Can we do a thread about gay actors from Classic Hollywood? - Part 2

Link to the old thread.

Any John Gielgud stories? He was busted for cottaging, so I'm sure he had some fun times!

How about Gavin Gordon?

What about Errol Flynn? Any truth to the rumors of bisexuality, or was that bunkum invented by a biographer who wanted to sell scandal?

Because yeah, I can see Flynn fucking anything with a hole in it.

Well, he CLEARLY liked women.....but I wouldn't be shocked if he dabbled in the homosex, many actors do.

From the A-list, a site which had pretty credible gossip

[quote] Flynn, Errol. "The most despicable human being yet born." "My son had not only been a bad little boy, he had been a nasty little boy." Jerk and Nazi sympathizer--also a spy for the Axis, if rumors are to be believed. A closeted FOD. Anti-Semite. Linked with Truman Capote, Olivia de Havilland, Doris Duke, Howard Hughes, Barbara Hutton, Hedy Lamarr, David Niven, Eva Peron, Tyrone Power, Lana Turner, Gloria Vanderbilt, Lupe Velez, and Shelley Winters

FOD stands for friend of Dorothy, for legal reasons they used such terms.

This is DL. Everybody knows what an FOD is. Or used to.

Friend of Dorothy? We were just acquaintances. Never friends.

It used to be said in Hollywood that Errol Flynn would screw anything with a pulse - and sometimes even *that* wasn't a requirement.

Dorothy who? I don't know what that reference means :(

R6, "The A-List" was a compendium of bullshit largely compiled from blind item guesses.

That doesn't mean that Flynn wasn't an awful human being, and yeah, I bet he'd fuck anything with a pulse and didn't always care about the pulse.

Sir John Gielgud wrote gay pron!

Tyrone Power's longtime bf J. Watson Webb allegedly kept all of Ty' s personal papers, including love letters between the two, and had them sealed in a bank vault by his estate after he died in 2000.

Did George Maharis ever officially come out of the closet? I know he was busted for cruising an LA park back in the '70s I think

More info on Gene Raymond. I'm not convinced he was 100% straight

r15, it sounds like all that "gossip" comes from the "MacEddy" fantards, who want to believe that Raymond's marriage was a sham

How about Richard Cromwell, who was Angela Lansbury's first husband (!) and was also a regular at George Cukor's parties

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Cromwell and Lansbury were both very young when they married and divorced after a year. But they remained close friends until he died.

Maharis was busted twice for tearoom sex. The first time was pretty well covered up when he was at the height of his Route 66 success but the second time was reported in the press and put a damper on his career, though not killing it. Click pick to read a press report.

Would loved to have gotten it on with George Maharis when he was younger

Any more info on George Nader?

In the old days of Hollywood, from the early silents to the 1940s, the majority of the studios had intermediaries between the police and the press so any arrests and other public occurrences wouldn't be made public. Some of it was done by bribes, sometimes threats. Studios would also send out their own security to haul in stars if they heard anything about a possible incident. Once the stars were less under the studios' control, reports began to appear in the press.

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No wonder that info looked familiar, it read like bad fan fiction.

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The rumors about Flynn being a Nazi spy have already been debunked. There's a book on it called Errol Flynn: The Spy Who Never Was

I wonder if the Strickling guy got the files back yet.....

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(R16) You're right about the fantards!!! Pathetic to put it mildly. Desperate and obviously lacking in any core of reality. My mother knew Eddy when she attended Julliard through a teacher at the school. When I was 8 or 9 and saw a MacDonald-Eddy film on television and asked her, "Did they like each other?" Her response was "Nelson Eddy preferred male company."

I read somewhere that Clark Gable and Charles Laughton did not get along at all on the set of Mutiny on the Bounty because Gable called him a fag because Laughton told Franchot Tone (then hubby of Gable' s on again-off again love Joan C) about Gable' s casting couch past

^ Juicy!!!

Lon McCallister - he was part of George Cukor's circle

Back in the 70’s, When I was a closeted man married to a woman, I met a man at the Club Baths in New York. Somehow the subject of Rod Taylor came up. Seems my friend had met him at a cocktail party in Hollywood back in the early 60’s, and they ended up being fuck uddies for about a year.

Hot man. Said he was a Long Island State Patrolman. Gave me his number. But I never called . I was closeted.

Ken Noack, I hope you had a good life.

*buddies

Good thread. Keep it up.

The movie Jack the Giant Killer ('62) is on YouTube and at 25:20 in you get a good glimpse of Kerwin Mathews' s amazing legs in some green tights and white slippers

In William J. Mann's bio on William Haines it says that Jack Benny was gay, but I can't find any info to support this allegation and most info out there on him says he wasn't gay. Maybe it's another Scotty Bowers rumor...

r34, thanks for mentioning Kerwin Mathews! He was a gorgeous man. He did a movie called The Pirates of Blood River with gay actor Peter Arne, who was murdered in 1983

Johnnie Ray began his career performing in blackface at gay clubs in Seattle and Detroit. When he finally got his first big night club gig, at Detroit's famed Flame Show Bar, the managers told him to drop the blackface and he was a hit

R35, there has been a lot of talk about Jack Benny's homosexuality for decades.

Putting William Mann on the level of Scotty Bowers...no. That just is not right.

Jack Benny had very femme mannerisms, so of course there had to be rumors, but not many as he's been largely forgotten.

And there haven't been any rumors of a boyfriend or picking up sailors or being the pig bottom of LA, nothing really. But then he had absolutely no sexual aura, so maybe he just did go home to his wife or beard.

R38 You are aware that William Mann vouches for Scotty Bowers and used him as a source for several of his books, right?

I got Scotty Bowers confused with Darwin Porter.

Rod Taylor? I can’t believe it. His second wife was Asian...so...

What about any of the actors who portrayed Tarzan over the years?

This past week I saw the Visconti film Senso at the Film Forum and was by how pretty and sort of feminine Farley Granger came across (and I don't mean that as an insult).

I've seen him in a few other films, but I never considered him sexy until this movie.

Who could blame Jean Marais for having a brief affair with him (when Granger had a break in filming & went to Paris) around the time the film was being made.

Speaking of Lon McCallister R30, his lover was William Eythe, an easy-on-the-eyes 20th Century Fox contract player in the Tyrone Power mold. He died in 1957 at the age of 38, due to chronic alcoholism. McCallister survived him and lived into his 90s, and was an esteemed eldergay in his later years.

[quote] What about any of the actors who portrayed Tarzan over the years?

Seems most of them were hetero, especially Johnny Weissmuller who had affairs with a few actresses and chased after the others. Very protective of Maureen O'Sullivan who, after crying on set of one the Tarzan movies about a studio executive harassing her, Johnny later marched to the exec's office, grabbed the guy and threatened him.

William Eythe was handsome

I'm surprised Jean Cocteau let Marais stray.

Wasn't Johnny Weissmuller involved with (married to?) noted size queen Lupe Velez, the Mexican Spitfire?

He certainly was, r48, but apparently he liked to put on shows for both gays and straights.

Any more info on Douglas MacPhail (who was in Sweethearts, Babes in Arms and Little Nellie Kelly among other films)? He tragically killed himself at age 30 probably due to untreated PTSD from being in the Army. I've heard rumors that he was in the closet but there isn't a whole lot of info on him. His wife and frequent co-star Betty Jaynes is still alive I believe.

Maybe Strickling files guy has more info on him?

Douglas McPhail and Betty Jaynes were supposed to be "the next Nelson Eddy and Jeanette MacDonald" - that didn't happen

[quote]Seems most of them were hetero,

Shit. Including Mike Henry, the hottest, most fap-worthy of them all?

McPhail had an ill-fated fling with Nelson Eddy. It did not end well. In fact it turned rather violent with McPhail hitting Eddy in the face. McPhail was obsessed with becoming Eddy and the obsession helped trigger the end of his marriage to Jaynes. While the duo played the understudies of MacDonald and Eddy in the hit 1938 film, "Sweethearts", the operetta-style of singing was already becoming dated in film. Although the duo were well-received in 1939's "Babes in Arms", McPhail's role in the 1940 film, "Broadway Melody of 1940" was very limited although his rendition of Cole Porter's "I Concentrate on You" was exemplary. Porter also blew McPhail and Porter boasted about the size of McPhail's "instrument" which alarmed the MGM front office. Both he and Jaynes had very good voices but lacked the extra star quality needed to push them into the front ranks.

Mickey Rooney was the most hetero of stars at MGM. His dream was to have sex with every female on the lot, whether a star or a supporting player or extra. However, during the filming of "Babes in Arms" in June of 1939, he briefly upset the top brass at the studio. Rooney always loved to brag about how big his cock was and had no shame talking about it. Douglas McPhail who was in the film with Rooney informed Rooney that his was larger. In Rooney's dressing room they compared erect penises and were caught. Both were hauled in front of Louis B. Mayer and according to a memo about the meeting, both reassured Mayer that he had nothing to worry about. It was merely a case of two guys trying to wager as to who had the most. Mayer had been very concerned because of the money the studio had already invested in Rooney's career and the plans they had for him. By the end of 1939, he would be the top box-office attraction on the lot. Mayer was satisfied with the explanation, at least as far as Rooney was concerned. He continued to have concerns about McPhail and from that point on, the studio invested little in McPhail's future as a star at MGM. By the way, McPhail's was larger!

But R54, none of the people you mentioned are gay. Why bring them up here?

Douglas and the missus.

(R55) For all intents and purposes, Douglas McPhail was more gay than straight.

I'm sure that he's been already mentioned, but TCM showed the 1936 version of The Last of the Mohicans" this morning with Randolph Scott and Henry Wilcoxon. Both were beautiful men, and Scott supposedly shared more than a house with Cary Grant.

RE: Henry Wilcoxon, when I was a gayling, I knew a middle-aged gay actor in New York in the 1970s. He told me that when he was trying to break into show business in LA in the mid-50s, he met Henry Wilcoxon and became his protégé. My friend maintained that their relationship was non-sexual, but I always wondered if Wilcoxon's attention was more than just paternal.

I heard/read somewhere that Wilcoxon used to pick up male hitchhikers and have sex with them

Strickling files guy - any more info on a certain Miss Garland?

Any info on ballet dancer George Zoritch? Was he gay? I thought I read somewhere that he was George Balanchine' s houseboy

I saw Zoritch live. (I was a *little* boy.) He was touring with either The Ballet Russe or The Ballet Ruse of Monte Carlo, I forget which. My parents wanted to expose me "culture."

