Princess Margaret Once Said To Queen Elizabeth (the royal mum not her sister)

I read that in Kitty Kelly's book, The Royals. What a cunt. Don't you know Mum was fuming. Great book btw. Love KK.

QE was the daughter of the french cook.

Princess M was a complete fucking nothing. She had the phony Germanic ancestry that was not British. She looked like an ibred Teuton. In terms of The Repiotilian hiiearchy ,The Queen mum was the alpha bitch of that group with Elizabeth running second. M was hardly part of their ceremonies with the family in their real form.

During a fire drill at Sandringham all the royals followed procedure and exited the palace...except one. The fire warden informed the Queen Mum that her daughter the Princess Margaret was still in bed and refused to evacuate. The Queen Mum smiled sweetly and replied "Well she'll just have to burn."'

There is nothing phony about our "Germanic ancestry," R3. There is, however, something phony about you.

I've been reading "99 Glimpses of Princess Margaret" and she comes off as kind of a tragic figure - extremely spoiled, not well educated, no discernible talent and with no real sense of purpose like her sister. She was extremely cunty to her mother due in part to the fact that her father completely indulged her - and had died relatively young - so her more forthright mother was stuck dealing with what a monster she'd become. She was very snobbish & nasty, but people laughed at her pretensions and liked to gossip about her - even her close friend.

In many ways she seemed a lot like Diana and Sparkle- very attention seeking, wanting to be loved, wanting the spotlight - but the royal family didn't really allow (particularly then) that kind of behavior - so she had to resort to other ways to act out.

I don't remember the full story verbatim, but I remember reading in a biography once that a good male friend of Princess Margaret received the royal cold shoulder for some time before finding out why. He didn't know what he'd done wrong. Finally, at the time they resumed their friendship, Margaret informed him of his unforgivable mistake: She fumed at him "You introduced me as Princess Margaret to one of your friends. You know perfectly well that as the daughter of a King and being born of the blood that I am to be introduced as THE Princess Margaret!"

I hope that someone had the balls to slap that chick at least once.

She was fabulous. I hate these "down to earth " Royals. I want my Royal family to be snooty cunts like in the good old days

Hey Ryan, make a Feud with THE Princess Margaret.

She and Prince Andrew were cut from the same cloth. Dim witted narcissistic snobs who are bitter about not being the first born.

She was friends (or probably frenemies) with Elizabeth Taylor. I remember reading about one ET's engagements to Richard Burton , where she was showing off her giant diamond ring. PM said "It's so vulgar" or something so ET handed it to her to try on. As PM stood staring at it on her finger, ET said "Not so vulgar now, is it?"

Jesus, how many threads on the British Royal Family do we need?

We need sufficient.

I heard The Princess Margaret arrived at a party once and someone asked her, "And how fares the Queen?" She replied, "Which one--my sister, my mother, or my husband?"

She had a fabulous life. And why not spoil her? She was a real princess and the family had the title and money to support her habits.

Now, on to her cunty response to her mother. The Queen Mum should have reminded her that she was actually a Queen and not some irrelevant princess of the blood. So no matter her blood she was relevant. Then I would have laughed in her face and kicked her sorry ass out of my palace.

How was Margaret with QEII? Since her sister held the purse strings.

Elizabeth said that to the queen mum when she was a girl, not Margaret to the queen mum. It was in the KK book.

What r8 said -- snooty cunts and not forever-in-our-faces charity shills.

The Queen Mother (her correct reference when talking about her) should have had one of her many gays go all bitch on Mags and slap her across her face. She probably wouldn't have remembered it the next day when she woke up from her alcoholic stupor around 4pm.

She's my idol!

[quote]QE was the daughter of the french cook.

Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother was the spitting image of Cecilia Bowes-Lyon, she was not the cook's daughter.

R13, that made me laugh loud enough to frighten the kitten off my lap!

