** BREAKING NEWS **

For some reason this story makes me want to giggle.

Oh ok good I was worried it was near Woodstock. It was people coming from something called an Apple Barrel.

What a bunch of idiots. 60 mph while driving over the hill.

You have to feel sad for the Apple Barrel. They probably have a three month season at best, and who's going to come for their cider if they risk being plowed under by a truck with bad brakes?

Aunt Diane the sequel?

Speeding limo holding intoxicated wedding party loses control. I feel bad for the bystanders not those in the car. .

^^ Oh, shit!

20 people? That's completely insane

Oops! The LOL! was meant for Aunt Diane.

Shit like this scares me.

A restaurant near me was destroyed a few years ago when an 18 wheeler's load shifted when it was driving down a slight hill with a curve. The truck tipped on its side, slid into the restaurant, hit a gas main, and it burned to the ground. Thankfully this happened early in the morning (4-6 am) and no one was in the place. The driver had minimal injuries.

The clientele of the restaurant tends to be older people. God could only imagine how many people would have died if it happened during dinner.

if the bride died, it sucks. if the bride lived it sucks.

I don't think anyone in that limo survived....

Sounds like it was a real mess...

My first thought when I saw "twenty people" was "another mass shooting."

Sad country, this is.

Barrel- intransitive verb. : to move at a high speed or without hesitation.

- Jus Sayin', The Limo

Eighteen of the victims were in the limousine and the other two were bystanders, the Associated Press reported, citing preliminary information from sources close to the investigation.

I feel for those families because I am sure they are all connected. Can't even imagine what they are going thru

Google Maps.

If you blow through the intersection from Route 30, it goes right into the Apple Barrel parking lot.

I hope the bride and groom are among the deceased. I've been in several wedding party limos and they are usually the ones telling the driver to speed up.

I'd lay bets they're from the bridge and tunnel crowd. It is a wonder more of them are not killed more often.

If the driver was black or latino we'll have to do something about runaway limos.

Is there anything trashier than a limo?

Wonder who the two survivors in the limo were.

Comes flying over the hill, hits another car starts rolling down the hill, the party inside go flying around, their heads smashing into each other.

So we still don't know whether the bride and groom were killed?

Users on Reddit are saying that it wasn't a wedding. It was a birthday celebration.

The latest reports are this was a clown car en route to a child’s birthday party.

^

See, that's why I pre-emptively started to giggle.

These huge limos are such death traps.

R28 - tell us about it.

Is there any possibility that this was intentional? Like maybe the driver had mental problems.

R6 I feel the same way

I have actually gotten out of wedding limos twice because they wouldn't stop speeding. The first I took a taxi to the reception, the second I just went home.

Guns don't kill people; limos do.

You can fit 18 people into a limo? Even a big one?

I don't get it. Why would a driver speed up just because some drunken passengers tell him to?

R35 maybe the women offered to flash him

It’s a dangerous road with a history of bad accidents.

What was on their iPods? Oh and can I have their stuff?

The wheels on the limo go round and round , round and round, round and round . The wheels on the limo go round and round , all over bystanders .

Freeway of Love

Highway to Hell

[quote] The latest reports are this was a clown car en route to a child’s birthday party.

No, they're wrong. My uterus and I took a taxi.

Who, exactly, passed to the other side?

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State Police spokesman Christopher Fiore said the limousine failed to stop at the intersection and slammed into a parked SUV. Eighteen people in the limousine and two bystanders were killed, he said.

45 posts and no mention that OP is a lazy fat whore?

Did everybody in the limo die? I hate to think it was young people. Probably trying to be responsible and not drive so they could drink and not worry about anybody dying.

OP, this won't be breaking news tomorrow. Was it that important to be the first to post it? Did you achieve your personal best today?

I can't breathe.

I don’t understand how 18 people in one vehicle can all die unless the limo went over a cliff or exploded.

R50, picture 20 people in what is essentially a cement mixer as the limo rolls. I am sure none of them wore seat belts.

Have their been anymore developments in this URGENTLY IMPORTANT story?

Some of them surely would have landed on the fat girls. You’d think they’d work like air bags.

Yes, R52. Let The highly perceptive OP provide them.

Makes me think I ought to be using the seatbelt when I take cabs. I never use the seatbelt in a cab. Maybe because they always look deeply contaminated. Uber’s always seem much cleaner than cabs, so I do in that case.

Limo driver on Facebook, PornHub, whatever?

[QUOTE]Have their been anymore developments in this URGENTLY IMPORTANT story?

Well, OP?

Hi OP. Can you please provide updates for this ineptly titled thread?

Waiting for news, OP!

I'm on my wireless waiting for any news.

-- OP

OP, don't start any more threads. You're not very good at it.

The critical error is when they decided to play Diana escaping the paparazzi. They were speeding, play with fire, get burned.

Eighteen passengers? Ninety years ago my grandmother's friend was excited by her new Packard which could seat eight people. My grandmother sniffed "That's a charabanc, not a limousine".

The SUV was on the way to the wedding (according to Daily Mail) but neither the bride nor groom was in the vehicle. I bet the bride is pissed off — her big day spoiled and every anniversary too, now. And those 18 dinners were paid for!

iPod

How hot were the killed people in the limo?

OP, for the live of god turn this thread over to a competent DLer.

[quote]The critical error is when they decided to play Diana escaping the paparazzi. They were speeding, play with fire, get burned.

Exactly. I'll bet you that when the truth comes out they were being chased by other members of the party.

How many rhinestone tiaras and feather boas were found at the scene?

I don't want to get retagged, so I will try to state this correctly.

My suspicion is that the driver will be declared to be an illegal/legal non-white, and this will become a tareism (AKA GWB) issue because of where in the world this person was born. And, Oh, this will energize the Pres and the Right.

UPDATE: The limo has taken out another 18 individuals, this time Chinese tourists taking pictures of squirrels on the side of the road. Where is the murderous limo headed? Who will it kill next? Stay tuned for important breaking news. DL's got you covered.

Have the police questioned the limo and discovered its motive? I hope that limo FRIES.

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[quote]How many rhinestone tiaras and feather boas were found at the scene?

The AP is reporting they were all headed to a birthday party, not a wedding. Once again, you can count on the DM for photos, but not reliable reporting.

I am pissed at the OP for the shitty and useless way they titled this thread. I'm pissed at myself for continuing to post in it.

This site confirms it too and names some of the victims.

The birthday boy and wife (allegedly).

God, can you imagine how awful the person who's birthday was being celebrated feels right now? And every year after this. Fucking hell.

They were newlweds.

Was Brandy driving that limo? Good lord.

This is what a Ford Excursion limo looks like.

R18. Wow thtas cold blooded even for Dl standards. RIP victims.

This is upstate New York, New York's version of Mississippi. They were probably all drunk including the limo driver.

Lol. Yall are awful. Im gone from this thread.

The same poster posted all these posts pretty much right in a row:

[quote] OP, this won't be breaking news tomorrow. Was it that important to be the first to post it? Did you achieve your personal best today?

[quote] Hi OP. Can you please provide updates for this ineptly titled thread?

[quote] OP, don't start any more threads. You're not very good at it.

Was he worried the OP would not get the message the first time?

That limo cruising slowly on NYC avenues I can see, but not going 60 mph on winding rural roads Upstate.

[quote]This is what a Ford Excursion limo looks like.

Years ago there a story on Dateline or 20/20 about the faulty design of those stretch limos and how dangerous they are.

How can 20 people fit inside one limo!? It sounds more like a bus crash!

Are we there yet?

What Kind of limo was it? Was it a stretched out SUV?

Elimonated

The leaves haven't even started to change color yet. It's too warm still.

R90, R92, please look at R83's post.

I win again.

These tacky SUV limos are deathtraps. Luckily they are usually hired by straight deplorables. Culling the herd.

Some nasty comments here and none of them humorous.

I’m appalled at the people that make fun of this accident. You’re pathetic excuses for human beings.

R98 you want humor go someplace else, this is DL

R99 you’re no better. Who the fuck cares about 20 hets dying in a car accident? I don’t.

I wonder how many members of one family was in the limo.

R87, are you that little retarded girl who wears adult diapers? Good for you on cut and paste skills!

How many were Trump voters?

r98 and r99. I know sharp and prolonged grief because of the sudden deaths of loved ones. We all do.

Still, there is a cosmic, hoax-ish absurdity to existence, and then, non-existence; the expression of which finds an outlet in morbid humor, granted, what one finds humorous is subjective.

Trump is alive and my loved ones and these people are dead. That alone prove my point.

WHY GOD couldn't it have been that awful 'K' family piled inside that limo!?

"The crash is the deadliest such incident in the Capital Region since the Oct. 2, 2005 sinking of the Ethan Allen tour boat on Lake George killed 20 people." - what the fuck is an ethan allen tour boat? and why are people riding this?

how can a stretch limo hold so many people?

Let's hope they were all Trump/Kavanaugh supporters.

It's super sad. Some of the passengers had kids.

The article reads that the limo “barreled” down the road. Shouldn't it be “apple barreled”?

Not Cracker Barrel?

Having lived in that area Im here to tell you those fucking idiots up there drive like maniacs .Especially during the winter. I was always afraid to go on anything but major roads up there because it was nothing to be riding down a lovely,twisting road admiring the scenery and some moron would come flying around the bend.What a terrible story.I lost my 1st true love to a car wreck and it about killed me.I cant imagine what 20 families are going through.

