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Father Ted creator Graham Linehan reported to police for the “hate crime” of disbelief.

Another “brave & beautiful” man in womanface publicly demonstrates his crazy.

by Anonymousreply 402Last Wednesday at 2:18 PM

Wow. So he was reported because the Transgender person got outed for trolling?

by Anonymousreply 109/29/2018

Linehan can be fairly insufferable, but he's in the right on this one. Hopefully Hayden gets done for wasting police time.

by Anonymousreply 209/29/2018

He's very much in the right, and ballsy to be so vocal on this issue. Often RTs DL fave Magdalen.

by Anonymousreply 309/29/2018

Don't know much about Linehan but have seriously enjoyed bother Father Ted and IT Crowd. R2, was wondering how he got this insufferable rep...

by Anonymousreply 409/29/2018

R4 I didn't say he had a reputation for it, I expressed my opinion that I found him insufferable. In fairness to him, that was an opinion formed when I followed him on Twitter, which I haven't done for years, so maybe he's not as bad now.

by Anonymousreply 509/29/2018

R2 You don't know the UK. This is the only policing the Met does anymore. :/

by Anonymousreply 609/29/2018

R6 You don't know the UK if you think the Met covers Norfolk.

by Anonymousreply 709/29/2018

I am so fucking sick and tired of trans activists and their lunacy.

by Anonymousreply 809/29/2018

Always something to consider.

by Anonymousreply 909/29/2018

Linehan is a sexist asshole who is telling bio women what to think and how to act, and is couching it in a fake white knight "it's because I care" cause.

He's neither a woman nor a feminist and shouldn't be getting involved in telling bio women how they should hate trans women. Not his business. So why he's constantly going on about it day in and day out for months on end is beyond me, but it's not healthy.

Some straight guy obsessing on Twitter about women's bathrooms is just creepy as hell.

by Anonymousreply 1009/30/2018

Fuck off with that shit r10. He’s not allowed an opinion but men in lipstick are allowed to tell women what defines womanhood? Linehan isn’t known for misogyny but he is known for a quick intellect and writing great female characters.

He’s not telling anyone to hate men in lipstick he’s telling a man in lipstick to stop trolling with his many alts and stop attacking his wife.

by Anonymousreply 1109/30/2018

I've come to the conclusion that with a large (if not majority) percentage of transgender people the primary issue they're dealing with is mental illness. The transgender angle is just an offshoot of the crazies.

by Anonymousreply 1209/30/2018

From OP's article:

Mr Lineham said: 'I won't stop talking about this.

'There's this unquestioning reverence for anyone who says they are transgender, but this unquestioning loyalty is really dangerous.

'Hayden is trying to shut me up by attacking my wife.

Mr Lineham said: 'I won't stop talking about this.

'There's this unquestioning reverence for anyone who says they are transgender, but this unquestioning loyalty is really dangerous.

'Hayden is trying to shut me up by attacking my wife.

by Anonymousreply 1309/30/2018

This man has literally nothing to gain and everything to lose by warning the public that the rights of women/lesbians and gay men are in danger, yet he is doing it. I really respect and admire him for that.

by Anonymousreply 1409/30/2018

R7 "Her" twitter says she's in London and I think he is as well.

by Anonymousreply 1509/30/2018

Linehan went after people on Twitter by going to their Facebook page and looking up info, then tweeting to them things like "I've discovered you have a double life."

Someone as crazy as Linehan just did it back to him in return, and he freaked out.

No one sane is involved here.

by Anonymousreply 1609/30/2018

0/10 r10

by Anonymousreply 1709/30/2018

R16 he was just pointing out that the person isn't a lawyer as claimed and that the person actively uses 2 different male identities in addition to a female identity. Is that really common for people with true gender dysphoria?

by Anonymousreply 1809/30/2018

[quote]Linehan is a sexist asshole who is telling bio women what to think and how to act, and is couching it in a fake white knight "it's because I care" cause. He's neither a woman nor a feminist and shouldn't be getting involved in telling bio women how they should hate trans women. Not his business. So why he's constantly going on about it day in and day out for months on end is beyond me, but it's not healthy. Some straight guy obsessing on Twitter about women's bathrooms is just creepy as hell.

r10, is this a parody post? Literally everything you ascribe to Linehan is what transwomen (aka men) are doing to women. As someone else said, Linehan has nothing to gain and everything to lose by speaking out on this issue.

by Anonymousreply 1909/30/2018

I mean, just go look at his tweets and see for yourself. He's one of dozens of accounts with large followers on Twitter who claim to be liberal but who say a lot of homophobic, sexist, racist things.

You can't even find much discussion about him on Twitter because people figured him out so long ago that no one bothers with him. He went after G-merG-ters years ago, for instance, but so often attacked non-GG women that people kinda shrugged him off.

The only entertaining part about his current cause du jour is that GGers are anti trans, too, and they're conflicted in a way that's hilarious to me.

by Anonymousreply 2009/30/2018

There is not much Twitter discussion on him because people are basically in agreement with him. He has common sense. Most supporters of the trans movement also have a limit.

Don't lie about being lawyer. Don't maintain active male identities with different surnames when you are claiming to be a female. Rules that everyone is expected to follow.

by Anonymousreply 2109/30/2018

You have no idea what you’re talking about r10/r20

by Anonymousreply 2209/30/2018

Reminds me of this clip, this show is brilliant.

by Anonymousreply 2309/30/2018

Does British law no longer have the “vexatious litigant” declaration by the Bench?

by Anonymousreply 2409/30/2018

What the hell is a GG woman?

by Anonymousreply 2509/30/2018


by Anonymousreply 2609/30/2018

G-merG-ter. That wasn't obvious from the context?

by Anonymousreply 2709/30/2018

R23 OT Matt Berry is genius and can get it whenever he wants tho rumour is he's a pussyhound.

by Anonymousreply 2809/30/2018

[quote]DL fave Magdalen.

You twats are unreal. A handful of you came here from your Facebook hidey holes to push your anti T thing, and brought your lez crushes on some anti T dyke with you. She ain't OUR fave.

by Anonymousreply 2909/30/2018

R15 The article - which you clearly didn't bother to read - says she contacted Norfolk police.

[QUOTE]I mean, just go look at his tweets and see for yourself

If these tweets actually existed, you would've linked to them, rather than making a vague reference to them.

by Anonymousreply 3009/30/2018

R29 I love Magdalen, she’s a definite fave with me and with many, many other DLrs. You keep pushing the trans rhetoric, we just keep pointing out the holes in it (both front and man made).

by Anonymousreply 3109/30/2018

I love Magdalene and I'm a man, homosexual females have a right to female spaces. You're a homophobic ass to me if you muscle in on those spaces.

by Anonymousreply 3209/30/2018

R30 I didn't - aren't you a clever clogs for figuring that out. I went to both twitters to see it from the horses' mouths. If she reported it to Norfolk police then she's lying in more ways than one because she lists London as her location on twitter. Maybe the female her lives in London and the male in Norfolk.

by Anonymousreply 3309/30/2018

Well Hayden had tweeted she spoke to Norfolk police, so seems you're still ignorant even with seeing it "from the horses' mouths".

by Anonymousreply 3409/30/2018

She did...a few hours after this thread started and I went to look at her twitter. There was no mention of it previously. But keep on spreading your sunshine and butterflies you undoubtedly lonely, sexually frustrated, and pedantic wanker. Also hope you manage to get the sand out of your hole so your attitude can improve.

by Anonymousreply 3509/30/2018

Funny how I managed to read the tweet in the article when this thread was started then, eh R35? Almost like you're full of shit. Next time don't try and tell me I don't know my own country when you seem in capable of reading.

by Anonymousreply 3610/01/2018

I this this is very well said. It neatly encapsulates the behavior on display.