Margaret never forgave her mother and sister for the Peter Townshend debacle. She believed they were on her side and later discovered they really weren't. For the rest of their lives, the Queen Mother was often target of Margaret's bitterness over life in general.

She was called "cookie" by The Duchess of Windsor in reference to her portly frame and mother - the Queen mother that is.

Elizabeth and my other sister-in-law, Alice were just common little Scottish girls. But, my complaints fell on deaf ears.

Her Majesty, the Queen, and Her Royal Highness, Princess Diana, were out for a drive in the country. Suddenly, upon a quiet road, they were set upon and stopped by a highwayman. He forced them out of the car at gunpoint, and demanded their jewels.

"Give me your tiara, Ma'am," demanded the robber.

"I'm sorry," replied the Queen. "I did not wear my tiara today."

"Well then, give me your ring, your highness!" demanded the robber.

"I'm sorry, but I didn't wear my ring today," replied the Princess.

Frustrated, the robber waved them away, and drove off with the Bentley, getting at least something for his efforts. The Queen, Princess and their chauffeur made it back to Windsor castle, where they related their ordeal to the Queen Mother.

After the Queen Mother received an account of the robbery she turned to Queen Elizabeth and asked, "I thought that you wore your tiara today?"

"But I did. When I saw the robber pull us over, I hid the tiara in my private place."

The Queen Mother turned towards Diana and said, "And you - I thought you wore your ring today?"

"I did, but like Momsie, I hid the ring in my private place."

At this point the chauffeur interjected, "It's a shame, Ma'am, that Princess Margaret wasn't with us. We could have saved the Bentley!"

That made me laugh so hard I almost knocked a lung loose!

Well, I was born a Princess with royal blood on both sides of the family, yet my idiot cousin George made me a commoner when I married in 1919.

The Princess Patricia case is an interesting one R26. For some reason, I remember reading that while she did fall in love with Captain Ramsey, a commoner, the RF was actually ok with the marriage - she was far down the succession line, a relatively minor princess, royal. Anyway, what I remembered was that she was the one who requested to drop her HRH status. The King agreed to it, but gave her precedent over marchionesses and she and her family remained part of the RF. I wonder why this type of arrangement couldn’t have been used for Margaret and Townsend decades later.

THE Princess Margaret Rose . Goodbye.

The phrase cunt comes to mind. Does it not?

She starts speaking at around 00:50

I wonder why this type of arrangement couldn’t have been used for Margaret and Townsend decades later.

In the "99 Glimpses" book, the author indicates that if Margaret married Townsend, she would've been expected to give up her title - but she certainly wasn't going to live on Townsend's salary & because she'd alienated so many people, there wasn't anyone willing to work out any kind of "arrangement" on her behalf. So while on the face of it, it all seems like a tragic love story, when in fact they could've been together, but they both loved the high life and the prestige that goes with it more than each other.

Margaret could not have been forced to give up her title if she had married Townsend. She would lose her government allowance though if she had. That was the biggest problem. Other than a small Greville inheritance, Margaret had no money of her own. When her father died, he had not made any provision for Margaret as she was still young and unmarried, and King George had no idea his own clock was ticking. The bulk of the King's personal fortune went to his widow and the Queen Mother wasn't going to share with her daughter.

I hope the Queen Mother replied, “Perhaps, but you’ll never be Queen.”

King George had no idea his clock was ticking, r32? He had had a lung removed in a losing battle against cancer.

She was a selective snob and it depended on the person and the whim of the moment. She enjoyed and encouraged rich people to spend their money on her, but hated wealthy people bragging about their wealth. She considered money talk as "vulgar". I recall reading something about during the 1960s Margaret was at a party and a peer who was distantly related to Margaret was boasting how he managed to restore the family fortune all by himself. Margaret pretended to be interested asking him several times if he had indeed done it all by himself. Finally she asked him, "Are you telling me you had no advisers, no employees who assisted you?" He said of course he had to which Margaret replied in front of a group of guests, "Then you shouldn't grab the credit it for it. You didn't do it all by yourself." The article stated, "an embarrassed silence fell".

