Millennial guys barebacking

I've had younger guys ghost me because I was hesitant on fucking them bareback. Yes, this is a thing.

Whatever do you mean, OP.

Let's hope it's not a thing.

PrEP

No hope for the future: Climate Change, Trump, Rednecks. We'll all be dead in like 20 years so who cares.-Millennials

In OP's pics, I admire that the bottom's balls are so wrinkle free!

Hot

Fine, thin the herd. Idiots.

[quote]The last 5 young guys in their 20s who I hooked up with

I love The Wrigleyville CumDump. I just wish the top would shut the fuck up. I hate his dirty talk.

Out of 20ish guys I know personally, maybe 3 or 4 are still using condoms OP. Anecdotal evidence but still accurate within my circle.

The rest are on PrEP and don't see the need for them at all.

I don't have a number but many of them have picked up other STDs but they brush them off because they can get rid of them.

One by one everyone got on it and stopped wearing condoms instead of using it correctly and continuing to use condoms. Then again a few of them didn't wear them or ask a partner to before they were on it.

R2 I often wonder of the WCD realizes what a celebrity he's become?

I believe this. Millennial men are slutty and getting sluttier. They were already a semi-Post HIV gen, and PrEp promises on paper an even safer time, so of course they’re gonna wanna fuck like jackrabbits during their sexual prime.

I'm starting to appreciate "Sure, Jan." First thing I said when I read the thread title.

To all you anti-PreP guys, statics show that it is safer than condoms. Google it.

And as far as getting an STD, you guys seem obsessed with just anal sex as the ONLY vector for STDs... sweetie darlings, you can get STD's through oral sex - oh am I scaring all you pearl-clutching, blow job giving queens? believe me, I know. I've caught an STD or two in my throat, all the while having "safe sex" with a condom.

So if you're so interested in lowering STD & HIV rates, let's make a concerted effort to have everyone get tested for both. Really just because you use a condom, doesn't exclude you from getting an STD. Unless you're one of the truly unique gay men that only wants to give a BJ's to a guy with a condom. In my many years of slutting around, I've had one guy ask me to suck his dick while he had a condom on. I said hell no, of course, he took it off and I sucked his raw dick. end of story.

Stop berating people on PreP, the genie is out of the bottle and its never going back in, just stop. Get yourself test and worry about you.

Clutching pearls!

BTW, stop with the millennial bashing, all most sexually active men are barebacking, hopefully their on PreP or the top is either neg or poz but undectable. this is the world we are living in, no one is going back to condoms. So i hope for your sanity, that all you hysterically anti-Prep guys are in a commited monogomous relationship or celibate, because no one, no matter what age the guy is, he's never going back to wearing condoms. Drops the mic

Well OP's guy looks like he's enjoying it.

Who is that at OP?

[quote] To all you anti-PreP guys, statics show that it is safer than condoms. Google it.

Huh? You’re a tard.

I have an eerie feeling watching this play out, almost like with the advent of Prep, you're seeing a return to the free love and halcyon days of the seventies. On one hand that's great that HIV poses less of a risk. On the other hand, youngsters need to exercise caution because you never know what other things may loom down the road. No, I'm not a prude, or advocating for any chastity, but exercising caution is never a bad idea.

Humblebragging OP

They are taking PrEP OP.

Is the Wrigleyville CumDump on Prep?

Here you go:

I'm more amazed that nobody has been able to correctly ID the WCD.

Zika was supposed to be the great STD scare for my generation, R21. Though it seemed to predominantly affect straights and then it just sort of fizzled out of the news entirely. No glove, no love for me though. That super gonorrhea I read about is scary enough.

r6, that's from scrotal singeing. I don't have the balls to do such...no pun intended.

The last 5 young guys in their 20s who I hooked up with all wanted me to top them bareback and I said sure, but then they all declined when they saw my humongous daddy dick.

Do you live under a rock OP? Have you missed that STIs are skyrocketing in the gay community because so many people are barebacking? Of course it is (sadly) a thing.

[quote]Who is that at OP?

It's Dean from Sean Cody.

Most young men especially in their 20s tend to not heed warnings and think they are invincible until something bad happens, R21. That was me once, too. Some get lucky, some don't.

I'm sure this trend won't end in disaster...sigh.

Considering the statistics, whether or not you use condoms, you should consider PrEP as your backup plan as well. Condoms break. This isn’t a question about your morals or disregard for safety. Preventing the spread of HIV is our best shot at eradicating this disease.

I’m lucky because it’s covered by my insurance and my copay is $30 per month. I don’t bareback. Not even going to play the humblebrag game. I test every 3 months. I get how uncomfortable this subject is, and I’m not judging anybody.

The world is just a better place with all of you in it.

That's because it's clearly another Boomer vs. Millennial invitation to scrap thread R33.

To the contrary, R35, this really shouldn't be an anybody fighting anybody else type of thread. The current millennial youthquake zeitgeist resembles the 70s in more than a few ways. It's worth throwing out a few cautionary words out there if it makes somebody think twice before engaging in risky behavior.

We know, OP. Barebacking is at record highs.

To be fair, I'm a Gen Xer, and if I had had access to PrEp when I was in my 20s and 30s, I would have been the biggest whore east of the Mississippi. Unfortunately, the ever looming fear and threat of AIDS kept me chaste and kind of fucked up my dating and sex life.

It is not just a millennial thing. Barebacking has increased in every sexually active age cohort, and transmission rates have reached record levels for gono and syphilis in some communities. What the US really needs is properly resourced sexual health information and education. It's ridiculous that a society as porn-soaked as ours still largely refuses to teach young people how to minimize the risks associated with sexual activity.

I agree with R39, BB is popular with all age groups. Good luck in finding a guy in San Francisco who wants to get fucked with a condom. About 85% of the guys I’ve hooked up with who are here on business also are into BB. I think that’s the given.

R15 You type stupid

R17 is delusional. No worries, he’ll be dead soon.

R17 Prep-are to die

Condoms are sooooo 1995. Ditto the Condomania stores.

The kids these days either weren't around or don't remember the 80s, when even the slightest sore, bruise or lingering cough had you asking yourself if you were next.

Two things:

1.) According to the CDC, the effectiveness of PreP is only listed as "over 90 percent." Most millennials think that it's something like 99.999999%. Please believe if it was over at least 95%, the manufacturer would clearly state this stat as "over 95 percent."

[quote] Studies have shown that PrEP reduces the risk of getting HIV from sex by more than 90% when used consistently. Among people who inject drugs, PrEP reduces the risk of getting HIV by more than 70% when used consistently.

Also ...

2.) This month we got yet *another* case of a Truvada user contracting HIV.

R46 what's that on the denominator of tens of thousands (conservatively)?

R46. If you read that failure, it was a guy who was also on meth. The King County study and the just released Australian study support the efficacy of PrEP.

You’re comparing four failures out of 350,000 users to the millions who take low dosage aspirin to prevent heart attack and claiming that if people still get heart attacks, then it doesn’t work at all. That’s argumentum ad absurdum.

Not just one case R47, there have been others over the past five years. Maybe 15? It would be nice if the gay press (or medical journalists) would keep track of all of these cases of seroconverting while on PreP.

And, R48 freely acknowledges that recreational drug use can be a factor in lowering the effective rate of PreP. I'm sure that's not a factor that we need to worry about with young gay men.

My guess is that many see these small numbers as insignificant by comparison to the greater good of condom-free anal sex brought to you by Truvada®.

Some of us have the wisdom to know that the HIV virus has the ability to mutate. And some of us have the foresight to see that large clusters of hyper-promiscuous gay men on PreP having unprotected (condom-free) sex with each other AND men who are HIV-positive (on meds) AND men who are HIV negative and not on PreP could lead to a new and resistant strain of HIV.

I thought Millenials weren’t having sex?

R50 unsafe cuddling, that's all!

Errr R50, they are the hookup and then ghost them generation. The gay ones at least are having lots of sex, all facilitated by Grindr and Prep. I have never believed they were celibate.

No BB, no sex, bro.

Sad, sad, sad.

[quote] The current millennial youthquake zeitgeist resembles the 70s

This is the most carefree sexual era since the late 1970s, in terms of the lack of associating casual sex with mortality. I hope their sexual overindulgence doesn't lead to a rehash of the 80s.

R56 we will all be dead in 10-20 years so who cares.

Those who don't remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

r26 I saw him at one of the bars during Market Days (in Chicago). So he is at least a guy that's been in chicago. I would have given him a head nod but he was across a crowded bar. My friends and I were on a raised stage, steps which is how we saw him. Hot guy, but I'd love to hear that deep slutty voice in person.

Doesn’t feel the same way with a condom.

Is the wrigleyville cumdump related to the Chicago cumdump?

We always barrbacked growing up, that makes it difficult to use rubbers later on.

Be careful kids.

There is an LA Cumdump, too, R61.

And a NYC Cumdump too. But nobody beats the WCD.

The Vegas Cumdump isn't bad looking though.

Vegas Cum Dump about to get bred.

Is there a cure now for Hep C? That's another nasty disease that used to be incurable,passed through unprotected anal.

What about anal herpes? Would it go all through your rectum and possibly even your intestines?

Gee, I had no idea cities all across America now have Official Cumdumps™.

There was a report of prep being faulty with some idiots and got hiv. Keep it wrapped kids.

Actually, r69, regional cumdump elections are coming up soon. Make sure to nominate!

Vote for me, R71.

Dear Lord in Heaven!

R71 for the win!

Nice ass at R67.

Unprotected anal sex is the will of the Secret Lesbians. Don't be part of the herd!

The Vegas Cum Dump has had another load in and wants more. #cumslut #gaywhore

Boys just wanna have fun.

Taking loads.

No sex is worth a possible chronic illness or having to take medications the rest of your life, many of which are hugely expensive or stop working after a certain period of time. PrEp is a way to protect yourself, but it's not a cure.

Congratulations OP! Your troll thread has achieved exactly what you hoped for!

Lots of eldergays in a tizz and froth!

The Good news, from the very same page above! They have found. antibiotic that treats resistant CLAP. The bad news, from the same page above, Meningitis and Sepsis now joins HEP C to be sexually transmissible.

My gay friends don't believe that HEP C can be transmitted just through gay sex - fucking. No need for fisting and blood and needles etc etc. That is, until they get HEP C. It transmits in waves, among the carefree barebacking crowds.

The generation after millennials are the ones who are rejecting all forms of sex supposedly, R50, although they are still young and its too early to tell.

No cure for crabs yet?

R84:

Americans, don't be so patriotic... the London Cumdump is the best.

Have you sampled the pleasures of the Cumdump of Cuernavaca?

[Quote]Those who don't remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

Millennials weren't around in the past. They have no real life connection to AIDS reality of the 80s & 90s. It's all ancient history to them.

If you do contract HIV, then you can take a one-a-day pill to become undetectable, and not pass it on. "Simple as that."

Millennials love bareback.

[bold]Everybody[/bold] loves bareback R89.

As a child of the 70s, R83, I see some very eerie similarities between the sexual behaviours, attitudes, and indulgences of the Boomers then and the Millennials now. They're hot, young, they know it all, and they absolutely won't let anyone spoil their fun. Gen Z willl probably live on in the shadow and consequences of millennials' current promiscuity and hedonism the way we did.

The problem is, whether parents like it or not, their kids are thrown into a sexualized world without being properly prepared for it. Without proper guidance and education kids, left on their own with their questions not being answered because sex is shameful and tatoo, explore on their own and, thanks to STDs like HIV, make mistakes that may haunt / burden / limit / traumatize / influence them for the rest of their lives.

LOL ... because sex is shameful and TABOO,

Whatever R92. Go millennials! Have all the sex and fun you can while it is still safe and you're young. It won't last forever.

Anyone know who the guy is getting fucked at R79? TIA!

I love him too, R96.

So much sex shaming on this thread!

Barebacking leads to nothing good.

Are European millennials on prep too

The Sydney Cumdump. It's an international phenomena.