The Bewilderness @tehbewilderness · Sep 29 Replying to @Glinner Being obeyed is one of the "rights" transgender identified males are insisting they are entitled to.

by Anonymousreply 3710/01/2018

^Think this^

by Anonymousreply 3810/01/2018

[quote]There's this unquestioning reverence for anyone who says they are transgender

True, all you have to do is claim trans and the world is expected to kiss your ass.

by Anonymousreply 3910/01/2018

Graham now being sued.

by Anonymousreply 4010/01/2018

I hope her cunt falls off.

by Anonymousreply 4110/01/2018

I doubt she has one.

by Anonymousreply 4210/01/2018

Yes, r42. So do I.

by Anonymousreply 4310/01/2018

This is a new one. A woman who pretended to be a boy to groom a girl. So we have to accept the woman part but not the identifying as a teenage boy.

They edited the article numerous times after first publishing it. The first iteration just said this was a woman with all the correct pronouns.

Funnily enough nobody commenting was buying it.

by Anonymousreply 4410/01/2018

The editor is getting a trouncing on twitter.

by Anonymousreply 4510/01/2018

Wait, the dude above with a light beard identifies as a woman? I mean, at least TRY.

by Anonymousreply 4610/01/2018

R44, my brain started to melt as I read that headline

by Anonymousreply 4710/01/2018

Dear god but that’s one ugly man. I’m not surprised the girl is traumatized, he’s horrifying.

by Anonymousreply 4810/01/2018

Those people on Stephanie’s Twitter are just depressing me it’s just pure march in lockstep. They play right into the ego trip. there’s no consideration there.

I read the tweet from Linehan and I didn’t see transphobia. I saw someone unwilling to play a game and refusing to be bullied. What the fuck would Stephanie’s followers do if they read the tweets of actual transphobic bigots?

by Anonymousreply 4910/01/2018

It’s madness, it’s just madness...

How could any publication unabashedly refer to that person as a woman? They didn’t refer to him as a boy, his other assumed persona, but his woman-ness is unassailable?

by Anonymousreply 5010/01/2018

Whatever he says goes r50. At least in his mind anyway. If you doubt that he’s a woman he’ll sue. If you bring up his many alts he’ll sue. If you repost the information he posted about himself he’ll sue. If you point out he doesn’t hold the qualifications he claims to he’ll sue. He’s a bullying, arrogant asshole, basically.

by Anonymousreply 5110/01/2018

Sorry R51 I was referring to the man/woman/teenage boy in the other article above instead of Miss Stephanie. 😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬

The confusion points of a similarity of the type though, no?

by Anonymousreply 5210/01/2018

And of course you’re right it is just bullying .

Anyone else notice how in “her” recent spate of posts literally everyone has #Transgender and,or #Transphobia?

It’s because it’s performative and these people and people like her are hurting actual transgender people with this hysterical,egocentric, attention seeking, nonsense.

by Anonymousreply 5310/01/2018

Couple things:

1 - can anyone explain why one form of dysphoria (transgenderism) is accepted as valid whilst other forms of dysphoria (anorexia, people who view themselves as disabled/animals/otherkin, etc.) are viewed as delusional?

2 - it struck me as odd how many people commented on the looks of the guy at r45, as if his looks are what prevent him from being considered a woman. No amount of hormones or cosmetic surgery will ever turn a man into a woman, whether they look like this guy or Gigi Gorgeous is immaterial.

by Anonymousreply 5410/01/2018

I think the point about his looks r54 is that he has a full stubble and made zero effort to even begin to look feminine but he claims to be female and that to disagree with anyone who, like him, makes no effort to even so much as shave is transphobic. He is very obviously male and yes, no amount of cosmetics will ever change male to female but the blatantly male appearance while demanding to be called female is forcing others to take part in the pretence and is incredibly arrogant.

by Anonymousreply 5510/01/2018

Yes R55

That he does not even bother trying to back up the pretense of being a woman makes it more galling. It’s just a massive “fuck you, I’m untouchable”

It’s like kids going “neener neener” or “nana nana boo boo”

by Anonymousreply 5610/01/2018

#TeamLinehan Not all trans are creeps — some are just mentally disordered (no more blameworthy than suffering from depression or an eating disorder; both of which i have had ); but ALL autogynophile Tranny TRAs are creeps. Male-pattern abusive, gaslighting, dissembling, narcisistic rage-fuelled bullying creeps. (Not to mention heterosexual crossdresing fetishists entryists coopting our LGB orgs and resources for their power trip )

by Anonymousreply 5710/03/2018

Alison Moyet becomes the first female celebrity to openly side with the radfems. "I am officially radicalized." Love you, Alison!!! (God, I wish I could start a new thread on this, but...)

by Anonymousreply 5810/03/2018

[QUOTE]Not all trans are creeps

The problem being the non-creep ones don't identify as trans - instead they're just quietly living their lives as the gender they identify with. It's the attention seekers who go around calling themselves either trans-men or trans-women and demanding special treatment - and so making life more difficult for actual trans people.

by Anonymousreply 5910/03/2018

Good for her!

It was the thread about her being attacked for simply asking, very, very respectfully, to be referred to as woman without the the cis that started opening my eyes to the trans extremist bullying.

Pleased to see her aggressively giving back to the “critics”. Surprising amount of F-bombs there.

by Anonymousreply 6010/03/2018

I’m going to get one of those dictionary definition of woman T shirts made.

by Anonymousreply 6110/03/2018

R61 You can buy one here from the feminist group who funded the billboard in Liverpool.

by Anonymousreply 6210/03/2018

lexicographical definitions are literally* murder!

(* NB: Your cis-dictionary definition of “Literally “ is just cis-supremacist logocentric Whiteness!)

by Anonymousreply 6310/03/2018

Thanks r62. I got a friend in Britain to buy one and I’ll get it when I see him next week.

by Anonymousreply 6410/03/2018

So, this is what Alison meant. Linehan signed, too.

by Anonymousreply 6510/03/2018

R9 so it's Beyoncé , then ? Because people are scared as fuck to criticize her bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 6610/03/2018