My favourite part of 99 Glimpsed was that when the Queen Mother was watching a tv program she didn’t like, Margaret would change channels without asking. And that at the end of their lifes she and the Queen Mother would compete over wheel chairs (the Queen would say Margaret, get out, that one is for Mommy).

[quote] King George had no idea his clock was ticking, [R32]? He had had a lung removed in a losing battle against cancer.

True, but he was not expecting to die so soon. Part of that is due to the Queen Mother refusing to acknowledge anything other than a happy ending. She would allow no negative ideas, and as was her way with most things, made an effort to create an atmosphere of optimism surrounding the Royal Family.

I do think Margaret was indeed the last of her breed of royal princesses. Coddled and spoiled her entire life, she was opinionated, snobbish, demanding, etc. to everyone equally. But, again just from what I’ve read, she could also be loyal and generous. I remember one story I read about how she shopped herself for Christmas presents getting what she thought the receiver either needed or liked with mixed results. She even wrapped them herself.

I’d say, at the end of the day she lived a life of disappointment. I’m sure how she lived was not how a young Margaret would have pictured things. Probably would have been better for her had she married the duke (Buccleuch?) The QM wanted her to. Not saying it would have been all roses, but it probably would have been better than how things turned out with Snowden.

Re: GVI - R37 is right, the QM always retreated from confrontation and always put on the happy face, willfully ignoring any bad news. In fact I think she had the doctors keep the fact the lung was cancerous or at least to the degree it was, from the king.

Years ago I met Townsend's daughter Isabelle. I had no idea at the time that she was his daughter. Not that I would have asked her about her father's past. If I recall correctly she was a Ralph Lauren model and lived in One Fifth Ave. I still have her phone number. She was very nice. When I met her she was dating a struggling actor who was a friend of a friend.

Margot was spoiled, indeed. So spoiled, in fact, that she completely eschewed what was expected of her - to marry well. A young, "beautiful" woman in her unique position had the pick of the very top. There were and are plenty of wealthy noble aristocratic families in Great Britain from which she had to choose. Spoiled. Yes.

Hearing her speak at R30, can’t help but think of Carol Burnett.

She was a doll....

Haha

I think if Margaret and Townsend had married, they would've eventually divorced anyway, bitterness and resentment on both sides. Margaret was so spoiled, petulant and such an impossible bitch I don't think she ever would've been happy in life.

Elizabeth would often taunt Margaret with "I'm the Jackie, you're the Lee".

I hope her cuntiness features prominently in the next season of "The Crown."

Here's the author of 99 Glimpses giving a short presentation on PM

Rupert Everett tells about his night out with THE Princess Margaret

The Queen Mother was a terrible snob herself, she probably had it coming.

Was (or is) there no one genuinely nice in the British Royal family?

R50

In a word, "No." That's not their role. To be seen as "nice" is not considered an asset if you're an aristocrat.

To R50 - if you mean within the RF, from what I’ve read/heard, of the living members, Princess Alexandra and Lady Sarah Chatto are pretty much loved by all of the RF. Runners up would be Sophie Wessex, the Duke & Duchess of Gloucester and their family.

QEII herself is close to (in addition to Princess Alexandra), the Duke of Kent and the Lady Saltoun (widow of Alexander Ramsey, son of the other Patsy Ramsey, formerly Princess Patricia of Connaught), so I’d think that would mean they’re fairly well liked by the whole RF.

I do believe the late Princess Alice, Dowager Duchess of Gloucester was perhaps after the Queen Mother, the most loved in the RF. She was known to send each member of the family hand written birthday cards with a few pounds, and also for dropping notes while they were away at school. When she died, even the likes of Charles, Anne, Viscount Linley, and Princess Michael (between strokes of her brooch) joined the other more effusive RF members with sweet anecdotes about her.