Why all the attitude about the passengers? They were probably trying to be responsible by hiring the limo. Sad situation.

[quote]God, can you imagine how awful the person who's birthday was being celebrated feels right now?

Not really because he’s dead.

R107 - this link is for you!

As a native of the area, the intersection where this happened is a blind road and very dangerous at any speed.

It is a tragedy.

We need to know a few things. Were they hot and were they Trump voters? Answers before I make any decisions on how much sympathy to feel.

R115 Holy shit, so it manages to get even more tragic.

Were the birthday presents in the car?

Why were they all crammed in a limo going to a birthday party together? Wouldn't you normally pick a venue and everyone would arrange their own transport? If they were attempting to leaf peep it would seem those in the interior of the car wouldn't be able to see a damn thing. And the way people film each and every moment of their social lives I guarantee at least one of the 18 was filming with their phone when the crash occurred.

[quote]Why were they all crammed in a limo going to a birthday party together? Wouldn't you normally pick a venue and everyone would arrange their own transport?

It makes more sense to have one vehicle instead of several. Also, add to it everyone wants to drink you don't have to worry about a designated driver.

I wonder if someone tampered with the brakes.

Hang on, r115 I don't see where the person celebrating their birthday was among the dead. Where did you read that?

Gee, I didn't think this may miscreants still existed on datalounge. So low brow, I didn't know your type has access to the web.

It doesn't make me laugh but apparently it is known to be a dangerous spot. Why weren't there more signs to warn drivers? It's just kind of weird.

A lot of times bad accidents happen with weddings. I heard of one, the father of the bride and the groom both died in a car accident, coming home from the airport.

R87 = 300 lb frau Stalk your smelly twat, freak.

I once lived in a former motel complex where the apartments were combo rooms from the former motel.

The managers reception house was a separate unit and located directly on a dangerous curve of a state road at the bottom of a hill. That house had been crashed into so many times huge boulders had been brought in to protect the house.

One day some drunk nimrods loaded a row boat into the bed of a pick up truck and put two people in the boat. They careened down the hill hit the curve so fast that the two people in the row boat went flying and the girl landed smack onto my driveway just moments after I pulled in.

dead dead dead

Horrible day for all. There were so many signs and it never made a bit of difference. Booze makes fools of them all.

The family built a memorial at the end of the driveway right where I turned in every day. After six months I took it down. Couldn't stand looking at it every time I came home.

You took down their memorial?

R128 I love that you took down their memorialization of drunken stupidity. Good for you!

Four sisters and their husbands were among the 20 people killed in an upstate limo crash that took place while the women were celebrating the youngest sister’s 30th birthday, their aunt said Sunday.

“One just got married and that’s what this was: her new husband was giving her a surprise birthday party,” Barbara Douglas said

“I have five nieces, and now four of them are dead.”

Damn.

Of course i took it down. The flowers were dead the ribbon bleached from the sun and the rain. The name and date blown to shreds by the wind. The family lived 75 miles away but I had to face it EVERY day.

Damn straight I took it down..

🐀[quote] R121: I guarantee at least one of the 18 was filming with their phone when the crash occurred.

Probably the driver.

R133 I would have taken it down as well. You gave it 6 months. I don't know if I would have been that generous.

Stretch Limos : Duck Boats = No difference

Vehicle neglect + operator incompetence

R132, it's "Damn, Damn, DAMN!!!", you stupid honky!

The highway authorities discourage those reside memorials. 20 years ago, when they were notable to shock people into taking a particularly dangerous road seriously, or such, they served a public purpose. Now they’re just a distraction and hazard in their own right. Cemeteries are for memorializing the dead.

The whole thing is fucking awful, four siblings is just horrific. Holy fuck. I don't blame you R128, who wants to see that every day.

Wow, that’s the first time I’ve ever heard of the NTSB at the scene of a car wreck. They weren’t there for Aunt Diane and there was only one car with victims in it. Not much for them to investigate.

r140 I'm guessing it's because a limo was involved which falls under a different set of transportation codes than a civilian car does.

People hire limos so they can drink and not worry about duis. I live near a bunch of vineyards and we have people coming here in limos for wedding showers, engagement parties, birthdays, etc. Because of state laws, wineries can’t serve food, so there’s really nothing to do at them but drink. A few years back a limo driver made a U turn into the path of a pickup truck & 4 young women in the limo died.

A judge dropped all charges against the limo driver on a technicality.

i feel so sorry for the surviving relatives

R142 What state are you in? I'm in California and there are many wineries that serve food. If not exactly sit-down than at least nice sandwiches or nibbly things. That's crazy not to have something to be able nosh on while going out tasting. I feel horrible for everyone involved. This one really cuts deep.

This is horrible, especially for the three young kids left behind.

I think they can serve cheese & crackers, chips and maybe charcuterie at wineries. There was a winery that had to be shut down because the owners were playing extremely loud music all hours of the day and night and were basically running a rowdy nightclub. They were violating all kinds of regs so the town got strict. Vineyards are zoned as agricultural land, so owners can’t operate a restaurant. Food trucks became a big thing at the wineries, but local delis and restaurants complained. The brick & mortar delis and restaurants were paying taxes, observing zoning laws and also required to observe board of health rules for serving food. The food trucks didn’t have to do that, so the restaurants made a stink and the town agreed the trucks shouldn’t be allowed on agricultural or residentially zoned land.

Restaurants make a good living from the vineyard tourist trade and delis do a lot of local business from local workers who buy lunch there. The food trucks were making big bucks with no regulations or taxes.

All right, which one of you is Kat Rings?

Scroll down the "table for sale" post.

I'm pretty sure the vinyards aren't the issue here but the limousine companies.

If the brakes were faulty, do you think the families could sue the limo company?

The kids are so young that they probably won’t remember this and be fine. I feel much worse for the parents of those killed. How do you possibly go on with your life?

I hope the parents of those 4 sisters are already dead.

Yeah, the big limousines and party buses allow drinking onboard, so you can have 18 very loud, drunk people whooping & screaming, standing up when they should be sitting (remember Dan Motherfuck? RIP. He would’ve been a great SCOTUS judge one day).

If the driver isn’t drunk or an asshole, he or she coukd be distracted by all the ruckus.

The sisters were between 30-35, so basically popped out one after another. For it to be the birthday of the youngest and another to have just gotten married makes it all the sadder. Can you imagine being the parents and losing the four daughters plus your four son-in-laws all in one instant? To have such a big family and have it all wiped out...

R152 who is Dan Motherfuck?

The Ballad of DanMotherFuck can be experienced down below:

It's a real treat r154. Enjoy!

18 people would have meant way too much weight for the brakes. So when the party BUS they hired was replaced with a limo, they all should have said no thanks.

What r155 linked to. Some of the posts are kind of....strange.

"Now I'm getting older, I'd love to be teenaged."

Dumb dead flakes

Unreal to lose that many people from one family in one accident.

I know people who live near the accident. They said it's a really big hill and steep too. Bad combination right there. They think that the limo most likely lost its brakes. They also told me that tractor trailers were banned from this hill due to losing their brakes.

Eighteen people in a limo on a fairly standard drive-train is a lot of weight. Brakes are designed and installed based on weight restrictions. If there's too much weight they won't be able to stop the vehicle. Maybe it was driver error, I don't know, but I suspect it was more likely a combination of the long, steep hill, an improperly placed stop sign, and a vehicle that was overweight due to overloading.

One of the worst, if not the worst, traffic accidents I've ever heard of. So tragic. I assumed the 4 sisters were the all the children in the family, but the aunt said they were the youngest. So I hope they had siblings for the parents sake.

[quote]Can you imagine being the parents and losing the four daughters plus your four son-in-laws all in one instant?

Hopefully they hadn’t done any Christmas shopping yet!

Before anyone chews out r163. This IS the DL, and this IS a horrific story. Sometimes we need dark humour to be able to deal with the shittyness of it all.

The four sisters were from a family of seven kids, five females and two males. So now there are only three. Their parents are still living and reported to be in shock. I can’t even imagine how it must be to lose four of your daughters and their husbands in one instant. Unbearable.

Any word on the presents? Asking for a friend.

Good God, what a horrific story. I guess Anderson will cover it in his last segment tonight.

Another family lost two sons - one brother being married to one of the sisters.

R161 is correct. That is horrible weight on the frame even it was reinforced. Also the concept of “mass in motion” is very real. Any driver would have to plan far in advance to decelerate a vehicle like that. Even though commercial drivers do have to pass exams I really doubt the quality of anything resembling emergency training. People that ride in these things have zero idea how big the potential is for fatalities.

This vehicle was built in 2001- that makes it 17years old. Manual Brakes can only be so responsive, which is why massive machines - like aircraft rely on Auto brakes that vastly exceed the limits of human responses.

These vehicles should be illegal. Also I am just horrified at the last moments of these passengers - they had seconds to process the terror. Fuck ANY operator that rents these things out.

^ Yes, I agree. And I was told by locals the road in question is very steep and there have been issues with it before even after they changed the way the bottom just abruptly stops with little notice. Local area residents have complained so town/county officials were aware of the problem but of course nothing was done about it. There should be two stop signs there; one stop sign long before the one that is there as a precaution because the only stop sign that is there is after the fact. So even if the limo had proper breaks, which is doubtful, if the driver wasn’t aware of the sudden stop at the bottom (and my guess is he wasn't aware), then by the time he realized it was there, it was way too late to start breaking.

