Missing Person Jayme Closs

Did she kill them?

Check with the nearest republicans.

#5i970 in the "Let's pay attention, since she's white."

zzzzz r3

r1 I wonder if there is an older boyfriend whom the parents disapproved of. I just can't see a 13-year-old acting alone in a double murder.

R3 Are you being serious right now?I think you need to apologise.If not for the missing kids then at least for your own karma

That’s what happened in the Jasmine Richardson case r5, so it’s definitly not unheard of. I think this poor girl was abducted though.

FF r6 for being a ninny

She has "kisses doll" face.

She killed them and will pin it on some loser boyfriend.

Fake outrage @ r6 euro troll.

FF

No about putting zzz when the person said about other kids missing.

I wonder if I look at r3’s posting history, will I see 300 threads about dead black & Latina girls?

Hmm, someone killed them to get to her? Remember that guy who killed an entire family to get the little girl? He took her brother too but quickly raped and killed him at the camp site.

R12 Nope .But glad you have lots of time on your hands

R13 Omg I remember that case.He was straight crazy.Killed the entire family to get to the kids. Loved the girl and ended up shooting the boy in the stomach.

Shasta Groene is that girl r13. Poor thing, she hasn’t had it easy since. She’s been arrested a few times for drugs.

Here’s the story from r13

R13 She was living with her dad after her family got murdered.Man that case was on Nancy grace.I remember he kept telling the LL ityle boy to write letters then he would be going home

OP = FRAUSLEUTH

Something is off about her looks, I can’t pinpoint what it is about her that makes me think she killed them and ran off with her lover.

Who would want to kidnap her? She’s a 3, at best. Maybe if she was an 8 or a 10, but girls like her are a dime a dozen

Worried that this is going to be political fodder, depending on the suspect.

Really r22? That's what you're worried about?

wow I had no idea about Shasta Groene's issues as an adult

Jesus r24, what a fucking tragedy. That guy should be shanked in the pen. How sad, there was literally no other way this could have gone unless she lived with a therapist. Just wow.

Usually I find the DJT replies tedious, but r21 made me chuckle.

I am starting to think she was involved.

Trump said Pompeo asked Saudi Arabia if they kidnapped her and they said they didn’t. So there’s that

Hope she’s not involved but she is at that vulnerable age where she can be easily influenced.

It's almost always a family member or someone who knew/knows the victims. Occam's Razor says the daughter did it or her cray cray boyfriend.

They know whose cell phone made the 911 call, but aren't releasing it. My guess is some internet creep "boyfriend".

13 really is young ...

This is near where I grew up. There are a ton of photos of her, interesting that they chose the demonic one.

Dead eyes ... like a doll

.....

There’s no way a 13 year old girl committed a double murder and escaped this long. 13 year olds can’t drive. She would have to walk or take public transportation without an older person being involved to drive.

Either she and an older man committed the crime together or a man did it alone to kidnap her. Listening to her family talk though it sounds like she was involved.

I think she pulled a Gypsy Blanchard number; enlisted some guy to kill her parents and then ran off with him. That picture of her gives me the creeps. She even looks like a psycho.

I'd forgotten about that case, r38. So messed up, on so many levels.

She killed them.

r40 = Nancy Grace

I'm going to bet it's another case of the girl getting an older boyfriend and conspiring to kill her parents so that they can be together.

Of course she was involved. She'll end up trying to play the innocent victim even though she's running around with the internet older boyfriend right now.

She was either involved or an abductor targeted her. That is how the Cheshire Connecticut family was targeted. He saw the younger daughter with the mom in the supermarket and followed them home. He was besotted by the young girl. Scary world we live in.

R16 shasta's mug shot

Poor Shasta.

Got another one to join my team!!!

She has a guilty face. She did it.

I think her parents were very overprotective. Every photo of her she looks shy and crouched down as if she's afraid or extremely shy. My theory is she developed an online relationship with a "boyfriend" who turned out to be a pedophile and in her naivete she gave him her address and he came a huntin'.

I bet R49 is correct, and I think there's also a good chance that she was catfished by some adult creep posing as a 14-year-old boy.

I don't know; something looks off about her.

The story of Shasta Grown is so sad!

We think she is lovely.

Murderess Mary Bell

She looks 35 in OP’s picture.

Nah, I think she's chopped up dead somewhere.

Deer season starts soon, they'll find her if she is r56

R34, or anyone who's familiar with this area, what is it like?

I grew up in Chippewa County. Lots of farms. Lots of rednecks, lots of church goers. It's a boozy culture and it always seemed like time stopped in the 1980s, but the arrival of the internet and meth changed that a bit. Very Republican too.

I bet it's some 40 something fat tub of lard whi probably ingratiated himself into the family just to creep on her. I notice one such guy commented in one if her pictures on her fb page, "She's a,lovely young lady" or something. Barf. What grown man looks at a 13 year old's fb page?

Clicking on his own fb page it's all stuff about her being missing right now. I bet the cops are watching his house.

FF R8 for being a numnuts.

I'll just wait for the Dateline episode. I like these types of stories told to me by Keith Morrison.

Yes, Keith Morrison will help get to the bottom if it.

What about me, fuckers?

[quote] I grew up in Chippewa County. Lots of farms. Lots of rednecks, lots of church goers. It's a boozy culture and it always seemed like time stopped in the 1980s, but the arrival of the internet and meth changed that a bit. Very Republican too.

I grew up in neighboring Eau Claire County. Your assessment sounds accurate to me. My guess on this story is a pedo murdered/abductor did it, maybe somebody the girl knew vaguely whom she'd been friendly/polite to and he cooked up a whole story in his mind of how he was destined to be her boyfriend if he could just get the pesky parents out of the way.

From CNN:

[quote]A sheriff's department dispatch log reveals new information about the night that missing Wisconsin teenager Jayme Closs' parents were found dead -- including that a 911 call appeared to have come from her mother's cell phone, and that the door to the family's home had been kicked in.

Meth is a pretty big issue there

I wonder what the authorities know that they're not telling.

It’s sounding more and more like an ambush abduction. From what the police have said, someone was trying to enter through the front door of the Closs house. The father was shot in the face either while answering the door or trying to keep it closed as the door was at some point kicked in. The mom was elsewhere in the house, maybe trying to hide, and at some point was also shot. Neighbors heard gunshots at 1230am. At around 1250 is when the 911 call happened— no one spoke, but the operator said they could hear noise on the other end, possibly yelling. There’s an unconfirmed rumor that the mom was heard saying “Please don’t hurt my daughter.”

I hope they know more than the nothing I fear...

I also hope that the kid had nothing to do with it. Some of the photos are a bit eerie but it is an awkward age. Do not really expect her to be found alive, sadly.

Rosemary's Grandbaby

Didn't they say that about Mollie Tibbetts r72?

IMO they have no idea if she's alive, but they know people will stop looking if they're given enough reason to believe she's probably dead.

poor Shasta Groene, i want to adopt her and tell her everything will be ok.

Well, she used tampons, r73

Seems to be what LE says. Likely not at all true but that would not keep people engaged.

According to the police log, the father opened the door to police but died shortly after. She was already gone.

This story is so odd.

Jayme tops the FBI list of missing persons. Hard to imagine she will be found alive.

Where are you seeing that r79? Hard to do since he was shot in the head.

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Does anyone think she acted alone?

This story is so strange.

I think DM misinterpreted the logs. Here’s the transcript:

[quote]115 – 10/15/2018 01:05:19] 317 REQUESTED ERT BE PAGED OUT. ADVISED THE DOOR HAS BEEN KICKED IN. ADVISED THAT THE MALE WHO IS DOWN HAD ANSWERED THE DOOR. UNKNOWN IF ANYONE IS MISSING.

Since it says the dad was down, it sounds like he was down after approaching the door when the perp was trying to get in, not when the cops arrived — “had” answered the door. Typical Fail.

R60 is probably correct. Some over 40 obsessed loser (repetative, I know) who saw her as his soulmate or 'belonging' to him.

He'll end up being more genetic trash that should have been aborted.

How would they know he had answered the door if he was dead? Agree that DM got it wrong but the writing of the cops is less than clear and somewhat speculative, too.

Wonder if we will ever know the whole story?

Remember, the transcript is of a call or event happening in real time. Sometimes the info being relayed is just a cursory assessment of the scene at that moment.

Good point, R86.

Beginning with R79 I keep reading it as "police dogs". It puts a crazy spin on it.

Lol, R88, are you high?

The whole thing is beyond crazy, no matter how one reads it. So chilling.

sometimes I hope the abducted child is dead. is it worth being alive to have to live like Shasta, never forgetting what happened? If it was my kid I would want them to be dead rather than having to suffer

Yeah, we all know what you think, Patsy.

A 13-year-old girl almost certainly has a cell phone...either the police have it, which should be revealing if she had some sort of relationship with the person who did it, or she took it with her, which suggests she went willingly with a co-conspirator (or there's something on the phone he doesn't want the police to see, although I think they can get a record of calls and messages from the provider anyway). Surely the police have searched through her phone and any computers to see who she was communicating with and what about? I sort of feel like they must know some things they're holding back, yet now they're requesting 2000 volunteers to search the local area AND there are missing signs all over far flung states, which makes me think they really have no clue where she is. I guess it's theoretically possible that some creep really wanted to kidnap her and decided to do it the hard way instead of luring her when she was alone, but the whole thing is strange and confusing. The police insist she's a victim and not a suspect; on the one hand they might be lying so that she's more likely to return, but on the other hand, wouldn't they want to warn the public if she could be dangerous?

It was the German immigrant

"Blind Item Revealed" from Entertainment Lawyer:

ENTERTAINMENT LAWYER 10/21 These now dead parents sold off their daughter to pay huge debts they owed. The problem is they had offered to sell her to someone else first and accepted the money. (Missing Wisconsin teenager Jayme Closs).

Unlikely but who knows, R96? Whole thing is super odd.

Any guesses as to the source of the debt?

Considering where this is, I'd say drug debt, r97

Gross. There aren't even any farfetched rumors to that effect.

a new low for Enty? geez

She looks like a young Amanda Knox

Enty truly is garbage.

r102 I knew she reminded me of someone

I can't stop thinking she was involved in some way

She just looks like a typical 13 year old. It's a very awkward age for most kids.

She reminds me of Valessa Robinson, a Florida girl who murdered her mother at 15.

Any new info? Hey Eau Claire, were you the one who mentioned (here, years ago) the surgeon who died of auto erotic asphyxiation? Or are there more of us? I loved growing up in the area.

Her mom named her Valessa, for fuck's sake, she had to know that would go south r108.

Still no word, I'd help her search but you know...

She's not a victim.

She's an accessory.

How do you know, R112?

