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The Magicians Season 4

The Magicians Season 4 Release Date, Sneak Peek, and More

Exclusive: 'The Magicians' reveals fishy new creature in season 4 first look

To celebrate Fall TV and our huge Fall TV Preview issue that’s out in September, EW is bringing you 50 scoops…

by Anonymousreply 29307/21/2019

The Magicians Season 4 Sneak Peek

The Magicians Season 4 Sneak Peek

Don't forget to give us a thumbs up and a comment to help us bring you more content in future. Don't forget to subscribe to get all of the latest promos. Sub...

by Anonymousreply 110/14/2018

'The Magicians' Spoilers: Season 4 Cast Q&A

Magicians Stars Tease Bloody Season 4, the Monster's Evil... Tickle Plot?

The Magicians is upping the gore quotient considerably in Season 4: “I spend 50 percent of the time covered in blood,” star Jason Ralph told Kimberly Roots during a visit to TVLine&#821…

by Anonymousreply 210/14/2018

The Magicians season 4 will premiere on Wednesday, January 23 at 9/8c on SYFY, winter being familiar territory for the series.

by Anonymousreply 310/14/2018

The Magicians Is Coming to Comics Next Year

The Magicians Is Coming to Comics Next Year

"The Magicians" will expand its universe with a new comic under the BOOM! Studios banner.

by Anonymousreply 410/14/2018

Is this the show with the edgy "fluid" and bisexual characters but no gay male characters?

by Anonymousreply 510/14/2018

R5 Yes

by Anonymousreply 610/14/2018

THE MAGICIANS Season 4 Official Trailer (HD) Syfy Fantasy Series

THE MAGICIANS Season 4 Official Trailer (HD) Syfy Fantasy Series

SUBSCRIBE for more TV Trailers HERE: https://goo.gl/TL21HZ Get your first look at Season 4 of The Magicians. Returning to SYFY January 23. Season 4 Returns 2...

by Anonymousreply 710/27/2018

Elliot is gay. He only has sex with his wife out of royal duty.

It’s a great show.

by Anonymousreply 810/27/2018

R8 he discovered he was bi after fucking his wife.

I didn't really like season three - the whole turning off magic thing was a bit silly.

by Anonymousreply 910/27/2018

R9 I think he enjoyed the sex but was still totally into guys, he even added a husband to their marriage because it’s dick he wants. And S3 shows he’s totally in love with Q. If anything Q is the bi one on the show

I think S4 will be fun, seeing them rediscover who they are.

by Anonymousreply 1010/27/2018

Seeing Jason Ralph at the Golden Globes (w/ girlfriend Rachel Brosnahan) reminded me that "The Magicians" returns soon -- glad to see the DL is already on it!

by Anonymousreply 1101/06/2019

May we presume Quentin's annoying, whiny best friend won't get killed off? At least she isn't bring every scene down with her rape trauma anymore.

by Anonymousreply 1201/06/2019

I know I am in the minority, but I found the book to be such a chore to read that I didn't even consider watching the show.

I'm actually pretty surprised at how popular the books are. While I don't necessarily like them, I can usually understand why certain genre books are popular.

by Anonymousreply 1301/06/2019

R13, the series is very different than the books.

by Anonymousreply 1401/06/2019

R13 it took me two tries to get through the first book. The second half of it was much better than the first. The third book slogged on and wasn’t very good plot wise but I grew to like the authors style by the end.

The show is so much more fun.

by Anonymousreply 1501/07/2019

The annoying head librarian is back.

by Anonymousreply 1601/26/2019

I so wanted to like the show. I watched season one and even though it certainly wasn't my favorite show I kept watching since there really aren't that many interesting gay characters on tv now, and I generally like urban fantasy. Still, on season two I couldn't take it anymore and dropped the show. I decided to read the book instead thinking it must be way better since so many people seem to love it.

I usually read books as audiobooks these days, while working and doing chores, and it didn't take long to realize the first novel wasn't any better than the show. If possible it was actually even worse since at some point I realized I didn't like ANY of the characters in the book, not a single one. It's a total mystery why people seem to love it. I assume the author was in his teens when writing the novel since that's the level of the maturity we're dealing with here. I read tons of garbage so it's not like I only read Booker Prize winners but I guess the Magicians world just isn't for me. There's something suffocating and tedious about it. It's like the author hates all the characters and is deliberately making them annoying as hell. I also suspect he might have created them based on the people he knows, and is having a revenge on them this way. The book actually reads like it was written by a vengeful teen girl with a very closed mindset.

by Anonymousreply 1701/26/2019

I really liked the fourth-season premiere. I mean, Alice's cell mate was Santa Claus!

by Anonymousreply 1801/28/2019

I have no idea what R17 is talking about. The TV show is excellent... one of the best shows on TV. It's utterly gripping, original, inventive, fascinating, with great characters and stories.

I loved the premiere too. (there was some discussion in the other magicians thread left over from season 3 I think)

by Anonymousreply 1901/28/2019

Episode two tomorrow!

by Anonymousreply 2001/29/2019

Holy shit what a cliff-hanger.

by Anonymousreply 2101/31/2019

Season 3 is the best so far, hope S4 will be better

by Anonymousreply 2201/31/2019

".... can I have Elliot back?"

by Anonymousreply 2301/31/2019

Will they go on another quest (imho the previous season was the best so far with kick-ass Margo)? Something about Dean Fogg's demand for Todd to document his last day screamed quest for me.

by Anonymousreply 2402/01/2019

Well, they just broke the spell, so Dean Fogg is back, no?

I wonder if they're going to drag defeating the evil inhabiting Elliot out for the whole season, or if they'll wrap that up in the first half and do something else the second half....

by Anonymousreply 2502/01/2019

Elliot will die if that thing leaves his body :(

by Anonymousreply 2602/01/2019

I've loved Margo every season so far... and still love her in season four!

by Anonymousreply 2702/02/2019

Todd (Adam DiMarco) is so fucking hot. He's my favorite character on the show. The schlub, Josh, is my least favorite.

by Anonymousreply 2802/02/2019

One of the best shows on television. Hated the book.

by Anonymousreply 2902/02/2019

"Todd... take off your shirt and bring me a sandwich".

Hell yeah.

by Anonymousreply 3002/02/2019

Quelliot FTW

by Anonymousreply 3102/02/2019

R28 🍑

Adam DiMarco on Instagram: “call me by your name and i’ll call you by mine @seandepner ?????????????????????? ????: @jojolsky”

9,561 Likes, 142 Comments - Adam DiMarco (@adamdimarco) on Instagram: “call me by your name and i’ll call you by mine @seandepner ?????????????????????? ????: @jojolsky”

by Anonymousreply 3202/03/2019

R32, is he Gay? too bad the Oliver is ugly..

by Anonymousreply 3302/03/2019

I get a major gay vibe from Todd. Though I'm sure his character is gay, the actor really pings.

by Anonymousreply 3402/03/2019

Me too.

by Anonymousreply 3502/04/2019

Really late edit, but meant to say *I'm sure his character *ISN'T* gay

by Anonymousreply 3602/04/2019

Todd/Adam has a well-rounded ass.

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by Anonymousreply 3702/04/2019

Would love to see it out of the pants.

by Anonymousreply 3802/04/2019

I always find Quentin attractive, even though he is actually not that good looking, also not tall. I still don't know why I like him. lol.

Talking about Quentin, in the books, Quentin is actually depicted to be quite tall.

by Anonymousreply 3902/04/2019

^^^ J's a manlet. A sexy manlet with massive hairy forearms.

by Anonymousreply 4002/05/2019

Fuck a duck, was QQ sporting a tantalizing moose knuckle when they were bargaining with the fatass forger, or was I imagining things?

by Anonymousreply 4102/08/2019

Hale Appleman is so sexy.

by Anonymousreply 4202/16/2019

Season 3 was a way to redeem Jules. There is no character on this show I hated more than her. The Godess plot was obviously planned so we would like her again. Little did I know Alice would take her place so I would have another character to hate instead, yay! I honestly wouldn't care if she died at this point, just like I didn't care about Julia if she died after getting raped. Yes, what happened to her was awful but the depressing self pity shtick got old fast. Now Alice is the one who is fucking mental. Actually, she has been ever since she came back from being a niffin. That small window where Alice had died and Quentin hadn't brought her back yet was the best part about season 3. I hope they kill her off. She's insufferable. The only female characters I like are Kady and Margo.

by Anonymousreply 4302/16/2019

I want an orgy with the male cast because they are sexy as fuck.

by Anonymousreply 4402/16/2019

r32 Is that Viktor from Deadly Class in the photo with him?