^ Er, Ballet Russe de Monte Carlo. And I just read Zorick's Wikipedia entry. In 1957, at age 40, he rejoined that company. I saw him in 1958.

^ Zoritch , not Zorick. Duh.

[quote]Wasn't Johnny Weissmuller involved with (married to?) noted size queen Lupe Velez, the Mexican Spitfire? —Anonymous R48

[quote]He certainly was, [R48], but apparently he liked to put on shows for both gays and straights. —Anonymous R49

Weissmuller put on shows for gays in the studio system or civilians? And Lupe definitely was a size queen, besides Weissmuller, also being involved with Tom Mix, Charlie Chaplin, Clark Gable, Gary Cooper, John Gilbert, Errol Flynn as well as boxers Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey.

Any gay gossip on any of the old Hollywood cowboys - Wayne, Cooper, etc? At least one of them had to be gay/bi or at least dallied.

Wayne was rumored to have slept with John Ford, first in a casting couch situation and later as friends. Maureen O'Hara wrote in her autobiography of walking in on a famous male star and a famous male director going at it. It's long been assumed she was writing about Wayne and Ford as she worked on so many films with them but she never revealed who it was.

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I thought she was referring to Tyrone Power who worked with Ford and O'Hara on The Long Gray Line ('55)

Any more info on Robert Taylor? Was he really in a beard-merkin arrangement with Stanwyck?

Certainly possible, r69. Who knows?

But the rumors about Ford and Wayne have been around for decades.

Yes, there had been rumors about Wayne and John Ford for a long time. It was also whispered that young Marion Morrison was no stranger to the casting couch and posed for muscle/physique photos as well before making it big. If you look at photos of a young Wayne, he was VERY attractive.

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Any info on John Dall (from Rope, The Corn Is Green, and Gun Crazy)?

[quote]Yes, there had been rumors about Wayne and John Ford for a long time. It was also whispered that young Marion Morrison was no stranger to the casting couch and posed for muscle/physique photos as well before making it big. If you look at photos of a young Wayne, he was VERY attractive.

Same with Gary Cooper.

R74 I kind of remember a story from a Bette Davis bio...during the filming of Corn is Green, Bette became very exasperated/impatient with Dall. They were doing a very emotional scene and Dall, naturally, gave a very emotional performance. A very gay emotional performance- lots of swirling arms, swishing hands etc. He was queening out, basically. The scene looked silly, Bette told him to control himself, to literally act straight.

something like that

Who was the gay cowboy who I saw mentioned somewhere on DL - Tom Mix?

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William S. Hart

Not an actor , but an entertainer. Was Liberace Gay ?

R79, for real?

r79 Not an actor? NOT AN ACTOR?

Were Danny Lockin and Sal Mineo,'s murders related? The fact that they occurred not too far from each other in CA is kinda suspicious

Very disappointed to see The Aviator and seeing Jude Law play Erroll Flynn -- I was positively convinced and in fact drooling that the gay writer John Logan would at the very least ALLUDE OR SHOW some of the real relationship between he and Howard Hughes: meaning gay sex with Leo and Jude.

Boom.

No, Lockin was killed by a trick, Mineo was killed in a random robbery

More goss please!

R80 , true story.

Any stories about George Chakiris?

I think West Side Story has the record for most gay personnel of a BWay show: Sondheim, Leonard Bernstein, Jerome Robbins, Arthur Laurents, Larry Kert....

^ Speaking of Larry Kert, any gossip on him, too?

He was cute when he was young

Any Tony Randall stories?

Didn't Brando claim to have fucked Paul Newman? I thought McQueen had made the same statement. Anyone else Newman was connected to? I have heard he got around but not many specific names.

r90 must be Darwin Porter.

Im not sure I would classify this as classic hollywood as I think he came along in the mid to late 40s, but I am currently fascinated by the personal life of actor Craig Stevens. He wasnt a major star but I really liked the tv show Peter Gunn in which he was the star. This is not a western, altho it sounds like one. It s a private eye early 60 s series that lasted 2 years. It was directed by Blake Edwards which is interesting in and of itself.

When Stevens was starting out he had as an agent Henry Willson so he was one of the pretty boys. Henry advised him to marry actress Alexis Smith. SHe was apparently a well known lesbian. They both needed beards. They were married for 50 years and had no kids. Never a breath of scandal. If it was fake it was the best fake marriage in hollywood history. Anyway Stevens plays Peter Gunn, kind of a suave cary grant character. It takes place frequently at a jazz club and his girfriend is a jazz singer. The music was produced by Henry Mancini. The actress/singer playing the part just died, Lola Albright. Anyway his private life I find highly interesting and I wonder how much he and Alexis dabbled same sex during those 50 years?

Does anyone know anything about Bruce Cowling? Saw him in Cause For Alarm, and thought he was really handsome and a decent actor. I can't find any references to any marriages or anything like that but there's very little info on him

George Chakiris , I believe, was A chorus boy in Judy’s first Las Vegas act back in 1956. He had previously been a chorus boy at Paramount and other studios in the early 50s. By the time he won his role in West Side Story, he was a well practiced homosexual.

Chakiris was a chorus boy in White Christmas - he was in one of Rosie Clooney's numbers

Chakiris was also a dancer in Marilyn's "Diamonds are a Girl's Best Friend" number from "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes."

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He was also a dancer in Jayne Mansfield' s Vegas show around the same time. There's home movie footage of him in a sailor suit dancing with Jayne . It's on YouTube

Chakiris was gorgeous when he was young

[quote]Maureen O'Hara wrote in her autobiography of walking in on a famous male star and a famous male director going at it. It's long been assumed she was writing about Wayne and Ford as she worked on so many films with them but she never revealed who it was.

R68 I remember reading that, and like R69, I assumed she was referring to Ty Power, partly because throughout her book she gushes about Wayne like he's the embodiment of straight, macho masculinity, loyal to his wife and belonging to a rarefied class of leading men who could believably dominate her strong female characters. If he were gay and messing around, he had her fooled. However, she did imply that Ford closeted and obsessed with "Duke," and was so jealous of her friendship with him that he made her life a living hell during the filming of "The Quiet Man."

I liked Chakiris best in Les Demoiselles de Rochefort.

I thought the guy O'Hara was talking about was someone other than Power - she doesn't have a problem outing dead guys, I thought if it was Power she would have just said so. I assumed it was someone still alive at the time of the book's release, hence the secrecy

Didn't O'Hara write about filming "Kangaroo " in Australia, when costars Peter Lawford and Richard Boone were arrested at a male brothel? Someone wrote about that, anyway.

R50, Betty Jaynes is 97! 50 years older than Miss Judy was when she died.

[quote]I assumed it was someone still alive at the time of the book's release, hence the secrecy

R101 Ah, good point. She took that secret to the grave, along with what Ford asked her to whisper to Wayne in that last scene of "The Quiet Man."

Which dead guys did Maureen O’Hara out?

John Ford

Gotta love DL for having a thread on "Stars Who've Outed Other Stars." And voila, a discussion about this very question...

[quote]Didn't Maureen O'Hara out John Ford in some book?

[quote]Maureen O'Hara outed John Ford her bio. Did she mention who she caught him with?

[quote]Re: Director, John Ford's outing, Maureen O'Hara, in her autobiography writes that she say him kissing another man when she walked into his room to show him something concerning her wardrobe. "The gentleman Ford was with was one of the most famous leading men in the picture business". Earlier, she had come to confer with him, and Ford was drawing pictures of penises. All sizes and shapes. She didn't react as he probably expected; i.e. shocked. But, the confusing part about the kiss: The actor Ford kissed, approached her later, and asked, "Why didn't you tell me John Ford was homosexual?"

[quote]I've forgotten some of that Maureen O'Hara thing, but she definitely outed Ford. The confusion came because she was at Columbia looking at costume sketches for The Long Gray Line. However, Power was not there, and Ford was working on another film so it could have been anyone who was at Columbia studios at the time.

[quote]Re: Maureen O'Hara's bio: "The gentleman Ford was with was one of the most famous leading men in the picture business". It wouldn't be a studio worker. It wouldn't be Robert Wagner. Robert Wagner gave an interview, where he said John Ford led him on, regarding a part Wagner wanted. He built up RW's hopes, then told him he had already given the part to Jeffrey Hunter. Maureen O'Hara was talking about "The Long Gray Line", (1955). This movie starred Tyrone Power.

[quote] she doesn't have a problem outing dead guys

oh my, always that meme; not that having gay sex means someone is gay, but still

Van Johnson? I think he was making The Caine Mutiny at Columbia around the same time as The Long Gray Line

Funny about Nelson Eddy and Douglas McPhail, as they each starred in iconic MGM musical numbers, Eddy singing "Stouthearted Men" in New Moon and a couple of years later McPhail singing "Babes in Arms" in Babes in Arms, that are virtually the same staging.

Sorry, if I was cleverer, I'd post links.

Another bit of trivia:

Mary Tyler Moore played Craig (Peter Gunn) Stevens' receptionist but the gimmick was that you only ever saw her crossed legs, sitting at the phones. I don't think she was even credited.

I think MTM played that role (uncredited) on an earlier show called "Richard Diamond, Private Eye" starring David Janssen.

Oops. You're absolutely right, r112.

She had a name on that show, but for the life of me I can't remember it. Max?

MTM's character was named Sam.

Excellent. Thanks, r115.

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Any gossip on Nils Asther?

What about Zachary "Monte Beragon" Scott? He was married but pinged

Laurence Olivier and Danny Kaye - who was the top?

Neither.

Strickling guy - did you get the files back yet?

[quote]Laurence Olivier and Danny Kaye - who was the top?

Sylvia Fine.

Rod Taylor, gay or bi? I can't stop laughing. Straight as an arrow and a womanizer to boot. Jeez how you desperate , queens make stuff up.

On the other hand, Alexis Smith was a lesbian, and her hundreds of years marriage to one Craig Nelson (Peter Gunn) was lavender. Thanks, R92 for bringing it up.

He was a Hot Rod, but oh that Aussie sun!

R124, when did anyone say he was gay? Did I miss something? You sound like a straight woman with the "desperate queens" comment

Did I not read about rumors about the very close Gish sisters, Dorothy and Lillian?

There was also a whiff of real brotherly love between juvenile twins Bobby and Billy Mauch.

(As I read that back I detect a "Hollywood Babylon" source.)