In the summer of 2015 four young women were killed in Long Island when a stretch limo was unable to stop in time at an intersection. Limos are sometimes taken to aftermarket shops where they are stretched, modified or changed leaving safety standards at risk and both drivers and passengers in danger. Stretching a limo can put the wheels in motion for improper braking and terrible tragedy, like this one.

R171, I believe the driver made an illegal u-turn in that accident. If I'm not mistaken, he might have been charged. The other driver was drunk, but it was total negligence by the limo driver. In this one I'm guessing excessive speed contributed.

The brakes had to have been compromised by the modification of the vehicle. I hope this accident brings an end to these death traps. Unfortunately the GOP will not permit anything that interferes with profit above human safety factors.

Oh god, it just gets fucking worse and sadder. I won't bother linking as the DM links never work, but here is the latest headline on the homepage:

REVEALED: Limo which crashed and killed 20 was a last-minute substitute for a hire van, and one victim messaged her sister to say it was in ‘terrible condition’ just minutes before the tragedy

Also, they 99% weren't wearing seat belts. It would probably have made a big difference in the number of deads had all worn one.

Very sad story.

People joking about it here shows incredibly immaturity or DL has some very nasty, horrible people.

I disagree r176 sometimes black humour can carry us through deeply disturbing situations. Remember this is the DL. About 10 minutes after the second tower fell on 9/11 the jokes started. It is a way of coping for some of us.

Meh. Those parents of the four women shouldn't have bred so much to begin with. Nature corrected itself here.

My sympathies are with the innocent people walking out of the store, not some drunk and spoiled douchebags

R179 is clearly trolling DL.

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R181 eww pitbull owners, too bad their land sharks weren't in the limo as well.

I agree that some of the men look like Trump voters. If so, no great loss.

R177 your a fking lying POS. I do not believe that DL was making jokes only 10 minutes after 9/11.

1. Some of you are horrible, miserable, small human beings.

2. Some of you think you're hystericaly funny, which makes the fact that you're unfunny so much worse.

Worse than pit bull owners. Pit bull BREEDERS. And racist ones to boot.

There are no photos of them with tatts or anything indicating they were pit bull owners.

The women were mostly slender and put together; the men all look like pigs. What's up with that?

One of the posts in the link reads: "This bucket of bolts that the company sent was 17 years old. Are they kidding? Their whole fleet was probably a worn rusty heap pile ready for the junkyard that they were running into the ground. ABC News reported that the last 4 of their 5 vehicles were taken out of service after inspection. I hope that this company and its owners are sued to the hilt and put in prison."

Gross negligence.

There were guests other than the sisters and hubbies in the car. All of these people are on FB.

One of them looks like a roid head with tats. And he’s selling his pit bull puppies and talking about how black people should be targeted by police.

The limo was artificially lengthened. It was cut in half and the middle part was welded on.

Yesterday a local said on a news program that there are numerous signs along the road about the reduced speed limit, and that trucks and heavy load vehicles are prohibited. The driver may have dismissed the signs or thought it did not apply to limos, but any vehicle carrying 18 people is like a bus or a heavy load vehicle.

I read that the limo split in the middle on impact but when I look at the photos it appears to be intact. Damaged but intact. Unless maybe the undercarriage came apart and is not apparent in the photo.

I assume they died upon impact. I just hope it was quick so that they didn't suffer.

Major payday for the family?

R181 was their precious pitty with them? Maybe their pitbull attacked the driver and that's what caused the crash.

I don't get the ire over the funny comments here. If course it's a terrible tragedy, but gallows humour will always prevail.

Now, the mean comments on the other hand are just lazy.

Rich Steenberg, Axel's brother, died in the smash and was supposed to be accompanied by his wife, Kim, who stayed at home because she felt ill, loved ones said online.

The wife is very lucky she came down with the flu.

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r197 is she really lucky? I'll bet she doesn't think so and will probably suffer with survivors guilt for the rest of her life.

Yeah, I'm sure the idea of dying alongside her husband has definitely crossed her mind since this accident occurred.

I can't imagine what opening that limo must have looked like. Did the passengers near the back suffer more than those in the front?

They probably died of blunt trauma from the impact, not to mention getting thrown around as it ran down the hill.

I'd be glad I survived in the case of the wife, especially if they have kids. I doubt I'd feel guilt either, unless I'd organized the trip.

It just doesn’t seem possible that everyone died since the limo looks relatively intact. Something else must have been going on. Can anyone explain this? I mean there have been survivors of plane crashes when they dropped out if the sky.

R202. Its a coverup. One of them probanly had inside info on Kavanaugh. Sad.

[quote]They probably died of blunt trauma from the impact, not to mention getting thrown around as it ran down the hill.

You do not get thrown around driving down a hill, even at 60 mph. Have you never driven before?

I remember reading (not sure if it's fact) that when a car crashes above a certain speed even with seatbelts on you're likely to die on impact. Something about the way your head whips forward basically severs your spinal chord at the neck, causing internal decapitation.

Add to that no seat belts and bring thrown into each other as it ran out of control it was probably inevitable that they'd all die.

R202:

1) there are no survivors when a plane "drops out of the sky". If it lands, even crash-lands, maybe. Not if it drops like a stone (or like KAL flight 007)

2) try putting a bunch of grapes (or apples, or pears...) in a can and rolling it down a a hill at 60mph. Even if it rolls to a stop and doesn't crash into anything, those grapes are mush. And so would a human be. In fact, that was one means of execution in the middle ages.

This is what happens when you marry after labor day. Dam white dresses jinxed them.

If it's out of control the ones in the back were probably getting thrown into the ones facing forward R204, plus it looks like he turned at the bottom of the hill in his attempts to stop. I'm sure they weren't just sat there sipping champers as it was happening.

r201 survivor's guilt is a strange thing. for the longest time I thought it was something you could control. We always see that others shouldn't feel guilty because they lived so I thought they should be able to see it too. Until..............

9/11 happened. I was born and raised a NY'er but moved when I was 25 to another state. When 9/11 happened I was 51 and I felt terrible that I wasn't there. I felt like I had abandoned other NY'ers by being safe somewhere else. It took me a few months to work thru it but I was quite surprised when it happened. I realized that it is not something you control but just is. I feel for others that have survivors guilt.

I do agree that if she has kids it will help her get thru it.

With that many people jammed in there, their bodies should have been like air bags and protected each other.

R210, your being sarcastic right?

I hope he isn't R210, I'm on line for a dozen Krispy Kremes as I type to further pad myself in case of a similar tragedy. Screw the diet, I need to live damnit!

[quote]2) try putting a bunch of grapes (or apples, or pears...) in a can and rolling it down a a hill at 60mph. Even if it rolls to a stop and doesn't crash into anything, those grapes are mush. And so would a human be.

Someone has never taken physics. Grapes, apples, or pears would NOT turn to mush when rolled down a hill and rolls to a stop. And most certainly humans would not turn to mush. You think humans can't travel 60 mph and roll to a stop?

[quote]I hope he isn't [R210], I'm on line for a dozen Krispy Kremes as I type to further pad myself in case of a similar tragedy. Screw the diet, I need to live damnit!

Chrissy Metz would have survived.

Now there's a theory floating around that there may possibly have been a carbon monoxide exhaust leak especially given that the limo was a 17 yr old after-market assembled piece of crap and the driver passed out going down the hill. But then why did he make a sharp turn, seemingly to stop the vehicle? Unless it swerved on its own.

I think it is more likely that the combination of known road safety issues and the brakes failing due to being insufficient for the load, and as a result they were internally decapitated as R205 wrote.

The autopsy reports will determine the actual cause of death. Right now its all speculation. There is no way to arrive at an accurate conclusion because we don't have all of the details.

[quote]The limo was artificially lengthened. It was cut in half and the middle part was welded on.

Cut it in half...and DOUBLE it!

^ How the fuck did it even pass inspection?

Luckily this will never happen to me because I never leave my house.

Yes there are, R187.

This story doesn't make sense. At least a few of them would have survived.

I would tend to agree r220

[quote]Now there's a theory floating around that there may possibly have been a carbon monoxide exhaust leak

I hope that is true and everyone in the van had fallen asleep - like that golfer Paine Stewart's plane where they were all dead inside the cabin and the plane flew for miles before crashing.

Was the limo driver drunk too?

Now all the pit nutters - or "advocates" as they like to call themselves - and other furbaby nutters have descended on their FB pages and are showing more concern for the dogs than the humans left behind. As much as I love my dog I know it's not human. These dogs will bond with their next owner perfectly well - it is not the same as humans losing loved ones.

In any event the pit just turned 2, a rather dangerous age for pit maulings. I wonder which is a worse death - inside a limo or at the mouth of your beloved furbaby?

Now they are saying the limo driver was wearing a Thrive patch while driving.

I usually hate those fighting dogs and the people that own them, R224, but, not everyone can help the humans left behind. If people are offering to take the dogs, then so be it. At least they're offering something useful. But you're right, the dogs will be ok if they're re-homed by "loving" owners. (I think pit owners are deranged, but whatever).

Any way we could get one of these killer party limos up to Wasilla?