Stonewall, the country’s most prominent gay rights charity, has come under fire from well-known supporters for “demonising” anyone who speaks out about transgender issues. Leading members of the lesbian, gay, transsexual and intersex community have started a petition urging the charity to rethink its transgender policy, saying that they are fed up with its refusal to recognise other viewpoints. In a letter published in The Times today, they said that Stonewall’s advocacy of extreme transgender politics was threatening women’s rights, undermining gay and lesbian identity and stifling freedom of speech. They accused Stonewall of refusing to recognise LGBT people who oppose the hostile tactics of transgender activists. Transgender campaigners say that they represent a vulnerable, marginalised group but critics accuse them of bullying opponents. Signatories include Alison Moyet, the singer and longtime advocate of gay rights; Jonathan Best, former director of the Manchester festival Queer Up North; Paul Burston, the novelist and former LGBT editor of Time Out; and Philip Hensher, the Man Booker-shortlisted novelist once named Stonewall Journalist of the Year. They said that the charity had “made mistakes” in pursuing an ideology that asserts that trans women are women and labels anyone who disagrees transphobic. They urged Ruth Hunt, Stonewall’s chief executive, to accept that allowing people to change their legal gender by simply declaring themselves male or female would conflict with women who do not wish to share single-sex spaces with biological males. A government consultation on gender recognition law reform is due to close this month. The petition accused the charity of undermining “the concept of homosexuality itself” by “uncritically adopting a form of transgender politics” that tells teenagers who do not conform to gender stereotypes that they may be transgender rather than gay. The letter said: “We urge Stonewall to acknowledge . . . specifically that a conflict exists between transgenderism and sex-based women’s rights. We call on Stonewall to commit to fostering an atmosphere of respectful debate rather than demonising as transphobic those who wish to discuss, or dissent from, Stonewall’s transgender policies.” Mr Best said that while in the past gay activists had fought for legislative equality, today’s transgender activists had “an extreme identity politics” and wanted to “redefine sex and gender for the whole of society”. “Men are not women — and your bullying will not persuade us differently,” he said. Stonewall declined to comment.

by Anonymousreply 6710/03/2018

Wow yessss finally! We all need to sign that petition

by Anonymousreply 6810/03/2018

Did earlier.

by Anonymousreply 6910/03/2018

Looks like Dr Harrop has infested this thread. Oh yes, R10/20, we see you.

by Anonymousreply 7010/03/2018

I find it interesting that Miranda Yardley (a transsexual who signed this position and who was kicked off Twitter for “transphobia”, as she states that a biological woman’s experience is of course qualitatively and quantitatively different than that if someone born male) has a huge number of fans and supporters on Mumsnet.

by Anonymousreply 7110/03/2018


by Anonymousreply 7210/03/2018

Stonewall UK's statement regarding the petition. They just don't care.

by Anonymousreply 7310/04/2018

R8 Honey, so is the rest of the world.

by Anonymousreply 7410/04/2018

The response at r73 is a huge pile of misogyny wrapped up in MRA doublespeak. They say they canvassed we men in various cities with “should trans women have equal rights” and it was a positive response. They didn’t clarify that the “rights” they espouse are for men convicted of violent sex crimes to have access to female-only spaces.

by Anonymousreply 7510/04/2018

Plus, r75, most people believe that "trans women" are males who have had sexual reassignment surgery; if they knew that 80% keep the bait and tackle...

by Anonymousreply 7610/04/2018

Oh, and they also assume that the vast majority of MTFs started out as gay men, when in reality, the vast majority are straight men.

by Anonymousreply 7710/04/2018

I can’t believe they’re serious with that “We canvassed thousand women in one place and they agree with us!”

I Canvassed 100% Of cats near me at the moment and she didn’t disagree with my feelings on this issue.

by Anonymousreply 7810/04/2018

It all depends on how the question is framed. If someone asked me if trans people should have the full raft of human rights I'd say yes of course.

If they asked if any man can identify as a woman on his say so or if rapists can be put in women's jails if they self identify then they'd get a different answer.

I'm thinking they asked the former.

by Anonymousreply 7910/04/2018

It's rather disengenous of Ruth (to the point of pants of fire) to say that she sees no conflict with sex based rights. If that is the case then why did Stonewall lobby so hard to try and remove sex as a category from the Equality Act?

That will be because they know it conflicts.

by Anonymousreply 8010/04/2018

Ruth Hunt is a fucking liar. There already has been a conflict between trans and women's rights. A young woman with Aspergers on a secure psychiatric ward was repeatedly raped by self IDed transwoman who was then placed in a woman's prison and went on to sexually assault 4 women. Way to throw other women under the bus Ruth.

by Anonymousreply 8110/04/2018

And let's remember Stonewall didn't even support gay marriage until very late in the game. And yet for some reason they take such an extremist view on this issue.

by Anonymousreply 8210/04/2018

Tried to link petition on Queerty but got blocked. I’m worried news of this petition won’t get out (or not without horrible TRA distortion such as PinkNews coverage). Let’s get it everyfuckingwhere. To victory! ✊🏽

by Anonymousreply 8310/04/2018

Just heard Stonewall’s Ruth Hunt debate this on BBC radio 4. She’s well and truly pinned her transgender colours to the mast and will go down with the ship (trans LaDieS in the lifeboats first!) ..she all but admits Stonewall no longer represents gay, lesbians or bisexuals its energy is purely and totally directed towards implementing trans ideology (no matter how extreme, it will be endorsed, covered up, excused or defended ). It is now effectively operating as the top trans lobby with money received under false pretences. Fuck Stonewall. Boycott the shit outta them.

by Anonymousreply 8410/04/2018

This paragraph from Wikipedia about Ruth Hunt (perfect as rhyming slang btw) tells you all you need to know about how homophobic Stonewall has become. It’s like alternate reality.

She attracted much attention in May 2014 when she announced in the (UK) Daily Telegraph that Stonewall would not be joining a wide boycott of the Dorchester Hotel in London, owned by the Sultan of Brunei, where Stonewall was to hold a gala dinner. The Sultan was proposing to introduce the death penalty for sodomy but she argued that there was not "a mandate for the boycott" and "We only implement actions that we can calculate will have an impact."

by Anonymousreply 8510/04/2018

Ruth Hunt. What a... piece of shit.

by Anonymousreply 8610/04/2018

Alison caves AGAIN. So disappointed. But so far, her name is still on the petition.

by Anonymousreply 8710/04/2018

Slanted article about it from Penis News that says Moyet signed the petition with "anti-trans activists," conveniently leaving out the fact that the majority of signers are either gay, lesbian, or transsexual. Oh, and asking for a fair, reasoned debate is "attacking." No comments section, of course, because they know damn well how it would be received.

by Anonymousreply 8810/04/2018


They don’t get that disallowing commentary on a petition which itself is largely about disallowing dissenting views just proves the point.

by Anonymousreply 8910/04/2018

This tweet says a lot to me.

Katie Katie @Katie97531200 Replying to @AlisonMoyet It's not that trans women aren't women, it's that transphobes aren't feminist. Why should trans ppl be expected to enter in debate about our existence when the non-trans ppl who are demanding that aren't even prepared to be known as cis?

They aren’t feminist because I, a trans say so. And why should we engage in discussion when you won’t accept the label we give you?

by Anonymousreply 9010/04/2018

that last bit was me, not Katie.

by Anonymousreply 9110/04/2018

Wow, that's some ballsy shit r90 and further reinforces my desire to never be called cis. Fuck them.

by Anonymousreply 9210/04/2018

Katie Katie@KatieSBarker Replying to @SevenFlamingo@AhJayzisand @AlisonMoyet

I like to use biology to determine sex. Penis-bearers are male. A man (with male privilege and socialisation) with a penis raped me. I can't use protected spaces if they may contain a penis. My PTSD doesn't change because a man 'feels' like a woman.

by Anonymousreply 9310/04/2018

phaylen @phaylen Replying to @AlisonMoyet My rights and equalities as a human being aren't for you to debate. They're not up for negotiation.