Allegedly Errol Flynn had a job on a farm in Australia where he castrated bulls with his teeth!

Gay! Gay! Gay!

R126 see R31

Teeny and Weensy were scissor sisters!

Any info on Laurence Harvey or Alan Bates?

"Oh, there's rumors about Rod La Rocque being very light in the loafers, but just look at him--the man obviously loves hot snatch!"

r118 Can't remember where I read it, but supposedly Garbo got annoyed with Nils during a passionate love scene and shoved him away, saying "Don't kiss me likeI'm one of your sailors!"

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R134 I read the same thing.

Was Edward Mulhare gay? His imdb bio calls him a "confirmed bachelor"

Well, I think we all know what that means.

r136, according to Darwin Porter, Garbo wouldn't kiss Asther because she said she didn't know where his mouth had been the night before. She should talk.

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Darwin Porter shouldn't be counted as a verifiable source for anything, period.

Any info on dancer Marc Wilder? There's very little info on him but he's always pinged

Character actor Henry Brandon, who frequently played villains, was gay and one of his bfs was Mark Herron (Judy's fourth husband!)

Dirk Bogarde's bf, Anthony Forwood was also an actor, though he gave up his career to be Dirk's "manager"

He was a handsome man

"Pinged"

R140, yes, really queened it up in the Adam and Eve dance in Can Can. We could ask Shirley about him.

Guihg

Any info on John Emery, who was once Mr. Tallulah Bankhead? He was also married to dancer Tamera Geva who was one of Alla Nazimova' s many lovers

Emery was from the Forrest Tucker/ John Ireland huge cock class. Tallulah allegedly brought a bunch of her friends into their bedroom where a passed out Emery was lying spread eagled and she uncovered him for all to gape at in awe. One of the guests confirmed the massiveness of it.

That's Emery with the cane, the guy sitting down was one of Vivian Vance's abusive husbands.

^^Philip Ober. Played Kerr's neglectful husband in From Here to Eternity. Also was in a film with Vivian Vance (no scenes together): Secret Fury? Had Colbert and Ryan starring.

Their bedroom, R146??? LOL.

[quote]Anthony Forwood

Great porn name.

[quote]Any info on Laurence Harvey or Alan Bates?

Both were gay.

Any more gossip about same sex hookups behind the scenes?

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Crawford supposedly said of John Carroll (her costar in Susan And God) re his sexual preference: "Absolutely anything with a hole."

Carroll was kinda hot

Any gossip on Nick Adams? Was he gay/bi or was that just rumor? Did he really screw Elvis and James Dean (among others)?

Nick Adams was cute for a short guy

Where's Strickling guy?

R153 Miss Rita doesn't look pleased there.

Edmund Lowe and Lilyan Tashman bearded for each other. 'Ol Lil got around during her short lifetime.

^ The white Will and Jada?

Might have been mentioned already, but wasn't Burt Lancaster one of the few actors who publicly admitted being sexually attracted to other men and saw nothing wrong with the reverse? I think he might have also admitted to the casual same-sex-fling.

You're dreaming, R161.

R161 This is from Darwin Porter's book "Brando Unzipped," so take it with a grain of salt...

[quote]While Tennessee Williams was watching Kazan direct Vivien and Karl Malden in a pivotal scene, Frank Merlo slipped off to Mushy Callahan's Gymnasium on the Warners lot. As he was undressing,he overheard two men laughing and joking in one of the shower stalls. Hoping to get in on the fun, he stripped down and walked toward them. "Those two didn't even see me. I was all so very gay. To my surprise, I saw BURT LANCASTER and Marlon showering together. Burt was soaping Marlon's back with one hand and probing his ass with the index finger of his other hand. Marlon was giggling like a school girl. I left those two lovebirds alone and seduced a well-hung grip that day instead."

[quote]Brando's agent Edith Van Cleve allegedly explained Marlon's fondness for men: "'Instead of being hostile to actors with whom he was competing, Marlon tried to seduce them,'" she said. "'It was as if the act of seduction gave him the edge. Take poor Montgomery Clift, for instance. Instead of being leery of Monty, Brando overpowered him sexually. At any rate, when I combed all of New York for Brando to tell him he was on again for the part of Stanley, he was screwing Burt Lancaster. If I had been a man, I too would have wanted to screw Burt Lancaster.'"

R161 Lancaster holds a prominent place on Ranker's "rumored to be bisexual" list, sandwiched *ahem* between Brando and Dean (@ #4)...

I wouldn't take anything Darwin Porter writes seriously

Brando did publicly say he was bisexual however...

R163, that would be a barrel of salt, if the info is from Porter.

More on Lancaster...

Lancaster wanted to be in LA CAGE AUX FOLLES, but his agents convinced him it wasn't a good idea. I know Kirk Douglas was once asked whether the rumors about Lancaster also liking men were true and he said they were bullshit, but then he would, wouldn't he?

^ Did Gary Morton talk him out of it?

I got a gay vibe from Burt Lancaster from a scene in From Here to Eternity, where he's sitting in a road with Montgomery Clift. They're both drunk after leaving the bar, and they have a conversation. Lancaster reaches over and starts stroking Clift's head and caressing the nape of his neck in a very sensual manner. That touch doesn't look like the move of one buddy to another - it's more lover-like and I always wondered if Burt was showing another side of himself.

R169 supposedly Lancaster's actions in that scene were impromptu but the director Fred Zinnemann kept them in the final print

During the filming of "...Eternity", didn't Clift and Sinatra spend nights getting drunk together and having to be delivered home. I wonder if Clift ever made moves on the straight Sinatra, since he reputedly became very sexually aggressive after having a few drinks.

r171, read Darwin Porter!

Darwin Porter is a liar

Anything on Vincent Price? There was a rumor that he and Errol Flynn slept together

Errol Flynn had a penchant for underage girls. Vincent Price, on the other hand...

[quote]“I tricked with Vinny for years. Sex with him was pleasant, unhurried, gentle…in 1974 he would marry Australian-born actress Coral Browne. She worked primarily in England and although she was a dyke—I know because I would fix her up with many tricks with young women in future years—the couple were devoted to one another. They had virtually no sex life together but they cared deeply for each other.”

Price and Coral Browne were outed by his daughter in a bio she wrote about her dad

Errol Flynn, like Brando, seemed like a nympho who would screw anyone.

I've yet to hear reports of Flynn with men, except from Darwin Porter who folded in liberal amounts of frothy fanfiction. I'd believe Bowers over Porter...

[quote]Bowers’ anecdotes about heterosexual Flynn are both startling and expected. In addition to alcohol consumption at an almost impossible levels (Flynn was dead from alcoholism by 50), the author details the actor’s predilection for “young stuff.” “I don’t care if she has to be 18, just as long as she looks and behaves like someone between, well, let’s say 14 and 16.”

The news is really sweeping the towne - Beryl Reid loves Coral Browne!

Judy Carne talked about her affair with the adult daughter of a famous movie star in her autobio - it was Rory Flynn, Errol's daughter.

Burt married a lesbian?

Were you just hatched from an egg, R180?

There is a Darwin Porter troll here for years who insists that all Porter's reporting was made up. In fact, Porter made his name by saying publicly what had been well known and well accepted rumor for years.

Someone doesn't like that. I wonder what that poster's true motives are.

I would be starting a war with this person except that I'm not engaged to enough to argue with it and won't.

^ Sorry, not engaged enough to argue, not engaged to enough to argue. Regardless, the Porter troll is tiresome and most of what Porter wrote was well known but never before said publicly.

"She didn't dare say that! It isn't true!"

Aw, shut up.

R182, Darwin, dear, don't you have some more fiction to shit out?

R179, The lesbian daughter would have been Dierdre Flynn, not Rory, who had a son.

"There is a Darwin Porter troll here for years who insists that all Porter's reporting was made up. In fact, Porter made his name by saying publicly what had been well known and well accepted rumor for years."

Oh, come on - do you know anything about this guy? His sources are dubious - he'll claim he had access to some sort of secret diary or memoir from someone who died years ago, without providing evidence that those documents existed. Yeah, some of his stuff is based on pre-existing rumors, and I wouldn't say ALL of the things he writes are untrue, but he definitely lacks credibility.

R185, may I remind you that having a son has absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality?

Porter is a terrible writer and his "books" are full of rumor, gossip, and probably a bit of fantasy, but.....a lot of what he writes is stuff that has been discussed elsewhere. To scream "It's all lies!" isn't very accurate either.

Sean Flynn was gorgeous!

Yeah, he was fine. His mother was French actress Lili Damita.

R187/R179 Oh, please, it was meant as additional information. Dierdre's the lez, and you should take the time to get your facts straight.

Have a very Nelson Eddy Christmas!

Any info on Grady Sutton, Laird Cregar, Harold Lloyd Jr.?

Gay, gay, don't know

According to Hollywood Babylon, Harold Lloyd was the straightest actor of all (big in Hollywood for McCarthy).

Sean Flynn was delicious.

Good picture of Sean in Darwin Porter's Hollywood Babylon. Very good.

I read Darwin's book on Paul Newman. He had plenty of examples of Paul's male lovers, but interestingly, no females for Joanne.

Sean Flynn.

YUMMY ! r199

How big a star was Sean Flynn?

Darwin Porter shows a lot more of Sean.

Were Sal Mineo and Jill Haworth a bearding arrangement or were they really in love?

Jill broke up with Sal because of the boys.

R198 that's because Joanne is still alive. Porter had to restrain his fabulizing.

R193, wow. Wikipedia has a really sad entry about Harold Lloyd, JR. He was in a movie called "The Flaming Urge" (really). It's on YouTube and is about a guy who is fascinated by fires, and fights against his urges...There's a pickup scene at 15:00. Apparently Sr. was rather understanding of his son, but Jr. was an alcoholic who died young.

Any info on tap dancer Lee Dixon? He appeared in a few WB musicals in the late '30s and was in the OBC of Oklahoma. He died young and I've heard rumors that he was gay.

I've heard he was gay too. He was in a film with doomed bi or gay Ross Alexander.

Lee Dixon was cute

R206 Love those hoofers from the Golden Age...

R209 Damn, he was talented, and cute as HELL!

The first Will in the original Oklahoma!!^^^^

Dixon makes the chopped-up Rob Marshall dances look like dog sick.

Died of alcoholism at 42. Sure is something at R209.

R209 Thanks for posting this. Lee Dixon is great.