I was molested.

What if they brought the dog with them on the limo? And it was so scared by the fast driving that it went feral and killed everyone inside? That's why the police won't say more.

R184–have you not heard that the WTC was an insatiable bottom?

R228 now is NOT the time Lorna

R184 is clueless and should pick a new forum to hang out on.

Oh, r219, the pitie in the duckie onesie looks vicious!

About 5-6 victims, a few of the passenger victims, as well the two bystanders who may have been tourists and not locals, have not yet been identified.

It was also reported that there were no skid marks on the road, only tire marks on the grass.

I also just found out that this accident/tragedy was withheld from the press for almost 24 hours. I realize that they had to get a positive identification on at least one of the victims as that one would lead to the identification of most of the others since they were obviously related/friends. But why wasn't it reported sooner, leaving off the names of the victims pending the usual next of kin notifications?

Anyone know why they waited almost 24 hours to report this tragedy?

Could it have been some sort of toxin-based terror attack? It is odd that NO ONE survived the crash and that the police are being unusually tight-lipped about it. And the NTSB is involved.

Four sisters and their husbands were killed. Feel bad for the parents.

Did the crash happen en route to the birthday party or was it on the return home? How much alcohol had they already consumed? This could have contributed to slower reaction times when the limo crashed.

One of the victims was a Senate employee.

It doe no make sense that all 18 people died.

[quote]“I have five nieces, and now four of them are dead.”

You'd better not get our names mixed up anymore, bitch!

I couldn’t look at the FB page. Looking at photos and dogs so full of life is just too devastating. How will loved ones move on from such a tragedy?

[quote] [R171], I believe the driver made an illegal u-turn in that accident. If I'm not mistaken, he might have been charged

All charges against the limo driver were ordered dropped by a judge because of a technicality. Cops and witnesses agreed the driver of the pickup truck that hit the limo could not stop in time and the accident was the fault of the limo driver who turned into oncoming traffic.

But the pickup truck driver was forced into a plea agreement for DWI even though his blood level alcohol was within normal limits by the time it was taken. He had told cops he had a few beers with lunch. No doubt his lawyers have or will appeal the DWI which resulted in a $500 fine and license suspension for 90 days. Whether he was drunk or not, he couldn’t have stopped in time when the limo pulled in front of him. Since he chose to plea to the DWI, no doubt he is the subject of multiple lawsuits from the 8 people in the limo (4 died, but all passengers are suing).

R234 No skid marks would mean either the driver was not paying to the road and did not even notice the intersection, or that the brakes were completely gone. My guess is that he was not paying attention or perhaps distracted.

They did not wait 24 hours. It was reported Saturday afternoon.

I’m going with carbon monoxide. Explains all the mysteries.

[quote] It doe no make sense that all 18 people died.

It hit at 60 mph. Anyone not in a seat belt got thrown at 60mph into an immovable object. Their bodies may have killed people in the limo who were seatbelted. Plus, I have no doubt there weren’t airbags for 18 people in the limo. It was 17 years old and failed NYS inspection last month.

Btw, the limo at the vineyard on eastern Long Island was a Lincoln town car that was “reconfigured” as a stretch limo to accommodate more passengers. So we really don’t know how the fuck these vehicles are made or “reconfigured”

I posted the carbon monoxide possibility ( R215 ) after reading it on another board. That theory is floating around now since the limo was so old and in poor condition. But if carbon monoxide poisoning was the case they would not have all died at the same time. The driver dying first is not likely given that the exhaust is in the rear. And if so, then why did the driver try to turn the limo as if he were trying to stop it or at least slow it down to regain control? He had to be conscious to maneuver that turn.

[quote] Looking at photos and dogs so full of life is just too devastating. How will loved ones move on from such a tragedy?

Like everyone else does. Even loved ones of those who don't die from partying and poor choices.

Going 60 MPH at a mandatory turn intersection is not survivable.

I think it was aliens. Or it was the Deep State killing young people for satanic reasons

Holy fuck. One of the dead worked for pro-Trump, pro-DeVos, anti-gay senator John Flanagan.

I wonder if he shared the values or his employer or was it just a job to him?

R251, you have to ask? Really?

I’m betting the brakes failed. Going downhill at full speed and hitting an SUV...whammo

Maybe when tourists are killed, or there is the possibility of tourists being killed at a dangerous intersection, the town/county/state might finally fix the problem.

Wedding Crashers

All this fuss. You'd think it was me who died.

Silver lining, r251

It was just reported that this particular limo had also failed inspection along with four of the others and was not supposed to be on the road. Also, the owner knew that the driver was not properly licensed to be driving a stretch limo.

The update also said that way before the crash one of the girls sent a text to a friend saying that the motor was so loud they might all be deaf by the time they got to the brewery.

Instead they were all dead.

People were texting from the limo so sounds like they were alive and awake til crash, not passed out from carbon monoxide.

My guess is distracted driver, either by the crowd or phone. And I doubt any passengers were wearing seatbelts. Crowded limo, no seatbelts and 60 MPH is not a good combo.

r258 Sounds like autocorrect wasn't ready to accept her fate.

A reporter just announced that one person inside the limousine on Saturday survived the initial impact before being pronounced dead at a hospital in Albany.

Some people here say they know the area. I don’t understand the graphics. They say the limo blew a stop sign, came down the hill and into the parking lot of the store, where it hit an SUV. Yet we see the limo in what looks like a shallow dip in woods. It looks like it’s at the side of a roadway.

Can someone explain that? Did the limo blow into the SUV, then through the parking lot and into woods?

Link to what r258 is saying.

The limo failed inspection and wasn't supposed to be on the road, and the driver did not have the proper license to be driving the veicle.

It’s kind of amazing the limo is in one piece. You’d think it would be a lot more smashed up than it is. It isn’t even crumpled or dented and you can see some windows intact. The other windows look like they were cleared of glass by rescuers.

I guess God needed 17 more angels.

R264 Some news reports are saying that it did crack or break in half but it sure looks intact from the photos.

I doubt this owner had much insurance, if the premiums were even paid. If criminal act involved insurance probably wouldn't pay. Probably not much in the way of assets either. Are any children left behind the dead? And, no, I don't mean their fucking dogs.

One was a Deplorable, racist, Breitbart spewing POS. No angel. Prob others were too since someone was good enough friends with an open racist to add him to the ride.

And I’d be shocked if the limo company was properly insured. And any insurance policy prob wouldn’t cover a pieced together car driven by someone without the proper license.

[quote]Are any children left behind the dead?

Yes, at least a few of the dead were parents.

It will be interesting to find out more about the owners of the limo. We already know they were shoddy on maintenance. Wonder what other shit is in their orbit.

Limo companies are usually mob owned. You can transport a lot of contraband in a stretch limo, claiming boxes and cases are music equipment for a wedding band

You better sssh about the deplorable stuff. Twitter conservatives will do a search, find it and paste it all over showing how horrible “the left is.

How do you know that, R268?

I guess I am too. I have a partner who I like being with, and friends to see on occasion, but I'm on my own a lot too and can be perfectly content. The hard part is work, since I have to be around a bunch of people everyday. They all get along great, laughing and joking and knowing each others personal business. I'm odd man out, and keep to myself. It depresses me to be at work. I worry as being perceived as the weirdo and hated for it. It would be easier to be just like everyone else.

FB.

And I’m not saying these poor people deserved to die, esp in this awful way. But I don’t consider racists to be good people.

I actually feel very badly that these victims were Trying to do the right thing by not drinking and driving. And it went this way for them.

There still has to be another explanation why everyone died. It defies reason, comprehension and yes the laws of physics since the limo was obviously not demolished.

Hmmm... So much sympathy for these people and outrage re "gallows" humor, while there is just the opposite for similar stories.

Internal decapitation for sure. 60+mph, slamming into another vehicle then launching into a deep brook that slams a second time into a tall bank wall. Dead on impact. Reminder - Princess Diana barely survived her impact due to torn arteries - and she had seat back that absorbed her impact.

I hope the company owners all go to prison for life. Also I hope that these vehicles are outlawed.

The owner of the limo company was a informant for the FBI.

[Quote] The owner of the limousine company, Shahed Hussain, is a former informant for the F.B.I. who has testified in two prominent terrorism cases, a law enforcement official confirmed. The official suggested that his son may be running the day-to-day operations of the company. Mr. Hussain, posing as a wealthy Muslim radical, was the central prosecution witness in a 2004 federal sting focusing on a pizzeria owner and an imam at an Albany mosque. In 2010, Mr. Hussain, who posed as a terrorist, played a key role in trying the government’s case in a plot to blow up two synagogues in the Bronx.

[Quote] He became an F.B.I. informant after being charged in 2002 with a scheme involving taking money to illegally help people in the Albany area get driver’s licenses.

MMhmm, SUSPICIOUS!

Well this suddenly got real interesting. Given the limo company owner and driver’s background , it could have been a possible terrorist attack. And Muslim is a religion of piece.

So they used a crook to catch crooks, then he went back to being a crook

Just a shoddy business owner and a scammer, probably, R281.

That's a twist that the deplorables will love and run with.

So should we blame the deplorable passengers, the negligent company owner or the lush driver? It is very frustrating when there's a story like this that lacks clear answers.

[quote]it could have been a possible terrorist attack. And Muslim is a religion of piece.

It isn't possible for me to roll my eyes hard enough.