To me it seems like this person wants more than equality though. They want what they already had and what little women have as well.

by Anonymousreply 9410/04/2018

FFS, noone is trying to argue trans people don't deserve to exist. I'm sick of every attempt to have a nuanced discussion around sex-based protections being painted as a genocidal act against trans people. No male should be able to access protected female categories and spaces based on nothing but a declaration of female identity. We're supposed to celebrate diversity and difference, but pointing out that the experience of a female is different to that of a male who wants to be female is a hate crime? Stonewall are no friends of gays, lesbians, or female,s and they'll get no support from me.

by Anonymousreply 9510/04/2018

But they do exist and the fact that they exist and have changed/ are changing, instantly means that they should be at the top of all consideration.

No matter what.

by Anonymousreply 9610/04/2018

Yep, r95, I see it everywhere on social media. "We're just trying to exist" is the new "We just want to pee." Hell, if those were the only two things they were trying to do, no one would even care. But naked male bodies in women's locker rooms, men taking women's spaces at homeless shelters, and the total destruction of female athletics is not "existing" or "peeing."

by Anonymousreply 9710/05/2018

Here's an example: We want trans people EXTERMINATED!!! What is wrong with these people?

by Anonymousreply 9810/05/2018

It's just absolute fuckery and can't be rationed with. They don't understand that saying they deserve to encroach on women's spaces can also be seen as "interfering with my right to exist" as a woman. Their movement is built on falsehoods and cannot be challenged. I can't wait till they realize that a subset of people who oust women and sterilize themselves will die out soon.

by Anonymousreply 9910/05/2018

Did you see the description screed from “Porg on main” on the link @ r98? “Women and cis women” - this fuckng looney tunes is literally claiming men are actually women and it’s real, biological women who need to use a descriptor! Fucking nuts.

by Anonymousreply 10010/05/2018

r95, very well said.

by Anonymousreply 10110/05/2018

I’m tired.

I was almost going to join twitter to engage that person but why bother? It’s all me, me, me. Even considering listening to other views is an impossibility with some of those people.

I don’t want them exterminated. I want them to shut the fuck up and listen honestly for a while. People do NOT “have” to accept you, some of them NEVER will. Attacking, guilt tripping, and bullying the people who are unsure or have concerns will only drive them to side against you. Trans are not any more special or deserving than any other minority group but they sure want everyone else to think they are. No, they DEMAND everyone else think they are. Meanwhile having used the LGB movements hard won inroads to equality to make themselves THE minority, they are only to happy to throw us to the wolves.

People who question trans want them “exterminated” meanwhile I have seen NO trans person come out against Chechnya’s actual anti gay torture and death camps. You know the ones that are actually exterminating people.

by Anonymousreply 10210/05/2018

Now they're going after Lucy Lawless:

by Anonymousreply 10310/06/2018

Oh for fuckssake!

I read the linked post and the read downwards before seeing Lawless’s post.

I would have thought she said something like “power to all vaginas, and only those born with them!”

I find this response insidious. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Т Replying to @MaryLizWhite You're overreacting again. Perhaps if you invested more time battling transphobia than worshipping idols and pretending like they're perfect and don't want to improve, you'd be able to see the problem. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

She wasn’t overreacting of course. She was respectful and reasonable. This is gaslighting.

by Anonymousreply 10410/06/2018

They are furious because Lucy Lawless said Xena needed a reboot and Xena is a woman? Fucking madness. The transtapo need to just get over the fact that real biological women exist and if they didn’t exist they wouldn’t have been born. Wanting to be a woman doesn’t make you one. I wanted to be an astronaut but I’m a business analyst and no amount of wishful thinking will make NASA give me control of the space shuttle.

by Anonymousreply 10510/06/2018

The more I think on it the more pissed I get.

This person just HAD to insert themself in there and cause drama didn’t they? Had to guilt trip?

Everything Lucy Lawless or anyone else posts does not have to represent everybody! What is with this constant fucking need for validation?


It’s the fucking guilt trips ABOUT NOTHING that are actually making despise people like this.

I get the desire for representation but there are times and there are places for those discussions but with these TRAs it’s EVERY time and every place regardless of the subject.

Saying you want female heroes is not the same as excluding trans maliciously or nastily.

by Anonymousreply 10610/06/2018

Is Graham Linehan a Catholic, in this day and age, knowing what we know?

THAT’S the criminal behavior that should be discussed.

by Anonymousreply 10710/06/2018

No, it isn’t r107. Fuck off and take your whataboutism with you. Go create a thread about Catholicism and stop trying to derail this one.

by Anonymousreply 10810/06/2018

Holy shit check this out: the BBC has left up the video of Germaine Greer talking about this issue but they have disabled the audio on her answers. So you can hear the interviewer but then the audio on Greer's speech is turned off. This is utterly abhorrent censorship on a fucking official BBC news account. I thought something was wrong with my speakers at first. And no, this is not how the video was originally uploaded because I've watched this same video before. What I don't get is if you were going to censor her speech why leave the video up in the first place?

by Anonymousreply 10910/06/2018

R109 It is your speakers. I can hear Greer's responses fine. Check your left-right balance, as it does seem her answers are only coming through the left channel

by Anonymousreply 11010/06/2018

r110, whoops, sorry about that, your're right. I have my headphones plugged into my speakers and the audio is only coming out from one side. My bad.

by Anonymousreply 11110/06/2018

Honestly, I'm kind of surprised that Germaine hasn't had any work done. She loved being beautiful, feminist or not.

by Anonymousreply 11210/06/2018

I think the interesting thing about Greer’s interview is she says if she were in the presence of a trans person, she would use their preferred pronouns as common courtesy.

We all may have our own inner opinions, but it’s how you treat people that’s important.

by Anonymousreply 11310/06/2018

Yes and it goes both ways. Which is often forgotten lately.

by Anonymousreply 11410/06/2018

R113 Yeah and it’s for trannys to similarly exercise consideration for women and girls safeguarding and women’s equality, by at the very least observing a self-denying ordinance whereby you don’t compete against actual women on all-women’s shortlists, sports competitions etc, or anywhere a bilogical male/male-socialised individual has an unfair advantage. Wait for women to get their fair share of the pie before you come and stick you big manly fingers in the pie and claiming it’s yours by right of some ivoice in your head telling you you know what true womanhood is

by Anonymousreply 11510/07/2018

Graham Linehan receives verbal harassment warning from police:

by Anonymousreply 11610/07/2018

Utterly ridiculous. On the plus side, this will just help the inevitable backlash. The trans activists are massively over-reaching, and they're going to end up getting smacked down hard.

by Anonymousreply 11710/07/2018

r117, agreed.

by Anonymousreply 11810/07/2018

“If I have to go this way, it wasn’t a man that brought me down, was it?” Send Magdalen some love on twitter, because she has to have brain surgery again, for a glioblastoma, and “it’s bullocks.”

by Anonymousreply 11910/07/2018

Vagina people are too soft and silly to even book tables at restaurants! Thank heavens they can stop being women and start being real human beings-- so empowering!