I hate when people say things definitively like that on here, when it’s pure speculation (and likely bullshit).

As for Valessa Robinson, she's now a mom. Watch out for those teen years Val, they're a doozy!

Ugh, Valessa is as ugly as her name and that hubby is no prize either.

She looks like someone a pedo would target.

I know what happened, she wanted to go to the big city, say, Minneapolis but her mother wouldn't let her go, so her other friends, a rich girl, a fat Jewish girl and a lesbian went without her. So she sneaks off but it's cold, so she goes into a Minneapolis cafe where another 13 tries to lure her into prostitution, because her pimps forcing her too.

But then by coincidence, the three friends show up at the same cafe and take her home. The pimp is now pissed because he didn't get no fresh thing, so he follows her home and kills the parents and kidnaps her.

Those are some dead Jared Kushner eyes on Valessa.

That Valessa looks 58 instead of 32. How is she out of jail? The third person in the crime got more time than she did, but she seemed to be more directly involved in killing her mother. Much like Karla Homolka the women seem to get away with murder, literally. It's usually their idea too! Similarly, I can't believe both found big enough morons to marry and father children with them.

I dislike Karla Homolka as much as the next person, r119, but Paul Bernardo was a serial rapist long before he met Karla. She got off too easy, sure -- but he's exactly where he belongs

R12- Oh, no doubt he is where he belongs, but she should be there too. Yes, he was a rapist, but his crimes escalated because of her. Drugging and raping her sister was Karla's idea, a "present" for Bernardo. She was as twisted as he was. Same with this girl, she should have gotten the same sentence as her boyfriend.

Karla got off on a technicality that NEVER should have happened. Blame the incompetence of the police and prosecutors for that one.

Canada has a rather shit record when it comes to incarceration. Vince Li, the man who decaptitaed and cannibalized Tim McLean on a Greyhound bus, has since been released after only nine years in a psych ward- and for most of that time he was allowed daily supervised and unsupervised release. He’s now been allowed to change his name and isn’t required to continue mental health treatment or take meds for his schizophrenia. His crime might as well not have happened. Same for Homolka if the public hasn’t been able to diss out her new identity.

I wonder if Luka Magnotta will ever get out, r122

[quote]She looks like someone a pedo would target.

A hebephile, not a pedophile.

Yes, please pay attention to your wording. It is a tragedy when careless internet posters besmirch the reputation of people who have sex with thirteen year olds, e.g. hebephiles. We are NOT pedos!

Are you fucking smoking crack r121? I don't care what Karla the Kunt said, no one would be able to talk me into murdering someone. Also, it was a matter of time, look at EAR/ONS they start killing soon to leave no witnesses, Kunt's sister may have lived but Paul would have killed eventually. Nice woman blaming, though.

R126- you are an idiot. You do realize Karla worked for a veterinarian and stole a sedative to knock her sister out, so she basically murdered her own sister so that she and her boyfriend could rape her. She also actively covered up the death as well. That was all her plotting on her own. Whether Paul would have murdered or not is all speculation and irrelevant, they both were equally complicit in all crimes and should have both been sentenced the same way. They didn't realize the extent of their involvement until after she cut a deal. You should really read up on the story before you spew nonsense. The experts even said without Karla, Paul would have likely not escalated his crimes. Btw, I am a woman, nice try though. I don't defend child murderers or any murderer because they happen to be female. Evil is evil.

I am also from northwest Wisconsin and over the last year there were a number of police arrests of older guys trying to pick up young teenage girls. It was so common, like two a month. Some of the older guys were really nasty looking . Some were from Barron County where this happened. The guys made their contacts on the internet with the girls. The police set up stings and caught many of them but there must be many more out there. The number of sex offenders (listed) in the area is astounding. Some young girls feel they need a boyfriend because they see other girls with bf's in high school so they go online to find male attention. Then they hook up with the wrong guy and bang, it's all over. The innocent and naive.

I’m not r126, but to your post r127– Paul and Karla were married, not boyfriend/girlfriend.

[quote]The experts even said without Karla, Paul would have likely not escalated his crimes.

Paul is a suspect in at least one murder , Elizabeth Bain, that occurred prior to even meeting Karla. Paul was a violent serial rapist. He, like 99% of other violent serial rapists, would’ve escalated. With or without Karla.

R129- At the time of the sister's death they were engaged, they married a few weeks later. My original point remains, they are BOTH murderers and she should have never seen the outside of a jail cell.

Homosexual should be behind bars forever. Piece of shit.

I hate to say it, but I don’t think Jayme Closs is neurotypical. She looks like she’s on the spectrum. Something just isn’t right; she’s “quirky”. Not stupid.

I’d have to guess that she’s been sheltered and finally got some older dude interested in her. The neighbors said they never saw the Closs family outdoors, ever. It made me wonder what that poor kid’s life was like. Makes me think of the Blanchardes.

^^ Homolka! Not “homosexual”! MARY!

Forgive me, DL.

For some reason the pictures of Jayme remind me of Eddie Vedder in the video for “Jeremy”.

Finally got some older dude interested - she was/is only 13, R131!

Sorry to post a Fox link but this was the most recent info. Reward is up to $50k.

Was the family Mormon or another non-mainstream religion?

This isn't looking good

Yeah this seems really Mollie Tibbetts-y.

R138, when you write "This isn't looking good," do you mean the situation or that picture. I guess the appropriate answer could still be "both."

Supposedly unconnected creeper being a creepy creeper:

Man, that’s fucking creepy, R141! WTF is wrong with that area? Is it just filled with meth addicted psycho pedo hillbillies?

It’s like a “Twilight Zone” version of “Deliverance”! This whole story has just gotten creepier and creepier; I seriously hope I don’t have nightmares now....

The hair at R141 tells you all you need to know.

Jesus, r141. That’s frightening.

R137, I wonder that, too. Judging from photos, the mom wore a lot of makeup and Jayme wore things like shorts and spaghetti straps and sequins; not “modest” the way many religious women appear.

There’s something “off” about that family. The neighbor who heard the gunshots said they never saw the family outside and just saw Jayme walking to the house from the school bus.

At any rate, something terrible happened and I hope that kid is okay.

She's not okay. She's either dead or in some kind of living hell.

That guy has spree killer hair. I bet the cops are following him, no way are they clearing at this point. He's guilty of something.

If he was stealing her her clothes doesn’t they mean she is alive ?

He looks like fucking Randy Quaid in Kingpin which is a good way to signal to society that you have your shit together.

R147, he was stealing them because he’s a sexual deviant. Not to give them to her.

He also has a GoFundMe for a million dollars for a sex change. Check out his FaceBook page if it’s still up. The man is a fucking lunatic.

Cue the trans trolls in 3, 2, 1 ...

R141 pic isn't doing much to change my feelings that time stopped 30 years ago in NW Wisconsin.

R150, this guy ain’t right. I’m not saying he’s the killer, but stealing the underwear of a missing 13-year old... and this...

[quote][R138], when you write "This isn't looking good," do you mean the situation or that picture. I guess the appropriate answer could still be "both."

So not appropriate! Not the time or the place! Have you no sense of decency?

Hey , Kyle's got $10 bucks already!

[quote]$10 of $1.0M goal

I refuse to believe that's his real name. Kyle Jaenke-Annis. JANKY ANUS.

Who the fuck would donate $10 to him TODAY, r152??

Some basement dwelling DLer donated $10 😂

Some joker. Not me.

Your comment made me LOL.

I love webslueths and how the fraus are going on about how breathtaking Jayme is and how she was sold into sexual slavery because of her stunning beauty...

She's dead or was in on it someway. The killer took her to use as a hostage, then after he got away killed her and probably dumped the body way North. OR

Jayme was in love with the guy and he came to get her, with her knowledge, and the father discovered it and they argued and it got out of hand and the guy shot the mother and father, which Jayme wasn't in on. Now Jayme went with him (willingly) or was again, taken as a hostage

[quote] Homosexual should be behind bars forever. Piece of shit ... Homolka! Not “homosexual”! MARY! Forgive me, DL.

I think your iPhone autocorrect algorithm is homophobic, R131... Made me crack up.

This story has fallen off the face of the earth.

She killed her parents for giving her such a stupid name.

Too bad they didn't name her Sandy.

What happened to the mystery of those two girls on a bridge in Indiana? Did they ever find that killer?

r163 At least it's phonetically correct, getting really tired of girls being named "Jaime" (Hy-Mee) because there parents are fucking morons, I don't know now when I see that name if its a Latino dude or a chick with dumb parents.

Jesus, I meant "their" not there parents at r166.

I hate "Jaime" being pronounced like "Jamie, too, r166. I don't do it. In similar fashion, however, "Jayme" instead of "Jamie" has no reason to exist.

R19 Can't refer to OP as a female sleuth, must do the bitchy stereotypical gay male thing and use Frau in every title. Can't stand your type. It's like you always need to be insulting. Is that part of your "bitchy and fabulous" personality hun?

"For some reason the pictures of Jayme remind me of Eddie Vedder in the video for “Jeremy”.

Eddie Vedder looked demonic in that video. So does this "missing" girl. That leering smile on her face gives me the creeps.

R170, I would bet money that she is not neurotypical.

R164, you made me snicker nastily. Fucker.

R162, not everyone has forgotten.

What do you think she is then, R171? Not disagreeing, asking for more details on your theory.

Whole family and situation have such a strange vibe.

R171, I figure she'll come back on Christmas Eve just like she would have as Sandy Closs..

R172, she just has a weird “affect” in the photos. I don’t know anything for sure, I’ve never seen her in anything but still photos. I’d guess that she was a little bit autistic, or at least an oddball kid (I’ve got an oddball kid, I recognize it). She just doesn’t look like a normal 13-year old girl.

And not to be a shit, but her mother looks like a horrorshow. I feel like there was a lot going on there.

Fruitless helicopter search was done today.

They either are being very close-lipped or they really have nothing to go on.

They have nothing to go on .

So are they searching for her 'body' - they think she is already dead ?

[quote]What happened to the mystery of those two girls on a bridge in Indiana? Did they ever find that killer?

Nope. Still an open case.

What’s the Indiana bridge story? Sounds fun.

Some days I really wish Robert Stack were still alive.

The Indiana Bridge = Delphi Murders. The thing is one of the murdered teenagers managed to record the killer (or at least whom they are pretty sure is the killer) with her cell phone. The police has audio and video of him, but it still hasn't helped at all.

Closs was assumed to be taken alive, because there is no evidence she was killed at the home, and if they killed the mother and father, why not take the kid. And if you killed the girl, why drag her away?

She is almost certainly dead by now, unless she somehow had a hand in the murder, which isn't likely but not impossible either.