And yes, his ass is amazing. As are Bacchus' thighs (RIP). We've had lengthy discussions on reddit about both.

by Anonymousreply 4502/16/2019

Elliot and Todd need to fuck.

by Anonymousreply 4602/16/2019

Between this show and Deadly Class, SyFy is suddenly relevant again. And damn, all the sexy dudes in both shows.

by Anonymousreply 4702/16/2019

Eliot needs a new love interest.

by Anonymousreply 4802/17/2019

Considering that he is currently dead, Eliot probably has more important concerns at the moment.

by Anonymousreply 4902/17/2019

Of course this show had to kill off the only gay character, because why not.

by Anonymousreply 5002/17/2019

r50 Elliot? But people die and come back all the time on this show. They'll find a way or they wouldn't have shown him at the end of the most recent episode.

by Anonymousreply 5102/17/2019

Elliot is not dead, did you watch the latest episode?

by Anonymousreply 5202/17/2019

^^ Seconding R52 -- the reveal at the end of this week's episode = he's not at all dead, just banished by the monster to some parallel (inner?) dimension from which, presumably, he'll eventually be rescued.

by Anonymousreply 5302/17/2019

We already knew that the dead in The Magicians' universe live on in another place. That doesn't make them not dead.

by Anonymousreply 5402/17/2019

He'll be back fully, I'm sure. Now that the gods are in play, there's not much that can't be undone.

by Anonymousreply 5502/17/2019

I wonder what the beast was after... he found it, didn't he? I feel like I'm missing something.

by Anonymousreply 5602/19/2019

Quentin is just so damn adorable. I have such a crush on him.

by Anonymousreply 5702/20/2019

Loved the kiss between Elliot and Quentin

by Anonymousreply 5802/20/2019

r58 That was great and completely unexpected.

I'm going to miss the sassy maenad.

by Anonymousreply 5902/21/2019

This new episode was SO good. The lack of gayness has been my main issue with the show since it premiered. I feel like this new episode made up for it. Also, we finally got an episode dedicated to Eliot, which he deserved. It'll be interesting to see where it goes, maybe we'll finally get a legit love triangle with Alice, Quentin and Eliot.

by Anonymousreply 6002/21/2019

One thing I didn't like about the episode though was Josh and Margo. I just don't see them together, not because Margo is way out of his league and they would never happen in real life (which is true), it's just that Margo seems to let a part of herself go when she's with him. I prefer badass Margo, not the soft mess we saw in this new episode. I want Margo to be happy, don't get me wrong, but I don't think Josh will make her happy. He's not the partner she needs. I feel like she was desperately looking for a new partner after she thought she had lost Eliot and Josh for a moment filled that void.

by Anonymousreply 6102/21/2019

I lost interest when they shut off magic.

Too many other things on my watch list to go back to it any time soon.

Here's a thought, TV writers and producers: don't create a series about magic and then have an entire season where there isn't any.

And yeah the "Elliot is bi" thing pissed me off too. Genre series always try to earn their diversity points with "pansexuals" and hot lesbians, but rarely have the balls to show gay men. Fuck that.

by Anonymousreply 6202/21/2019

r62 Yeah, I hated that no-magic arc. Still do now that it's rationed. But the gods entered the scene so I'm intrigued.

I like the show and look forward to each new episode, however the one thing that has been bothering me more and more is that I have little recollection of the particular events that happened last season, because so much happens in every episode and season. When Quentin was pissed with Alice this episode, I had no idea what exactly she had done to him in the previous season. Same for different reality Marina. It's all a bit too convoluted now. And remember the days of them first discovering Fillory? Feels like an eternity ago, even though it's actually only been three seasons ago. Don't get me wrong, those myriad of side quests are cute and funny and they actually [italic]are[/italic] the show at the end of the day, but you could write a tome about them three seasons in. I want a quiet moment with all of them together now and then, not just always in crisis mode.

by Anonymousreply 6302/21/2019

R62, now they have 'straight' Quenton being bi, so … kinda undoes your point.

R63, the show is a lot more comprehensible when binged, but yeah, I DO rely on the "previously on..." bit at the start to remind me of all the things they're going to reference in this episode.

by Anonymousreply 6402/21/2019

r64 See, I always skip those "Previously on..." bits out of habit, even though they're intended exactly for people like me. I'm my own worst enemy, aren't I?

by Anonymousreply 6502/21/2019

I love this show and am really surprised I’m into Eliot and Quentin together. I guess this is what the kids these days are calling “fluid”? They are very sweet together and I’ve never seen a gay romance in a fantasy setting like this.

I love Margo and her bitchy one liners. She was hilarious with Fen. I’m also very attracted to Penny. I like that everyone on this show is either super tall like Penny and Eliot, or tiny pocket people like Quentin and all the girls.

by Anonymousreply 6602/21/2019

Yes, R65, because they very carefully edit those things to help you 'get' all the references you need for the upcoming episode. Some of them are pretty long.

by Anonymousreply 6702/21/2019

Since when has Elliot been bi?

by Anonymousreply 6802/21/2019

Well he did have that threesome with Margo and Quentin. Seems like I'm the only one who isn't into that Queliot - pairing at all. I just don't buy it. To me, Quentin and Alice will always be OTP. Whatever happened to Eliots hot fiancé, the king of Loria, anyway?

by Anonymousreply 6902/22/2019

R64: It doesn't "undo" my point. It validates it.

These shows will show men as bi or "fluid," but never just gay. And even then the bulk of their sexual and romantic relationships will be with women. They took the only character who seemed clearly gay and put him in a mmf threesome, then married him off to a woman. That they turned straight quentin bi/fluid doesn't make up for that, sorry.

Please direct me to any scifi/genre series where a MAIN and MALE character is exclusively gay, and I'll eat my words.

Star Trek Discovery went there, and then killed one of the couple (Wilson Cruz) off before the first season even ended.

And they'll only do lesbian characters when they're fem and hot. It isn't progress. It's more of the same: wank material for straight guys.

And about the plots: they do get way too convoluted on this show. I binged 2 1/2 seasons and it's now been a year. I'm pretty sure I'd have no idea what was going on, and there is no way I'm going to start this show over from the beginning.

by Anonymousreply 7002/22/2019

[quote]Star Trek Discovery went there, and then killed one of the couple (Wilson Cruz) off before the first season even ended.

To be fair, he's back now and it's the only romantic arc of the second season so far. But yes, having him murdered in cold blood didn't look great at the time.

by Anonymousreply 7102/22/2019

Eliot is way more gay than bi. The threesome was the only way he could get Quentin into bed

by Anonymousreply 7202/22/2019

The threesome was the after-effect of some sort of spell and anyway Elliot and Margo didn't necessarily fuck - they could both have nailed Quentin.

by Anonymousreply 7302/22/2019

I loved the fact that Quentin was the one who proposed they give it a shot. Aside from that, I hope this kiss marked the end of their "will they won't they" arc. I want a stable relationship for Elliot and this ain't it.

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by Anonymousreply 7402/22/2019

R74 I saw a recent live stream with Hale on Instagram. He was really excited about Eliot and Quentin and said they were canon in the books. I think they will happen for real this time, not just as a MMF threesome or because they're high on drugs.

by Anonymousreply 7502/22/2019

[quote]To be fair, he's back now

What the hell do you mean "he's back now"? From the dead??

by Anonymousreply 7602/22/2019

r76 Yes, he was resurrected just last week.

by Anonymousreply 7702/22/2019

How the fuck. That makes me not want to watch Star Trek Discovery any more. What a fucking cheat.

by Anonymousreply 7802/22/2019

r78 It [italic]was[/italic] a cheat in a way, but his death allowed them to use the power of Gay Love (TM) to guide Discovery back home at the end of the first season. And it made for a beautiful emotional episode last week. So, on balance, I think it was worth it. Plus Culber is getting an interesting new arc of being confused in his new body, and his relationship with Stamets possibly being on the rocks because of it. At the end of the day, gay characters on that show are getting (organic) airtime, so I'm not complaining.

by Anonymousreply 7902/22/2019

Hale did an AMA yesterday, check it out:

Hi, this is Hale Appleman – I play Eliot and the Monster on The Magicians. Sorry I missed your recital. Ask Me Almost Anything!

Edit: I'm sad to day I must leave now, but maybe I'll come back another time and try to get to some of the questions I didnt' get to. Thanks...

by Anonymousreply 8002/23/2019

He was on Instagram Live too a couple of days ago. I wish I had recorded it. It was nice to hear his thoughts on Eliot and Quentin.

by Anonymousreply 8102/23/2019

r75 I don't know how to feel about that, honestly. Of course I'm not going to protest it but I don't want their romantic relationship - if it ever does happen properly - to be used as a device that makes Quentin realize how much he loves pussy/Alice after all. It wouldn't be worth it in the end.

by Anonymousreply 8202/23/2019

Are we not watching the same show? Eliot is clearly gay. His marriage to a woman showed how gay he is.

by Anonymousreply 8302/23/2019

R70 This is especially true of the new Sabrina. They made the two gay characters bi and involved with orgies with young witches.