Ok, r52, so conversely, who are the worst, within the RF?

She didn’t say it to Queen a Elizabeth the Queen Mother. She said it to Queen Mary, her grandmother. And it wasn’t about royal blood. She said that she was born a Royal Highness but Queen Mary was only born a Serene Highness.

You rang?

Queen Mom and Margie were both unlovable cunts. Elitist, racist, strongly anti Semitic. And Queen Mum also had some of the most disgusting teeth I’ve ever seen on a Royal other than Queen Margrethe of Denmark.

Ageing spoilt brat Margaret did get put in her place by Brit drag legend Danny La Rue. He told her she was hitting the booze too hard, she slapped his face and he socked her right back. It takes a queen to take on a princess. Go to 17.10 at the linked doc for the anecdote, it's a pretty interesting look at La Rue, who pioneered drag as family entertainment, eat your heart out Rupaul.

I always loved Danny La Rue R57, now I love him even more.

What a great video R57, thanks for posting it.

In Noel Coward's diaries he wrote about being shocked when it was announced that Tony Armstrong-Jones was marrying Princess Margaret (or any woman) because Tony was at that time involved with a man and assumed to be homosexual. He implied that Tony was desperate for mum's approval and to one up mum who was married to an aristo at that time. Mum was a huge snob.

Margo walked out of a screening of Schindler's List, after proclaiming "Tiresome Jews".

The Princess Margaret is no different than any Queen here with lots of money. Total cunts.

Who is Margo r61?

Margaret, called Margo by the family. Do keep up, dear.

The '99 Glimpses' book is riveting, a compendium of Margot's awfulness in short chapters, capably placed in historical context.

Once or twice I was moved by her kindness - otherwise she just seemed a burnished nightmare, relished only by those whose sense of camp was blended with sheer wit and steel - such as Gore Vidal.

As to who stood up to her: at a grand party thrown by Sue Mengers, Jerry Brown was on her left. He politely introduced himself, said he was pleased to meet her, but that he could only stay for the first course. His tone made clear that deference was not on his agenda. She turned her back on him instantly, and that was that.

Dataloungers will love the account of Elizabeth Taylor invited to dine with Margot, after the actress appeared in 'The Little Foxes' in The West End. Won't spoil it. '99 Glimpses' is a great holiday book, recommended.

THE Princess Margaret once attended a show performance given by DL's beloved Liza Minnelli. After the show, Liza walked up to THE Princess Margaret and asked excitedly "How'd you like my show?" THE Princess Margaret turned to her lady in waiting and said "The NERVE of her" and walked away.

The Queen mother should have replied, but I had royal semen flow through me that created a monarch, something you will never have or do.

Should anyone care for a listen

Based on above.. HRH Margo was not a cunt but a bore.

Where did you silly Americans get the idea that her family called her Margo/Margot? Ridiculous idiots.

Dems will flip the house but not by much. Senate stays much the same. Blue wave = Blue ripple. What lib social media fails to "get" is that old white haters vote. The rest not so much.

[quote]Princess Margaret was still in bed and refused to evacuate. The Queen Mum smiled sweetly and replied "Well she'll just have to burn."'

Okay, if that is even close to true, the late Queen Mum is my new favorite Royal.

"Well, she'll just have to burn" may become my new go-to putdown.

r70 the Queen herself called her sister Margo in that semi-recent documentary where she and Charles watched old home movies.

R70 Because she would not answer to flipping cow.

The Queen Mum was my favorite above Queen Mary.She drank,gambled and downplayed her power in the firm.Princess Margaret was probably her favorite. ..an that allowed Princess Margaret to act a fool whenever she felt like it.Hence that crazy statement.I have often wondered if Margaret had the fortitude to be Queen.She lacked self control and seemed to like a drink,just like her mum.Its unfortunate Princess Margaret let the Duke of Windsor put that "Cookie"story in her head.An Queen Elizabeth II should have slapped the taste out of Margaret's probably drunken mouth for even repeating it.....