[quote]I’d guess that she was a little bit autistic, or at least an oddball kid (I’ve got an oddball kid, I recognize it). She just doesn’t look like a normal 13-year old girl.

She is by all accounts 'normal,' in terms of grades and social skills. She ran cross country and is involved in dance classes. The only thing that is "off" about her is her mother was described as being overprotective.

For instance, she had a caregiver (babysitter) and she is 13 years old. Which is starting to get a bit old for one, but not unheard of. In fact the parents recently changed Jayme's school, when her caregiver moved so Jayme would be closer to her.

Both parents worked at the Jenny-O plant not far from where they lived.

Thank you, R181.

Hmm r182, perhaps the folks at Tyson had a hand in this? Or some angry turkeys?

Ooh. Processing dead fowl could be a pretty debilitating.

The trend of using a photograph to diagnose strangers with developmental disorders needs to die in a grease fire.

Thank you r186, jesus, I can't read any threads anymore without some fucking armchair psych chiming in about how the person is clearly bi-polar, etc.

If she had a hand in her parents' murders, I would think she would have been found by now.

R49, I agree.

This poor kid. Imagine the hell she is currently going through, if she is not already dead.

If that freak at r189 had a normal haircut and lost the mustache, DL's collective ankles would be in the air.

Lol r191

Here are some interview snips with Chris Fitzgerald's responses :

Is there DNA found at the scene?

S) No Comment

Can you comment on evidence collected?

S)No Comment

Was there a sex assault during this invasion?

S)No comment

Rumors of Jayme having 19 year old boyfriend true?

S)Can't comment on that

What is the damage to the chair?

S)No comment on the evidence

Will you release toxicology results from autopsies?

S)We will when the case is ready to be released, we won't release evidence on the bodies, or the shootings or where they were shot. Toxicology takes longer to get back in yet, takes longer to get in and haven't been briefed on that.

Has the whole family including extended family been cleared?

S)Family has been interviewed and cooperating

How long parents deceased?

S)Commotion on phone, 4 minutes later deputies on scene, they were deceased

Why aren't they releasing 911 call?

Good question, that's part of the active investigation I don't think it would help, I think it would put more questions in people's mind .it is poor quality, not from the technical side but poor quality because wherever the phone was in the house was a distance away from , like me doing this interview from in the hallway, you could hear me but you couldn't really hear me.so that's what I mean. Autopsy and 911 calls won't be released until crime is solved

Thanks r194

Is Keith Morrison on the scene yet?

Bad week for that area of the state.

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Is there more known about the 19 year old supposed boyfriend?

Someone close to this caretaker perhaps?

The caretaker is the aunt. There was another 13 year old kidnapped in North Carolina, but she is all ghetto an in the high crime part of the state. Hania Noelia Aguilar

I wonder how long this will take to solve.

Initially, I thought she was involved. I suppose she could be, and she and her accomplice are living somewhere off the grid.

She's dead by now and the killer was likely random, so it won't be solved unless it's by some fluke. There are thousands of unsolved murders, some worse than this.

It just seems so strange, r203. Why not just abduct the girl, and not risk leaving DNA at the crime scene? Why kill the parents?

It seems like the killer had a personal connection to the family, and did not choose them randomly.

I'm sure investigators know a lot they're not releasing to the public.

That bitch look craycray

She's 13, r206

Off topic, but does anyone else see the "h" occasionally moving in the words "huge" and "The" at R96? Or am I having some sort of episode?

You're having a stroke, r208!

Still nothing.

Wonder what the police know. If they're asking hunters for help, I assume they don't think she's alive.

Still missing? I bet the killer worked with the parents at Jennie-O and they put Jayme in the meat grinder with the turkeys and that is what caused the salmonella recall.

This murder might be hard to solve if it was a case of mistaken identity. The famous murders of In Cold Blood, where a family of parents and children was murdered, was also due to mistaken identity. For instance, if a hit was ordered due to drug activity and the killer got the wrong house, the killer might have had to finish what he started. While he was killing the parents, Jayme ran out the door and he ran after her to kill her, so she was killed away from the house and her body hid in the woods hasn't yet been found. I'm just speculating that there are also more than a few scenarios that don't involve kidnapping or Jayme being involved.

That doesn't really make sense, r213. If she were killed near the house, and her body left in the woods, surely they'd have found her by now? I am sure they used cadaver dogs.

Dogs are not all that accurate, in blind tests they run less 50%. This accounts for the reason why people are often found where dogs have gone over it. Of course the owners will swear the body was put there after, but it wasn't

I hope she is found. Who murdered her parents?

R215, ugh thank you. People put way too much stock in k-9 detection. They get irrational about it. Like a polygraph, they’re an investigative tool, but they’re not infallible or terribly accurate. They can be fooled and they can’t articulate.

But they can sniff and shit and bark and lick their balls.

Can you say the same?

In Cold Blood killing was not mistaken identity. Killers were told Clutter kept a lot of in the house. Wrong info not wrong family.

Money^^

It turned out to be the butler

R219 did Truman Capote really fall into obsession he thought was love with one of the killers?

So who killed her parents?

It's amazing how little information there is out there. I'm the poster who grew up near there and everyone knows everything about everybody. I can't believe that aspect has changed that much over the years.

Almost 2 months now and she is STILL missing. Anyone have ties to this area who still keeps in contact with the locals? Would love to know what the rumors are.

I would as well R225

It's obvious Jayme is involved in this. If you go to a site and suggest it, you get banned. Law enforcement knows she is but won't admit it.

How many sites banned you r227? I'd love details.

I know, I know we shouldn't judge a book by its cover but I can't help it, she looks fucking DEMON POSSESSED!

I bet it was one of those Gypsy Rose Blanchard deals and then the guy killed her anyway.

Pronunciation:

juh-WHYM?

juh-WHY-me?

If you follow the local facebook feeds of the media outlets up there, the comments are oddly cold and cynical. Yes, there are a few "OMG praying and sharing this all over the country, but most have a black humor edge, which isn't typical at all. Like when that drunk driver mowed down the girl scouts a few weeks later in a nearby town, every comment was reverent and heartbroken.

Jayme's parents dropped her off in the early am at her aunt's house. She then walked the short distance to her aunt's after school. At one point the aunt moved and Jayme had to change schools. Believe the aunt then moved back.

San Diego multi-state truck driver tried to help the search.

Jayme definitely had something to do with this. I wonder what evidence the sheriff has that says she was definitely at home when the parents were shot? The sheriff says the parents died instantly but in a lot of cases when law enforcement says they died instantly it didn't happen that way and they lived for a bit.

I wonder if Jayme was a lesbian? She looks young but that is the age it starts. I wonder if an older lumberjack lesbian took off with her.

All the speculation about the insanity and collusion of a thirteen-year-old kid is sad.

I think about all the dozens of boys, many gay or confused, who ended up in John Wayne Gacy’s crawlspace and wonder if we’d be as suspicious about their disappearances if that were happening today.

[quote] but in a lot of cases when law enforcement says they died instantly it didn't happen that way and they lived for a bit.

R235, how do you know this and why would law enforcement lie?

They found her alive.

Link

so glad she has been found

Miracle. Suspect in custody. More details 10 am Friday.

Jayme Closs reunited with her relatives Thurs night.

Douglas County MN is about 3 hours West of Baron.

Suspect is being held on $100,000 bail! Charges list kidnapping, breaking and entering, weapons charges, and being party to a crime....

wow. Glad they found her.

From Websleuths,

Someone was booked today at 4PM for 2nd degree murder... he's 18 "DB"

Another booked at 4PM, being held for another agency, 20 years old, 2nd degree murder "AH" Jail Roster info.

Anchor stated that a woman was walking her dog. Jamie Closs ran up to her saying help me, a man had murdered her parents. Then they played a video from the news anchor who had. talked to her grandfather. He said her aunt was on the way to the hospital.

Live link source KSTP-TV

Poor girl. What a terrible experience. I hope she'll be okay.

wow you guys are good with all the details

Astonishing that she's alive!

Last week a guy on one of the tv station's fb pages said she was in on it and still alive nearby. Looks like he was right. I do hope she didn't have anything to do with it but...

Time will tell

Holy shit.

"Astonishing that she's alive!"

Not if the guy is her "boyfriend" and they decided to off the parents so they could run away together. And that may well be the case.

R249, More details from Websleuths.

Linked is Google Maps, the specific area where she approached a woman walking her dog and asked for help. Remember Jayme's dog is being looked after by her relatives.

FB posters 10 weeks ago reported KJ-A was likely involved. He's one of the suspects booked today for 2nd degree murder.

Wish DL had an erase/edit function. The 2 suspects I said were booked earlier may not be the perps.

LE made arrests at 5:00 pm. Question of booking time of the other two young adults. We think they were booked in WI after being questioned and interviewed.

Jayme was sent to the hospital where she was met by her aunt. Grandfather took the initial call from LE. Both were surprised and thrilled that she was found alive and relatively healthy.

The murder happened in October and it's now January. If it's like a similar incident where a girl is being held captive in a basement and manages to break out and run for help, then I could believe that she's the victim and not part of the crime. But if that's not the case, then I think that ups the odds of her being involved.

I seriously doubt the kidnapping and multiple murder suspect is being offered bail, R244

R258, Suspect(s) were booked in WI later early Thurs evening. Please read my previous post where I said that again I really wished DL had an erase/edit function to correct incorrect info.

So who wants to bet that she wasn’t involved in the murder?

Who wants to bet that she was?

All of you who end up having been wrong are going to be named and shamed.

Her cousin

Of course she was in on it but as she's a child, her family will have to "forgive" her for her involvement

She was found malnourished, dirty with matted hair, and wearing shoes too big. Apparently she had been living in an abandoned cabin in a wooded area when she was finally able to escape and seek help.

I don't think she was involved. I'll be surprised if it's someone under 40.

Jamie Closs didn't know where she was when she approached the woman walking her dog, screaming for help. She did know who had her and gave a description of his car.

Jayme was found malnourished. Late Thursday, investigators blocked all streets leading to a cabin in the 14100 block of S. Eau Claire Acres Circle as they combed for evidence. The residence is believed to be that of the 21-year-old suspect, who is reportedly being held in the Douglas County jail.

More details and an update.

Wow -- didn't think she'd turn up alive.

If you're interested in gossip read this thread, they are going nuts there.

R269, You're correct, although thanks for the link. They're speculating on internet rumors re the perps name, "Peterson" or "Patterson." Sounds like he found an older cabin not in use during the winter. Obviously they didn't have a good source of running water as Jayme was dirty and her hair matted. Plus she was very thin, malnourished.

I thought the outcome wouldn't be good here, but it's wonderful that she was found. I can't (or can, but unfathomable) imagine what this poor girl endured. Thank goodness she's alive.