This is what's so comical about so called "bi erasure." Bisexuality has always been the more preferable sexuality in television and in culture since the 20's.

Disgusting.

by Anonymousreply 8402/23/2019

R83 Especially since the marriage was completely arranged.

by Anonymousreply 8502/23/2019

I find it interesting that some viewers' obsession with labels keeps them from appreciating what's happening between Quentin and Eliot. It's like the world is going to end the moment they let go of this supposed natural order of black & white sexual identity.

by Anonymousreply 8602/23/2019

R86 Idiot bisexual

by Anonymousreply 8702/23/2019

R86 This is why no one likes you, you realize? Your "don't label me, I'm not soup" platitudes stop being interesting after about 2004.

[quote] the moment they let go of this supposed natural order of black & white sexual identity.

You clearly have no boundaries or respect for them. This is part of the entitled bisexual rape complex

by Anonymousreply 8802/23/2019

[quote]keeps them from appreciating what's happening between Quentin and Eliot

r86 What's happening between them is fan-fuelled wish fulfillment. Apart from that threesome (as a result of a spell) and them spending fifty years together (again, as a result of a spell), the show gave us no indication whatsoever that Quentin might be attracted to guys as well. Them ending up in a romantic relationship would be playing into that unhealthy myth among gay men that the straight guy will eventually get worn down and "give in" if only you pester him long enough, possibly through coercive and nefarious means. The second gross thing it would perpetuate is that a friendship between a straight guy and a gay guy alone is never good enough and needs an upgrade in the form of a romance. Fuck that. They have a beautiful friendship going on, so I really hope the writers don't go there again.

r84 Sabrina is fucking outrageous. Three gay guys on the writing staff in addition to the gay showrunner, and there's not one gay male character on the show. Male homosexuality is used as the butt of a joke several times, and the one gay guy gets possessed, tortured and degraded horribly, and then murdered - also horribly, of course - for his "perversion". A character then casually suggests he might have been trans all long. I love the show but what the fuck exactly were those homos doing in the writers' room while the trans guy and the fraus were presenting this?

I'm just getting worked up again so I'll stop. I apologize for the detour.

by Anonymousreply 8902/23/2019

R89 Yup. The show seeks to challenge and reverse Christian dogma in every sort of way yet still manages to plant the idea that the gay character is rife for possession because he's a "sinner."

Also the "lesbian" character (Susie) called a DYKE throughout the series is actually trans and meant to be a boy, as affirmed by the blind psychic character that can see she clearly has a masculine spirit "trapped in the wrong body."

The trans lobby has its homophobic hooks in everything. This isn't progress.

by Anonymousreply 9002/23/2019

[quote] [R86] This is why no one likes you, you realize?

How mature. What's next, you inviting other posters to your sleepover and letting me know I am not invited, because I'm not popular enough? I don't give a fuck if you like me. And I especially don't give a fuck if you like yourself which clearly you don't since you come off as bitter and defensive.

[quote] You clearly have no boundaries or respect for them. This is part of the entitled bisexual rape complex.

That is quite rich coming from someone who uses the word rape so casually. I guess only certain words matter to you?

by Anonymousreply 9102/23/2019

[quote] Them ending up in a romantic relationship would be playing into that unhealthy myth among gay men that the straight guy will eventually get worn down and "give in" if only you pester him long enough, possibly through coercive and nefarious means.

God forbid that a perceived straight fictional character questions his total straightness. It would be the end of the world.

by Anonymousreply 9202/23/2019

[quote] Them ending up in a romantic relationship would be playing into that unhealthy myth among gay men that the straight guy will eventually get worn down and "give in" if only you pester him long enough, possibly through coercive and nefarious means.

For ages gay characters had storylines where they struggle with going straight for a woman at least once (for example Steven on Dynasty, Ian from UK's Shameless). "Unhealthy myths" create drama and sometimes character development.

by Anonymousreply 9302/23/2019

[quote] [R84] Sabrina is fucking outrageous. Three gay guys on the writing staff in addition to the gay showrunner, and there's not one gay male character on the show.

What a self righteous comment. Ambrose doesn't count because he isn't the right kind of gay (since he identifies as pansexual or is it because he's black?)?

It proves my point at r86 of people being so hung up on labels that they get so worked up over such trivial matters.

[quote] I'm just getting worked up again so I'll stop.

Please don't. You make your side look like the unhinged one million moms they are.

by Anonymousreply 9402/23/2019

[quote]What's happening between them is fan-fuelled wish fulfillment. Apart from that threesome (as a result of a spell) and them spending fifty years together (again, as a result of a spell), the show gave us no indication whatsoever that Quentin might be attracted to guys as well.

Sorry R89. No, it's not.

It started in the books when Lev Grossman wrote a scene where Quentin watches Eliot give a boy a blowjob and wonders why Eliot hasn't asked to do that to him. There's a couple of other moments that could be ambiguous afterwards.

Lev confirmed back in 2016, in an interview on video, that yes. Quentin was bisexual in the books. He confirmed, that was why that moment was there. (He also leans towards women.)

That's a bit different than JK saying Dumbledore is gay with zero supporting evidence in the text.

The producers of the show also said back in Season 1 that Quentin is bisexual.

They're not real clear at explaining things but that's just how they do it, even with Eliot. (Lev also intentionally wrote the books that way.)

So far: Eliot is bisexual but leans towards men. Quentin is bisexual but leans towards women.

Bisexual is the new "hot lesbian on a tv show." You see it on Schitt's Creek with David's character being "pansexual." You see the same thing on Sabrina. It's here too. It's also on "The 100."

by Anonymousreply 9502/23/2019

[quote] What a self righteous comment. Ambrose doesn't count because he isn't the right kind of gay (since he identifies as pansexual or is it because he's black?)?

Gay is not an umbrella term. Men that have sex with women are not gay.

No wonder you sound like a 16 year old from myspace with your whole "labels are for soup!" schtick. You have NO idea what words actually mean!

by Anonymousreply 9602/24/2019

I'm kinda glad we get more Marina. Seeing her outsmart Fogg kinda makes me jizz. I also want to see how she and Kady are gonna go after one another.

by Anonymousreply 9702/24/2019

r96, myspace? Is that still a thing for you? Now I just pity you.

by Anonymousreply 9802/24/2019

Just because a gay man is forced to sleep with a woman does not make him bi. What about all the gay kings or princes who had to marry women and procreate? Are they bi because their penises touched vaginal walls?

by Anonymousreply 9902/24/2019

R98 Not as much as I pity you, Aedan. I know you're our resident FTM homophobe obsessed with gay men while simultaneously denying homosexuality exists.

by Anonymousreply 10002/24/2019

Homosexuality does exist as do heterosexuality, bisexuality / pansexuality. The difference between you and me is that you try to make one superior and dismiss the others as inferior.

by Anonymousreply 10102/24/2019

R101 I really don't. I pointed out to you that so called "pansexuals" are not gay, as gay is not an umbrella term. There is no "right kind of gay," but heterosexuals and bisexuals are not any type of gay.

by Anonymousreply 10202/24/2019

Gay men have been having sex with women for centuries. Doesn't make them any less gay.

by Anonymousreply 10302/24/2019

R103 Nice try, but as you already said the character is "pansexual" I think you can give it up now. The queering of sexual boundaries and orientations must end.

by Anonymousreply 10402/24/2019

I'm not the one who said that R104

by Anonymousreply 10502/24/2019

I think Jason Ralph is so damn cute. Hope he's hung!

by Anonymousreply 10602/24/2019

The scene of Margo refusing to cry and mourn for Eliot was heartbreaking. Her lips quivering was a nice touch. Call me Mary! but Summer Bishil should get at least an Emmy nomination for her performance as Margo.

by Anonymousreply 10702/24/2019

r107 Same. I had no idea where that scene was heading but then she said "I won't be able to stop if I start crying now", and it hit me like a truck. Great writing and acting.

by Anonymousreply 10802/24/2019

I loved the grayish atmosphere in this series, there is no absolute white and black, no absolute good or evil, even when it comes to sexuality, it's fluid.

by Anonymousreply 10902/25/2019

So Alice finally got her redemption arc, that last scene of her was amazing. Also, Marina has a girlfriend. lol

by Anonymousreply 11002/28/2019

Not sure it's a redemption arc, given apparently everything goes to shit next week.

by Anonymousreply 11102/28/2019

I love how it was pointed out that magic (like drugs and acohol) is what you make of it. And call me Mary! but the last moments of Alice taking some time to watch the children play warmed my little, black heart.

by Anonymousreply 11202/28/2019

Holy shit, that was Camryn Manheim. I thought she played a nurse on Chicago Hope or E.R., but nope, that isn't in her credits. Who am I confusing her with? Anyway, I do remember Camryn from Will&Grace and the unfortunate Extant.