[quote]Where did you silly Americans get the idea that her family called her Margo/Margot? Ridiculous idiots.

It's in the well-sourced and reference-cited 'Ma'am Darling - 99 Glimpses of Princess Margaret' book. Only a very select few were permitted to call her 'Margot' - maybe just the top four or five. Diana won this honour for a short while, an honour soon enough withdrawn. Thus it's fun to call the silly old trout by her very special name now, rather than THE Princess Margaret.

Princess Margaret was what many gay men only WISH they could be.

She answered to Margo or cunt from those closest to her.

Love Tracey’s take on Margo....

How much of 'Ma'am Darling' satire and how much is true?

This is a very interesting documentary. It's about Princess Margaret's "personal association" with a London gangster who eventually got a visit from the men in black. They told him to keep his trap shut about Margaret or else. Good information here.

[quote] Was (or is) there no one genuinely nice in the British Royal family?

The queen herself was supposed to be nice once, but all those years of grandeur and stuffiness got to her--she became very frosty in old age, though supposedly she lets her hair down a bit with her grandchildren and great-grandchildren.

What amazes me is how many people for so long put up with Margaret being so awful to them. It was one thing in the forties and fifties when she was the daughter of a king everyone remembered and close in line to the throne; but by the Seventies, she was Pretty far down the line of succession, so who cared whether she was insulted by your breaking of protocol? I'm nt surprised more people didn't slap her, because she had agents guarding her to protect her; but I'm surprised especially more Americans like Jerry Brown didn't just break protocol when she abused it or told her off. After all, what could she do to you? She couldn't put you in jail for those things, and if your host or hostess was furious at you for insulting her, you could be furious at them back for letting her insult you.

There's a famous anecdote, probably apocryphal, that in the late 40s or 50s she was at a party in Los Angeles to which Judy Garland was also invited, and she asked the host go up to Judy to say, "Her Royal Highness would like to hear you sing." Supposedly Judy thought it was rude to treat her like a performing monkey when she didn't even know Princess Margaret, and she retorted to the host, "Please tell her I'll be happy to sing for her if she'll christen a battleship for me!" And that was that. I'm surprised more Americans didn't respond like that when Princess Margaret was rude to them.

[quote] Where did you silly Americans get the idea that her family called her Margo/Margot? Ridiculous idiots.

Just because we're discussing a famously monstrous cunt does not mean we find your own cheap little two-bit cunt act charming. The nickname is, as someone posted above, well sourced in multiple biographies of the royal family.

Now, go out and trot out your cheap little act on a bartender at whatever loathsome pub you frequent, and see if it works on him any better than it did on us.

I agree r82. From everything I've read about Princess Margaret, I don't know how anyone could stand her for more than five minutes. Different times, I guess. I don't think that sort of behavior would go over well today.

Didn't queen mum lock up a crazy relative in the attic for decades - while she was the royal patron of psychiatrists or some such?

R85, I think the story was the Queen Mother had two mentally handicapped relatives (cousins?) who were institutionalized for decades & the Windsors had zero contact with them, not even so much as a greeting card.

The Queen Mother's nieces, Nerissa Bowes-Lyon and Katherine Bowes-Lyon were placed in Earlswood Hospital for the developmentally disabled in 1941, and "forgotten." Their mother, the former Fenella Hepburn-Stuart-Forbes-Trefusis had them listed in Burke's Peerage as "deceased" since 1963. Their father, John Bowes-Lyon, the Queen Mother's brother, had once had a nervous breakdown and suffered from neurasthenia. Curiously, Fenella's sister, Harriet, was also shipped off to Earlswood, as did three of Harriet's seven children, Idonea, Rosemary, and Ethelreda Fane.

Afflictions such as mental illness and deformities seem to be the curse of Glamis Castle, the ancestral seat of the Bowes-Lyon family.