I think that Lee Dixon looks a lot like NPH.

In this rare and surprisingly homoerotic clip, Lee Dixon dances in his underwear with Ross Alexander (most remembered for playing Jeremy Pitt, friend and navigator to Errol Flynn's Captain Blood) another rumored homosexual who tragically ended his life with a shotgun at the age of 29.

Impressive TCM profile of Ross Alexander's tragic life in Hollywood as a closeted homosexual...

Thanks!^^^^

R216 - thanks for posting that clip!!!! It's sooooooo gay!

There's a great site on character actor Ernest Thesiger, best known as Dr. Pretorius in Bride of Frankenstein, and it covers his whole career on stage and screen, plus it has pics of him in drag. Fun fact: he wrote several books on needlepoint sewing

R124. Nice try, but Alexis Smith was married to Craig Stevens (both likely gay), not Craig Nelson, you idiot. Try checking your posting before throwing shade at someone else!

"Thesiger"

R220, also, in his spare time, he drove big rigs cross-country.

R220 Another fun fact. His cousin was the explorer Wilfred Thesiger. Wilfred's photos of Arab male pulchritude in his books Arabian Sands and The Marsh Arabs (well worth reading by the way) suggest that he shared Ernest's tastes.

Ernest Thesiger was also friends with the notorious Earl of Beauchamp, who was expelled from Britain after being involved in a notorious gay scandal

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Any info on Cyril 'Captain Hook' Ritchard?

Ross Alexander was a hot mess.

Hee Hee!!

Was Rafael Campos, one of Dinah Washington's husbands, gay? He always pinged

r229 What a difference a gay makes.

I have to admit that I'm too lazy to scroll through 200 + posts on David Manners (1901-1998) . I read recently that the story about his star being removed from the Hollywood Walk of Fame because he was gay is untrue and that he never had a star. There wasn't one in place to remove.

I'm a David Manners fan and I never heard anything about him having his star removed

Someone said of Tom Drake, of MMISL, that he was an All-American boy who liked All-American boys. He and Gene Kelly starred opposite both Judy and Deanna.

Tom Drake was a cutie

Any info on George Nader, whom Confidential Magazine outed instead of Rock Hudson?

He looked great in his scenes with young and luscious John Saxon in "The Unguarded Moment." George was a cop and John was a bad boy...

Confidential never outed George Nader

Anything about Richard Carlson?

[quote]Any info on George Nader, whom Confidential Magazine outed instead of Rock Hudson?

R235 It was Tab Hunter that Confidential outed instead of Rock Hudson.

They outed Tab Hunter but it wasn't as an "exchange" to avoid outing Rock Hudson. It was Rory Calhoun who Henry Willson sold down the river to protect Rock - he wasn't outed as gay, he was outed as being an ex-con

[quote]Anything about Richard Carlson?

With a wife as ugly as he had, he MUST have been gay.

R240 Willson may have outed Calhoun to preserve his meal ticket, Rock Hudson, but he definitely did it to Tab Hunter, as Tab, himself, recalls...

[quote]In September 1955, just as my career was taking off — I had just starred in one of the biggest box-office hits of the year, Battle Cry — Confidential targeted me. It all came about because Henry Willson, who "discovered" me and many other "pretty boy" actors, was upset when I left him to be represented by another agent. Around the same time, he learned that Confidential was planning to out Rock Hudson, who still was one of his clients, so he cut a deal with them to keep Rock out of their pages, feeding them dirt on me instead. Specifically, he made them aware of the fact that five years earlier, before I was anybody, I had been arrested for disorderly conduct when police raided a party at which I — and a number of other gay people — were in attendance. Confidential then ran the story on its cover and described it as "a pajama party," insinuating that it had been some sort of gay orgy.

[quote]Any info on Cyril 'Captain Hook' Ritchard?

He was married for many years to actress Madge Elliott, until her death in 1955. But he certainly seemed like a big ol' poof, which made his Captain Hook a sheer delight. Everyone else I've ever seen in the role has been a disappointment compared with Cyril.

Oh, and he wore a dress to do this insane number with a clearly unbalanced Liza.

^ That is a hoot!!!

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In case--unlikely--there's interest: R243 is from a 1965 TV show about Riding Hood, music by Jule Styne.

Has James Mitchell been mentioned yet? Any gossip on him?

Cyril Ritchard's wedding photo.

"It was the best of times; it was the worst of times."

I fear something has been lost, even though we have gained so much...

x

That was a lavender marriage

Any reason why David Manners left Hollywood and went back to BWay in 1936? I've heard several rumors about why he did so ranging from him being busted cruising in an LA park to refusing to marry a starlet to make him look hetero to being photographed in a compromising position with another actor at a Garden of Allah party

R39 Jack Benny had as much sexual aura as Kevin Spacey has (and the late Ralph Richardson had)

R251, I'll take C, please, with the other actor being Jack LaRue.

Any updates from the Strickling Files guy? We miss you.

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I've heard rumors that Vincent Price and Errol Flynn hooked up during the filming of Elizabeth and Essex

Also, Donald Crisp and Henry Daniell

James Mitchell (The Bandwagon and All My Children) was the long-time partner of Oscar-winning Hollywood costume designer Albert Wolsky (All That Jazz, Grease, Bugsy). They worked together on The Turning Point.

I believe Albert is still with us though he must be close to 90.

Donald Crisp was gay?!

Poor Errol Flynn. He fucked anything that moved. He was a Nazi. He castrated bulls with his teeth. He was a rapist. He was a drug smuggler. The poor man. He certainly was a hell raiser but most of what has been said about him sounds like just so much sensational bullshit. Charles HIgham, the guy who wrote the book depicting him as a Nazi spy (he also said Flynn was bi-sexual )admitted that he had no evidence that Flynn was a German agent, but said he had “pieced together a mosaic that proves that he is." Flynn's friend David Niven criticised Higham for his unfounded accusations. Subsequent Flynn biographers are critical of Higham's allegations, and have found no evidence to corroborate them.

I think Flynn liked to party and fuck (he may well have fucked iunderage girls, but I doubt he was the only star in Hollywood to do that) but all that other crap that's been said about him sounds like pure bullshit. One rumor was that he was cruel to animals; his daughter stated she had never seen him be anything but kind to animals. Truman Capote has said he fucked Flynn; well, everyone knows how truthful THAT little troll was. I think poor Errol has been lied about a lot.

R258 did you know Mitchell? He was prime in his prime. I think he was not very happy working on Band Wagon, which is just about the best-ever movie musical.

R260 Truth. Flynn is unfairly demonized and Higham's book is generally regarded as fiction. His children speak highly of him as a father. But one egregious thing is true; he was an abusive drunk to women. Afterwards, he would beg forgiveness, sometimes in tears, but when drunk he could be out of control according to the memoir of his second wife, Nora Eddington.

Unfairly demonized? The guy was a creep who went after underage girls. I doubt everything Higham said about him was true, but let's not pretend he was a great person.

Did Errol and Olivia do the horizontal tango?

R264 According to Wikipedia...

[quote]While Flynn acknowledged his personal attraction to Olivia de Havilland, assertions by film historians that they were romantically involved during the filming of Robin Hood were denied by de Havilland. "Yes, we did fall in love and I believe that this is evident in the screen chemistry between us," she told an interviewer in 2009. "But his circumstances [Flynn's marriage to Damita] at the time prevented the relationship going further. I have not talked about it a great deal but the relationship was not consummated. Chemistry was there though. It was there."

R264, Ms.ODH WOULD NEVAH.

Do we believe her?

Alfred Lunt was alleged to have flings with Noel Coward, actor-director Richard Whorf, Monty Clift, Albert Dekker, and Sanford Meisner

Was Lynne Fontanne a lesbian or asexual?

I enjoyed reading Flynn's autobiography My Wicked Wicked Ways

Shame he never got to finish the follow-up, I'm an Evil Nazi Bull Dyke Heel.

How hold are you R260, twelve?

"he may well have fucked underage girls" MAY HAVE? Flynn was known for it.

"The guy was a creep who went after underage girls."

I don't think he "went after" them. They went after HIM. At any rate, he was probably no different from a great many male film stars. And if you want to talk about a creep who went after young girls, Charlie Chaplin, the great, revered Charlie Chaplin, was fixated on young girls. He had to marry two of them because he knocked them up. And his final marriage was to an 18 year old; he was 54. Charlie was always a chicken hawk.

Errol Flynn, age 48, in 1957. He would be dead 2 years later.

Go to 19:10.

So it's okay for Errol Flynn to have fucked underage girls because Charlie Chaplin did?!

R274, thx. He was rather nicely absurdist there. Olivia said that in the late 50s she was at a party when an older man said hello. She didn't know him until he introduced himself as Flynn. He had changed that much. She claimed.

"So it's okay for Errol Flynn to have fucked underage girls because Charlie Chaplin did?!"

Just sayin' that Errol Flynn was not the only male movie star who liked them young. He seems to be singled out for some reason ("In Like Flynn") but his behavior no doubt wasn't that much different from a lot of other men in his position.

R273, you're dreaming.

R270 Rollicking good read.

And Errol was a good Me in Too Much Too Soon.

Any info on Billy DeWolfe?

Yes R281. Frank Borman, one of the astronauts who circled the moon in 1968, reported that he could see he was gay from outer space. But as a young gayling, I always liked him as I liked Charles Nelson Reilly in "The Ghost and Mrs. Muir" and Paul Lynde on "Bewitched." And my very conservative father always laughed at all of them as well.

I've always been curious about the rather homely looking Charles Smith. Smith had many decent roles over the years as a contract player with MGM, but in two films, "The Shop Around the Corner" and "A Guy Named Joe", he had barely more than bit parts but they are both so very affecting, particularly, the later as a homesick G.I. I presume he was gay, as all you have to do is watch him as one of Judy's back up boys in "In The Good Old Summertime" to tell.

Does anyone else know anything about Lowell Gilmore? He pinged.

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Any info on Douglass Montgomery? I know he married Michael Wilding' s ex wife in the early '50s just as Wilding was set to marry La Liz but there's very little info on him

^ He flames in every move I've seen him in

Fun fact: Douglass Montgomery tested for the role of Ashley in GWTW, as did Melvyn Douglas, Jeffrey Lynn and Vincent Price [who made a test in NYC, unlike the other actors Price' s test is lost)

R288. Price would have been a much more credible Aunt Pittypat.