Marina has a girlfriend! The beloved cat, the anger... it all makes sense now.

The librarians needs to be fucking killed one by one, and the Library burned down and its grounds salted. And I say that as a librarian. But gosh, those fuckers on this show are just the worst!

by Anonymousreply 11302/28/2019

R113, she was on "LA Law" as a lesbian lawyer with a ton of weird earrings, right?

by Anonymousreply 11402/28/2019

r114 No, but thanks for pointing me in the right direction; she was on The Practice! For some reason, I was thinking of a medical drama, instead of a legal one.

You were spot on about the earrings, though, which are firmly etched in my memory as well. I do recall her character being a lesbian, though I can't find any confirmation about that online. Can't believe that show is considered too old / not important enough to have its own wiki. It felt so modern and cutting edge at the time. Like HTGAWM before HTGAWM.

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[quote]so modern and cutting edge at the time

Having said that, just how basic does she look in that photo? Yeesh. Pre-HD costume designers had it so much easier. Compare that to the fabrics and the prints Baranski wears on The Good Fight and it feels more like half a century has passed since then.

by Anonymousreply 11602/28/2019

Seriously can't wait until we get gay Elliot back.

by Anonymousreply 11702/28/2019

R117, Elliot is not gay, he is bi both in the book and movie.

by Anonymousreply 11803/01/2019

There is no movie, and to call TV Elliot "Bi" is ridiculous. He's gay.

by Anonymousreply 11903/01/2019

Fuck off R118

by Anonymousreply 12003/01/2019

He's bi. Get over it.

by Anonymousreply 12103/01/2019

He's all gay now.

by Anonymousreply 12203/01/2019

The beautiful Adam DiMarco

Adam DiMarco on Instagram: “flowers were for pansies // ????:@alisonboulier”

9,652 Likes, 85 Comments - Adam DiMarco (@adamdimarco) on Instagram: “flowers were for pansies // ????:@alisonboulier”

by Anonymousreply 12303/01/2019

r123 Makes me angry how pretty he is. Like when a baby animal is so adorable you just want to slap it.

by Anonymousreply 12403/01/2019

Camryn Manheim has a cute teenage son who might be family.

I can’t believe the Practice is that old that people don’t know about it either. I remember hating her on that show though, and her too long thin hair. She was adorable on the Magicians though.

Oh and Eliot is gay.

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by Anonymousreply 12503/01/2019

Can we please put this stupid discussion to rest. Eliot ist mostly gay, according to Lev Grossman. Also, Hale said the following regardign Eliot's marriage to Fen: "I would never deny that Eliot is largely a homosexual," Appleman said. "I want to do nothing to undermine that Eliot is a queer character and a hero at that. That's important to me, that's important to the fandom, that's important to the legacy that [author] Lev Grossman created."

The Magicians Stars Chat About Chaos, Bacon Fingers And What's Next For Season Three

If the first season of Syfy's The Magicians was about our heroes learning how to master magic, the second season proved they can't control crap and everyone is doomed. On the heels of the amazing finale, we chatted with some of the stars about what the hell happened this season, and what's around the corner. Spoilers:...

by Anonymousreply 12603/02/2019

I loved how the "Famous people from Modesto" jar candles in the shop were just George Lucas, Timothy Olyphant, and James Marsters over and over again. Poor Jeremy Renner and Marcia Lucas.

r126 Thanks for that quote, although seeing "homosexual" used as a noun outside of DL always makes me cringe.

by Anonymousreply 12703/02/2019

I don't understand how someone can watch the Magicians and think Eliot is bisexual. He may have been bisexual in the books, but the TV show says otherwise.

by Anonymousreply 12803/03/2019

r123 He was guesting on Charmed last night. Gorgeous, gorgeous guy.

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by Anonymousreply 12903/04/2019

I just wish he would come out. R129

by Anonymousreply 13003/04/2019

I wish I could just tie him up and edge him until he does, r130.

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by Anonymousreply 13103/04/2019

Jason Ralph >> Todd

by Anonymousreply 13203/04/2019

^^ In what world, America? In what world?!

by Anonymousreply 13303/04/2019

Just watched the new episode, Penny with suit and his supervisor's supervisor is hot lol

by Anonymousreply 13403/06/2019

Almost didn't recognize Chris Brochu. Still seems gay.

by Anonymousreply 13503/06/2019

Interesting episode. Basically the entire thing was a Penny Job Interview.

by Anonymousreply 13603/06/2019

Todd is so underrated. Wish the show would give him more to do. He has excellent chemistry with Eliot too. If Eliot doesn't end up with Quentin my vote is that he ends up with Todd.

by Anonymousreply 13703/06/2019

What the hell was with all those cute guys being introduced in this episode? There were too many to count, so I just went with an ethnic one.

"Jesus lizard-fucking Christ!" - I love no more bleeping on this show. Though I feel like the twists and turns with Margo's destiny lizard are getting ridiculous.

I also love the head librarian's elephant pants. I feel like they're the spiritual successor of the beloved caftan. Only, you know, modern and more socially acceptable to wear outside of one's home. And that broad looks amazing in them.

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by Anonymousreply 13803/07/2019

I thought “super straight white guy” Penny was lecturing was Andrew Rannellis

by Anonymousreply 13903/07/2019

Rannells is too big to be a tertiary character on this show.

by Anonymousreply 14003/07/2019

True. The actor still seems gay to me which made all the “cis hetero bro” stuff kind of funny

by Anonymousreply 14103/07/2019

Chris Brochu is gay and you can't change my mind.

by Anonymousreply 14203/07/2019

I dunno, he looked and acted the part of a straight white dudebros pretty well, imho.

by Anonymousreply 14303/07/2019

I was struggling to place his voice the entire episode and then it hit me - he sounded exactly like Alex Karpovsky from Girls.

by Anonymousreply 14403/07/2019

R137, Ew no, he is an irrelevant character.

by Anonymousreply 14503/07/2019

But he's cute R145

by Anonymousreply 14603/07/2019

Todd is so damn cute R137. He is a touch more masc in The Order on Netflix, but that show is HORRIBLE.

by Anonymousreply 14703/08/2019

So you actually tried watching that show, r147?

by Anonymousreply 14803/08/2019

Chris Brochu has previously played a gay witch.

by Anonymousreply 14903/09/2019

Another 'filler' episode...but next episode looks promising though.

by Anonymousreply 15003/14/2019

Come on, that "Napster" joke was great.

Don't mind me, I'll be over here rubbing eggs into my temples.

by Anonymousreply 15103/14/2019

This show needs more Todd/Adam DiMarco, especially if they put him in pants that can barely contain his ass like they did a couple of episodes ago.

Adam DiMarco on Instagram: “call me by your name and i’ll call you by mine @seandepner ?????????????????????? ????: @jojolsky”

12.7k Likes, 191 Comments - Adam DiMarco (@adamdimarco) on Instagram: “call me by your name and i’ll call you by mine @seandepner ?????????????????????? ????: @jojolsky”

by Anonymousreply 15203/15/2019

I need one of those sex voodoo dolls to give Todd/Adam DiMarco orgasms from afar. And yes, I realize that's a form of sexual assault, I'm just joking.

by Anonymousreply 15303/15/2019

[QUOTE] Can we please put this stupid discussion to rest. Eliot ist mostly gay, according to Lev Grossman. Also, Hale said the following regardign Eliot's marriage to Fen: "I would never deny that Eliot is largely a homosexual," Appleman said. "I want to do nothing to undermine that Eliot is a queer character and a hero at that. That's important to me, that's important to the fandom, that's important to the legacy that [author] Lev Grossman created."

That's a lot of words to basically say "Look, I just don't want the character to be a total fag! Give me my diversity points and shut up!"

by Anonymousreply 15403/15/2019

Alice is very Marilyn Monroesque

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by Anonymousreply 15503/15/2019

Did that crazy dragon lady lie about the baby being Quentin's? I'm confused.

by Anonymousreply 15603/15/2019

It's not Quentin's baby

by Anonymousreply 15703/15/2019

R153 Todd is so underrated. They need to give him more screen time. I don't get why they promoted Josh to a series regular but not Todd. Makes no sense. I'd much rather watch more of Todd. Josh's constant weed references are stupid too. I really want Todd with Eliot if this thing with Q doesn't work out. At least we'd have two gay characters played by two gay men.

by Anonymousreply 15803/15/2019

[quote] I don't get why they promoted Josh to a series regular but not Todd. Makes no sense. I'd much rather watch more of Todd.