It’s not safe R95, by definition, it requires a toxic pill whose long term side effects are totally unknown that be taken FOR LIFE in order to have bareback sex, and even then one is not completely protected. I don’t give a shit about the younger generation or what it does sexually, I agree we’ll probably all be dead or on the way out in two more decades because of serious climate issues, so let them commit suicide. But if we somehow do continue, the repercussions for this current generation are going to be astounding.

That is the absolute most millennial sexual situation ever, R57. The haircut, the beard, the IG-quality blissed out look on his face! It deserves to be reposted.

I believe it's important to know about all the options you have and have access to all the necessary information there is in order to make an informed decision.

Using PrEP and condoms at the same time gives me peace of mind that makes me enjoy sex more without having to worry (about STDs coming from bareback, anal sex) before, while, and after having sex.

Millennials, do listen to R92. You're on a slippery slope, following in your parents' generations' footsteps.

R79 is the perfect bottom.

It's not a generational thing. With PrEp, everyone thinks they can bareback now.

I still have Scruff and Grindr on my phone but I haven’t met anyone in years, in part because I have aged out (I’m 40.), but the reason I stopped meeting many years ago is because EVERYONE on there in DC insists on unprotected sex. There are few exceptions today. It freaked me out at first and then I thought, OK, do what you want, and I ended my casual sex days. I grew up in the 80s and 90s. Guys under 37ish depend 100 pecent on PrEP. PrEP explicitly states that it only protects against HIV, no other diseases, and it is intended to be used only in conjunction with condoms. Whatever. It may prove to be a weapon against gay men—pull the plug on access to the drug and a lot of cum reservoirs are going to be screwed. In the meantime, syphilis and other STD rates are climbing.

It's a lack of understanding. HIV never held the same stranglehold of fear with my generation the way that it did with Baby Boomers and Gen X.

I'm one of the oldest millennials, and even by the time I came of sexual age, the AZT cocktail was available and made HIV less of a death sentence.

So many of these young Truvada whores are into being bred by daddies. And the daddies are mostly poz pigs on the cocktail. They've convinced themselves that "undetectables" and the PreP protected can flood each other's guts for decades without consequences.

It's an incubator for brewing up multiple strains of drug resistant HIV that could decimate the gay male population.

R110 I get your concern but you are sort of making shit up to suit a narrative

That's what the Secret Lesbians WANT you to say, r111.

I am quite fond of the Anchorage Cumdump myself.

Being a cumdump is a lifestyle and career choice these days for young men, right up there with architect and construction worker.

I was a cumdump before it was trendy.

I was disappointed to learn one of my favorite Instahos barebacks.

Male possessing male.

Is this when the man goes up into the man?

r116 how/when did you learn that? Source?

I'll take his load R116.

They're on Prep and everything else can be treated with an ointment.

Also, everything's awful and we're all going to die in 30-40 years anyhow. Their attitude is....well, shit, at least I'll have some fun while it lasts.

Does Gus Kenworthy bareback?

What r80 said.

There are worst things I suppose..

Raw loads is the new avocado toast.

R68 yes there is. It’s expensive as hell, but thank god there’s a viable treatment for Hep C. Anyone who’s sexually active should consider and discuss with their doctor immuniization for Hep A an Hep B.

Anyone who has Herpes Simplex should discuss with their doctor being on a daily immunosuppressant. This sexual behavior places their partners at risk.

I really do respect how many men disclose their poz/undetectable status. These are the men who take their health seriously. But, you have to take your own health just as seriously. The thought process that “a pill a day for the rest of your life” isn’t serious is intellectually lopsided.

Not having to take any pill to treat a disease you’ve acquired should be your goal.

R68 anal/genital warts are caused by HPV. The recommended method has been immunization at age 11. There are new trials for immunization into the 20’s. Potentially, we can hope for later age immunization. This diseases is one of the leading killers of women as the underlying cause of cervical cancer and a cause for prostate cancer in men.

Get tested for HPV on each STI screen, and know your status.

[Quote]anal/genital warts are caused by HPV.

This is why gay bottoms need to have anal pap smears. They can cause anal cancer.

WE'RE ALL GOING TO HELL IN A DIRTY STI INFECTED HANDBASKET BECAUSE OF THESE YOUNG SEX PIGS!!!!!!!!! THEY ARE GOING TO KILL EVERYONE EVEN VIRGIN NUNS IN THE MONASTERIES OF THE CARPATHIANS! WHORES! PROSTITUTE WHORES!!!!

...need to have anal pap smears. They can cause anal cancer.

PAP SMEARS CAUSE CANCER!!!

TRUVADA IS TOXIC -- MORE DANGEROUS THAN THALIDOMIDE!!!!!

ROTHSCHILDE PLOT WITH EVIL BIG PHARMA.

PROSTITUTION WHORES

THANK GOD I STOPPED HAVING SEX IN 1982!!!!!!!!! AND I WAS A TOP AND NOT A WHORE!!!!!

There was a time before HIV and with all this load swapping we'll be looking back on a time before something else, that's how nature handles rampant stupidity.

As long as it's not PnP.

We ache for a carefree life and some of us are willing to ignore danger and be reckless and carefree even for a few moments.

I’m a bottom who still makes my tops use condoms. Sadly fewer and fewer are willing to because they can have so much BB sex.

I guess I’ll have to go to PrEP to get any sex soon

I let a poz guy fuck me bare because U= U.

I believe the science but I was also so stupid to take that chance. Thankfully he didn’t cum in me and I’m HIV- but that experience freaked me out enough to not do it again.

#BottomProblems.

R110 there are concerns we have with respect to failure is the relative non detectability of specific strains of HIV1 and HIV2.There are a small number of cases of HIV2 - 168 so far. Truvada cannot prevent infection of HIV2.

Of the 4 cases of “failure” so far with PrEP, one was due to identified mutation of the virus. In the first case, there is a strong possibility the patient had gone off PrEP - which he denies. He appears to have drug resistance to several key medications used to treat HIV.

The third case was in Amsterdam, which was described as a man who engaged in “remarkably high sexual risk taking” with 12 to 75 sexual partners per month. He was taken off Truvada when he presented with multiple infections including e.coli, chlamydia and gonnorhea and his p24 test suggested he may be positive for HIV. The subsequent analysis has suggested to researchers he may not have progressed to full HIV had he not been taken off Truvada.

The fourth case has a male who was sexually active with men, trans women and cis women. He was compliant with testing and follow up and at 13 months was identified with a likely infection within the previous six weeks. One of his sex partners was identified as HIV positive with a strain resistent to emtricitabine - one of the two drugs in PrEP.

Don't kid yourself that this is just millennials engaging in risky bareback behavior. I have hooked up with my very large share of men in their 40s and 50s who want BB or nothing at all.

I doubt this is really a trend for everyone.

From an HIV perspective, having sex using only condoms for protection is unsafe. Better to be doubly protected.

[quote] You're on a slippery slope, following in your parents' generations' footsteps.

Unfortunately R105, most of us didn't have gay dads to follow in any type of footsteps. We had straight parents who awkwardly gave us the birds and the bees about straight sex and to not knock a girl up. Definitely no education about gay sex.

We are Generation Internet though, so no excuse for not having access to information about gay or safe sex. I would never bareback, Prep or no Prep, but I also have hypochondriacal tendencies. Seeing "Philadelphia" as a kid was enough to scare me.

I've been blocked and ignored on apps for saying I want to use condoms after some initial chat, even if they are attracted to me and we are otherwise sexually compatible. I put it in my profile now so those people can just avoid me. The vast majority will not use condoms - in many age groups now.

R108 - I could've written your post. Just another city here though. Everything else is the same. Same age as you. Same responses.

There simply is no excuse not to be on PrEP. Imagine if every gay guy was on PrEP. HIV would become extinct in our community.

Sex with condoms just doesn’t feel good; STDs are easily treatable, so there’s no need to say no to BB sex nowadays.

It really is something to behold to see young guys behave every bit as casually promiscuous as men in the 1970s, R92. The only difference is they're not doing it in parks and bars. They order via their phones. A la carte. One guy this afternoon, a different one for tonight, another one tomorrow. Like ordering takeout. Swipe left, swipe right until you find the hottest stud. And before you accuse me of being bitter, yes, I am a little bit jealous and in awe of how free and open they can be. I just hope for their sake that they are careful.

I want a cumdump. Where can I find one in my city?

[quote]There simply is no excuse not to be on PrEP.

A couple of excuses....

1. It screwed with my liver enzymes pretty bad and rapidly. I am on other medication, which may be why - but it does not use the same pathway. Doc wasn't sure what that was about.

2. PEP (post exposure prophylaxis) is available if there is a condom mishap / breakage. It is very successful. No need to take a daily pill . I think the better strategy is to use condoms and then use PEP if there is an accident.

2a. I don't have sex enough to be on PrEP daily, so #2 just makes more sense.

3. Super gonorrhea. It isn't everywhere yet, but it's been documented in one case with a straight guy who fucked some prostitute in Thailand - and it can easily leap to the gay community from the straights. I can't find the article about that one guy who was treated with an experimental antibiotic. I think he was cured, but that antibiotic is 100x as expensive as ceftriaxone and he had to be on it for a week or so, IV, if I am remembering correctly.

This isn't a "sex negative" or "anti-prep" post. It's the reasons why I am not on it and am surprised it has taken off to such an extent without condom use (even though Gilead says you need to use condoms with it, obviously nobody does)

Sex with fear sucks

And if all of that stuff was reversed.

1. PrEP contained an antibiotic or some kind of urinary acidifier (to kill the bacteria - something like Hiprex) - that would alleviate fears of gonorrhea

2. PrEP did not affect liver enzymes.

3. PEP was ineffective.

Then I'd probably reconsider taking it.

Many Doctors are now prescribing Truvada and another drug (not sure what it’s called) as PrEP to try to cover the resistant strains

Condoms are for old people.

[quote] They order via their phones. A la carte. One guy this afternoon, a different one for tonight, another one tomorrow. Like ordering takeout.

I like the sound of Millennials being the [italic] a la carte sex [/bold] generation. It's true, too.

R150 - isentress i think.

[quote] The gay ones at least are having lots of sex, all facilitated by Grindr and Prep. I have never believed they were celibate.

I'm not so sure millennial breeders are having all that much sex, hence their low birth rate. Gay millennial men, however, are the outlier amongst their peers. They are reckless sluts. R145's description of their sexual habits is spot on.

Condoms are so vintage, theres no need for them with PREP. The new gay revolution is here

Lesbians are so lucky, no pregnancy risk and no serious STDS

I'm Gen X, 47 years old, and to echo what others have said, it's jarring how many younger guys I come across who want me to fuck them raw or not at all. That would have been inconceivable to me when I was 25. I seriously think millennial men are putting themselves at risk at starting a second gay epidemic.

As an aside and to say something nice since I don't sound like an old fart, millennials are much more open minded about dating older guys and are more polite in general. When I was their age, my peers would have been ruthless about getting hit on by an older man.

w&w r145

This thread is useless without more visual proof of this phenomena

I’m a millenial and I will not bareback. I’ve had hookups show up without any condoms and look almost offended when I insist because their profile said they were on prep and some weren’t even on prep! They just said they’d been tested. And it’s not just HIV that worries me I worry about a new disease or an antibiotic resistant strain developing. I dunno I guess I just feel like life is very unfair and nature would never let us have too much fun without cutting the music and ending the party. If I want a casual hookup I go for someone 35-55. So far never had anyone refuse a condom and another bonus I’ve found is older men warn me when they’re going to cum and/or ask where I want it. Guys my own age assume swallowing/creampie is a given. I remember one early hookup told me he was at some sex party in an abandoned aircraft hanger in Santa Monica a few weeks before, topped several guys and bottomed for several more and then asked if I would swallow. Hell no!

