NYT article on "sugar babies"

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If anything, a “sugar baby” hoping to find a lasting arrangement with “a good provider” should withhold sex for as long as possible, said the thrice-divorced Mr. Wade, who also runs other dating sites including OpenMinded.com, which promotes so-called “ethical cheating.” “The moment you give sex, you have lost all your power,” he said.

That was a key theme of the keynote presentation he delivered at a Sugar Baby Summit (exploring “the strategy behind living the sugar lifestyle”) that he organized at 10 on the Park, an event venue in the Time Warner Center in May. There, some 200 attendees, many silkily coifed young women, paid $50 apiece for admission to panels on topics like styling, personal branding and “financial literacy.” Mr. Wade claims that the site has 20 million members worldwide, about 60 percent of them in the U.S.

The site also markets itself as an antidote to student debt. “SeekingArrangement.com has helped facilitate hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of arrangements that have helped students graduate debt-free,” Mr. Wade was quoted as saying in one news release, which also claimed: “Sugar Baby students receive an average of $3,000 in monthly allowances, earning $20,920 more than a student working full time at the federal minimum wage.”

When you sign up for an account, this message pops up on screen: “Tip: Using a .edu email address earns you a free upgrade!” (College students using their university emails to log into the site also get their profiles included under a “college student” heading so that sugar parents intent on “helping” college students can find them easily, a company spokeswoman said.)

The profiles of SeekingArrangement sugar daddies include how much they make — purportedly. One man, who listed a net worth of $5 million, for example, wrote, “I’m looking to spend quality time (and money) with a potential friend (or friends).”

Another man (net worth: $1 million, annual income: $200,000) wrote, “We’ll see how things evolve, and would love to serve as a mentor for anyone looking to start their own company.”

Whether the agreements forged through SeekingArrangement constitute prostitution or solicitation depends on the specific details of each relationship and negotiation, said Marc Agnifilo, a New York lawyer who represented one of the agency bookers in the Eliot Spitzer scandal and whose firm is handling the criminal defense of Harvey Weinstein. “In New York, prostitution is sex for a fee. And in each instance, the questions are, ‘What constitutes sex, and what constitutes a fee?’” he said.

Dipping In Legal issues were far from Ms. Fowles’s mind when she went on a few dinner dates with a man she met on SeekingArrangement.com, who told her he was 37 years old. “He was Jewish, so we had to go to kosher places,” she said. Without any prior discussion, he would hand her $200 or $500. There was no sex.

Then there was another man who took her to dinner in Midtown, after which they got a room at the CitizenM hotel. (He liked that hotel, she said, because you can book a room online and then check in at an unmanned electronic kiosk.) “It was very natural and it felt like a normal hookup, except he gave me money after,” she said. Nine hundred bucks, to be precise.

In March, Ms. Fowles decided she needed a regular allowance coming from a regular arrangement. She went back onto the site and soon received a message from a man who said his name was Jay and that he was an investment banker at Bain. “If you are interested in being spoiled, I have a very generous allowance and it would be a once a week thing,” he wrote to her, according to Ms. Fowles. He included a mobile number and requested that they speak. “It was weird because they usually don’t want to call you,” she said.

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On the phone, “Jay” said that his name was really Ron, and that he had enjoyed a long-term sugar arrangement with a young woman who had recently moved away to attend graduate school in Michigan. He had paid her at least $1,000 per encounter, Ms. Fowles said he told her — more than the going rate.

“I was like, ‘Wow, that’s so generous,’” she said.

They were going to meet that very night, but something — his jet lag from a trip to London, or maybe it was her menstrual cycle — got in the way. The next day, Ms. Fowles and Ron were back on the phone, planning a rendezvous. He asked her if she had a friend to bring along, whom he would pay the same amount. Discussions about the money were explicit but what it would buy him was never directly stated. “It was all, ‘I promise to make sure you have a good time,’” she said.

Ms. Fowles called a friend who was reluctant but needed the money. She sent Ron a few pictures of the friend, the three of them got on the phone, and then Ron and the friend spoke directly. They picked a date, a Tuesday afternoon at the end of March. Ms. Fowles felt an urgency to make it all happen.

“My rent was due,” she said.