“As a wife, Soloway found herself waiting around every Valentine’s Day for her husband to book a restaurant, which he didn’t do. Once liberated into being a non-binary person who dates women, Soloway writes of the joy in being free to call the restaurant to make the booking themself, and to give up this pretence of passive femininity.”

by Anonymousreply 12010/07/2018

^Its such political dodgy ideologically inverted utter bollocks

by Anonymousreply 12110/07/2018

New video from Arielle:

by Anonymousreply 12210/07/2018

Ally tips! And remember, none of them are "up for debate"!

by Anonymousreply 12310/08/2018

It was only a few years ago that the left was making fun of the religious right for ignoring scientific fact in favour of their emotions and beliefs. And now...

by Anonymousreply 12410/08/2018

Thanks for the 'tips' R123 - I've now responded to the government consultation, and not in the way Stonewall would like I imagine. Men are men, women are women. You can identify as whatever the fuck you want, but you can't change science and biology.

by Anonymousreply 12510/08/2018

R123: Jesus. So much Orwellian BS I dunno where to beigin. How can totalitarianism simultaneously be so laughably cringe? And It’s all so fucking transparently shamelessly cynical.

“44. If trans folk do have to explain something to you that may be uncomfortable, triggering, or upsetting for us, buy us a bunch of flowers, take us for dinner, drop something into our PayPal. No labor should be free.”

by Anonymousreply 12610/08/2018

"In a world where misconstrued ideas about trans folk—what we need, what we deserve, how we should live—fall from the lips of so many cis people, we need to end the debate on whether trans womxn are womxn"

Yes we do. They're not.

by Anonymousreply 12710/08/2018

They can be womxn if they want r127, it's just a made up word anyhow. They can't be women though.

by Anonymousreply 12810/08/2018

"Don’t refer to us as a whole. Do not make sweeping generalisations about every trans person. We are all individual people with different opinions."

Do the same for 'cis' people too then you assholes.

by Anonymousreply 12910/08/2018

"Do not enter queer or trans safe spaces without a queer person asking you to be there or without making sure that allies are welcome."

But do give men in dresses access to formerly safe spaces like women's refuges or changing rooms. This article is REALLY getting my back up.

by Anonymousreply 13010/08/2018

"Never try to argue with a trans person that something isn’t transphobic"


Only because they won't fucking listen and will just report you for a 'hate crime'

by Anonymousreply 13110/08/2018

The Broadly article, typical of transactivist writings. "Trans men exist". Always the same- Bang on and on, and get shouty about how "Trans women ARE WOMEN!!", and how 'trans women' are so brave and stunning, sexy and 'fierce' etc And the throwaway crumbs for the trans guys? "Trans men exist". That's it. No defiant "Trans men ARE men!!". None of the praise, "trans men are hot ( courageous, hot, tough, etc)" Just "trans men exist" Every time. It's like they've all fucked up before and had to be reminded not to forget the ftms. So now every activist essay/listicle/tweet thread contains the token line "Trans men exist", before they go right back to talking about trans-identified males.

by Anonymousreply 13210/08/2018

"Don’t ask what gender dysphoria feels like because it’s a stupid question and there’s no way you can try to understand it."

Because it's made up bullshit?

by Anonymousreply 13310/08/2018

"Tell your trans friends and partners how great they look. Highlight the changes after hormones, surgery, or even just a good skin day."

by Anonymousreply 13410/08/2018

" Pride is not for you to get drunk and smear glitter on your face. Respect that this is not your space."

What the FUCK?

by Anonymousreply 13510/08/2018

R135 Jesus Christ. No self-awareness at all. Hardly shocking, I guess, given they erase gay men from history, declaring they were really trans, and get away with publishing articles in gay magazines suggesting gay men are only gay men because they're too cowardly to transition.

Looking for a positive, most people who read this will just decide not to bother trying to ally with them. Imagine if the gay community published lists like this just a few years ago?

by Anonymousreply 13610/08/2018

"96. Do not deny your privilege. If you tell me that being a cis heterosexual white man doesn’t mean you haven’t “had it rough,” I will tell you that you are wrong.

97. I also am not playing Top Trumps with you. Don’t try to top my experience."

I'm sorry but it's patronising bullshit like this that turns so many rational people away from the trans crusade. If anything it going to turn people against trans people it's this 'no one has it harder than a trans person'. Tell that to the fucking starving millions. Tell that to people being put in death camps in Chechnya for being gay men. Tell that to women abused around the world every fucking day.

Is there a word for 'entitled victimhood' because this fucking article wins it.

by Anonymousreply 13710/08/2018

One hundred? Get fucked. I mean, anyone else would maybe write up twenty, at the most. Only a MRA/TRA can, on the spot, reel off a list of one fucking hundred demands and orders for 'teh cis' to obey.

by Anonymousreply 13810/08/2018

[QUOTE]I'm sorry but it's patronising bullshit like this that turns so many rational people away from the trans crusade

I wonder if this is their aim. So they can always feel oppressed, which let's face it is what so many of them are in this for. Or be treated like untouchable kings/queens. Nothing else will do. They aren't interested in equality, only playing the perennial victim or getting special treatment.

by Anonymousreply 13910/08/2018

The answer to the point @ r133 is

"Don’t claim you know what being a woman feels like because you’re a man and it’s a stupid claim and there’s no way you can try to understand it."

by Anonymousreply 14010/08/2018

"Here are 100 ways that cis allies can help us. Bear in mind that this is only a start."

Translation: We'll NEVER stop moving the goalposts.

by Anonymousreply 14110/08/2018

(R10)s post didn't come up for me because I've already blocked him - the only reason for that would be if he was being misogynistic in an unrelated thread. How interesting that judging by (R11)'s reply he was posting here in favour of men dictating to women who and what we are. What a surprising co-incidence that your common or garden misogynist would also be in favour of the current face of modern transactivism, no?

by Anonymousreply 14210/08/2018

I am a straight, unemployed man in a dress filming in a abandoned mental institution, hear me "ROAR"!

by Anonymousreply 14310/08/2018

The oh-so-patient, whisper-y mansplaining at R143 is terrifying. Gosh, I can't imagine why a woman wouldn't want to be totally nude in a locker room with "Michelle."

by Anonymousreply 14410/08/2018

Mike, wearing his lovely pink washing up gloves. Looks like he's doing dishes in the downstairs rec room of a half-way house.

by Anonymousreply 14510/08/2018

He looks like Chris Chan. I wonder how the t's feel about an absolute whacko like him speaking for them.

by Anonymousreply 14610/08/2018

Are those strange noises in the R143 video Michelle's balloon boobs rubbing together in xyr Wilma Flintstone bra?

by Anonymousreply 14710/08/2018

This is where we're at:

- The NYT has a transwoman deliver the Kavanagh rebuke - because apparently Transwomen know all about being objectified, harassed and assaulted for having a vagina, and should, by dint of their superior knowledge of what womanhood really means, be the leaders of the #metoo movement. Make it happen, NYT!

- One of the first candidates funded by a Democrat resistance group was newly-minted "woman" Danica Roem, because not one of the approximately 165,465,342 US citizens born with a vagina was apparently fit to hold office.

by Anonymousreply 14810/08/2018

This right here is a good thing, notice how out of shape most of them are, but they had their own contest and didn't try to hijack someone else's like that "woman" who won the deadlifting world record.

by Anonymousreply 14910/08/2018

Hm. I hit peak trans a few years ago. The tide has evidently turned. About fucking time. At this point if I’m asked I’ll bring up the difference between homosexual transsexuals and autogynephiles. The latter are the problem and they’re so full of shit. Narcissistic autogynephiles and trans trenders need to, dare I say it, stop existing in public. Save it for the fetish club. The former probably just transition and live their lives, mostly under the radar.