R157, I agree about the politeness, but on the flip side, there is something equally worrisome about that same Pollyanna-esque quality which runs rampant amongst millennial men. They tend to just blindly believe when a guy tells them they are clean and Neg, and that declaration is enough to proceed with whatever follows.

The thing is that with PrEp, it doesn't matter if a sex partner is lying or ignorant about their own Poz status. They're covered either way.

Millenials are free in the era of gay marriage and PREP

[quote] Millenials are free in the era of gay marriage and PREP

That's why they are acting like such little whores these days.

But if they are here, they need to realize that they are on a forum of mostly older gay men who lived through some tough times, so it would behoove them to take some FREE advice for once.

How is their anal hygiene?

R164, as if lesbians and straights arent whores as well

[quote] How is their anal hygiene?

Wild, unkempt and bushy just like their beards.

I’m 25 and on PrEP. Yes, I bareback. When I started PrEP, I tried using condoms but they are just horrible and ruin sex.

I hadn’t gotten any SDIs yet (I do ask tops not to cum in me and my FBs oblige).

I admit I love not having condoms break up the flow of sex. I’m not some amazing slut, but I completely understand why no one’s using condoms yet

[quote]why no one’s using condoms yet

What do you know that we dont R168?

The Paris Cum Dump

The Montreal cumdump

The Netherlands Cumdump

All these cumdumps are in their 20s and 30s too.

My social circle is now split between guys who are married and adopting or having children and guys who are on PrEP and screwing everything that moves. Neither life appeals to me. I’m just as tired of hearing about sex parties as I am of hearing how someone’s $100,000 surrogate is doing.

The older ones probably all died of Super AIDS by now.

Yes! They all bareback, have almost no regular habit of condom use and a shocking number of them have seroconverted already. I have a lot of younger acquaintances and seeing them seroconvert and constantly treat their avoidable STDs is alarming and depressing. They don't know ANY of what I know at 55 years of age, and they are incredibly cavalier about it.

They are young, horny and at the peak of their hotness and sexual desire. Of course that's a recipe for disaster.

Here R159.

Another one.

This actually makes me like them more.

I hate anal as a top after a terrible experience but R178/R179 make me want to try again.

[quote] As a child of the 70s, [R83], I see some very eerie similarities between the sexual behaviours, attitudes, and indulgences of the Boomers then and the Millennials now.

Millennials subconsciously retain many trace elements from their Boomer parents, R92. They walk with the same exact swagger; they know that they are young and pretty and they like showing off. They have the same affinity for sexual gratification. Baby Boomers did not listen to the two generations before them, deeming them out of touch and deficient, and Millennials are doing the same exact thing now. They both overshadow the generations before and after them.

That said, I do work with many millennials and see them as being more caring about other people in general, and especially towards the generation of kids after them. That's why they should be careful with their sexual behavior now and not screw things up for themselves or the kids who come after.

R147. Let me follow your logic. I appreciate you can’t take PrEP for medical reasons; that’s sound. But it went wobbly after that. You then said you could take Post Exposure Propylaxis in the event of exposure. But, how would you know?

This is like Rita Rudner’s joke about making cake. You mix flour and water and you get glue. Add eggs and you get cake . Where did the glue go?

Similar problem. Inapplicability of scientific method, lambchop. Unless you’re proposing to take PEP after every sexual activity where there’s a chance your guy dumped a load in you - how would you know whether or not you were exposed?

I’m not mocking you, I promise. But I hope you’re the one buying the non-latex condoms. You sound like an awesome guy.

No real fear of HIV leads to this.

The D.C. cum dump

That's Jess Vill, R116. I follow him too. Does he really bareback?

I like that they brought furry chests back.

R183 - there appears to be a lot of misreading / reading comprehension issues here. And, you clearly do not know the first thing about PEP, so thinking that you might come across as "mocking me" is kind of ironic.

[quote]You then said you could take Post Exposure Propylaxis in the event of exposure. But, how would you know?

It has been well established in the infectious disease literature that PEP, began within 72 hours of potential exposure to HIV (when the status of the infecting partner is unknown), is effective - in occupational (needle stick by a nurse treating HIV+ patient) and non-occupational (sexual) situations. PEP used to be Truvada + Kaletra but is now usually Truvada + Isentress due to the side effects of PIs (Kaletra). The duration of PEP is 28 days. The vast majority (even needle stick patients) do not seroconvert. The only FDA approved drug for PEP is AZT because that is the only one that was available in the early days that was studied extensively, particularly among accidental occupational exposure.

So, based on (a) the vast scientific literature about it and (b) the fact I have taken it (how do you think I knew Truvada elevated my liver enzymes?)

[quote]Similar problem. Inapplicability of scientific method, lambchop. Unless you’re proposing to take PEP after every sexual activity where there’s a chance your guy dumped a load in you - how would you know whether or not you were exposed?

What are you talking about? I never bareback. I was specifically and clearly talking about condom breaks, which I stated verbatim. It's pretty simple to check a condom to see that it is still in tact, assuming a guy even came in it.

Do you know what the scientific method even is?

[quote]You then said you could take Post Exposure Propylaxis in the event of exposure. But, how would you know?

There are 5 main categories of people who take PEP (and a dozen other weird patient requests like "bites" and other nonsense - but these are the main 5)

Occupational with known HIV+ exposure

Occupational with unknown blood exposure

MM Sexual with HIV+ exposure

MM Sexual with unknown exposure

MF - Rape

The risk goes down with each one, but PEP is available for every situation. Why would you have to know the HIV status of the other person to get PEP? Do you even know the HIV status with PrEP? Why wouldn't a woman who is raped be given PEP because she "doesn't know" the man's HIV status? They give it to her anyway.

Hot.

Everyone knows a Red Bull SILVER douche, before or after bareback, protects from all STIs. Protection lasts 12-18 hours.

Young people pick up the smoking habit. They ride motorcycles without helmets. They take dares. They do all sorts of things that put themselves at risk and they do it unwittingly. You live, you learn, if you're lucky enough to live.

R192 that is brilliant, thank you.

R59 - you had an encounter with the Wrigleyville CumDump and you didn’t come away with his name, age, address and SSN???

Failure.

My sister has run a youth hostel since the early eighties, so she has a unique perspective on young people and changes throughout the years. What R157 says about politeness is true. She says the last decade or so has been a breeze in that she has not had to deal with fights and overall drunken debauchery as much. As far as hooking up, that hasn't really changed much as far as she's seen.

But does your sister know if they are barebacking, R195?

Do they still teach Sex Ed in schools anymore?

Depends. My niece’s HS in Indiana sent home permission slips for sex Ed and a bunch of parents wouldn’t sign them. She said only about 60% of the kids were allowed to take the class and there was a bust up at a PTA meeting when some Christian moms started shrieking about how they wanted to teach smut to their angels.

Last year, I went to a talk during World AIDS Day, and there was a speaker who said that "the reality of sexually active young gay men living in major metropolitan areas is that they will contract one or more STDs per year."

I'm a Gen X'er who recommends wearing condoms and not letting anyone fuck you bareback. Old advice, but it's kept me STD-free for decades.

I see millennials constantly get prescriptions filled for various pills and ointments ... even more than senior citizens.

When young guys complain "but it doesn't feel as good!," I always respond, Oh yeah, well gonorrhea, syphilis, crabs, and herpes don't feel as good either.

Not if I get my way, R197!

Is there a Cincinnati Cumdump?

Particularly in the northside neighborhood.

I'm asking for a friend.

What R192 said. Youth will always think they are invincible... until something bad happens to them. Then they have to shape up.

The hyper-promiscuous, “sex-positive,” unprotected-sex-only culture has nuked my libido. It really has. The idea of having sex with a stranger nowadays seems like Russian roulette and my mind outweighs my urges at this point. It’s kind of freeing in a way not to be obsessed about trying to get laid. I am worried about what may come of this in five or 10 years—but I also share worry that we may not have a country as we know the US today by then, and I do understand the psychology of people doing risky or even life-threatening things during times of great concern such as wars or living under tyrannical rule.

I’m 50 and most single/sexually active guys I know are on PrEP and bareback. This is not just millennials.

The difference R206 is that millennials are honestly naive about the dangers of sexually transmitted diseases. Old men who are this reckless should know better.

MARY, R205! Just put a rubber over it.

Do Millennials PnP, or is that no longer in vogue?

[quote] I thought Millenials weren’t having sex?

I never believed this and the sky high and soaring STD rates in the under 35 population prove this to be a misconception. How does one even quantify how much sex a group is having? Self-reporting? People do lie about things like that you know, especially women.

I've lied on sexual history questionnaires before, R210. I don't need people knowing I'm a slut.

Take it like a man.

I love sex and never want to give it up but yeah, getting laid these days is a lot more difficult if you're not into barebacking.

Domination.

[quote] The last 5 young guys in their 20s who I hooked up with all wanted me to top them bareback.

I have never barebacked and never will. Don't trust pharma.

R189 Indeed I do. But you’ve now impeached yourself. You’ve said you couldn’t take PrEP for medical reasons, which is .... dum dum TRUVADA — 300 mg of tenofovir, 200 mg of emtrictibaine.

Then you propose that you’d check whether there was a condom break and take PEP for 28 days ... which contains ... 300 mg of tenofovir , 200 mg of emtricitabine, 800 mg of darunavir, 100 mg ritonavira

If PrEP isn’t an option, then PEP isn’t either is it?

Wasn't but ten years ago Poz guys were scared to death of infecting others or failing to disclose, ending in jail or worse!

Sometimes I bareback but I find frottage is good enough for some people. Gay men of all ages are barebacking as far as I have noticed.

I insist on condoms for hookups and have not found it to be an issue (I'm a top)

Fuck if I'm going to believe some rando I met on Grindr, who is not even using his real name, that he's religiously taking his PReP when he's supposed to and has been checked by multiple doctors.

I just tell them "I don't want to risk bringing anything home to my girlfriend" and they're so thrilled at the thought of getting "bi guy" cock, they forget all about barebacking.

(The girlfriend is of course purely fictional.)

You have really never barebacked, R216? You’ve never really experienced the joys of the sex then. Condom sex sucks and feels terrible, plus as gay men, there is no stronger primordial need for us to breed and bred.

Gays and MSMs will lie about their dick size, age, their physique, their weight, their occupation, income, interests in friendship, relationships, leisure activities. Not that I'd put straight men up on the pedestal if integrity either. Liar Liar.

Frottage and intercrural sex is sometimes good and sometimes bad but it can definitely be better than barebacking or oral. It's strange that the worlds seem foreign in the hook up world.

I love you, R220.

R220 I agree with you in both principle and fact. If I have a guy over, and I almost always host - I show a picture with date of my last HIV test and I show him the bottle of my Truvada. Either we’re honest or I’m leaving.

That bluntness isn’t necessarily endearing, and I am really a curmudgeon about never hooking up with someone quickly. Usually, it’s about a month to six months after the conversation begins before their ankles get airborne.

If men can’t be honest, we’re kind of shitty men.

All this huffing and puffing. It's good to be old.

Does anyone know who the guy is getting fucked at [R79] and again at R103?

I'd really like to know.

I'd like to know too, R226. He sure looks happy.

R123, I bet that little slut Adam Rippon tried to get Gus's raw loads any way he could.

Gus Kenworthy is a notorious bareback bottom, so it might be unlikely he is topping anyone, R228. It's been discussed here on other threads at length.

R227, and high.

I went to a gay, nude Halloween private party this past weekend. It was hosted by a nude social group. It was great to see so many guys naked enjoying themselves especially considering how sterile gym locker rooms have become these days. While I love watching gay men have sex, I was very surprised there was so much unsafe sex happening. I am old enough to remember the ravages of AIDS in the '80s and '90, so I would not participate in unsafe safe. However, there were very few man even having oral sex at the party. It was extremely rare to see men sucking each other. It was almost all fucking bareback. Nonstop fucking, strangers fucking strangers. There were plenty of condoms available, and no one was using them. No one. There were also many guys willingly taking multiple loads of cum up their asses. Sure it was fun to watch and stand around with other guys jacking off, but I was rather shocked to see so much bareback fucking with no intention of pulling out before cumming. Both giver and receiver wanted to cum in the bottom's ass.