Ambiguous "perfect storms" such as this end up with something for everyone, r286.

No doubt Faux News will bang on about the info posted in r280 whether it is relevant or not (like r282, the illiterate village idiot.)

Shady business flouting regulations meets group of people looking to get their booze on. It happens.

[quote] You better sssh about the deplorable stuff. Twitter conservatives will do a search, find it and paste it all over showing how horrible “the left is.

It's about time normal sane people became horrible enough to defeat the right. You don't win wars be=y being all nice and polite. We need a new Americanized SOE.

And why would anyone reveal the informant status? That is reprehensible and maybe illegal depending on how the info was obtained.

Four sisters died. How terrible for that family and the other families that lost their sons, daughters. Two bystanders in the parking lot died, too. Terrible accident.

I need pictures and proper diagrams.

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[quote] We need a new Americanized SOE.

????

Dear god the tin hats have descended and are running amok - as usual in DL. It actually makes sense that an informant would have been relocated or chosen to relocate in a very remote part of the state.

I haven't read the thread and I'm sure it's been said (my best Dr. Seuss ) - it was a party limo so probably no one was belted in. Everyone inside probably died from blunt force trauma.

Apparently, as far as the safety inspection, it was failure of the single muffler-belt system. A vehicle that long is required to have two. Additionally, when they "stretch" these vehicles, they cut the frames. The filler parts to connect the frame pieces again are usually just bolted together and/or spot welded. These stretched vehicles have no frame strength. They will fold even in small accidents.

How can that science project car making be allowed? Are these stretch limo SUVs ever legitimately made?

Kind of wondering how cops let them drive around.

There's a Pakistan connection! To Obama!!!

seeing who the owner is explains a lot if they are Middle Eastern. that part of the world has no value on life. so it would make sense that money means far more to them than people. would you be driving your own car if it didn't pass inspection never mind 18 strangers?

That's what a lot of people said about the driver and the owner of the trucking company involved in the Humboldt bus crash earlier this year. On that case, the driver wasn't properly trained and the company had trouble meeting regulations.

Certainly white people never prioritize profit over all else r299.

Fucking christ.

Of course we don't R301.

Corruption is everywhere in America, at every level. Limo fails inspection? No problem. Use it anyway. Twenty people die? Plead the case down to a couple of misdemeanors, pay a fine, donate to judge’s political campaign.

"Eliminate all regulation now!"

Thank you, R292. That's the best diagram I've seen so far. I'm on my way to investigate.

R293, link to primer. Damn do they not teach history anymore? At some point you realize the rules of engagement were written by the enemy and you say fuck it!

Profit over safety and regulations... and it's going to get worse in the years to come, especially with trump.

If the SUV limo looked & sounded unsafe why the fuck did they get into it anyway?

^ I read that the safe, newer van they requested and paid for broke down. I don't know if they were stranded and called into the limo office and they sent someone out with this pieced together, outdated hunk of junk or exactly what happened. But as I understand it they did not originally agree to or get into this noisy piece of crap at the start of the trip.

R151, that wasn't a very nice thing to say.

r309 You are new here, and you are a frau. Stifle.

R308, I read they had reserved the party bus, but that it was not available at the last minute and this limo was substituted. Even though they knew it looked and sounded bad, because of the bait and switch they didn’t really have much of a choice but to get in.

They were either drinking already or planning to drink. And there were 17 of them - not all going to pile in one car even if they had a designated driver. And the other party bus was broken down.

Just a horrible series of events and minor decisions that led to a terrible tragedy (from victims perspectives). The company, on the other hand, sounds sketchy as hell.

Sp many unanswered questions about this disaster. But a few things have come to light. The limo company was sleazy and disreputable, operating out of some cheap hotel. The driver didn't have a proper license. The limos were in crummy shape. My question is this: didn't these people do any investigating at all when it came to hiring a limo company? Did they just go with the cheapest one they could find without bothering to find out anything else about it? If they'd been more selective when choosing a limo things might have turned out different.

One woman, in the limo, texted to her mother, or sister, that the vehicle was shoddy... it seemed not safe. Twenty minutes later, the crash happened.

R313.. My understanding was that the group hired a bus, but there was a problem.. so, at the last minute, the limo was substituted.

Yeah, it's really to bad that they didn't all just get a few Uber/Lyft SUVs to get around in. At least those cars are supposedly not allowed to be so old. I'm thinking its going to come down to this unsafe vehicle having too much weight in it and the brakes failing.

i just googled that intersection and there clearly is a stop sign. Also saw a sign saying the speed limit was 50 mph so cars doing 60 is probably not that uncommon. I thought it was downhill? 50mph limit is quite fast.

Yeah the hill couldn't be that bad or the speed limit would be lower.

Let this be a lesson to people that get into hired vehicles if it doesn’t look or seem safe don’t get in! These people should’ve trusted their initial judgment and not of gotten the vehicle.

What would Squi and Donkey Dong Dave have done?

Sorry if this is already posted upthread

The limo failed the DMV inspection last month and the driver was not legally licensed to drive it.

^^^^ of course it was. there's 321 comments on here. pick another category to post in doofus. how about tv show furniture?

Take a limo ride R322. My treat.

R321 is too important to actually read the thread. She just likes to post!

Meow. Retract your claws kittens and let’s get back to discussion of the Apple Barrel Tragedy.

Sorry if this has already been posted but apparently there was a car crash!

Does anyone know what happened?

i know you’re a fucktard R327

Since I don't know much about limos I'd like to ask this question: is it customary for that many people to be packed into one? Seventeen people in one vehicle that's not a bus seems excessive.

The fascist subreddit The_Donald is mad about this thread.

R321, the North won the Civil War and man also landed on the moon!

It only got two replies thankfully r330. Last thing we need is keep getting more outside right wing trolls to come here.

The driver was not licensed to drive the vehicle. He should have had a truck drivers license, and did not.

The limo failed a mechanical check and the company was told to take it out of service.

The limo company owner is out of the country, the company says.

R184: Don’t take our word for it, ask the Library of Congress.

[quote]The driver was not licensed to drive the vehicle. He should have had a truck drivers license, and did not. The limo failed a mechanical check and the company was told to take it out of service.

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Who the FUCK cares. Stop posting in this thread and go register to vote or walk children in nature. This whole fucking circus we call a country has careened off of a cliff, and we are in freefall. The terrible, crunchy landing is coming soon. Our methods for mitigating the impending catastrophe hinge on you actually participating in society, rather than posting conspiracy, Magnum PI shit on an anonymous message board. Stop what you are doing and get some fucking perspective.

The owner is some character— fled pakistan because of a murder charge there then got caught up in fraud here then became an fbi informant. Of course he is out of the country.

The limo owner operated out of the back of a motel. Those dead idiots went cheap and they died because of it.

You get what you pay for.

^ They did not. You didn't read the thread. Get your facts straight before posting what you think is fact.

They reserved a mini bus but at the last minute there were some mechanical issues with the bus and they got bait and switched to this old heap of a limo that failed safety inspections.

I just saw a news report that talked about the motel issue.

What is R336 on about?

R336 needs a Snickers.

Boston has a “Chinese’ Luck Star bus line that runs from Chinatown to NYC and is incredibly cheap. $25 round trip. I don’t know how they stay in business since the drivers always seem to be unqualified and new, the equipment breaks down, they have accidents.

Even though they got bait and switched at the last minute for the limo, the party bus still would have been from the same operating-out-of-a-motel shady ass company. Who’s to say the bus would have been any safer to be flying down the hill? They still went cheap and booked transportation from a sketchy crew.

They were young people. What do you expect? High end? Wisdom of Solomon? Get serious, you stupid & mean old men.

This always happens r345. People always need to find some way to blame the victim.

Though the "operated out of a motel" thing is weird for, as if they went window shopping, this is obviously something that was booked online.

They were young, but not THAT young. They weren’t 20 or 25 year olds. The youngest of the sisters was 30 and the oldest 35. They are old enough to know not to rent from such a cheap business of ill-repute!

Every party bus company is some cheap business of ill repute. You just need someone to drive you from point A to point B, normally that is going to work out fine.

Honestly though, it was probably one or two of the them that booked this limo service. The others probably assumed all was good. As far as when they got there, I would've probably just got in too despite fears. You're not thinking anything will actually happen.

[quote]They were young people. What do you expect? High end? Wisdom of Solomon? Get serious, you stupid & mean old men.

Hey, idiot R345. The "stupid and mean old men" you're trying to insult were once their ages and did stupid things too, but guess what?

We're still alive.

That limo is in one piece. So please lay off the technical mumbo jumbo about struts and supports etc,etc,etc. People survive 60 mile an hour crashes all the time,I still cant believe every single one of them died because of the crash.Internal decapitation was mentioned upthread,but if they werent stationary wouldnt they have been less apt to be jerked hard enough to snap their necks? I would also think with so many bodies cushioning others as they bounced around at least a few would have lived. The sad thing is,we can speculate till the cows come home,but if the powers that be dont want you to know the truth,you never will. I aint buying that every single one of them died because of the wreck,not with the limo so intact that even the windows werent shattered.

I don’t understand why everyone died too. Ev n the horrendous Diana crash had a survivor.

[Quote],but if the powers that be dont want you to know the truth,you never will.

Yes dear, it is all a big conspiracy by the Illuminati.