The current trans lunacy is just that and you all need to get out of the closet and not live in terror of being called a transphobe.

by Anonymousreply 15010/08/2018

only men can speak for women now because having a period is apparently a non-universally female experience. This stuff honestly makes me weep for the future.

by Anonymousreply 15110/08/2018

It's a literal cult!

by Anonymousreply 15210/08/2018

Lost in all this is the harrowing state of affairs in Dear Old Blighty where the police are even humoring this nut job. Between this and their Orwellian monitoring of social media and the Rotterdam coverups, you’d think Brexit would be the least of their problems!

I used to be an Anglophile. Now, I’m wondering what happened to the Brits. They’ve become spineless.

by Anonymousreply 15310/08/2018

This twitter thread explains that the gender recognition act was originally made to avoid same-sex marriage

by Anonymousreply 15410/08/2018


by Anonymousreply 15510/08/2018

this is scary stuff.

by Anonymousreply 15610/08/2018

Brad says.......

by Anonymousreply 15710/08/2018

Ugh, those passages are a reminder what happens when you let a right wing religious fanatic enthralled to the right wing press lead your supposedly progressive party.

by Anonymousreply 15810/08/2018

This insanity is being driven by the left r158. Yes, the right wing nutjobs prefer to have a child with “a medical condition” instead of gay but this anti-science brainwashing cult bullshit is coming from the left.

by Anonymousreply 15910/08/2018

Oh I know that, R159, I was referring to how Blair's government opposed gay marriage so forcefully.

by Anonymousreply 16010/08/2018

I wonder how much that had to do with Blair’s conversion to Catholicism r160?

by Anonymousreply 16110/08/2018

I can’t even conceive of the narcissistic stupidity that could write something as completely fucking idiotic and unbelievable as the word fart linked at R151

At least not coming from a rebuplican.

by Anonymousreply 16210/08/2018

Scotland swallows the Trans Aid.

by Anonymousreply 16310/08/2018

It’s a war on women.

by Anonymousreply 16410/08/2018

I think the press is having a laugh when they choose such hideous examples for their articles. There are examples of trans men and women out there who are quite convincing, have lived as their new gender for ages, are probably real examples of body dysmorphia, could be argued they were born into the wrong body etc etc and then they pick a monstrosity like R163 who looks like a builder who's put his wife's frock on for a joke.

by Anonymousreply 16510/08/2018

😞😡🤬republican, not rebuplican of course

by Anonymousreply 16610/08/2018

Whether the Transwoman can pass or not is not the issue: The issue is that a woman feeling unsafe because a man is in a space where she is partially or fully disrobed can be charged with a hate crime for protesting.

Why don't you Trans defenders tell us how women (now possibly to be charged with a hate crime if they make a mistake) will be able to tell the difference between a Transwoman and a pervert, especially since the new UK Gender Recognition Act will allow Trans to self-identify?

by Anonymousreply 16710/08/2018

"...and then they pick a monstrosity like [R163] who looks like a builder who's put his wife's frock on for a joke."

The heterosexual males who do this don't even want to pass. On the contrary, they get off on the fact that they still look very much like males, yet can force everyone, especially females, to "play along."

by Anonymousreply 16810/08/2018

Someone introduce Stephanie to Stefonknee.

by Anonymousreply 16910/08/2018

Why would Mr. Linehan write a comedy series, FATHER TED, about a Catholic, child molesting priest?

It really tells you all we need to know about him.

by Anonymousreply 17010/08/2018

More of Michelle, who not only lives under the delusion that he's female, he's a lesbian homemaker from the 1950's.

Housewife, internet sensation & a time traveler!

by Anonymousreply 17110/08/2018

I think our "girl" may have a smidgen of Down syndrome.

by Anonymousreply 17210/08/2018

R170 has never watched Father Ted.

by Anonymousreply 17310/08/2018

Clearly R173

Father Ted was hardly flattering to Catholicism. But hey he dares to not bow at the alter of the trans so we simply must mimic FUCKING DEPLORABLES and suggest that he’s some kind of pedophile.

R170 you may want to note the similarities between what you just posted and extremist, Alex jones type rightwing nutcases.

Unless of course you’re Elon Musk and random and unfounded pedo accusations are just your thing.

by Anonymousreply 17410/08/2018

Love Graham on Twitter, he has no fucks to give. His pointing out the Emperors New Clothes' aspect of tranny shit, (men have cocks, people can change sex, basically everything they push) drives them even more bat shit crazy

by Anonymousreply 17510/08/2018

Just to echo others (R170), what? he wrote a comedy about a priest, everything else is a projection of your imagination. It's worrying that some people are so dense they can't see the difference between fact and associated projection. The only way you could have made a connection between Father Ted and paedophilia is if you equate the two in your head - which is fine I suppose but there is a difference between 'inside your own head' and 'reality'. Please learn it.

by Anonymousreply 17610/09/2018

R170 Ted was sent to live on Craggy Island by the bishop because of financial irregularities in the parish funds - “the money was just resting in my account” is a recurring line.

You’ve obviously never seen it or just want want to throw shit at Linehan.

by Anonymousreply 17710/09/2018

Ah go on, go on,go on, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on, GOWAAANNNN!!!!!

....and have yourself a nice T with a little splash of shenis milk

by Anonymousreply 17810/09/2018

Feck! Feck! ARSE!

by Anonymousreply 17910/09/2018

In the story at R163, it says

[quote]a new crackdown aims to target transphobes, homophobes, disablists, bigots and racists.

Note that “transphobia” is first on the list, racism is last and misogyny is nowhere at all.

by Anonymousreply 18010/09/2018

Well according to the NUS gay men don’t need representation or help cause we’re just fine with all our cis privilege.

Never mind chechnya

by Anonymousreply 18110/09/2018

They can't simultaneously crack down on misogyny AND transphobia (R180), since transactivism IS misogynistic - they'd get into a right pickle and have to ban themselves.

by Anonymousreply 18210/09/2018

Oh look at you R182 with your logic instead of emotions.

by Anonymousreply 18310/09/2018

(Just in case there is any doubt, I support what R182 said)

by Anonymousreply 18410/09/2018

In a sane world this litrerally Orwell-eque authoritarianian imagery would be counterproductive it’s so beyond parody. But TRA agenda and tactics are perfectly in chime with the post-truth, alternative facts, fuck experts, anti-science zeitgeist

by Anonymousreply 18510/09/2018

That is so scary R185.

