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Yuzuru Hanyu and other figure skating talk part 11

New thread and as always we can chat here about anything related to figure skating.

by Anonymousreply 602October 27, 2018 1:20 AM

Let's keep this thread klassy, guys. Cut or uncut?

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by Anonymousreply 1October 19, 2018 7:12 PM

From last thread, lmao I was called an obsessive nut because I compared Med's shape to Hanyu's and don't think she's that much thicker compared to him. It was just my bad for seriously thinking about something related to a troll post.

As much as this thread can't chill with the Hanyu worship, there are some here that have an obsessive hate boner for Med for just existing in her body and wearing clothes.

by Anonymousreply 2October 19, 2018 7:45 PM

Skate America could have at least put pairs in their early afternoon in order to have it at a decent time in Europe

I understand putting Men in their primetime. But it's not Pairs draw lots of audience in America

by Anonymousreply 3October 19, 2018 7:52 PM

R2 Obsessive hate ? Really ? Don't ever think she got such a "special treat" like that. We hate people equally here.

by Anonymousreply 4October 19, 2018 8:00 PM

Uncut R1

by Anonymousreply 5October 19, 2018 8:01 PM

And how come theres 601 posts in the previous thread

by Anonymousreply 6October 19, 2018 8:02 PM

R1 What a cute little Hanyu

by Anonymousreply 7October 19, 2018 8:04 PM

R6 What do you mean, like why didn't it end at 600? Some threads are like that - they extend a few posts beyond the 600. Muriel works in mysterious ways.

by Anonymousreply 8October 19, 2018 8:04 PM

Plushenko about Yuzu in the Continues special book. He is a man of taste for appreciating Yuzu's softness and wanting him to do the Black Swan. I thank him for voicing this because him saying this means it might very well happen seeing how he is basically God for Yuzu. And for those saying Yuzu has no interest in speaking English or living abroad, this is from the same book as the quote from Plushenko, so from this year: "In order to be able to go anywhere in the world and not just in Japan, I must practice English more, and I also want to study Russian a little. Also because I want to converse with Plu-san".

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by Anonymousreply 9October 19, 2018 8:24 PM

Oh that one's delicious! Muchas gracias R1 (I'm thanking you for myself and Javi). Love the panty line! Yes, of course, that's where my eyes were drawn - oh, and the broad shoulders.

by Anonymousreply 10October 19, 2018 9:28 PM

I'm so intrigued by this group photo of the TCC crew. First, I'm surprised Yuzu played along. Second, if that's Jun on the other side of Jason from Yuzu, he's even taller than he was before I think - almost up to Conrad Orzel who I believe is 6' and still as gorgeous as ever. But stop growing Jun - you'll fuck up your jumps!

Anyway, nice to see everyone playing nice, like one happy family. Wonder if this is for Eteri's sake? I still don't get it - the Russian flag and all. We know you're Russian, dear - did they all take turns and do group selfies behind the flag of their countries? It just seems goofy. And there's grinnin' Brian, right behind Med, but where are Tracy, Ghislain, any other coaches? (she has a track suit on in this photo, in case anyone's wondering what she's up to, clothes wise.)

No Gabby. Will there ever be a Gabby in the picture anymore?

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by Anonymousreply 11October 19, 2018 10:00 PM

R1 given the very low circumcision rate in Japan, I'd go with uncut.

by Anonymousreply 12October 19, 2018 10:21 PM

R11 I found the Russian flag ridiculous. Med got so much shit from Russians for saying Canada was like her home that she had to bring Russian flag by her side in case there is someone asking to take a photo with her, she can to express her love for motherland, just a way to comfort aggressive Russians. Anyway, can't blame anyone other than her. As a Russian, she should have been aware of extreme nationalism in Russia. How they can manage not to feel betrayed and offended when their skater not only left Russia to train in a foreign country and but also constantly gushed over that country and implied she was much freer and happier than before, which was no different from indirectly criticizing their system. She should have watched her mouth.

Yuzuru is smart to say Canada is just his training base. Japan is also a nationalistic country. Imagine how Japanese ( especially antis) whetted his ass off had he said something like what Med had said.

by Anonymousreply 13October 19, 2018 10:51 PM

Let the GP start for fuck's sake, I can't take anymore creepiness like in the last thread. I never thought I'd consider Vincent Zhou the saviour of my sanity.

r13 If she's doing damage control, posing with a flag is a pretty good idea. Shit like that works on people to a degree. I bet you more people will have seen that stupid insta photo than read interviews where she praised Canada. Not that I blame her, I'd fuck off to Canada too if I got opportunity.

by Anonymousreply 14October 19, 2018 11:06 PM

Speaking on Vincent, here are Jackie Wong's practice notes for him: 3A, 4Lz, 4F(ur,fall), 4F(fall), 4F, runthru (4Lz(ur?step), 4F(step), 3A), 4Lz3T, 4F(fall), 2F(2ft), 4F, 4Lz(fall), 4F, 2T, 4T, 4Lz3T, 4F(step), 4F

by Anonymousreply 15October 19, 2018 11:24 PM

I just realized something: Med, Tursy and Panenkova will all be at SCI. Potential for drama? Or Will Eteri send Sergei?

by Anonymousreply 16October 19, 2018 11:39 PM

Can you imagine - if Tursy beat Med? The whole skating world would crack up.

by Anonymousreply 17October 19, 2018 11:43 PM

R17 And wouldn't that be wonderful?

by Anonymousreply 18October 19, 2018 11:54 PM

So in honor of Jason, is Brian also going to pose with the group behind a giant American flag?

by Anonymousreply 19October 20, 2018 12:01 AM

Ok there's entirely too many people in that photo and I don't know half of them. Someone who cares to name them all, please?

by Anonymousreply 20October 20, 2018 12:05 AM

Careful with that frail brain of yours R14

by Anonymousreply 21October 20, 2018 12:07 AM

I think I know eight of them - nine if the one on the far right is Shingo. You probably know the ones I do.

by Anonymousreply 22October 20, 2018 12:08 AM

R20 R22 Some are tagged. Corey Circelli, Olivia McIsaac, Bruce Wads, Ekaterina Kurakova

by Anonymousreply 23October 20, 2018 12:18 AM

R20, you’ll probably have better luck at GS under that TCC bagged milk thread, some TCC enthusiasts there will have the answer for sure.

by Anonymousreply 24October 20, 2018 12:31 AM

R24 My apologies if I'm digging up a sensitive issue, but...why the fuck is there a bagged milk thread?

by Anonymousreply 25October 20, 2018 12:42 AM

R11 Maybe they were putting the flag up with the others, so they posed with it because TCC's never had a Russian before. Don't know why somebody would be carrying around a giant-ass Russian flag otherwise.

by Anonymousreply 26October 20, 2018 1:11 AM

Skam info and streaming

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by Anonymousreply 27October 20, 2018 2:26 AM

R9. I believe Hanyu will be living in other places besides Japan. If he decides to become a coach I think he will want to help so many. Who knows. Maybe he would get a chance at coaching in another country. So many possibilities for him.

by Anonymousreply 28October 20, 2018 3:24 AM

Wasn't pairs short supposed to be before men's short? I don't see it on NBC sports gold

by Anonymousreply 29October 20, 2018 4:22 AM

R29 Yes, it was.

by Anonymousreply 30October 20, 2018 4:24 AM

R29 Don't worry; you didn't miss anything.

by Anonymousreply 31October 20, 2018 4:26 AM

Ok. Thx. I was looking in the wrong section. I see it now

by Anonymousreply 32October 20, 2018 4:26 AM

The Russian fan stream of Eurosport through SYWTWFS is working well.

TSL is reporting that Kori Ade left Skate 7k for Tennessee, but Ade posted on IG with a 7k tag three hours before their report?

by Anonymousreply 33October 20, 2018 4:47 AM

Is Kori going to work for Scott Hamilton?

by Anonymousreply 34October 20, 2018 4:50 AM

My god all these costumes are making me weep and cry. Nguyen is wearing a cardigan. He's currently in 6th.

by Anonymousreply 35October 20, 2018 5:00 AM

I liked the guy from Malaysia the best (so far).

by Anonymousreply 36October 20, 2018 5:04 AM

I'm digging Brezina, he's hot.

by Anonymousreply 37October 20, 2018 5:07 AM

Vincent Zhou coming through with the best costume so far, which sadly couldn't save his under rotated jumps.

by Anonymousreply 38October 20, 2018 5:12 AM

Beautiful skate from Matteo. Quadless but beautiful.

R38 Weir disagreed with the UR calls on Vincent's jumps.

by Anonymousreply 39October 20, 2018 5:13 AM

90.58 for Nathan. First place currently.

by Anonymousreply 40October 20, 2018 5:22 AM

PCS 44.64 for Nathan. I dislike this program. The first few seconds make it seem potentially interesting and then the rest of it is just try hard arm waving and pantomimed enthusiasm. This program would have worked well for someone more limber who could actually dance.

by Anonymousreply 41October 20, 2018 5:40 AM

Well, I just watched the mens short and I realize I know NOTHING about scoring whatsoever because I thought Zhou was good. And I wish all the men would wear pants as tight as Voronov's! I was so happy to see Yee do well -- and I liked Nathan's whimsy. He seemed a bit overscored - I think one of his landings really really sucked - the 4F, but I guess there will always be overscoring and he didn't fall. Very weird little pose at the end where he's pointing downward towards his body with an impish grin - and did he slick down his hair or cut it? Something looked different. Anyway, Raf looked happy - so did Nate. Only big surprise was Zhou (and Reynolds did really bad, last place by 8 or 10 points or something.)

by Anonymousreply 42October 20, 2018 5:40 AM

Here's Nathan's SP

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by Anonymousreply 43October 20, 2018 5:40 AM

Vincent's SP

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by Anonymousreply 44October 20, 2018 5:43 AM

Judges scores are up. Chen's FSSp4 -1-+3, CCoSp4 +1-5. Breznia CCoSp4 0-+4.

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by Anonymousreply 45October 20, 2018 5:49 AM

Julian beat Nate's TES. I hate to say this, but they were too tough on Vincent. Shoma's gotten away with far more obvious URs.

by Anonymousreply 46October 20, 2018 5:50 AM

R45 Seriously those scores. Do we know who judge 1 is? I don't know why I waste my time on this sport sometimes.

by Anonymousreply 47October 20, 2018 5:52 AM

So nice of Nathan to accept the audience's gifts. That program was crazy. I dont know, his whole person looked crazy, kind of unkempt.

by Anonymousreply 48October 20, 2018 5:53 AM

R47 Patty Klein from Canada. Need Judge Czar's analysis.

by Anonymousreply 49October 20, 2018 5:57 AM

R48 by "crazy" do you mean unhinged? Because that's a good way to describe it. People seem to like this program, but I thought Nate looked like a mental patient trying to dance his way out of the ward.

by Anonymousreply 50October 20, 2018 6:01 AM

R50 Glad I'm not the only one who thought Nate looked crazed.

by Anonymousreply 51October 20, 2018 6:06 AM

R50 I felt the same way and thought he was close to tripping over with the frantic skating.

Chen's SP performance for Carnival on Ice. He was much smoother here.

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by Anonymousreply 52October 20, 2018 6:06 AM

Definitely agree R50. Zhou was much more beautiful to watch. Also, it was bad hair and bad skin day for Nathan.

by Anonymousreply 53October 20, 2018 6:09 AM

[R41] [quote] PCS 44.64 for Nathan. I dislike this program. The first few seconds make it seem potentially interesting and then the rest of it is just try hard arm waving and pantomimed enthusiasm. This program would have worked well for someone more limber who could actually dance.

Nathan's program is currently a mess. He doesn't have the charisma or personality or dance skills to carry off the choreo. And his shirt, vest and hair were also a mess. It's like a 3 year old hacked away at the front of his hair,and that vest made his posture look worse than usual.

by Anonymousreply 54October 20, 2018 6:13 AM

With all these UR calls, I am amused to see what will happen to poor Satoko tomorrow.

by Anonymousreply 55October 20, 2018 6:14 AM

R54 You're totally right. I'm slow, so it just occurred to me that Nathan lacks charisma.

by Anonymousreply 56October 20, 2018 6:16 AM

World Team Trophy info is out. April 11 - 14 at Fukuoka Convention Center. Apparently the contact numbers are incorrect.

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by Anonymousreply 57October 20, 2018 6:40 AM

The Technical Panel was busy

Chen's 4F called UR and with unclear edge

Yee's 3F unclear edge

Rizzo's 3F wrong edge

Zhou: 4Lz UR, 4F UR and unclear edge, 3A UR

Ma's 3F unclear edge

Ponsart's 3Lz UR

Nguyen's 3 Lz unclear edge

Reynolds: 4S UR, 4T downgraded, 3A downgraded

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Judge 9 will be for sure at Worlds. Georgia has been drawn and she is their only judge

Judge 1 (the Canadian lady) managed to give 0 GOE to Rizzo's jump with wrong edge called. Wrong edge is -3 or -4 deduction. But starting GOE when a serious error (and wrong edge is listed among serious errors) should be +2. So he should have not got anything not negative out of it.

by Anonymousreply 58October 20, 2018 8:19 AM

Also in Pairs lots of URs called. Only the 2 German pairs got saved. They had a different Tech panel than Men

by Anonymousreply 59October 20, 2018 8:22 AM

Vincent has spoken in Instagram

Things happen that are out of my control all the time, and nothing exemplifies that more clearly than today. But I am proud of how I skated, and I truly enjoyed every second of my performance. And as always, today is the first day of the rest of my life. Good night everyone!

by Anonymousreply 60October 20, 2018 8:26 AM

I don't like Vincent but I guess you need to be called Shoma not to get UR calls.

by Anonymousreply 61October 20, 2018 9:11 AM

R61 You also need to be called Shoma to get a 4F with no unclear calls and positive GOE.

by Anonymousreply 62October 20, 2018 9:19 AM

You just wait. One day Yuzu is going to take over the ISU.

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by Anonymousreply 63October 20, 2018 9:24 AM

[quote] One day Yuzu is going to take over the ISU.

in his dreams, maybe

by Anonymousreply 64October 20, 2018 9:25 AM

R64 Well, his dreams tend to become reality so I would prepare my retirement if I were you grandpa.

by Anonymousreply 65October 20, 2018 9:30 AM

It's October 20th and Javi is still not back to Toronto so I guess his laziness won over and he will not go over there to train before the start of ROI. Kiss your European champion title goodbye, Javi.

by Anonymousreply 66October 20, 2018 9:35 AM

Zhou's coach has not taken it well ‏

@CoachTomZi @CoachTomZ Watch the video and notice the grade of execution from the judges using their naked eye is all in the positives for 54 technical points but then the technical panel using sub par video quality in terms of frames per second and only one camera angle reduces that to 39 points.

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by Anonymousreply 67October 20, 2018 9:56 AM

Zhou and his team needs to get off their high horse. If his jumps were actually of good quality and rotated, fine, but then throwing a fit for his subpar quads are just embarrassing. I get it, someone gets off scott free, but not everyone is going to be a Satoko or Shoma.

by Anonymousreply 68October 20, 2018 10:56 AM

R66, he doesn't care, he already has six. And an olympic medal. He probably thinks he's done enough in terms of a sport where people mainly think of him as yuzuru hanyu's rinkmate. As for what happened to Zhou, I think it was ridiculous. It makes me feel sorry for the mess this GP will be.

by Anonymousreply 69October 20, 2018 10:59 AM

Yes, R68, that is actually a big problem. It is a problem with the system if judges/tech panels cant consistently identify UR Jumps. Or they can, and they're playing favorites, which is just as bad if not worse. As I understand, some underrotation is technically allowed, or at least it used to be, I dont know if that changed with these new rules. If it did, then no one told Zhou's coaches...

by Anonymousreply 70October 20, 2018 11:07 AM

R70 the change is only that UR is now a quarter short rather than more than a quarter short.

Tom Zwhatever it is spelled is also Nagasu's coach, another one with many UR problems. I suspect some Tech Specialistis look carefully at them

by Anonymousreply 71October 20, 2018 11:20 AM

Carolina Kostner has pulled out of her two Grand Prix events due to hip pain (Finland and France).

by Anonymousreply 72October 20, 2018 11:44 AM

Johnny Weir said that Vincent's jumps were not UR but that he has a "lazy foot" which can sometimes make it appear that they are. Don't understand exactly what that means but it sounds to me like Tom Z should call out the technical panel about this. Weir doesn't seem to have a problem calling out URs when they do occur so I don't think he was cutting Vincent any slack.

by Anonymousreply 73October 20, 2018 12:34 PM

R58 where is the communication about the starting goe and list of serious errors?

by Anonymousreply 74October 20, 2018 12:48 PM

I'm sorry about Zhou but I feel this season his going to be hard for every skater, including Uno, including Hanyu. Seems they ain't forgiving nothing.

by Anonymousreply 75October 20, 2018 12:58 PM

R58 Here. Starting from page 15 there is the list of deductions to be applied to starting GOE (positive bullets). Then at page 17 there is the note about starting GOE in presence of a serious error

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by Anonymousreply 76October 20, 2018 1:06 PM

In other comments, I can't get over how bad everyone looked. At exception of Zhou, and somewhat Matteo, everyone was looking decidedly un-fabolous with their non-costumes. I take even more offense Nathan winning with the short program with his crazy dancing AND sloppy appearance.

by Anonymousreply 77October 20, 2018 1:18 PM

R75 It has been quite forgiving for Shoma so far and will continue to be so. The boner the judges have for this guy and his ugly jumps and two-footed skating is ridiculous. At least with Nathan when it happens it's just plain old good American nationalism at play but with Shoma it's like some fancy club of uncles and fraus with dubious taste keep pushing him and it's getting seriously annoying.

by Anonymousreply 78October 20, 2018 1:23 PM

I just watched Nathan Chen's skate, and it was AWESOME. Damn but he rocked it! Good job! Boy was I surprised! I'm that person who wasn't excited at all for SA by the way.

by Anonymousreply 79October 20, 2018 1:27 PM

I seriously feel bad for Vincent and I am not a Vincent fan. I enjoyed his performance more than Nathan's. The look on Vincent's face when he got his scores is probably how my face looked. It is clear to me anyway that judges are playing favorites. If Hanyu wasn't still skating I would probably not be watching and it's because of the judging.

by Anonymousreply 80October 20, 2018 1:43 PM

I was interested during Nathan's skate too, when often I'm annoyed because, in the past, at least at times, it would be like he was only thinking of the quads - and even they weren't beautiful. (and the 4F wasn't good this time either). However, I like wacky Nathan. He can be so stern or rigid or even scared or depressed acting -- I can't think of the word -- but it pulls me out of some of his performances, so I'll go with this loony tunes stuff. And I'm one who hates "showman" crap, like Charlie Chaplin tributes and Sinatra/Elvis/Beatles mess - but somehow, this was performance art (maybe bad, but I don't care - usually he bores me to death, so I'll take it.)

BTW, I read this at GS: On the CBC broadcast PJ Kwong mentioned that Shae recently visited Nathan at Yale. So this is hers? Or maybe she just did his free skate. Interesting that he's turned to Yuzu's fave but I guess she's at the top of the world, when it comes to choreographers people seek out, so maybe no connection.

I did enjoy Vincent's performance, more I guess, I don't know - I was kept interested during both. I feel sorry for him. Jackie Wong tweeted that his 4F looked good. Johnny Weir said he had a kind of lazy foot that tech specialists misread and sometimes they think he's UR'd when he hasn't. I do agree the judges were way too generous with Nathan. I guess they just feel they have to have pets to promote as "stars" - so come hell or high water, they're gonna overscore them to unearned wins. It is what it is.

by Anonymousreply 81October 20, 2018 1:51 PM

R81 Chen's SP is indeed Shae Lynn. FS is by Samuel Chouinard and Marie-France Dubreuil

by Anonymousreply 82October 20, 2018 1:55 PM

When was the last time the tech panel went hard at a competition on MEN? I'm glad for it. Now if only it'd be more consistent. Fortunately, Shoma is next week at Skate Canada so we'll find out quickly in this GP series.

by Anonymousreply 83October 20, 2018 2:07 PM

R80 I feel exactly as you do. I was so disgusted last night that I closed my laptop just as Nathan was finishing his performance and went to bed. At this point I'm only watching this joke of a sport because Hanyu decided not to retire.

by Anonymousreply 84October 20, 2018 2:11 PM

No comments about Nathan Chen's horrible and slow spins?

by Anonymousreply 85October 20, 2018 2:30 PM

R85 yes, we can comment on how out of axis the foot change in the camel spin

by Anonymousreply 86October 20, 2018 2:35 PM

I enjoyed Nathan's short. Many complained about his "busy " arm choreo but let's be fair, at ACI Yuzuru's arm movements looked distracting too and it was even worse because besides that, he had a stoop when skating ( which used to be one of his "trademarks" before changing coach and lasted until 2013-2014 season). I said that as a fan of him. Why did no one complain about that ?

by Anonymousreply 87October 20, 2018 2:41 PM

I was actually looking forward to see Carolina in Finland. She can be a mess when not landing her jumps but she can also be really really great. Too bad.

by Anonymousreply 88October 20, 2018 2:56 PM

Brendan Kerry win Halloween Cup in Budapest.

Score 204.22

Graham Newberry (Great Britain) is second with 178.24

Alexander Maszljanko (Hungary) is third with 168.25

Men SP in Minsk is at 20.30 local time

by Anonymousreply 89October 20, 2018 3:11 PM

Pretty sure someone did R87

by Anonymousreply 90October 20, 2018 3:21 PM

Someone, give that boy a hug or a boyfriend or both already.

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by Anonymousreply 91October 20, 2018 3:26 PM

R91 That has to be one of the funniest Hanyu photos I've ever seen.

by Anonymousreply 92October 20, 2018 3:33 PM

R87, because some people apparently can't be fans of one person without overlooking their mistakes and dissing on everyone else in his immediate vicinity, male or female, if for different reasons. As the season progresses, I imagine this will only get worse.

by Anonymousreply 93October 20, 2018 3:34 PM

Everybody hates Nathan's program? I thought it was the best of the lot. Choreo that is more than your run-of-mill twists and turns, and he sold it. Zhou was pretty enjoable to watch too, but holy shit is Nathan the chosen one or what. Jimmy Ma was an odd experience, I though he was sloppy but at the same time enjoyable to watch.

Yee needs to do something about telegraphing jumps and about the costume but otherwise, nice to watch.

Voronov'a program is fine overall, but the fucking training shirt that pretends to be a costume just clashes with the music.

Ponsart is the hottest of the whole set, that's all I remember.

Kvitelashvili was boring in places and overinterpreted in others. Kinda like Misha Ge used to overinterpret. Another costume that clashed with the music.

I liked Bychenko, sue me. Everybody should skate to Requiem for a Dream once, like Carmen.

Rizzo was better than last year, and he's got a great ass, beautifully displayed.

Brezina is underscored on PCS. Out of the whole group hiscskating looks the tightest, although his Quasimodo entry to the 4S ruins the impression a bit. Points for using the original version of Who Wants to Live Forever, and not some stupid muzak cover.

Reynolds won't be Canada's #2 I guess but I like his program. He always has programs that make his empty skating look acceptable. And he knows the meaning of "costume" even if his interpretation is a bit on the wtf side.

by Anonymousreply 94October 20, 2018 3:45 PM

Chen's program is well choreographed. It masks well his weakness (foot work) and highlights his strenght (arms movements). It's better than what some choreographer can deliver nowadays

Brezina's skating skills should be higher, closer to Chen. Probably higher but that won't never happen.

by Anonymousreply 95October 20, 2018 3:51 PM

Who knows going to college far away from mama Chen's grasp was maybe what Nathan needed to let go a bit. I wish him well. I may not like his overscoring but I genuinely like the guy. He seems to be a good kid.

by Anonymousreply 96October 20, 2018 3:52 PM

To me, Zhou's 4F looked ok, but the 4Lz and 3A were both suspect and I have no argument with them getting carrots. I think Johnny and Tara were saying similar things. They pretty much were only defending the 4F.

It's been true for years now that if a skater develops a reputation for under-rotation, they get 0 benefit of any doubt, ever. I'd feel worse for Zhou if this hadn't already been established with Nagasu. It's been a bogus system forever; I've become somewhat numb to it. PCS is a sham too. Carolina Kostner would get 9s if she went out their and wiped her butt on the ice.

by Anonymousreply 97October 20, 2018 4:22 PM

R94 Actually, most comments I've seen about Nathan's SP have been positive. I happen to dislike it because he couldn't sell it. He made it look weird, frantic and sloppy where it should have been whimsical and energetic. I agree that if you dissociate the performance from the choreography, the choreography was very good.