[quote] Fenella Hepburn-Stuart-Forbes-Trefusis

You shitting me?

I'm English and you sound like a cunt, R70.

R89 It was noted in the thread on cuntery that cunt in England is a friendlier term. Like, buddy or sweetie.

[quote]She was fabulous. I hate these "down to earth " Royals. I want my Royal family to be snooty cunts like in the good old days

What exactly is fabulous about someone being an asshole? Because you yourself are so damaged as a person you respect that type of trashy behavior? There's nothing remotely normal about respecting assholes whose entire accomplishment was their dad busting a nut into their mom.

I am sure when Margaret said that, the queen mother looked very sorrowfully at her and realized this birth status was all Margaret had to hang onto in life, and that she would never, ever amount to anything (which is exactly what happened). Other than the fact that somehow (against all likelihood) she produced a very nice daughter, she was a complete waste of DNA.

R87 Sounds like the Queen Mum's sister in law had brought faulty genes into the family which was a big no no in those days as defective children affected the marriage prospects of everyone else related to them. It sounds harsh but that was what everyone did with their simple relatives then, nowadays they'd be on the streets fending for themselves.

[quote] Afflictions such as mental illness and deformities seem to be the curse of Glamis Castle, the ancestral seat of the Bowes-Lyon family.

The curse of Macbeth, Thane of Glamis?

[quote]What exactly is fabulous about someone being an asshole?

Someone took a wrong turn on the internet.

Princess Margaret was an uber bitch, before it was a thing.

She had a long list of extra-marital affairs, which she barely covered up. She consorted with rock stars like Mick Jagger. She smoked heavily since she was 15, in public, and when called on it, was like "So what?"

Of course she died of a stroke (not her first) but she was described by many as earthy and charming, when she wanted to be and uppity and bitchy when she felt like it.

Of course the Queen Mum died seven weeks after her and had the last laugh. Not only did she outlive Margaret, but her funeral took any long lasting attention from Margaret.

Gore Vidal said "She was far too intelligent for her station in life." and wrote that she told him, "It was inevitable, when there are two sisters and one is the Queen, who must be the source of honour and all that is good, while the other must be the focus of the most creative malice, the evil sister."

By all accounts, Princess Margaret like Elizabeth very much and was always supportive of her.

[quote]How much of 'Ma'am Darling' satire and how much is true?

Couple of chapters indulge 'What If?' scenarios; but otherwise the entire book is composed around contemporary accounts and personal encounters shared with the author. (The chapter dealing with the gangster had me shaking with laughter. DL sizemeat aficionados are in for a treat.)

Margot was entitled spoiled and bored, so required constant diversion. Who better to provide this than upper bohemia: witty, louche, cosmopolitan etcetera. Since many were well-connected intelligentsia, diaries and letters regularly recorded Margot's awfulness.

As to why people put up with her, she was certainly seen as a social trophy to bag, not least because of her known awfulness: a good/terrible story was sure to emerge, and add to the bruised host's own social acclaim. She was a bitch, but a Royal bitch, and therefore a sacred monster who exerted fascination. It's all quite decadent and pathetic, but there it is.

Cunt wait to read 99 Glimpses!

Well, lads, I've just been reading this thread, and you've been making me cackle all morning. Thanks.

Exactly, r97, a social trophy sounds like the exact word. R82, forget about her lineage and lack of political power and think of her as an über celebrity. Several celebrities today enjoy similar ststus and there are several people who, for no discernible rational reason, put up with them...

[quote]Couple of chapters indulge 'What If?' scenarios; but otherwise the entire book is composed around contemporary accounts and personal encounters shared with the author. (The chapter dealing with the gangster had me shaking with laughter. DL sizemeat aficionados are in for a treat.)

Craig Brown is our greatest and best known satirist who often writes in the parodied voices of celebrities, so I'm assuming some of the anecdotes and quotes, etc; especially the funnier ones, are made up by him.