Parents murdered, girl disappears without her beloved dog. Internet concludes the 13 year old colluded in her parents’ death. Why? “It would make sense.”

The world truly is coming to an end.

Christ those bitches are rabid on that thread R269, they're determined that she was in on it no matter what. This is why I'd never want a trial by jury.

Have they named the suspect yet?

Press conference at 10am Central Time

Thanks r275

She was involved.

r277 = Miss Cleo

I miss the days of Usenet. You would have leaks left and right and names, and no one could censor it because, well Usenet is like that. Too bad it dried up and now is only for illegal downloading and spam

I really don't think she was involved.

I wonder if this is a Gypsy Blanchard-type story?

Another job for Scooby Nickole.

Anybody got a link to the press conference?

It's on CNN now. The sheriff is already calling it a team effort. She basically saved herself.

Sheriff Thomas Dalbec looks like a Boston terrier.

Jake Thomas Patterson... 21 years old.. the kidnapper.

*Jacob* .. not Jake..

21 years old? I am starting to think there's more to the story ...

I might be jumping the gun, watching press conference on CNN... tried to google him.

Didn’t this guy play Mr. Fantastic in the Fantastic Four? He got fat.

I think her name is tremendous.

Not Jacob. Jake... lol.

Do those who blamed the victim for her own demise feel good right about now?

Sheriff said the kidnapper took proactive steps to conceal his identity before the kidnapping. They said their was no prior contact between the suspect and the family at large (note how that might exclude Jayme)

Sorry R293, we hate ourselves now. You were right as usual.

This 21 year old outsmarted everyone and would not have been caught if the girl didn't save herself by escaping.

Sadly some will never let that go R293, regardless of the evidence.

[quote]They said their was no prior contact between the suspect and the family at large (note how that might exclude Jayme)

You are then suggesting, then, that Jayme was not part of her own family? What else are you trying to tell us without a scintilla of evidence? If you're going to try to be Jessica Fletcher, you need more chops.

My guess is its similar to the CT case, where a random creeper latched onto a young girl and targeted the family to get to her.

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He's not hot. DL will lose interest.

So creepy looking R300, that poor kid.

r298

No, the phrase "at large" modifies the meaning of family. Learn English

He looks like an incel..

The Sheriff says she was able to immediately ID him by name, so if she had no prior contact to him, he must've told her his full name.

Odd how this guy could be smart and stupid all at the same time.

He looks at least 40.

I'm guessing he more than just looks like one R305.

Even the cop is like "Ew" when holding up his photo

He's a mommies basement type... creepy.

He is ugly. No way was he a secret boyfriend, unless it was all online/phone and he catfished her.

That nerd committed double murder? Yeah, possible catfish, grooming situation if she was talking to him online which is very possible.

He was unemployed, so you wonder who is supporting him? The strange thing is the way Jayme's family and law enforcement seemed to know she was still alive. If you look to their TV appearances, they are directed at Jayme to return home.

They probably assumed he'd taken her for sexual purposes R313, so that he'd likely keep her alive for at least some period of time but would plan on killing her at some point. It is shocking that he kept her so long, which luckily was his downfall.

[quote] He was unemployed, so you wonder who is supporting him?

He's only 21. His parents, most likely.

A remarkable story. I'm hearing the Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt song in my head ("Unbreakable! she's alive, damnit! It's a miracle Females are strong as hell").

I don't know how the fuck you recover from seeing your parents murdered, being abducted and (doubless) raped repeatedly for three months in a filthy cabin at age 13 by the world's creepiest 21 year old psycho. Thank god she broke out of there and saved herself. I hope she's provided with unlimited free therapy from top notch therapists for as long as she needs it.

She wasn't that attractive. Of course, he's butt ugly.

I'm reading from multiple news sources that she was his "intended target".

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r316

This happens all the time in wars, and people do get over it.

And we don't know all that happened. Maybe she was in on it and they agreed he'd take the blame and she staged the rescue. Does seem pretty far fetched if he was clever enough to fool the cops, she could fool him.

I'm faintly disappointed his last name wasn't Peterson or Petersen as was thought for a moment upthread, since those seem to be reserved for the shitbags of this world.

He's 21? That's the oldest looking 21 year old I've ever seen. Mind you, she's the oldest looking 13 year old I've ever seen.

Does anyone know if it's 1986 in Wisconsin? Time warp or something?

Lol r322 -- yeah, that photo looks ... dated.

When I first saw it I thought it was an old middle school pic of the mom, R323.

He looks like a random guy at a Trump rally.

R281, I think it was something like that. Not that she plotted to have her parents KILLED, but she got in deeper than she intended and couldn’t find her way out of it. She’s a victim, 100%.

There are cases like this that make me wonder. Sometimes girls are so sheltered and live circumscribed lives that something dark and dangerous is preferable. So it seems exciting to go along with the bad boy, and then it gets REALLY dark and that’s where they are victims.

It’s a theme in books and movies.

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I agree with your assessment r326. I do hope this girl gets a ton of help. I know it isn't totally comparable to what happened to Shasta, but god forbid she goes down Shasta's path.

IKR, r272

I thought so too r305

It's pretty clear she wasn't involved in the murders. How would her parents death be to her advantage? If she'd wanted to be with this man they'd have just run off together - how romantic to a 13 year old girl.

I suspect he killed the parents because they were an obstacle. Jayme said she couldn't be with him because of them either because she was using them as an excuse - she realised that the cute guy she was talking with over the Internet was, in reality, butt ugly/creepy or she was a good girl who didn't want to disappoint them

Today it is reported that she showed up aat a neighbors house, safe and sound!

r331, are you posting from a time machine?

Wow, thanks for that update R331!

Bless you, R331.

I heard this no morning on the radio that the kidnapper has done a handyman job at the parents’ house. If that’s true, it is very like the Elizabeth Smart case

Look at the lack of chin, he's guilty all right

Jesus, he really is an incel poster boy. So. Fucking. Gross.

He looks like a rodent, more specifically, a blind mole.

Most importantly, how should L&O: SVU adapt the story?

I'm so relieved R331...

R337 Exactly. I would not be surprised if he is a Jordan Peterson fanboy, or such.

Will Elizabeth Smart take her up now as a fellow victim and teach her the harp?

R342?

I don’t like you.

Poor girl. Not just the violent loss of her parents, which is horrifying enough, but having to be forced to do intimate things with that fug creeper for three months.

Definitely an incel. They're all total scumbags who should have been aborted.

R342 Yeah that was Elizabeth's shitfuckcunt parents who did that public harp recital display bullshit to her. She had barely been back from her ordeal and they had her out in front of the cameras in a national broadcast all prettied up to show how she was still so virginal and sweet, complete with harp. The poor thing looked like a zombie, and all the makeup in the world couldn't hide the circles. I remember that so well and just being appalled. Yeah, MARY! Whatever.

[quote] [R342]? I don’t like you.

That brings back memories. I remember an old DL thread titled "We Were Right About The Elizabeth Smart Case"

It seemed to go on forever.

Must find that thread r347! I'll try to dig. Hopefully it survived.

damn that guy is creepy as fuck--poor Jayme, i'm so glad she survived

Good luck r348. I'm almost 100% sure of the title.

I bet her PUSSY is all "used up and stretched out,sore " and full of white mans dirty babies.

Getting a Sarah Huckabeast vibe.

That's unfortunate, r352.

So did Jayme meet this guy online?

If she had, r354, I doubt investigators would be releasing that information so soon.

Turns out the perp's brother is a sex offender. And their dad can't stand either of his sons and has nothing to do with them.

Well he doesn't look malnourished so I guess he wasn't sharing the food, creepy incel scum.

Elizabeth Smart said in her book she didn't get any therapy ....I hope this family has different views on therapy than the Smarts.

Holy shit, really r357? No therapy? I hope she's had some since the book. She still looks not-all-there. Her parents should be in prison with the guy who kidnapped her.

R356, Do you have a link for your quoted statement?

The company Jayme's parents worked at for 27 years issued a statement Friday saying Patterson was hired one day but quit the next Barron County Sheriff Chris Fitzgerald say unemployed Patterson 'planned his actions and took many steps to hide his identity'

R357, R358, LDS followers strongly believe in "the power of prayer." Likely she would have talked extensively to Elders at her church, and tried to forgive the perp per their instructions. Also to trust in the Lord re her future life.

Personally I believe speaking out publicly as she's been on the lecture circuit, to try and help other victims of various extreme tragedies, may be a major part of her ongoing healing process. She's active in missing and exploited children groups and tries to assist their grieving families. In a sense she's attempting to give reason and meaning to suppressed emotional and physical pain and anxiety.

People with low iqs or on the spectrum need to stop having kids.

R360 That is true, they do. But there are licensed therapists who themselves are practicing Mormons. It isn't verboten by the Church to see a therapist. However, of course, the Smart family are better than the average Mormon *sarcasm*. It is heartening to see her work with others. She doesn't seem nearly as craven as her parents, though I do wonder if she is still under their thrall to a large extent.

R359, it's blowing up on Reddit. One poster found the perp's brother's criminal record. Another poster has a friend who knows the perp's dad. And then there was a Reddit thread a few weeks ago (now removed) that had a poster calling himself "barronbowhunter" who was giving very detailed theories about the kidnapping, as well as talking about how young girls are the best to have sex with, and they're like expired milk once they turn 18. That creeped out enough people that they took screenshots and sent them to the cops, and the mods deleted that thread.

^ Straight men are such sick fucks.

R363, Thank you. Please provide any other details you can gather from Reddit.

R362 She's married with 3 children .

R364, Wonder what happened in the perp's and his brother's life to make them such evil child predators. Incels on steroids? Exposure to the porn culture which in their minds convinces them that like Hollywood stars they too should have a harem of Playboy bunny types at their disposal?

Jeff Bezos should be thankful Jayme Closs' lucky escape is wiping his sex life expose off the internet. Incels are LOL that the wealthiest man in the world would choose such an overly plasticized-looking robot/doll. "A man with more money than sense."

Sad that NO ONE is shocked its yet another loser who thinks he's owed something, so he has to take/kill/destroy someone else.

Fucking disgusting. Incels and those like them need to Heavens Gate themselves.

R331, she escaped and came across a woman walking her dog. She asked the woman for help, and the woman recognized her as the missing girl. They went to a neighbor's house to call 911.

So bucolic to think of walking the dog without a cell phone with you.

R370, sometimes I take the cellphone with me, sometimes I don’t.

[quote] Jeff Bezos should be thankful Jayme Closs’ lucky escape is wiping his sex life expose off the internet

Jeff Bezos doesn’t give a shit about the media reporting in his affair, R367. He released a statement through a spokesman saying he supports journalism and has no intention of trying to get media outlets to stop talking about him. He basically shrugged and said, “Go ahead. Talk about me. No biggie.”