Richard Carlson also tested for the role of Ashley Wilkes

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R289 or Prissy

Orson Welles was rumored to be bi. Guys who he allegedly slept with: Thornton Wilder, Guthrie McClintock, Vincent Price, Tyrone Power, John Gielgud, Jack Cassidy (when Cassidy was a chorus boy in Welles' s musical version of Around the World in 80 Days), Tony Perkins (who slept with Welles to get his role in The Trial). like Brando, Errol Flynn and John Barrymore, Orson seemed like he'd fuck anyone.

I never heard that Welles liked guys, although he did work with lots of gays

R4 I've heard both Errol Flynn and John Barrymore were both bisexual (no surprise on Flynn's part) from older relatives who worked in Hollywood way back when. There were rumors the two were more than just drinking buddies.

Welles also worked with this 'mo:

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Actor David Bacon, who was murdered in the 40s

Bobby Harron, who was a member of DW Griffith' s stock company for many years, killed himself because he was deeply closeted and Catholic. There were rumors that he was busted by the cops, shortly before his death, at Everard bathhouse in NYC after it was raided by the vice squad and that Griffith and Lillian Gish bailed him out of jail.

Ralph Graves, a regular in Mack Sennett comedies and in several of Frank Capra's early films, was gay and rumored to have slept with Howard Hughes when Hughes first came to Hollywood

The Everard Baths were a cruising ground even back then?

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Yep

[quote]Bobby Harron, who was a member of DW Griffith' s stock company for many years, killed himself because he was deeply closeted and Catholic. There were rumors that he was busted by the cops, shortly before his death, at Everard bathhouse in NYC after it was raided by the vice squad

R33 Sounds like he killed himself because he was brutally outed and shamed, not because he was Catholic.

**R300

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Was in a silent movie group on Facebook (yeah, yeah, I know, FB sucks...) and one of the members mentioned Valentino being bisexual and one of the moderators (a female btw) freaked out, saying there was no proof, he was 100% straight, etc etc and that the member would be muted and then banned if they posted such messages again. One, I was really surprised by the over-reaction (had never seen it with other posts) and two, I think not only was/is bisexuality common in Hollywood's past as it is today but that it was somewhat well known in Valentino's case.

r306, I used to post at the TCM forums and some posters would freak out if you suggested any classic star may have had same sex affairs. If you suggested that Garbo or Hepburn ate pussy people would flame you

R307 Gurl, they would totally flame ME.

R307 Same here. I used to post to a few entertainment boards and, having had family and friends who had worked in Hollywood ages ago, would sometimes contribute stories and gossip. Granted, some of the tales were second- or third-hand accounts, but it got to be annoying with some people always remarking "But how do YOU know for a fact? YOU weren't there!" I suppose some just can't face having their favorite stars being made less than perfect.

Valentino was 1000% gay, known to all. Well, maybe not those under 30.

Well, there are plenty of elderly fangurls insisting he was straight, so not sure about the "those under 30" comment. Most people under 30 (or, honestly, under 70) don't care about him anyway.

There are others who don't like talking about a male celeb's gay sex life either (not necessarily debating if they were gay or not). Mention Rock Hudson, for example, hooking up with another actor or local trade and people will freak out. "Do we really need to know/talk about that?" "Do we need to know what went out behind bedroom doors?" It's called GOSSIP.

^ yeah, I love it how, when a star comes out they always say shit like "Why do we need to know this?" but they don't mind straight stars flaunting their wives and girlfriends

Just saw Phillips Holmes in The Criminal Code ('31) on TCM the other day and he's wearing a LOT of makeup...

Phillip Reed pinged

Look at the woman on the left. No wonder he was gay.

What woman on the left?!

The most gorgeous gay couple: Cary and Randy.

Who was the top?

This one goes waaaay back but C.M. Hallard was a popular star of the English stage in the Victorian and Edwardian era, when films came into vogue he started doing silents and then talkies. His career lasted 50 years.

Any info on dancer Marc Platt? Wiki says he was married twice and had three kids (one by the first wife, two by the second). He's always pinged to me and there's rumors that he was Cole Porter' s houseboy early in his career

Well he was in a 1941 short film called "The Gay Parisian "...

Died at 100.

How many of the 7 Brothers were gay?

Not Howard Keel.

Not Russ Tamblyn.

Not Jacques D'amboise.

Definitely Tommy Rall.

Maybe Marc Platt.

Hoping for Jeff Richards.

Who am I forgetting?

Pat Renella, need a question settled that has been on my mind for a while.

Nice looking guy but cannot find a single female romantic link or anything else. Never married, no kids and died at aged 83 survived by a niece.

Guy wasn't so bad to look at, yet managed to have an entire acting career and life in Hollywood without a single female attachment. What gives? Family?

R324: you are forgetting Matt Mattox. I do not know if he was gay.

Well at least one letter between Tyrone Power and J. Watson Webb isn't locked away in a vault.

I think Matt Mattox was straight. His granddaughter (or maybe great granddaughter) is currently a chorus girl on Broadway in many shows. She's lovely!

Everard Baths was well known for "lewd" behavior going back to the 1920's. Did young gays think they invented something?

^ Even before then - that article has a bit about an anti-gay bust in 1919!

Tyrone Power is said to have had an affair with Diana Barrymore's half brother Robin.

R321: I will see your C.M. Hallard and raise you silent film star J. Walter Kerrigan, of the 'teens. His last big role was a western in 1925, during which he bitched about the heat, dust, and smell.

[QUOTE]Rod Taylor? I can’t believe it. His second wife was Asian...so...

Ever noticed how many closeted white guys end up marrying Asian women ?

R331

Cesar Romero and Tyrone Power had a very long affair.

While Tyrone and Cesar may have initially been fuck buddies in their youth, I think it's widely known among inner circles that through most of their adult lives they were BFFs who divided and conquered every handsome young stud on the 20th Century Fox lot.

Do you think either of them ever undressed young John Payne?

More about J. Warren Kerrigan (and also his partner, who was an actor too)

I was cruised by Jacques D'amboise about 20 years ago, on an island ferry boat off the coast of Maine, so we can check another one off R324's list.

he was just inspecting your enjambement.

Danny Kaye' s bf at the very beginning of his career was tap dancer Nick Long Jr., who appeared in Broadway Melody of 1936, tragically Long was killed in a car crash

Laurence Olivier.

Tom Tryon! He was gorgeous when he was young.

Just a couple of straight guys hanging out! No homo!

r341, he sure had lost his looks by r342's photo. He looks worn out.

Anyone know anything about Loren Tindall? He was "Beef" in Good News. I always thought he was cute. There's next to nothing about his personal life on the net.

Another mystery man is Jimmy (sometimes Jimmie) Thompson. He was the uncredited singer in the "Beautiful Girls" fashion show number in "Singin' In The Rain", and featured in "Brigadoon", both Gene Kelly vehicles. He also appeared in small parts in two more MGM musicals, "Summer Stock" and "The Band Wagon". His IMDB entry has no biographical info, and there’s very little info anywhere else that I can find, except that he also worked with Kay Thompson on her stage shows.

^ He was a cutie

That’s what I thought, R346!

There were some hot assed leading men back in the day.

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Let's just say there's a reason why Rod La Rocque's screen name referenced his throbbing, turgid dick.

Sad that his wife (Vilma Banky) never got to enjoy his legendary man-meat, but she was of the Sapphic persuasion, so it all worked out splendidly for everyone involved.

Best. Name. Ever.

Leon Janney, who started out in the Our Gang series, always pinged for me.

R335

Did you know that Payne was 2 years older than Power ?

Iconic photo of John Payne

Any info on Gar Moore, who was married briefly to Nancy Walker? He always pinged to me

That John Payne photo has to be one of the best ever taken of a man. Is that Hurrell?

Just because Matt Mattox, who I found the most attractive of the brothers, had children does not make him straight. He could have been but it's no guarantee. Think Anthony Perkins.

Who?

John Payne must have been one of the most photographed shirtless male stars of the pre-Henry Willson period. Perhaps because he was under contract to Fox like Betty Grable, he often posed for beefcake publicity photos not unlike her cheesecake versions.

John Payne was straight but was very much into physical fitness and bodybuilding. And yes, R54, the photo is by Hurrell.

R350 and it his real name! Among his films:

Wild, Wild Susan

Gigolo

Let Us Be Gay

HI, Gaucho!

Frisco Waterfront

R345 Jimmie was Kay's son. And Marshall's brother.

Old news, but: Lawford might have had a fling with Mineo while they were filming "Exodus"

For me, blonde blue-eyed and quite cute, I have a thing for ethnic guys. Any movie I watch with Sabu turns me on and I would rip his loincloth off and deepthroat his purple cock without even asking permission.

I'm also in lust with Sal Mineo who just seem like someone who would just be fun to play around with and then go to a movie together. He did a film calles Tonka with a hot Dominican actor named Rafael Campos who is on a list of gay or bisexual actors but was married to Dinah Washington and had children from another marriage towards the end of his life. Raphael played the thug friend of James Khan's in Lady in a Cage. He looked short in stature, but something tells me that there was something massive inside.

Filipino actor Patrick Adiarte is also very hot, and I would be happy to pleasure him as well. if you think he's cute as a twink in The King and I, check him out in Flower Drum Song 5 years later and then the really bad cold classic Jon Goldfarb please come home. He later did the Brady Bunch episode where they go to Hawaii. There are also videos of him dancing on TV. He has an enthusiasm that is just delightful to watch.

I also recently discovered a Mexican actor (straight according to YouTube host by his grandson) named Pedro Gonzalez Gonzalez. He appeared on a Groucho Marx TV show and was so deliciously deadpan that I just wanted to reach into the screen and hug him. I saw him recently in a movie with the recently deceased Julie Adams called Wings of the hawk, and he was simply delectable.

If I had to choose from all of these hot ethnic guys, I think I would choose Sabu.I'd gladly remove all of those Jewels he was wearing in Black Narcissus and strip him down to his deliciously hot Indian body.

Whew. Where are my smelling salts?

So are you a fan of young John Saxon (aka Carmine something)? Mario Alcalde?

Sabu has one of those pretty mouths that make his face look like a cock head. Sort of like Banderas.

"I'd gladly remove all those jewels [Sabu] was wearing in Black Narcissus and strip him..."

Get in line, toots.

r362, Maureen O'Hara claimed that Lawford and Richard Boone were caught at a male brothel in Australia while they were making a movie there

She should talk. How about that article in Confidential exposing her fuck session with an usher in the balcony of the Burbank Rivoli?