As if we have to be reminded after Mateen and Santiago what a FUCKING BUNCH OF IDIOTS your FBI is.

Comey, San Bernadino couples iphones they couldn't hack wasting time taking Apple to court.

I'm burning up. On fire! $96K to a foreign criminal who set up 4 Americans and the FBI fell for it. Chumps! They let this swarthy fucker drag our own citizens with entrapment and WE paid for it! Fuming so hot I can't even see trait.

Revamp law enforcement and the FBI, America or they will be our undoing in a myriad of US issues.

Start by reducing retirement benefits for past sins! Especially for whoever hired this crooked skivatz Paki as an informant!

Whaaa????

Seems to me the crummy limo might have gotten them where they needed to go if the inept driver hadn't been speeding like crazy. Was he drunk? On drugs? I'm interested in knowing what the toxicology reports will say. He barreled right through a stop sign; what the fuck was wrong with him?

R356, driver got popped on drug charges this decade. Once while driving. 2010, 2013. A real stunad this one.

Speaking of stunads, get a load of R6

Any chance the brakes simply failed?

And although the death count seems staggering, in a limo of this type you are usually seated sideways. I doubt anyone was wearing seat belts. What might have been survivable in usual car seating could be lethal with those two factors taken into consideration.

I remember going on a winery tour with friends to celebrate an engagement and they hired a Lincoln stretch. it was oddly claustrophobic. There must have been at least 16 passengers. The driver treated the car as if it and everything in it was made of eggshells.

At least one of the passengers (female) was alive at crash scene but died after.

R18, R19 dumb bitter losers. You hear yourself.

R20, racial preoccuption troll. Close though, he was Italian.

Calm down, ginzos. It's a joke, ya mooks.

Seeing the 4 supposed terrorists this limo owner informed on and entrapped on our dime is funny yet maddening. FBI caught again!! Fucking Bimbo Imbeciles more like.

Such a sad story. Feel so sorry for the families. They were not attractive, though. Maybe some of the guys were hung.

Horrible accident. The poor families. Children left orphaned, parents losing four daughters, I simply cannot imagine their grief and shock. The orphans don't even have their mom's sisters to help raise them. From what I read they were a very close family celebrating the youngest sister's 30th birthday.

Being the nosy parker that I am I checked real estate prices in Amsterdam NY where most of them grew up and still lived. Beautiful old homes at very low prices.

R238. I told you bitches. This is a cover up of the highest order.

R341 old black racial preoccupation troll obsessed with hating whites, asians and Angelina Jolie. Pesty troll from Dlisted and other gossip and news sites. Children in nature was an old Jolie quote from over 7 years ago. Stir crazy shut-in.

R366, walking children in nature is from the reunion show from the first season of RuPaul’s Drag Race. Tammie Brown said it

Fuck yes r366 ✊

The driver was an FBI formanant. Could this be a mob hit getting creative.

I thought the same thing, R264, the limo is remarkably intact.

r268 r275, you said he was a racist, deplorable, piece of shit, of course you think he deserved to die, own it! Don't be like that dumb cunt Kathy Griffin who apologized and looked like a fucking asshole for doing that and so doubled down on the crazy and now won't fucking shut up. We know how you really feel, don't sugarcoat, be mean like the SOE guy said.

Why can'e people believe they all died. Why is that so difficult. 'Because many people survive 60 mph crashes." Yes, yes they do. And, many people die as well. Maybe it's rare that that they would all day, but hardly unbelievable. What's your theory. Mutual combat?

Why can't ...

This thread has turned into a limo wreck.

I read somewhere the motor ended up in the passenger section. It plowed through the front to the back. Might partly explain why everyone died.

Now THAT would make sense R375 ! Horrific though the thought is.

Oh thank God we’ve figured it out.

I grew in near Schohaire and know this intersection well. I immediately believed these people were most likely racist white Trump voters. I keep trying to feel even a little bit of compassion but I can’t. I don’t have any proof they’re Republicans except......come on it’s Schohaire! I guess I’m a monster.

And pit lovers and breeders. Don't forget that. So. of course, they had the judgement of shit for brains.

I thought that the story was that the owner of the company fled Pakistan b/c his life was in danger there. But now, he flew right back. What was odd to me was that on Monday the phones were already disconnected, would have to have been set in motion prior to Saturday. Curious when he left the country. Was he threatened? Narking on or entrapping dangerous men upstate seems like a risky endeavor, it is possible that the brakes were tampered with?

What happened?

Yeah, just stop with the “sped through a stop sign” complaint, would you, please! It was a T-stop. Beyond the stop sign was an embankment. Its like citing a driver for driving over a curbstone which is immediately before a concrete wall. “But the driver sped over a curbstone, so fuck him!” Obviously, the car was already out of control when it went through the intersection.

Look, I need one of those CSI motion diagrams for this shit. I just can't picture where the parked car was, how the "Limo" deflected or how the two pedestrians got hit.

All the men look 110% like Trumptards!

The women are prob more liberal but quiet about politics like all good wives are. I bet as single women they express their views more.

Ehhh...

If it is revealed that the voted for Trump, then good riddance!

I doubt the women would be any more liberal, R384, after all many white women voted for Trump. They're adults, not babies and chose to be with the men they married. I don't know about all of the victims or their political views, but one of them worked for NY senator Flanagan who is anti-gay and pro-Trump. Regardless of their politics, these people tried to do the right thing by not drinking and driving and look what happened. No one deserves to die this way.

Trump supporters get whatever bad things come to them.

Did they check the engine for evidence of Secret Lesbians? They have killed before.

R388 one was evidently seen crabwalking away

I have not visited since posting my prescient thoughts at R70 and was (not) surprised to learn the Limo Co. owner is Muslim. I am more and more convinced that I must listen closer to my inner thoughts.

#notanaccident

The people in the limo weren't hot or sexy or important enough to be an October surprise.

R391 Hi Mr President, I see you have stumbled onto data lounge.

This is a horrible accident...

But the fact that they were likely deplorables makes it bearable.

[quote] Being the nosy parker that I am I checked real estate prices in Amsterdam NY where most of them grew up and still lived. Beautiful old homes at very low prices.

um, because no one fucking wants to live in those boondocks. Upstate NY is a dying place because everyone realizes there's no opportunity at all there. Conservatives love to show how upstate NY is all red during election time, but they neglect to tell you there are more cows than people there.

Who’s the tard who keeps banging on that the local people going to a party at a local brewery hired a local limousine company and didn’t do research? They ordered a party bus, they weren’t crossing the channel and storming Omaha Beach. The address was the street address of the motel and did not mention that the address was a motel. Do you do google street searches when you hire an Uber to see where the driver lives?

Plus, there have been maybe a dozen limousine fatalities over the past 5 years nationwide as opposed to the tens of thousands of private car fatalities during that time period. The state has inspection standards. They are supposed to pull over cars with outdated inspection stickers. Nobody who orders a bus (which is what they ordered) is going to get info on whether or not the bus has passed inspection. Anyway, the bus never showed up and a limo was substituted. They were going to a place they’d all been before, not trekking cross country. They weren’t expecting a limo that failed inspection or an unlicensed driver. Due to state safety standards, one expects a car service to be within those standards or the state should have stepped in and closed the place down.

Anyone know which brewery they went to?

They didn’t go to a brewery. There was a problem....and there was nuttin we could do about it.

You guys are so fkin stupid. So Trump voters deserve to die a vicious death. Get real. I could see if you bitches were making witty jokes but your dead serious. Some of you must havent been fucked in ages.

I'm sorry but there is something we are not being told about this accident. Details are positively and unusually scarce and the only photo of the limo shows it completely intact. But all 18 people inside died?! It's a real life Agatha Christie mystery.

Someone said the engine ended up in the back seat, that clears it up for me how they all died.

This is some Final Destination shit.

It is some Final Destination shit!

The exhaust pipe was probably what made all the noises they heard. Just from that they could’ve died. But then they also crash wo seatbelts AND the engine flies back hitting everyone? Surprised it don’t blow up in addition to everything!

Only if prussic acid was involved, r399.

There was a thread recently about quaint upstate NY cities...I said Schoharie.

What was on their iPods?

"And if a double decker bus crashes into us, to died by your side is such a heavenly way to die. And if a ten ton truck (or limo) kills the both of us, to die by your side, well the pleasure and the privilege is mine."

So there is nothing new on this?

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Looks like D'artagnan in the center row.

[quote]9/11 happened. I was born and raised a NY'er but moved when I was 25 to another state. When 9/11 happened I was 51 and I felt terrible that I wasn't there. I felt like I had abandoned other NY'ers by being safe somewhere else. It took me a few months to work thru it but I was quite surprised when it happened. I realized that it is not something you control but just is. I feel for others that have survivors guilt.

R209 is undoubtedly the most self involved poster I've seen here, and that's saying a whole fucking lot.

I think 9-11 was a shock for many of us. I was so sad. I thought there’d have been 50,000 dead, as the towers accommodated that many.

r410 Ha, I noticed that post too and rolled my eyes. And you better believe that though he hadn't lived there for over half his life, he was inserting himself into every conversation about 9/11. I just hope it hurts less every day, he can totally see where the wife who bowed out of the limo ride due to a cold is coming from, maybe he can call and counsel her.