Is everyone on Prep, or do guys don't care any longer? I'm a nudist and love hanging out with other naked guys, but this was my first party where the sex was everywhere, and dicks and subsequent loads were almost exclusively in the other guy's ass. The ages attending this party ranged from 25-65. If people were having sex , it was bareback. What's with all the unsafe sex? And hardly anyone was giving blowjobs. And if there were oral sex, it was ass to mouth sucking after the guy had been fucked without a condom.

How can you tell the guy at R79 is high, R230? Serious question.

I'm 38, with lots of acquaintances about 25 to 35 years old, and a majority of them bareback and do Prep. Guys my age and are more mixed about it.

Prep + horny young guys barebacking + availability of endless casual sex at the click of your phone = recipe for disaster.

Thanks R223 and R224

It's not so much that I think they're lying on purpose R224, it's that I don't know them well enough after a quick Grindr conversation to know how flaky they are and it's just not worth the chance.

I've barebacked with guys I've been in relationships with, but after being tested together and committing to monogamy.

But I don't get scenes like the one R231 describes. (Though I've never been invited to a nude party, gay, Halloween or otherwise, so what do I know, lol.)

This isn't exactly new, though, is it? I'm no longer in the hookup pool but in the ten years prior, when I was active on A4A, Scruff, etc., I listed myself as a top. I'd say that 90% of the people who contacted me, all ages and types, wanted bareback.

That's crazy stuff for 10 years ago, R236.

Considering only 4 percent of sexually active gay and bisexual men in the United States use Truvada, so there's an awful lot of unsafe barebacking going on.

Maybe I just attracted the wrong sort, R237. My most active period was from about 2006 until 2016, after which I decided I'd had enough. I wasn't particularly promiscuous and I'm definitely not a "10," so what I got was a few guys a month looking for a hairy daddy type. The majority of them really did want bareback, a lot of them even specifically saying that they wanted to be "bred." Only a couple inquired after my HIV status (negative, thankfully). Damn depressing after what my generation went through.

Were they mostly younger guys, R239?

Mid-20s to upper 40s, R240, so a reasonable range. I once chatted with a guy at the upper end of that range who said he was in town for a conference and that he worked at the Pentagon. Even at his age, he was looking for a "daddy" to dominate and fuck him. Bareback.

Having a hairy daddy breed me is one of the hottest things I can think of. I have roleplayed with a lot of beefy daddy types in uncle/nephew father/son set ups, all begging for them to breed me.

I can't think of any situation where pretend incest is anything other than revolting but more power to you if that's your thing. (And you keep it strictly in the fantasy realm.)

What is a naked Halloween party? Halloween is for costumes...

And if I ever went to a gay sex party and saw everyone having unprotected anal sex, I would probably never fuck again. I’m really not kidding. Call me an extremist but growing up in the 80s and 90s, this fad seems even more stupid and insane than Donald Trump does.

I hooked up with a hot millennial dude who gave me crabs.

R244. A naked Halloween party is one where you wear a mask or more precisely maybe just an eye mask--kind of like Zorro. You might wear a couple of accessories like a wristbands with cuff links, a bow tie, a jockstrap, leather harness or a cock ring. The place was decorated with a Halloween theme. So yes, you can have a naked Halloween party without wearing a costume.

Sounds fun R246

Pillow biters.

What about shit on your dick?

That is what condoms avoids. If you bareback you will at some point have the entire tip of your dick covered in shit.

R246 A leather harness! At a gay gathering! So creative!

r183 / r217 - I like how you put your idiocy on display with such flourish... especially how you act like you've "caught me" saying something incorrect, when none of that has happened...and you're the idiot. You don't think I know what is in Truvada and Kaletra? I can't google it and see the medication combos? You think you "got me" with that? Gurl bye.

Here - medical genius - is how liver enzymes work: They do not jump 100% overnight. They go up slowly. I said I could not take Truvada because it elevated my liver enzymes (Alanine transaminase (ALT) Aspartate transaminase (AST) - I figured I'd better spell it out for you since you'd come back and "correct" me as to which enzyme I was talking about. I am not talking about the metabolic pathways like CYP2C9, which ritonavir uses. I am talking about ALT and AST elevation, which indicates liver inflammation and damage damage. This stops immediately and reverses itself when you stop taking it. Is that so complicated? So, PEP for 28 days is fine. PrEP for indefinite use is not, unless I was having sex with 100 partners a month and then the risk/reward ratio would be in my favor.

I did not "impeach" myself - maybe you should look up the definition of that word.

Well Millenials are certainly fun - I have fucked many. Very true - next to no one wears condoms anymore and demanding to do so can certainly kill most of your app hookups (Grindr, Scruff, A4A, etc.). I am an exclusive top, so HIV has always been a relatively low risk for me in the grand scheme of STDs. That said, i have contracted a chlamydial UTI three times due to lapses in judgment when deciding to bareback some hot guy's ass. It is never fun. Sure, there is treatment - but it is no cup of tea and doing the walk of shame into your doctor's office for yet ANOTHER STD sucks. Also, one strain was resistant and I ended up taking multiple antibiotics for 3 months - with horrible aching/itching in the groin and penis area. Most STDs that affect your penis HURT like Hell. The anus is a different story - often times a bottom has no idea that he is carrying anything at all. There is more than just HIV to be worried about, but I don't think that most sexually active MIllenials really get that (and yes, we have all made this point ad naseum by now).

R252 and chlamydia is relatively harmless compared with hepatitis C and syphilis. Both of those diseases can be stealthy, going undetected with no apparent symptoms for years or even decades all the while doing serious damage to your body. Lyme disease is closely related to syphilis and it did exactly that to me. I got better with treatment, but it presented like MS or ALS, and it took years to diagnose while making me crazy in addition to torturing me with pain. People who recklessly risk their health are absolute fools, but a lot of people only learn the hard way.

You’d think it was well over 95% according to DL and the Grindr whores R238. The fact is NO ONE TAKES TRUVADA, and those who say they do are LYING.

My new drag name is "Chlamydia von Thurn und Taxis"

The glazed look on his face would be one indicator R232.

I don’t want to be a broke record but... SHIT on DICK is gross. Tops should risk it on the condom, not on their precious engorged manhoods.

I can't say I blame them. If HIV hadn't been a scary, mandatory death sentence when I was their age, I would have been fucking and barebacking all of the time too. That's another way people my age were screwed. We ended up terrified of AIDS and casual sex through no fault of our own. Having safe, casual, no strings attached sex in your 20s and 30s skipped a generation.

Dumb whores are going to ruin it for everyone.

The ordering takeout sex generation, I love it, R145.

R221 is right. Skin against skin is a different feel altogether.

I agree R258,

I’m 37 and never had unprotected sex except with my BF. We’ve been together for more than a decade. It does feel a million times better without a condom, but I’d never do it with anyone other than him.

Kenworthy is a pass around bareback bottom in NYC, R123. Here is a link that discusses this.

One can only imagine how many men have bred this ass raw.

Loads upon loads.

Once you’ve had bareback sex, R216, having condom anal is like going from filet mignon to to chuck steak.

MilleniHOS.

What R258 said. I hope gay millennials appreciate both spectrums of the marriage and sexual freedom they currently enjoy, and choose to be prudent so that they don't mess things up for themselves [italic] and [/italic] the generation who follows them.

Of course it's not just a millennial thing, R39. However, it is always the youngest men who dictate the current sexual culture and who do the most hooking up. If you know anyone under 40, you know that they are never far from checking Grindr or Scruff on their phones.

I don't think anybody on this thread is blaming them for being young and horny. This is more of a warning shot for them to consider the possible repercussions of not being careful.

That is a self-defeatist POV, R5.

They will be the cause of Hiv Version 2.0.

The entire barebacking thing is a collaborative effort, but millennials seem deadset on outslutting even their notoriously slutty parents.

Who wouldn't prefer this?

The generation after millennials is probably already pre-emptively protecting themselves against the promiscuity and excess of Millennials, R83. That would explain their chastity.

Elderly guys barebacking:

Barebacking except in strictly monogamous relationships is too ethically questionable.

That's why I stick to rimming.

Good for them.

R258 True. I have always been super careful. Bareback is even today impossible for me because of what my generation saw when I was just under my teenager years. Images of gay men crying because of so many passed away have stayed with me. Sad but true.

There are some salty gen x and boomers here lol It’s not millenial’s fault your peak slut years were tarnished by the aids epidemic.

You’re an asshole, R279.

I’m an older millennial and you should be grateful that we two generations before us

There are a lot of Helen Lovejoys in this thread. None of this is new. I remember in the mid-to-late 90s, at the peak of HIV consciousness, there was still a population of sexually active MSM who were barebacking - either sero-sorting or using other risk mitigation strategies. Go onto any hookup app and you'll see it's men of ALL ages looking to fuck bare. This thread is just a bunch of pearl-clutching youth-bashing. It's possible to catch Hep C from sex but only if blood is exchanged - it is not high risk. Newer HCV treatments are cheaper, quicker, and more effective. R232 - R230 is talking shit - there are no obvious signs that the guy in r79 is on drugs - he's just very happy getting his hole filled (and why not? it feels amazing). He might be high but there are no obvious indications of it.

Really? For years here, I thought the criticism was that they weren’t having enough sex and being prudish.

Everyone is being rather sluttish right now, R282.

What is it about eledergays fighting for our rights so younger generations have better lives but then becoming bitter at seeing a generation that doesn’t have PTSD when it come to gay sex/dating?

Then again most posters in here can’t get laid without paying for it, so they resent anyone who has sex.

I’m against slut-shaming, but the vicious smears against “elder gays” traumatized by AIDS are disgusting and unacceptable. Those posters should be tagged and banned. As a community we should be much more accepting, and respect the tremendous burdens and debts out forebears carried for us. The world we live in today was build on the backs of LGBTQ folks who died long before many of you were even born. They lived through unimaginable horrors. Show some damn respect.

I agree with R285, and I'm a millennial. Redtag the little shits making ageist, dismissive,trolling posts.

There is an Egyptian made sofosbuvir/ravidasvir Hep C treatment that only cost 300 bucks in developing countries. But, is it available in rich countries, the 60K dollar question!

I don’t see anyone use condoms much anymore sadly. As a bottom, I started PrEP because most tops just wont use condoms anymore. They are so used to easily finding bottoms on PrEP that tops don’t even think of condoms and will ignore you if you insist of them.

[quote] e. They are so used to easily finding bottoms on PrEP that tops don’t even think of condoms and will ignore you if you insist of them.

That's fucked up, R288.

Love in the Era of Trump.

If a guy tells me he's okay with me fucking him raw, PrEP or not I take that as a good sign to walk away.

Agreed with R291.

Why, R291? As long as you are on PrEP, even if he is lying, then you are safe. The protection has to only go one way here. I know I’m on PrEP. That is a true fact. So whether my tops are actually on PrEP or not is irrelevant. I am protected from HIV either way.

I believe Millenials refuse to act on fear when it comes to sexuality. Eldergays lost people to AIDS and that can not only traumatize people but also make them change (from bareback sex to safe sex as in using condoms).

I believe a few very public AIDS related celbrity deaths would make barebacking Millennials reconsider. Especially when they find out how costly it is to live with HIV and share that info with their fellow Millennials.

R291 BECAUSE THE CLAP. SYPH. CHLAMYDIA. HEP C. etc etc etc god people are so fucking dense. Yes PREP is fine you don't get HIV. Now we are swimming in STIs that are not HIV.

So r294, wants wealthy people in industrialized nations to die of AIDS in order to reach millennials to fear hiv?

Seriously, some of you need to see therapist. You sound pissed you get people don’t have to live with the same fears you did.