R93 I might agree with you if you weren't talking about Nathan. Hanyu and Nathan bring very different things to the sport and have very different styles. A person could like one and not the other without any agenda.

I don't mind the tough UR calls as long as the judges are consistent. Vincent's team is not handling this well and inviting further scrutiny into his jumps. I thought the calls were tough at first, but as R97 pointed out, once I rewatched, it was only the call on the 4F that seemed unfair.

Did Cizeron choreograph Ponsart's short? I recall he was choreographed at least one of his programs.

by Anonymousreply 98October 20, 2018 4:40 PM

[R94] Nathan's SP choreo is very good, but it was not executed well. He skates in a heavy manner and this choreo requires someone who is light on their feet. Thus, it looked sloppy.

by Anonymousreply 99October 20, 2018 4:42 PM

For comparison, Scott Davis was the specialist for last year's Skate Canada and Ikuko Ishikawa was the assistant for 2017 Japan nationals.

by Anonymousreply 100October 20, 2018 4:51 PM

Deniss is skating in Ice Star Minsk today. Maybe all the baking PR has lured me in, but I'm curious to see his short. R100 Thanks, I'm off to look.

by Anonymousreply 101October 20, 2018 4:52 PM

The hottest of the Skate America guys, for me, is Sergei Voronov. Handsome sexy face and body. Skating was pretty good, for this lot, and for 31 - certainly way outskated Kevin Reynolds, 28, and Bychenko, 30. Poor Kevin - I don't know if a stylist could really fix him but his hair is so damned fluffy - surely making it shorter couldn't hurt. Matteo is cute but sort of juvenile or nerdy or something - just not sexy to me.

Actually, I think Bychenko is appealing - he looks smart, wry, witty, but anyway, I'll have to watch the free and try to form better opinions of the skating - they kind of all run together and I'm new following this, so I'm just learning who these people are. Ponsart looks ok but his jaw is so wide - he's just not my type. (is he one of Raf's? and wasn't there one more from that crew? Brezina? I can't remember his skate or Kvitelashvili (sp?)

Anyhow, ladies tonight - the men were sure a surprise - wonder if the women will be. Bradie vs the Japanese threesome and some nobodies? (though I liked Loena the last time I saw her, in one of the challengers I think.)

by Anonymousreply 102October 20, 2018 4:59 PM

Chen's PCS was also higher than at Worlds. Worlds was 44.43, yesterday was 44.64. Brezina and Yee don't really stand a chance but that was to be expected.

by Anonymousreply 103October 20, 2018 5:00 PM

R100 At 2017 Nationals, the other Specialist along with Ishikawa was Shin Amano

by Anonymousreply 104October 20, 2018 5:05 PM

The Technical Controller yesterday (if the specialist are split, the controller decides) was Lisa Jensen from Norway.

In 2012 she was suspended as Referee for one year.

The reason....well....

She was the Referee in the Novice SP at Challenge Cup (something held in the Netherlands). And one of the judges was her sister Hege Jensen.

The ISU Disciplinary Commission claimed it is conflict of interest situation if two family members serve on the same panel

I mean, it's not exactly a secret they are sisters. So ISU and organizers should have known before the event and re-arrenged the panels. And anyway, it is not that ISU biggest problem is a Novice competition in the Netherlands....

by Anonymousreply 105October 20, 2018 5:12 PM

R97, Johnny and Tara also said about his 4Lz that they didn't think it was UR

by Anonymousreply 106October 20, 2018 5:29 PM

[R97] Johnny and Tara are not part of the tech panel. And they are idiots who are too busy talking about themselves to pay attention to what's happening on the ice.

by Anonymousreply 107October 20, 2018 5:37 PM

Hmm? They're professionals, they should know whether a jump is UR not. I'm inclined to trust them. Also, they don't have the bias the tech panel obviously has.

by Anonymousreply 108October 20, 2018 5:42 PM

R107 Weir is not an idiot. You might be one though.

by Anonymousreply 109October 20, 2018 5:53 PM

R100 At Skate Canada last year in the FS, Shoma got a UR call, Jason Brown got two UR calls and one edge call, Cha's protocols looked like rabbit heaven, with 3 UR calls and 1 downgrade. Have we found our Shin Amano of men's tech specialists?

by Anonymousreply 110October 20, 2018 5:53 PM

The thing about Tech Panels is that we don't know if they all agree or if the decision is made 2 to 1.

And how Shin can always convince everybody to call URs

They are recorded though. ISU have all the registrations of Tech Panel conversations.

by Anonymousreply 111October 20, 2018 5:56 PM

I also don't think Johnny is an idiot. I do not care for Tara but I do enjoy listening to Johnny during these competitions.

by Anonymousreply 112October 20, 2018 6:07 PM

Didn't Weir also call Med's flutz a beautiful (textbook?) lutz once too?

Worlds was so forgettable that I keep on forgetting Nathan's PCS boost is here to stay as the World Champion.

by Anonymousreply 113October 20, 2018 6:08 PM

I'm a little mystified by the promotion for ROI. Aside from what was reported in the papers, I don't see any mention of Yuna in the official ROI website or SNS accounts. Shouldn't they be advertising her appearance a little more enthusiastically if ticket sales are sluggish?

by Anonymousreply 114October 20, 2018 6:15 PM

r105 Not even a warning for something that wasn't really her fault. Was her sister also punished?

Last year's nationals with Amano as specialist and Ishikawa as assistant:

SP: www. jsfresults. com/National/2017-2018/fs_j/nationalsenior/data0103.pdfN

FS: www. jsfresults. com/National/2017-2018/fs_j/nationalsenior/data0105.pdf

For fun, Ishikawa was the specialist for Novice A's at Kinki Regionals. I've only seen video of Sara Honda's performance and the boy who was fourth (Shohei Sadayama), so there's not much to compare the scores to:

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by Anonymousreply 115October 20, 2018 6:21 PM

R115 Her sister was publicly reprimanded.

The 1 year suspension was only as referee but not as judge. Apparently as the Referee should oversee the panel, she can't oversee her sister without conflict of interest. She should have recused herself

by Anonymousreply 116October 20, 2018 6:38 PM

Deniss VASILJEVS 74.52 in Minsk

One group still to skate. Slavik HAYRAPETYAN is second so far with 67.75. HAYRAPETYAN's TES is higher than Deniss'

Alexia Pagaini (157 points) has won the Ladies competition at Halloween Cup. Ostlund (151) and Toth (144) follow.

by Anonymousreply 117October 20, 2018 6:41 PM

Kevin Reynolds stole my look.

by Anonymousreply 118October 20, 2018 6:58 PM

Met Voronov at a competition once, he was very polite, charming, and humble. Nice contrast to Charlie White who was kinda desperate for attention.

by Anonymousreply 119October 20, 2018 7:14 PM

Ihor REZNICHENKO wins the SP in Minsk with 76.49

Vasjlievs got 3A and 3T of the combo called UR. And it was a 2+3 combo

Vladimir LITVINTSEV from Azerbaijan is third with 72 points. Let me guess...he is Russian? Yes, he is

by Anonymousreply 120October 20, 2018 8:10 PM

R11 That’s not Hanyu.

R25 some of the Canadians on GS seem to think bagged milk is something specific to Canada. When Evgenia came to TCC they started talking about all the Canadian delicacies she can try

R76 Thx. Fuckity fuck!!! Looks like I’ve been using an old version of this the whole time. I completely disagree with the +2 start value - it goes against the principles of the system. I’m guessing they want to simplify it for real time scoring to try to stabilize the scoring. OTOH, when I went back over my scores, it actually didn’t change any of them so, after bullets are tallied, it seems that most of the time the starting GOE doesn’t start higher than +2 anyway for things like step outs and falls. However, a wrong edge isn’t something that affects the other aspects of the jump the way the other mistakes do so I don’t think it should be included.

R1 Now to ponder the important questions of the sport. What is the purpose of a dance belt that shows VPL on both the front…

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by Anonymousreply 121October 20, 2018 8:34 PM

… and the back

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by Anonymousreply 122October 20, 2018 8:35 PM

Weir is capable of being a very intelligent commentator when he works alone. Just ditch Tara.

by Anonymousreply 123October 20, 2018 8:52 PM

I'm convinced the NBC producers have told Tara to talk nonstop and bring up her time as a skater as much as possible.. Same with Terry Gannon. Gannon never used to be such a vapid chatterbox but now he never shuts up. Weir talks much less and, when he does, usually makes good comments.

by Anonymousreply 124October 20, 2018 8:56 PM

The LGC costume is hideous but his everything looks great in it.

by Anonymousreply 125October 20, 2018 9:03 PM

So Aljona is no longer coaching the Knierims? What happened?

by Anonymousreply 126October 20, 2018 9:22 PM

This will never stop being deliciously awkward and funny.

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by Anonymousreply 127October 20, 2018 9:34 PM

R126 yes, they already split! Knierim will go back to Chicago and find a new coach.

Tarasova/Morozov win Skate America by a mile

The other Russian pair with the guy basically wearing a red scarf attached to the shirt is second

Cain/Leduc are third

Knierims are 4th.

Hase/Seegert (5th) beat Hocke/Blommaert (7th) in the German internal battle. But with S/M out for this season both will go to Euros and Worlds

The US pair we barely remember the name is 6th with a solid performance for their standard

The Canadian team was far behind in the last place

by Anonymousreply 128October 20, 2018 9:40 PM

R127. LOL! I love it. Yuzuru enjoyed it. Glad he got a laugh from it all.

by Anonymousreply 129October 20, 2018 9:43 PM

So pairs were a splat fest. And R127 that moment gives me so much second hand embarrassment, I would be mortified if I were in Norman's position.

by Anonymousreply 130October 20, 2018 9:49 PM

Roman's*

by Anonymousreply 131October 20, 2018 9:50 PM

Not sure what to think of the Zhou situation. Even in real time, the landings were obviously under, but by less than the ¼. However, combined with the prerotation, they are easily over ¼ ur so the ur calls seem justified to me - but that’s understandably hard to take when other skaters don’t seem to get their pre-rotation taken into account for the calls. I kept replaying it trying to see wtf this “lazy foot” is supposed to be - the front of the blade is obviously hitting the ice and then the rest of the foot is turning the rest of the way after the blade hits which is what’s causing the huge spray of snow on the landing.

Someone on GS said that if there’s no weight on the blade it counts toward the rotation even if it’s still on the ice. Someone (maybe the same person) also said that you only need like 2.25 rotation in the air for it to count as a valid triple. However, I don’t see anything about either of these things in the technical caller handbook or the GOE guidelines

Rizzo’s flow, lines, and quality of elements is so beautiful. Not wild about the program but, to be fair, I kept thinking about how high and round his ass is the whole time I was watching so maybe I didn’t evaluate the program properly.

Voronov looked terrible. Everything was so sloppy.

I liked Ma. The program was fun and he seemed really into it.

I think Nathan is improving in his performance. He was easily the class of this field. Though that’s not saying much.

[bold] My TES Scores [/bold]

Chen: 42.33 (Judges 45.94) - Biggest differences in scoring are that judges gave him 4’s and 5’s for his axel, but I didn’t think the jump looked big so only gave a 3. I had overall lower scores for the step sequence and spins. To me, they alternated between moments of looking nice and sharp to sloppy

Zhou: 39.01 (Judges 39.52)

Voronov: 36.24 (Judges 39.32)

by Anonymousreply 132October 20, 2018 10:43 PM

the "also run" have finished

Nguyen 212.99

Kvitalashvili 205.12

Bychenko 197.47

Ponsart 187.92

Reynolds 185.63

Ma 185.06

by Anonymousreply 133October 20, 2018 10:58 PM

Ponsart had a lousy skate but a truly great costume.

by Anonymousreply 134October 20, 2018 11:00 PM

I want Hanyu to skate in a costume like Ponsart's. Too bad it's never happening, though.

by Anonymousreply 135October 20, 2018 11:02 PM

Is Cizeron dressing Ponsart too? 💯

by Anonymousreply 136October 20, 2018 11:04 PM

I came to comment about Ponsart's costume too. It's amazing, magnificent, spectacular.

by Anonymousreply 137October 20, 2018 11:06 PM

Elizaveta Tuktamysheva ‏ @TuktikLiza I know that some of this tweets are way too mean. I’m sor... wait, I don’t care! You’ve scored 115 on FS and still overplaced two competitors? Wow

Elizaveta Tuktamysheva ‏ @TuktikLiza Jimmy just have TURNED DOWN on ice FOR WHAT too many times

Elizaveta Tuktamysheva ‏ @TuktikLiza The second part of the Nguyen program was a parody for Nathan’s short program?

by Anonymousreply 138October 20, 2018 11:07 PM

Elizaveta Tuktamysheva ‏ @TuktikLiza Bychenko come to an ice rink from the restaurant where was bad hands waiter. It seems that this wine was pretty good according to how much jumps he have made

by Anonymousreply 139October 20, 2018 11:08 PM

The mess continues with Voronov who takes the lead with 226.44 overall

by Anonymousreply 140October 20, 2018 11:14 PM

Lol I guess Ponsart took his costume right out of Cizeron's closet.

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by Anonymousreply 141October 20, 2018 11:14 PM

R141 Ponsart's SP costume is also from Cizeron's wardrobe.

Cizeron did the choreos of the programs. I guess he also lended the costumes

by Anonymousreply 142October 20, 2018 11:21 PM

Zhou TES dropped from 90 on screen at the end of the performance to 72

He stays just behind Voronov

by Anonymousreply 143October 20, 2018 11:23 PM

tes for zhu -18 points lower in kiss and cry

by Anonymousreply 144October 20, 2018 11:23 PM

They kept him waiting in the K&C, sign of many reviews

by Anonymousreply 145October 20, 2018 11:25 PM

Rizzo in between Voronov and Zhou

All 3 in between 1 point

by Anonymousreply 146October 20, 2018 11:31 PM

Chen clean wins this by a mile.

by Anonymousreply 147October 20, 2018 11:35 PM

Were my ears playing around? Did Tara say Nathan chen is on the same level as Hanyu and Johnny Weir was silent? He never said anything. He's probably thinking nope!

by Anonymousreply 148October 20, 2018 11:40 PM

poor Yee. He started with a 1A+1T combo and a fall

by Anonymousreply 149October 20, 2018 11:41 PM

Nathan didn't die. Congrats!

by Anonymousreply 150October 20, 2018 11:44 PM

1) Chen

2) Brezina

3) Voronov

It is 2018/19 but we still have Brezina and Voronov

by Anonymousreply 151October 20, 2018 11:54 PM

last time Brezina was top 2 in a GP was in 2011

by Anonymousreply 152October 20, 2018 11:54 PM

Interesting podium, who would have predicted this.

by Anonymousreply 153October 20, 2018 11:58 PM

R121 - that is Hanyu. Someone took a small part of the photo, that Hanyu's in, and enlarged it on Instastory -- you start with the guy on the far right - then next to him, moving left, are two girls (back row), and the next person after those girls is Hanyu. Then Jason Brown, a blurry Junhwan Cha (that you can see better in the enlargement).

But thank you thank you for panty line Hanyu !! gotta give the imagination something to work with and Hanyu is so stingy about these things!! No Instagramming WTF! What kind of halfassed narcissist (copyright Miki Ando – of all pot/kettle people) are you anyway?!?!? Well halfassed does NOT really apply so scratch that… (if only)

I do love a good derrière shot, God knows, but with the front you get a cornucopia of riches, including his precious face - which needs a haircut almost as much as Chen, who is NOT in Hanyu's league lol. I guess you could say he has a better quad flip? Oh well, they're gonna prop little Nate, and I just saw a brief video of him around Japan Open time and he said, "Hanyu and, of course, Shoma are always gonna be the best skaters..." (I wish there was more of the clip to see where that came from, but I saw him say it. I love it when he pays The King his due.)

And please don't get upset anti's. I love to exaggerate and parody just a twinge. I also like Nathan - he seems more humble than most, in his position in life, and I admire his dedication to being a doctor or whatever. But whoever upthread said he was a heavy skater doing a light program - well put! Maybe he'll grow into it - it seems like he's trying hard to play to the audience and stop being so dour.

by Anonymousreply 154October 21, 2018 12:03 AM

4 Under rotations and 2 unclear edges for Zhou

Chen 1 unclear edge

Brezina nothing called

4lz downgraded to Voronov

Rizzo: quad UR, 3A downgraded, one unclear edge

by Anonymousreply 155October 21, 2018 12:06 AM

So no UR calls on Nathan? Okaaay.

by Anonymousreply 156October 21, 2018 12:06 AM

Oh I forgot to repost the photo I'm talking about. And Jason's hand is on Yuzu's shoulder awww. He's like the friendliest little puppy that ever was.

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by Anonymousreply 157October 21, 2018 12:07 AM

R156. That's what I'm asking. I just want fairness. Is Nathan going to get no calls for the whole season? I am seriously finding myself cheering for Vincent because of the judges apparent bias.

by Anonymousreply 158October 21, 2018 12:11 AM

R158 Did Nathan deserve any calls? The whole debacle reads as though he should get calls just because.

by Anonymousreply 159October 21, 2018 12:15 AM

R159. Hmmm. Never said that but ok......

by Anonymousreply 160October 21, 2018 12:17 AM

I think Chen's 4F in his short (that he nearly fell on) got a UR call. But the scoring is so maddening.

I wonder if hunchy Med will still get high components. When I saw Katelyn at Worlds I couldn't believe how shocked I was to see a female skater with speed, power, and height - who wasn't humped over, doing tiny jumps with the ugliest tano in human history (bent elbow and like it's a panicked after thought.) I really can't stand her skating - sorry. Zags is ok - not Katelyn level but ok - Med, ugh. I would actually love to see Tursy beat her but the judges won't do it... Well, if the Russian fed is mad at her, maybe? Oh it would be so delicious.

Sadly, I think we're stuck with the hyperhype of Chen, like before the Olys, when on tv ads, he was the Messiah.

by Anonymousreply 161October 21, 2018 12:18 AM

Lmao at people who thought Nathan would flop this season and new rules would put him in disadvantage. He is the one who has the most choices. It depends on which strategy he chooses. He can easily skate clean with watered down layout like today. And if others do well, he can go out full force with 5 quads ( 4lo, 4F3T, 4Lz, 3A,4T,4T2T2lo, 3lz). Ofc, it's difficult but he's clearly capable of pulling off that layout ( and only him). Then, no one can make up the TES, not to mention his PCS has reached 91-93 range and who can ensure jugdes won't go vival and give him 94-95 PCS once he's clean? It means it's very likely that he will win as long as he skates clean. Yuzuru, Shoma can't close the gap on him relying on pcs anymore. The game depends on him now.

Watch out, Yuzuru, competition is where you go to compete, not to play around. It's 2018 you still jump -2T combo, 4T3A SEQ. Ditch that dumb layout if you want to win.

by Anonymousreply 162October 21, 2018 12:28 AM

r162 Hanyu would have to get rid of one of the 3As to jump a a non -2T combo or learn a -3Lo one. I suppose he's got different priorities now as far as learning jumps is concerned. The 3A seq is dumb though, I agree.

by Anonymousreply 163October 21, 2018 12:36 AM

R159 jumping to conclusions much? His 3a looked ur to me. Others have pointed out the 4lz. If they are going to be tough on other skaters, then be consistent.

by Anonymousreply 164October 21, 2018 12:39 AM

Hanyu should continue with what he wants to do. And tell the judges and isu fuck you. Might as well call this Nathan skating instead of figure skating since this a what the isu wants?

by Anonymousreply 165October 21, 2018 12:43 AM

You change system but everything else including people stays the same, as a result there would be playing favorites and selective rule appliance. I keep on repeating it to myself but sometimes it doesn't help and I am on the point of ditching to watch FS. But then there's Yuzuru and his talent and spectacular ass.. Hope dies last, I guess. Sorry for the little rant.

by Anonymousreply 166October 21, 2018 12:48 AM

r164 Within the 1/4 limit though.

by Anonymousreply 167October 21, 2018 12:51 AM

R163 He can jump 3F but he refused to add it to layout, jumped tricky solo 3S ( which he popped like thousand times when he still jumped it 5 years ago) instead. He also can try -2lo combo. With his current layout, he can't win over clean Shoma, let alone clean Nathan.

by Anonymousreply 168October 21, 2018 12:58 AM

*intended to do 3S

by Anonymousreply 169October 21, 2018 1:00 AM

I've missed the FS, but was Zhou's FS that bad? All but one jump has a call mark next to it on the judges scorecard. For Chen (SP), I think the judging for non-jump elements was more problematic. 5's for sloppy spins and footwork.

by Anonymousreply 170October 21, 2018 1:01 AM

Didn't they schedule the Olympics around American time zones? I wonder if there's an implicit understanding that an American star is so important to the future of the skating "business" that it's their duty to prop one, whenever remotely possible?

I'm not trying to drag Nathan - I cant judge skating at ALL - and nobody but him has all the quads except the 4A -- and now I can't remember where I saw it, probably here -- but somebody in an interview called Nathan the quad-axel king. (I guess if you don't follow skating but have to write about it, maybe that's what you come out with lol).

And R168 we'll see if Yuzuru can stand being clearly outdone on layout. I'm still suspicious that he's working around a dodgy ankle and if so, uh oh, if he's training the 4A a lot.

by Anonymousreply 171October 21, 2018 1:01 AM

R166. I'm only still watching for Hanyu. He may stay a couple more years and I wouldn't blame him. I am probably done with skating once he retires. If isu wants to kill figure skating then they are suceeding.

by Anonymousreply 172October 21, 2018 1:04 AM

I don't think Hanyu's ankle has healed completely R171. And I would never want to see him end up with a career ending injury because of these ridiculous isu rules. He should skate how he wants. His way.

by Anonymousreply 173October 21, 2018 1:08 AM

During the ice shows this summer, Yuzuru said the flip and lutz jumps were the worst in reference to rehab, and it was either painful or uncomfortable to try them - and I don't think he jumped them at the shows. And this was seven or eight months post NHK injury.

by Anonymousreply 174October 21, 2018 1:10 AM

R171 Not only he can jump 5 types of quad, he also can jump it consistently without major issues like Zhou ( UR ) or Shoma ( PR and wrong edge).

I hope Yuzuru realize it isn't all his to lose anymore. He needs to skate clean and Shoma, Nathan, even Kolyada to make mistakes to win. I don't think he's the type of people who just sit and wait others to make mistakes or expect a fairer judging. Anyway, don't leave it too late like Fernandez and Patrick Chan if he still wants to win.

R174 He jumped 3F in pratice at ACI. So he must have practiced it for a while.

by Anonymousreply 175October 21, 2018 1:22 AM

R174. I heard the same. I want him to land the 4A and then retire. It's looking like these rules are meant for one or two people. Hanyu has nothing to prove anymore. I hope he knows that.

by Anonymousreply 176October 21, 2018 1:29 AM

r168 Refresh my memory on when Hanyu jumped a solo 3S? He cerainly didn't do that at ACI, he only did a 4S (fall)

If Hanyu forgoes the dumb 3A seq then he has two jump sequences to fill with triples, I guess the 3F will make a comeback. If he ditches it, as I hope he will, he'll only have one jump pass for a triple - Lz, F, or Lo, which one it will be I'm guessing will depend on his condition.

His -3A combo might be his way of getting rid of the 2T combo. If done well, he could get him better GOEs than a 3A-2T or whatever-triple-3T combo. Very risky though, I hope he'll return to the - 2T option.

I don't get all the complaining. The programs were interesting, tech panel did its job, judges weren't outrageous for once, but oh no FS is not worthy watching anymore? And apparently, it's because Hanyu's in danger of not winning? Wtf is wrong with people.

Oh wait. I know what's wrong. In this thread only Hanyu's allowed to get a good score and if others get it, it's not worth watching anymore.

r170 Presentation-wise Zhou was fine. He's like Reynolds, all looks good on the surface, but underneath there's a mess.

by Anonymousreply 177October 21, 2018 1:30 AM

r176 Yes, and one of those people is Hanyu. If he had skated Chen's layout, even substituting 4Lz with a 4S, cleanly, he'd get more points.

by Anonymousreply 178October 21, 2018 1:37 AM

R116 Sorry I missed your post. Thank you. That makes more sense. She should have recused herself, but I can understand why she'd assume the ISU was fine with it and the selection was not an oversight since it was a novice competition and the sisters still use the same last name. But one year as a referee is not bad if she could still judge.

by Anonymousreply 179October 21, 2018 1:40 AM

R176 I want him to say fuck the 4A and retire from competitive skating before he does further damage to his body. He can create his own shows and focus on his artistry.

by Anonymousreply 180October 21, 2018 1:48 AM

I understand what you mean R180. I know the 4A is something he wants but I am not sure it's worth it. I feel it's a dangerous jump. After today's men's competition and saw the direction the isu and judges are going I'm not liking it for Hanyu. And no it's not because he might lose. That guy has been through so many injuries. I don't want to see more injuries.

by Anonymousreply 181October 21, 2018 1:58 AM

If I'm remembering correctly - and it was reported correctly - he's actually training or practicing the 4A right now. I think Dmitriev may also be?? And Messing did that 4A in harness in a video. I don't know if he cares - but the 4A would be catching up with Chen and actually going beyond, since the 4A is an extra half-revolution over the quad flip that I don't think Yuzu ever intends to work on. So even though he's had to drop the quad lutz, he did it, got credit for it, so he'd be a 5-quadster like Chen with the 4A.