In 2000/2001 I had a co-worker who was from New York, I'm in Colorado. I knew that she was from NY because she brought it up every chance she got: "When I worked in New York" "When I lived in New York" "Did you know that in New York" and so on.

When 9/11 hit she was beyond catatonic. Everyone was understandably traumatized when it happened and we thought we were going to have to take her to the emergency room.

A few months later I asked her if she knew anyone who was personally affected by 9/11 given that's where she was from, and she didn't. Not a cousin, not a former co-worker, nobody.

I wonder if she's R209.

A FEW UPDATES:

According to some news reports the limo was listed for sale on Craigslist a few days before the crash.

The Albany News reports that the autopsies were completed this morning and the bodies have all been transported to funeral homes in Amsterdam.

They said they will reveal the results of the autopsies in the near future. My guess is a week or so after the funeral/burial.

"You guys are so fkin stupid. So Trump voters deserve to die a vicious death. Get real. I could see if you bitches were making witty jokes but your dead serious. Some of you must havent been fucked in ages.."

Right. Deplorables would never wish Hillary voters dead and make light of their tragedies. No, not at all.

I don’t think they deserve to die because they voted for Trump. I don’t care very much about their deaths because they are surely are the typical white rural Upstate NY idiots that vote Republican because black people. (And the Mexicans. And the gays. And of course those awful terrorist Muslims.)

Well they won't have to worry about black, Mexican, or Muslim people anymore.

Just search YT. The theories of some or some of the posters are unreal.

They may be surprised at just how many blacks, Mexicans and Muslims are up in heaven already

[quote] There was a thread recently about quaint upstate NY cities...I said Schoharie

Schoharie is a city like the Catskills are the Himalayas

[quote] And of course those awful terrorist Muslims.)

There are lots of Muslims in upstate NY. Lockport and other areas have strong Muslim populations. For some reason Muslim immigrants tend to settle in areas close to the Canadian border.

Meanwhile, a Libertarian would say that everything will be ok because the dead people’s families can sue, which will discourage other scumbags from running death traps as limos.

So, it’s all good, apparently. I learned this on DataLounge.

I dropped my finest Royal Doulton China.

@starsandstripes

U.S. Marine Corps veteran Michael Ukaj among those killed in New York limo crash

You fkin new yorker and 9/11 bashers are scum of the earth. Just die already. Fuck you all. You are nothing. Nothing. Nothing at all Fkin hide behind your computers. You are lucky I cant track you down and beat the shit out of you.

Lol, go away

Profits will be up for the funeral home operators of Amsterdam, NY. They’re going to make serious bank.

R426, you go away you ignorant, trollish ass bitch.

I don't see anyone here bashing 9/11.

I'm not going to feed the REAL troll but it's unusual for posters here to threaten to beat up each other...

[quote] You are lucky I cant track you down and beat the shit out of you.

You’re trying too hard. Too hammy. Its an Entry Level Troll attempt. Datalounge is embarrassed we attract such amateurs.

This post being linked to r/the_donald is probably what attracted one of their drones here.

As usual republican operatives and their cheerleaders as well as the usual anti-gay anti-progressive trolls continue to try to pass themselves off as regular denizens of DL.

So transparent.

No republican operatives come here. The traffic isn't high enough. As usual, hysterical marys label anyone with some balls-- republican. What in my post is even antigay, cocksucker. Now I'm being ironic you cunt.

R434 is just like an angry little puppy. So cute when he huffs and puffs!

R434= ScrappyDoo

Better thread title: Upstate NY Limo Crash

WW R240

Any updates?

R439, they're all still dead.

Oh no!

The son who runs the company is in custody. The father who owns the company, is in Pakistan, and I doubt they will send him back.

If the father doesn’t come back, the DA won’t offer the son any plea deals & the son will go to jail. I’m betting g the father will come back to prevent his son from going to the big house. If the fa5ber returns they’ll get suspended sentences, probation and fines.

Hmm...if the son was in charge of the day to day shit and knew about how bad that car was, he fucking deserves it and I hope his dad doesn't split the rap with him.

Doesn't anybody care about the driver? Not even his employers? What's his story?

The story of the driver is that he knew he shouldn’t be driving that limo because he wasn’t licensed.

I don't know if this is true/accurate but I read that the driver was licensed to drive up to 14 people. That was his cut-off. He was pressured to take these 17 passengers, three over the limit, and also even though the limo had failed safety inspections because there was no one else available and no other bus/limo available that would accommodate all of them. I realize he could have said "no" (and get fired) but he didn't. I think the owner is the mean, money-hungry, bully type. Until I hear otherwise I think the driver is also a victim. BTW & FWIW, the driver is Italian-American, not Muslim or whatever he was called.

As far as the son, his father may have ordered him to keep quiet. We don't have those details. The owner of the limo company is a murderer and should spend the rest of his life in prison. Not sure about the owner's son but the driver is also a victim. Authorities may have charged the son with minimal evidence as a way to force his father to return to the US.

But maybe the owner is just in name only? I mean obviously he should be on top of shit that bears his name and his insurance but maybe he didn't know.

^ The owner of the limo service is still responsible because he is supposed to know.

If I owned a rollercoaster ride in My Name Enterprises I would need to be on top of the safety inspections and safety ratings even if I was never around to visually inspect the ride myself. If someone died on the rollercoaster due to ignoring safety warnings/negligence, or a malfunction that could have been prevented, it would be my fault. If the rider stood up on the ride then it would be their fault that they were injured or died. Otherwise, barring those kinds of scenarios, I would be the responsible party. But, the limo owner is responsible even if he didn't live in NY. Again, not sure about the son or if they are pinning blame on him to get the father to return to the US.

Any word on the causes of death?

r447 his father is an FBI asset who was "run" by them. In other words, he was allowed to go about his business, which can include running a criminal enterprise, hatching a terror plot, or ignoring safety regulations. Western agencies are notorious for this-Lee Rigby's killer in the UK was an asset. Allegedly the Tsarnaeyev (sp?) brothers were, too. Before their mother fled to one of the Stans, she literally said that.

R451 what?? The Stans? Literally said what? Why did your mother flee, was she a terrorist?!

Joint funeral services held today for some of the victims, including the four sisters who died in the crash

[quote] [R451] what?? The Stans? Literally said what? Why did your mother flee, was she a terrorist

Native English speaker here and I have no problem understanding what R451 said.

What is so perturbing to you, R452?

Yeah I got it too r452, one of the Stans, like Pakistan.

I assumed Turkmenistan. It makes... No.. sense! Why did she flee?

I imagine she fled because her fucking sons were notorious in the US for blowing up an old Boston tradition, people would maybe look to take it out on her?

R425=Internet Tough Guy.

PUSSY.

[quote]I don’t think they deserve to die because they voted for Trump.

Yes they do, R416. Losing that many Repug voters is GREAT!

That is one funeral i wouldn't want to go to.

Who was the person that was pulled out alive but died later?

^ They have not yet released the name of that victim. But it was reported that, although he/she was pulled out barely alive, they were unconscious and so near death that they died a moment later being placed in the ambulance. I had also heard that a Medics attempt to perform CPR outside the limo was futile since it was obvious upon sight that he/she wasn't going to survive, possibly due to extensive injuries that were so severe survival would have been possible.

If that's true and accurate then he/she was not DOA. They were still considered dead at the scene, meaning no survivors at the scene, instead of only one survivor who was DOA and/or died later at the hospital. I don't know if we will ever get the details, at least those that are accurate, along with the actual cause of death, which I think is most likely internal decapitation.

How horrible.

R458. Text me your address bitch. Let me know anytime you want this work.

I don't understand.

R460, there are funerals you WOULD like to attend?

OMG!!!! According to R375, all the passengers might have lived had the engine gone back to front. For once doo-doo cooch would have saved people.

UPDATE: "Investigators announced the autopsy results Friday afternoon. They say multiple severe traumatic blunt force injuries killed all 20 of the victims in the Oct. 6 tragedy."

BTW, that includes the two pedestrians.

It was also said that they all died instantly and no one suffered, which I hope is true rather than they suffered before dying. But that part we'll never know for sure as they may not have wanted the family to know that they suffered for a few minutes (what would be the point) before they died as opposed to being knocked out in an instant and never knowing what hit them. Toxicology reports are still pending.

This is the most bizarre accident ever. These souls died of "severe blunt force trauma" but that limo is in one piece other than the driving compartment. When someone dies from severe blunt force trauma in a plane crash, the plane is generally destroyed or in pieces.

I am lost on this one.

I tend to believe the theory about the engine flying through the limo- As that is the only way all of these people could have died.

And is internal decapitation considered "severe blunt force trauma"??

R469 I don't know if this helps, but you know how in car racing, when there is a crash and pieces of the car go flying everywhere? And you are certain that the poor driver is toast, but he's fine? The flying pieces are actually taking energy away from the interior force of the impact. That the limo was almost totally intact means the energy on impact was far greater to the unrestrained passengers who would have banged into each other and/or the interior of the limo upon impact. Add to that the engine shunting, and, well, it is just fucking tragic. The "didn't feel a thing/death was instantaneous" is often told to families by authorities as a comfort.

R470, Thank you- your explanation is great.

So basically the force of each others unrestrained bodies essentially colliding with each other (and whatever was inside of the limo) is what caused their deaths. That is somehow so bizarre to contemplate but actually makes sense. I cannot imagine what those rescuers found, and I am guessing they were shocked as well.

bang

OMG R472!! OMG!!!