Ahh, if only we could go back to a time where any gay who had unprotected sex “learned” a lesson. The good old days, back when you wore condoms or died, back when you were considered a criminal just for being gay. Seriously. Some of you have severe PTSD issues better dealt with in private.

And also so delusional to blame barebacking on millennials. I’m in my 30s and don’t date under 30 yet everyone over 30 is barebacking too.

What R295 said. All major STDs are on the rise amongst gay men. I think the advent of online hookup apps has a lot to do with this.

Hard to pass this up.

Right, R282? They’ve complained here for years about millennials not having sex, and now they’re doing a complete 180 and calling people whores. Screw them bitches!

The majority of the ones who I am acquaintances with are having very little sex at all - despite quite a few being very attractive. I would agree that condom usage has dried up in the past decade also. This is not an exclusively Millenial practice, but I would agree that the ones who actually are having lots of sex are likely getting fucked bare.

Good riddance to morons

R298 You leave George-Michael alone!

There's just too much weird and scary stuff popping up now for me to ditch condoms and put all my trust in a pill.

[R13] I am kind of jealous of them with now having the ability to be sluttier and sluttier from a young age.If I was young nowadays I would probably be unashamedly very slutty and promiscuous .

What R109 said. HIV was never [italic]as [/italic] scary to us, because most of us weren't sexually active until after the mid-90s,and by that point there was the AZT cocktail and the narrative in the news and media was changing to 'HIV isn't a death sentence anymore. Look at Magic Johnson!" Also, we didn't see close age peers die from it, so there was that.

Nevertheless, super gonorrhea is frightening!

AIDS still terrified me as a teen, R305. I had an uncle who was on the cocktail, and his medicine cabinet of pills frightened me. He was always a bit nauseous. Taking all of that medication did not seem like any fun type of way to live.

My mom's cousin died of AIDS and after he was gone it was like he'd never existed.

What is that supposed to mean, R308. The family pretended he had never lived?

It means the extended family never brought him up again, I'm sure his siblings did/do but no one in my part of the family does.

Millennial men are incredibly vain and all about grooming, showing off their bodies, cocks, etc. I'm not surprised they're enjoying lots of sex. Play safe, boys.

Do Tommy and Gio bareback?

Truvada is a very shady drug assembled from rejects of Cancer treatment, I wouldn't take this shit if you paid me, plus it fucks up your liver, just read the package insert. There's already a super Gonorrhea bacteria due to people brushing it off as no big deal. Spreading viruses and bacteria will increase their power, stop being stupid.

How come the updated Truvada, Descovy, hasn't been researched and approved as PrEP? It has the less iffy formulation of tenofovir - tenofovir alafenamide or TAF.

People trust pharma not to fuck up the dosage or some other mishap in manufacturing? Remember some of the fuck ups with birth control pills?

R313 oh dear. There’s so much wrong in your statement, dear. Where and how do you think most drugs are funded and researched? What do you think the primary driver for drug research for the last 50 years has been?

Yes, the insert does warn you about the requirement for frequent liver testing. There’s a specific genetic condition that can cause a fatal reaction. It’s also why you’re not supposed to drink or take specific classes of NSAIDs when on Truvada. I think you should have paid attention to that risk factor. You also could have included the FDA data on actual organ damage statistics for NSAIDS as a comparison. General liver damage occurs at roughly 2% - or twice the rate of Truvada. Indeed, there have been more market recalls for NSAIDs in the last ten years than any other class medication due to organ damage.

We should compare apples to apples and why the insert (and your doctor) tells you to avoid NSAIDs with Truvada intead of fearmongering with half the truth.

Doncha hate the "dear" queens?

Dear R317 , absolutely!

Enjoy!

How is their anal hygiene?

Dear R317, bless your heart!

I love Jess Vill, R116. Still want to know if it's true that he barebacks!

Then again, he's very fond of showing off his ass. It wouldn't come as any surprise.

David Archuleta is a millennial.

Does he do bareback?

He doesn't even shower barechest, R324, much less do bareback.

Looks like Jeff Koons, billionaire hack.

Young guys are not getting tested for HIV.

[quote] Baby Boomers did not listen to the two generations before them, deeming them out of touch and deficient, and Millennials are doing the same exact thing now.

This. Millennials are a strange mix of being exceedingly polite as someone already mentioned, and at the same time, dismissing everyone before them.

That doesn't surprise me at all, R195. Millennials are mostly a non-confrontational bunch, which I will give them credit for. They avoid the face to face rudeness, choosing to air their grievances after the fact.

The photo at R328 captures so much about millennial men, both gay AND straight.

Only on DL would acting polite be considered a negative thing, r328.

Millennial male narcissism, you say?

All young men are narcissists.

Millennial guys ignoring them and not engaging them in any fighting and bitchery probably drives them up the wall, R331.

Are they playing basketball naked at R328?

I wasn't, R333.

There are worse things than narcissism. Unsafe sex, however, is worrisome.

Somebody needs to create decorative condoms, then have some online celebrities photograph them and make them go viral on Instagram and Youtube. that’ll bring condoms back.

R322, OF COURSE he barebacks! He's on PrEP--he barebacks.

[quote] Baby Boomers did not listen to the two generations before them, deeming them out of touch and deficient, and Millennials are doing the same exact thing now.

Which makes me wonder about the very posters who accuse the Millennials of dismissing the generations before them. They most likely did the very same they accuse the Millennials of.

But do they take barebacking selfies?

[quote] But do they take barebacking selfies?

If you knew your way around tumblr you'd know the answer already.

I’m either the youngest GenXer or oldest Millennial... but I don’t consider myself a millennial. Millennial guys who I meet at the gym or hanging out are constantly texting me naked selfies and hole close up shots. They’re definitely narcissists and exhibitionists. These guys are barely even friends and not people I’ve slept with. They just love showing off and begging to take loads.

Guys born before 1985 generally are not so quick to send naked pics or beg for loads. To steal from a different thread, I think most guys my age would call that behavior [italics] déclassé.

[quote] who I meet at the gym or hanging out are constantly texting me naked selfies and hole close up shots.

Can we switch gyms?

[quote] who I meet at the gym or hanging out are constantly texting me naked selfies and hole close up shots.

Clearly I hang around with the wrong crowd. Nobody's sending me dick or hole pics. All I get are IKEA furniture (wouldn't THAT look great at your / my place?) or food dishes (OMG, so delictious!) pics.

Barebacking selfie!!

Who are they at r346?

Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein, Rose.

I don’t see what the big, damn deal is. Young guys guys having lots of sex. Oh heavens, no!

Justin Clynes barebacks

Millennial guys can be vapid, but they're hot, friendly and open to older men. I've had lots of good times with them, both during sex and beyond just that.

r347, top is Casey Tanner (Helix Studios) and bottom is Connor Kline (Sean Cody / Helix / MEN / Lucas Entertainment ...).

I knew someone would be able to identify them. THanks R352

I’m just here for the barebacking gifs and pics.

It's all fun and games until your brain gets eaten by super Syphilis.

I hooked up with a young guy who was slightly strung out and wanted me to fuck him BB. I'm HIV-, but I very well could have been poz, for all he knew or cared in the state he was in.

I consider BB with other millennials. Especially ones I know (didn't meet on grindr) Would never do it with anyone over 30.

I don’t find it a turnon at all. I see bareback sex among guys who are clearly not exclusive with one another, and my mind’s eye sees furry bluegraygreen bacteria growing in petri dishes in time-lapse progression. HIV is a virus that *may* be mostly preventable and treatable given proper precautions. Condomless promiscuous sex with strangers, PrEP or not, is an oasis for all kinds of infectious bacteria. PrEP doesn’t interfere with bacterial infections in any way, and they are on the rise, increasingly drug resistant and deadly serious.

Why are you hooking up with strung-out twinks, R356?

"Millennial guys barebacking"

Are pains in the ass.

Why not, R359?

I don’t think he would have cared sober R360 R361. Millennials seem more concerned about getting their flu shots religiously than risking a life-changing chronic STD.

It’s because we love sex and sex with condoms does not feel good at all. Why deny yourself all that pleasure when you can be HIV-free for life with a simple pill?

R363 sometimes it’s not only about a physical connection.

My dreaded old person/GenX perspective.

I remember when using condoms wasn’t just self-protection; it was a social responsibility. Part of the reason everyone and especially big ol gay whores used them was because of a social contract by which we all agreed implicitly that not passing around a deadly infectious disease was a good thing to do. Because, you know, less disaster.

Now it’s all “welp I’m safe from HIV, so fuck the world!” A very Trumpian approach to social interaction as syphilis and hepatitis rates climb and who knows what sorts of mutant infections are brewing in the colons of millions of gay men?

We can’t ask about public health interests now, can we, because that’s “sex negative.”

I agree with R362. The twink wouldn't have cared either way, strung out or sober.

So what did the strung out twink look like, R356?

R365, mutant infections?

R368 Yes. Bacteria, viruses and fungi evolve. They evolve at accelerated rates when 1) spread readily around and 2) they exist in prolonged exposure to antimicrobials. As people pop antibiotics and antifungals and antivirals while taking infectious fluids into their bodies, the infectious agents inevitably will mutate into drug-resistant strains. And then people will be infected en masse with drug-resistant strains. And that will be called an epidemic or a plague, depending on severity.

If you care about yourself you protect yourself. If you don't care about yourself, well ...

R370 ...hurt others?

R323 Whats his deal? professional 'gay' party boy, with every second picture on his insta of his ass. But I see he never hashtags gay and he has a daugther that he sometimes posts as well.

i always assumed that was his niece, R372. daughter, really?

"...he has a daughter that he sometimes posts..."

Sounds like child abuse.

R373 Nope, its his daughter. Wether he is bi, whether he was closted and came out as gay after having the kid, or whether its a test tube baby that he helped out a femalemfriend I dont know.....

Whatever he is, he's hot!

Hopefully daughter doesn't know that daddy barebacks!

This just in...Millennial men continue the trend from previous generations of being dumbasses.

Listen to your elders!

All she has to do is look at daddy's Insta to get a hint of what activities he's up to, R376!

Yes. They all have the mentality that they will not get infected with HIV and other STDs.

For most of my sexual life, I have insisted on condoms as a top and a bottom. Now on PrEP and with Poz guys undetectable, I have loosened my rules to have bareback sex. It definitely feels more natural and the rhythm continues rather than be broken by having to put on a condom.

I like getting fucked by older guys and they seem to be the only ones who still use condoms, which is fine by me.

Antibiotic-resistant gonorrhea has clearly affected R15's ability to spell.

Met two guys just this week, 27 and 30, on separate occasions who wanted me to fuck them raw.

Did you do it, R384?

R322, so Jess Vill? Or he Vont?

To quote Pink "Stupid Girls".

Exactly R387. If a man wants it raw and claims he is on PREP, neg, or "clean" from all diseases I tell them no thanks and cut off all contact.

Same here. 54 and loving it.

R389 so you fuck and get fucked raw by men ages 18-26?

If you’re under 30 and choose to do this, then may the force be with you. I hope that placing your future in the hands of pharmaceutical corporations’ goodwill works out for you, and that you don’t acquire brain-dissolving syphilis or organ-melting hepatitis along the way.

If you’re over 30 and remember when HIV was AIDS and AIDS killed cruelly one hundred percent of the time and you still choose to do this, you’re a mystery to me.

Exactly R391. I am bisexual, in my mid 30s, and it is scary to me how many men and women think that it is fine to fuck raw/bare or swallow anyone, and that Truvada is a magic pill which makes unprotected sex perfectly fine. Yes it may protect against one type/strain of HIV most of the time but what if it fails or the other person/people have strains resistant to it? Prep does not protect against hep c or all the other diseases and bacterial infections.

I enjoy oral sex and I wish it was true that giving it didn't put you at risk for HIV infection and other STDs only that's not the case.

Condoms are a must for anal and vaginal sex.