Josh was a character in the books. I think Todd was just for this show.

They did give him more to do last season but I wonder if the fact that he had booked a regular role on another TV series prevented him from being in this season more.

R158, Even Netflix knows that "Todd's" body (on a show he isn't even the star of) will get people watching.

Adam DiMarco on Twitter

“yikes https://t.co/15w75Tbj6r”

by Anonymousreply 15903/16/2019

There is a theory that Todd is related to Elliot... (Well, they literally have the same name, which are Elliot). So, he prob will have a big role in future episodes since this season is kinda Elliot-centric.

Tbh, I don't find him underrated at all, his acting is pretty average and his character in this series is also nothing interesting. About his looks? Nobody ever underrated him.

by Anonymousreply 16003/16/2019

[quote] Did that crazy dragon lady lie about the baby being Quentin's? I'm confused.

Both Quentin and Poppy (crazy dragon lady) were under the influence of the spell that protected the fertilized dragon egg and it made them act like they are its parents (and the viewer thinking that it's about the baby in Poppy's womb).

by Anonymousreply 16103/17/2019

I didn't understand the statement that Adam inserted in a recent Instagram story, something about needing more dick. There was a eggplant inserted on an image of Supernatural's Alexander Calvert. If anyone saw it, please explain.

by Anonymousreply 16203/17/2019

He wants Calvert's eggplant, i.e. dick.

by Anonymousreply 16303/17/2019

I don't blame him. I think they'd make a cute couple

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by Anonymousreply 16403/17/2019

Too bad he's straight and married.

by Anonymousreply 16503/17/2019

Which one's married?

by Anonymousreply 16603/17/2019

Alexander Calvert.

by Anonymousreply 16703/17/2019

Didn't realize since his Wikipedia and IMDB page have no mention of it. Still think they'd be cute together.

by Anonymousreply 16803/17/2019

[quote]Both Quentin and Poppy (crazy dragon lady) were under the influence of the spell that protected the fertilized dragon egg and it made them act like they are its parents (and the viewer thinking that it's about the baby in Poppy's womb).

I think some fans were confused about that because of the conversation Poppy had with Quentin at the end of the episode even after the egg was gone. It seemed like she may really a have been pregnant with Quentin's baby because she really was pregnant. She said it wasn't his but Poppy also lies.

It's nice to hear the boy has taste.

Adam DiMarco on Twitter

“frank ocean blonde album of the year 2018”

by Anonymousreply 16903/17/2019

I'm waiting for the musical episode of the season. Last season's 'Under Pressure' was pretty great.

Though that means another filler episode lol

by Anonymousreply 17003/20/2019

They are doing another? For real? Didn't care for the one last season at all.

by Anonymousreply 17103/20/2019

Yeah, I could do without another one of those. Most of them didn't have a good singing voice and Kady sounded straight-up dubbed the last time around.

by Anonymousreply 17203/20/2019

I didn't care for it either R171 but it's coming.

But it doesn't sound like it's a filler episode. They managed to tie it into a book event that we should get to after this week's episode.

(Minor spoilers in the article)

The Creators and Stars of The Magicians Talk About Taking Their Next Musical Episode Up a Notch

Do you hear the people sing? Well, you’re about to, once again. Syfy’s The Magicians is doing another musical episode for season four, and it’s the biggest—and zaniest—one yet.

by Anonymousreply 17303/20/2019

Actually I'm looking forward to it.

Poor Margo! DEPOSED!

by Anonymousreply 17403/20/2019

After this episode, I think I can finally accept Josh-Margo and Julia-Penny relationships.

by Anonymousreply 17503/20/2019

Too bad the credits spoiled Gethin Anthony in advance because I would have screamed otherwise. The one true king! Such a shame that horrid Finn Jones has gotten better gigs than him post-GoT.

His Insta is so tasteful and carefully curated so as not to give anything away about his personal life. Bitch be keeping all of his options on the table for future work.

Gethin Anthony on Instagram: “And we're off! Very excited to be opening Sam Shepard's 'A Lie of The Mind' at the Southwark Playhouse this week. Come on down if you're in…”

3,844 Likes, 65 Comments - Gethin Anthony (@gethinanthony) on Instagram: “And we're off! Very excited to be opening Sam Shepard's 'A Lie of The Mind' at the Southwark…”

by Anonymousreply 17603/21/2019

I'm not QUITE clear on the whole overthrow-King-Margo storyline and why Margo voluntarily left -- what is the quest she's on/what is she hoping to find?

by Anonymousreply 17703/22/2019

I've no idea what that arc was about and laughed when the guards dramatically marched Margo towards some generic wall at the end of the episode.

by Anonymousreply 17803/22/2019

R177 & R178 She is going to try to convince some Fillory hating desert people to give her the means to exorcise the monster from Eliot's body. She just proved that Fillory "hates" her by deposing her.

Enough said?

by Anonymousreply 17903/22/2019

R177 & R178 That's what you got if you only watch because of the hot guys. :p

by Anonymousreply 18003/23/2019

Love Margo and it kind of breaks my heart that for all the bad ass shit she has done for Fillory as a reward she's now being thrown out (even if it helps her quest to save Elliot).

by Anonymousreply 18103/23/2019

Ah, many thanks R179!

Admittedly, I was super-tired when I watched this week's episode and found myself nodding off a couple of times. Clearly, I missed some key details.

And LOL to R180. (I'm a lady gay, so... not so much. But I do love Eliot and Q together. :-))

by Anonymousreply 18203/23/2019

Devan Long is so fucking hot as the axe man out in the desert.

He plays Otto West on Now Apocalypse. I want to see a lot more of him.

by Anonymousreply 18303/27/2019

Haven't seen the episode yet. Hopefully his acting is better here than in Now Apocalypse.

by Anonymousreply 18403/27/2019

Kady, Josh, and Fogg can really sing. Elliot too, but I'm not a fan of his voice. Only in this series I can appreciate musical episodes, usually I can't stand them.

Margo is the best character, and the actress prob the best one too, out of the cast.

Also, as a Bi man, this episode is really a blessing for my eyes. The axe guy, shirtless elliot, Julia and Margo are so beautiful. lol

by Anonymousreply 18503/27/2019

Axe guy needs to get more work.

by Anonymousreply 18603/28/2019

Well, that was delightful. Love how this show has leaned into the feminist message and this week's episode with the menstrual spirits and Margo's kickass speech were a great example of that. And just when I was about to bitch about how Margo never uses magic for some reason, they have her bring the house down with it.

I liked the first and the last song the most. So grateful most of the singing was done by Elliot and that those who can't sing were excluded. I finally understand why Kady sounded dubbed in the first musical episode - because she was only singing in her higher register! The variation here made her sound more natural.

Goodbye, Gethin Anthony. We hardly knew ya.

by Anonymousreply 18703/28/2019

After bingeing this show for 2 seasons, I lost interest when they cut out magic and quit watching.

Now a year later, I might have been interested in catching up on it, but--from what I remember--the plots got so convoluted I wouldn't know what's going on.

And I'm certainly not going to start it over from scratch, so there we are.

Lesson for producers: don't create a show that centers on magic and then take away the magic. Really bad move.

by Anonymousreply 18803/28/2019

R188, tbh S3 is still my favorite season so far, the quest to bring magic back was so entertaining to watch. Although most of the main casts couldn't use magic, there was magic involved in every episode. I even dare to say that S3 is the most magical season out of all seasons, you got to see many magical creatures, magical places, magic sources, and magical items.

Also, S3 Episode 5 is still the best episode of all seasons.

by Anonymousreply 18903/28/2019

Will we ever have alive Renly Baratheon in any TV series?

by Anonymousreply 19003/28/2019

Between this and Deadly Class, SyFy is suddenly on a hot streak with original, like-no-other-shows grown-up programming. That they punted on The Expanse is a shame, and Amazon’ gain. Too bad about Winona Earp and Van Helsing, crap shows from the hacky, cheap Canadian Tv factory.

by Anonymousreply 19103/28/2019

R187, he was hot, but he couldn't live forever.

I bet he feels really stupid now that he didn't memorize the password for his panic room.

by Anonymousreply 19203/28/2019

Another filler episode. Zzzzzzzz.

by Anonymousreply 19303/30/2019

I admit this scene was great though.