I always take a cellphone with me when I go for a walk. I could get hit by a car or a dog might try to attack me. After calling 911 I’d use the strobe light/police siren app on my phone and point it right in the dog’s eyes and turn the volume all the way up.

I mean Jesus, if you’re walking a dog you should worry that a pit bull could attack your dog ...,even if your dog is also a pit bull. Not to mention coyotes.

R373 That is kind of where I was going with this, but I think I was too subtle.

R370 I apologize, I posted first, thought after. I get what you’re saying. There are places where you are lucky enough not to have to worry about bringing a cell phone.

I miss the long stretch of my life without a mobile phone, when a long walk with the dog was limited to me, the dog, and the quiet - in my surroundings and in my mind.

Also, this news is like a breath of hope in a cycle that seems increasingly hopeless.

It’s hard to imagine a more grim scenario to break out of. And she did it -maybe through sheer hope.

R372, Good that Jeff Bezos doesn't care that he's become the laughing stock of the internet. Perhaps because the texts make him appear to be more het?

Kudos to Bezos for raising the self-esteem of Incels who are extemely jealous of his wealth and power, and assumed unlimited access to perfect 10's that they unrealistically desire.

I hope she isn't pregnant.

Re the previous poster who mentioned Reddit posts, OMG. Please read and let me know what you think.

R378 If she is she should make lemonade out of lemons

She could go on Teen Mom. It probably pays well.

I've been to that part of Wisconsin and it's so very rural. Outside of Superior which is a suburb of Duluth cell phone reception is spotty. So she could've had the cell phone with her but no reception?

Also Jayme appears to be in good shape. They say she was thin but the picture taken of her after, doesn't look that different, so maybe she was thin already.

Jennie-O is a big employer in that area, so it's not unusual that most people in the area will have worked there at one time. Nor is it unusual he only worked one day. I work in hospitality and in that field, working one day and quitting is common. Most places prefer if you're going to quit, to do it quickly so you don't waste everyone's time.

If you remember the guy who broke into the house to steal Jayme's undergarments was also employed by the Jennie-O plant at one time. He was cleared of any involvement.

What they say is: Jayme nor the family had no prior contact with this guy. The guy killed the parents with the express purpose of taking Jayme. He was out looking for her when arrested. He offered no resistance when arrested. The lady who Jayme ran to was a former child protective custody worker. She took Jayme to the home where they offered her food and drink and she declined both. They said her demeanor was calm and relaxed once they got her to the house and called 911. She remained there for 20 minutes before the cops got her. Whether or not she was sexually abused isn't said, but she is in excellent physical shape.

Get this the lady who Jayme went for help, her last name is Nutter. And her husband is Forrest Nutter.

Police say everyone including the suspects brother has been cooperating with law enforcement but the father of the suspect has not been located yet.

Of course all this can change in a minute. The first indictment will be issued on Monday 1-1419

DAMN YOU, R 351 !!! My keyboards soaked and my stomach hurts from laughing.

Forrest Nutter is a great name .

Whatever happened, that child is going to need serious help. I hope she gets more help than poor Elizabeth Smart. I really like Smart, but I wish she didn’t have to make her living being a paid guest at dinner parties.

And I still wonder if her captivity with that weirdo and his wife wasn’t a little more freedom than she was allowed in her weird home. Out of the frying pan into the fire.

Hope she’s really okay. I remember how happy I was that she was found alive.

Forrest Nutters, cumming soon from Treasure Island Media.

Pretty much debunked r379

What's the implications of the charge being second degree murder instead of first?

[quote]It's pretty clear she wasn't involved in the murders. How would her parents death be to her advantage? If she'd wanted to be with this man they'd have just run off together

Ummmm, except that the girl is, well, a girl, not an adult. She didn't and still doesn't have that sort of autonomy before the law.

Have you never read anything about the Dee Dee Blanchard case, mentioned at least twice upthread? Even though the girl WAS of age, she still had her mother killed.

I cannot believe there are still people who think this girl had a hand in her parents’ murders.

I still think she could be the Gypsy of this story.

Hopefully not r390 but it's happened a few times.

[quote]the guy who broke into the house to steal Jayme's undergarments was also employed by the Jennie-O plant at one time.

So she had one pervert obsessed with her who killed her parents and kidnapped her, and before that another pervert broke into her house and stole her panties. This poor kid is a magnet for freaks.

R393 Exactly how does one 13 yr old have one pervert break into the house and steal her panties and another kill her parents and kidnap her? Something else is going on here. This definitely reminds me of Gypsy. The police need to dig deeper because something is rotten in Denmark.

R394, the first event may have shone a spotlight on her which meant the second creep fixated on her.

[quote]Exactly how does one 13 yr old have one pervert break into the house and steal her panties and another kill her parents and kidnap her?

That happened a couple weeks after she was taken and of course her picture was splattered all over the place. Also the panty thief, was known to the police because he had been arrested before for the same crime, stealing underwear. He was transitioning and my theory is crime scene clothes would either make him some money, yes people pay for things like this or he got a thrill out of wearing someone else's under things.

Remember most people assumed by this point she would never be found alive.

[quote]He was transitioning

Of course he was.

The suspect seemed to be rather smart. For instance the night of his crime he completely shaved his head and took steps to make sure he'd leave no DNA and foot tracks.

The police obviously lied when they said the door had been kicked in, many at Websleuths noticed the door looked like it was shot, which it was. The means the neighbors who said they heard two shots, were wrong. At least three must have been fired.

The fact that the girl was dirty was likely in her favor as rapists usually encourage bathing to wash away evidence. The cabin was a full time residence with power and water running. The odd thing about that is the father of the suspect, the owner, just transferred the title of the cabin to the credit union, after failing to pay taxes on the cabin for more than a year. So the father didn't even owner. This transfer occurs two weeks after the crime.

The other odd thing is Jayme knew his name. So either this idiot told her his full name or she saw it somehow.

She could have taken a glimpse at a credit card, ID, addressed mail, etc.

I wonder if he was obsessed with the Elizabeth Smart case and had looked for his own opportunity. He probably thought he could do it differently and not get caught. He's such a disgusting little fuckweasel.

I don't always hope for people to get raped in prison, but when I do...

I think much more is going to shake down in the weeks to come. I doubt she was totally innocent in this, and I am not saying this to be a dick. So much feels a wee bit too pat. Right down to the person walking the dog she chased down who didn't have a cell phone, and happened to be a "former child protective custody worker." If true. What are the fucking odds? There is more than a whiff of hinky here.

I still can't understand why he killed the parents. It should be relatively easy to get her alone to kidnap her. The only thing I can think of is he feared being seen on the numerous cameras that are everywhere now.

I think there's more to the story, r402.

[quote]The suspect seemed to be rather smart. For instance the night of his crime he completely shaved his head and took steps to make sure he'd leave no DNA and foot tracks.

Or he just watches tv. There was a serial killer on CSI who did this exact thing- shaved off all his body hair.

The kidnapper took her then , some days later a pervert became obsessed with the case and stole her underwear from the crime scene... How the hell does that implicate her in any way? What the fuck is wrong with you people?

I've seen this episode of Criminal Minds. She hates her parents, and so lures a crazy into killing them, but she's too immature to realize he's psycho and will kidnap her after-the-fact. The BAU shows up at the cabin, though, and saves her, not an old woman.

R406 yup Datalounge watches a lot of Criminal Minds.

There's a possibility she chatted with this guy while gaming online, or some such online interaction outside of social media, without ever knowing who she really was chatting with. Just a casual convo on her part, but maybe she didn't realize the person she was chatting with knew who she was. Or maybe she unwittingly let slip enough details about herself and where she lived for him to track her down.

Or he could've simply spotted her around town, gotten fixated on her, and began making plans. Barron is a small town. So the odds of him seeing her around town are very good, as are the odds of him coming to Barron to drink, shop, or hang out, because there's so little to do in that part of Wisconsin. And if he'd been fantasizing about kidnapping a girl for his very own, first thing he'd have realized is that he couldn't nab one in his immediate vicinity.

[quote]Or he could've simply spotted her around town, gotten fixated on her, and began making plans.

He seems the type to lurk near high schools even well after he’s graduated. Incels typify arrested development and are fixated on their formative years.

But the question remains: why kill the parents?

Who knows? Maybe he read The Collector one too many times and thought it would be cool to keep a girl captive in his basement. Maybe part of his fantasy involved blowing the parents away. We’ll find it all out eventually.

The fraus on this thread seem to think that there has to be some tv show twist. Maybe this is just a creep kidnapping a kid.

[quote]There's a possibility she chatted with this guy while gaming online, or some such online interaction outside of social media, without ever knowing who she really was chatting with

The family computer and her phone was thoroughly searched, so unless she somehow got a burner phone, it's not likely she talked with him online or via text.

Her own significant time not in Barron, is when she ran cross country and attended dance classes in Rice Lake (a town of almost 9.000), Wisconsin.

I'm actually less and less convinced she was involved. I think it was more of a Shasta Groene type of thing. If Jayme had anything to do with this guy, he'll probably tell the police that, e.g. "She begged me to kill her abusive parents, I was just rescuing her!" If he doesn't claim to have had a prior relationship with her, it's pretty unlikely...

Here is a photo of her from Jan 11th.

It's of the aunt who funcitoned as her babysitter (labeled caretaker by the press, and is now her legal guardian) and her dog, the one that was at home when her parents were killed.

She doesn't look any different to me, than the other pictures.

The expression on that dog's face...ha!

Am I turning into an old fart for thinking a selfie with aunty posted publicly so soon after Jayme was found is odd? I realize it was posted by her aunt on a FB page dedicated to Jayme, and people are interested to see her after her safe return. But a photo that looks like any old selfie someone would take while hanging with their aunt gave me pause. (Or maybe I’m just a jaded bitch after Hannah Anderson. Of course, no sign Jayme is going to behave like her. Heck, it was her aunt posting the picture.)

^ Yes, you're an old fart. Nothing seems odd about it.

Jayme's parents dropped her off at her aunt's house in the morning, before going to work. They picked her up at night. At one point the aunt moved away from the area, and Jayme had to change schools. Wonder how that affected her attitude towards her parents.

^ It's pathetic how desperate some of you are to have this girl be involved in her parents muder and subsequent sex slavery.

r419 = Valessa Robinson

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R419, Clearly Jayme was spending more time at her aunt's home than her parents, with the exception of when she was asleep. There are holes in this case as the media has reported it. Not saying Jayme's necessarily involved in any way in her parents' murder. Just that I'm undecided and waiting for more info. Of course she could have said something to someone that was somehow misinterpreted too.