Yep. R469 / R473 That is what I was trying to describe. Dear god, those poor first responders...

That video was a great find. Those poor people. Their poor families.

The video did not address the issue of the brakes not being upgraded to handle the additional weight, likely a factor in NY.

I don't know if this is true as I heard it yesterday from someone who knew someone who knew one of the first responders. I live in NY, btw. He said when they first opened the limo doors it was the most horrific scene ever. A few victims either had an arm ripped off or partially torn, and one of the victims' hand was completely severed, and one was decapitated. He said they all had broken bones. So aside from internal decapitation at least one was actually decapitated. Again, I didn't hear this directly from the first responder. He told someone who told a friend of mine so I don't know if its accurate but doubt they would have repeated it if it wasn't.

They also said, exact words, "They were bouncing around in there smashing against the hard surfaces and each other like a BB in a boxcar." That is how he described the last few seconds of their lives. He said most died instantly upon impact and a few others died within seconds. If they didn't die instantly they died relatively quick as opposed to laying there suffering and bleeding out for a few minutes aware of what had happened. Absolutely horrible. I feel so bad for the families. I don't know how you move on after a tragedy like this.

BTW, I have not and will not post this anywhere else as the families might see it, although they've probably been told the details. Highly unlikely they would see it on here though. They were cautioned not to search online for comments as they were warned some people were downright cruel and thoughtless with their comments. I know that because I read it in a reply in one of the comment sections in a news article from one of the mothers who lost a son in the limo crash. She was angry that a deranged poster was blaming all of the deceased for not refusing the limo and waiting for one that was safe. So some of the family members are reading comments but seriously doubt they'd be here on the DL.

I wonder if people should put the date in the title when they say "BREAKING NEWS" - given this is two weeks old now.

It was the main thread. Its either that or have everyone bitch that I started a duplicate thread-

Oh my comment wasn't directed to anyone... just random thoughts about how these threads pop up all the time on many topics.

Thank you r476 I do indeed hope that there was as little suffering as possible. I worry for the living at this point, especially the kids of the victims.

R477 sure, you go right ahead and figure out how to do that. We bitched enough early on upthread about how this thread was named. If it gets to 600 and it likely will,the second thread will be titled more accurately. I hope you will be able to sleep at night with this reassurance.

R468, I’ve never heard of an autopsy report that read “they suffered miserably for quite a long time before slowly watching each other die, one by one, until only the dying driver was left. Oh, and each one pooped their pants, too.”

What was the combined weight of the heifers in the limo?

40 years ago when I learned how to drive, I heard about the engine coming into the driver’s section and crushing your legs, in an accident.

This is too gruesome to read in full. jesus.

After watching the crash test video I definitely thought they would have been scrambled. Reading R476's post confirmed that.

I wouldn't be surprised if relatives find this thread. It's already been circulated on Reddit.

R485 Can Redditors delete their own posts R485 ? If so, and your are one yourself, perhaps you could persuade them or the mods to delete any link to this thread?

Yikes that crash test video could really put a dent in the limo business if they showed it in Health Class just prior to the prom.

It was freakish.

R485 / R486 I hope they can delete the links to this thread because there are some really nasty comments way upthread. Given the "Breaking News" thread title it probably wouldn't surface but link it and they will see what some really mean people posted upthread and early in the thread too.

[quote] I don't know if this is true as I heard it yesterday from someone who knew someone who knew one of the first responders. I live in NY, btw.

Yeah, I remember someone heard something from someone who knew somebody back in the Aunt Diane thread who told all kinds of lies, including that her limbs were severed and scattered about. Meanwhile, we had actual accident photos and a coroners report. Her limbs were not severed. Keep a jaundiced eye when you read these “I know somebody who knows someone who said that something happened.”

R481 No one suggested that would be included in an autopsy report. I guess reading comprehension isn't your strong point. What was included in the autopsy report is quoted. It's in quotes numbie. Pooped. WTF? Go back on your meds, darling. Or stop drinking.

The DL weekend drunken trolls have arrived.

This thread is not that bad at all, by DL standards.

So many bitter unhappy queens shitting on these beautiful smiling friendly men. You should all be in therapy (not with Matt though - too triggering)

F&F and Blocked you at 476.

**I cannot see your 489 490 491 or 492 posts either** or any of the other 18 disgusting, ugly comments posted upthread. Since you are the only poster I have blocked I can see how you shit all over a few other threads and derailed one. But do keep posting so when you sober up you can see what a fool you are when you're drunk and trolling. Or maybe you don't need to be drunk to be an asshole.

I suggest you take leave of this thread if it is too much for you r495. I can see all of the posts you mentioned and you are reading into things that aren't there. I also suggest that you take a Xanax, have a drinkie-poo and calm the fuck down.

The Reddit link to here was in the donald trump sub, when people here said it's good they died since they were trump voters, it was pretty fucked up but I doubt anyone is coming here from there, esp. their families. I want to always talk about logistics so I hope they aren't here. That video was crazy. I have been trying to wrap my head around "how" also. That's why I like DL, we can talk about that kind of stuff.

The deaths from trauma is from the high impact banging against the inside of the car or each other. That's why seat belts are so important because they keep you from flying around inside a car crash and minimize your injuries. Stretch limos tend not to have them and few would out them on in a limo party atmosphere anyway.

Yeah, but if you’re wearing a seatbelt and no one else is, you’re still gonna die when they hit you at high impact while you’re strapped into your seat. That would be my luck because I automatically put a seat belt on as soon as I get into a car, without even thinking.

I wonder why no one seems to have interviewed anyone who saw the accident. There was a whole crowd of people at that apple stand.

^ Really, I hadn’t heard that!

Karma is a bitch.

Were they fuckin in the limo when it crashed

They died horrible deaths. Limo ended up almost intact, yet no survivors with severe injuries.

We were just talking the other day about this horrible accident and wondering how the families are doing. It must be hitting them really hard now especially that the holidays are right around the corner. Terrible. Really feel for them.

Oh no not again! In NY no less. What is wrong with that state?

These things really need to be regulated.

[quote]It must be hitting them really hard now especially that the holidays are right around the corner.

But think of how much money they're saving now!

^ Crawl back under your rock and stay there. Blocked.

I truly cannot fathom this accident still and now no one survived-

Its beyond comprehension, and I do not recall an accident like this ever with vehicle so intact.

But the the scientific stuff above at least makes some sense. However again, I do not recall a vehicle EVER looking like that with no survivors.

^ Same here. And also with that number of passengers. I could understand if there were 6 or 8, whatever and they all died, but 18, how could that be?

When I was in high school many years ago 8 teenage girls in the drivers' dad's borrowed station wagon decided to outrun an oncoming train, ignoring the red flashing signals, and of course all were instantly killed. The car was ripped in half. And another time 7 teen boys testing out their new stereo system, blasting it as loud as could be while backing out of their parents driveway, unaware a fire truck with sirens blaring was barreling down the road on its way to a house fire. The boys' car ended up in pieces upon impact and everyone was dismembered, even decapitated. I've heard of other similar types of disasters where all the passengers in a car died. But 18 in limo. And where there was no damage to the exterior. Never heard of this before.

I agree with upthread that they most likely died of internal decapitation upon impact. Heartbreaking. So sad for the families and friends. I hope they have the strength to get through this, although they'll never get over it.

Does anyone know the seating arrangement of the interior of this limo? Were there several rows of seats facing forward? Or were there 2 long rows of seats where about 8 passengers faced 9 passengers (Sideway seating)?

I am sure it was sideways

R507-typical frau.

Has the coroner's report come through on the driver? Did he have a medical issue? Why was he speeding a stretch limo?

Did we ever find out who the mistress was?

Huh?

R506. I love you. That's good dark humor.

All 17 died in an unsmashed vehicle cabin??!! Have they done a thorough investigation? 1)Some passengers complained of a very noisy engine. Did the limo turn into a hearse from carbon monoxide poisoning before the crash? 2)I read that the impact pushed limo engine back into the cabin..ALL the way back, bludgeoning, dismembering all 17, maybe? Perhaps the media is not releasing the gory, grisly details in honor of the victims.

R517, Your engine theory I think was debunked- I do believe it went into the drivers seat area but not into the cabin.

Despite all of the logical and scientific type posts here, I still cannot FATHOM how they all died with that vehicle in that condition.

It really fucks with my mind.

May they rest in peace- Very tragic.

I'd hate for the engine to enter the car as I was driving. It might be uncomfortable.

Have there been any other photos released of the limo than what was posted originally? This case really has a "clamp down" factor information-wise that I find rather hinky.

Let me just say FUCK YOU to the retarded OP for creating possibly the most useless thread title in DL history.

First, let me echo R521, who actually sounds like me, and may well be me, but this was many moons and brain cells ago.

Question, any updates on how this all shook out? Payoffs? Prison terms? How surviving family members are doing? It's like the story disappeared.

BREAKING NEWS

That news is broken alright.

I forgot all about this thread! The simplicity of r129 had me in tears laughing back when this first happened.

Update

What a trip, I was thinking about this the other day, but didn't bother to try digging the thread up because as already discussed it was...unfortunately titled.

Such a fucking bullshit "sentence". I'm sure plenty of palms were greased. Horrible. Then again, what isn't these days?