The Magicians || Margo begins to hallucinate with Eliot || Season 4 Episode 10

Episode: All That Hard, Glossy Armor After being recruited to a secretive academy, a group of students discover that the magic they read about as children is...

by Anonymousreply 19403/30/2019

The Pretenders cover of Don't Get Me Wrong on the show is way better than Morrissey's unispired and lifeless cover of Back in The Chain Gang. But I got some serious Morrissey vibe off of Hale Appleman's performance.

by Anonymousreply 19503/30/2019

I want more Todd and less Josh.

by Anonymousreply 19603/30/2019

Fantastic episode. Margo gets all the best lines, doesn't she?

by Anonymousreply 19704/04/2019

This show is just excellent from start to finish. It was great to see the contrast in the relationship from past to present as well, how much has changed.

by Anonymousreply 19804/04/2019

I taste mint...

by Anonymousreply 19904/05/2019

Penny 23 doesn't deserve Julia.

by Anonymousreply 20004/05/2019

Easily one of the best shows on TV. I hate that the season is almost over.

by Anonymousreply 20104/07/2019

I'm a bit disappointed that Elliot's monster isn't Kronos, but just some weird twin.

by Anonymousreply 20204/07/2019

If Kady tastes mint and does wind up dying in that poison room, I assume that means she'll be reunited with her timeline's Penny in the afterlife... no?

by Anonymousreply 20304/08/2019

God I love Quintin.

ONLY ONE MORE EPISODE!

by Anonymousreply 20404/11/2019

Quentin's hair has never looked better. I can't believe that sister thing killed OLU just like that. Isn't OLU actually Persephone and as such an Old God?

by Anonymousreply 20504/11/2019

I had that same question, R205... but of course, gods killing gods wouldn't trigger the shut-off of magic, right?

by Anonymousreply 20604/11/2019

OLU could still be alive in the underworld. I love Julia's look in the evil mode.

by Anonymousreply 20704/11/2019

The show can be very insightful, like when Monster Eliot indicates that in the modern world the reason for needing a name is Starbucks, mostly.

by Anonymousreply 20804/13/2019

THIS EPISODE BROKE ME.....

by Anonymousreply 20904/17/2019

I was sobbing uncontrollably at the end.

Holy fuck.

by Anonymousreply 21004/17/2019

And he is confirmed to not coming back in S5

by Anonymousreply 21104/17/2019

Quentin was the main character. The show is going to diminish a lot without him. It will be like Golden Girls without Dorothy.

by Anonymousreply 21204/17/2019

Hopefully, the writers will make Todd the new heart of the show, although Adam DiMarco is doing another show too.

Adam DiMarco on Instagram: “photo, shoot // ????: @codeu”

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by Anonymousreply 21304/17/2019

Todd and Elliot need to hook up

by Anonymousreply 21404/17/2019

Is Quentin coming back, did the actor leave the show? It won't be the same without him. Also, I'm still rooting for him and Eliot.

by Anonymousreply 21504/18/2019

Can't believe the actor playing Q isn't coming back, what the fuck? He's always been my least favourite character, but I'll miss him still. His face when he was crying broke me and I started sobbing as well. Loved the sweet little musical number at the end.

I agree with some of the reviews saying the two monsters went out anticlimactically, given how hyped up they were and how they killed friggin' OLU. I loved the Old Gods' secretary explaining the monster using the logic "Why is a nickel bigger than a dime?"

The magic is finally back and it seems to be over-juiced. I'm most curious about the Dark King in Fillory, which is crazy because I've never been much interested in that arc.

by Anonymousreply 21604/18/2019

He's not coming back, R215. Not even for flashbacks. The actor has left the show.

He was easily my favorite character. I watched it mostly for him. HIs relationship with Elliot was amazing and ground-breaking.

I have no idea where the show goes from here. But you can't say they didn't foreshadow this all season long.

by Anonymousreply 21704/18/2019

The show-runners explain:

The Magicians' Showrunners Explain That 'Deliberate,' and Very Permanent, Finale Decision

Did my office suddenly fill up with onions, or am I still bawling my eyes out? The season finale of The Magicians pulled one of its biggest, and most shocking, surprises to date. You might think (or hope) it’ll lead to another epic quest, like the one to bring back magic in season three. But according to the showrunners, this decision was intentional, purposeful, and permanent.

by Anonymousreply 21804/18/2019

Odd decision, though I though Q was pretty marginalized this season.

by Anonymousreply 21904/18/2019

If Quentin is not coming back, I'm just gonna pretend that this is the series finale. He is my fav character from day 1, I rarely rooting for any main character in any shows, not even Jon Snow or Mama dragon. I find him the most relatable for me, personality-wise.

by Anonymousreply 22004/18/2019

My favorite character too, but … I'll still be back. It's such a good show.

But I'll really, really miss him.

by Anonymousreply 22104/18/2019

The incredibly quick demise of the Monsters was anticlimactic, like the end of the first season of Heroes. It's like they couldn't think of any way exciting to end it and they ran out of episodes so they just finished it off in a few minutes and devoted the rest of the time to setting up the next season. It should have a long complex battle and not just a surprise pickaxe swing. The Everett ending was even worse.

by Anonymousreply 22204/18/2019

r222 Yup, that global kumbaya spellcasting was sweet but didn't really work for me in this context. I wanted to see a bigger fight.

by Anonymousreply 22304/18/2019

[quote]If Quentin is not coming back, I'm just gonna pretend that this is the series finale.

He's done. A goner. Peace out.

The weirdest part of all of it, is that from the interviews with the show runners, they told Jason they were going to do it last season in what appears to be a casual conversation.

It doesn't sound like he wanted to go OR that they were pissed at him. It just seems like they came up with the idea, told him and they just decided to do it. The whole reason the show exists is because of Q's obsession with Fillory. I know it's an ensemble but he was clearly the lead.

How many shows survive this?

by Anonymousreply 22404/18/2019

I wish they killed Julia instead of Q.

by Anonymousreply 22504/18/2019

So, not only did the show tease use with a gay romance on a sci-fi show (never been done before), only to bail on that and pair him with Alice instead, they also managed to kill him off, playing into the old "bury your gays" trope. NOPE. Sorry, not here for this shit. I will boycott the show from now on. Like R220 I will pretend this was the series finale and not bother at all with a final season (I hope it will be the final season, can't imagine it will be successful without Quentin, the main character. It will probably be cancelled). What they did to Quentin was simply unforgivable.

by Anonymousreply 22604/18/2019

R226 is hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 22704/19/2019

I understand completely where r226 is coming from and I stopped watching Roswell because the gay romance ended, and I cancelled Sabrina because... well, there's nothing gay in there to be found.

It's just in this case, Quentin (and the actor) annoyed me from the first minute to the last and so I'm very much looking forward to the Ralph-less future of this show.

by Anonymousreply 22804/19/2019

MARY!

[quote]So, not only did the show tease use with a gay romance on a sci-fi show (never been done before),

This has [bold]totally[/bold] been done before on Shadowhunters, Torchwood, Trueblood, Orphan Black and even Killjoys. (And none of those were baiting, they were actual relationships.) Hell, it's not the only gay romance that was on this show.

Also the characters are bisexual not gay. There was never an actual gay character on the show or rather a character that strictly only wanted relationships with men. Even Elliot has slept with Margo.

[quote]only to bail on that and pair him with Alice instead

Again, he wasn't "gay." As the author said, Quentin will accept love from anyone that wants to give it.

[quote]they also managed to kill him off, playing into the old "bury your gays" trope. NOPE.

I don't disagree with this while remembering they're all bisexual.

[quote]Sorry, not here for this shit. I will boycott the show from now on. Like [R220] I will pretend this was the series finale and not bother at all with a final season (I hope it will be the final season, can't imagine it will be successful without Quentin, the main character. It will probably be cancelled). What they did to Quentin was simply unforgivable.

If the only reason you were watching the show is because of a "tease" of a possible romance between two characters that were bisexual then it's probably best you stop watching the show.

I don't want to sound like I'm slighting you, I really am just trying to say that this show was never going to be it. Even the books that the show is based have Quentin and Alice together at the end.

by Anonymousreply 22904/19/2019

In one week we lost not one, but TWO gay characters. How is this in any way ok?! First Quentin, then Nico on Grey's Anatomy. If it was a lesbian character, there would be outrage. But since it's a gay male character.... nothing. Gays just don't give a fuck if the producers kill off (or in Nico's case send off) gay characters. Just sad.

by Anonymousreply 23004/19/2019

We got the two gays reuniting on Discovery, though, and travelling together into the bright future, literally.

Could we have discussed the fates of four gay characters on separate TV shows in the same week ten or even five years ago? That's clearly progress.

by Anonymousreply 23104/19/2019

I'm not sure what the show's going to be like without Q, but I nominate Pete to move up to main character status.