Would like to know if the perp was on drugs, or dealt them. He had to have gas for his car and some food. So where did the money come from?

Why does she look so dated? Is crimped hair considered fashionable in rural Wisconsin ?

DL, hung up on her fashion choices.

[quote] Would like to know if the perp was on drugs, or dealt them. He had to have gas for his car and some food. So where did the money come from?

From his dad, who signed over the title of his house to him. Apparently the dad is trying to distance himself from his pervy sons, telling the cops he has nothing to do with them. But I'm sure he still gives them money like most other enabling parents of troubled adult offspring who don't want them sleeping on the street.

Exactly, R426. Still paying for Junior's basement apartment and wi-fi but refusing to take any responsibility for their freak of a son. Typical.

Well come on, R425. I mean.....

She should start a GoFundMe for a nose job and a chin implant.

R426, We know his rent was covered and possibly heating costs. Still he would need gas & food money.

My parents were brutally murdered in front of me and I was kidnapped and raped for weeks on end.Oooo I know,Ill take a bunch of selfies ! I dont care if that is the way things are now,theres something disturbing about smiling in pictures to me after so much horror. She was in on it. Maybe not the killing part,but she knows more than is being said. bet you.

More reunion photos, from People.com:

OK ... all other speculations set aside, it is weird that her family isn't shielding her a bit at such an early stage.

I know everyone processes their trauma in their own ways but it is weird to me how they're so many photo ops like it's a birthday party so soon. After horrendous ordeal.  I have yet to see one picture or an interview with Sheri Papini who was kidnapped in 2016 and escaped after 22 days.

Weirdness upon weirdness, for sure.

Is the family Mormon or another non-mainstream religion?

From his DAD, r431. His DAD SUPPORTS HIM.

Gawd, some of you are dense.

And so what if her relatives are releasing photos, showing the world she's safe and with THEM. It's mostly these relatives showing off what good people they are for taking in their orphaned neice who was kidnapped. They're enjoying some fame from the whole thing. Yeah, it's somewhat skeevy but I don't think it's any more sinister than that. Look at us! Look at us!

skip a rope

twang twang twaaang

Does anyone else think she was in on it?

Not just that, R437, undoubtedly People paid quite a bit.

It makes me really uncomfortable, seems very non-protective and is telling about the family dynamics. Poor kid.

I'm sure her aunt is so incredibly happy and grateful to have her back she's just agreeing to everything, and poor JC is still reeling from her escape. Not everything has to be analysed ffs.

[quote]Not everything has to be analysed ffs.

You must be new here.

Did she have school friends? A few pics on social media is a quick and easy way of reaching them without having to catch up with each one right away. Teachers too.

Elizabeth Smart - was she in People magazine too? Maybe more families would do it, except these cases so rarely turn out well.

Seems like you would want privacy and family time, feels a bit voyeuristic.

[quote]Sheri Papini who was kidnapped

lol

I have fallen down the Sherri Papini DL rabbit hole.

Who will play Forrest Nutter in the inevitable Lifetime movie event?

The house he was in was signed over to the credit union two weeks after the crime was committed, due to not paying back taxes.

The kid was caught siphoning off gas by one of his neighbors.

CBS is 14 minutes into a new 48 Hours about the case right now.

Thanks. Can't see it now.

Elizabeth Smart’s family did an exclusive magazine article after her rescue, I think with People. I think they thought doing an exclusive would satisfy curious people and get them to leave them alone, which pretty much worked. That was before people were posting their every cup of coffee on Instagram though.

The family seems to be enjoying the media attention a little. Whole thing is bizarre and creepy.

The kidnapper looks like Brick on "The Middle".

I don't think she deliberately participated in murders. The pedo probably catfished her, pretended to be a high school guy, who flattered her, told her how special she was, the usual BS, promised her who knows what, that they would run away from that one horse town, etc, so she let him into the house and came to regret it. I'm always amazed how naive and socially retarded kids these days are:, falling for any sign of (fake) attention and affection on social media.

I was going to say I hope all of you cunts feel bad about what you said after the horrific story starts to come out but then I remembered sociopaths and Dataloungers don't feel shame or regret.

So why are you here r454?

R449, Since I no longer have TV, can you please summarize the highlights of CBS' program?

Why don't you have TV r456?

The FBI scrubbed her and her family’s internet histories hard. I don’t think she interacted with this guy at all online. He either saw her IRL or saw her online and stalked her from there but never reached out to her.

[quote] Elizabeth Smart - was she in People magazine too? Maybe more families would do it, except these cases so rarely turn out well.

[quote] Seems like you would want privacy and family time, feels a bit voyeuristic.

IIRC, Jaycee Dugard did a photo shoot for People shortly after she was found. She said she thought it would increase her chances of being left alone, because once the photos were out there, there would be less motivation for the press to try to snap some of their own.

So he can tell everyone he doesn't have a TV.

I doubt she had anything to do with the murder of her parents, but it wouldn't surprise me if she were involved with the killer. The poor girl is on the homely side and may have been desperate for attention and approval since boys her age were probably focused on the cuter girls at school. 13 is when kids really start noticing who they are attracted to and who is attracted to them (of course, I'm talking about same aged peers, not a 20 year old creep). It wouldn't be her fault, I think the guy could have picked up on her insecurities and groomed her. I think the parents found out about the relationship and freaked out, so he killed them and absconded with her.

R457, Have had a nightmare dealing with Cox just for my internet service. They finally admitted to me they didn't have enough tech for their existing accounts. When my internet went out they used to claim "wild animals were affecting the outside connections." Excuse me? I live a couple blocks from Palms Casino. The only "wild animals" around here have 2 legs. OK, they finally gave me a few free months. Wasn't worth the $100 mo savings.

Neighbor has even worse problems with Cox for TV. She's elderly and doesn't have internet. We both wish Cox didn't have a total monopoly.

Exactly my thought r460. I had a friend who was one of those "TV is poison" assholes, so refused to get cable. Every week, without fail, there was a program on she really wanted to see so she would ask me to tape it for her. My guess is r456 is one of "those".

LE has said publicly several times that she hadn't known him, had never interacted with him in real life or on the internet, and they don't know why he targeted her but they're convinced he did.

I don't get what's so hard to understand about that. Easier for some to blame the victim? Matches their TV fantasies from watching SVU and Criminal Minds?

[quote] If you remember the guy who broke into the house to steal Jayme's undergarments was also employed by the Jennie-O plant at one time. He was cleared of any involvement.

Jesus I’m glad I don’t live in & didn’t grow up in fucking flyover country, where a 13 year old girl has fucking perverts breaking into her house to sniff her undies AND THEN had to deal with a completely unrelated homicidal perv who breaks into her house, kills her parents, abducts, rapes & holds her hostage.

Then the son of the president of this fucking disgusting country has the nerve to compare penniless Central American peasants to zoo animals.

the undie sniffer came after the homicidal perv .

Men like this are incels, they’re not normal. They’ve always been around, but people make a bigger deal out of it now because of the #Metoo movement. Women quit brushing off creepy stalkers and now complain about them. Good.

[quote]The poor girl is on the homely side and may have been desperate for attention and approval since boys her age were probably focused on the cuter girls at school. 13 is when kids really start noticing who they are attracted to

If she's homly the stalker is butt ugly. I don't care how ugly a girl I was, you'd still be better than this dude based on looks alone.

R460. R463, You are both 100% wrong. I never have told anyone that I don't have a TV. I've also never asked anyone to record anything for me. I suffer from eye strain and was advised by my optometrist to choose between the internet and TV. I chose the former. Glasses and/or contacts would not solve the problem.

I don't want to further distract from the subject matter of Jayme Closs. So please don't make any more ridiculous assumptions about a total stranger. Thank you.

R467, Thank you for your post. Women and girls of all ages have always had to deal with delusional creeps lacking in common sense or manners. Total zeros.

I'm from Wisconsin, and I don't think the Barron sheriff is telling the whole story. It just doesn't add up.

What doesn’t “add up”?

It's hard to explain, but the sheriff seems 100% certain about a few things that I dont think he can be certain of. And, that started from the very beginning.

R472, I'd love to know how the perp 1st connected with Jayme Closs. Did he see her walking down the street and then follow her home? At this point it just seems so random.

Sure girls get kidnapped, even in small towns. However the perp doesn't show up in the middle of the night at their home and murder their parents in most kidnapping cases. Easier to grab them when they're walking alone.

Exactly!!!! How can they say no one knew this guy when the parents arent alive to confirm that.

R473, I agree with you about the sheriff seemingly certain that Jayme was still alive, even after weeks and weeks of no real clues. Statistically the odds were not in Jayme's favor, especially since there wasn't a ransom note.

Yes, that was the first thing. He was sure she was alive and had nothing to do with it. Only hours after it happened.

R477, Do you think that the sheriff purposely gave out that info so skeptics wouldn't convince the public to stop looking for her? Media usually shies away from continuously reporting when the victim has a tarnished reputation. So many rude people today are so inconsiderate, and make up the worst possible stories about strangers. Can you imagine being one of Jayme's relatives and having to read comments of how she plotted to kill her own parents?

That would be awful to read.

If the guy pleads guilty, we may never know the truth to all this.

WE SOLVED ANOTHER ONE! And once again, no one will give us any credit.

R479, Just speculating, do you think the sheriff didn't want to reveal any of the insider info he knew about this case because it would make Jayme's parents look bad? Her innocent relatives would have to deal with the shame. When Jayme was rescued she'd also have to carry the burden, gossips can be so mean. Some say you shouldn't speak ill of the dead anyway.

There has been online guesses that the parents could have had gambling debts, or used or dealt drugs, or knew some bad people through working at Jennie-O or elsewhere. Please don't dis me as admittedly I'm repeating unproven, random gossip. IMHO the perp (perps?) went to Jayme's house with the intention of killing her parents. LE said it resembled a pro hit, and not by a clueless Incel. Honestly did he really act 100% alone?

I agree with others here who have criticized the thirsty, attention whores in her extended family. WTF? This girl is still recovering from an unimaginable trauma. She should be shielded for weeks, if not months as she slowly gets her life back while receiving intense therapy. Posting smiling selfies on SM? JFC! How clueless and crass can you be?

BTW, I heard when they found her she was thin and frail. No sign of that in those pics. She looks healthy and fit to me. No worse for wear.

r482

It does appear she was not physically abused, but if she was sexually abused, that's another kettle of fish.

Can you imagine having that weirdo as your first? Thank God, they can give her pills to prevent or end any pregnancy she might have had, if she was sexually molested.