OTOH, maybe he's not so competitive as that - he's loved the axel since he was a child and some coach/teacher (the Manoro guy or the one who coached his sister - oh I can't remember) - anyway the guy told Yuzu the axel was the king of all the jumps - well, somebody here knows the story better than I do, I'm sure :) Soooo, maybe it's been in one of those notebooks he plans out his life in, ever since he was a kid, and it doesn't have anything to do with Chen. I doubt Chen will manage consecutive Olympic golds, especially with his beyond-skating goals, so I think Yuzu shouldn't worry about him vs Chen in the record books (not saying he is - but who knows...)

by Anonymousreply 182October 21, 2018 3:16 AM

Here's a video of Dmitriev's attempt at a quad axel. But it's 3 years ago, and now I can't remember where I read that he was still working on it - maybe what I read was a referene to this past effort and he's not? In any case, he'll be at Rostelecom along with Yuzu - and I think he has another Russian competition before the Finland GP, so I guess there's a chance he could go for it. At 26, with nothing to lose, why not? Sorry for all this conjecture - I just find it kinda interesting, as the last frontier in quads.

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by Anonymousreply 183October 21, 2018 3:33 AM

I liked Kaori and Satoko's SPs. I don't understand why some of Satoko's jumps weren't called. At least one seem clearly UR to me, even more than Nathan's

For those of you quibbling about Nathan's jumps, here's one perspective, with pics. I think the point is, we wouldn't even be arguing this at all if some of the UR calls for Vincent weren't so questionable.

The skaters look scared shitless sitting there waiting for their TES to plummet a bajillion points b/c of tech calls.

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by Anonymousreply 184October 21, 2018 4:28 AM

Bradie has freakishly long arms.

by Anonymousreply 185October 21, 2018 4:34 AM

Nam got a UR call on his 1Eu. LOL.

by Anonymousreply 186October 21, 2018 4:37 AM

Holy Overreaction, Batman! You guys are aware that Hanyu did not skate well, right? Nathan skated mostly clean and that Hanyu made multiple mistakes? That PCS scores, justified or not, have a direct correlation to TES performance? You guys also know that Hanyu’s layout isn’t arranged to take the most advantage of the bonus either, right? Why would anyone who follows him draw any conclusions on how his season is going to go before the GPF. There’s a good chance he’ll even lose Finland. It’s no big deal. Nathan’s a little over scored but a clean Hanyu still beats a clean Nathan.

R163 with what we’ve heard of him doing so far, the layout with the 3a seq nets him the most base points, especially if he puts his combos in the 2nd half like he did at the Olympics. Though I think he would gain more in GOE if he had the axel separate

[bold] Potential Hanyu layouts (jumps not in order and no bonus points added) [/bold]

4lo, 4s, 3f, 3lo, 4t/3t, 4t/3a Seq, 3a/1eu/3s= 87.8 BV

4lo, 4s, 3f, 3lo, 4s/3t, 4t/3a Seq, 3a/1eu/3s= 88 BV

4lo, 4s, 3f, 4t/3t, 4t/1e/3s, 3a/2t, 3a = 87.7 BV

by Anonymousreply 187October 21, 2018 4:48 AM

[quote]Nam got a UR call on his 1Eu. LOL.

Oh good Lord. How is that even possible?

by Anonymousreply 188October 21, 2018 5:20 AM

Sigh, Muller/Dieck in 7th place after the short. Crossing my fingers that the cancer program will charm the socks off those judges and launch them into...not 10th.

by Anonymousreply 189October 21, 2018 6:11 AM

I don't care about the lutz and the flip but I love Yuzu's 4loop and I hope he will be able to bring it back fully this season. It's such a difficult jump to stabilize but when it's done well it's a thing of beauty.

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by Anonymousreply 190October 21, 2018 6:33 AM

4loop is my favorite jump by Yuzuru, even more so than the Axel. Very tricky and elegant jump truly, hopefully will be able to witness it more. Thanks for the link.

by Anonymousreply 191October 21, 2018 6:47 AM

Nathan didn't deserve the ridiculously high PCs in the free but seeing Shoma fans on Twitter complaining the most about this brings me some weird Schadenfreude. On another note, which idiot was it again who decided to shorten the men fs by 30sec but only removed one jumping pass.

by Anonymousreply 192October 21, 2018 8:01 AM

Kurt Browning boasting that he talked to Yuzu recently about the 4 axel and some private thing. Don't be a teasing asshole, Kurt. Be like the Twitter attention whore talking with Ghislain and spill all the beans.

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by Anonymousreply 193October 21, 2018 8:15 AM

It's funny when people have no idea anymore what is an UR jump and what not I mean, commentators, judges or 'expert' fans - they're like 'that was clean' - and tech panel is like 'surprise bitches UR'. And also 'oh that was definitely UR'. Tech panel: 'wrong again, it is clean!' Also, an euler called uR LMAO I'm here noming the popcorn, it's hilarious. This season is gonna be fun after all.

by Anonymousreply 194October 21, 2018 8:32 AM

Former tennis player and sexy sports announcer Shuzo Matsuoka talking about Yuzu in some tv program which aired today. Translation below from GS. I really like Matsuoka. He has been here for Yuzu for years and even cried when Yuzu put his Pyeongchang gold medal around his neck as thank you.

[quote]I might be the person who interviewed him the most in Japan, I've been listening to him since he was 16. He has unique sensitivity, very delicate even though he doesn't show it to the outside. He must be hurt very much, he has been hurt by many things deeply and deeply. But he doesn't show it while he values people looking at him. But if we talk about who is in charge of himself, Yuzuru Hanyu actually acts independently, which I think is the best thing for him and that means "an athlete". It's a sport after all, he is competing. Of course figure skating has aspect of artistry, but he says definitely, "This is a sport. I think this is interesting because we are clearly decided who is a winner or not." He was injured before PC Olympics, and I was thinking he would not participate in the Olympics. But in all that, he came to compete. He was doing image training like "if I would compete here, I would get the gold medal." When I saw him doing quad jumps in the practice, I was so overwhelmed. His mental strength, the ability to believe in himself, and his words, his words hit my heart during the interview. When I asked him, "What is this gold medal for?", he answered, "The gold medal that I had thrown away all my happiness to get". He threw away what he had wanted to do, such as eating habit, training, layout of the programs and so on. But when I asked him, "What did you grab from all of them?", he said "I grabbed happiness." His choice, or more like his sensitivity, must be leading to the power attracting people.

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by Anonymousreply 195October 21, 2018 8:40 AM

It is not the first time I see UR Euler

Amano/Ishikawa called a downgraded 1Lo to Shoma last last year's Nationals.

Giada Russo had one during the FS of Italian Nationals last season when she won the ticket to Olympic (which may underline how crap the rest of the field was).

by Anonymousreply 196October 21, 2018 9:00 AM

Dear everyone,

What a week it's been. In fact, what a month it's been. I've had more than my fair share of highs and lows, frustrations and successes. I feel like I've traversed the tallest peaks to the darkest depths in a short period of time, and it's not over yet. Skate America has been quite the learning experience, and I feel so much love and support from you guys, a truly amazing audience, which I sincerely thank you for. Obviously, some questionable things that were out of my control happened, but I have been working VERY hard on making my jumps clean. However, technical changes result in mental and physical adjustments that take time to manifest in consistent results. Regardless, I am proud of my performances and the improvement I've made--and I'll have you know I'm not even close to being satisfied. It's time to go back home and continue refining my skills and progressing towards the result I know I am capable of obtaining. This week has only been fuel on the fire.

See you soon.

-Vincent

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by Anonymousreply 197October 21, 2018 9:02 AM

Hideous haircut and acne aside, Nathan has matured so much. He looks really manly/masculine. No wonder the old fashioned judges love him so much.

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by Anonymousreply 198October 21, 2018 9:31 AM

But how does one underotate an euler? These are the dangers of simply going frame by frame to overide actual judges who can use their brains (or, admitedly, their bias).

by Anonymousreply 199October 21, 2018 10:16 AM

Johnny Weir and Tara Laspinski are an embarrassment as announcers.

by Anonymousreply 200October 21, 2018 10:23 AM

*Lipinski

by Anonymousreply 201October 21, 2018 10:32 AM

I saw the video that these stills were taken from, and I can't get over how handsome Shoma is - I think they're recent. A little more definition in his face, maybe a bit larger jaw - I don't know what it is but wowzer! (thanks for posting Nathan's pic R198 - scrolling down in that account is how I found the Shoma pictures.) I'll keep looking for the video again - he's really aged nicely from 20 to 21.

I'm torn about Nathan. I've always thought he looked ok but there's something a bit wan and scrawnier about him? I was thinking it was just the hair, and maybe that's part of it - but he looks so different. At this point, I guess I think he looks worse (beyond the skin condition.) Well, at 19, more changes to come, I'm sure. He doesn't seem to be getting any taller though but it's something to watch for. 5'5" is pretty short.

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by Anonymousreply 202October 21, 2018 11:12 AM

I'm trying to think of that second, private, thing that Yuzuru could have told Kurt - the only hint, he said it's something that makes him especially excited about this season. The only thing I can think of is that Yuzuru said it would be his last season? or IF he lands the quad axel, it will be his last? If that was it, it would explain why watching his competitions this season would be much more special.

I don't think Yuzuru would share anything super-personal - I mean, Kurt's already blabbing that Hanyu told him a secret ooh ooh ooh. But what the heck else could it be? He doesn't have time to be taking up choreographing or some new skating type endeavor - not in full-swing of the season. If it WERE something super secret, Kurt wouldn't be hinting either because it would be profound and carry more weight of privacy (like coming out, or some such.) Well, I hate a riddle, but that's all I got, at the moment.

by Anonymousreply 203October 21, 2018 11:24 AM

MINSK

1) Vasiljevs 228.63

2) Litvintsev 207.52

3) Hayrapetian 189.56

Denis landed the 4T. Considered fully rotated but with negative GOE by all judges (from -1 to -4). 3A+2T Combo with a some -1. Other jumps ok but not stellar (around +2)

by Anonymousreply 204October 21, 2018 11:26 AM

R203 Unless I misunderstood it's the quad axel Kurt is excited about. As for the private thing, I also doubt it's something personal as I don't think these 2 are close but Yuzu maybe shared some upcoming plan related to skating.

by Anonymousreply 205October 21, 2018 11:33 AM

Yes! He said he was excited about the 4A and thinking an attempt might be unveiled this season. But he said that Yuzuru told him TWO things and one of them (the other thing besides the 4A) was private, and what Yuzu told him had him especially excited for this particular season. Well, that's how I took it. Kurt can be very playful and uses poetic license and wordplay a lot, so he can be a bit inscrutable in a way. I always enjoy listening to him. His whimsical, impulsive way of spurting out funny/insightful things, that you aren't sure are literal or metaphorical, reminds me of Yuzuru, come to think of it. Wish I could get CBC :(

by Anonymousreply 206October 21, 2018 11:36 AM

Marin Honda's jumps were mehh. I agree her PCS should have been higher but her TES was correct. Both 3F and 3T were URed. 3Lo should have been called URed too.

by Anonymousreply 207October 21, 2018 11:42 AM

Has Ghislain fixed Satoko's jumps ?? Or were they just easy on her, maybe feeling the heat from all corners after calling the men's event so harshly?

by Anonymousreply 208October 21, 2018 11:56 AM

What was judge#1 (Canadian lady) looking at when Megan Wessemberg did the opening 3lz to give her a +2?

The Japanese judge (judge#2) got the JSF memo for national overscoring on Satoko. In some Components she is almost 0.9 higher than the panel average. She ignored the other Japanese ladies (her scores are close to the mean).

The American judge (judge#5) doesn't even try to hide it. A couple of 8s to Wessemberg and to Andrews. As a result, on Interpretation Andrews's score range from 6.50 to 8.25

Belgium didn't send a judge but the Korean lady (judge#3) stepped into the role.

by Anonymousreply 209October 21, 2018 12:23 PM

Starting order for Free Dance...

crucial moments to look for

Cancer dance is number 3

Disco dance is number 6 (first of second group)

by Anonymousreply 210October 21, 2018 12:28 PM

r187 It nets him the most points? The BV difference you provided, between the layout with a -2T combo and a -3A seq is 0.3 points. Zero point three. Big whooping woo. And risky as hell, and less likely to earn him positive GOE. Furthermore, the combo GOE are applied according to the most difficult jump. If he does a 4T-3A seq, he can't use two 3As as the more difficult jump of the combo to get higher base for GOEs. If he insists on doing a -3Aseq, it'd be more useful to attach the 3A to 3F or 3Lo so the 3A woulld be the base for GOEs. IF he can do those as well as his regular combos and get as high GOEs which, frankly, is doubtful.

r188 Underrotating an Euler is actually not uncommon. I suppose it happens when skaters do that stepout-looking thing just to change an edge instead of trasitioning smoothly.

by Anonymousreply 211October 21, 2018 12:45 PM

Maybe Hanyu told Kurt that he can't retire before he lands quad axel, gets his third OGM and skates as a black swan because those were what Plushenko wished he would do (wrote it in CiONTU messages book). Who knows what that truly might have been. ;)

by Anonymousreply 212October 21, 2018 12:53 PM

r190 r191 Although it will never hold the position of the backcounter-3A in my pants, Hanyu's 3F is magnificent. He's got fantastic transitions into it, I think they were best-displayed in his Phantom of the Opera and Seimei programs.

r184 Pics are meaningless. You need a video to determine whether a jump has been underrotated or not. To me Nathan's jumps looked borderline, but not over the border.

[quote]I feel like I've traversed the tallest peaks to the darkest depths in a short period of time, and it's not over yet.

r197 Let's face it, we'd be so much poorer without Vincent's wisdom.

r206 Or it's the reverse, he told Kurt he wants to go to Beijing.

Now off to catch up on ladies.

by Anonymousreply 213October 21, 2018 1:03 PM

R202 Compared to Nathan, Shoma is a knockout. What's going on with the greasy hair and ugly, unflattering costumes? Nathan is not remotely good looking enough to make that sort of thing look cool or hip. He seems like a genuinely nice guy but the camera does not love him the way it does someone like Shoma or even Jason Brown.

by Anonymousreply 214October 21, 2018 1:07 PM

R213 Or he lied that his ankle is completely healed.

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by Anonymousreply 215October 21, 2018 1:13 PM

Men Victory Ceremony

the winner is the leather jacket of the referee which is actually coordinated with the leather pants of the technical controller

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by Anonymousreply 216October 21, 2018 1:20 PM

As a possible clue, during that same Browning interview about Yuzu, he said, "he’s fragile like a bird so I hope he makes it through this"

I would love to watch Yuzu compete forever, but part of me will be relieved when he moves on. It can be excruciating to be a fan. And I don't really know why it feels so much worse as it does with the others - because my lord, most of them have injury after injury and live on the edge of being able to compete or needing to retire. There's just something so vulnerable and raw about Yuzu.

You'd think with all that success under his belt, we'd worry about him LESS than others, who have had disappointing careers after devoting their lives and everything they have to the sport. He's had the best payoff you can get - and still, it hurts to watch him struggle. I mean, he's never even missed a season - except for the much of the Olympic year lol, and look how that turned out! He knows how to turn on an empath's antennae.

Or maybe it's just the bishōnen looks -- and the pert little bubble butt.

by Anonymousreply 217October 21, 2018 1:23 PM

R217 I don't think it's just about his looks. See Matsuoka's interview at R195 There is a raw sensitivity and delicacy about Yuzu that you feel when you watch or listen to him, unless you are completely robotic. As Matsuoka says yes he is strong but he is also very fragile and it's that fragility or sensitivity that attracts a lot of people to his skating and him as a person.

by Anonymousreply 218October 21, 2018 1:36 PM

R195. Omg. Yuzu! I felt he hurts so much. I hope that he isn't hurting as much anymore. He deserves to be happy. Truly happy.

by Anonymousreply 219October 21, 2018 1:43 PM

I actually like Nathan's unkempt college boy look. Not that I find it sexy but it feels like you are looking at the real him. A 19 years old Yale student too busy to care about cutting his hair and with stress acne and not the perfect little quad machine pushed to us by NBC war propaganda.

by Anonymousreply 220October 21, 2018 2:02 PM

I find it funny, all the "Nathan has improved so much" and "These programs are much better than last season" and "He has choreo! It's doing wonders".

What's with the short-term memory?

Nathan's programs last season were as promising in the beginning and he did them wonderfully. It's the skater who decided to drop everything later on. Hopefully it won't follow the same trajectory as last season, and if so that his PCS won't grow despite it.

by Anonymousreply 221October 21, 2018 2:12 PM

Well, we now have the confirmation that Ponsart's costume is indeed Guillaume's. And what's with all these skaters interacting with this account or stalking her ig stories: Alyona, Javier, Ponsart and I think some others. If you look at what she posts it'a 90% Yuzu and Yuzuvier lust with walls of text to describe Yuzu's peach butt or how Yuzuvier look and touch each other. The remaining 10% is random praise/lust of other skaters. And she tags absolutely everything so it ends up being seen by as many people as possible. It's a bit creepy tbh. Like I get lusting after Yuzu's butt or Javi since I do the same but keep it in a place where they won't see it.

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by Anonymousreply 222October 21, 2018 3:06 PM

r221 You seem to feel very strongly about the fact that some people enjoy Nathan's programs at the moment.

Caught up on ladies: not bad overall. Greatest surprise was Marin whose program I genuinely liked watching for the first time. The costume is a bit of a mismatch but she makes up for it with her skating. Satoko was a bit forgettable, Sakamoto had a boring song but great-looking jumps. The wailing on Bradie's music gets tiresome really quickly, otherwise I'd love it. Tsurskaya's always a pleasure to watch, and Hendricks had a great program to her my favorite Celine Dion song. I don't particularly remember the rest.

by Anonymousreply 223October 21, 2018 4:05 PM

satoko was very good, actually wtf??

by Anonymousreply 224October 21, 2018 4:14 PM

R221, this is my first season watching FS, please, no SPOILERS!! :PP

by Anonymousreply 225October 21, 2018 4:16 PM

R223 Satoko is a beautiful skater. I thought she was leagues above the others in terms of presentation/artistry. I don't see improvement in her jumps though and the tech panel was too lenient with her. Marin's PCS were second to last, which seem unfair to me. I like Kaori. She should be given better programs though.

R222 That account goes into fanfic territory with the lengthy , orgasmic descriptions of Yuzuvier interactions. It's done in a tongue-in-cheek way, but I'm surprised these skaters openly interact with it.

by Anonymousreply 226October 21, 2018 4:25 PM

Glad to hear NBC has Weir and Tara L back

by Anonymousreply 227October 21, 2018 4:43 PM

R217 I understand what you mean by "excruciating." I too would love to see Yuzu compete forever and yet also want him to move on so that I can relax and stop worrying about him. I feel very parental towards him--if he were my kid and still wanted to compete after winning TWO OGMs, he would have to do it over my dead body.

by Anonymousreply 228October 21, 2018 5:22 PM

[R225] Then maybe stay off skating forums during competitions?

by Anonymousreply 229October 21, 2018 5:37 PM

Here is the video of Yuzu putting his medal around Matsuoka's neck and the latter crying. After today's interview I got reminded of this moment.

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by Anonymousreply 230October 21, 2018 5:40 PM

I was poking around on Twitter trying to figure out why the Kneirems broke up with Aljona Savchenko. They were still living in Germany one week ago - and they said they were going home and the first thing they'd do was look for a new coach.

Apparently Eurosport (Germany) said something about a fight because Aljona wanted them to train harder/more ?

Aljona told Johnny Weir "It didn't work out" - and Alexa said some pleasant things about Aljona - that they'd benefited from working with her (all very PC).

I keep looking at all three wondering which one is the trouble-maker (if there is one.) He seems to look beaten down a lot, lol, but maybe he's just tired from training (though not tired enough for Aljona) I don't know. Pairs are imploding this season. It's dangerous anyway - maybe they should just have ice dance for couples and not the daredevil lifts and throws and such, with concussions and wrenched backs, etc.

by Anonymousreply 231October 21, 2018 5:55 PM

I just looked the Kneirems up--she's 27 and he's 30. I wonder how long they plan to compete--are they still doing it because they don't have a plan for life after skating?

by Anonymousreply 232October 21, 2018 6:13 PM

R231 I love Alyona for her drive and passion but I can imagine that it must be tiring to be the focus of it all. She has worked so hard all these years that she probably doesn't even consider training a bit less as an option. Makes you wonder how Bruno managed to make it work.

by Anonymousreply 233October 21, 2018 6:20 PM

Cancer dance time at Skate America

by Anonymousreply 234October 21, 2018 6:24 PM

R234 Damnit. I missed both cancer and disco dance. I'll have to wait for some kind soul to upload onto youtube.

by Anonymousreply 235October 21, 2018 7:08 PM

R235 she was lipsyncing Donna Summer in the final part of Disco dance

by Anonymousreply 236October 21, 2018 7:16 PM

Tsurskaya FS lower than Chartrand who under-rotated even herself

by Anonymousreply 237October 21, 2018 8:38 PM

I am not last!!

by Anonymousreply 238October 21, 2018 8:47 PM

Another weird pairs situation: Mystery with Marchei-Otarek: All of a sudden Valentina made a statement that they won't keep competing together. He didn't say a word and disappeared from social media. Anna and Luca both unfollowed Valentina on IG. I think one of them said they were going to retire but I could be totally wrong. Pairs is going to be insane this season only 2 Top 10 pairs (James/Ciprés and Tarasova/Morozov) are still intact and competing in the GPs. This off-season was a whole new level of shenanigans.

And in ice dance, Kana Muramoto finally reopened her Instagram after the breakup with Chris Reed, about which he said he wished it didn't end the way it did. What the hell happened? They were a rare Japanese relative success in couples' skating. From Wikipedia: Muramoto/Reed were assigned to the 2018 NHK Trophy and 2018 Rostelecom Cup. However, on August 9, 2018, Japanese news media reported that they had ended their partnership, and that Muramoto planned to search for a new partner. Will Japan even have anyone for pairs and dance for the World Team Trophy in April 2019 in Fukuoka, Japan?

by Anonymousreply 239October 21, 2018 9:28 PM

Marin Honda didn't get a jump right. Maybe one. 5-6 URs

by Anonymousreply 240October 21, 2018 9:31 PM

[quote] Pairs is going to be insane this season only 2 Top 10 pairs (James/Ciprés and Tarasova/Morozov) are still intact and competing in the GPs

Out of Olympics top 10, also Zabjiako/Enbert (you may have missed them because everyone fall asleep after 1 minute of their programs) and Della Monica/Guarise are still around

[quote] Will Japan even have anyone for pairs and dance for the World Team Trophy in April 2019 in Fukuoka, Japan?

In Dance they still have Komatsubara/Koleto

Pairs there is the usual one, the crap one who did the Olympics. Suzuki/Kihara. They skated at one of the European challengers and yes, they are still crap

by Anonymousreply 241October 21, 2018 9:35 PM

Thanks R241. I'm new to following skating and didn't even watch them in the Olympics. But what a bloody mess! Maybe it's too hard to get along if you compete as a couple - what's the divorce rate, 50% ? lol

And I'm sorry Marin didn't do well. There was a lot of excitement, not least from her, after her short program. Well, she just turned 17 in August, so still a baby, and still hope - but also still those quadster/3A girls ready to pounce next year. She better fix those jumps - and the scuttlebutt is she's lazy, so that needs to change (if it's true). My bae Dave Lease considers her his skating surrogate daughter because he loves her skating so much - and he also recently had Aljona Savchenko on his show - hope she comes back to talk about Alexa (and the boy one) - popcorn time!

by Anonymousreply 242October 21, 2018 9:44 PM

fuck, yeah , Satoko and her step sequence . Love it

by Anonymousreply 243October 21, 2018 9:44 PM

Satoko was fantastic. I enjoyed both her programs at SKAM more than anything I've seen from the MedZags.

by Anonymousreply 244October 21, 2018 9:50 PM

Sofia Samodurova beat Tennell for 3rd!

by Anonymousreply 245October 21, 2018 9:51 PM

Good final group in Ladies

How old is Mishin?