The Magicians (2015-)

David Call in The Magicians (2015)

by Anonymousreply 23204/19/2019

r232 Yes! Omg, he's so handsome.

by Anonymousreply 23304/19/2019

Quentin was easily my favorite character and the show will be lesser without him.

I cannot fathom those people who hate him so much they're glad he's gone. That just seems insane to me.

by Anonymousreply 23404/19/2019

I'm really into hair and I've hated his haircut throughout, except maybe in this last season. There, that's why I never liked the character. That and the whininess and the weird backstory (suicide attempts?!) that didn't seem to inform his arc in any way. As with other things in art and life in general, this also simply boils down to individual taste and preference.

And yes, Alice has the best hair on TV right now. That platinum blonde colour with the black roots, coloured to within a micron of precision? Chef's kiss.

by Anonymousreply 23504/19/2019

R213 He can probably do both as both are filming in Vancouver.

by Anonymousreply 23604/19/2019

They could easily add Adam DiMarco and his thicc ass or Pete R232.

Although Todd could possibly be bi (since he was allegedly banging Margolem) and it seemed as if Pete was going to (if he stuck around) hook up with Kady. He already slept with Julia.

David Call on Instagram: “Just hanging out on Monday afternoon doing some acting. Thanks to @derya_was_here and @sheilatabasco for making this lady feel pretty!”

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by Anonymousreply 23704/19/2019

So the show is not Jon Snow-ing us? The others will not try to get Quentin back with the overload of magic they have now?

A beautiful send off though. Love "Cruel World" by Active Child that's playing while Quentin sacrifices himself.

by Anonymousreply 23804/19/2019

No, R238.

by Anonymousreply 23904/19/2019

I would like to have Alice, with her pouting and whining and her ridiculously huge jugs, thrown into the Seam. Thank you.

by Anonymousreply 24004/19/2019

Only if I can have Quintin back.

by Anonymousreply 24104/19/2019

Without Q I bet next season will be the last.

by Anonymousreply 24204/19/2019

Kind of a bad ass move. Sort of like the anti Harry Potter where the media and fans were so "Oh no! Please J.K. Rowling, don't let Harry die! Think of the children!".

by Anonymousreply 24304/19/2019

i think his death would have made an even greater impact if he had more to do in the season. Most of the season I was like "where's Quentin?". He was sidelined for most of it, just being the supporting character showing up in other characters' stories.

by Anonymousreply 24404/19/2019

Quentin was the character that bound all the others together. Except for two existing pairs, none of the main characters would have had anything to do with each other. There's no reason for them to stay together as a group with Quentin gone.

by Anonymousreply 24504/19/2019

Why did Jason Ralph leave? Q is the heart and soul of this show.

Will Jason show up as Mrs. Maisel's new love interest?

Rachel Brosnahan Has Actually Been Married For "Years"

The "Marvelous Mrs. Maisel" actress hasn't been keeping her marriage a secret, exactly.

by Anonymousreply 24604/19/2019

There was enough of an uproar that a few articles were written about it and I don't think most fans are joking when they said they won't be back.

According to an interview with Ralph:

1. He doesn't seem to have any feeling one way or the other on his exit and he kind of avoids their question. He didn't seem upset in the interview. He didn't say he wanted to leave. The story is consistent that the writers just came up with it and he went along with it.

2. They filmed a fake ending where his character came back to life so ...

3. The cast had no clue until two days before the episode aired that he was dead for real and the ending they shot where he came back was fake.

Shows can't usually survive this and the Magicians writers think they're smart enough to get around this death. Sleepy Hollow got cancelled after Abby was killed and Sliders got cancelled after Jerry O'Connell left. As annoying as I found his character he was the one that kept them all together.

The Magicians: [SPOILER] talks their 'cathartic' finale death and series exit

The occupant of the Underworld elevator opens up about their heartbreaking goodbye and keeping their departure a secret from the cast.

by Anonymousreply 24704/19/2019

Add me to the list of viewers who became weepy messes during the "Take On Me" tribute. I actually didn't know (until now) that Jason Ralph was leaving the series, which kind of makes the group-goodbye scene even more poignant.

As for the impact of his absence going forward, though: I actually think the show will be just fine without him.

As others have pointed out, he's had less and less to do as the seasons have gone on, and hasn't really had a meaty, central storyline since Alice was a niffin.

by Anonymousreply 24804/20/2019

[quote] He was sidelined for most of it, just being the supporting character showing up in other characters' stories.

Yeah, that makes me a bit suspicious of all the sweetness-and-light stories about Ralph knowing he'd be gone since the start of the season and being just fine with it. If you're going to kill off what has always been your main character, you're going to give him even more of a spotlight in the episodes leading up to it, to up the audience feels when he kicks it. But Q basically disappeared, save for that hasty Alice reunion. No one's heard any gossip about behind-the-scenes friction?

by Anonymousreply 24904/20/2019

[quote] There's no reason for them to stay together as a group with Quentin gone.

They went through a lot together since Quentin matched them up. That could serve as a bond beyond Quentin being the common friend. And if the show comes back there will be good reasons for them to team up together to fight evil.

by Anonymousreply 25004/20/2019

The show made a point that he played such an important part in his friends' lives even though his character wasn't front and center in the show's arc or the characters' plot lines this season. He made his mark (season one to four), moved into the background (season 5), and in the final episode of season 5 faded away.

by Anonymousreply 25104/20/2019

Is it weird that I find Dead Penny in the suit so much hotter than Penny 23?

by Anonymousreply 25204/20/2019

Was Ralph the biggest name when this show started? What other things has he got lined up now?

by Anonymousreply 25304/20/2019

I don't see anything on IMDB, but I'm assuming he left the show for some other opportunity.

by Anonymousreply 25404/20/2019

[Quote]Without Q I bet next season will be the last.

I hope so. I hope it gets cancelled. What they did to Quentin is unforgivable.

by Anonymousreply 25504/20/2019

It was probably his choice to leave. I doubt he was fired.

by Anonymousreply 25604/20/2019

Definitely his choice but he probably reached an agreement with the showrunners to not say that publicly so as to spare him the fans' outrage. So now they are taking all the fire instead.

by Anonymousreply 25704/20/2019

Hale Appleman's twitter comments are opaque but seemingly not happy.

by Anonymousreply 25804/20/2019

But he wasn't totally in the background. They wouldn't have tried to save Elliot without him pushing for it. And they couldn't have succeeded without his sacrifice. Even if he didn't have a major arc of his own, he was absolutely crucial to the entire story of season five.

by Anonymousreply 25904/20/2019

R258, both he and Arjun (Penny) are responding to outraged fans.

I'm sure they're probably annoyed too since Ralph and the show runners kept the death a secret from them up until the start of the week ... when they have known for a year.

I've heard of actors finding out that one of their co-stars is going to bite it during the read through of the episode but this must be some kind of special messed up to find out before that episode airs a year later.

I'm sure they're probably all worried about their survival.

[quote]Was Ralph the biggest name when this show started?

Sort of. He, Arjun Gupta and Summer Bishil worked the most prior to the show but he was probably best well known for being on Madam Secretary. It says something that he was married to Rachel Brosnahan (Mrs. Maisel) for years and no one knew anything about it. He's a private guy.

[quote]What other things has he got lined up now?

He has his own theater company, in NYC, he founded with friends and for the past few years they've been doing plays. He just seems more like a stage person than an on camera person based upon his past activities and persona.

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by Anonymousreply 26004/20/2019

I was honestly surprised when I heard Jason Ralph was married to a woman, I always assumed he was gay for some reason.

by Anonymousreply 26104/20/2019

R260 The fans have every right to be outraged, I am too. I'm done with the show for what they did to Q. I hope it gets cancelled. If it does they only have themselves to blame.

by Anonymousreply 26204/20/2019

[quote] Even if he didn't have a major arc of his own, he was absolutely crucial to the entire story of season five.

I believe that was the point at the end of Quentin being concerned that, in the end, he, and his actions, didn't really matter and Penny convinced him otherwise by letting Quentin see his friends grieving for him and how he mattered to them and how he changed their lives.

by Anonymousreply 26304/20/2019

[quote]both he and Arjun (Penny) are responding to outraged fans.

Checked out Arjun Gupta's Twitter feed because of this comment and was pleasantly surprised -- he seems like a really sweet guy!

by Anonymousreply 26404/20/2019

Holding hands, cute.