She said that wasn't true.

Didn't she sue Confidential and won?

Richard Boone sued her and won.

But was Richard Boone gay?

"Richard Boone sued her and won."

No, where did you get that?

"How about that article in Confidential exposing her fuck session with an usher in the balcony of the Burbank Rivoli?"

No, they claimed an usher saw her making out with a guy in a theater. The guy in question was not an usher.

And it was the Pasadena Paramount.

R369 Yes, O'Hara sued Confidential and won. She also got back at closeted director John Ford, who was alternately abusive and obsessed with her by outing him in her memoir:

From Maureen O'Hara's autobiography:

[quote]I went to Ford's office to show him the revised sketches for my wardrobe. My arms full of the sketches, I walked into his office without knocking and could hardly believe my eyes. Ford had his arms around another man and was kissing him. I was shocked and speechless. I quickly dropped the sketches on the floor, then knelt down to pick them up. I fumbled around slowly and kept my head down. I took my time so they could part and compose themselves. They were on opposite sides of the room in a flash. The gentleman Ford was with was one of the most famous leading men in the picture business. He addressed a few pleasantries to me, which were forced and awkward, then quickly left. Ford and I went on with our business. Not a word was said, and I played it out as if I hadn't seen a thing. Later, that actor approached me and asked, "Why didn't you tell me John Ford was homosexual?" I answered, "How could I tell you something I knew nothing about?"

As to who might have been the actor Ford was caught snogging, we discussed this upthread @ R107 & R10.

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R361, according to her Wiki page, Thompson didn't have any children. And Thompson wasn't a married name but a stage name, she was born Catherine Louise Fink

I believe r361 was making a joke. A lame one.

Jack Buetel.

Do you think Howard Hughes cast him for his exceptional acting skills?

Tom Drake.

Ironic that the boy next door was a gay man.

[quote]r216 Ross Alexander ... another rumored homosexual who tragically ended his life with a shotgun at the age of 29.

oh, how sad : (

R381, and Ronald Reagan replaced him.

So this famous leading man was a friend and she did not want to out him. And it seems she already knew he was gay.

Is it idle speculation that Drake became an alcoholic out of unrequited love for Lawford? Lawford was very handsome but I'd choose Drake. And who was that man Garland found in bed with Vincente. Guess we'll never know. I'd like to think it was Gene.

Interesting that Laurents writes in his book that there were rumors about Kelly. If anybody knew it was Laurents. If he had directly outed him the widow Kelly who has made a lucrative career out of carrying the flame of her dead husband would have garroted him.

Laurents was also a vicious gossip who wasn't above inventing rumors. So who knows?

Yes, he could be a veritable fishwife. But a dynamo in the sack.

He wasn't even all that good looking but he seems to have known everybody and been invited everywhere. And the really only outstanding work of his that I know of is the book of Gypsy. Or at least has lasted as quality writing. I know people love TWWW and Turning Point but they are just high class soaps to me.

He was decent looking as a young man. I think it's true that he knew a lot of people and was very social, although that may have been primarily professional. I have the impression that even his friends disliked him. By the time he was an old man, many long-time friends had basically turned away from him. Mary Rodgers and Sondheim are examples of loyal friends who just couldn't deal with him any more.

"Bunkum"? It's bumkus. Some of you are too young to know these words.

I think it is bunkum.

You may be thinking of bupkis.

r389 's post is pure bunkum.

I admit I fell in love with Sabu when I was around 4.

I thought Friend of Dorothy meant friend of Judy Garland, am I right?

I have never ever heard of the word Bunkum. I am thinking of the word bupkus.

Bunkum is mid-century "nonsense." Bupkis= nothin'

They're really not interchangeable.

Bunkum got shortened eventually to bunk.

Dictionary result for bunk /bəNGk/ nouninformal noun: bunk

nonsense. "anyone with a brain cell would never believe such bunk" synonyms:tnonsense, rubbish, balderdash, gibberish, claptrap, blarney, guff, blather, blether;

"that idea is just sheer bunk"

Origin: early 20th century: abbreviation of bunkum.

The BWW chatroom reports of Glenda's LEAR are truly horrifying. Apparently, she enters in a man's black suit and looks like Charlie Chaplin.

OOps. ^^^^That was intended for one of the Theatre threads.

It's the punchline of a joke about summer camp: bunk cum

That's very droll, r399.

But Old Man River, he just keeps drollin' along...

Van Johnson and Keenan Wynn were apparently "best of friends". Even Keenan's father, character actor Ed Wynn, suspected they might be fucking.

Van isn't my type but Keenan was kind of hot. Reminds me of a cross between Tom Hanks and vintage Colt model Steve Kelso.

One of the hottest gay rumors I've ever heard is that Montgomery Clift and character actor John Ireland were supposedly involved in a torrid affair on the set of "Red River".

John Ireland was HAF and reportedly had one of the biggest cocks in Hollywood. I think he's much sexier than Clift.

R4 Flynn's weakness was high school girls and exotics. If he experimented a bit with homo sex it was early on and never took. He liked brunettes. He was crazy about Olivia de Havilland and wanted to marry her but she was too aware of his problems and fended him off.

John Ireland. Big dick face and big dick bulge.

Or [R402] you could opt for the steampunk daddy version.

More hung Ireland

Johnny Ireland was constantly fucking around with Joan Crawford in her dressing room when we made Queen Bee.

I wonder if hung daddy Ireland was really naked in this scene.

Yow. Well that was a direct ripoff of the Psycho shower scene.

The derivative of the word "bunkum" comes from the North Carolina county of Buncombe (Asheville is the seat).

In the early 19th century, a congressman from the area would make long-winded, empty-headed speeches on Capitol Hill, using the phrase "I'm speaking for the people of Buncombe." His critics picked up the word to mock him, saying his speeches were full of buncombe, aka bunkum. It caught on because most politicians were and are full of bunkum.

1950s beefcake actor Keith Andes left one his wives to move in with well-know bisexual Tony Curtis briefly in the 60s.

You may remember Andes as Lucille Ball's co-star in "Wildcat" on Broadway, and as the husband of Glynis Johns in her one-season sitcom in the 60s. He also played opposite of Marilyn Monroe in her early success Clash by Night.

Later, he became a personal favorite of CBS president James Aubrey, which set Hollywood tongues a'wagging in the early 60s. He got a CBS series out of it, but it only lasted one season.

Not often we get an authentic nude of a Golden Age Hollywood actor with such clarity----even if it is a C-lister like Keith Andes.

Quite nice dick.

Since when is Tony Curtis a well known bisexual?

Tony acknowledged sleeping with guys in his younger days

Skip Homeier was the poor man's Keith Andes.

R415 He did?! Boy I missed that.

I always liked Skip Homeier

I like Christian Homeier as well, who is, reportedly, related.

^ Hot!

Agreed, R364, Mario Alcalde was so handsome — always a treat to see in TV reruns. Died young in the early 1970s — wonder what happened there?

Percy Helton pinged to high heaven.

See also, John Fiedler

R421 nice to meet another Mario fan. IIRC, he also had a very nice voice. Periodically I try and find a "cause of death" for him. Zero. He had a small part as a cop in Dead Ringer.

R364

Edmund Gwenn of "Miracle On 34th St" fame was, of course, a homosexual but no one cares to discuss it because, let's face it, if an actor isn't handsome and fuckable---WHO CARES!

R424 But he's a ho ho ho! We can still giggle behind our hands that Santa's gay.

After seeing "The Incredible Shrinking Man" a while ago it didn't surprise me in the slightest when I checked Grant Williams' bio to discover that he was a lifelong "confirmed bachelor".

Very handsome and classic looking guy.

Any truth to the rumor that Cagney once cornered and kissed a young Audy Murphy? I read it on a gossip blog many years ago and tried to find out any truth to it that I could. I just can't believe my Jimmy being an aggressive, red-headed, little daddy bear!!!

[quote]Any truth to the rumor that Cagney once cornered and kissed a young Audy Murphy?

There's also the rumor I read a while back about Cagney giving Nick Adams oral on the set of Mr. Roberts.

Cagney was married to the same woman for his career, no natural born kids (but they adopted a boy and a girl). Later in life, both kids were estranged from Cagney - wonder why? As a dancer with a tight ass, Cagney was probably no stranger to "the life".

Well, he never fucked me!

Cagney took a "distinct liking" to young actor Don Dubbins and cast him in a couple movies.....is there a story there?

Cagney started out as a drag dancer.

R428, when Cagney was working on White Heat, he had a 3 way with Steve Cochran and Eddie O'Brien. Guess who was Lucky Pierre?

In one of the Coward biographies the author says that Coward claimed to have slept with Cagney. In those pre code talkies Cagney is very cute. He was also friends with Lincoln Kirstein. That certainly widened my eyes.

They would have made an, um, interesting couple.....

Maybe Audie gave Cagney this look before James sprung into unbridled lust mode.

R429, check out Grant Williams in "The Monolith Monsters" if you ever get a chance. It's your typical '50s SciFi nonsense, but Grant looked amazing.

Any rumors about Jimmy Cagney and Horst Bucholz when they made 1 2 3 ?

Supposedly Cagney loathed Buchholz and refused to even see the film because he never wanted to see Horst again. Were his old man advances spurned?

Probably, r439. Wasn't Horst openly gay at that time?

I don't know about that as he had children but he did admit at some point that he had bisexual experiences. I certainly found him very cute when I was a boy and saw Fanny on TV.

What caused Horst's untimely death?

R364, I worked in the Film/Programming Department at a syndicated TV station in Chicago for several years after college from the mid-80s to the mid-90s — great gig for a lifetime movie buff like me, as we had to oversee all the on-air programming. Tons of movies and TV shows from the 50s to the 90s, and this was where I first noticed Mario Alcalde. He seemed to guest on every show up to the early 70s, and his masculine presence was always a welcome sight. Had no idea until many years later that he’d passed away relatively young in the early 70s.

R439 everyone loathed Buchholz, including Bette Davis, who worked with him in The Empty Canvas. Seems to have been loathable.

Any Montgomery Clift fans here? The first time I watched From Here to Eternity I went in thinking it was a Burt Lancaster-Deborah Kerr movie but Clift stole the show right out from under them. HBO was supposed to be doing a biopic about him but they must have given up. I haven't read any updates on filming in over a year.