1) Miyahara 219.71

2) Sakamoto 213.90

3) Samodurova 198.70

4) Tennell 192.89

5) Lecavelier 172.41

6) Wessemberg 170.33

7) Tsurskaya 159.45

8) Honda 158.04

9) Chartrand 155.48

10) Andrews 150.56

Hendrickx withdrew for medical reason

by Anonymousreply 246October 21, 2018 9:52 PM

R238 I was rooting for you! You weren't last!

R246 He's 77. He looked good!

by Anonymousreply 247October 21, 2018 9:53 PM

[quoote] He's 77. He looked good!

thanks!

by Anonymousreply 248October 21, 2018 9:54 PM

OMG Bradie! Missing that opening combo in her short really doomed her, didn't it? And of all people, Miss Consistency.

Even if she wins her other GP, she'd only have what? 24 points - not necessarily a lock for the GP Final?? And it's the France GP, with Evgenia, Mai, Rika Kihira (and her 3As), Stanislava Konstantinova (is she good?), Maria Sotskova, and Marin Honda, who'll be out for redemption.

by Anonymousreply 249October 21, 2018 9:58 PM

[quote] Damnit. I missed both cancer and disco dance. I'll have to wait for some kind soul to upload onto youtube.

Disco Dance in all its glory

In the first part they were moving their lips at random

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by Anonymousreply 250October 21, 2018 9:59 PM

Overall good ladies competition. Deserved win for Miyahara.

Dance was pretty meh, watched 3 hours ago and can't remember who won. I just remember that Blues for Klook, awesome music that it is, has seen better renditions. Oh yeah, and the disco program was fun.

by Anonymousreply 251October 21, 2018 10:00 PM

Satoko's English is quite good. I know she lived in the US when she was younger, but I think it's improved a lot since I last heard an English interview with her a few years ago (WC maybe where she kept repeating she needed to improve her speed). I don't pay a lot of attention to her, but I loved her skate. I enjoyed the ladies far more than I did the men at SKAM. The men were a fucking mess. Happy for the 16 year old. Maybe Bradie peaked at ACI.

R251 Thank you! Off to watch this.

by Anonymousreply 252October 21, 2018 10:01 PM

Sorry, meant to thank R250.

by Anonymousreply 253October 21, 2018 10:01 PM

Almost all flips by women were called ! , hahaha

by Anonymousreply 254October 21, 2018 10:07 PM

Oh you've got to love the old men of skating - or Russians, of any age, I guess.

On the subject of female students, Mishin said in 2009, "better one man of average talent than two super-talented ladies" because "compared with women, men are more sporty and talented and able to learn artistic elements faster" but women are "delicate material":

by Anonymousreply 255October 21, 2018 10:08 PM

Michin's other un-PC quote: Coaching women is dangerous – there's always probability that the story of (mythology) Pygmalion will recur periodically. My wife was a mere pupil at first. See, what has eventually happened?

Are you listening, Brian Orser? Or Danlil, with the little girl on his lap? (probably both gay - well I k now Brian is - so never mind...)

by Anonymousreply 256October 21, 2018 10:10 PM

R250 Bless you. I thought it was hilarious they were moving their lips at random. He fucked up a twizzle. Lol. I actually thought their performance at Nebelhorn was better, even though I think they scored higher here.

by Anonymousreply 257October 21, 2018 10:25 PM

Youtube has just recommended to me a TSL video "Was Yuna Robbed?"

Published 2 days ago.

wtf

by Anonymousreply 258October 21, 2018 10:39 PM

So ok, i's not the title, just the title card, but still. wtf

by Anonymousreply 259October 21, 2018 10:41 PM

r250 Random lip syncing was great. I didn't catch that at Nebelhorn bc the video quality was so bad. Or did they add that as part of their choreo?

R258 Ugh, TSL. Why go there again? Speaking of Yuna, she's still not in any ROI promotions. Are they trying to keep her appearance a secret or is there an issue?

by Anonymousreply 260October 21, 2018 10:43 PM

Skate America Gala performers

Ma

Lecavelier

Voronov

Hase/Seegert

Wessemberg

Fear/Gibson

Rizzo

Cain/Leduc

Honda

Guignard/Fabbri

Zhou

Efimova/Korovin

Samodurova

Yee

Zagorski/Guerreiro

Sakamoto

Knierm/Knierim

Brezina

Tennell

Chen

Tarasova/Morozov

Miyhara

Hubbell/Donohue

by Anonymousreply 261October 21, 2018 10:52 PM

I don't understand why Bradie was considered by some to be the favorite at SA this year when her competitors included Satoko and Kaori, both of whom have higher technical content in their programs.

by Anonymousreply 262October 21, 2018 10:53 PM

Someone explain to me why Satoko's PCS are so low. Unless of course you think they're fine; in which case, fuck off.

by Anonymousreply 263October 21, 2018 10:56 PM

R262 Because we Americans are fucking delusional.

by Anonymousreply 264October 21, 2018 10:58 PM

I tied this Satoko with Samodurova, good young girl from Mother Russia

But I liked this Megan, never heard of her before. I threw some 8s to her

by Anonymousreply 265October 21, 2018 11:01 PM

R261 A list of who they didn't invite would probably be shorter.

by Anonymousreply 266October 21, 2018 11:01 PM

R266

apparently I was the only one who was skipped

by Anonymousreply 267October 21, 2018 11:03 PM

R265 LMAO. This would be funny if it weren't so infuriating.

by Anonymousreply 268October 21, 2018 11:03 PM

Balkov also gave a positive goe to the twizzles of disco dance. The only one to do it

by Anonymousreply 269October 21, 2018 11:05 PM

Sorry, Nam, we mistook Jimmy Ma for you. No hard feelings?

by Anonymousreply 270October 21, 2018 11:06 PM

R265 Yuri, your English skills have improved. Keep up the good work!!

by Anonymousreply 271October 21, 2018 11:12 PM

In case any one needs a refresher, here is Judge Czar's primer on Yuri in a previous thread.

Yuri Balkov, judge 8, is in an old acquaintance.

At Nagano Olympics, the Canadian ice dance judge taped a conversation between them taking place before the event when he tells her how to rank ice dancers.

He was suspended for a year. The most ironic part is that the Canadian woman was also suspended because of her marks for Canadians (Shae-Lynn Bourne / Victor Kraatz). Actually IIRC she put forward the tape with Balkov only after ISU started the case against her.

He was in the Ladies panel at Sochi.

Then at the end of the 2013/14 season ISU decided to demote him (and a judge from Uzbekisthan) from ISU to International status (meaning he can't judge at Worlds, Euros or Olympics) because his English skills are too poor.

ISU was supposed to revise the decision in 2016 if they would show that they acquired working knowledge of English

Well, he is still International. So we can guess he still doesn't speak English well....

by Anonymousreply 272October 21, 2018 11:13 PM

The Cancer Dance

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by Anonymousreply 273October 22, 2018 12:59 AM

Satoko Miyahata TES and PCS are joke. Her TES should have been lower 5-6pts and her PCS shoud have been higher 5pts. I heard she was reworking her jumps with Briand Ghislain but she didn't have to because her small scores still earned her huge scores. And It seems she had stopped worked with her jumps because her consistancy is back.

by Anonymousreply 274October 22, 2018 1:47 AM

I made some mock layouts based on previous performance + rumored possibilities and includes backload bonus. These are potential scores of somewhat possible layouts skated clean. * is jumps getting the bonus. Hanyu and Uno have never done 5 quads and Nathan has never back loaded all his combos or packed these particular combos of elements. Scores include non-jump elements

Hanyu’s the hardest to guess since we can’t trust a word he says. Worth noting that the 4t/3a seq is only worth doing for points if he plans to integrate the 4a or if he averages 3 or less on GOE. But he says he wants to achieve things beyond points this year so maybe that’s not a factor in his planning.

4a, 4lo, 4s, 3lz, 4t/3a seq*, 4t/3t*, 3a/1e/3s* = 100.05 BV/ ave GOE 3 = 125.4/ GOE 4 = 133.85

4a, 4lo, 4s, 3a, 4t/2t*, 4t/3t*, 3a/1e/3s* = 98.63 BV/ ave GOE 3 = 124.61/ GOE 4 = 133.27

4lo, 4s, 3lz, 3f, 4t/3a seq*, 4t/3t*, 3a/1e/3s* = 92.85 BV/ ave GOE 3=116.04 / GOE 4 =123.77

4lo, 4s, 3lz, 3a, 4t/3t*, 4t/2t*, 3a/1e/3s*= 92.03 BV/GOE 3 = 116.03 / GOE 4 = 124.03

[B]Chen[/B] - based more on last year. Not sure what to make of the watered down programs - he didn’t start last year this way. Is he just trying to focus on improving performance or is it because his jumps aren’t ready? Worth noting that 3 of the 4 quads he landed were iffy at SkAm but not much more than they usually are.

If he doesn’t have the 4loop anymore: 4lz, 4f/3t*, 4f, 4t/3t*, 4s, 3a, 3f/1e/3s* = 99.7 BV / Ave GOE 3 = 125.08

I’m guessing he’s working on 4 lo. Why else would he start the program with a triple? 4lo, 4lz, 4f/3t*, 4s, 4t/1e/3s*(not sure if he’s ever done this), 4f/3t*, 3a = 105.77 bv/GOE 3 = 132.8

[B]Uno[/B] - I heard Shoma has previously tried 5 quads and wasn’t able to make it work in a 4.5 min program but these are the quads he’s been credited for in the past. 4s, 4f, 4t, 4t/3t*, 3a*, 3a/1e/3f*, 4lo = 101.27 BV/GOE 3 = 126.8

[B]Kolyada[/B] - oddly enough, Kolyada doesn’t have a flip of any kind either this year or last. 4 lz, 4t*, 3a/3t, 4t/3t, 3a*, 3lz/1e/3s*, 3lo = 90.22 BV, GOE 3 = 113.08, GOE 4= 120.7

Curious what Boyang's going to look like. If everyone skates clean, he's the clear 5th based on last year

by Anonymousreply 275October 22, 2018 4:22 AM

R275 I shudder to think what a 5 quad program would look like within the new reduced timeframe. It was boring as hell even with the extra 30 seconds. Nathan said he's concentrating on choreography and spins this season, so I wonder what that means for his jump layout.

by Anonymousreply 276October 22, 2018 5:35 AM

Who knew the black velvet pants can play too?

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by Anonymousreply 277October 22, 2018 6:15 AM

That's interesting R275. Earlier this year, Boyang competed in a comp they called "Cup of China" but of course, it wasn't the GP one. Anyway, someone reported on how he did:

Boyang Jin attempted a 4 Loop at a competition in China, new jump for him. Boyang attempted 5 quads and two 3As, but fell twice and popped twice. He only landed 4Lo (UR?) and the two 3As.

He said he would do 5 quads plus two 3As in this season according the interview after that competition. Not sure if Boyang plans 4 or 5 quads but he didnt manage to land even 3 quads in that competition. Boyang is planning to do 5 quad + 2 3A.

In his first competition, his 4Lz was downgraded in his FP, and his 4lz combo got UR call for his sp.

by Anonymousreply 278October 22, 2018 7:01 AM

* sorry about that jumbled mess - I think I just copied and pasted every comment I could find about that comp of Boyang's because he's been so mysterious, and so there's lots of repetition that doesn't make any sense. Probably a conversation among posters at GS or FSU or something - I kept the data but didn't bother to attribute it. I can't remember when this was - September I think.

by Anonymousreply 279October 22, 2018 7:10 AM

r276 I have to think that Nathan will eventually do 5 quads unless he physically can't do them for some reason. Or is he willing to throw this year away in hopes of building the pcs for the future? We know Hanyu and Uno are going for at least 4 and Nathan can't beat them without the quad advantage. Even at 4 vs. 5, he's relying on Hanyu making mistakes or extremely shitty judging. Uno has better spins, steps, and PCS scores.

r278 I wasn't expecting Boyang to up his quad count with the shortened time. Boyang doesn't generally backload his combos so I'm guessing 4lz*, 4lz/3t, 4t/2t*, 3a/3t, 3a*, 4lo, 4s = 98.75 BV. He generally gets lower goe so with an average of 2.5 GOE he gets 120.65 TES. With GOE of 3 = 125.03. Boyang normally does 2 quad toes rather than 4 lutz but his lutz is better in every way so you would think he'd eventually switch.

It looks like if Kolyada can stabilize that 4 lz, he can still beat a 5 quad Boyang with a 3 quad program unless Boyang has made drastic improvements.

by Anonymousreply 280October 22, 2018 7:22 AM

Agreed R276, he might do 5 quads eventually. Considering difference in BV between Yuzuru and Nathan is getting bigger and PCS diffirence is getting smaller, I totally can see jugdes will score Nathan higher than Yuzuru if both are clean. You can say GOE can help Yuzuru but GOE and PCS are subjective, jugdes gave Shoma's effortfully landed jumps higher GOEs than Yuzuru's perfectly landed jumps then no one can ensure they will give Nathan's jumps lower GOEs than Yuzuru's. What he needs is a fixed layout and try to get comfortable with it and skate cleanish in competitions not to lose momentum. The only way to help he win ( like he wants) against overscored skaters. I hate he acts mysteriously and plays with jumps ( which his fans called "strategy" lol ) in practice then falls on his ass in competitions.

Boyang Jin usually picks around Worlds. He usually doesn't do well during GP series, failed to qualify to Final but medaled at Worlds. He planned a 5-quad layout for this season. 4lo isn't a new jump for him, he already landed several times in practice since 2 years ago.

Back to ladies, I hope weeaboos won't blamed Raf for destroying Marin Honda's career. It's clearly puberty that affected her jumps which are originally small and prone to underotation. She already went downhill before changing coach.

by Anonymousreply 281October 22, 2018 7:57 AM

Last year must have been hellish for Boyang. He won 4CC and Finlandia - barely qualified for the GP final but withdrew from it - was fourth at the Olympics (which must have been agonizing getting so close) then bombed outrageously at Worlds, with NINE point deductions and a 19th place finish.

Then there was all that turmoil about him going to Canada - he looked happy to do so - then supposedly changed his mind due to loyalty/homesickness? (or was that just an excuse and the Chinese fed, after being so butthurt over the Olympics, threw the skating world's biggest snit and refused to host their agreed to Grand Prix -- it just seems to make sense that they'd also tell Boyang he wasn't going anymore during that tantrummy time. I mean, it was reported a translator would be living with Boyang in Toronto - there were photos of him happily doing a camp or something up there - it was all so weird.

Anyway, if he doesn't do 5 quads, doesn't he seem likely to repeat the kind of year he just suffered through? (similar thinking to Chen, who at the Japan Open said, "Yuzuru and, of course, Shoma are better skaters than I am...") So I think after this victory at SA, Chen's confidence will be back up and so will his quad count (and likely his PCS, whether deserved or not.)

I worry about Yuzuru's planning too R281. I think he really was floundering around, looking for a reason to continue the rehab and keep on trudging, after the 2nd gold medal - so here comes the 4A as the holy grail. Problem is, that ankle had a torturous year - the 4A quest is almost diametrically opposed to stabilizing his layout and keeping his rep for clean programs with the judges, who may be ready to move on to Chen/Uno even more propped than before. Oh well, at least it's interesting at this point. Kolyada could come out of the cold - he's up against Yuzu in both his GPs (and Boyang's at one of them.)

I'm more interested in the men than the women this year - but I think next year will be a skater death match for the ladies when the Sambo tigress cubs come out of their den.

by Anonymousreply 282October 22, 2018 8:16 AM

I've been wondering about Wikipedia saying that Junhwan Cha was a child actor (and ballet dancer!) - and then I saw this little video. OMG that little face!!

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by Anonymousreply 283October 22, 2018 8:59 AM

While I do agree that Hanyu has lost some of the spark that used to drive him in the past and I feel that he will retire after this season but to think he is old news based on his first competitions is just stupid.

He has always had a slow start to the season and this year he had one of his best first competitions ever. Usually he bombs his way through the senior b and first gp. I can see him losing one or both gp but barring injury he will be ready by worlds. Now nats should be interesting because so much energy gets put into gpf(if he makes it, could turn into another gogo situation if he bombs one gp bad) that he usually goes into nats on fumes and Shoma has a good track reckord in competitions close to another.

by Anonymousreply 284October 22, 2018 9:27 AM

He has never been the first qualifier at GPF, has he? Hanyu has a history of improving throught, I think his 2013/14 and 16/17 seasons were the most indicative because he didn't suffer an injury then, plus 16/17 had him learn a new jump.

I do wonder how this season will play out. Last one was a downward spiral, the only bright spot being the Olympics.

A change of topic a bit, did anyone notice how supportive Raf was to his skaters who bombed? I'm not fan of some of his products (empty skating) but I'm warming up to him. But boy, Marin Honda bombed badly. Nerves? She's akways seemed fragile, but I thought moving overseas would have toughened her up. And she looked so damn happy before the start of her program. Pity, as she finally has 2 programs I enjoy.

I can't make up my mind about Sakamoto. Her jumps are poetry, she's got some great elements, choreo fits the music but the problem is that the music is a snooze, both times. It's all so fucking boring.

Surprised about Tennel, thought she'd get on the podium.

Does anyone know why Loena Hendricks withdrew? Injured? Sick? Whatever it was, hope she gets better for her second GP.

So, over 70 is to be expected for a really good SP, and over 140 for a really good FS? (unless you're Zagitova).

by Anonymousreply 285October 22, 2018 9:57 AM

R285 2016/2017 Yuzu was right after his recovery from his lisfranc injury where he had to sit out from training for 2 months and had a late start to the season. On top of that he added the 4l and had 2 new programs. Since 2014 he has had injuries or other health issues every single year. Actually even in 2012/2013 he had ankle injuries at both worlds. And of course his asthma which manifests into attacks once in a while and because of which he can't train as much as the other skaters.

by Anonymousreply 286October 22, 2018 10:13 AM

r286 Yes, I know. His injury history has been drummed into me here so often that I can cite it with the best of them. (Unless there was something before Worlds 2014?) And yes, I know he had learned a 4lo, I did write that he had learned a new jump. No need to be so defensive, I'm not criticizing him.

The point is he didn't suffer an injury DURING those actual seasons (correct me if I'm wrong on the 2014 Worlds because I'm not 100% sure) so he was able continously turn in better and better results throught. So it stands to reason that it could happen again this year - even though he's learning a new jump.

by Anonymousreply 287October 22, 2018 10:29 AM

Many seems have forgot Yuzuru had to bring 4lutz when he barely landed it in practice in fear of losing to quad youngsters. Believe it or not but if Chen had skated two clean programs, he would have been Olympic Champion no matter how others competitors did. Whoever said Yuzuru's WR is higher than Chen's so if both had skated clean, Yuzuru was still the winner was too naive. Did anyone expect Adelina Sotnikova to almost set a WR for free skate when she had never score over 130 before Sochi ? In other competition, she could have got only 130-135 for the same performance, but it was Olympics, judges got her score up to 150 pts because they wanted her to win. Similarly, they could have 225pts had he not bombed his Short.

Last season, Chen wasn't World Champion yet, he hadn't skated 6 quad-layout cleanly at international competitions. Now he IS World Champion and GPF Champion, he succeeded to prove to judges he absolutely capable of 6-quad programs, he's American, he's young and has no intention to retire. Jugdes have no reason to doubt his abilities and hold him back in PCS. And the reality proved that. His PCS has reached 91-93 range if he's consistent, il will be up to 94-95 no matter he deserves it or not.

No, I didn't predict anything based on Yuzuru'a first outcome. I'm talking about the potential. I have faith in Hanyu, he's capable of pulling off his current layout. But even that Chen's clean 5-6 quad program will likely score higher than his. And Chen will win as long as he doesn't make major miskates both programs. Yuzuru's fan need to accept that.

Anyway, looking forward to Helsinki. I want to see how Yuzuru and his team adjust their plan and how his programs will be after 1 month.

by Anonymousreply 288October 22, 2018 12:13 PM

R288 From the moment Yuzu won the short by such an advance and didn't bomb the free he was guaranteed to win. He knew this. The only 2 times Nathan beat him in the past were instances where Yuzu messed up the short and actually funny thing is that in both cases (4CC and COR) he won the free over Nathan. That's why Yuzu decided to bring back a program like Ballade number 1 with which he knew he could get high PCs and with a layout he can do with his eyes closed. He knew it would be decisive to win the short and do it with as much advance as possible. Sochi told him that a gold isn't won during the SP but it can be lost there. Also if needed be mentioned himself that he might have jumped the 4l and do his H&L layout. Last but not least there is no 'if'. Nathan was not strong enough to withstand the pressure and crumble. 19 years old Yuzu did and 23 years old Yuzu with a busted ankle and even more pressure also did. Nathan fans are really deluded to believe he would have won when at both Worlds 2017 and Olympics when it was time to prove he could beat Yuzu on a big stage, he couldn't.

by Anonymousreply 289October 22, 2018 12:37 PM

"if Chen had skated two clean programs, he would have been Olympic Champion no matter how others competitors did. " Clean Chen would not have beaten a clean Hanyu. "Now he IS World Champion and GPF Champion" He is a GPF champion because Shoma got a time? deduction and world champion because the men flopped bad and the field was missing the OGM and OBM and OSM was injured. Sure not all judges will remember that and will be throwing 9,5 at him if he skates somewhat cleanish but he most certainly hasn't become the one to beat quite yet.

by Anonymousreply 290October 22, 2018 12:38 PM

R290 Exactly. He is a Worlds champion because the judges were so horrified by that mess of a competition that they just threw points at him just for staying on his feet. His free at Worlds was empty of everything and most of his jump landings were iffy and his score was a complete joke so let's not pretend it's deserved or means anything. I agree though that the judges will keep propping him up from now on but at this point I don't even care anymore. I want Yuzu to land the 4A, have one season or 2 more where he can have fun and then retire. Even if he doesn't win everything from now on I won't mind unless the scoring is atrociously unfair.

by Anonymousreply 291October 22, 2018 12:49 PM

R290 so? He still won it. He is World Champion and GPF champion and no one can take that from him, right ? You sounded exactly like some losers who complained about Yuzuru's Olympics titles saying he won a splatfest at Sochi 2014 after falling on his ass and got lucky at Pyeongchang because his biggest rival Nathan Chen bombed his short program. Lol.

by Anonymousreply 292October 22, 2018 1:05 PM

jesus, sensitive hanyu ubers are coming...

by Anonymousreply 293October 22, 2018 1:13 PM

Hanya did fall on his ass at Sochi and made a huge mistake in Pyeongchang. His titles need asterisks behind them.

by Anonymousreply 294October 22, 2018 1:22 PM

R285 Loena posted a note on her insta that her blood pressure was too low and she had had problems eating for 2 days.

by Anonymousreply 295October 22, 2018 1:30 PM

Do we have some Hanyu antis here or what? Personally I just want Hanyu happy and healthy. It's obvious the judges are going to favor Nathan Chen. Hanyu has nothing to prove. He's the 2 time ogm. He's the GOAT. Let's see Nathan become a 2 time ogm.

by Anonymousreply 296October 22, 2018 1:46 PM

Please , with that GOAT , ok? No skater is goat. Only if you count olympci medals. But then Yuna is not goat , only katarina witt. Please, stop with that bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 297October 22, 2018 1:52 PM

Well, I just read a comment on GS saying that Nathan deserved higher PCS at SkAm but judging was strict so...

I think people are saying a clean Yuzu will still beat a clean Nathan last season, even at the Olympics, because Yuzu's personal bests were also the (still unbeaten, now historical) world records, and that was with less quads total.

That said, a bunch of sensitive Hanyu ubers here. Be realistic about the judging. Nathan isn't close to Yuzu in skills, but scores is a different beast entirely. Scores can be brought up and down, without telling the full story.

I do think Yuzu will eventually be held down and the others will catch up in terms of scores, and Yuzu would have to put in double the effort and work. Thus I would prefer if he just does whatever he want before he retires because he needs to prove nothing else anymore.

by Anonymousreply 298October 22, 2018 1:53 PM

R296 Of course we do have antis. The reason why this thread exists in the first place is because of one of these unhinged assholes in particular and these types of obsessive creeps usually have some kind of fascination for the thing they hate, hence why they keep stalking this thread. Better just block them.

by Anonymousreply 299October 22, 2018 1:55 PM

R299 what a hypocrisy. you re antis too. Of shoma, for instance. You are oversensitive , you take everything as abuse, but hwen you hate on other, then it is ok

by Anonymousreply 300October 22, 2018 2:03 PM

Nathan Chen's fans were delulus saying he would have won Worlds 2017 and Olympics when he hadn't haven experiences on big stages like Shoma, Yuzuru, Javier... but now not too much. As I said Chen had enough time to built momentum. His chance winning against Yuzuru if both skates clean is bigger given his TES is clearly superior, his PCS goes up fast and he has high success rate on difficult quads because his programs are emptier than Yuzuru's. Ofc, we won't know for sure until they compete against each other.

