is a seriously messed up and awful thing for our country!! That is why I am happy with this outcome because it is what I believed all along. Whether I am or I am not a Trump supporter doesn’t matter here! You would all be surprised of what my political views are. I will tell you this, they aren’t all Republican or all Democrat. They are INDEPENDENT!
|by Anonymous||reply 267||Last Saturday at 6:45 AM|
He attacked CNN on Twitter too, defending some ignorant statement Trump said to an Asian American reporter.
|by Anonymous||reply 268||Last Saturday at 7:04 AM|
[quote] To twist, distort and magnify everything into a racist story is racist, exploitative and devisive on the media’s part. Him saying “ask China” to a reporter who is Asian is not racist unless you are viewing everything through a racial lens. And they say Trump is devisive?!
I'm going to take my advice from someone who spells "divisive" wrong. He's one of us!!
|by Anonymous||reply 269||Last Saturday at 7:20 AM|
Jordan should have gone to TV or movies in the 90s. He had a soap opera beauty to him when young. He would have to tone down that Boston accent though.
|by Anonymous||reply 270||Last Saturday at 10:48 AM|