I read Leslie Caron's book awhile ago and I don't remember her having any opinion on Buccholz. The two of them make a beautiful couple in Fanny. And she has no qualms about making Peter Hall look bad. I was surprised she was at his memorial.

I don't know why but I always had the impression that Horst Buchholz died young. Maybe because I thought his biggest films were over before he turned 35.

So I looked him up just now and Wiki says he lived to be 69 and died in 2003. And it also says that he came out as bi in a German magazine called Bunte. And his son Christopher made a documentary about Horst that also talked about his bisexuality.

Who knew??

Everyone is very funny in Billy Wilder’s much underrated “One Two Three!”

Probably my favorite comedy. I can quote dozens of lines from it.

I liked 'Kiss Me Stupid' very much when I saw it at FF. I was very surprised as it is so notorious. And his career never really recovered from its fallout.

More about Cagney!

R449. It was a revelation. Just hilarious and very sweet. Novak is delightful. Walston replaced Sellers and was great. Imagine all the fuss at the time! But I don't think it would have hurt Wilder's career all that much.

Have you noticed how many of Wilder's films have the theme of masquerade?

The sweetness was very surprising. As it was genuine and Wilder was so cynical and it often came through even when he was trying to be sentimental.

Richard Travis

When he was cast as Bert Jefferson opposite Bette Davis in THE MAN WHO CAME TO DINNER, Warner Brothers promoted the heck out of him as a top star of tomorrow.

Charles Drake

He was in so many movies, often in small but important roles. Likely best known to DLers for having played Kevin Gilmore in VALLEY OF THE DOLLS.

Williams H. Daniels

Best remembered for playing Garland's brother 'Lon' in MEET ME IN ST LOUIS. Died at the age of 52 in 1973.

Robert Francis

His career was just starting and he'd only done four movies when he was killed in a 1955 plane crash. He was 25.

Tom Beck

Thomas Beck was under contract to Fox. He appeared in a handful of the MR. MOTO (Peter Lorre) movies, four CHARLIE CHAN flicks, was the priest in the 1937 Shirley Temple film HEIDI and about 20 other films.

Randolph Scott

First wife was the super dykey Marion duPont. Between films, he loved Cary Grant until he died in early 1987, just a little over 3 months after Cary Grant.

Nils Asther

Asther who was born in Denmark was a pretty big film star in the 1920s. By the early 30s his star was fading. Married once for less than 2 years, his other straight romance was with Great Garbo so take it for what its worth.

What was the name of the tall, dark and handsome 20th Century Fox contract hottie who played a minor role in Niagara opposite MM as her secret lover and also partnered Susan Hayward in the title number dance in With a Song in My Heart? He had a very generic forgetful name but sizzling looks.

He seemed like someone who was cast purely for his looks so I wonder if he benefited a lot from Fox's casting couch?

R460, that was Richard Allan. I just read his bio at IMDB and thought it was kind of sad, really. He was good looking and talented, and should really have had a big career, but somehow it never took off and he eventually left show business.

R36, Peter Arne sounds like a real bottom feeder...embezzling Queen. I’ve known a couple of shady sissies like him from a dive bar in Philadelphia called The Post. Drunks, hustlers and faded queens reminiscing about the good old days. I knew a couple of guys who did time for embezzlement, stealing money from older people with lots of money. Lotta queens like that who resort to stealing money to live the high life.

"Married once for less than 2 years, his other straight romance was with Great Garbo so take it for what its worth."

Was that a studio created "romance" like Garbo's "romance" with Ramon Novarro?

"Lotta queens like that who resort to stealing money to live the high life."

Maybe, but so do a lot of straights

Wasn’t Silent film actor George O’Brien bi/gay? He was good friends with John Ford. Allegedly, John Ford was such good friends with the magnificent looking Woody Strode that Woody nursed him during his final days when he was bedridden.

John Ford was one ugly fuck

I wonder what guys John Ford nailed....

R459, there's a story that once, when Asther kissed Garbo rather roughly in a scene, she said to him, " I'm not one of your sailors." He was good opposite Stanwyck in General Yen.

Any "evidence" for Richard Travis or Charles Drake? Drake has a small part in Now Viyager, in the flashback on the ship, where he kisses young Charlotte and gets in trouble.

Richard Travis was handsome

ghtyr5y

Garbo was funny. Cruel but funny.

Any Clifton Webb dirt? I heard he used to "audition" young, cute actors

Darwin said that Garbo refused to kiss Asther because she didn't know where his mouth had been last night. She should talk.

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R20, I got it on with George Maharis at a notorious gay sex club in Manhattan, the Mineshaft. He had a big cock and was an alpha. I'm sure hundreds of others did, too.

^ There are like a dozen dataloungers who have claimed to have gotten it on with Maharis over the years. I don't doubt you at all, I'm sure he got around.

R471 rumors that Robert Mitchum in his early days was "sponsored " by Webb.

R472 a flash from always-reliable Darwin?

R474 who did what to whom?

Years ago I heard that he liked to fuck on his motorcycle (presumably when it was not in motion).

The hepatitis that took him off Rte 66 was supposedly contracted when he had scenes in a river, but I've wondered...

Incredibly hot guy.

R477 I blew him, for sure. He may have fucked me, but it's been a lot off years (approx. 1980).

Well it's good you're both still with us.

Hats off to the eldergays who got a piece Maharis...

George is 90 now - is he in good health?

Does anyone really know if he's worn a hairpiece for decades? He was in the first production of Zoo Story, IIRC. Any dish on him and Albee?

Clifton Webb was "friends" with Robert Wagner

R483 No doubt. What's the real story on RJ The Brylcreem Kid?

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Any info on Theodore Newton? I'm watching The Working Man ('33) with George Arliss and a young blonde Bette Davis and he pings. Barely any biographical info

I remember seeing Theodore Newton in a couple episodes of Alfred Hitchcock Presents and thinking he was a handsome daddy. Can't find much info on him, either.

Character actor John Hoyt, always played prissy characters, married for the first time when he was like 50. His character in Winter Meeting was about as gay as you could get by the standards of 40s movies

Indeed, R488. Queen par excellence. See his antiques dealer in The Big Combo. He was married, to a woman , for many years, but was known to like the young guys, and, IIRC, sometimes more than one at a time. Always looked like he took very good care of his built.

R488, I remember John Hoyt from "When Worlds Collide" as the wheelchair bound financier of the project. He comes off as gay there as well, or just prissy.

RJ Wagner was a pass-around bottom at Fox in the early 1950s, mainly between Clifton Webb, Spencer Tracy, Gilbert Roland and Richard Boone. Oh, and Barbara Stanwyck, too.

RJ wasn't fussy.

John Hoyt - the missing link between Ernest Thesiger and Jonathan Harris.

Robert Wagner was Clifton Webb's houseboy early on in his career, as were Clint Eastwood and Jeffrey Hunter

John Hoyt was Grandpa on over 80 episodes of DL fave "Gimme A Break."

"He was married, to a woman , for many years, but was known to like the young guys, and, IIRC, sometimes more than one at a time."

Juicy! Did you know him personally?

R491 and R493 Interesting that Scotty Bowers doesn't mention RJ although he probably has lots of dish on him. He won't out anyone who's still alive.

Yeah, he's a smarty. The dead can't sue.

I’ve wondered about John Smith from “Laramie”. He was briefly married to actress Luana Patten in the early ‘60s, but the marriage dissolved after she filed for divorce citing that “he seemed to have a habit of saying he was going away for the weekend and then wouldn’t show up until 20 or 21 days later.” It’s rumored that he fathered a daughter, but that was never substantiated. He was beautiful, and one of Henry Willson’s boys.

What's this about Clint Eastwood being Clifton Webb's houseboy?!

[quote]r498 He was briefly married to actress Luana Patten in the early ‘60s, but the marriage dissolved after she filed for divorce citing that “he seemed to have a habit of saying he was going away for the weekend and then wouldn’t show up until 20 or 21 days later.”

Crazily, I've always wanted to know more about the somewhat obscure Miss Luana Patton.

I saw a pic of her once from a Vincent Minelli film (HOME FROM THE HILL) and just thought, "She looks like a good actress...expressive."

At CDAN, there's an Old Hollywood blind about Nelson Eddy and Jeanette MacDonald, it sounds like he got most of his info from here

Here's the blind I was referring to:

What's that mean?

What about 40s twink Lon McCallister? He was friends with George Cukor and was a regular at his parties

I always get a kick out of interviews with actors once represented by Henry Wilsson. They all claim to know that Henry went after his models, but it's always somebody else, not them.

I NEVER slept with Henry Willson, Clifton Webb, or any other guy to get roles! Never, ever! I am 100% straight and I got the top purely based on talent and hard work!

Okay, RJ, not you or Tab Hunter or John Saxon or Mike Conners or Rock Hudson or Guy Madison or Rory Calhoun , etc., etc., etc.

or me

Rock Hudson and Guy Madison DEFINITELY slept with Willson. Willson had naked photos of Madison that he would show to people.

I'm watching "Nancy Drew, Detective (1938)" on TCM. Here's a cute young guy. Frankie Thomas as Ted (?!) Nickerson.

I can't find anything about his personal life, but I did discover that, years later, he was TV's "Tom Corbett, Space Cadet" from 1951-55. I'm not eldergay enough to remember that.

Now he's in drag as a nurse, sneaking Nancy into a sanitarium.

"Tom Corbett, Space Cadet"

I’m glad someone upthread mentioned Keith Andes. If you are a fan of film noir beefcake Andes fits the bill nicely.

“A Life at Stake” features Andes along with Miss Angela Lansbury, as the femme fatale, and the legendary Miss Jane Darwell as the boarding house owner.

First beefcake siting is at 00:01:20 in. No one was leaving the theater at that point to get popcorn. Keith definitely knew how to do dumbbell flyes. His pec separation & definition is very well done.

Someone mentioned Rod Taylor - I would've given my right nut to fuck Rod Taylor.

[quote] Willson had naked photos of Madison that he would show to people.

I hope those are preserved in the National Archives. Guy Madison was so good looking, they should be.

Willson also claimed that Madison, though hot, was NOT hung

Keith Andes was in an episode of The Rifleman where he kidnapped and roughed up a young Johnny Crawford. Every time I watch that episode, I SO wish I was Johnny.

Guy

William Eythe

Any Van Johnson stories? I know there was one poster who claimed to have hooked up with Van (in his eldergay years, not at the peak of his fame)

Guy Madison posed for AMG when he first arrived in LA and some of the photos were published in Physique Pictorial over the years. I don't think there were any full frontals ever published but that doesn't mean there weren't any taken.