R390. No. They fuck me. on PReP here. This is a relatively new thing, being chased by you g twinkish tops. Lithe, eager, rock hard and thoroughly enjoying fucking an older guy. Go figure.

R393 we are discussing gay sex, no one cares about heterosexual intercourse here, so why bring up you being 'bisexual'? Fuck off.

R392, who doesn’t swallow? I always do and every single guy I’ve been with has swallowed my load if given the opportunity. There is nothing dangerous about swallowing. I’m sure the acid in your stomach would kill anything in cum.

Prep takes care of anal safety. Antibiotics have worked on any of the lesser STDs I’ve picked up.

This is a new world. I get that there was trauma going through AIDS in the 80’s and 90’s, but that is behind us now.

IMO, millennials are the first generation where men, gay and straight, are obsessed with looking very pretty and fit, maybe even more than women. I'm not surprised they're indulging in lots of sex and multiple partners who validate that.

new era baby

They're all about muscles and sex and YOLO. Recipe for disaster.

Am I the only one doubting all our DLers having supposed hot bareback sex with 25 year old studs all of the time??

DLers are all 49 but look 26 years old, R399, so it's not too hard to believe.

Partying like it's 1979...

Free gay sex hookup potential is available everywhere through your phone 24/7, gay acceptance is at the highest it's ever been, and now the possibility of HIV has all but been eliminated. Add in vain, horny young men obsessed with body image and that = tons of casual, careless sex.

R395 I sometimes will spit blood when I brush and floss my teeth so that's why I am picky about who I give oral sex to, and I don't swallow or take cum in my mouth. I also like to masturbate with men and have us shoot cum on each other or watch each other eat our cum. I know some men use condoms or latex barriers for giving oral sex but I would rather masturbate alone than taste latex. Truvada or prep and antibiotics do not provide protection against all STDs. I am not sure how old you are but I grew up seeing and hearing about people getting HIV and developing AIDS and dying from a compromised immune system. I am not on PREP as I am a lot more into oral sex and BDSM. My doctor told me how since I always use condoms for anal sex as top with men and for when I have sex with a woman or man and woman together, that it wouldn't really be necessary to go on PREP. The side effects of prep make me just always use condoms and practice safer sex instead of going on PREP.

R394, because there are a lot of women who are HIV+, and ones who like the millenial gay men want to get fucked raw. The majority of people who have HIV or are newly infected are bisexual and gay men, and apparently black and Latino men are being infected in large numbers, but are white men? Or are most bisexual and gay white men on PREP, or using condoms? IV drug use is also a lot more of a problem than people want to admit, and it's a myth that IV drug addicts will instead getting high and having to share a needle, go out and exchange used needles, buy new needles, or go to a safe injection site instead.

You also have men buying prep online and they don't take it daily but think that it's a medication you just take right before you have unprotected sex.

I am mesmerized by the gif at R79.

Is all this BBing being compounded by drug use? I have no clue what the young guys get up to these days.

R109 how old are you? Yes R100 European millenials are on PREP.

R406, no they think that prep is some magic pill that will always keep them hiv- and have the mentality that HIV and other diseases will never happen to them. There are also men in their 50s and older who are on PREP or just want it bare.

R406 also R109 and R305 mentioned how they have the mentality that if they become poz it is no big deal they will just go on meds.

You are an idiot if you believe all those millennials on Grindr saying they take Truvada. 99% of millennials don’t have jobs with benefits, much less insurance that will cover a monthly medication that costs thousands of dollars. I might believe a man in his forties with an actual job would be taking Prep, maybe, but I’d ask to see the prescription and the bottle. Anyone under the age of 35 is most likely lying about taking Prep.

There is more than a little resentment on this thread.

I don't understand BB, even with PrEP. There are some awful other STDs out there that one can catch by having sex without a condom. Why would someone put themselves at risk for those in exchange for 10 minutes of heightened pleasure? I just don't get it. Yes, at 51 I'm old and out of shape and not desired sexually, but even when I was young and good looking, I had some self-control.

[quote] They're all about muscles and sex

Sounds like every large portion of gay men since forever?

Super Gonorrhea and Super Syphilis would have been great Marvel characters, shame Stan is gone

Exactly R411.

R409 I am not into hook ups but the few times I have had them I just had safer sex with people who I met in person in bars. My friends who are into hookups and using apps and sites said how if the guy wants it raw/bare they just find someone else who has safer sex and uses condoms.

Well, when you are horny you don't exactly think with your brain (which would tell you to protect yourself and use condoms). You think with your dick which wants to feel skin on skin contact without rubber inbetween for maximum pleasure.

^I can understand young gay guys with this mentality. ALL guys that age, gay or straight, think with their dicks and think they're immortal. But what's troubling it that it's also gay guys in their 30s, 40s, and 50s who are seemingly mature and who should know better who have this mentality. There comes a point in life where you need to grow up and act mature and sensibly, and some of these "older" guys are not doing that.

Pffft. Amateurs.

The gen after millennials are the ones supposedly having less sex.

Is this what they're into.

R418 don't you mean before millenials or gen x or gen y? Aren't millenials born in the 90s and early 2000s? Or wouldn't the generation after millenials young teens, or young adults now?

R417 It is wrong but I laughed.

Also all of this bareback sex is just going to lead to new drug resistant STDs including HIV, or outbreaks of other diseases that usually do not infect most adults including bisexual and gay adult men like meningitis did a few years back.

[quote]Aren't millenials born in the 90s and early 2000s?

No. Sources differ on an 'official' range, but the general consensus is that millennials are born between 1981 and 1996. Those born in 1997 and after are considered to be "Generation Z".

I know these stats are 2 years old, but only approx 80K PrEP prescriptions were issued in 2016 in the US. Getting a prescription is an exhaustive, expensive, and personally intrusive process (you go on "a list"). No way all these dudes on hook up sites are on PrEP.

It is really, really foolish to assume that everyone who says that they're on PrEP is telling the truth. These are platforms where people regularly use old pictures, are knowingly inaccurate about their weight, height and dick size, and present themselves to be more 'masc' than they really are.

Thanks R432 I had read about how millenials were born in the late 1970s.

Late 70s is Gen X. Millennials are all 1980s babies, and up through 1996. They are 22 to 37 years old, so essentially almost all young men of prime sex age, so it's no surprise they're engaging in the brunt of risky sexual behaviour.

EXACTLY, R424. Most Prep “users” are LYING.

No they aren't. New HIV cases are falling in Europe. Barebacking is almost the norm and transmissions are down. They are taking the Truvada. That doesn't touch the issue of other STIs.

The situation must be better in Europe then, R429, because HIV cases are up in the US, and STDs are WAY up.

You have a better chance of stopping a waterfall with your hand than getting horny guys to abstain from free, copious amounts of sex if it's available to them.

I won't even kiss anyone nowadays. Who knows if the inevitable Super-AIDS which is probably circulating as we speak can be spread through saliva.

That may make me sound like a Mary! but I start to understand germophobes who can't even shake people's hands. Not just STIs, but socializing becomes more and more like Russian Roulette (I know, Mary!) where a simple caugh can get you on your deathbed or make you lose your home thanks to an enormous hospital bill.

Sometimes ignorance is bliss. All this information about diseases and how they can be transmitted can scare you more than any horror film these days. I mean what do you do with such an amount of knowledge when you can't find a way to feel good while playing safe (because it may not be safe enough)?

Some of you nervous gurls could use some therapy.

Better therapy than waking up one morning terrified of a purple spot on my forearm.

R429 it depends upon which region, country, and city in Europe.

Those fools on PREP must have a death wish.

A general question: if you were contemplating hooking up with a guy you just met online, would it be a dealbreaker if he told you he sometimes has raw sex with other guys (even if he's willing to do it with you using a condom)? And yes, he claims to be on PrEP.

I know lots of guys here say they'd never have bareback sex themselves, but curious if that also means they'd never have condom sex either with a guy they know has raw sex with others. If the answer's no, you wouldn't do it, does that mean you have no more faith in condoms than you do in PrEP?

R424. Getting a prescriptino for PrEP is not exhausting. You get a blood test to demonstrate you’re not HIV positive. A cautious doctor may run a full STI panel, which I requested anyway. A separate panel for current liver and kidney function to ensure there aren’t any issues. That’s 2 vials of blood and 1 urine sample. Not overwhelming, is it?

Once your labs come back, your prescription is issued. That’s the sum total of the effort. Every three months, you get tested again - which I supposed if you’re smart enough to request PrEP, you likely are getting tested regularly.

R430. Not a correct reading . HIV rates are down from 2010 and have been steadily decreasing. The change in the distribution is with ... heterosexuals who are 23% of all cases. That’s primarily due to injectable drug use.

They're into being cumdumpsters. I'm not sure what's fueling it.. maybe all that porn?

One thing is certain: Literally every single sexually active gay man will contract herpes, at a bare minimum, as a direct result of PrEP.

NOBODY IS ACTUALLY TAKING PREP.

With nearly 9% of the population reporting some same sex activity, and only approx 50,000 people actually prescribed the drug, only .15% of gay oriented people are taking it. Barely a tenth of 1%. A vast, vast majority are LYING. You have an extremely low chance of encountering someone who is actually on it. You think all of those poor gays who can barely make rent in Hell’s Kitchen have insurance that allows them to be on Prep? LOLOL. The only thing they care about is their next coke bump. You queens are DELUSIONAL. There is going to be a massive explosion in HIV infection rates in the next few years, and NYC will be the epicenter, yet again. If someone tells you they’re on Prep, tell them to show you the prescription bottle.

R442 = Henny Penny

And coke bump? Really? Is this 1982?

[quote] Is this 1982?

It just might be soon.

R436 The HIV transmission rates went down. That's all I said, And then immediate mentioned STIS. I do STI outright/education in Switzerland. Most doctors don't even know that Hep C has been sexually transmissible among horny gays for over a decade. Everyone still things of drug addicts or fisters and in particular HIV+ fisters. But no. In fact it HEP C seems to come in waves.

The Dutch government is doing the correct thing - making sure all HEP C carriers are immediately treated and with an affordable drug. There are countries in Europe who refused to put the HEP C cure on the MANDATORY list of covered medicines, for everyone who gets HEP C. It's very expensive. The price HAS to come down. It's as immoral as the HIV treatment being so costly.

Its nice people aren't getting HIV but we're heading down a strange road.

I do feel like gay men are rebelling against sex not being deadly by trying to make it as dangerous as possible by behaving as recklessly as possible. It’s bizarre. Maybe social repression of homosexuality is the only way to prevent gay men from fucking like caged rabbits.

“If we can’t reproduce our genes, we can at least replicate microbial life!”

R443 = flyover rube troll. Put it on ignore.

Drug-resistant HIV is lurking around the corner.

Ten years from now, when it's widespread, all the cum dumpsters will be blaming President Pence.

Use condoms!

[quote]There is going to be a massive explosion in HIV infection rates in the next few years, and NYC will be the epicenter, yet again.

To this point -- and I hate to generalize -- but what is with the gay men of Manhattan? It's like they have no boundaries whatsoever. I swear every gay man whose profile I open here in the city is a barebacking, partying 'ho "with no limits," etc. (Many are also poz, though I will give them credit for being more open and honest these days about their status.) Contrast this with guys outside the city (Brooklyn, Queens, Jersey, etc.) who say they're just looking for safe sex with someone normal, mature, and sane with no interest in all the crazy stuff. Now again, I don't mean to generalize (there's good and bad everywhere) but it just seems living here in Manhattan flips some kind of switch in gay men that makes them abandon all self-control and let their freak flag fly, at least a lot more than guys who don't live on the island. Maybe because there's so much variety in the city? Who the fuck knows. It's just bizarre when you think about it.

R451 Same in DC. Many people are in the city to indulge in all things, from high salaries to expensive food to drinking and drugging to a cornucopia of sex. It’s basically American Psycho, a 1980s anything-goes approach to life without limits that usually ends with “hitting rock bottom,” which sometimes means death.