The Assignation Ron said the three of them should meet at a hotel of Ms. Fowles’s choice, near the Jay Street-MetroTech subway station in Downtown Brooklyn. He said he wanted to meet midday, in between a lunch meeting and a dinner meeting. He asked Ms. Fowles to book the room. “My last sugar baby took care of all the details which took pressure off of me,” he told her. “She was like a personal assistant.”

He also told Ms. Fowles how he would like her and her friend to look. “I like when a girl gets all dolled up for me,” he said. He wanted them to wear thongs and high heels. Heavy makeup. He specifically requested “a smoky eye” and “a nude lip.”

“Get your hair done, I’ll obviously pay you back,” Ms. Fowles said he told her. So she and her friend went to Drybar for blowouts and met him in the lobby of the Aloft hotel, where Ms. Fowles had gotten a room for about $200. He was in grubby clothes and did not look like he had just come from a lunch meeting. He said he had run home after lunch to change into comfortable clothes.

Once they were up in the room, they got down to business. Ms. Fowles asked Ron to pay them upfront. Though Ron had clearly wanted to communicate on the telephone to avoid making a digital footprint with text messages, he said he wanted to pay her and her friend via the PayPal app. He told Ms. Fowles he could write off the expense if he paid it digitally.

Ms. Fowles didn’t have the PayPal app on her phone. So she downloaded it, and then Ron showed her how to request payment for $2,500 (including the cost of the hotel room and the blowouts). He then pulled out his phone, said he was accepting the request as he tapped away at his screen. “Phones off!” he ordered. Ms. Fowles and her friend then had sex with Ron. After his request for a massage (they said yes) and then a request for another go-round (they said no), he bid them adieu.

“‘I’ll text you about next time,’” Ms. Fowles said he said.

It wasn’t until she got on the subway and looked at PayPal that she saw her payment request had been ignored.

Why do we have to make up cute new names for the oldest profession in the book?

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The Return of Ron Ms. Fowles had another friend who was curious about sugar dating and who happened upon a profile on Tinder that caught her eye. It was a guy named Jay. His profile said that he was a “sugar daddy seeking arrangement.”

(The friend requested that her name not be used in this article, on the advice of a lawyer representing her as plaintiff in an unrelated case against a man she met on a dating app.)

The friend screen-shotted the Tinder profile and texted it to Ms. Fowles, who immediately recognized the back-story that the man who hoodwinked her had used on SeekingArrangement.

“Oh, I have a story to tell you!” Ms. Fowles texted her friend.

After discussing the drama, the two women decided to take advantage of the unusual circumstance. The friend swiped right on Jay. After a quick private message exchange, he suggested they speak on the phone. The number he gave her was the same number for Ron, Ms. Fowles’s deadbeat sugar daddy.

They had a conversation and he gave her the same story: Ron was his real name, he was an investment banker at Bain and he had a long-term arrangement with a young woman that had enabled her to enroll in graduate school in Michigan. He explained his preference for a smokey eye and a nude lip. He wanted to meet near the Jay Street-MetroTech subway station.

They eventually agreed to meet at Rocco’s Tacos and Tequila Bar, a restaurant not far from the New York Marriott at the Brooklyn Bridge.

The Caper Before the scheduled meeting, Ms. Fowles went to scope out the scene. At Rocco’s, she chatted up the bartender, telling him, “This is so weird, but I’m meeting someone and I don’t think they are who they say they are.”

She described “Jay/Ron” to the bartender, who agreed to take note of the actual name on the man’s credit card, or to ask for his I.D. if he ordered a drink and paid in cash.

Around 10:30 p.m., Ron entered the bar and sat at the opposite end, near the front door. Ms. Fowles texted her friend, back at her apartment in Windsor Terrace, to alert her.

The friend then texted Ron that she had arrived early and was in the ladies room. “‘I’m anxious,” she wrote. “Get me a prosecco so I can have a drink right away.”

Ron ordered the drink and handed the bartender his credit card.

The bartender casually walked over to the side of the bar where Ms. Fowles was perched. He spelled the first and last name on the credit card. Not Jay. Not Ron either.

Ms. Fowles sent a triumphant text to her friend, who texted Ron to let him know she was standing him up.

Dejected, Ron left Rocco’s. Ms. Fowles headed to her friend’s place in Windsor Terrace.

‘Wrong Number’ The women started Googling. They quickly found that the man had been an employee of City Hall and was now a student in a New York University program that is in Brooklyn, near the Jay Street-MetroTech subway stop. He’s married with children. He is not an investment banker (nor does he work at Bain, the management consultant firm).