About Chen's mental, I don't think he's a metally weak person, Kolyada said in an interview even if something doesn’t work out for Chen, he gets over it quickly and goes on, full of natural positive energy. I'm not sure Yuzuru has that kind of mental. I get a sense he easily gets stressed and dig himself in a hole after fucking up his performance. He's no doubt a tough competitor but it seems to me he has to force himself to be a strong person, a positive one. Look at how he prepares himself before competitions: it was like he was screaming to himself " I HAVE TO BE STRONG". Mentally strong person usually don't have to do that to tough up themselves.

by Anonymousreply 301October 22, 2018 2:12 PM

I am not an anti of any skater , but I am not gonna kiss hanyus ass or shoma's and thats not make me a hater . Life is not black or white. Take it easy, uber

by Anonymousreply 302October 22, 2018 2:14 PM

On Vincent Zhou

I thought he could be the next Shoma, resting in his country's forerunner's shadow but nipping at his heels, propped up by judges in jumping prowess.

But seems USFed is not going to politic for his TES. Are they just throwing everything behind Nathan hoping he won't retire or run out if gas?

Someone should DM and send the memo to Vincent that he needs even more PR in his jumps so he won't get UR or carrot calls. It does wonders for some of the other quad jumpers.

by Anonymousreply 303October 22, 2018 2:18 PM

R299. It's quite sad actually. I know one of the Hanyu haters is the Daitroll. One can't even say Hanyu is the GOAT. He is. And Chen never will be. Anyway I am looking forward to this weekend and of course the following weekend. SA I found the men to be boring. Probably because we all knew what the outcome would be. I did enjoy the ladies though. They saved SA.

by Anonymousreply 304October 22, 2018 2:43 PM

R299 I like hanyu very much., moron. Chen , no at all. Nothing you say will change that. Try a little more, moron. In a while , in two weeks i am gonna see him in Finland, and you? On a bad stream, loser? Earn some money, for a change.

by Anonymousreply 305October 22, 2018 2:47 PM

R305. What are you? 5?

by Anonymousreply 306October 22, 2018 3:04 PM

R306 Haha Who is asking?? If am 5, you're 2. You are just a big mouth . Nothing else. Just kids posting stuff like you with trolling and cheap provokes.

by Anonymousreply 307October 22, 2018 3:09 PM

Jesus Christ, check out this Facebook tome written by Zhou's coach. Just when everyone was feeling bad (kinda, not really) for Vincent.

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by Anonymousreply 308October 22, 2018 3:54 PM

Dear Tom, we don't have instant replay on the jumbotron. Actually we don't have a Jumbotron.

by Anonymousreply 309October 22, 2018 4:12 PM

R308 Too long. Can someone summarize?

I, uh, only read the comments. Many people seem to agree, so is that good or bad?

But really even if he's wrong someone calling out the calls or scores will at least get something changed, so hopefully for the better. Like consistency on calls.

by Anonymousreply 310October 22, 2018 4:13 PM

R308 Recap

Vincent's jumps were not UR. He agrees that panel wasn't biased against him. The calls were due the panel using only one camera angle with bad quality frame. So ISU should at least give them one more camera angle

And the chance to athletes/coaches to request a review immediately like in tennis and football because they see the replay in the K&C anyway

by Anonymousreply 311October 22, 2018 4:21 PM

R311 Your recap makes him sound too much like a grownup. It was really more along these lines:

Links to tweets from VIPS (he helpfully lists their credentials, like World Champ and Oly Medalist X) saying Vincent's jumps seemed okay to them

I accept the results and the tech panel wasn't biased, they were just blind.

Vincent is working on his problems, but other people underrotate too!

I said earlier that the tech panel was fair, but anyone with eyes, including the estimable Jackie Wong thought the 4f was clean. Here is a video to show just how fair the tech panel was.

This issue affects all of humanity, not just Vincent.

The tech panel was fair but I want the chance to request a review of their fairness.

Please join me in my crusade to ensure fairness in judging because I love FS and fairness, for everyone, not just Vincent, but especially Vincent.

by Anonymousreply 312October 22, 2018 4:34 PM

SO trusova lutz should be called also and i bet it wont in a future. If his quads are UR , what about hers?

by Anonymousreply 313October 22, 2018 4:36 PM

R312 LOL. yes, it was more or less on that line

by Anonymousreply 314October 22, 2018 4:43 PM

R312 Tbh as insufferable as Vincent and his coach are, they point out the one main issue ruining figure skating for so long and that is the double standard and obvious bias in making those calls. I follow other more mainstream sports and nowhere is this issue as extreme as in fs. I mean look at the ridiculous situation with someone like Satoko who often does not get calls on her obvious URs and then judges compensate by lowering her PCs which is dumb because her presentation and component skills are high.

by Anonymousreply 315October 22, 2018 4:51 PM

Can someone remind me, how often did Vincent get called on his URs before this kerfuffle. It's been an issue with him but how often was he actually dinged for it? I'm guessing by their reaction that his URs have been overlooked too in the past?

R315 Completely agree. And about Satoko, I love her skating but her scores don't reflect her strengths and weaknesses.

by Anonymousreply 316October 22, 2018 4:56 PM

One of the complaints from some quarters last season was Zhou not getting all his URs called....

Now the complain is that they are calling him too many URs...

by Anonymousreply 317October 22, 2018 4:57 PM

Zhou last season

World: 0 in the SP, 6 URs in the FS

Olympics: 1 in SP and 1 FS

Cup of China: 1 in SP, 2 in FS

GP France: 2 in SP and 1 in FS

US Nationals: 2 in SP, 3 in FS + 1 Downgraded

Finlandia Tropy: 2 in the SP, 1 in FS

by Anonymousreply 318October 22, 2018 5:02 PM

Panels were

Finlandia: Diana BARBACCI LEVY, Veronique FLEURY, Sari HAKOLA

French GP: Pekka LESKINEN, Anett PÖTZSCH, Terry KUBICKA

Cup of China and Olympics: Raffaella LOCATELLI, Konstantin KOSTIN, Ricardo OLAVARRIETA

US Nationals: Laurie Johnson, Troy Goldstein, Libby Scanlan

Worlds: Yukiko OKABE, Olga MARKOVA, Myriam LORIOL-OBERWILER

by Anonymousreply 319October 22, 2018 5:05 PM

R315 This is why being a FS fan sucks and maybe why people are so fucking crazy. I can accept when my favs lose because they fuck up, but when there's so much subjectivity, bias and blatant corruption, some of the results are hard to swallow.

R318 Thank you. So there were breadcrumbs already, especially in Worlds, but they're just now coming down hard on him for both SP and FS. At SKAM, it was 3 UR in SP; 4 in FS

by Anonymousreply 320October 22, 2018 5:09 PM

Who is that guy because Yuzu looks really interested.

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by Anonymousreply 321October 22, 2018 5:15 PM

R319 So what you're trying to say is that all the tech panels are biased against Vincent, just to varying degrees.

by Anonymousreply 322October 22, 2018 5:16 PM

Vincent underrotated his jumps too much to not get called, his quads are almost downgraded and it happened to all his quad jumps. The same issue as Kevin Reynolds's. UR issue is very difficult to fix, there's no skaters with serious URed jumps succeeding to fix it as far as I remember. If judging panel continues to be strict like that ( I doubt), he should jump only triples. Otherwise, he has no chance standing on any podium.

by Anonymousreply 323October 22, 2018 5:18 PM

For some reason I can’t copy and paste from his post apparently. Unless the tech caller book has changed since July, some of what Tom wrote is utter bullshit. No wonder his students keep getting called for ur.

The video evidence he provided is the grainiest video in existence and you can still see Vincent finishing his rotation on the ice. And when I try to scroll down to focus on the feet better, the video stops playing.

There are 2 arguments for why Vincent’s jumps shouldn’t be called under-rotated.

1. [bold] The caller handbook doesn’t define exactly what landing is. [/bold] Tom is arguing that Vincent’s shoulders were all the way around so it should be considered rotated. However, the tech book specifies the quarter mark of the landing, which seems to indicate the blade. You could argue that the jump isn’t “landed” until the full blade hits the ice but Vincent’s front part of the blade is clearly hitting the ice, then he finishes the rotation on the ice, which is causing the giant spray of snow.

2. Tom is also arguing that [bold] a) [/bold] pre-rotation isn’t factored in when deciding under-rotations [bold] b) [/bold] except in the case of toe-axel and that [bold] c)[/bold] all jumps are pre-rotated 60-180 degrees so it is acceptable.

In the case of [bold] b [/bold] , from tech handbook [quote] A clear forward (backward for Axel type jump) take-off will be considered as a downgraded jump.

I.e. ALL jumps taking off in the wrong direction are downgraded, not just “toe axels”

In the case of [bold] c [/bold] , taking off forward on a backward jump is the 180 degree mark and causes the jump to not only be ur, but DOWNGRADED, so clearly the ISU does not find a 180 degree pre-rotation acceptable.

Also In the case of [bold] c [/bold] , while 99% of jumps are pre-rotated, there are exceptions. Hanyu’s flip and lutz have 0 pre-rotation. Someone else does too - I think Kolyada’s lutz but not sure about that. Tom is also arguing that 120 degree pre-rotation is ideal but the best jumpers (Kolyada, Jin, Hanyu) all have minimal pre-rotation.

His strongest argument is in the case of [bold] a [/bold]. the wording of the tech book is a little ambiguous. The fact that the tech book writes “quarter/half mark of landing” makes it look like ur calls are based on the landing, however it does not explicitly say “only” the landing is considered and further in the document, it says that ur is simply “missing ¼ rotation or more”. If pre-rotation is considered for downgrades, why not for under-rotations?

Vincent’s landings were obviously under-rotated at the blade, but not by a full ¼ on the landing. So there is argument for the ur calls. But then by that argument, more of Nathan’s jumps should also have been called.

by Anonymousreply 324October 22, 2018 6:24 PM

I thought TomZ was about to write "if you heard World Medalist Jonny Weir and Olympic Champion Tara Lipinski rather than 13th finisher at Kinki Regionals Technical Specialist"

by Anonymousreply 325October 22, 2018 7:30 PM

I leave it for you. Just the first 10 seconds are worthy

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by Anonymousreply 326October 22, 2018 8:14 PM

R324 Thanks for articulating this. That post was whiney misleading BS.

R325 That would imply that all these luminaries who support Vincent know better than the loser judges. And he would never!

Here's a video of Nathan's 4lz for the person who wanted a video upthread.

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by Anonymousreply 327October 22, 2018 8:15 PM

R326 LOL. 1st 10 seconds b/c that's before he actually starts skating? Tara (I think, but she sounds different): "Vincent Zhou, showing some of that personality that he hides sometimes." He still looks stiff. Is he still injured or just a shitty skater who can't have fun with an a-ha song?

by Anonymousreply 328October 22, 2018 8:25 PM

R328 I meant the 10 first seconds of the EX when he is doing bizarre expressions trying to fit the character of the music but looking just weird.

by Anonymousreply 329October 22, 2018 8:27 PM

R326 I enjoyed it. He's a better dancer than Yuzuru. It remided me of Yuzuru's horrifying "Hello I Love you" at SA Gala 2012. The announcer's voice didn't help.

by Anonymousreply 330October 22, 2018 8:38 PM

Nothing my precious does is ever good enough for you whores. See e.g., tweets from 2x Olympian Michael Weiss, Olympian Mirai Nagasu, 0xs Olympian, but still almighty God et al.

by Anonymousreply 331October 22, 2018 8:39 PM

Strange. Went to look at the ISU progression of highest scores and Autumn Classic scores are still not on there.

Skate America Free Skate and Total scores, where Nathan tops the list, are on there in spite of earlier competitions not. But on the highest SP scores, where Shoma tops the list, Skate America scores are not on there.

I'm not generally a conspiracy theorists but it's almost as if the ISU is eagerly trying to portray Nathan as the top skater while hiding when he isn't.

Probably just an oversight on the SP list since Kolyada and Hanyu's programs that scored higher than Nathan aren't on there either but awfully sloppy record keeping.

by Anonymousreply 332October 22, 2018 9:51 PM

nevermind, just realized that the other scores aren't there because the ISU doesn't list scores unless it tops the previous high score. please excuse my stupid

by Anonymousreply 333October 22, 2018 9:53 PM

R321. I want to know who he is too. Hanyu's face lol. Too cute!

by Anonymousreply 334October 22, 2018 10:31 PM

Ilia Kulik most likely. If you can read Japanese, it says "New Year on Ice" right on the top left of the screen.

by Anonymousreply 335October 22, 2018 10:49 PM

R335 Illia Kulik was incredibly hot in Center Stage. I'm so glad this forum is anonymous so I can admit that. By 2016 NYOI, he was not hot, so it's more likely Hanyu was flirting with his gold medal.

by Anonymousreply 336October 22, 2018 11:33 PM

R327 Nathan's 4lz looks about as UR to me as Vincent's. Maaaaybe you can argue that both were within the 1/4 limit, but one was called and the other wasn't.

by Anonymousreply 337October 23, 2018 12:00 AM

I believe all we want here is fairness. These judges are playing favorites which I will never understand. Let these people skate and then judge them correctly and without bias. I'm all for kicking a judge off from a particular country when a skater skates from that same country. It might stop the bias. Even just a little bit.

by Anonymousreply 338October 23, 2018 12:35 AM

More Nerd stats:

Since we're comparing clean vs. clean, I used ave GOE per/element without step outs or falls and PCS scores of mostly clean skates and filled in the most difficult attempted layouts of the big 4. I did have to guess on a few elements since some weren't performed cleanly yet. Hanyu's is most inaccurate since he only has 1 error riddled competition to use and yolo'd the layout on the free. I also assumed that they're attempting level 4's on everything even if they have yet to successfully perform it.

Uno: (LP)4s, 4f, 4t, 4t/3t, 3a*, 3a/1e/3f*, 3s/3t* + (SP) 4f, 4t/3t, 3a*= 317.77

Chen: 3lo, 4lz, 3f/3t, 3a, 4t/3t*, 4t/2t/2lo*, 4s*+ (SP) 3a, 4f, 3lz/3t* = 296.47

Kolyada: 4t/3t, 3lz, 3a, 3s/2t, 4t*, 3lo*, 3lz/1e/3s* + (SP) 4t, 3lz/3t, 3a* = 287.56

Hanyu: 4lo, 4t, 3lo, 4s/3t, 4t/3a seq*, 3f/2t*, 3a* + (SP) 4s, 3a, 4t/3t = 300.22

Chen actually has a higher base value than Hanyu even though he has 1 less quad. I pieced together Hanyu's planned layout based on what fans were saying. Seems pretty shitty for scoring.

by Anonymousreply 339October 23, 2018 1:09 AM

Do we know who the callers at Skate Canada will be? I'm curious to see what will happen with Uno.

by Anonymousreply 340October 23, 2018 1:24 AM

r340 I don't know the callers but I predict a whole lot of nothing unless Uno's short on landing.

The one clear pattern for the < calls are that it only seems to happen when it's short on landing. Tom Z might be interpreting the rules correctly, but it might just have to do with the fact that usually it's really hard to see take-off problems and tech callers are not allowed to use slow mo replays to look at them.

by Anonymousreply 341October 23, 2018 1:36 AM

Where's the poster who summarizes The Skating Lesson? They released another video on SkAm.

I only listened to the part about Vincent and Tara and Johnny and have to agree on that part. Especially the part about reacting to skating rather than overriding it or telling viewers what to feel, frustration at NBC for still trying to push these "narratives" (Zhou vs Chen), and that Vincent always had UR problems so with the recent changes in UR rules of course he's going to get called.

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by Anonymousreply 342October 23, 2018 12:46 PM

I'm the Leasaholic summarizer but started to fear that I was annoying people, bringing all the details over here, and also wondering if that was even fair to The skating Lesson because people might not click on their vlog if they read the whole thing instead (I assume you get benefits from clicks - I really don't understand the monetizing or whatever people get out of it.)

Oh, and some very kind viewer put a time stamp list, which was the first comment when I listened last night. So you can look down the list and just go to the section you want to listen to, skipping the rest. It was at the top of the comments last night but I don't know if it's moved down yet.

I'm surprised they went after Tara and Johnny so hard - because they talk too much or stay stupid/wrong stuff, etc. I disagree to a point - I'm a newbie to skating and don't mind the spoonfeeding aspect but must admit I prefer Kurt Browning or the British uncles on B-ESP, so I'll look for that sometime. There's a HUGE chunk of the show, at the very start, devoted to the Kneirems/Aljona sudden breakup. A lot on how much they adore Satoko and on Bradie's failure to podium (and her flaws.) A lot of hand-wringing about what went wrong/will happen to their adored little Marin Honda. They like Kaori (more than in the past), a few tidbits about the other singles skaters - like Starr Andrews ought to go into pairs - Brezina benefiting from Rafael - not near as much as last time on singles which is my singular focus, but it was a good listen imo, even when I disagree (even about Tara and my love Johnny Weir.)

Oh controversy: They said Adam Rippon said that Satoko had BDE and to look it up. I did, and what I found was some weird medical condition leading to malformed teeth and sleep problems (Johnny/Tara talked about her team working on her nutrition and sleep issues.) Anyway, as Dave was talking about it - he said it was being about over confidence - so I think he meant/thought it means: Big Dick Energy, or BDE, is that confidence you got knowing you got an enormous penis, but BDE isn't exclusive to the well-endowed. Anyone can have big dick energy...

Anyway here's a link to the physical syndrome BDE if anyone wants to see what it means, if you think Adam was referring to some physical problem Satoko has (and maybe Adam really does think she has "big dick energy" but she sure doesn't give it off to me - now Ashley Wagner maybe -- or Patrick Chan lol)

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by Anonymousreply 343October 23, 2018 1:44 PM

R343 I don't mind your TSL summaries. In fact, I appreciate it over the constant rehash of other things. I love-hate TSL so unless someone tells me one of their videos is less annoying and worth checking, I usually stay away or pick out bits.

by Anonymousreply 344October 23, 2018 2:18 PM

Oh thanks R344. I'm working on my tl;dr syndrome which I think comes from being an older Internet user, back from the days when message boards were all about essays on minutiae pertaining to celebs/politics/etc. These days, it's finally dawning on me that most people want two or three sentences, at MOST, lol. So this old dog is trying to learn the new tricks. Sad about the think-piece era though - granted most of it was malarkey but short quips can be time wasters too.

Next time maybe I'll take notes on TSL and be more sparing about how much of it I post here - maybe the best of... and some single phrase references to parts of it, so I don't feel like I'm trying to steal away clicks --- though it may not matter much - how many people are on this thread anyway? I wouldn't think it was even in the dozens, as regulars? Who knows though as we're anons lol. (I do have a sort of thing for Dave - even though I haven't watched his most recent Yuna Kim shudda won thing - I don't know who the hell she is (or care) -- and Jonathan has toned down his manic speech (somewhat) so I'm not minding him as much.

by Anonymousreply 345October 23, 2018 2:27 PM

Again I find it laughable that the biggest advocates for Vincent to be punished for his URs are Shoma fans. At least from what I see on Twitter. Yes, Vincent deserved these calls for his URs were way too obvious and he is an all around twat anyway so no tears for him from me but I guess that having the confidence that the tech panel or judges will never go after your fave because they are all too busy sucking his tiny dick makes them feel like they have some authority to speak.

by Anonymousreply 346October 23, 2018 2:46 PM

I'm hope they're trying to apply the rules stringently (but probably only because I'm a fan of those who are cleanest, which I understand are Hanyu, Kolyada and Jin, among the men.) Well, I'm a Shoma fan too but not as much as Hanyu so if he URs fuck him.]

I do agree they have at least two camera angles to watch - if not three - and just take a bit more time, trying to be accurate. I'm sure the network affiliates will just love that lol. Maybe they could mike up the K&C - wouldn't it have been fun to listen to Rafael's endless lecture to Marin, as she sat there about to cry? For a bit, she was rubbing one of her ankles with her hand (or skate?) - and when she took her hand away, he put his hand down on her ankle/skate in the same place she'd been rubbing. Inquiring minds wanna know - what was going on with that? I'd probably find that as interesting as the skating - not sure the skaters would like it though, but we'd get to know them better and be less bored, and it would give the tech people less reason to rush to judgment.

by Anonymousreply 347October 23, 2018 3:23 PM

R346 I feel like I'm missing out on so much by not being on twitter. At the same time, the immaturity from all sides might drain away the rest of my sanity, so maybe it's a good thing.

Vincent's coach doesn't believe he has UR problems and shouldn't be hammered in TES. Those Shoma fans perhaps are the ones that believe Shoma is a complete package skater too, and not because of lenient tech calls which boosts his TES.

by Anonymousreply 348October 23, 2018 3:26 PM

Itsuki Uno strikes again. He's going to appear in Anan magazine with his brother to be issued at the end of November. They were answered 61 questions about each other and Itsuki will be sharing "secrets" only he knows about Shoma.

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by Anonymousreply 349October 23, 2018 4:32 PM

R349 Did Itsuki grow? I don't remember him being that much taller than Shoma.

by Anonymousreply 350October 23, 2018 4:38 PM

Javi mentioning that he already left behind his life in Toronto but that he is still set on going to the European championship. I wonder if it means he will do all his training at home. Also lol, poor Yuzu. He had mentioned looking forward to perform Origin in Russia as Plushenko might be there but Plushenko will be at ROI with Javi. Although it's probably better this way. Less presssure on Yuzu to be perfect.

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by Anonymousreply 351October 23, 2018 4:53 PM

R348 You're not missing much, but I'll give you a quick summary in case you want to jump into the fray:

Yesterday: People were pissed off about a stupid comment Vincent made about enslaved African Americans (our righteous underrotater is a fucking idiot, but we already knew that).

Today: Tuktik tweeted some Russian journalist's racist remarks about Nathan; Adam Rippon joined in on the outrage; someone responded with a picture of Mishin making a slanty eye gesture while standing next to Waka.

I have a long train commute, so twitter can be an amusing way to unwind. Otherwise, it is a cesspool of stupidity and misinformation.

by Anonymousreply 352October 23, 2018 7:02 PM

SKATE CANADA line up

MEN

Brendan Kerry

Keegan Messing

Nam Nguyen

Roman Sadovsky

Kevin Aymoz

Daniel Samohin

Kazuki Tomono

Shoma Uno

Junhwan Cha

Alexander Samarin

Alexander Majorov

Jason Brown

LADIES

Alaine Chartrand

Veronik Mallet

Alicia Pineault

Wakaba Higuchi

Yura Matsuda

Mako Yamashita

Elizabet Tursynbaeva

Evgenia Medvedeva

Daria Panenkova

Elizaveta Tuktamysheva

Starr Andrews

Maria Bell

PAIRS

Alexandrovskaya/Windsor

Moore Tower/Marinaro

Ruest/Wolfe

Walsh/Michaud

Peng/Jin

James/Cipres

Boikova/Kozlovskii

Denney/Frazier

ICE DANCE

Gilles/Poirier

Sales/Wamsteeker

Souicisse/Firus

Wang/Liu

Lauriault/Legac

Tweedale/Buckland

Sinistina/Katsalapov

Skoptcova/Aleshin

Smart/Diaz

Hubbell/Donohue

by Anonymousreply 353October 23, 2018 7:49 PM

I should have checked Twitter before commenting on Dave Lease saying Adam said Satoko had BDE. He answered someone who responded to his "she has bde" tweet: The context is that she was flawless and you need to YouTube her Skate America free skate ASAP.

Oh well, seemed like a just a joke to me.

by Anonymousreply 354October 23, 2018 7:51 PM

Was just reading Med's thread at GS and someone explained why she posed with Russian flag, along with the others at TCC:

"After Evgenia posted picture of her skating TCC family some pseudo journalist from Russia wrote an article how Zhenya is "ashamed" of Russian flag as the one from picture was slightly creased and how we never saw picture of Evgenia and Russian flag at TCC. I checked now her instastory and it's just Russian flag from Cricket Club rink. Coincidence? I don't think so"

by Anonymousreply 355October 23, 2018 7:55 PM

If you use Twitter for other things besides skating it's fine. I use it for Hanyu stuff and politics. I need a laugh at trump and my followers provide that for me lol.

by Anonymousreply 356October 23, 2018 7:57 PM

At first glance I thought this was real. Ha Ha!