Notice that as is usual it is framed as a COMMAND.

by Anonymousreply 18610/09/2018

A catalog of censorship.

by Anonymousreply 18710/09/2018

LOOOL How am I only seeing this now

Creepy twat dOcToR Adrian Harrop’s League of Gentlemen looking ass getting OWNED.

by Anonymousreply 18810/09/2018

Who is Harrop? He seems vile beyond belief - is he a gay?

by Anonymousreply 18910/09/2018

He’s one of the most vociferous and connected TRA handmaidens, thei brown shirt Twitter bully. He supposedly represents the LGBT in some capacity. ( probably “queer” could be straight) but I never fucking elected him to speak for me

by Anonymousreply 19010/09/2018

I wouldn't want Harrop treating me in a medical emergency. He seems to spend about 3/4 of his time retweeting trans nonsense.

by Anonymousreply 19110/09/2018

Their* Brownshirt SA Twitter bully. He does their dirty work because he’s a DR so he’s all respectable and science-y shit and not at all unhinged and with covert TRA Facebook groups targeting and harassing women and trying to get their employers to sack them etc

by Anonymousreply 19210/09/2018

I can't believe a medical doctor wouldn't say on television that that is the definition of a female. I hope he's not a gynaecologist or his female patients might want to ask to see someone else.

by Anonymousreply 19310/09/2018

Last January he was complaining to Sky News about what he feels is a lack of NHS funding. Well now we know what he would do with the funds he 'requires'. More gender clinics!

by Anonymousreply 19410/09/2018

Are these trannys local?

by Anonymousreply 19510/09/2018

R189 yes he is gay.

by Anonymousreply 19610/09/2018

Jesus, that Harrop twat gets everywhere. Popping up to talk about trans rights, NHS funding, and he was even in the Guardian the other week in a piece about how tv jobs are nothing like their real-life counterparts. Not the author of the piece, just one of the five people writing a couple of paragraphs about their jobs. I just think he's fucking desperate for a media career. It's a but suspect that he's setting himself up as a mouthpiece for a lot of unrelated topics when basically what he's shouting is 'ME, ME, ME, LOOK AT ME!'

He has a very slappable face, I bet he's insufferable in person. And whoever said he looks like something from the League of Gentlemen is absolutely right.

by Anonymousreply 19710/09/2018

Spot on r197. He looks like he was voted “most loathed” in high school. A face that invites a vicious slapping.

by Anonymousreply 19810/09/2018

He's obviously a total bottom too. God, just imagine his cum face.

by Anonymousreply 19910/09/2018

Harrop is a total SJW cringemuppet but he’s also cynically working an angle probably his own 💰charity 💰 or a political or media career..either way these creeps such as him him and Bergdorf et al are on a power trip and totally taking advantage and exploiting the (long overdue) current drive for greater diversity by inserting their grasping, inflated ego mediocrity everywhere and they know they’re bulletproof because if you object it’s “ homophobia “ “transphobia “racism” transmisognoir”!!!!

by Anonymousreply 20010/10/2018

We need to get to true equality and recognize that no one is perfect, that every group has bad people in it and it’s not demonizing the whole group by pointing out bad behavior.

Where you can call everyone an asshole equally and it’s not a hate crime

by Anonymousreply 20110/10/2018

I wouldnt be surprised if Graham is he’s already being blackballed in the industry because of these cunts. So fucking infuriating. Such a thouroughly decent, genuinely caring and politically (Left) committed and overall top bloke. I’d happily donate to any legal funds if he stated a gofundme

by Anonymousreply 20210/10/2018

[quote]From OP's article: Mr Lineham

The entire article misspells his name. Hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 20310/10/2018

Ugh. WTF GLAAD propagadaising this regressive sterotypical harmful shit. Has anybody done an audit on the TRAs in positions of power in LGB and human rights orgs ?

by Anonymousreply 20410/10/2018


by Anonymousreply 20510/10/2018

The sad thing is R204 there is nothing wrong with disliking long hair and dresses or calling yourself Jack. It just doesn't make you the opposite sex.

by Anonymousreply 20610/10/2018

Gay men, please stop being vagina-phobic! “Admittedly, it can be reassuring to find gay guys who aren’t vagina-phobic, or obsessed with a concept of ‘real men’ that hinges on the presence of a penis from birth.” Women like Magdalen warned you that this was coming...

by Anonymousreply 20710/10/2018

This celebration of every fucking mental illness has gone into overdrive. The nonsense linked at r207 is a prime example.

Nobody is entitled to a fuck, nobody is entitled to force other people to play pretend and make denial of sex a hate crime. Fuck that.

by Anonymousreply 20810/10/2018

The funny thing is that I can understand that some gay men would be attracted to the trans man described above, and obviously they do have sexual encounters, but why try and insist all gay men should be sexually available to them - that's where it crosses a line and becomes homophobia.

Surely when someone starts down the path of transitioning they must know that it will effect every area of their life, perhaps especially sexual relationships?

by Anonymousreply 20910/10/2018

R209 Because they don't believe in equality and instead want a world where they get everything they want.

by Anonymousreply 21010/10/2018

Yes R207 but heavens forefend you fail to observe this injunction

“39. If you are dating a trans person, try to understand their triggers. For example, me and my partner call my menstrual cycle “Lucifer.” So if I text her to say “Lucifer is here,” she knows to bring chocolate and pillows. You can also try covering tampon or pad boxes and wrapping with cute cartoons or their favourite colour.

by Anonymousreply 21110/10/2018

That sounds like infantilism

by Anonymousreply 21210/10/2018

Warms my heart to see Graham meeting with the Fair Play for Women ladies. They all rock!

by Anonymousreply 21310/10/2018

I agree it sounds a bit odd (R212), what adult wants a tampax box covered in 'cute cartoons'? not sure how old the person writing that is I suppose but a lot of the discourse around being uncomfortable with periods (as a community - because transwomen feel left out and transmen don't want them - and/or as individuals) seems to have overtones of 'ugh icky women's bodies' about it.

I'm sure all women felt uncomfortable, even disgusted, by their periods as adolescents, and the pain and PMS are no picnic in adulthood, but this whole language around women's bodies suggests two things: that some trans-identifying people of either sex think most girls women love their periods, and that the idea that grown women's normal biology is faintly disgusting, or as I've seen a fair bit 'gross', is encouraged.

by Anonymousreply 21410/10/2018

Why not just write "this is a dick" on every tampon so that they will feel that it's a dick on them. Soon there will be "Man-pons" for just this occasion and then they won't have to worry. Despite the fact that they are dealing with the bio reminder of their xx chromosomes every month, we can just call it silly names and wrap them in cartoons!

by Anonymousreply 21510/10/2018

[quote]what adult wants a tampax box covered in 'cute cartoons'? not sure how old the person writing that is

That’s because the autogyns don’t want a womanhood, they want a *girlhood*— or at least what they imagine a girlhood to be. It’s just another very disturbing aspect of TRAs, the fetishizing of pre-pubescent and adolescent girls, their lives and experiences, by adult men.

by Anonymousreply 21610/10/2018

It's the other way round, r216 - these are FtM trans (i.e. biological women), who still have vaginas and periods even though they think they're men. It's almost as though they wanted to stay children for ever and were traumatised by their maturing bodies, growing breasts and starting to have periods.

by Anonymousreply 21710/10/2018

Oh but r217, please don't get it twisted, the auto gyns will still mimic having a period. Just so they can complain like they are one of the gals. I know a tranny who said something about how us women shouldn't go in space because of our periods...I was like wtf...

by Anonymousreply 21810/10/2018

Thanks (217) I was trying to write that but you put it better than me. I understand the wish to retreat back into childhood, god knows I felt it myself as a teenager girl - the disgust with my periods and wish to have a pre-adolescent body again, to the point where I felt like I didn't want to have a body at all. luckily I got through it and am now a relatively well-adjusted adult woman. But if I had had the narrative of transition to endorse an repackage my discomfort then I have no doubt I would have gone down that path at the time, no doubt at all, which is really scary.

As for the original point, there is just something so incongruous and incredibly literal about covering a tampax box in cartoons to make it better - I really can't imagine that I would have done that, but it is a metaphor for a lot that is wrong with these kind of discourses altogether (including the wish to indefinitely delay puberty in children).

by Anonymousreply 21910/10/2018

R204 What really pisses me off , as a feminist, about that kind of thing is that they're defining those children's genders by their clothes and behavior in exactly the way they resent being defined themselves.