On his N.Y.U. bio page, they were able to find a cellphone number different from the one Ron had used to communicate. (The woman who took part in the rendezvous with Ms. Fowles at the Aloft hotel, who wanted her name withheld for privacy, confirmed that the man pictured on an N.Y.U. bio page is the same man she and Ms. Fowles had sex with, after having been promised at least $1,000 each, with an additional $50 for the blowouts.)

Ms. Fowles called him on the number that was included on the bio.

“Recognize my voice? We spent two hours together,” Ms. Fowles said, addressing Jay by his real name.

“His voice got really high-pitched,” she said. “He said ‘wrong number.’ I said, ‘You had me pay for the hotel room, and I really need that money.”

She said he hung up on her.

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Going Public The following day, Ms. Fowles messaged Sherrod Small, a comedian she had met after a show at the Stand, a comedy club. She knew that Mr. Small was a host of a podcast, “Race Wars.” Did he need another guest, she asked him? Because she had a crazy story to share.

She recorded the podcast that day, one of five guests who bantered and told stories. Ms. Fowles first shared a story about how one of her college roommates had been murdered. Then, in a portion of the podcast that is offered to listeners for three dollars, she told what had happened at the Aloft hotel, and after. Except she said it had happened to two friends, not herself. “I didn’t say it was me on the podcast, because I was not ready to tell my story and was not sure how brave I could be,” she told The Times.

As she laid out the story, Mr. Small commented in disbelief of the guy’s actions — “It’s kind of rapey,” he said — in addition to the stupidity of the woman (a.k.a. Ms. Fowles). “Who is this dumb friend?” Mr. Small asked.

Since then, Ms. Fowles has reached out to Ron one more time, in June. “I was drunk and I left a message asking for my money” that was spent on the hotel room, she said.

The Times contacted Ron, who requested that his real name be withheld. “I remember meeting some women,” he said, referring to the rendezvous at the Aloft hotel. “I don’t remember the details. I don’t remember a promise of payment.”

He said that he looked for women on SeekingArrangement and advertised himself on Tinder as a “sugar daddy” — his profile urged women to “swipe right if looking to be spoiled” — solely because he thought it was a good way to meet women for non-transactional hookups.

He confirmed that he told women that he was an investment banker at Bain and that he had said he had a previous sugar arrangement with a young woman who had moved to Michigan for graduate school. But, he said, “none of that’s true.” He admitted: “All that’s a story” he made up.

Ms. Fowles hopes to warn “sugar babies” of their vulnerability in finding “sugar parents” on websites like SeekingArrangement; if they are taken advantage of or abused in such relationships, they have little recourse. Certainly not with Mr. Wade, the company’s founder, who said, “If she is on the site and engaging in sex for money, she is violating the terms of the site.”

Mr. Agnifilo, the lawyer, said it is unlikely that Ms. Fowles committed solicitation or prostitution as outlined by New York state statutes.

Still, Ms. Fowles has washed her hands of sugar-dating, hoping to pursue a career in personal styling. And she makes no apologies for her experience.

“Women are stigmatized and seen as repulsive and worthless when using their bodies to support themselves,” she said. “I was in a tough place financially, and I am O.K. with my decisions. Women have sex with vile men all the time so why shouldn’t we be paid for it if we choose? I don’t deserve to be shamed for it, or scammed because of it.”

Link?

Is that the end of the story?

OK, I found the rest of the story on the NYT website. This guy lies and pretends to be rich so that women will sleep with him. The whole time he probably curses those men who actually have enough money to pay women to sleep with them.

There will never be a straight equivalent of "grindr" where both partners are looking for sex for the benefit of sex.

R8, that *was* the end of the story!

For a lady, selling one’s pussy is one of the oldest methods of gaining security and status. Thanks to the folks at the paper of record, the New York Times, this enlightening article. I bought extra copies to send to Chandler’s grandma and all the cousins.

Prodtitutes have pimps for a reason, duh.

[quote]For a lady, selling one’s pussy is one of the oldest methods of gaining security and status.

...unless you're a dumb-ass skank who fails to do even the most basic level of due diligence before fucking a guy who wants you to serve as his sugar daddy. To anyone who actually *lives* in NYC, an ostensibly affluent gentleman's choice of a low-rent W knockoff in Brooklyn should've been the first hint something was amiss, followed quickly by his insistence that *she* set up the room reservation. (*Actual* sugar daddies have minions for that kind of thing.) She should've fled the fucking scene immediately after seeing his ghetto-ass clothes, but no, she fucked him AND made her friend join them in a menage!