It's because a lot of guys in those cities are from flyoverland where they were the only gay in the entire village. Then they get to a big city where there are thousands and thousands of gay inclined cocks and asses available to them.. of course they're going to fuck to their heart's content! It's not rocket science!

R437 yes. I avoid sex with people who want it raw/bare, and who are on PREP they might be HIV+, or could be neg, but prep does not provide protection against other diseases.

R451 it's like what R453 posted. It's like this in all cities in the United States and other countries.

Hey, any of you bitches know if PrEP will protect me from herpes or clap?

I live in NYC and am partnered, so not on prep and not having sex outside of the relationship. Most of my friends are single and are on prep. They all get it from their doctors, get STI checks every three months, and take truvada every day. I think that most millennial gays who live in manahattan have insurance through work and therefore take prep appropriately.

There are many programs in nyc to get guys without insurance on prep with proper 3 month testing. The dept of health in nyc has a goal to get zero new cases of hiv by 2020 (or something like that). They know that the best way of doing so is with treatment as prevention (YES- it is true, U=U. Anyone who disagrees is too uninformed to even argue this) and with prep. Therefore the city provides free testing, free healthcare for those who are pos, and free programs for prep and pep.

Perhaps other cities aren’t as good about getting guys on prep, but nyc takes it seriously. Prep is a tool in ending hiv. I’m all for it. If I were single, I’d be on it (and hopefully using condoms as well- but I can’t say for sure because I’ve been with my bf before prep was available).

R457 I really hope neither you or your partner cheat on each other and do it raw/bare with fuck buddy side pieces.

Thank you for your concern R458 but we are honest and open with each other. He knows that if he wanted to have sex with someone, he would tell me , be safe, and then we would get STI checks. We are in our mid 30s now and don’t really have the energy to hook up with other guys. We have amazing sex with each other- maybe that’s why we usually aren’t interested in other people. When we were younger, we had 3-somes and outside hook-ups music more often, be we were always honest about it. We both get checked 6-12 months and have never had an STI, so I’m pretty sure he’s still being honest. We did have sex with another couple last summer, but we used condoms and both topped. We’ve been together for like 15 years, so if I can’t trust him, I can’t trust anyone.

[quote]Most of my friends are single and are on prep. They all get it from their doctors, get STI checks every three months, and take truvada every day. I think that most millennial gays who live in manahattan have insurance through work and therefore take prep appropriately.

Newsflash: guys lie to get what they want, especially about sex, and especially if (as R221 pointed out) there is "no stronger primordial need for us to breed and [be] bred".

You selectively quoted me R460 and left out my major points in doing so.

As I said, these are friends with who I do not have sex, so they have no reason to lie to me. I’ve seen some of their truvada bottles and details of their doctors appts have come up in conversation, so I’m sure they’re telling the truth.

Other than prep being good for our community, I have no reason to decent it (I do not take it).

Sorry for the typos Who=whom Decent=defend

Those new strains of STIs are no joke, and I won't be surprised if they end up being worse than HIV in the long run.

A lot of men want to live sexually on the edge. If something is too "safe" it becomes boring.

Safe IS boring. If I wanted safe, I'd have been straight lol. One of the best things about being gay is being able to throw caution to the wind and say fuck you to heteronormative values. Now with PrEP, fucking raw is safer than ever. Don't limit yourself sexually. Life is a banquet!

From my experience, millennial men with beards all like fucking raw.

R466 so do twinks without any facial hair.

R465 hahaha the "life's a banquet!" Troll always cracks me up.

R465 do you tell that to all the raw tops that cum up your ass?

Man's biological urge to spread his seed.

This idea that everyone on Prep is getting a sexual health check every three months is ridiculous. The majority of people aren't out to their doctor and don't want their sexuality, or STD tests on their medical record.

Most of the guys I know on Prep get it online and don't ever have health checks. It's cheaper online but who knows what's in it, or if it's really Truvada? A lot of them only take it either side of the weekend to cut down on cost.

It's just a nightmare waiting to happen.

[quote] Most of the guys I know on Prep get it online and don't ever have health checks. It's cheaper online

Cheaper online??? Truvada for prep is totally free. Whatever insurance doesn’t cover is paid for with a copay card.

Only an estimated 136000 men have a Truvada script. Do you know how many sexually active gay men there are in LA, NYC, and other major cosmopolitan areas alone? Millions, dears. MILLIONS. The vast VAST majority of gay men in this country DO NOT TAKE PREP. A tiny portion of priviliged white men over the age of 25 who either have insurance or whose parents pay for their insurance can get this script. The communities that actually need it the most ARE NOT GETTING IT.

The willful and delusional blindness on this subject here is breataking. MEN ARE NOT TAKING PREP. YOU ARE BEING LIED TO. What don’t you get about this?

R472,

If YOU take prep, it doesn’t matter if the OTHER guy is on it, because you’ll be well protected. I don’t think anyone is barebacking, not on prep, not using condoms, and expects to stay negative.

I agree with you, that condoms are very useful, but so is prep. Prep+condoms is the best protection.

I’m on PrEP so I know I’m protected. Yes, I’m a white guy living in HK who has insurance through my employer, but so are all the guys with whom I’m fucking.

Are you a millennial, R474?

@r474, dear, just how many men ARE you, ahem, fucking?

I blame Mpreg fics!

My dad always said that "Gays should just get AIDS and die!". He died over ten years ago and I still remain HIV negative just out of spite.

R472 exactly. Also not everyone can take it or stay on it. I have friends who were on it, and they were taken off of it by their doctor because prep fucked up their liver, and their liver levels returned to normal after they stopped taking prep.

R478 sorry for your loss. Did he know that you are gay? Did he die from HIV/AIDS, or a compromised immune system?

R473 nobody that's on PREP uses condoms. They all were into bareback sex long before prep or the post exposure meds were even around.

What about the guys who load up on PrEP just before a weekend of BB sexual adventures but then don't take it during the week? Does taking it randomly like that offer protection, or do you need to take it every day?

R472 is the voice of reason. Sadly, most gays reason with their dick.

R482. No it does not.

Shocker. Young guys who think with their dicks are having lots of raw sex with multiple partners.

R475, yes I am a millennial and usually have 2-3 hook ups a week. I really love sex (doesn’t everyone?) and I’m glad that I can bareback now guilt-free.

The Atlantic is doing an all-day forum on HIV/AIDS. Consistent, repeated emphasis from experts on the need to use condoms while on PrEP and the real public health risks of people on PrEP spreading other sexually transmitted diseases. The scientist talking now said that in surveillance, “we can see in the data when HIV is coming—a patient gets chlamydia, then gonorrhea, then chlamydia, maybe syphilis—we know HIV is coming. It’s terrible; we can see it coming to that patient.”

How are people so fucking stupid as to trust a major pharmaceutical company with their lives like this?

It’s going to take another holocaust for gay men to wake up R487. Even then, I don’t have a lot of faith that gay men will ever grow up when it comes to their absurd self destructive behaviors and sex.

R487,

You’re correct that prior STIs (especially a history of rectal goborrhea) predict a high likelihood of become HIV+. I believe a large reason for that is because it is a marker of risky sexual behavior.

However, if someone is on Truvada, and is taking it properly (which is not hard to do), they almost will certainly not get HIV.

As someone upthread alluded to- these guys were barebacking before prep. Prep is a powerful weapon to prevent HIV infection.

If I were single, I would definitely be on it. I don’t think it would change that fact that I would use condoms for anal sex and would behave myself the best I could.

When I was a kid, I did stupid things and definitely could have seroconverted... and I was relatively selective and careful. It was luck that I stayed negative. I can see that other guys could slip up with condoms and not be as lucky. That’s why PrEP is so important.

I was a slut for years and it’s a miracle I never got HIV. Makes me wonder if I have some sort of immunity.

^Well, it certainly sounds as if you're immune to any sort of self-restraint and impulse control.

R489 what stupid things did you do as a young adult?

I had a hot, SAFE BB encounter at the gym tonight. I met two hotties in the steam, and we started chatting. Before I knew it, I was on all fours getting fucked doggie by one, and sucking off the other. I'm not on PrEP, but the guy fucking me told me that he is. When I asked the guy who I sucked off, his response was a vague "not really." So, I had a raw PrEP dick seeding my boi-cunt, and a non-PrEP dick face fucking my face. Doesn't get any safer than that. Damn, nothing better than being youngish and gay guy in NYC! So many options.

R493 so you believed some total stranger when he told you he is on PREP? Raw/BB sex with strangers even men who claim to be on PREP is never safe. How old are you?

If this really actually happened, go to a hospital and get on the post exposure meds, and get tested for everything not just HIV. Good luck.

R493....

MARY! r494

Is gay life in NYC a banquet R493?

I believe in NYC it's referred to as "queer" life.

It sure is for me, r497. I'm youngish and fairly good looking, so I'm able to nab some quality cock, if I do say so myself. I believe the top when he told me he's on PrEP. Anyway, on the remote chance he's lying and even more remotely that he has HIV, he looked very healthy, so even if he is poz, he's 99.99% undetectable and thus unable to transmit the virus. So I have zilch to worry about, except maybe figuring out how to walk tomorrow lmao.

R493 R499 attitudes like yours are why lots of bisexual and gay men became infected after HIV/AIDS was well known about in the 1980s, 1990s, and early 2000s.

R492,

Nothing too crazy. I did allow penetration without a condom (top and bottom) a handful of times in my late teens early 20s when I believed everyone was honest, but never for very long. I was young and stupid. It may even be possible to get hiv if precum gets on your hole. Condoms are meant to be worn before any penis-anus contact. Many guys don’t do this which is why condoms are only 70% or so effective.

R500, Do you really think R493 is serious?

Uh, no I live in NYC and no one refers to anything as “queer” unless they’re under the age of 20, and who even talks to those people?

They should just change the name of this thread title to Bitter Old Bitches Complaining.

That’s 99% of the DL R503

R503

some people can't register the most blatant sarcastic role play

I've tossed out the condoms and have gone full-on BB. Once you go raw, you will never ever want to switch back to condoms. The increase in sensation and pleasure is palpable. And I've been having more sex than ever since no one seems to be inhibited about BB these days. It's like the 1970s again where we can just have sex and not worry about dying from it. I love you, prep!

My question for guys who BB: what about feces on your dick? Do you have to be careful not to go in too deep? I fucked a guy yesterday with a condom and when I pulled out, of course there was just a little bit on the tip of the condom. All I could think about in that moment was how glad I was I had one on because I wouldn't have wanted that on the tip of my cock.

So is this a concern or do you just not worry about it?

The pro-PrEP guys here are 99% bottoms, R508.

R508 that's why I use condoms, am more into oral sex, and as a top have never fucked raw/bare. I am not on PREP since my doctor said it would be pointless to go on since I use condoms and have safer sex.

OMG GROSS OMG you mean going up in a man's heiny might make my weiner touch some caca?

Your bottom needs to wash his goddamn asshole. I’ve been with my husband for nearly 20 years, and never once have either of us gotten any shit on our dicks

I think this is proof that HIV is not easy to contract. The reason so many guys in the early 80s died is because of their extreme lifestyles: everything, all the time.

But it's Russian Roulette. 40k - 50k sero-conversions annually are not so fortunate.

millennial men are whores.

R402, incipient Kaposi's on Lefty there?

Don't worry, R511. You're already shit anyway.

R515 that doesn't look like KS.

This thread is just further proof that total bottoms ruin everything eventually.

What's the problem?

However fucking feels, it looks ridiculous.

I BB-ed with a hunky stranger at a truck rest stop early this morning. His big ole hairy beer can cock bred my boipussy. He was wearing a wedding ring, which was icing on the cake lmao. Jealous?

^ Living the Datalounge dream.

This post needs more pics and videos of barebacking.

Straight married guys are THE.BEST! Many are more than willing to fuck other guys BB. Nothing better than having raw straight dick in you!

these are depressing times. what else is there to do but fuck as many hot guys as you can? at least it's free and it's a guaranteed good time.