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by Anonymousreply 357October 24, 2018 12:20 AM

Here is a translation of the interview with Javi that R351 posted. Some highlights:

He's still deciding whether to do a new program or recycle (probably talking about the SP)

Going to Euros, not sure he's going to Spanish Nats.

He's still planning to go back to Toronto to train.

He believes and thinks everyone else believes that Plush is the best skater in history. Also thinks Yuna is the best.

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by Anonymousreply 358October 24, 2018 12:42 AM

Well, Kurt Browning says that Hanyu is (arguably) the best skater in history. I think Jackie Wong did an article saying he had a good claim for it. So I'm not sure it's "everyone."

And it's not a particularly nice claim to make when your former rinkmate and supposed friend is in the conversation. One thing for sure: Javi is NOT in that conversation.

But oh well... Other than not having consecutive gold medals, he's got more hardware than Hanyu and a better argument, just going on that. But still -- other people are saying it and Javi is saying no no no, no one believes that.

Pinche cabron!

by Anonymousreply 359October 24, 2018 12:58 AM

r358 Europeans must just be a farewell. I don't get why he would end his career as a subpar version of himself. Kolyada implodes often enough and the European field is shallow enough that he could still win it, but just seems strange to stick around uncommitted.

Didn't Hanyu also name Yuna as one of his favorite skaters many years back? Weird that Wakaba received such backlash for listing her as her idol. I find the statements about Plushenko odd just because he has to know that, at best, the GOAT debate is mixed between Plushenko, Hanyu, and Button. Hanyu would agree with Javi while Plushenko would not.

btw, I've fallen down a rabbit hole of skating nerddom. After seeing how the current skaters would stack up in "clean" skates based on their GOE patterns so far, I became curious how other competition would have ended up clean vs. clean. some of you may recognize the form but I modified someone else's form - don't want my comments blamed on poor Shanshani after he worked so hard to do something nice for everyone. I tried it 2 ways - 1 with the highest GOE's/PCS they have received and the other with marks that the Olympic panels were already giving. In 2014, there were so many mistakes that I had to use an average of clean (no major errors) elements from the season for some of the elements.

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by Anonymousreply 360October 24, 2018 1:20 AM

oops. just realized that my modification messed up the references. I'll post results when I fix it.

by Anonymousreply 361October 24, 2018 1:28 AM

r360 wait, I must be high. was thinking of the new system vs. the old but these are both the old system and I verified scores against protocols so the original is fine.

Have some ass for putting up with my addled mind

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by Anonymousreply 362October 24, 2018 1:35 AM

Javi's been trying to distance himself from Hanyu for years now, especially in his Spanish interviews. i guess he wants to be recognized for his own accomplishments and appear more macho. Still, why join the whole GOAT debate to begin with? Of course, I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the two best skaters in history are also skating in his show. LOL.

R360 - R362 Thanks for the data and the ass. I'll look at the spreadsheet more carefully later, but it's always nice when people take the time to do these things, given that most people pull "what if" comments out of their asses.

by Anonymousreply 363October 24, 2018 1:52 AM

Interesting that Javier answered with plushenko. Not everyone thinks plushenko is the greatest. I believe both Hanyu and dick buttons are the greatest. Not sure why Javier does what he does sometimes.

by Anonymousreply 364October 24, 2018 2:31 AM

If Hanyu and Fernandez sincerely think Plush is the greatest skater in history then they have shit taste in skating. Seriously, there are a number of people I would put over Plush. Plush had the longevity, but in their heyday, I always thought Yagudin was the superior skater. And while he had the longer career, Plush was a shadow of his former self after 2006; some might even say 2004. I truly wish we saw more from Yagudin, I loved that guy.

by Anonymousreply 365October 24, 2018 3:21 AM

R359, of course he's gonna hype up the two people who will come to his show , Plushenko and Yuna, what a shocking surprise.

by Anonymousreply 366October 24, 2018 4:39 AM

R365 I think what they both admire about him is his consistency and his capacity to go clean so often but honestly if Plushenko didn't telegraph his jumps but did difficult entries like Yuzu and even Javi does he probably also wouldn't have been as clean as often. But still you can't deny he has an incredible track record. Whether his skating was more enjoyable than Yagudin's or not is another debate. And finally as others have said Javi always distances himself from Yuzu in his interviews and here at least it makes sense for him to hype the 2 main stars at his show with the GOAT title.

by Anonymousreply 367October 24, 2018 4:43 AM

Yagudin won his Olympic title with two terrific skates, unlike the splatfest known as Hanyu.

by Anonymousreply 368October 24, 2018 6:09 AM

There was a second Hanyu gold medal, R368, in case you missed it (February 2018), and it wasn't a splatfest. How did Yagudin's second set of gold medal performances work out?

by Anonymousreply 369October 24, 2018 7:02 AM

Oh c'mon, Plush is skating in his show. Of course he "thinks" Plush is the best. Same with Yuna. It's not rocket science.

by Anonymousreply 370October 24, 2018 9:06 AM

r369 You're talking to a troll - check out previous post, repeating the same thing, making mistake in a simple name, the definitionnof a troll. Just put on ignore.

by Anonymousreply 371October 24, 2018 9:13 AM

R371 Exactly. I have it blocked so I can't we what it's spouting again but probably some bullcrap as usual.

by Anonymousreply 372October 24, 2018 9:20 AM

This thread has now turned into a juvenile borefest of 'my fav skater is better than yours'. Lets move on already and agree that they all suck in varying degrees. Yes even Hanyu. Nobody is perfect. Anyone have some actual gossip we can discuss? If not then maybe predictions for skate canada? I think the lineup is more interesting than SA. I've got my popcorn ready for those UR calls.

by Anonymousreply 373October 24, 2018 9:20 AM

I'm curious if Tukt's 3 axel will be called UR. Pretty sure it will.

by Anonymousreply 374October 24, 2018 9:24 AM

SC looks like an easy win for Uno. If Cha doesn't screw up, he should get on the podium too. Wonder if it's possible for Cha to make the GPF. If he got second here and 4th in Finland, then he'd get a chance.

Women are unpredictable: Med's newly acquired inconsitency, Higuchi's injury, Tuk's relatively good form. Any of them could win. But whoo, if the panel is remotely as harsh as SA, Med's Lz is gonna get her dragged down. Who knows, maybe Tursy will win. Or one of the other Japanese.

Fun!

by Anonymousreply 375October 24, 2018 9:39 AM

SA musings

Three Canadians, Messing, Nguyen, Sadovsky - will all be there. After Reynolds bombed at SA, will one of those break out as the future Canadian star? I assume most bets are on midget Messing, but big boy Sadovsky did win bronze at Autumn Int'l and made quite the impression manhandling and ogling our boy Yuzu lol. I love that video where Yuzu slaps him on his arm when he can't stop staring at him long enough to get his medal put around his neck. In men, Canada's worse off than we are. With women? WTF knows who's worse lol, North America suck as a whole.

And will Eteri be with Tursy - and Orser with Med? It would be so funny if Med lost to her (or to anybody, I guess.) You know, I like her, she's just a kid, and all, but for some reason, I tend to root for whoever's up against Med. I just don't like her skating and feels she's been overscored for too long. I also don't like Brian rubbing it in with the Sambo jacket, the flag, and especially his put-downs of Trusova and other Russian wunderkinder (after bragging about Gogo.) I think it's time for a comeuppance but I'll probably be disappointed. Oh well, at least I'm excited to see SC - and I'll be rooting for Junhwan to do well.

by Anonymousreply 376October 24, 2018 9:42 AM

* SC musings... I really need to shut up (thanks for the heads up about the troll R371)

by Anonymousreply 377October 24, 2018 9:45 AM

But it was splatfest in 2014, Hanyu ubers and because of splatfest of Chen , he won in 2018. Complicated

by Anonymousreply 378October 24, 2018 11:16 AM

Maybe I have it all wrong about Javier being annoyed at Yuzu. Maybe he really is that deeply in denial. Supposedly in that picture he was trying to reach for Nam. Strange way to go about it. Or maybe I'm simply spending too much time on this yuzuvier shipper twitter. Probably the latter.

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by Anonymousreply 379October 24, 2018 11:37 AM

R379 I think you're reading too deep into it, like the Yuzuvier shippers that think every gesture and glance of Javier's towards Yuzu is a secret message of love. It's not.

by Anonymousreply 380October 24, 2018 12:49 PM

R379. This is the first time seeing those pictures. When was this?

R380. lol. The shippers are funny though. I get it on my tl sometimes but thank goodness not very often.

by Anonymousreply 381October 24, 2018 1:31 PM

R381 GPF 2015

by Anonymousreply 382October 24, 2018 1:36 PM

actually I think it was WC 2015

by Anonymousreply 383October 24, 2018 2:00 PM

R382 Looks more like 2014 judging by Yuzu's costume. R380 Yeah, you are probably right. It's just funny because I personally tend to see Javi as not very nice towards Yuzu but then I get completely opposite points of view like the ones of that shipper and it's interesting to compare.

by Anonymousreply 384October 24, 2018 2:00 PM

It's from WC 2015 in Shanghai. I agreed Yuzuvier shippers are reading too deep into stuffs like that. They're overanalyzing every gestures and glance. To me, it's just very normal, even more normal than Yuzuru's holding Sadovsky's hands.

by Anonymousreply 385October 24, 2018 2:24 PM

Oh damn I missed the one with Yuzu holding Roman's hands! Was it as "normal" as Zach grabbing Yuzu's pelvic region? (this never gets old to me - sorry - I'm 12)

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by Anonymousreply 386October 24, 2018 2:34 PM

Lakernik's response to Tom Z's comments.

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by Anonymousreply 387October 24, 2018 2:38 PM

R387 So even ISU realizes there's something wrong with "quality" of replays. I guess we can expect better camera quality in 50 years then.

by Anonymousreply 388October 24, 2018 2:44 PM

So he should pre rotate. This is cheating, but judges doesnt care, so he should prerotate. Whats the problem. Eteri teach her students to start rotating on the ice , because if they wouldnt , Trusova or Anna would never rotate 4 rotations in the air and in the end they ' d end up with UR. Eteri is smart . Vincent or Satoko should think about it.

by Anonymousreply 389October 24, 2018 2:47 PM

R389 Unless you're blind, you should have known Satoko is one of skaters who are famous for pre rotated jumps. The height and length she gets on her jumps even aren't emough for a double, much less a triple.

by Anonymousreply 390October 24, 2018 3:10 PM

R390 So she prerotates and underotates ? Does she even do 1 rotation in the air? Because she gets UR from the judges. And they say that judges dosnt care about pre rotations overall.

by Anonymousreply 391October 24, 2018 3:18 PM

Why aren't tech panel allowed to replay or call out take offs? That's like assuming all take offs are correct? Or that pre rotations are allowed? Or that pre rot is something a judge should spot and it's not the job of the tech panel?

by Anonymousreply 392October 24, 2018 3:20 PM

Have some sassy Yuzu and dumb Nobu because this uncalled pre-rotation thing is pissing me off so much I might get an ulcer from the unfairness.

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by Anonymousreply 393October 24, 2018 5:08 PM

Phil Hersh article on Jason Brown at TCC. Does he have exclusive access to TCC skaters or what? Phil is looking for a new gig. He was sucking up to Jonathan Beyer of all people on twitter the other day. I'm partial to Jason. I hope the focus on landing a 4s doesn't mess up the rest of his skating. HIghlights:

"To go on, Brown realized he needed to make a dramatic change, to take more charge of planning his career after a season in which, without giving details, he felt pulled in different directions by U.S. Figure Skating, by his coach, Kori Ade, and by his own ideas."

He told Kori face to face about the coaching change but things aren't great between them.

"Orser has been reworking Brown’s jump technique, hoping to find the method that will allow him to land a fully-rotated quadruple jump for the first time in competition."

"Orser, 1984 and 1988 Olympic singles silver medalist, was taught a jump technique that was like climbing onto a step and rotating on the way down from there, which worked fine when triple jumps were the limit. Now he teaches the opposite: starting to rotate on the way up, beginning with the skater having his feet together under him on the takeoff to facilitate the earlier rotation. Brown said he also is working on head placement and using the core differently than he had on jumps in the past. Wilson, meanwhile, is teaching him a different style of basic skating skills, including stroking."

He's looking at it as a 4 year project.

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by Anonymousreply 394October 24, 2018 5:19 PM

Replacements for Kostner in GPs

Helsinki: Hanul Kim

France: Alexia Paganini

by Anonymousreply 395October 24, 2018 5:22 PM

R395 If you add Hanul's and Alexia's ages together, they're just a year older than Kostner

by Anonymousreply 396October 24, 2018 5:25 PM

Kori should be grateful that Jason stuck it out with her as long as he did. Nobody would know who she is if not for Jason.

by Anonymousreply 397October 24, 2018 5:26 PM

R397 After his disastrous US Nats, it's understandable he'd want to make a change (and maybe he should have done it years ago). He deserves better than those David Wilson programs though. Why does TCC stick all the newbies with DW? Is it some sort of hazing ritual?

by Anonymousreply 398October 24, 2018 5:30 PM

Does Jason have a sports psychologist?

by Anonymousreply 399October 24, 2018 5:43 PM

R396 I was at school with their mother!

by Anonymousreply 400October 24, 2018 5:56 PM

Does Kori only have Lecavelier right now?

by Anonymousreply 401October 24, 2018 5:57 PM

Young Javi was really really cute. Dammit.

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by Anonymousreply 402October 24, 2018 6:27 PM

R402 Young Javi was a dish. I hear exposure to vagina ages you prematurely. Such a shame.

by Anonymousreply 403October 24, 2018 6:48 PM

[quote]Does Kori only have Lecavelier right now?

Hello! I exist?!!

by Anonymousreply 404October 24, 2018 7:07 PM

r402/r403 He really did age poorly from 2014-2018. How bad is he going to look in another 4?

[bold] Skate Canada predictions [/bold]

1.Uno 2. Cha 3. Messing

1.Medvedeva 2. Tuktamysheva 3. Tursynbaeva

1.Hubbell/Donohue 2.Gilles/Poirier 3.Smart/Diaz

1.James/Cipres 2. Peng/Jin 3. Moore-Tower/Marinaro

R375 I think Med just looked ill prepared for competition. She seemed to have to think about the choreography still. A few extra weeks of practice should close up the gaps.

R376 Brian wears jackets for a lot of his students. It could be interpreted as a snub if he didn’t wear Med’s jacket too. Seems he would be better off with just a general TCC jacket.

R398 haven’t Wilson, Orser, and Ghislain been friends for like 20 years? Maybe Orser likes to use Wilson because he trusts him or friendship blinded Orser from Wilson’s shortcomings

[bold] about pre/under rotation[/bold]

R392 The tech handbook only says that they can’t watch take offs in slow mo, not that they can’t replay it. Seems illogical to specify that for the take off but not the landing since the landing is a lot easier to see. My best guess is that ISU is more worried about slowing down the competition than fairness.

I think step 1, and the easiest thing, to work toward resolving the issues is for the ISU to be more explicit in their wording of the handbook ( r324 ). The ISU needs to explicitly state whether both the landing and take-off are considered for ur/downgrades, at what point rotation is counted as starting and ending, and whether the full body needs to be fully turned around. As I said earlier, it’s possible that Tom Z is interpreting the rules correctly, which, alongside the lack of slo mo vid, would help explain why the calls are made they are.

However, if Tom Z’s interpretation is correct, then the rules are completely illogical.

If it’s true, [bold] a) [/bold] a jump pre-rotated 180 degrees but landed 100% backwards is fully downgraded. [bold] b) [/bold] But, if it’s only 179 degrees pre-rotated then landed 89 degrees short on landing, it gets full BV. [bold] In sum [/bold] a [bold] a) [/bold] 3.5 turn attempt at a 4 lutz starts at a BV of 5.9 but a [bold] b) [/bold] 3.26 turn attempt at a 4 lutz starts at a BV of 11.5

Huh?

Though it’s certainly possible that the ISU had their heads up their asses when making the rules and didn’t think it through.

by Anonymousreply 405October 24, 2018 7:14 PM

ISU is notorious for bad writing, including the rules

Have you seen their Congress this summer? At one point they were about to vote on a rule change...which was wrongly written on the screen behind them.

by Anonymousreply 406October 24, 2018 7:21 PM

Thanks for sharing the Jason Brown profile, R394. It's going to be an uphill battle, but I wish him all the best in his efforts.

by Anonymousreply 407October 24, 2018 7:24 PM

My predictions

1.Uno 2.Cha 3. Messing

1.Medvedeva 2. Tuktamysheva 3. Tursynbaeva

1.Hubbell/Donohue 2.Gilles/Poirier 3.Sininstina/Katsalapov

1.James/Cipres 2. Moore-Tower/Marinaro 3, Peng/Jin (or Boikova/Kozlovski)

by Anonymousreply 408October 24, 2018 7:28 PM

R405 - I was only referring to Evgenia's Instagram post that showed her leaning up against Brian, with him facing away from the camera, and the back of his jacket said Sambo 70. I thought that was a sort of message "Fuck You Eteri". I agree that he definitely SHOULD wear her jacket (well, preferably a jacket that says Russia instead of one that says Sambo because isn't that a studio (or whatever you call it) instead of representing the whole country? Isn't Med no longer a Sambo student??

Well, I can't make sense anymore - but yeah, he should wear a Russia jacket for her, like he wears a Spanish one for Javi, a Japanese one for Yuzu, etc. Or if he could get away with a TCC one, yes, that would make his life easier lol. But I still don't get why he should EVER wear a Sambo jacket (other than to screw with Eteri's mind).

I hope you guys are predicting right that Cha will be on that podium! I'd like to see Sadovsky there too but maybe he's not in Messing's league.

by Anonymousreply 409October 24, 2018 7:32 PM

R409 Brian was wearing a Sambo jacket? It sounds like he needs to take a break from coaching.

by Anonymousreply 410October 24, 2018 7:39 PM

* I meant I think Orser should wear Med's jacket at comps - but not in Instagram posts designed to rub it in Eteri's face.

by Anonymousreply 411October 24, 2018 7:39 PM

Yes! Here's the Instagram post with Brian and Med and he's got on a jacket that clearly says SAMBO on it. It was pretty soon after Zhenya started at TCC (though the photo seems to be at some other rink)

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by Anonymousreply 412October 24, 2018 7:45 PM

MY memory might serve me wrong, but don’t the coaches only wear the country team uniform during Olympics? That sambo jacket picture does seem quite over the top. Too much hardsell of how amazing this coach-student relationship is when they practically got all the North Americans on their side already.

by Anonymousreply 413October 24, 2018 7:48 PM

Med is still affiliated with Sambo though, so what's the big deal?

by Anonymousreply 414October 24, 2018 7:48 PM

R414 Orse is one of Sambo's coaches ?

by Anonymousreply 415October 24, 2018 7:51 PM

Yes, Med is still affiliated with Sambo-70 the club. R414, you’re right, it’s certainly not a big deal. It’s just one of the many small things that this team has done that have rubbed some ppl in the wrong way and everything just piles up. It’s really not necessary for Med/Bo to throw in so much drama effect to constantly remind others how amazing this new coaching relationship is. But I guess it’s up to them how they like to run this show, many ppl love these cheesy stuff and for those who can’t bare it should just stay away from their SNS accounts. That’s been working quite well for me so far.

by Anonymousreply 416October 24, 2018 8:17 PM

I can't even remember the timeline -- but if I'm right, Adam Rippon had both Brian Orser and Rafael Artyunyan as his coaches. If he went from Brian to Rafael, would it makes sense for Rafael to pose for a photo wearing a jacket that said Toronto Cricket Club on the back of it? And Adam would still be affiliated with TCC even after switching to Raf's club in Los Angeles?

I'm really confused.

by Anonymousreply 417October 24, 2018 8:24 PM

R417 It doesn't make sense. And I don't get why so many are keen to defend obnoxious behaviour coming from Brian when they wouldn't tolerate it coming from another coach.

by Anonymousreply 418October 24, 2018 8:30 PM

R417 No, even Raf has more class than to do something as tacky as that.

by Anonymousreply 419October 24, 2018 8:32 PM

R418 Brian better watch himself. He's in serious danger of pissing off the Skate Gods with his behavior.

by Anonymousreply 420October 24, 2018 8:34 PM

R417 The club a skater represents can be different from the one where they train. For example, Nathan (Salt Lake City FSC) and Michael (VSK Technika Brno) represent different clubs, even though they both train with Raf. Same for Jason (Skokie Valley FSC) and Med (Sambo-70). Just because Adam moved from Brian to Ghislain to Raf doesn't necessarily mean he changed club representation.

by Anonymousreply 421October 24, 2018 8:42 PM

Rippon is always SC of New York even if he hasn't probably been there in ages

by Anonymousreply 422October 24, 2018 8:53 PM

Assuming Chen/Hanyu/Kolyada/Jin/Uno all get into GPF, who do you think will fill in the remaining 1 spot?

We've got Brzezina and Voronov who did well at SA - Brzezina is unlikely to finish higher than 5th in Finland though, but Voronov has a chance too get silver/bronze at Rostelecom. There's Cha, who could get silver at SC and as high as 4th in Finland. There's Messing who also could get silver at SC - he's Canadian after all - and as high as 3rd at NHK. Then there's Aliev who could get silver at NHK and up to 2nd in France. I'd rate their chances in this order: Aliev, Messing, Cha, Voronov, Brezina.

Any wildcards? Jason Brown?

by Anonymousreply 423October 24, 2018 8:54 PM

Just like Hanyu doesn't represent TCSCC but ANA, but he still wears TCSCC/Team Cricket clothes off camera. Correct me somebody if I'm wrong but Sambo-70 has other non Eteri affiliated coaches and programs and they get goverment funding (probably atleast partly based on their results) so they would want to keep Med in their team even if to just get bragging rights if she does well. The fact that they sent Orser his own jacket seems to indicate that he is also a Sambo-70 coach now. Who knows maybe they pay him something for Meds training like how I think ANA pays Hanyus (tough ANA seems to pay all of Hanyus training expenses).

by Anonymousreply 424October 24, 2018 9:01 PM

R424 I know this is besides the point you're trying to make, but I think Hanyu actually represents TCSCC now. It used to be ANA Minato Tokyo. When did this change? I wonder how these club changes work.

by Anonymousreply 425October 24, 2018 9:11 PM

R425 I don't think he could represent TCSCC at Japans nationals. I'm not from Japan but at least in my country and other countries systems that I know of you have to have a club that is based on that country if you want to skate at a national level. Back in Septembere he was still using an ANA jacket during the media day.

by Anonymousreply 426October 24, 2018 9:20 PM

R426 ANA, the airline (and his sponsor) is different from ANA Minato, I think. TCSCC is listed as his club in his ISU bio. I'm not sure about the representation rules though.

DIRT CZAR??

by Anonymousreply 427October 24, 2018 9:25 PM

r418 I defend Brian because I'd defend other coaches as well (I can't recall how many times I defended Eteri). People here always think and say shit about others, make a huge deal out of irrelevant things. Especially if something slights Hanyu in their little brains. Like Javier being "not nice to Yuzu" because he said the Plushenko, who is a part of his show, is the best skater. Despite the fact that whenever they're seen together they're nothing but affectionate to each other and that Javier played the pre-Oly lets-play-down-Hanyu's-condition game like a champ. Or like Orser not caring for Hanyu because he's most proud of his work on Javier. Or like Med wearing sheer tights in order to attract Hanyu. Or like Med being dumb and evil asking TCC to pose with a flag when she actually had a very good reason to do so.

People here are obsessive and loony and determined to see the worst, no matter how illogical. Someone has to a be a voice of reason sometimes.

r424 Anna Tsareva is a Sambo coach - she has Pogorilaya and last seen with Panenkova.

Jason Brown represents  Skokie Valley FSC at the moment in his ISU bio. Medvedeva - Sambo. Junhwan Cha - TCC. Yuzu - TCC.

by Anonymousreply 428October 24, 2018 9:26 PM

He represents TCC to do what ? To compete at Canadian Nationals ? No one representing a Canadian club competes at Japanese Nationals. That he trains at TCC isn't necessarily he represents TCC.

by Anonymousreply 429October 24, 2018 9:27 PM

I appreciate all the information on how club/country representation works. I had no idea (only started watching skating since Pyeongchang) - well I watched back in Johnny Weir's day but there was no Internet and I never thought about any of the details - hardly understood that they even had coaches back then. So if Brian is a Sambo coach because he has one of their students in his keep, so to speak, then the jacket makes sense. I did wonder how she had one that would fit Brian - surely he wears a different size than Zhenya lol.

by Anonymousreply 430October 24, 2018 9:30 PM

Brian is not a sambo-70 coach, Yuzu does not represent TCC.

by Anonymousreply 431October 24, 2018 9:35 PM

R428 I agree with most of what you're saying, but I think you're conflating the Med hate with the Hanyu love. Some of the creepiest Med haters here are actually not the Hanyu lovers.