All that said, the move in the bar -- getting the bartender to write down the guy's name -- was at least somewhat smart, though personally I would've grabbed his wallet, pulled out his driver's license and snapped a quick cell phone pic of it *before* fucking him. Btw considering even fucking Airbnb requires guests to supply a link to their Facebook profile, along with a driver's license photo, for identify-verification purposes, why the fuck isn't a "high-end" sugar daddy operation doing the same??

She should tell the guy's wife what he did. Don't even ask for money not to tell; that would be a crime: extortion. Just tell the wife what her husband is up to.

Whaddya bet this site is like Ashley Madison, largely a con game and loaded with fake profiles?

My one thought reading that article was "That is a rough-looking 25-year-old!"

That said, both the pimping site owner and the scamming NYU student/ NOT sugar daddy are way sleazier than any of the women involved.

Fucking whores, darlin'.

I am astonished that she allowed her name to be used - from this point forward, anyone googling her will come up with the NYT article. Future employers, and boyfriends, may not want to hire a former sex worker.

In my day, we called ‘em regulars!

In my day we has Rounds and it wasn't nearly as sleazy as what I'm reading about here.

R17, I presume it's not her real name, because even if girleen is stupid enough to use her real name I assume a NYT journalist is not stupid enough to let her.

But she really does seem to slow-witted for New York, letting her Johns scam her.

Link.

This article about a woman? Boring! Only sugar daddy/son is of any interest here.

The NYT does not make up names for people who wish to remain anonymous.

I found this tidbit in a CT newspaper, and the arrested Ms. Fowles is the same age and from the same state as the NYT article.

Chandler C. Fowles, 24, of 41 Crown Knoll Court was charged Sunday with driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs, failure to obey a traffic control signal and traveling unreasonably fast.

She was lucky she was able to track him down and get his ID but then it sort of petered out. At least tip off his wife.

She should have taken Queenie's advice in The Life:

This town ain't for you. Trouble is all you'll find.

Here in New York, it's a very short walk, before you're over the hill.

And I'm willin' to bet ya, if the perverts don't get ya, the pimps, they sho nuf will.

25 responses and nobody has mentioned that Chandler Fowles looks like a man! That ain't no woman!

[quote]She described “Jay/Ron” to the bartender, who agreed to take note of the actual name on the man’s credit card, or to ask for his I.D. if he ordered a drink and paid in cash.

There's one bartender looking for a job. Nobody is going to patronize a place where the bartender has loose lips.

This is why whores need pimps

The story is bizarre. The married (with kids) man tricked two women into giving him a threesome...and even got them to pay $200 for a hotel room for the tryst. She should not have spent a cent of her own money. Not on the hotel, not even on a blowout. Bad enough she let herself get scammed, but then she dragged her friend into being scammed, too. What kind of rich guy needs to use paypal; wouldn't he have plenty of cash? Also, a truly rich exec probably doesn't even know how to use paypal, since he'd have his minions do all that stuff for him.

I'm glad she shared her story, though. It might prevent other women and men from being too trusting. Maybe a writer will contact her about developing a movie screenplay or sitcom episode about her experience.

R25 “like Fleetwood”?

Is this story from 20 years ago? She does NOT look like she is 25, more like pushing $50. I wish the article didn't try to justify the high cost of living in NYC as the catalyst that drove her to prostitution. How about a lifetime of bad decisions and financial illiteracy as the cause?

R26 or anyone else, can you post a pic of the whore? I reached my NYT limit for the month.

I thought this was going to be a story about Dylan Geick! With his Columbia email he can get better placement in the ads.

The caption beside this photo says "Chandler Fowles, in an undated personal photo."

I loved being in Sugar Babies. I tapped my little heart out eight times a week and got standing ovations. Yeah, sometimes Mickey Rooney showed up drunk, but hey, I was getting a steady paycheck!

R34 no way that person is their 20s.

Thanks for uploading the pic.

I szw Sugar Babies on BROADWAY with Ann Millar and Mickey Roney and LOVED IT!

You know what I have to say about this...

[quote]The caption beside this photo says "Chandler Fowles, in an undated personal photo."

Even her photo remains dateless. Bah-dah-dum!