[quote] I'd love to know how the perp 1st connected with Jayme Closs. Did he see her walking down the street and then follow her home? At this point it just seems so random.

as for that it is random but so what? I live in Chicago and random acts of violence happen all the time. Of course in the city the journalists usually victim blame too.

There will be an indictment on Monday. I don't know if he'll plead guilty, he definitely is a few bricks short of a load but since Wisconsin doesn't have a death penalty he has nothing to lose by pleading not guilty. It was obviously two premeditated murders, so he isn't going anywhere ever, well hopefully.

I found Jake's resume on "Indeed" dot Com

[bold]Laborer[/bold]

Gordon, WI

Authorized to work in United States for any employer

Work Experiencet

[bold]Laborer[/bold]

Bohmann Concrete - Hayward, WI

April 2018 to November 2018

[bold]Recruit[/bold]

Marine Corps Boot Camp - San Diego, CA

April 2017 to December 2017

[bold]Production Worker[/bold]

Quanex Building Products - Rice Lake, WI

October 2016 to January 2017

Worked here in kitting for 3 months. Mostly packaging and stocking screens.

[bold]Education[/bold]t

High school diploma

Northwood High School Minong, WI

January 2012 to January 2016

[bold]Skills[/bold]t

I'm an honest and hardworking guy. Not much work experience but I show up to work and am a quick learner. (Less than 1 year)

So the Marines didn't take him, r484?

r485

I assume not. But be aware, like any resume what is on it isn't necessarily true. The last update was in October before he kidnapped Jayme.

School classmates said he wanted to be a Marine. Even with issues recruiting seems they got to know him a bit and gave a hard pass. Someone must know the story there.

Something about all of this is off, including the extended family. So the aunt she is with was her before and after school childcare? And the aunt moving led to her changing schools? Sounds more like the parents wanted to transfer her and the aunt moving provided residency elsewhere? Dunno. Wonder when she will go back to school. Regardless of back story, poor kid.

[quote]Just speculating, do you think the sheriff didn't want to reveal any of the insider info he knew about this case because it would make Jayme's parents look bad?

Or he doesn’t want to jeopardize the state’s case against this guy by saying the wrong thing or giving fuel to his defense team if he gets one. This is law enforcement 101.

[quote]BTW, I heard when they found her she was thin and frail. No sign of that in those pics. She looks healthy and fit to me. No worse for wear.

Yes dear. Because those photos of her bundled up in layers of clothes, mostly shot from the shoulders up, are sure to tell the whole story. No need to investigate, madame frau at r482 has it solved.

Ugh, at his resume 'highlights'. I'm sure he also thought of, and described himself "I'm a nice guy!" and 'a catch'. Because, of course, stalkers/rapists/murderers are such (to themselves and to some wackos on DL if they look a certain way).

It would say quite a bit if he was considered too fucked up to be untrainable for the military.

[quote]^ Straight men are such sick fucks

Aren’t they though?

I agree!

Me too!

Don't forget me!

R453, the front door lock to the home was blown off with a shotgun. It was a forced entry, therefore no one opened the door for this psycho and let him in.

There is zero evidence or indications that Jayme or anyone in her family had communicated with the murderer/kidnapper previously.

This creep somehow spotted this girl and stalked her. He murdered her parents specifically for the purpose of succeeding in the kidnapping of their child.

I am always puzzled that people cannot fathom that there are people in our society capable of doing something like this with no participation from the victims.

There are some REALLY sick fucks out there. All that has to happen is that some sick fuck becomes fixated and determined to harm you, and depending on a number of variables, they might succeed in carrying out harm towards you and/or your family.

Why are some of you so mystified over the concept that really bad shit can happen to anyone, while the victim being unaware that they are about to be seriously harmed?

The sheriff and the media has made a big deal about the fact that the kidnapper shaved his head to minimize his forensic footprint. But, would that really matter ? He had no criminal record and they had absolutely no clue who he was. So, his DNA is not on file any place. Even if he had left hairs at the scene, they would have been no good to police.

The world of the heterosexual really is a sick one ain’t it?

r494

I agree, I live in Chicago and all the time people will demand money get it and shoot the person anyway. How's this different, he demands the girl and shoots anyway.

[quote]. So the aunt she is with was her before and after school childcare? And the aunt moving led to her changing schools? Sounds more like the parents wanted to transfer her and the aunt moving provided residency elsewhere?

The parents both work at the Jennie-O plant. So the aunt would pick her up after school and let her stay at her house till the parents could get her. When the aunt moved it was too far for the aunt so the parents changed the school, so the aunt could still get her.

I imagine with Jayme being 13 she was getting a little bit too old to need a babysitter though.

Misspelled his name, that’s *Armin Meiwes. Crazy podcast out about him now, “Monstruo” for those of you interested in the gory stuff.

The other day I was half listening to the radio while in traffic and they were talking about some tennis player's sister being stalked by someone she'd never met. It started online and eventually graduated to actually physically stalking. The discussion went on to say this was not at all uncommon among people who weren't celebrities.

Here’s my theory: parents were drug users, incel was a dealer. They owed him money. He took the daughter as payment and killed them.

The aunt knew the parents were skeevy, so she cared for the daughter while they were at home getting high. The aunt has been the real parent for years.

The sheriff knows the parents had drug issues. They’ve been known to the police before all of this as drug users.

r501 = Keith Morrison

[quote]The sheriff and the media has made a big deal about the fact that the kidnapper shaved his head to minimize his forensic footprint. But, would that really matter ? He had no criminal record and they had absolutely no clue who he was. So, his DNA is not on file any place. Even if he had left hairs at the scene, they would have been no good to police.

Because he thought it was cool or something. He probably saw it on some crime show. By the sheriff pointing this out it also sends the message that this guy taking such measures still didn’t prevent him from being found and arrested.

This sounds bizarre, but when I saw his picture, he looked like someone, and it was driving me CRAZY. I think it's his expression in the pic. Finally figured it out. To me, he resembles Matt Bellasai who does those "Whine about it" videos.

I'm in the camp where the Facebook selfie of Jayme seems too soon, and odd. I just hate social media culture so much. But maybe the Aunt doesn't see it that way. She looked so healthy though.

It's funny to me that complete strangers online think they get to decide what's "too soon" or "appropriate" after you're parents have been murdered and you've escaped from a fucking psycho.

R501, Not saying you're right or wrong, as i really don't know either way. Still do you have anything other than a hunch re your scenario? Any online gossip? There was a CDAN Blind right after the murder/kidnapping but DL says CDAN's trash.

This is a small town and not Chicago. Shocking that totally random horrific crimes would happen.

Oops, your not you're.

That this guy even entertained that he could be a Marine is laughable. The Army, on the other hand, will take just about anyone. At least he dreamed big, I suppose.

R506, what did the CDAN blind say?

"By the sheriff pointing this out it also sends the message that this guy taking such measures still didn’t prevent him from being found and arrested."

But the police had nothing to do with catching him, Jayme did.

[quote]It's funny to me that complete strangers online think they get to decide what's "too soon" or "appropriate" after you're parents have been murdered and you've escaped from a fucking psycho.

Yes, we ARE a lot smarter and more compassionate than her hick relatives. Thank you for acknowledging it. The girl is 13. She isn't the one who took the pics and she didn't posted them. Her tone deaf, fame hungry relatives did. Who knows if she even wanted to be exposed that way? She may have reluctantly gone along with it at their insistence---the victim once again. Fact is, the aunt should be protecting her, not flaunting her own virtue.

R506, no, I don’t think that because of online gossip. I think it because I knew a man with a long record for drug offenses. He did time in prison for stealing to support his habit. After prison, he moved into an apartment where a lot of drug addicts lived, went back on drugs immediately and became a drug dealer. He was murdered by two drug addict “friends” that stole his drugs.

There was a long investigation of this situation. Eventually it was found that the dealer was surrounding himself with an entire group of very skeevy, messed up people, and that’s what led to his death. The police knew of all of these people, they all had records. They were known to be in and out of prison like a revolving door.

The police said it was inevitable that people like that either die or end up doing long sentences eventually as they deteriorate further and start robbing people to pay for their habit, or maybe move up to killing people to get drugs.

During the investigation, some of the dealer’s friends were interviewed. They had sad, tragic lives and extremely low standards about what was acceptable or normal. Living in extreme poverty, without even the basic levels of cleanliness or possessions. Just destitute. They weren’t raised like you and me, they just were doomed from the start for various reasons. Abuse, neglect, druggie parents, molestation. They never had a chance.

It really opened my eyes.

Another thing I found very significant is that the girl was essentially living with her aunt. Either the parents weren’t fit due to drug use or other reasons, or there was something illegal going on at home the adults didn’t want the girl to see or be a part of. If you’re trying to hide something, don’t do it in front of a teenager.

I’m aware kids stay with relatives to stay in a school district. I did that myself when I was younger. The schools frown on it a lot. They try to stop it if you get caught. I was told never to attract the attention of the principal or teachers or I would lose my school.

In my case, it wasn’t just a matter of babysitting at that age. It was that my home environment was very unstable and keeping me with my grandparents part time helped things seem more normal. There’s always a story behind this.

We'll find out later today.

Anyone know the time of the arraignment?

so was she raped and violated? poor girl...

Who under the age of 95 says "violated," r517?

Neighbors were 'armed and ready' if suspect in Jayme Closs kidnapping showed up

oh look, fan fiction, just like the Hart Family threads.

[quote] Yes, we ARE a lot smarter and more compassionate

The delusion of websleuth fraus everywhere

No shit, R519. I would have done the same. That stain had already killed two people and kidnapped and raped their child. No way would I have NOT armed myself, had I been in their shoes.

There’s a SO MUCH weird in this story.

First, I agree that the series of selfies is a bit much. Maybe one photo with the whole family and the dog. It’s sufficient. I understand people want to see that she’s really okay.

There are so many creepy men out there who think they’re owed a woman’s (or girl’s!) attention. Men might not even realize the extent of it.

There was something “off” with the parents, too. The mother liked makeup and glitz, and the dad seemed to be much older. They seemed to be extra protective of her, sheltering her a bit. But maybe that’s typical of parents of an only child.

She had a big nose, but she couldn't go missing forever

I wonder if the kidnapper was a gay? Otherwise, I can't see why he had to kill the parents?

On the Reddit forums, they want the mods to delete all the posts of people that said Jayme might be involved because someday she might google herself and read that.

He killed the parents because he wanted to kidnap their daughter as a sex toy and get away with it clean, Rose.

I hope they do, R526. She's been through enough, what with her parents murder and being raped by that fug ass incel.

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Why are people making comments about her facial features? She's not even old enough to wear makeup by many families' standards. You want to bully a child for her looks...after all she's been through. Unbelievable.

r530 = new to DL

The family selfies are weird. If I were her guardian, I'd post just ONE pic of her smiling, holding her dog, so that people can see she's safe and already starting to heal. At the same time I posted the pic, I'd have thanked the community for their concern and assistance.