R429 R431 Look at his ISU bio.

by Anonymousreply 432October 24, 2018 9:36 PM

As someone else said. Yuzu's sponsor is ANA and he was wearing the ANA jacket during media day among others but his club affiliation is TCC and in the behind the scenes of his continues ice show you could see him wear the TCC jacket. During competitions he wears team Japan jacket usually. To be honest with all the skaters he is dealing with, if I were Orser I wouldn't bother with wearing the club or country jacket for each and everyone of them. Unless he has to. Anyway have some unrelated to the topic cute and 'straight' Hanyu because I can.

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by Anonymousreply 433October 24, 2018 9:39 PM

He trains at TCC isn't necessarily he represents TCC. Internationally, he represents Japan, nationally, he represents ANA.

by Anonymousreply 434October 24, 2018 9:44 PM

I love how they dress Yuzu up like a doll in all those ads for Ghana Chocolate and Xylitol toothpaste, etc., whatever the stuff is. I don't know how to link to it, but there's a Yuzu picture for a Ghana ad that doesn't even look like him. (well, I can link to an article with the picture - it's the fourth one if you scroll down - do you think the real Yuzu looks better or the photoshopped idealized Yuzu?

And back to the jackets, it's turned into a "Who's on first?" sketch. Even if the jacket is perfectly fine, I think that photo is a bit suspect, but then, I don't know the reason for it -- like the reason for the big flag eventually turned up (the Russian article where she was accused of dissing the flag).

I don't think Hanyu fans hate Med. Some of them were the shippers! either as best friends or more. She's one of the few skaters, especially female, that he seemed to goof off with at galas and such. And I complain about Med's skating - I hope that doesn't classify me as a hater. I hope she's happy - I want everybody to be happy. Even Dai. Can't wait till he skates at Nationals and I hope he does well. (well - I do still hate Evan Lysacek but that's another time another story...)

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by Anonymousreply 435October 24, 2018 9:56 PM

Why would Trump supporters watch figure skating in the first place and if they do why do they stan Nathan when there is an out of this raw world talent, a diamond in the rough with all the right sns quotes to please them, called Vincent Z.

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by Anonymousreply 436October 24, 2018 9:58 PM

R436 Not to defend the Trumpers or anything, but that doesn't sound like it was written by a native English speaker.

by Anonymousreply 437October 24, 2018 10:02 PM

it reads a bit like Dai-troll.

by Anonymousreply 438October 24, 2018 10:04 PM

R428 The voice of reason? Honey, you need to chill. If this place is filled with loonies, then you must be one too or you wouldn't hang with us here. You are taking this sport and yourself way too seriously.

by Anonymousreply 439October 24, 2018 10:05 PM

R432, his bio only indicates he trains at TCC. When Yuzu competes internationally he represents Japan, when he competes at nationals he represents ANA. That’s it. In Japanese news you will only see him introduced as “Yuzuru Hanyu (ANA)”, TCC will never make it into that bracket. TCC is just a training place for him, he does not represent the club in any way from a competition perspective. Yes sure he wears the TCC jacket sometimes , but he also wears the Sendai icerink gloves all the time, it doesn’t mean he represents Sendai icerink anymore tho.

by Anonymousreply 440October 24, 2018 10:07 PM

R437 Trump himself often doesn't sound like a native English speaker tbh.

by Anonymousreply 441October 24, 2018 10:08 PM

Isn't ANA a sponsor of the whole Team Japan?

r440 I don't think you're entirely correct. The ISU bios list the skating club and training place separately. Jason's skating Club is Skokie Valley FSC whereas his training place is listed as Toronto Canada. So it can't be just a case of incomplete paperwork. So how is the club affiliation significant? If at all? I remember reading while one of the Eteri girls (Tsurskaya?) was leaving and changing clubs it was agreed that if she got any medals half of the credit - and maybe money? - would still go to Sambo-70. So in Russia skating clubs/schools may be getting different funding depending on the results of skaters. It's probably why it was impirtant that Med stay affiliated with Sambo. (I see Brian going all "Hey, you're a part of Sambo-70, omg does that mean I'm a Sambo coach, get me a jacket, I love jackets.) I don't know how club affiliation would be meaningful in countries where skating schools are not state funded though.

r345 I was talking about this thread. There are certainly no Hanyu/Med shippers here.

by Anonymousreply 442October 24, 2018 10:09 PM

This is Shingo Shiniyama at Minto Summer (Canadian sectionals) where he presented JAPAN while his rinkmates Stephan Gogolev and Conrad Orzel represented TCC.

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by Anonymousreply 443October 24, 2018 10:14 PM

R441 So true. I withdraw my statement then.

by Anonymousreply 444October 24, 2018 10:14 PM

R438 I like how you cnnot stop thinking about me , but no, again - wrong. But you know it. so you are not smart or just playing dumb?

by Anonymousreply 445October 24, 2018 10:16 PM

R443 Jesus christ, can you stop repeating this shit over and over again? WE KNOW. The club where they skate is different from the club they represent/are affiliated with. The question people are asking is what club Hanyu is affiliated with right now - it's listed as TCC in his bio. And as R442 pointed out, club affiliation is listed separately from training club in the ISU bio.

by Anonymousreply 446October 24, 2018 10:18 PM

r443 Wtf, what was a representative of Japan doing at Canadian Sectionals?

by Anonymousreply 447October 24, 2018 10:18 PM

R442, yes i realize that they list the training location along with the practice hours info. However in Hanyu’s case, TCC is just a training place for him. I don’t think I’ve ever heard Yuzu being introduced as Yuzuru Hanyu representing the Toronto Cricket and Curling Club in any commentary, or in any articles. With reference to what R443 has posted, the local club representation is often only relevant in domestic comps, so in the case of Conrad and Gogolev they represent TCC, Patrick has always represented Granite Club. And in Hanyu’s case when he competes domestically he would represent ANA his sponsor.

by Anonymousreply 448October 24, 2018 10:20 PM

R447 it is pretty normal for mid or low tier skaters training in Canada to do their National Summer Series. Lots of the Montreal ice dancers also do it. Last year we even had the North Korean pair doing the Quebec Summer Regionals while they were there.

by Anonymousreply 449October 24, 2018 10:21 PM

R446 No ? Did you not see some idiots are still insisting he represents TCC?

by Anonymousreply 450October 24, 2018 10:22 PM

Let’s drop this club representation talk, there’s enough repetitive info going in a dead circle. And I admit I’m guilty of contributing to this endless loop. The whole thing started with Brian wearing that sambo-70 jacket. Whateverz, he’s entitled to do whatever they think will get the buzz. I actually prefer raf’s way working with his new students (much less drama less overhype) but I see some people totally dig any approach coming from the TCC. To each their own.

by Anonymousreply 451October 24, 2018 10:28 PM

R448 Look instead at this line for Hanyu: Start sk. / Club:t1998 / Toronto Cricket Skating & Curling Club

If you look in the same place for Jason, Med and Javi, it will list something different.

R450 No, those people are not idiots, they have a valid question which you clearly aren't comprehending right now.

by Anonymousreply 452October 24, 2018 10:29 PM

r449 That's so weird.

by Anonymousreply 453October 24, 2018 10:30 PM

The big personal secret than Hanyu told Kurt Browning is that he's quitting next season and joinining TCC coaching team, that's wshy it's listed as his club. He'll concentrate on coaching Med and Cha to Olympic gold because he cares about them very much.

by Anonymousreply 454October 24, 2018 10:36 PM

Messing is getting married. It looks she has just come out of a high school of the 90s

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by Anonymousreply 455October 24, 2018 10:37 PM

R454, Kurt you are suppose to pretend you had the intention to bottle up this secret for more than a week. Now hush, only come back and spill more after Skate Canada.

by Anonymousreply 456October 24, 2018 10:44 PM

R454 Really? I heard the secret is that Hanyu is recycling Hello, I love you for this season.

by Anonymousreply 457October 24, 2018 10:44 PM

Japanese Sensation Shoma Uno

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by Anonymousreply 458October 24, 2018 10:49 PM

R458 People mix us up ALL the time. It's really frustrating.

by Anonymousreply 459October 24, 2018 10:51 PM

R457 It could be. His new EX hasn't been revealed yet.

by Anonymousreply 460October 24, 2018 10:56 PM

R460 I was totally kidding. Hopefully, you are too. I thought his EX was already revealed to be Haru yo koi.

by Anonymousreply 461October 24, 2018 10:58 PM

R427 ANA is listed as his skating club on his JSF bio, not TCC.

Med is much more into social media and communicating directly with fans via twitter/IG than Orser’s other star pupils. I think all of the SNS and photo-taking is new to him, and he’s following Med’s lead and trying to appeal to Russian skating fans. Sambo actually does a lot more promotion on social media, but a lot of it's on VK and in Russian, so non-Russians don't notice.

But speaking of photos and SNS, there’s some new gossip today. Josei Seven is coming out with yet another article about Hanyu and Medvedeva (who they called a “niowase kanojo,” a girlfriend or someone pretending to be the girlfriend of a famous person, who drops hints on her social media that they’re dating even though it’s supposed to be a secret). From the title, it sounds like Josei 7 is suggesting Med had been posting photos that hinted at something between her and Hanyu, causing trouble for him. The only photos I can think of that they’d be referring to would be the bracelets and gloves, but that was months ago. Maybe they can’t afford their paparazzo in Canada anymore and they’re short on new material.

by Anonymousreply 462October 24, 2018 11:09 PM

r462 If only Med had know what shit she'd step into with those braceletes. She's the villain not only here but also in Japanese tabloids, lol.

by Anonymousreply 463October 24, 2018 11:29 PM

R462 Thanks. Holy shit! All of that can be described with such a succinct description in Japanese? LOL. Have you had a chance to read that Bungeishunju on Orser you told us about in a previous thread?

by Anonymousreply 464October 24, 2018 11:32 PM

Marin Honda, in an interview on Japanese TV, said she rolled her ankle on the first jump (free skate at Skate America where she just finished 8th this past weekend.)

Now I know why she was rubbing her ankle in the kiss and cry - and Rafael reached down to touch it at one point, while he constantly talked to her and she fought back tears. Her next GP is France Nov 23-25.

by Anonymousreply 465October 25, 2018 1:44 AM

R462. Not surprised. I wonder how much longer they will do this. I don't care about what they are saying about med. She brought it on herself. I just want Hanyu left out of it. He is innocent here. He did nothing wrong.

by Anonymousreply 466October 25, 2018 3:54 AM

I don't like Medvedeva but did she post anything recently that could hint at him? Feels like old news. Although it's weird how that rag keeps coming after Yuzu with this story. I thought that last month after having a paparazzo posted there they concluded they are definitely not dating. Honestly I know Yuzu is sometimes a professional liar, for instance when it comes to his injuries but if he denied it as strongly as he did (the whole ' a Hanyu from another world') only for it to be revealed at some point he was actually dating her all along, he would get so much hate. I have never seen a kpop or jpop idol who lied about dating and then admitted it once pressured by the media for whom the public showed acceptance.

by Anonymousreply 467October 25, 2018 5:50 AM

You are not seriously believing I could ever lie, right anons?

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by Anonymousreply 468October 25, 2018 6:01 AM

R468 I know you lie all the time. You said "Fuck"after finishing your performance but when being asked, you denied and pretended to be innocent.

by Anonymousreply 469October 25, 2018 6:56 AM

If you haven’t had a chance to see it, the making of video for Hanyu and Shuzo Matsuoka’s P&G Thank You, Mom campaign commercial to promote the 2020 Tokyo Olympics:

R465 Honda also said that her ankle already felt strange before practice that morning.

R462 “Niowase kanojo (or onna)” is one of the most popular expressions of the year! And very useful. I haven’t picked up that copy of Bungei yet. I only buy their magazine once a year and was hoping someone would eventually post the article. From what I know, it’s just a feel-good story about how Orser is proud of Hanyu’s accomplishments and supportive relationship with his training mate.

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by Anonymousreply 470October 25, 2018 7:38 AM

R463 There have been other articles about her from tabloidy websites in the last few days, but nothing negative or controversial. (In fact, Sputnik Japan and The Answer have always promoted her so heavily that I’d be shocked if they weren’t connected to her agency.) I think they’re trying to drum up interest in her appearance at Skate Canada and Josei 7 needed a short article to fill their issue, so they took advantage in the laziest way possible. TV Asahi was also supposed to air a segment about her on the news Tuesday night, but the broadcast was postponed due to the press conference about the Japanese journalist in Syria:

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by Anonymousreply 471October 25, 2018 8:23 AM

Well, that title was misleading. I don’t know why I’m surprised, but I’ve read the Josei 7 article and it’s more ridiculous than I thought. They were referring to the recent group photo on Med’s IG.

To summarize: It’s well-known that Medvedeva is a huge Hanyu fan and there have been rumors that she has a crush on him. At Pyeongchang, they were seen getting along (like a “duet”) in the waiting room and their friendship has been reported in the past. Whenever they appeared at the same competitions, she‘d always hang around him and act physically affectionate without hesitation. However, there have also been rumors about Medvedeva and Jason Brown, though both have denied they’re in a relationship. When Hanyu fans saw Hanyu in Med’s (Russian flag group) photo, they were traumatized. One fan was quoted saying she was shocked because Medvedeva had deleted all of her photos of Hanyu when she decided to join TCC and it’d seemed like she’d grown closer to Brown instead. Another fan said Med often acts like a “niowase kanojo” and thinks there’s some hidden meaning in having Brown and Hanyu stand next to each other in the photo.

Like some of the posts in this thread, there were grumblings about whether or not it was appropriate to have Hanyu and the other TCC members join in on the Russian flag photo, but not even Hanyu’s craziest ubers have been making the same kind of comments in the “quotes” in that article. Brown pings just as much in Japan as he does everywhere, and the suggestion that Brown and Hanyu standing next to each other in a group photo has spawned conspiracy theories among figure skating fans is absurd (and untrue). Not to mention that Hanyu was in group photos with Med for FaOI and she was in the media day footage. Unsurprisingly, the article failed to mention Hanyu’s strong denial of his involvement with Med, and I don’t remember Med and Brown having to issue statements about how they’re not together.

On the bright side, no abortion or doping accusations, and it's impressive they came out with the article in their printed magazine so quickly given the photo was only posted a few days ago.

by Anonymousreply 472October 25, 2018 11:20 AM

R472 Thanks for the laugh. It's even more pathetic than I imagined. As for seeing them being close in the waiting room in Pyeongchang and jumping to conclusions, Yuzu was also playing around/teasing the sexy Guillaume there at some point, yet no rumors came out of it (unfortunately as that would be a sexy ass couple).

by Anonymousreply 473October 25, 2018 11:56 AM

Do we think the organizers of the Golden Bear (yes there is an international competition called Golden Bear, in Zagreb) love exclamation marks?!!!

Their latest message

!!!!! ATTENTION !!!!!

The draw for senior men, advanced novices girls and boys will be held at the ice rink Velesajam at 16:00!!!

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Looking at the entries....Paul Fentz should win Senior Men. Senior Lady may go to Aliev's girlfriend if she bothered training recently when not busy to take selfies.

Ah they offer a free livestream. How gracious!

There is another competition also in Romania, the Crystal Skate. The entry list is even worse than the Golden Bear

by Anonymousreply 474October 25, 2018 11:59 AM

Thanks for the info on Josei7 R472. I'm inclined to agree with you said in your final paragraph - nothing nasty like the doping/abortion stuff. It sounds like they made an article out of nothing - knew it was nothing - but had to write about Hanyu/Med whenever possible and the flag picture gave them something to go on - but it really didn't. It seems obvious she just grabbed up whoever was at TCC and was willing and stuck them in the photo - probably after everyone found out about the article calling her out for disrespecting the Russian flag or whatever it was. A solidarity with the maligned girl at no real cost.

Am I misunderstanding or are some fans shipping Jason and Yuzuru ? I've probably missed a lot but this is the first time I've even seen those two in a photograph together - and again, it was staged for a purpose and it looks like everyone who happened to be there gathered round for the picture. It may have 'some' significance when it comes to how Russians are handling Med going to a Canadian coach - but I can't see how anybody could turn this into any kind of personal scandal. There's just been nothing with Med/Hanyu since she went there - and a clear buddy rel'ship between the two newbies Jason and Med who are helping each other out adjusting.

by Anonymousreply 475October 25, 2018 12:13 PM

[quote]Yuzu was also playing around/teasing the sexy Guillaume there at some point,

Where is the video evidence of this!!! I want to see!!! What do you mean by waiting room? Like where they warm up?

by Anonymousreply 476October 25, 2018 2:31 PM

R436 - can i see that video where that comment is? not that i don't believe it, but....yeah, i don't believe it. R455 - dude no, no! It's bad luck to propose before a competition! didn't you see what happened to JJ? So far Med looks like is milking every bit of extra popularity that her new connection with Hanyu has given her, good for you girl! Probably I'm the only one who doesn't know this but who is Aliev's gf?

by Anonymousreply 477October 25, 2018 3:03 PM

r477 For fuck's sake.

[quote]are some fans shipping Jason and Yuzuru ?

Lol, what. I know they both ping but seriously.

by Anonymousreply 478October 25, 2018 3:12 PM

[quote] Probably I'm the only one who doesn't know this but who is Aliev's gf?

Alisa FEDICHKINA. She turned 16 this year. But she is getting lost in the sea of Russian girls

by Anonymousreply 479October 25, 2018 3:15 PM

thanks, R479. She and Dima make a cute couple.

by Anonymousreply 480October 25, 2018 3:34 PM

R478. LOL! I have not seen that ship at all. Pretty funny though. . It's a wtf moment

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by Anonymousreply 481October 25, 2018 3:54 PM

SKATE CANADA Technical Panels

Men and Ladies

Technical Controller: Mrs Hermi Otteman (Netherlands)

Technical Specialists: Mr Jayson Peace (Canada) and Mrs Heather Celestine Lehnert (Germany)

Pairs

Technical Controller: Mr Igor Prokop (Slovakia)

Technical Specialists: Mr David Kirby (USA) and Mr Mariusz Siudek (Poland)

Ice Dance:

Technical Controller: Mrs Julia Andrea (Russia)

Technical Specialists: Mrs Francesca Fermi (Italy) and Mr Gyorgy Elek (Hungary)

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Peace was 9th at Canadian Nationals in 1998...I think that's his peak... I don't know Lehnert

Kirby won Novice at US Nationals in the 70s but it's another one who didn't make it through as Senior, I think. On the other hand, Mariusz Siudek is a World and Euro medallist

Fermi was an ice dancer in late 90s. She did Euros and Worlds for a couple pf seasons. Struggling to be top 20. Gyorgy Elek was around a decade ago, similar level to Fermi. His brother was stronger.

by Anonymousreply 482October 25, 2018 4:00 PM

Any practice reports from SC?

by Anonymousreply 483October 25, 2018 4:02 PM

R475 There's no shipping of Hanyu with Brown. (No one goes there as much as the people here do.) The "fan" (someone who probably doesn't exist) was saying Med was trying to send a message about the nature of her relationship with Hanyu by having him stand next to Brown in the photo. It's a very weird comment.

by Anonymousreply 484October 25, 2018 4:17 PM

R483 This account has practice notes and videos

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by Anonymousreply 485October 25, 2018 4:25 PM

Med cut her hair? No Pantene endorsement renewal for her I guess.

Who's skating to Paint It Black? Med's training clothes would actually make a good costume for that song.

by Anonymousreply 486October 25, 2018 4:33 PM

R483

Sorry, I realized that posting the link just gives you the video and not the actual account. This is the account posting practice notes:

https : // twitter .com / kattwts

Here's another:

https : // twitter . com/ luckyyloopss

Can't vouch for quality or taste so don't kill me!!

by Anonymousreply 487October 25, 2018 4:42 PM

Look at this judgey little queen.

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by Anonymousreply 488October 25, 2018 4:47 PM

Any watchable Pairs / Ice Dance in Helsinki ?

by Anonymousreply 489October 25, 2018 4:47 PM

r489 There will be the cancer dance. MacNamara/Carpenter are watchable, Hurtado/Khaliavin, Stepanove/Bukin. Won't set the scores high, but ok to watch.

Ryom/Kim are watchable and Della Monica/Guarise. Zabijako/Enbert are set to win but I wouldn't describe them as watchable.

by Anonymousreply 490October 25, 2018 4:55 PM

So any history about the SC judging panel? Anyone likely to give freebies or hammer the skaters?

Otherwise this will be a boring event.

Btw, can't wait to see what else the Med ubers say and how the judges score her tango especially when we've just had Satoko last week.

by Anonymousreply 491October 25, 2018 5:50 PM

Veronik Mallet (CAN) WD for medical reasons. She aggravated a previous foot injury. She was one of the replacements after the WD of Austman and Daleman.

by Anonymousreply 492October 25, 2018 6:23 PM

R488. I love "straight" Hanyu. Thanks for sharing that one. This is the first time seeing that photo.

by Anonymousreply 493October 25, 2018 6:27 PM

R470 Hot dad Matsuoka is always appreciated, but I liked last year's behind the scenes montage better because it included hot clickboard guy with the backwards cap.

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by Anonymousreply 494October 25, 2018 6:40 PM

youtube practice stream for SKCAN

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by Anonymousreply 495October 25, 2018 7:13 PM

Men's SP starting order

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by Anonymousreply 496October 25, 2018 7:23 PM

Ladies SP start order

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by Anonymousreply 497October 25, 2018 7:24 PM

Judges panels

Men: no surprise here. 12 skaters from 9 countries. The usual practice is to ask Feds with a skaters invited to nominate a judge. All 9 Feds nominated one. So all men have their national judge on the panel. Sadly for Shoma France sent Antony Leroy and not Philippe Meriguet

Ladies: the 12 skaters come from 5 different countries. So organizers/ISU had to fill the panel with 4 other countries. They recycled the Korean judge from the man panel and the Spanish judge from the Dance panel. And then they invited Italian and Dutch judge

Pairs: the 6 countries with a skater have a judge. The additional 3 are the Swedish woman from the Men panel and the Dutch and Italian judges

Dance: China didn't send a judge for Wang/Liu (the judge they sent for Pairs doesn't have qualification to judge Dance). The Israel judge from Men panel and the Kazak judge sent for Tursy have been added along with the Dutch one.

by Anonymousreply 498October 25, 2018 10:10 PM

The Chinese judge is the only one not used twice among the Single/Pairs judge present (apart from the Canadians because the host country usually invite as many own judges as possible as the travel expenses are limited). Instead the Dutch man will judge three times in the same day (Ladies, Pairs and Dance).

The Chinese woman is the one who also judge at Japan Open and some of you highlighted her marks IIRC

by Anonymousreply 499October 25, 2018 10:40 PM

R499 You're right about the Chinese judge. She gave very generous scores to most of the top skaters - Shoma and Nathan in particular.

by Anonymousreply 500October 25, 2018 11:01 PM

It seems Yuzuru likes to judge everything and everyone around him. A la Regina George 'oh my god I love your skirt! Where did you get it!'

by Anonymousreply 501October 26, 2018 1:34 AM

Strange thing. I was doing a search for Hanyu "Let's Go Crazy" pics when I came across this article on Nathan's Olympic short. For some reason I've never seen it be a point of conversation or noticed it myself before, but between the frame by frame pics on this article and the recent conversations about Vincent's jumps, I realized that Nathan often under-rotates his quads around the quarter mark. I re-watched his worlds performance and several of his jumps were short on landing. I wonder if the new rule change is why he and Raf decided to cut back on the number of quads.

Another thing I didn't notice until today. I was so focused on watching the landing of Vincent's flip on Tom Z's facebook that I didn't even notice that Vincent leaves the ice forward on that jump. All their whining on the under-rotation call when they should be grateful Vincent didn't get it downgraded.

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by Anonymousreply 502October 26, 2018 5:27 AM

The fruits of my labor

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by Anonymousreply 503October 26, 2018 5:28 AM

R502

[quote]I realized that Nathan often under-rotates his quads around the quarter mark.

I'm curious about this, but don't quite get what you mean. Can you explain a little bit? Sorry if I'm just being slow.

by Anonymousreply 504October 26, 2018 5:35 AM

r504 you can see in the pictures on the article that his blade is sideways on the landing- that's what caused the fall/step out.