[QUOTE]Her degree in art history and fine arts from Eastern Connecticut State University wasn’t helping her land any job worth sticking around for

So many desperate low skilled, millennial women are willing to sleeping with guys just to have an apartment to stay in. This is quite a common arrangement on Craigslist. I have a 28 year old cousin who has been doing that for years. Men, women, it doesn't matter as long as they let her stay in their apartment rent free in exchange for sex. As her looks have declined so has the quality of "roomies" and apartments. Like this Fowles woman, my cousin looks late 30s not late 20s. Whorin' ages a gal.

[quote]So many desperate low skilled, millennial women are willing to sleeping with guys just to have an apartment to stay in.

Is living the Carrie Bradshaw life in NYC worth it?

I've actually known a few women who have done this. One married a foreign guy, the exchange was getting him US Citizenship for her to have a place to live in NYC.

I'm amazed that she put her real name and photo out there with this. The culture of oversharing is real, guys.

When I was in my 20s, broke and living in NYC everyone my age had roommates. I knew plenty of people in their 40s with roommates. Now the trend is "co-living" which you do through with a broker to land a spot in a fully furnished and equipped apartment with one or two other people. But you're also paying a lot of money for amenities including housekeeping. I shared a studio apartment, had no phone or cable, took advantage of free food whenever it was available and had a part-time job evenings and weekends on top of my entry-level job. I was broke and exhausted but was having the time of my life. When you are young you can easily work all those hours and still go out and have fun. By the third promotion I was able to quit the 2nd job but still lived cheaply. I didn't live alone until I was 40. Even when I was completely broke, I never borrowed from my family and never had to prostitute myself.

I've never understood the taboo against transactional sex in this country and I support the legalisation of prostitution. However, I know her type. In a few years she will go wailing to the media claiming that she didn't really "consent " to these encounters because of the financial stress she was under. That she wasn't an adult but a "young girl "too naive to understand the gravity of her choices. I have seen this play out too many times. Sheltered suburban girl goes through a promiscuous (or in her case whorish ) phase, regrets it,and then creates a narrative of child like helplessness and innocence ruined by lustful men.

r45 - Brett Kavanaugh on Christine Blasey Ford

Whore

Prozzie.

R46 Actually, I support Professor Ford and was not referring to cases of actual coerced abuse.

The Russian versions have it so much worse. And they're considered old by the time they're 22. The story about the girl in this article is really quite sad.

[quote]The story about the girl in this article is really quite sad.

I only think it's sad in that she doesn't seem to be smart and there's nobody to help her. It sounds like she can't afford NYC and hasn't been able to find work that pays, so maybe she should choose a less stressful location?

They call the men who aren’t actually rich enough for a mistress “Splenda Daddies.”

Imagine sitting down for the evening and opening the NYT only to find out your daughter's a whore

There is a difference between being a mistress of kept boy and being a whore.

or r53 your grandma read it? Favorite school teacher? Potential romantic partner? Future employer? Not a smart thing. What does she get out of this? Like I said, she seems to have a history of making bad decisions (going into debt for an Art History degree from Eastern CT State?!)

R53 I'm sure they already know about Speshul Snowflaykes job choice. Millenials share everything with everybody.

R51 - I was referring to the Russian girl in the Daily Beast article I linked. The girl in NYC was just stupid. Some of those girls never really had prospects and life and face bleak futures after 23 or 24.

Girlfriend's punching above her weight. Nude dancer is more par with her face, er I mean skill set.

Whatever possessed her to use her real name? Did she assume that the NYT would create a pseudonym? Is she going to try to sue them for not protecting her identity, claiming that she received guarantees from the author?

She looks like a two-bit meth whore from Florida

Sadly, r60, this is probably her next stop.

But only for white women and men?

She gave her real name and photo?!?!!??

These dumb girls think they should be dripping with diamonds and driving Ferraris, married to hedge fund managers. They’re idiots. Realistically, they should be living in a split level with their drywall-installer husbands and answering phones for a medical office, driving a Subaru.

They could have a comfortable life somewhere, being completely average. But somehow they all think they’re too good for that.

PROSTITUTION WHORE!

Dissss-gusting! Phooey!

Gavone cunt!