Actually the 'what if' scenarios are the weaker part of the book, r101, they seemed forced and are not funny at all. Otherwise I agree he is a very funny writer, I loved his 101 Encounters book. How much he made up about THE princess margaret I have no idea...

Lots of Royals have been smokers, but Princess Margaret was the only one who smoked openly in public. Everybody else in the Royal Family kept their smoking behind closed doors. Margaret was possibly the last person on Earth who used a cigarette holder.

"Uppity" means you behave above your station (which is why it's such an offensive term for African-Americans--it implies they belong below other people), so you really can't call Margaret "uppity"--no one was above her during her lifetime except her paternal grandparents, parents, and sister. You could call her "posh," though, and certainly "snobbish."

She apparently had a very complex relationship with her sister. They were close friends but would spat, and Elizabeth had to be very supportive and understanding, which she was usually willing to be. From what I've read, I think "The Crown" actually captures their actual dynamic really well.

Princess Margaret was a rather striking-looking young woman, but the booze and cigs really did a number on her. She got puffy and haggy-looking pretty quickly.

My biggest surprise about her was that she was practically a midget.

The Queen Mother was 5'1" (1.57 m).

Margaret was 5' (1.55 m)

Queen Elizabeth is 5'3" (1.63)

Bitch tried talkin' that shit to me one day, so I made her get on all fours in front of my throne and used her back as a foot stool while I gingerly sipped my spiked tea and paged through the newest Christie's antique catalog. Don't try to play a Playa, strumpet!

So is she the reason why the name Margaret has gone completely out of favor?

It hasn't gone completely out of favor--I have two different friends who have small children named "Margaret" (one of whom goes by "Meg," the other of whom goes by "Maggie").

[quote]I'm assuming some of the anecdotes and quotes, etc; especially the funnier ones, are made up by him.

I really don't think so. As I said, '99 Glimpses' has a full bibliography whence the quotes and observations came; and if Brown's sources were from personal interviews - such as with Selina Hastings, or Robert Harris - he cites and thanks them.

One of the many reasons why Margot fascinates is that all the stories about her don't need to made up. It's all Royal comedy gold without the need for embellishment.

[quote]Actually the 'what if' scenarios are the weaker part of the book

I agree, but Craig Brown in his person as great parodist had earned the right to insert a couple of whimsies. For example the little fantasy that Jeremy Thorpe had successfully fulfilled his ludicrous fantasy of marrying The Princess. Yes, that Jeremy Thorpe.

Again, this shows how life at that level in England couldn't really be matched by inventive satirists. The real stuff is unimaginably bizarre.

[quote] Princess M was a complete fucking nothing. She had the phony Germanic ancestry that was not British.

What does that even mean?

The Hanovers' and Saxe-Coburg's Germanic ancestry is not "phony" at all--it goes back centuries and is very royal (with the Hanovers) and princely with the Saxe-Coburgs. The only thing "phony" about it is that during WWII George V changed the Saxe-Coburg name to "Windsor."

Moreover, a full half of Margaret's ancestry is from the Bowes-Lyons side, and that is aristocratic British, and wholly so.

Plus she was at birth a royal princess of the British royal family, which makes her AUTOMATICALLY as British as British can be.

Many of you are really confused about understanding how bloodlines work and how royalty impinges upon them.

A big hint: it doesn't operate the same way it does for poodles.

The first George, a German who came from Germany to reign in England was descended from the Stuart line as is the present Queen. It all goes back to some late 15th and early 16th century shit. Henry Tudor is Elizabeth II's 17th great grandfather. His son, Henry VIII, is the present Queen's 16th great uncle. It was his sister, Margaret, who is QEII's 16th great grandmother. She marred James number four of Scotland, and it all came together a few generations later when James Six of Scotland/First of England assumed both thrones after the first Elizabeth died. Though the Germans sat on the English throne, they still had a rightful claim to it as descendants of all the above mentioned. Interesting shit, eh?