The aunt sure has made herself prominent in those selfies. I find it weird. Not only that, but the "rescuers" are talking to multiple media outlets too. The dog-walker has participated in multiple news stories where she describes the girl's appearance and behavior, and she relays their dialogue word for word, plus a bunch of irrelevant details about the encounter. Then the homeowners who welcomed her into the house while they called police have also described her appearance and behavior in multiple news stories. (Who the fuck cares that you offered her something to eat and drink, and she declined?) These folks have gotten a lot of mileage out of their non-stories.

She has nothing to be ashamed of. But she does deserve some privacy.

So if something is bad we should delete all references to it?

R531, I'm not new to DL. It's just that, no matter how long I've been here, some things never fail to shock and disgust me, even though I've seen it multiple times. It's like living in Trump's America. Yes, I know he's a sleazy scumbag who's trying to scam the American people to line his own pockets, but I still clutch my pearls every time he lies or says something stupid (daily).

Rancid cunts on this thread. I hope her family can keep her offline for a while at least.

Right, 535? Fuck people thinking it's ok to leave lies up about that poor kid. Are they hoping for Shasta part 2?

So miserable in their own lives they're entertained by the future potential suffering of Closs.

Won't someone think about the child?!?!?!?

Oh my but there are some self inflated egos on here. "How dare you speculate" blah,blah,blah. Maybe we speculate because over and over again we see stories where the teens WERE involved in someones death ? No one is saying she definitely was,just discussing it. Im sorry,I know shes young and all that,but to have both your parents gunned down and then be kidnapped and raped (allegedly) for 2 months yet she looks like she just came back from the 7-11 ? How could that terror and misery NOT show on your face ? Her eyes look exactly like they did from her before pics. Nope,spmething isnt right with this story and we will eventually find out what.

Christ, now the family is publishing the voicemails they left each other when the child was found alive. I hope the family doesn't start looking at this kid as their golden goose. They're probably negotiating for magazine and book deals now.

They already got a magazine deal from People.

If the extended family is this weird, it does make me wonder about the family back story.

It is all just weird.

For example, why does the NY Post have pics inside the house and basement where she was kept? Would it not be a secured crime scene?

Shouldn't the kid be in therapy? did she even get checked out at the hospital? The kid should be shielded from the outside world.

Well, they need the money obviously...But it probably doesn't even go to the kid, the parents take it and use it on themselves. fucking shit parents.

Uh, R542, the parents are DEAD.

As someone said up thread, it's probably the best thing for the family to do one big spread, show pictures and answer questions.

This way people's curiosity will be satisfied and she'll become yesterday's news and can start rebuilding her life without public intervention.

Let's face it a year from now, no one will care. They have a GoFundMe account for her, I hope the aunt saves it for Jayme's college.

Anyone know anything about the indictment of the perpetrator that was supposed to come down today?

R537 It's a gay forum not a psychopath forum you twat. No one here has to tolerate your vileness.

Remember the Shawn Hornbeck case? The horrific attitude towards that kid after he was rescued ?Blaminghim for years of torture and rape? It's like we as a species just don't want to accept that humans can be fucking monsters. And children do what they have to do to survive.

Why is LE taking any credit for this? She just stumbled into freedom by herself. And why does a 21 year old have such a badly receding hair line? Everyone involved seems out of their minds....

The newer people on here don’t know how to be witty. They’re just evil. They don’t know the difference smh.

I prefer the tasteless humor to the speculating that she killed her parents.

R547, YES!!!! (to the taking credit part!) I was wondering the same thing. Nothing they did found her.

It reminds me of the press conference after the Golden State Killer was apprehended. It was 40 YEARS later and absolutely NOTHING in the police investigation uncovered one clue as to who it really was. He was never even on their radar until a tip was called in and some DNA was run through a national database. They did nothing, but it was an hour-long circle jerk congratulating themselves.

As an aside, What a terrible picture to release to the media for a missing person. Is that the best one they had?

I can't believe there are still people speculating that Jayme had something to do with it. LE have specifically said that he targeted her after seeing her board a school bus. There was no prior contact and he was totally unknown to her and her family. This isn't about a girl who "got ony over her head with an older guy" and it isn't about drugs. It's about a psycho who randomly decided to kill this girl's parents so he could take her and hold her prisoner. That's it. Yes, it's horrifying and frightening, but blaming the victims doesn't make it not real. Time to face reality.

Jesus.

Just ignore it.

If you don't like it don't feed it.

R552, I’ll admit I was wrong and she wasn’t in on it, but I’m not sorry I considered it a possibility. It’s one of those things that happens every so often.

And I still don’t think she was chosen randomly by him.

R554 um, it was totally random. He confessed.

If we're going to speculate let's speculate about how the fuck someone becomes such an insane cunt? How can society avoid producing people like him?

^the details in the CNN sorry were pretty horrific... it shows the parents and Jayme were totally innocent. I hope she gets some really intense therapy. I think people are often going to put some blame on the victim, because it lessens the feeling of complete randomness of these tragedies. People can then rationalize it to some extent. But tragic things do happen randomly... and r556 you’re right, the big question is how did we as a society produce this monster?

[R537] It's a gay forum not a psychopath forum you twat. No one here has to tolerate your vileness.

Go back to BREXIT, you yellowtoothed baboon.

Can’t blame those who thought she might be involved. With her age and looks , she seems so impressionable and vulnerable. Glad she’s safe.

[quote]Can’t blame those who thought she might be involved.

Sure we can. I get it, those of you speculating were doing so based on a few previous high profile cases. But this time you were wrong. Consider that next time.

That poor child. I can’t even imagine. Why didn’t she take a blanket or a jacket or something? And she didn’t accept food from the people helping her? Maybe she was scared they’d poison her.

He’s making his court appearance now. He’s bald as hell at 21 years old.

Of course receding hairline guy had to kidnap someone, he's so ugly even DL'ers wouldn't fuck him.

And of course CDAN/Enty had a fake blind accusing the parents of sex trafficking her.

They also had a blind item about DL fave pastor Davey claiming that he will be questioned and arrested "soon". That was over one year ago and nothing happend. R565

There was also a CDAN blind about Don Henley getting sued and exposed in 2018. Never happened, of course.

I'm sure (hoping) they aren't as choosy, in prison R564.

They all look the same from behind and he'll be nice and tight for his cellblock, for a while at least. Bet he'll wish he could hide under the bed when it's time for 'Light's Out', like he forced Jayme to do, for three months.

I wish that CDAN about Don Henley was true!

I guess we now know a bit more about how Jayme was abducted.

He allegedly attempted to kidnap her twice before he succeeded. The police have not given details as to how he tried or why he failed.

Meant to write "Suspect in Jayme Closs case tried to kidnap her twice previously, complaint states" at r571

How is that poor girl ever going to feel truly safe again?

He tried twice before but saw people in the house or too many cars in the driveway.

R574, once something like this happens, you never feel safe again.

You heal, you become functional, and you can even thrive and overcome the trauma. However, it is never again the way it was before “it” happened. You are now forever aware that someone or something can come out of nowhere and change your life profoundly.

Jayme has the additional trauma of witnessing the murders of her parents.

I really wish this little girl the best, but witnessing murder is a life changing event and she may never overcome it.

I am still speechless regarding the fact that this guy killed her parents. Justice will never be served here, no matter what. He took everything from this kid.

Her determination to escape is what she’s going to need in order to heal from this, and sustaining that is easier said than done.

Her family better be getting her some competent therapy right now. Hope the state is monitoring her care.

i hope she will get the help she needs to get through all this. i wonder if Elizabeth Smart can help her. I feel so sad for Shasta Groene too.

There are no sexual assault charges filed against him? Did he have her all that time and really not rape her?

The evidence may not be processed yet.

R579 I thought the same thing... I wonder if they have such a solid case on the murder charges, etc., that they’ll forego those charges to spare Jayme.

Considering how readily he admitted to plotting the murders and kidnapping, it wouldn't surprise me if he'd admit to rape as well. If it happened, that is, and I'd be shocked if it didn't.

More charges might be filed in Douglas County where she was found.

He first spotted her on the school bus.

Since the names and faces of sexual assault victims are not seen, I’ll bet any details of that if they occurred have been redacted. The horror christ...

She never directly looks into the camera. Is she autistic?

R579 = Howard Stern

I was thinking that too, r579. Usually that's the case.

I guess it's possible he didn't rape her, but from what I've read, it may be that the reason he hasn't been charged with rape or sexual assault (yet?) is because it occurred in the county where he took her, not in Barron where he committed the murders and kidnapping and is charged with those offenses.

[quote]I really wish this little girl the best, but witnessing murder is a life changing event and she may never overcome it.

I live in a city where both adults and children see this daily, yet no one cares about that. In fact, we have a whole genre of music encouraging it.

"There are no sexual assault charges filed against him? Did he have her all that time and really not rape her?"

They may want to spare this poor child the trauma of testifying, and the shame of making more details public (not that she has anything to feel shameful about). At this point, this guy is not going anywhere. Ever. He's done. There's no point in putting her through it.

If he went to prison on just murder charges would it protect him somewhat from the other inmates? If he had a child rape charge in there, would he be more in danger of harassment and violence from the other inmates? If so, I'd consider it worth it to tack on the rape charges and I'd hope that would be explained to Jayme and she'd be the one to decide. She could have her revenge then, if she wanted.

At 6'1 215 pounds he's big enough to defend himself from most other prisoners. No matter what your crime is, if you're big enough, no one bothers you.

I'm surprised he's so tall. He looks like a fucking dork that's only 5'6.

Well well well, guess all you “She was in on it” losers have to eat crow now. There were so many of you on this thread so sure she was in on it somehow, or that she knew the kidnapper/murderer somehow, or that her parents were involved with drugs.

All of you were wrong.

That is glorious. That is what I’m happiest about when I read the latest news reports. It was always so obvious, but you morons held fast to your genius theories. Ha!

And I’m guessing the “She was in on it” people are the same ones who automatically screech “EST!” whenever someone asks for advice or tells a really mundane story that for the EST freaks just seems too “elaborate” to be real.

You people are just *too* smart.

[quote]Well well well, guess all you “She was in on it” losers have to eat crow now.

Oh, I'm sure many of them will continue to insist that she somehow played a role.

Well maybe he saw the futility of it and he and Jayme concocted a scheme to let her go and he'd take the whole rap alone.

[quote] She never directly looks into the camera. Is she autistic?

Are you? She saw her parents murdered, then was held captive by the murderer for three months. Sue her if she's not ready for her close up.

That’s right, R598! Don’t give up!