It's not always free r525 but sometimes paying is worth it!

The human race is doomed...or at least the nasty bottoms.

^ Go away, frau.

You first R528 dragging your blown out o-ring behind you.

I wish I had his name correctly, but there was a NYC psychologist called William Weedin or Wheedin who wrote an article called "High-Risk Sex As Existential Choice" that said it all back in the early days of HIV.

Sometimes I lose my erection just putting on a condom, not to mention the near total loss of pleasure. And giving or receiving oral sex with a condom is a complete zero.

Me and my bf are in a semi-monogamous relationship, so we hook up outside the relationship. We're both in PrEP. We don't use condoms when we fuck other guys. Part of the fun of hooking up outside of the relationship is the thrill of it all, which would totally be ruined if condoms were part of the equation. But since we're on PrEP, we can fuck all we want and not worry about HIV. If we pick up a minor STD, well, that is what antibiotics are for. We actually made the decision last summer to go on PrEP. We love and care about each other too much to put the other at risk for HIV.

I hate my generation. Millennials have no greater historical context and fail to take the whole picture into account (medication compliance/other STIs, black market knock offs). Either way we'll find a way go pull the. victim card

R521 was he cut or uncut?

R531, "semi-monogamous"--is that like "semi-pregnant" or "semi-unique"? "Semi-expired"? "Semi-alive?" The only thing semi about what you described is all the extra semen the two of you are ingesting outside of your "loving relationship."

Uhhh not all of us R532. I'm of the eldest millennial cohort and I wouldn't trust big pharma with my life. No way.

Very thoughtful, insightful comments, Mary R531.

If I be chatting with some one on gridr that I like and they wanna use a condom, I'm like, girl bye, do'nt waste my fucking time.

Is life a banquet for you R537?

With the slutty millennials, it's more of a buffet. Or an endless fondue of cum.

I was BB bottoming on occasion even before prep. I mean, I tried to be 100% compliant with condoms, but, well, ya know, sometimes you're just horned up, it's 1am and you have to have it, and you or the top don't have a condom on hand. We've all been there...we've all slipped up on occasion. I'd get a tsk tsk from my doctor, telling me to try and be more careful. I'm on prep now and stopped using condoms altogether. I couldn't ever imagine going back to condoms. And because of the zero risk for aids, I am having a lot more sex than I did pre-prep. I feel freer and less inhibited. IMO prep is the best invention since sliced bread.

I can’t tell if people here are genuinely naive/dumb/suicidal or if it’s mostly a lot of facetious joking.

It's a bit strange watching my generation act so sexually reckless, after having spent our youth being hit over the head with messages about safe sex and the importance of condoms. I think there's a bit of a latent nihilistic streak going on there, or in the case of R525, a sort of 'Fuck It, We're All Screwed Anyway' attitude. This isn't all gay millennials, but a heck of a lot.

R542, assuming you're not being reckless like that, why do you think that is?

Equal parts feeling youthfully invincible and subscribing to a YOLO (You Only Live Once) attitude, R543. I think control plays a part in it too. The real estate and economy outlook is bleak, but sex is free and within your control. You can indulge in as much as you want, and might as well have as much as you can while at your physical peak. Not saying I agree with this thinking, but I know others who do.

R451 it has been this way in every large city since the 1970s. PREP and drug resistant strains of HIV, and other STDs are being created and spread now.

Why do you think it is, R544, that you don't have that outlook? (And good for you.)

R542 I am not a millenial, but am at the end of generation x, grew up knowing and learning about HIV/AIDS, and have never had raw/bare sex, and would never take PREP. I have had unprotected oral sex, but a friend of mine in South Africa uses condoms when he sucks off random guys, as the HIV/AIDS rate is extremely high there.

R547,

You never had condomless sex with a long term partner?

R548, nope I have had ex's lie and cheat on me. One ex fucked some poz guy he met on Craigslist raw, so I am hesitant even as a top to go bare/raw even with a partner.

R544, you sound like a very wise individual. I wish you well.

R512 You sound angry!

They like showing their dirty pillows online!

Based on my Grindr experiences, condoms seem like a thing of the past.

This is a genuinely scary trend. Yes there are pills that help prevent HIV, but that's in its CURRENT mutation, so that's a totally safe assumption that the virus wont further mutate. Then there's the fun of oral and anal cancers thanks to HPV, herpes is another fun one to require a lifetime supply of big pharma.

I wonder who will be the Larry Kramer of this generation?

I can corroborate condoms becoming obsolete. I remember gay clubs handing out free packets of lube and condoms like candy not so long ago. Now its like nobody bothers or cares.

I would like to add that it's GOOD to be a little leery of new meds. It always seem that down the line there are some dangerous and unintended consequences.

NewNowNext is trolling DL for stories.

[quote] In the age of PrEP, it’s alarming that young gay and bisexual men ages 25 to 34 had the highest number of new HIV diagnosis in 2016, more than any other age bracket, according to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC).

Truth be told, with PrEp around, this is less disturbing to me than the reports of their younger counterparts not having any sex at all and wanting to ban porn for everyone. That's just not normal.

Was the top at OP revealed?

Oops, I meant bottom!.. Although sure, whose meaty dick does that belong to?

After a lifetime of both topping and bottoming with condoms, I took Weekend PrEP and got fucked by an HIV pos top who is on meds. I know it sounds completely nuts but it was so hot.

I also realize that it was so unlike me to do that, but it was sex like I’ve never had before. I’m so utterly confused about what I experienced—I’ve actually stop having sex because I don’t know what to do next. I love bareback sex but I know, PrEP or not, it will lead to some bad consequences—if not HIV then STIs. Yet, it’s so hard to find tops who still use condoms at all.

I’m leaning towards going on PrEP but I’m paralyzed by all the overthinking I’m doing.

Some of the posts in this thread honestly make me think humanity is quite literally too stupid to survive.

R560 The bottom is Dean and the top is Randy. It's from a from Sean Cody scene.

Thank you, R563. DL always comes through in these matters of importance!

R561 what is weekend prep? Aren't you supposed to take it daily? I hope the guy you had sex with is actually undetectable and does not have other diseases. Please go to a medical professional, tell him or her what you did sexually and get tested. Good luck.

R561 is a troll, dear.

r561, are you mentally deficient? PrEP is not meant to be taken just for weekend whoring. You need to take it every single goddamn day in order to get maximum protection against HIV. I don't understand how people can be so reckless for the sake of 5-10 minutes of pleasure. It boggles the mind. I don't wish disease on anyone, but sometimes people deserve what they get and need to take personal responsibility for their actions. Un-fucking-real!

Possibly Gen Z's conservatism is a backlash against the indulgence and sexual liberalism of the millennials. These things swing back and forth between generations, R558.

Young men these days have more dick and cum than brains.

Young, dumb, and full of cum. Formula for disaster.

You're giving the teens of today far too much credit, R568. More than likely, they just can't be pried off their phones to actually hookup.

Dear Lord in Heaven!

R566, I’m not a troll and yes it did happen. It was a spur of the moment decision.

Weekend PrEP is taking two pills at once and then taking one 24 hours later and about another 24 hours later. No, it’s not as effective as daily PrEP but there is evidence it works. The hiv pos guy I had sex with was undetectable so with that and PrEP, I felt I was covered.

He’s a man that I’ve had the biggest crush on for years. Oddly, I’ve only wanted to have sex with him, not a relationship. I finally got the nerve to approach him and tell him, and that’s what led to the sex.

All of this raw fucking would have been inconceivable when I was their age. Flavored condoms were being pushed as something to use when simply giving head. That's how paranoid people were about HIV.

For those getting their panties all in a bunch about "weekend PrEP," there have been clinical studies of an approach typically called intermittent or on-demand PrEP, primarily one large study called IPERGAY. Here is the researchers' verbatim interpretation of the findings: "On-demand oral PrEP is highly effective at preventing HIV infection among high-risk men who have sex with men and therefore represents an alternative to daily PrEP, expanding choices for HIV prevention."

One advantage of this approach would be further reduction of the already small risk of serious adverse effects.

R574 I also remember flavored condoms, dental dams, etc.

R575 What's the FDA's position on Weekend PrEP? Has this been approved? If we're talking "one large study" - that's not peer reviewed nor is it established pharmacology. It's one study. Promoting something as established fact which has not been peer reviewed or approved is creating high risk.

Weekend PrEP has not been approved by the FDA, which is likely due to the fact that there haven’t been much study about it.

While there may be a study that supports it, if it’s been published, it was likely peer reviewed.

Wake me up when they invent the Morning After Prep

Here’s a link to a description of the IPERGAY and PROUD studies pointing to the effectiveness of intermittent PrEP use. These were presented at the International AIDS conference but don’t seem to have been published in a journal yet

Sure, so there was a follow up from this small study (400 is a good size but still small) after 2 years. It's promising - but still not an FDA approved therapy. Out of the participants, there were 6 who become infected - but all six were on placebo. This is promising. The US version of this, called "on demand PrEP" has the support of the International Antiviral Society-USA.

None of this is a formal, medical recommendation to venture off. We've been here before. There's a lot happening, like the first positive results of a PrEP implant device that maintains consistent drug levels. bNABs are moving along in research that may address multiple strains of HIV. Don't let your guard down. Stay uninfected. .

I am still in awe of the bottom's wrinkle-free nutsack.

Is it safe to bareback with escorts? I'm assuming many are on PrEP, so bottoming raw would not be an issue.

Thanks to R580 for shedding additional light on the so-called intermittent PrEP. More than 20 different analyses of data from the IPERGAY study have been published in premier peer-reviewed journals, including The Lancet, The New England Journal of Medicine, The Journal of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndromes and AIDS, The Journal of Infectious Disease.

As far I can determine, this approach has not been licensed by the FDA. However, many medications for numerous conditions (cancers, arthritis, autoimmune disorders, etc.) are used off-label, that is, in a way for which the medication has not yet been specifically approved. In fact, off-label use sometimes leads to trials that result in expanded indications for a drug. Intermittent PrEP would be one more type of off-label use at this time--but one that is supported by published, peer-reviewed data.

FWIW, I've written about these issues for a living for more than 25 years.

I dunno, this intermittent Prep sounds like Russian Roulette to me.

All this barebacking is going to lead to an explosion of other STDs that could become resistant to antibiotics. How come no one talks about that?

That very issue is one of the types of analyses of the IPERGAY study that I mentioned in R584.

[quote]This thread is just a bunch of pearl-clutching youth-bashing.

You type POZ.

R580 and R575 not everyone wants to be a lab rat for HIV meds.

I know enough people who are living with HIV and on meds to know that they have really bad short and long term side effects. Now if someone's HIV+ or living with AIDS and has to take them that's one thing, but condoms work fine for me, and I am not into bareback sex.

R584 On demand PrEP likely presents moral hazard, legally. Without FDA approval, if someone were to become infected and as a result pass HIV to someone else - they risk prosecution. The studies are exciting because we could expand prevention dramatically. There's ethical questions here, but self experimentation should not be on the table for anyone.

[quote]He knows that if he wanted to have sex with someone, he would tell me , be safe, and then we would get STI checks.

Funny, that's the exact recipe many guys I know personally used within a relationship and seroconverted!

Note that the PrEP queens never use the word "condom".

Unsafe sex with PrEP is not 100 percent safe. These Marys are in big-time denial. PrEP was never intended to be used without condoms, it's only intended to be added protection for accidents.

Avoid anyone who wants to have unsafe sex. PERIOD.

Never trust pharma.

btw, WHET to flavored condoms, R574?

What a difference between now and then!

Flavoured condoms tasted vile , R594.

People have been talking about that here, R586. Some other deadly STI besides hiv is probably festering right now.

Gee, this thread is almost full, might as well continue onto a part 2.

Part 2.

R583 of course not. They are walking Petri dishes of HIV and other STDs.

Most escorts will do anything for money Literally so don't entrust them with your health and safety.