Prostitutes have been getting stiffed (pun intended) by their johns forEVER. Yet, somehow, when this blonde suburbanite makes a tactical error that no hard-working "lady of the evening" would make, she gets a sympathetic feature article from the newspaper of record. She met a man at a pre-determined place and time for the purpose of having sex. In the process, she also scheduled a friend to show up at a pre-determined place and time for the purpose of having sex. So she's both a pimp and a prostitute. I'm not getting into the legalities of this - I just think that if the NYT is going to run an article about the poor little white girl scammed by a total fucking sleazeball, they should at least report it correctly. This shouldn't happen to anyone, but I will guarantee that the NYT never covered this when it was the meth-head down the block selling $20 blowjobs to score her next fix who got shoved out of a car so the john could get away without paying.

R66 I agree with you a hundred percent. One thing that I consistently notice in the American media is the over the top deification of waspy suburban girls, and the demand that any complaints or concerns they have in their lives take automatic precedence over everyone else's. Change the ethnicity or class or gender of this person and you better believe the New York Times wouldn't give two fucks. Frankly though, I already gave up on the nyt over their pathetic, Hilary e mail obsessed coverage of the 2016 election.

Bump

This is not unlike the Golddiggers and their rich GOPs (Grand Ole Provider). The women all had to sell their jewels/and or get a job when the stock market crashed.

"Eastern Connecticut State University"

Oh my sides!

This is just depressing

R41, it's not just "millennials" - there have always been women like this

[quote] I will guarantee that the NYT never covered this when it was the meth-head down the block selling $20 blowjobs to score her next fix who got shoved out of a car so the john could get away without paying.

So true...when is poor Wendy going to get her New York Times headline?

This is a fake story. The NYT is making it seem like this is some new trend but it is just a threesome gone bad that involved one very stupid woman.

Didn't this kind of happen to Christie Brinkley with her 2nd husband? She thought she landed some rich guy and it turned out he really wasn't? She divorced him real quick.

R74 Brinkley has always been a nasty piece of work

Didn't Brinkley have money of her own?

R64 that’s all true but there are plenty of dumb trashy shits like her who do land the rich hedge fund husbands and don’t have to resort to whoring out in the open. But what makes them any better? They’re whores too but without the societal stigma.

Wow. She wants to maintain her white privilege while being a whore...wow.

R78 yep. And the New York Times has no problem indulging her, do they? Though I suspect that it's not just white privilege at work here, it's also class privilege. Can you imagine some poor whore from some rural, depressed town in Ohio getting a feature spread like this? Lol. New York Times is a pathetic, classist joke.

The Times lost its prestige r79, for me anyway, ages ago. They should shut down while they are ahead. Lying journalists, slanted coverage. Done.

Oh dear! What type of lifestyle is this?!

R80, give me names of these lying reporters and their lies please,so we can check out your claim, What? You don't have that? Just regurgitating that same 'lock her up' - type chant I see. Go away.

Newspapers are dying and it has nothing to do with the “lock her up” crowd. Hasn’t the Times had more than one reporter discovered to have falsified their stories?

That was an episode of "One Day At A Time," literally. Remember when Julie moved out, and got a flat with a mooching roommate, who dated men for a living. Then Julie started to do the same, till Ann reminds her she moved out to be independent, but is becoming dependent on her dates to live.

R83 yes, there have been a few cases. Even their star columnist, Maureen Dowd, has been caught repeatedly fabricating quotes and taking other out of context. Yet, the vile bitch still has a job.

But the predator has been nabbed, according to the writer of this story and Fowles’ twitter.

Isn't that arrangement essentially prostitution? If he was nabbed it was because he was a "john" so I would think she would catch heat herself.

Update

I’ve reached my limit of free articles. Can you post the text here? I can’t believe this got a follow up article!!!

I think both the man and the women who went on the website are not very smart people.

Cliff notes version: Two other women corroborated Chandler's story and the guy is banned from the site. Don't think they will see any of their money back. One girl is a student from another country who can't get a work visa, and she was trying to pay off student debt. Desperate people doing desperate things and being taken advantage of.

Any gay dataloungers been a Sugar Daddy or Sugar baby in one of these arrangements?

Holy shit you didn't need to paste the entire article. You could've just linked to it, which strangely wasn't done until later.

True r93 but I admire the effort all the same.

R93, why would you complain about someone taking the extra effort to paste the entire article? Jesus Christ. Do you also complain when the ATM gives you an extra $20? My New York Times paywall is already up, and I’m glad I got to read the entire story.