For some reason, I always recognized that Nathan often had poor quality jumps but never looked that closely at why they were so poor quality - I always attributed it to stiff knees and didn't give it another thought until this past weekend when I noticed that the reason he's flailing on the landing is because he's landing short and having to do a balance check.

If you watch the world's short, on both the quads, his blade lands at an angle and then he quickly turns backward.

Last year, a quarter short was ok. But this year, it reduces the base value so it might be that he and Raf don't want to risk adding a quad unless they're pretty sure he can rotate it past the quarter.

by Anonymousreply 505October 26, 2018 5:46 AM

Sorry for the 'slut shaming' but for a moment I genuinely thought it was her new sp costume and the ladies event had happened already.

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by Anonymousreply 506October 26, 2018 5:52 AM

R505 Thanks for explaining. LOL I had a brain fart. For some reason, when you said quarter mark, I thought you were saying there was something wrong with his first rotation. Yeah, I thought his 4lz was at the quarter mark at SKAM as well, but he didn't get called for it (though others here thought it was within 1/4 I guess).

by Anonymousreply 507October 26, 2018 5:54 AM

R502 I completely agree. I've noticed this for awhile too, but it's usually pretty close with him and he doesn't have the UR reputation like Vincent does. I highly doubt he'll start getting called for them unless it becomes more obvious. I feel like he'll add the quads when he gets a better feel for his program, his training situation settles and he is more confident he can land the jumps (that is, just staying on his feet, not whether they are rotated within 1/4). I'm all for video replays even if it slows down the competitions. I'm sick of these cheater jumps going unnoticed.

by Anonymousreply 508October 26, 2018 6:07 AM

Vincent turns 18!

And he posted

govincentzhou 17 brought me more joy, pain, victory, and defeat than I've ever known. It's really hard to believe how much I've grown and changed in just one year, which seems like an eternity yet simultaneously flickers by in the blink of an eye. I'm determined not to let time slip by without my pursuit of self-betterment making a difference every day. A difference in not just my life, but hopefully the lives of people around the world. Maybe not today, but one day. Believe. - At 4PM EST today, I turned 18. Although only one day older, I feel a lot more of the world falling on my shoulders; yet at the same time it is uplifting. Part of that is the love and support I have received from you guys today, and for that I am so grateful. Thank you so much for the birthday wishes, and let's journey together into a new year!

by Anonymousreply 509October 26, 2018 6:09 AM

R502 And within the new rules, it's important to skate clean, not just rotate the jumps. I think that's why Nate and Raf are pulling back on the quads at the beginning of the season - they want to gradually build on the clean skates.

by Anonymousreply 510October 26, 2018 6:11 AM

R509 Wonderful. Now we know the exact moment Vincent fell out of his mom's vagina.

by Anonymousreply 511October 26, 2018 6:14 AM

R509 I refuse to believe that someone would write like this unironically. What if Vincent is just trolling everyone with his sns posts?

by Anonymousreply 512October 26, 2018 7:17 AM

A very insightful interview with Boyang (Vincent's inverse?)

Q to Boyang: You and Shoma are the same age. What kind of skater do you think he is? --

Boyang: First of all, Shoma is cute! He is more charming than he is handsome. I don’t talk much. He doesn’t talk much. But anyway, he looks super cute to me. –

Q: How about Nathan? --

Boyang: All three of us don’t talk much. I think we are rather similar to each other in character.

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by Anonymousreply 513October 26, 2018 8:01 AM

According to the women who do that In the Loop podcast, Nathan under rotated at least two jumps at SA--the lutz and 3A. They were critical about the lack of consistency in calling UR jumps--i.e., if you're going to be strict with one skater, you need to be strict with all the skaters.

by Anonymousreply 514October 26, 2018 11:14 AM

R512 I think Vincent is quite serious when he posts. The problem is that he's posting online for all the world to see what teens used to write privately in their diaries. It's kind of sweet to see such idealism today--he wants to make a positive difference in the world.

by Anonymousreply 515October 26, 2018 11:20 AM

R514 The girls on the loop podcasts are big Hanyu fans. I fully expect Nathan ubers to call them biased on their calls.

Anyway, about that Josei 7 trash article and their quotes and sources, aside from the one photo, what's the likelihood of them making up the fan comments and etc too? Because I think some Fanyus are crazy, but Josei 7 seems likely to pull things out of their asses.

R513 It's nice to see that Boyang is alive. I don't see it the way he does though, about their similar characters. Shoma is aloof so he doesnt talk and he knows he doesn't have to network for people to fawn over him. Nathan seems like he's all serious business in the public all the time and not likely to idly chatter. And Boyang acts his age the most, and perhaps is just shy otherwise. Boyang actually has first-hand interaction with them though, so he's probably right.

by Anonymousreply 516October 26, 2018 1:15 PM

R516 The WOMEN on the Loop podcast were very positive about Nathan's performance at SA. They were pointing out the lack of consistency in tech calls, which is a legitimate criticism. And yes, many of them love Hanyu but that's generally the case for most diehard figure skating fans.

by Anonymousreply 517October 26, 2018 2:50 PM

Dave Lease alert (in case you hate him and want to skip over this post)

He just did a great interview (imo anyway) with Benoit Richaud. My mind is spinning from listening to his strong French accent for over an hour but here's a recap w/time stamps: For 25 minutes or so he tells the story of his life. Lots of zigs and zags but most interesting to me was the 5 years he spent working as a bartender. He said with that job he learned to like people. Before that he didn't - that skating is the kind of thing that separates you from people, so he didn't interact much before that. I couldn't help but think about Yuzu when he talked about how isolating skating was. And recently I watched a long documentary about John Curry - and it's one of the first things he said about himself -- that he was an outcast or misfit and it was because skating separates you from everyone. Anyway, Benoit got hooked up with Mishin, who he looks at as a grandfather (still) and personal friend, and that's what got him on the road to choreography, after being an ice dancer.

26 Denis TEN (he worked with him in 2017 and they did this great program together - but then Ten got injured - couldn't even jump 3As at some point and called to cancel their continued work - and he talks about their last call, not long before Ten was killed - he loved Denis - he's a very loving guy!; 35 BRADIE, he loves her: a humble hard-working simple down-to-earth girl; he said she’s not like other girls in America (I think he's implying spoiled pampered princesses - he name checked Ashley on this personality type) but Bradie's much more of a "dark personality" and he didn't want to use Cinderella but has learned it's never worth fighting about music/costumes with skaters; DAISUKE Takahashi mentioned briefly at 44 (and again at 55, and much longer comments there – about Dai's re-injury – he’s in pain all the time now, was so disappointed at his first skate in Japan and Benoit said most skaters would have just pulled out but Dai forced himself to skate because of the fans - much more about creating his program;

46 KAORI Sakamoto - he loves that girl despite thinking, in the beginning, that she was so un-artistic - but he loves her cheerfulness, her energy, her power, and believes she is able and willing to develop up to the top tier and develop artistry because she's so open and he just went on and on about how joyous and cheerful she is - wonderful to work with; 1.03 ALJONA and Bruno: at 1.08 about Alexa working w/Knierems [I think Benoit said he never works in Russia because he doesn’t like it]; he doesn't know what happened between Aljona and Knierems - he thinks he (Benoit) will be working with the Knierems more in the future; Chatter: his wife will have a baby son in 2 wks; he just went to China, Japan, Chicago in connection with Skate America?); he’s home till early December then back to China to work with Zhao (sp?) pair and a few skaters in China and teach a class for ice dance – he won't work with Sui/Han - then explanation:

1.19 China is strange how they work -- I think he was saying the national team, the Beijing group, and the Harbin group, are like three different national teams without much overlap - anyway, the Chinese fed wants him back and will finish a new rink by December, which shocked him, and the Chinese told him, "We are not like France." (he had joked about this earlier when Aljona told him he was not like a Frenchman because he worked so hard - 12 hour days and such - and he said something like, "Why do they keep picking on me like this about French laziness?") Sorry I was aiming at brevity and don't think I'm capable of it...

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by Anonymousreply 518October 26, 2018 2:52 PM

I think Boyang says none of them talk much because they each speak a different language and actually can't have a proper conversation with each other.

by Anonymousreply 519October 26, 2018 3:15 PM

I was more taken with Boyang emphasizing how cute Shoma was. He didn't say that about Nathan :) I wonder if he has a crush?

by Anonymousreply 520October 26, 2018 3:35 PM

R520 Shoma doesn't give a fuck to anything and his sleepy face made him look dorky. To some people, that's "cute". Nathan is different, I agree with R515 He's all serious business in the public and his fans don't get obsessed with "cuteness" like Yuzuru, Shoma, Boyang's fans.

by Anonymousreply 521October 26, 2018 3:53 PM

R521 puhlease, I get that you're a huge Nathan Stan but I see comments about his cuteness and handsomeness from his fans allll the time. I follow many of them on Twitter.

by Anonymousreply 522October 26, 2018 4:03 PM

R522 If you mean this, yeah he was cute.

I rarely saw any comments about matured Nathan being cute. Handsomeness, sure in fans' eyes, he's a handsome guy.

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by Anonymousreply 523October 26, 2018 4:47 PM

R523 that kid's jump is clearly UR.

by Anonymousreply 524October 26, 2018 5:09 PM

Shoma is wearing PPS. More purple and less sin though.

by Anonymousreply 525October 26, 2018 5:56 PM

82.42 for Daniel Grassl at Golden Bear. I guess they gave him the 4lz as rotated

by Anonymousreply 526October 26, 2018 6:00 PM

Link for livestream from Skate Canada? Pls.

by Anonymousreply 527October 26, 2018 6:28 PM

why ISU stream doesnt work?

by Anonymousreply 528October 26, 2018 6:30 PM

Streaming info here

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by Anonymousreply 529October 26, 2018 7:15 PM

R524, I know, right?? Allowing these juniors to get away with URs at such young ages is what makes them grow up to be professional UR-ers!!

by Anonymousreply 530October 26, 2018 7:16 PM

Golden Bear Man SP

1) Grassl 82.42 (47.33 TES)

2) Fentz 72.97

3) Meierhofer 67.90

4) Della Torre 67.09

5) Hallam 63.39

by Anonymousreply 531October 26, 2018 7:51 PM

I am liking that there is no commentary on the nbc sports gold pass for today's skating events. . Very nice!

by Anonymousreply 532October 26, 2018 7:55 PM

don't like the white gloves on Cha

without commentary we can hear everything from the K&C

so far

Cha 88.86

Kerry 80.99

Aymoz 78.83

Sadovsky 67.72

by Anonymousreply 533October 26, 2018 8:25 PM

Somohin nailed a program

84.90

He can still mess up in the FS

by Anonymousreply 534October 26, 2018 8:32 PM

Ah that's not enough. I don't know why I wished for an upset. Uno will probably break 100. Well, hopefully Cha at least gets on the podium.

by Anonymousreply 535October 26, 2018 8:33 PM

Major's tight leather pants are back this season

and his mother's fur too

84.64

by Anonymousreply 536October 26, 2018 8:39 PM

*Majorov

by Anonymousreply 537October 26, 2018 8:39 PM

Tomono hands down on the Axel

81.63

by Anonymousreply 538October 26, 2018 8:54 PM

ah that's Skate Canada...and the overscoring comes in

Nguyen's PCS as high as Cha...

TES dropped 4 points compared to the box

82.22 overall

by Anonymousreply 539October 26, 2018 9:01 PM

Why do the Canadian guys love these corny jazzy programs and sweater vests so much?

by Anonymousreply 540October 26, 2018 9:03 PM

I guess Messing will take the lead now that he skated clean

by Anonymousreply 541October 26, 2018 9:04 PM

95.02

by Anonymousreply 542October 26, 2018 9:07 PM

That Chanada bonus had to pass to someone.

by Anonymousreply 543October 26, 2018 9:08 PM

Brown fell on the flip

combo is a 3+2

by Anonymousreply 544October 26, 2018 9:10 PM

Brian's body language with Jason...wonder if he misses Kori's lap right now

by Anonymousreply 545October 26, 2018 9:14 PM

UGGGG, Jason. I love his skating so much. Such a great program for him.

by Anonymousreply 546October 26, 2018 9:15 PM

Yikes, bad fall for Shoma.

by Anonymousreply 547October 26, 2018 9:19 PM

Shoma fell on the axel. And combo also with stepout

by Anonymousreply 548October 26, 2018 9:19 PM

88.87

by Anonymousreply 549October 26, 2018 9:20 PM

I felt bad for Shoma until I saw the score.

by Anonymousreply 550October 26, 2018 9:21 PM

R545 I know. Wtf is up with that. Jason radiates sweetness and warmth. Brian looks like he doesn't want to be there.

Shoot me, but I think Jason is looking quite handsome. Never mind, I'll shoot myself. Never thought I'd say that.

by Anonymousreply 551October 26, 2018 9:24 PM

88.06 for Samarin 4th

1) Messing 2)Shoma 3) Cha 4) Samarin 5) Samohin 6) Majorov

7) Nguyen 8) Tomono 9) Kerry 10) Yamoz 11) Brown 12) Sadovski

by Anonymousreply 552October 26, 2018 9:28 PM

R545 You noticed that too, huh? lol

by Anonymousreply 553October 26, 2018 9:30 PM

That was very enjoyable to watch and I haven't had the chance to watch Kevin. Heard he was enjoyable.

I would like Shoma's skating more if they scored him correctly.

Protocols for Men's SP

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by Anonymousreply 554October 26, 2018 9:35 PM

I wanna see how they wil score g/p tonight :)

by Anonymousreply 555October 26, 2018 9:36 PM

The order of judges in the protocols is Israel-Austrialia-Russia-Canada-Sweden-Korea-Japan-USA-France

by Anonymousreply 556October 26, 2018 9:37 PM

I was actually surprised to even see Brian w/Jason since he's not Jason's head coach. But yeah, it's kind of awkward seeing happy-go-lucky Jason next to grim Brian. But maybe the fact that Jason can seem that happy after that skate is a problem in itself.

r551 I was thinking Jason was looking a lot better than in the past as well. Shoma's face is maturing nicely as also - good combo of strong bone structure, nice skin, and pretty eyes.

r554 -4 to +3 on Shoma's spin. I'll give the benefit of the doubt and assume that judge accidentally pushed the wrong button.

by Anonymousreply 557October 26, 2018 9:38 PM

Lol. Shoma fans on twitter being mad he was underscored. Get a taste of what Yuzu went through at skacan for years. Anyway he will probably win the free. For now I will enjoy the Schadenfreude.

by Anonymousreply 558October 26, 2018 9:38 PM

1 UR called to Nguyen

2 to Brown

1 to Aymoz

4 to Sadovsky. Well all his jumps

by Anonymousreply 559October 26, 2018 9:39 PM

The -2 for Shoma's spin is from the Canadian judge

Probably on purpose. But he will pretend he pushed the wrong button, even if -2 and +2 are on different sides of his screen and with different colours...

by Anonymousreply 560October 26, 2018 9:41 PM

R560 LOL Interesting.

by Anonymousreply 561October 26, 2018 9:43 PM

[R557] Jason isn't all that happy go lucky. It's a mask he wears to hide real emotion.

by Anonymousreply 562October 26, 2018 9:46 PM

to be fair to Canadian judge in PCS he was quite fair in terms of Messing-Uno

by Anonymousreply 563October 26, 2018 9:46 PM

Messing is now master of PCS , lol . 1 point difference. Yes, we are in canada.

by Anonymousreply 564October 26, 2018 9:51 PM

Shoma was not fucking overscored. Quite the opposite. His fans are the absolute worst.

by Anonymousreply 565October 26, 2018 9:54 PM

keegan was ... so the same shit

by Anonymousreply 566October 26, 2018 9:56 PM

if you want some fun, look at PCS scores in Zagreb this afernoon.

Some of them looks random numbers.

some of them look to have re-adapated their scale of values to the average level of the entries, some not. So you end up with some Components being scored from 5 to 8

Some marks seem at random anyway

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by Anonymousreply 567October 26, 2018 9:58 PM

R567 Daniel's last spin got scores ranging from 0-4. Some PCS ranged from 6-8

by Anonymousreply 568October 26, 2018 10:05 PM

Did you hear the lady after announcing shomas score? She screamed "Yes!!" She had to be close to some microphone

by Anonymousreply 569October 26, 2018 10:12 PM

R568 Judge2 in Zagreb is Doug Williams, the US judge who scored Hanuy 7.75 in Transitions at Autumn Classic FS

Today he gave out a 8.25 for Jari Kessler's Transitions

by Anonymousreply 570October 26, 2018 10:14 PM

R570 Seriously, your recall of judging history and scores is amazing. I think if people were able to make these connections as quickly and easily (a judge's scoring history, comparison of scores not just in the same comp but different comps, outlier scores for each skater), I think judges would feel more accountable (or maybe I'm being too optimistic). When I started following skating, I rarely ever looked at the individual judges. I've only started paying attention recently and it has taken away my enjoyment of the sport. I appreciate your pointing these things out.

by Anonymousreply 571October 26, 2018 10:27 PM

I think Jari Kessler is nice. Well, except if we forget he has also to jump

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by Anonymousreply 572October 26, 2018 10:32 PM

I made a new thread. It looks like we'll need it soon.

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by Anonymousreply 573October 26, 2018 10:35 PM

Ok so I watched Shoma's sp and I can't believe his fans are whining that he got robbed in terms of PCs. There are barely any transitions, just 2-footed skating and 3 spread eagles in between and not even great speed. His spins are also ugly. And of course his jumps too. I think I will absolutely never understand the ravings about this guy's skating. I will watch Cha and Aymoz now to rinse my eyes.

by Anonymousreply 574October 26, 2018 10:38 PM

PCS

Uno 43,24

Brown 42.96

Messing 42.24

Samarin 38.97

Cha 38.43

Nguyen 38.29

Tomono 37.96

Samohin 37.42

Aymoz 37.18

Majorov 36.90

Sadovsky 35.94

Kerry 35.36

by Anonymousreply 575October 26, 2018 10:43 PM

Seriously? Imo cha should be ahead of shoma. I just don't know anymore. This obvious favoritism is getting ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 576October 26, 2018 10:46 PM

R575 I saw some fans of Shoma saying he should have had a 5 points lead in pcs at least. Lol And jc at Brian's behaviour with Jason. It's like way to make it obvious you want nothing to do with this loser. I know Tracy was the one who pushed for having Brown but can't Brian at least pretend in front of the camera that he cares at least a bit. I guess all the spare love he has is going to the Russian princess nowadays.

by Anonymousreply 577October 26, 2018 10:51 PM

I feel bad for Jason. I want to give him a hug. Man this makes me furious with Brian. I hope Ghislain is with Hanyu next week and not Brian.

by Anonymousreply 578October 26, 2018 10:56 PM

R578 I can't imagine Brian not being at Hanyu's side next week.

Where was Tracy Wilson today? Is she commentating?

by Anonymousreply 579October 26, 2018 11:02 PM

[R578] It's not pretty but maybe this will be good for Jason. Some tough love might help him toughen up at competitions and give him more of a killer instinct so that he won't give into his nerves. He's got the goods, he needs the confidence to do it.

by Anonymousreply 580October 26, 2018 11:08 PM

I agree with those of you who said Jason is looking much more attractive these days. I do hope though that he can break himself of the habit of nonstop grinning in the K&C after he has a disastrous skate. That's it's a mask for his true feelings is very obvious now.

by Anonymousreply 581October 26, 2018 11:20 PM

I'm everybody's apologist but Uno was overscored, his fans should stfu. 3 points less if you wanted to be lenient but fair, 5-6 if you wanted to be harsh fair.

Brian's body language with Jason was closed off, he definitely was friendlier with Cha. Cha's English seemed pretty good in K&C when they were talking. Those who say Jason is happy go lucky - yeah, that looks like his game face. There's no way this amount ofv heer is natural when you plummet to the bottom of the pile. But I wanna Brian to be in good shape mentally so that he can do his best by Yuzu and Cha next week, so I hope he and Med are ready to face the music.

by Anonymousreply 582October 26, 2018 11:30 PM

I like Smart/Diaz but she seems like a raging bitch. I can't remember - did she say/do something cunty or is it just her face that makes me think that?

by Anonymousreply 583October 26, 2018 11:39 PM

Donohue looks terrible

by Anonymousreply 584October 26, 2018 11:55 PM

Shoma got a 9.25 for Interpretation even though he fell. I thought you couldn't get over 9 for serious errors. Or am I thinking of a different rule? Imagine what Shoma's score would have been if they sent Philippe Meriguet instead.

by Anonymousreply 585October 26, 2018 11:57 PM

Shoma's 4f was obviously ur. Not called. Wtf

by Anonymousreply 586October 27, 2018 12:05 AM

Has the traffic at Goldenskate gone way down? They used to have hundreds of people online especially during competitions, now there's apparently only 57 people watching SC. I'm sure it will go up a lot for the ladies, but nothing like the 1000+ they used to get I don't spend as much time there any more and I didn't pay $6...just curious where everyone is now? On here? Or Planet Hanyu?

by Anonymousreply 587October 27, 2018 12:06 AM

I noticed that too. Week ago they had only 70 people watching Skate america, mens event hhaha

by Anonymousreply 588October 27, 2018 12:10 AM

I love Paul's porn stache.

by Anonymousreply 589October 27, 2018 12:20 AM

Here's Jason's SP with commentary by the Brits. They discuss the issue R585 raised about giving 9s for PCS for seriously flawed programs.

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by Anonymousreply 590October 27, 2018 12:23 AM

Damn, that's a low score for Piper & Paul! I don't think they can make that up. Carol blames the size of the rink, lol. Well, can't pin this one on the Russians.

by Anonymousreply 591October 27, 2018 12:26 AM

I don't know or care about who's overscored or underscored because there's no use getting mad about stuff I can't change, but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth to see Yuzuru fans gloating because Shoma should now get a taste of what Yuzuru went through. It's not like he was a judge giving Yuzu bad scores. His fans being nasty to his fellow skaters won't make Yuzu's life any happier.

by Anonymousreply 592October 27, 2018 12:35 AM

r587 There must be something wrong with the counters. The main counter tells me that rn during Dance, there are over 1100 users online, 450+members and 650 gueasts. There's no way that "now viewing this thread" numbers come up to 1100. PH has some competition conversation going on, but nothing staggering, 450 comments in the Men's thread so far.

by Anonymousreply 593October 27, 2018 12:37 AM

carol lane, that bitch face !Glad to see it

by Anonymousreply 594October 27, 2018 12:40 AM

Speaking of Shoma, I don't understand his costume. "Vaguely Futuristic Purple Jumpsuit" doesn't exactly mesh with a Latin guitar Stairway to Heaven. All of his costumes have underwhelmed so far. He still has the white and black for his FS but with more silver shit glued onto the top, apparently by his mother (who was also responsible for that fringed and feathered exhibition mess in the summer).

by Anonymousreply 595October 27, 2018 12:42 AM

R580. I hope you are right. I agree with everyone else that Jason puts the smile on to hide his feelings. Poor guy

R592. Where are Hanyu fans gloating? I'm not seeing any of that.

by Anonymousreply 596October 27, 2018 12:43 AM

r596 Here: r558

by Anonymousreply 597October 27, 2018 12:47 AM

R597. Thanks. I'm not seeing that on my tl on Twitter. I would never participate in it if I did see it. I don't like that negative drama. Hopefully those Hanyu fans stop. At least do that for Hanyu. He doesn't need any more haters. He already has enough.

by Anonymousreply 598October 27, 2018 12:55 AM

what Yuzuru went through.????what actually? being overcored when he did serious mistakes????

by Anonymousreply 599October 27, 2018 12:57 AM

So we're going back to blaming fanyus for all fandom shit and connecting everything back to Yuzu? Also acting as if Uno is scored so fairly all the time that Yuzu being overscored elsewhere has to be brought up.

Many fanyus are trash but lmao at Uno ubers acting like victims when they gloated just as much after ACI.

by Anonymousreply 600October 27, 2018 1:12 AM

R592 Don't get righteous about "Yuzuru fans" in general if you can only point to one comment in the thread. Also, I'm not R558, the person who made the comment, but if that's "nasty" that's pretty fucking mild.

by Anonymousreply 601October 27, 2018 1:16 AM

Hanyu fat / Uno hater: "Hahaha [gloat] take that, Uno, now you know what Hanyu went through"

Random person: "can we not do that"

Another person: "yeah let's not do that"

Hanyu fan: "omg now you're making us all horrible people just cuz we love Hanyu, you Uno fans gloated worse!!"

Hanyu fan: "yeah this isn't that bad at all cuz even worse things are said!!!"

ARe a majority of people here like... twelve years old?

by Anonymousreply 602October 27, 2018 1:20 AM
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