Arjun Gupta on Instagram: “My face by no means reflects how much I love @tsunamigrind. He is a true gentleman and a hilarious actor. So happy to have him back!…”

5,200 Likes, 12 Comments - Arjun Gupta (@arjunguptabk) on Instagram: “My face by no means reflects how much I love @tsunamigrind. He is a true gentleman and a hilarious…”

by Anonymousreply 26504/20/2019

This season, they gave Joshua, the fat guy with glasses a bigger role. I like him but only as a supporting actor or for comic relief. I don't know about the Margo-Joshua coupling, Fen would be a better match.

For me, no one comes close to the likability factor like Quentin, although I am liking Penny more.

by Anonymousreply 26604/20/2019

R264, he is. A very stark contrast from Penny version 1. He was always in those behind the scenes videos flirting with Jason Ralph who would always blow him off and look annoyed. He's also very supportive of the LGBT community. I loved it when he was on Nurse Jackie.

Arjun Gupta on Twitter

“This is beautiful news!! Love is Love! India’s Supreme Court has decriminalized gay sex. Goodbye to one of the last vestiges of colonialism! #lovehasnoboubdaries #Section377 #proudIndianAmerican #LoveWins”

by Anonymousreply 26704/20/2019

I agree 100 % with this post on tumblr:

[Quote]I’m kind of behind this season on the magicians but I peeped at what happened to queliot and wowwowow I didn’t think that there could be such a despicable way to fridge a queer relationship, while tricking the audience into thinking that a queer ship had become central on a mainstream fantasy show, but by gosh they did it. They really fucking did it.

[Quote]It’s incredibly vile given that for once you had the protagonist of a show fall for another man and do it organically, not as some kind of representation quota, not to appease the “gays”, not as part of a “special episode”. It looked like a romance that was integral to the story and not some flimsy, insulting afterthought. Hell, I even praised the writers for their boldness. only to find out they could afford to be “brave” because they knew they were going to basically kill their gays, or at least one of them. Sure, quentin died for “love”…but these two weren’t even allowed a reunion, they were split so definitively, almost as if the show wanted to remind viewers that it’s the hetero stories that we are meant to care about most and we should be grateful the status quo has been reinstated. Whatever romantic tragedy was milked from quentin’s death doesn’t at all cancel the fact that these writers absolutely played it safe. So them claiming they killed off the white protag is a bunch of horseshit and shows the limitations of “representation” politics in media nowadays since it always manifests as beggarly scraps that viewers are supposed to be meekly thankful for. The smug way these writers want to be congratulated for rewriting an insulting trope is beyond galling. They played it safe but want to be treated like revolutionaries. Fuck this noise.

by Anonymousreply 26804/21/2019

And this:

[Quote]Quentins actor left the show (as far as i know he didnt particularly want that but the writers told him it was gonna happen like a year ago) put him under a gag order and they filmed a dummy ending so all the other actors didnt even know until monday. they seem pretty mad especially Eliots actor (as a queer man who said it was amazing he could portray a queer relationship like that bc he didnt have one when he was younger)

[Quote]HOLY SHIT THAT IS AN ASSHOLE MOVE. And fuck yeah I can imagine Hale Appleman (the only actor on this show whose name I actually can remember on my own) must have looked forward to the Queliot just as much, since his plotline was clearly headed that way. What a way to fuck not just your fanbase but also your cast over. Damn, assholes.

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by Anonymousreply 26904/21/2019

[quote]It says something that he was married to Rachel Brosnahan (Mrs. Maisel) for years and no one knew anything about it.

OMG !!! That's crazy.

by Anonymousreply 27004/21/2019

LOL. Sure, Hale Appleman is pissed that he won't make out with Jason Ralph next season. Might just quit the show, because poor guy was robbed and disrespected!

by Anonymousreply 27104/21/2019

So did the writers wanted to make Q and Eliot a couple and Jason Ralph refused so they wrote him out?

I can't believe the writers would do that to the main leading actor. They would find some way to accommodate him, after all, Quentin is the MAIN guy of the series.

Ralph probably didn't want to renew his contract for other reasons.

by Anonymousreply 27204/21/2019

As has been mentioned, the show masters decided they would kill Quentin, which is insane, and the actor accepted it.

by Anonymousreply 27304/21/2019

I guess the writers and SyFy wanted to end this show. I can see this series lasting only one more season.

by Anonymousreply 27404/21/2019

[quote]So did the writers wanted to make Q and Eliot a couple and Jason Ralph refused so they wrote him out?

Where did you come up with that one? Nothing he, the writers or anyone else has said has implied that idea.

If he didn't like that plot he would have stopped it when they started it.

He's always nice to his gay fans in person (including me) and he also played gay in the movie, "Those People" back in 2016.

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by Anonymousreply 27504/21/2019

When the lead on a show like this gets killed off, it usually means there were issues in his personal life or that he was difficult on the set (not the case here), that pay re-negotiations fell through (maybe the case here), or that he's gotten bored with the show and has signalled that to the showrunners himself or through his agent (most likely the case). Writers don't just kill off leads for shits and giggles, people.

I kinda hate Ralph even more now that he's keeping schtum and allowing the showrunners to take the crap on his behalf. Man up and assume at least some of the responsibility, you little weasel.

by Anonymousreply 27604/21/2019

Here's a bit more insight:

[quote]We actually had a very open and kind of great conversation at the end of Season 3. We always want to talk to the actors. “How did you feel about the season? What were your favorite things? What do you want to do next season?” We had a feeling that Jason was beginning to sense that he’d explored a lot of that character and had grown a tremendous amount in terms of how that character’s journey unfolded. [We had a] discussion with him on Skype. It just became really clear to Sera, myself and Jason that the best next step for this character would be the kind of death that we had laid out for him that eventually formed this climax. So it was an oddly drama-free, very much mutual, totally creative decision. It was just: How do we best serve this character’s journey, and how do we best continue to shock and surprise our audience? And the answer turned out to be this one thing. He was onboard from jump street.

Magicians EPs on [Spoiler]'s Shocking Exit and Emotional Musical Tribute

Warning: The following contains major spoilers for Wednesday’s The Magicians season finale. A-Ha’s “Take on Me” has never sounded so sad. During The Magicians’ Season …

by Anonymousreply 27704/21/2019

LOL, you guys are too much. How many more seasons of this show are you expecting? The show has to end sometime. Usually, 4 to 5 seasons is usually pushing it. The Magicians needs to end on a high note. The next season should be its last.

by Anonymousreply 27804/21/2019

Maybe they'll bring back Quentin's son.

by Anonymousreply 27904/21/2019

Am I the only one who love Q but also love that episode?

by Anonymousreply 28004/21/2019

r280, I love it too.

by Anonymousreply 28104/21/2019

I found the denouement of the monsters anticlimactic.

by Anonymousreply 28204/21/2019

Virtually all of this season was pounding the less than Quentin WASN'T the "main" guy of the series, R727.

by Anonymousreply 28304/21/2019

Reading the BTS stuff, the show people are explicit about pushing a female agenda, which has been fine. However, it’s now clear that the corollary is a desire to reduce/remove the importance of the mostly straight white male who was the main character. Josh might have been next on the list but is probably okay, because he is made to be subordinate. Penny, being non-white, gets two iterations, but is sadly neutered to keep the female characters in the power positions.

by Anonymousreply 28404/21/2019

Or maybe R284, as the interview with the show runners implied, he was getting bored and wanted to leave.

And they literally followed the books (written by a straight but open minded white guy) for years so their characters/positions are based on that. Good Lord!

by Anonymousreply 28504/21/2019

i laughed when Margo told Quinn to get a backbone in her own Margoish way: Grow A Pair of Tits Coldwater!

by Anonymousreply 28604/25/2019

R28 Then you might like this. Peep Rafael's comment and Adam's reply.

Adam DiMarco on Instagram: “???????????????? // ????: @codeu”

45.5k Likes, 437 Comments - Adam DiMarco (@adamdimarco) on Instagram: “???????????????? // ????: @codeu”

by Anonymousreply 28705/10/2019

r287 Can you please tell us the gist of that exchange because I don't have Insta and only recent replies show on the browser version.

by Anonymousreply 28805/10/2019

R288 Here:

rafaeldlf Handsome chap

adamdimarco @rafaeldlf no u

by Anonymousreply 28905/10/2019

That's nice but was that supposed to be revealing in some way? He's never been closeted in real life, despite his highly curated Insta.

by Anonymousreply 29005/10/2019

Adam's cute. I'm glad he's family. I need him to show his butt on screen.

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by Anonymousreply 29105/10/2019

Season 5 Comic-Con Sneak Peek

Featuring Julia and... literally a sexist pig.

The Magicians Season 5 Comic-Con Sneak Peek | Rotten Tomatoes TV

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by Anonymousreply 29207/21/2019

It won't be the same without Quentin.

by Anonymousreply 29307/21/2019
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