R97 = Barbara Thorndyke

There is, of course, the story of Princess Margaret's remark on her visit to Chicago in 1979.

The then mayor was Jane Byrne (Jane Margaret Burke Byrne McMullen).

At a dinner for Princess Margaret, Mayor Byrne expressed her condolences for the death of Lord Louis Mountbatten.

Princess Margaret replied, "Well, the Irish are all pigs." (There are variations of the quote.)

Realizing she was seated next to the very, very Irish American mayor, Margaret tried to recoup by saying, "Oh, but you're Irish, aren't you?"

Reported in columnist Irv Kupcinet's column, and uproar followed.

It was suspected, that the quote may have made its way to Kup by way of the mayor's husband, reporter Jay McMullen.

The quote was denied, of course, but it certainly made waves.

And the papers.

Here's a clip from a paper in Eugene, Oregon.

r115, that sounds like the famous comment her good friend Gore Vidal supposedly made decades later to Dominick Dunne at a dinner party near the end of their lives: "Why do you suppose that Irish Catholics are all social climbers? Is it because their mothers were all chambermaids?... Oh, of course I don't mean you." Though I would guess Margaret's remark was just her holding forth and being thoughtless (as always), and Vidal's was meant to wound. But there is a reason the two of them (Margaret and Vidal) were such good friends.

Cunt

Margaret's life wasn't a happy one. I think she was disgruntled with her sister being fawned over, and likewise when she couldn't marry who she wanted, so she chose to live a hedonistic lifestyle and be a cunt, because she wasn't happy, and merely because she could. I've heard stories of long term depression, suicide attempts, even that she she contracted HIV from one of her lovers who was known to have it.

No one calls the current queen of England, 'Queen Elizabeth', except ill- informed Americans. Certainly, no one calls her just 'Elizabeth'. She is 'The Queen' when in the Commonwealth, and Queen Elizabeth II when she's not. Queen Elizabeth was her mother (Elizabeth Bowes -Lyon) and Queen Elizabeth, The Queen Mother or just The Queen Mother, once her husband had died.

The wife of a king has merely Queen added to her name, she's a queen consort. If you talk about 'Queen Elizabeth' in Britain, people assume you're talking about The Queen Mother, not the current queen.

You queens need to know your queens

The [italic]Southern Belle Primer[/italic] was subtitled [italic]Why Princess Margaret Will Never Be a Kappa Kappa Gamma[/italic]. Her transgression was smoking while walking.

I hope the 'Will one of you old queens get this old queen some gin?' quote is not apocryphal.

The other tidbits non-Margaret related in the newspaper clipping at r115 are interesting. Estee Lauder tied up and robbed? I found a rabbit hole to explore.

Princess Margaret, Estee Lauder, Rosa Parks, Betty Ford, Roberta Flack and...Catherine Bach? There's an interesting party mix for you.

It has recently come to light through the new release of old letters, that Princess Margaret herself chose not to marry Townsend. At 25 she could marry whom she pleased without damage to her prospects, titles, etc. The pressure that was applied to her was to wait that long, and of course TPTB arranged for Townsend to be posted far away for 18 months in the hope that out of sight would be out of mind.

Well, it appears it was. He returned when she was on the verge of turning 25. She met with him a couple of times, then she wrote to the Prime Minister saying she did not feel she could marry him. She was young, feckless and had just moved on. Imagine him accompanying her to all those swinging 60s parties she loved so much (or treating her like a STAH) and you can see it clearly. He was her father's much respected equerry and he probably reminded her, at 18 or whatever she was when she met him, of her beloved father. But as she got older her father was no longer her model partner.

However, it doubtless suited her to keep it seen as the great tragic love story that justified any way she might act out later. He, meanwhile, was probably really in love, since the woman he later married resembled Margaret.

OP, you left out the Queen Mother's response:

"Frankly Margot, had one wanted to hear from a cunt, one would have queefed."