I think the 3 handsomest TV actors with the best builds were Robert Conrad (The Wild, Wild West), Van Williams (The Green Hornet), and Gary Conway (Land Of The Giants). Absolute perfection, even if they were B-level actors.

[quote]Guy Madison posed for AMG when he first arrived in LA and some of the photos were published in Physique Pictorial over the years. I don't think there were any full frontals ever published but that doesn't mean there weren't any taken.

Quite a few actors posed for physique photos when they were trying to get into the movies. Silent-era star George O'Brien posed for many artistic photos as well as nudes. Burt Lancaster's photos are well documented and online. John Wayne in his pre-stardom Marion Morrison days posed as well as did Gary Cooper. (Cooper's father, a conservative judge who initially did not favor his son entering into the motion picture business, managed to have the photographs seized.) And, while not AMG/studio photos, during the set of photos taken of Steve McQueen at his house, McQueen supposedly had a few full-frontals done for his own benefit but those will unfortunately probably never see the light of day as they're most likely owned by his estate.

R467

25 years after NOW, VOYAGER Drake played Kevin Gilmore in VALLEY OF THE DOLLS. On an anniversary edition DVD of VALLEY OF THE DOLLS there was running commentary from Barbara Parkins & Ted Casablanca. Parkins insinuated that Drake was not interested in women when Casablanca asked if there were any sparks between them.

R522

Don't forget William Smith of tv's LAREDO !

Someone must have mentioned Ross Alexander. Livvy was with him 85 years ago in Midsummer Night's Dream!

R520 Only that Spencer Tracey was obsessed with Van and kept a framed photo of him on his bedside table.

R524 That was one of the dishiest commentary tracks I've ever heard. They must have given Barbara Parkins a couple martinis before starting. She really dished on the actor who played Tony. She kept referring to him as a lounge lizard.

I may well be getting this wrong, but wasn't Van's bad car accident while he was filming A Guy Named Joe with Spence, who insisted that Van not be fired and replaced while recuperating? We know Van was a dancer in the original Pal Joey with Kelly and IIRC Donen. And Lorenz Hart lurking around.

R526 Oh, yes. Check out R216.

I think he was married but Zachary "Monte Beragon" Scott pings for me

Men in Kilts sometimes called Brigadoon had quite a collection; Minelli, Kelly, Johnson, Laing(who is going to destroy the town because the lassie he loves is in love with another laddie. Ha!), Thompson...

I REFUSE to believe that John Ford was a sissy!

r533, denial isn't just a river in Egypt

I think Lon McAllister and William Eythe were long term partners.

Longish. Eythe drank himself to death by 38.

Eythe was busted for cruising while he was doing a Broadway show

Google translated article on Lon McAllister and William Eythe, not a huge amount of into though.

There was a pic of Danny Kaye in drag as Kay Thompson for a charity benefit concert in NYC probably from the early '50s. I can't find it anywhere but he looked like Kay's identical twin

As mentioned earlier, Danny Kaye and Laurence Olivier seemed like an odd pairing. Who are some others which make you think "Him and *HIM*?!?"

I just checked on Wikipedia and it's true William Eythe and Lon McAllister did end up living together after the collapse of Eythe's disaster of a marriage that lasted 2 years. I wonder what it was like for a young gay couple living together back then. They had to be so careful in public.

Horst Buchholz was mentioned upthread. While he was good-looking as a younger man, he did not age well. I assume he was a smoker...

From the SUMMER STOCK MEMORIES thread, many years ago:

In the mid 70s, in spite of the zeitgeist of free love and gay rights, Cape Cod was still a very conservative place. The staff and apprentices who arrived at the beginning of the Falmouth Playhouse summer season would start a brief, chaotic journey, moving from innocence to curiosity to indulgence to decadence...

I’ve shared with you, dear reader, that I was not so innocent in those days. My preference was for musicians, although I was intrigued with the star fucker game. I loved older men, and even though some of you will comment with “eeeewwwww, gross” if I named names, I will admit that I came very, very close to finding out if Van Johnson was as endowed as his legend would have you believe. He was a real gentleman...

Just read on Wikipedia that Horst was open about his bisexuality. Apparently he lived in Berlin and his wife in Paris. Obviously they had an arrangement

[quote] I wonder what it was like for a young gay couple living together back then. They had to be so careful in public.

Ask Cary and Randy.......

r542 But was he hung like a Horst?

So, R543, close, but no cigar?

R543, more about Van!

Did you touch Van's johnson?

He always said, "I Van to be alone" as part of his Garbo imitation.

Robert Helpman, best known as the child-catcher in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang

From Robert Helpman's Wikipedia page:

[quote]...An anonymous obituary in The Times of London, likely penned by John Grigg, the former Lord Altrincham, caused upset, particularly one paragraph which stated: "His appearance was strange, haunting and rather frightening. There were, moreover, streaks in his character that made his impact upon a company dangerous as well as stimulating. A homosexual of the proselytising kind, he could turn young men on the borderline his way."

Apparently Robert Helpman turned out the Lord Altrincham

"Van Johnson mine," sayeth the lard. In Van's dotage.

My straight college buddy was a PA on "Atlantic City". Said Burt Lancaster hit on him all the time.

r554, good dirt!

At 12:30 pm TCM is showing The Story of Seabiscuit, one of Lon McCallister's films

Lon Mccallister and William Eythe produced the musical revue Lend an Ear that launched Carol Channing's career. How gay is that?

Any gossip on black actor Joel Fluellen? He was very good friends with Dorothy Dandridge and allegedly hooked up with Billy Strayhorn

John Wayne and Gabby Hays

R554 Thanks for that delectable tidbit.

What do people know about Hurd Hatfield (so perfect as Dorian Grey) back in the 1940s.

I always thought it was somewhat well-known that Burt Lancaster was bisexual.

Hurd Hatfield was definitely family.

How about John Dall from Gun Crazy and Rope?

Supposedly, Bette Davis had to take Dall aside when they were filming "The Corn Is Green" and tell him to butch it up. Years later, when Dall did a lot of Perry Mason episodes, he really does look like an old queen.

Dall was a hottie in his heyday. Do you think he and Burr hooked up when he guest-starred on Perry Mason? That is, when he wasn't hanging upside down naked from a tree *ahem*...

[quote]Hollywood pimp Scotty Bowers has claimed that Dall was one of his most unusual clients, and liked to be tied upside down to trees in Laurel Canyon in the middle of the night. "He liked to hang upside down naked until morning. Once a week he wanted this."[58] According to music journalist Phil Milstein, at the time of his death Dall had lapsed into alcoholism and was living with his partner, actor Clement Brace (died 1996).

That Scotty story sounds made up, like the ones about stars being into scat

What about hunky Johnny Sands who played Shirley Temple's high school letter man boy friend in The Bachelor and the Bobbysoxer?

Handsome Robert Francis, who was in The Caine Mutiny and a few other films before dying in a plane crash at age 25

R564 I wonder if John Dall & Farley Grainger got it on together during the very few takes between scenes in Rope. Hitchcock hired both of them because he wanted gays in those roles which is fair enough as they were meant to be lovers.

R565: John Dall had to be warned to stay away from the Welsh Men's Chorus in "The Corn is Green" as well!

Marc Wilder was choreographer Jack Cole's long time bf and muse, and he allegedly died of HIV

Marc Wilder was handsome

Let's pay tribute to George Nader, who was gay and gorgeous!

Rock Hudson and George Nader.

R574 Interesting link with hot pix of Nader. We now know from Tab Hunter's memoir that his agent Henry Willson sold him out to Confidential Magazine in exchange for keeping Rock Hudson out of the press. Maybe he did the same to Nader but it sounds like his article never ran whereas Tab's did.

[quote]In September 1955, just as my career was taking off — I had just starred in one of the biggest box-office hits of the year, Battle Cry — Confidential targeted me. It all came about because Henry Willson, who "discovered" me and many other "pretty boy" actors, was upset when I left him to be represented by another agent. Around the same time, he learned that Confidential was planning to out Rock Hudson, who still was one of his clients, so he cut a deal with them to keep Rock out of their pages, feeding them dirt on me instead.

Did Rock and George ever hook up?

Rock Hudson and George Nader were friends and perhaps more. Many photos of them together, especially shirtless, boating, water skiing, etc.

James Mason and Leslie Howard always pinged for me.

That's the Brit. Howard was a dedicated pussyhound.

They were just prissy straight guys

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Any info on Sterling Holloway? Wikipedia says he was a "lifelong bachelor" (and you know what that means...)

Leslie Howard was definitely straight, but he did play a gay man in the Powell & Pressburger film The 49th Parallel.

From Sterling Holloway's wiki page:

"A lifelong bachelor, Holloway once claimed this was because he felt lacking in nothing and did not wish to disturb his pattern of life, but he did adopt a son, Richard."

Was this a Papa Rackover "I adopted my trick!" kind of thing?

Sterling Holloway introduced "Manhattan" and "Mountain Greenery."

George Nader was long partnered with a man named Mark Miller. Mark was Rock Hudson's secretary/assistant for years and years and they all palled around together. If George and Rock hooked up a time or two, it didn't seem to affect the trio's friendship as they stayed close up to Rock's death. George died at age 80 a few years back, still with Mark.

I've never seen the package on Rock in this detail before. Unless someone has tinkered with the pic.

Didn't Rock leave most of his dough to George and Mark?

George and John Saxon in The Unguarded Moment are quite a pair. Also has Esther "Polka Dots" Williams.

R583 Sterling Holloway and Sterling Hayden were a Hollywood power couple.

I LOVE Sterling Hayden. He was THE voice of Disney. His work in Dumbo, Peter and the Wolf, Alice in wonderland, The Jungle Book, Winnie the Pooh, Lambert the Sheepish loin, The Aristocats....it goes on.

Sorry i meant Sterling Holloway

I loved Lambert the sheepish loin!

If anybody was straight, it was Sterling Hayden. Good red.

Good red?

Admitted to have been a communist.

Rock and George would have been scorching hot as a couple, too bad Nader already had a hubby

There's some new game show channel. They run old Match Game episodes. Here's Tab in 1978. Doesn't he look great? Everyone was still pretending he was straight, even Charles.

^ Tab would have been pushing 50 at the time but still looked good!

Since this thread is about to max out, I'll start a part 3

Part 3