' Fairies are for girls, bugs are for boys. Slugs and snails and puppy dog's tales that's what little boys are made of.' Isn't that the kind of stereotyping we've been fighting against for the past 50 years?

Its become so blatantly obvious that autism and transgenderism are connected. Black and white, obsessive thinking spitting in the face of free will and varied human temperament.

by Anonymousreply 22010/10/2018

Yeah we've been saying that r220, that's our whole argument, they are the ones who enforce fucking 1950's gender roles, we are more enlightened because we know that you can like pink and still be all man. It's such circuitous logic because if it REALLY doesn't matter what's between your legs and it's all about how you feel then why are you having surgeries, etc?

by Anonymousreply 22110/10/2018

R151 can you imagine the uproar if the same was said about men? " Only transmen can speak for men". They'd be laughed out of existence. Why is it the women who are being erased, again?

by Anonymousreply 22210/10/2018

Trans activists clearly have a "Buffalo Bill/Jame Gumb" view of women, they think that being female is something you can put on or pull off, like a pair of high- heels shoes or a wig. In their sick, little world, men are real people, but, women aren't real, they're just drag.

by Anonymousreply 22310/10/2018

R223 to be fair the rest of society has done little to disabuse them of that notion. Women's bodies and the trappings of femininity have been fetishized and uses to dehumanise them since history began. They are get another expression of the misogyny we all absorb through our culture.

by Anonymousreply 22410/10/2018

So what I get from the article R207 linked to is Transmen want 'cis' men to fuck them, but they don't want people who are specifically into transmen to fuck them. Perfect T logic there!

And as for "Admittedly, it can be reassuring to find gay guys who aren’t vagina-phobic, or obsessed with a concept of “real men” that hinges on the presence of a penis from birth"

What other fucking definition of real man is there? People born with penises are boys who grow up to become men. What fundamental part of human biology are they claiming not to get?

And no I don't want to have sex with people who have vaginas, because I'm gay. Equally lesbians don't want to have sex with people with penises because they're lesbians. Maybe if trans would just fuck other trans it wouldn't be an issue, but the hard truth is unless you have a trans-fetish NO ONE wants you.

by Anonymousreply 22510/11/2018

Don’t, don’t they want they.

by Anonymousreply 22610/11/2018

Wish I could W&W a thousand times r226.

by Anonymousreply 22710/11/2018

[quote]It's the other way round, [R216] - these are FtM trans (i.e. biological women), who still have vaginas and periods even though they think they're men.

Interesting. That’s new to me. I’ve seen some MTTs really get into the mensturation fetishization. Most FTTs in my observance want to minimize it as much as possible or butch it up.

by Anonymousreply 22810/11/2018

"I’ve seen some MTTs really get into the mensturation fetishization."

Remember those awful heterosexual male Degenderettes, with their barbed-wire-covered baseball bats and "Die TERFs" tee shirts? Well, now they're asking their pathetic handmaidens to "give blood" so that they can use it in their delusionary fantasy play.

And for the millionth time I will ask: What the hell does this have to do with gay men or lesbians???

by Anonymousreply 22910/12/2018

I'm supportive of trans folks in general, but damn, R229's linked post is definitely wackadoodle out there.

by Anonymousreply 23010/12/2018

Jesus (R29) I read that link and I just don't know what to say. The depravity of some straight men will always shock me, except now they're 'queer' and 'oppressed'.

by Anonymousreply 23110/12/2018

Jesus fucking fuckety fuck Christ, that link @ r229. But it’s absolutely NOT a fetish, right?

by Anonymousreply 23210/12/2018

[quote]R201 We need to get to true equality and recognize that no one is perfect, that every group has bad people in it and it’s not demonizing the whole group by pointing out bad behavior.

We’re already at that place. For instance, there’s still many practicing Catholics who realize not ALL priests, bishops, etc. are child molesters burying their brothers’ mutual crimes, even if that widespread practice goes back centuries.

by Anonymousreply 23310/12/2018

we need to put a stop to this madness.

by Anonymousreply 23410/12/2018

Look what the radfems did in London tonight! Bravo, Kellie Jay!

by Anonymousreply 23510/12/2018

Oh that is so awesome r235! She will have her life threatened but this is great.

by Anonymousreply 23610/12/2018


So by your logic we should blame every single Catholic for any wrongdoing in the church.

Should we we should also blame every single transwoman for any of the violence done by one of them.

How about the trans woman who went on an axe rampage at a convenience store. Should we assume that every transwoman is a violent attacker in waiting?

How about that transwoman who just sexually assaulted women in the women’s prison. Should we assume that every transwomen is a repeat sexual offender in waiting ? Should everything any trans ally says be ignored too?

PS: Are the degenderettes violent misogynists?

by Anonymousreply 23710/12/2018

Eventually this will all be sorted out by recognizing a third gender status. That will make women happy and though it won't please males who identify as female it will give them protections.

by Anonymousreply 23810/12/2018

It’s doomed to failure r238. The whole raison d’être for the MtT is that they demand to be acknowledged as female no matter what. They don’t accept any dissent from their viewpoint, whether as real dysphorics who actually believe themselves to be women to the much, much more common autogynephiles who hate women while at the same time fetishizing the accoutrements of exaggerated femininity.

by Anonymousreply 23910/12/2018

r239 is right. How many times has it been said that there will be a third restroom, shower room, etc. only for them to rail against that and demand entrance to the women's room? Which is fucking ridiculous, I would love to have my own private bathroom. But these fuckers who call every media outlet don't want their own room because that draws attention to them...right.

by Anonymousreply 24010/12/2018

That's the thing, R239, it doesn't matter what they want. The trans community is on the wrong side of the MeToo# movement.

by Anonymousreply 24110/12/2018

Who is “the trans community”?

by Anonymousreply 24210/12/2018

When a person [italic]demands[/italic] access to a space or a community irrespective of people saying loud and clear 'No, that would make me uncomfortable' I cannot help but harbor suspicions about the motives of that person. Such a person is trolling in real life, getting off on transgressing boundaries, trying to gratify some sort of sexual need, or a toxic mix of all of the above.

by Anonymousreply 24310/12/2018

Narcissistic personalities behave that way. No empathy and not reflective thought.

They want what they want when they want it., nothing else is worth considering for that type of personality.

by Anonymousreply 24410/12/2018

Check out "Michael" the "transgender man." He doesn't have time for your preconceived notions of what a man looks like, okay?!! And why are you asking about "parts" when you're only on, like, the third date with him? Genitally obsessed, much?

Also we have Tobia doing his usual Debbie Downer shtick in here, too.

by Anonymousreply 245Last Saturday at 6:20 AM

I gave up on that article.

I just saw tital self absorption and duplicity in too much of it.

Notice how the first person doesn’t ever say whether they returned the affections of that lesbian who supposedly fell in love with her. No, it’s all about how she felt validated.

The second person didn’t bother to tell the male homosexual they were Persuing that he was born a woman.

I get fear of rejection but when does it becoming lying and dishonesty? When are you just being self serving and using playing with someone? Applies to the first person too.

A quoted section of the third person’s segment.

“My last relationship ended because not only did I change genders, I also changed my name. It was very hard for him, having met me as my legal name, to adjust. He had fallen in love with the first person he met. He wasn’t falling in love with the person that I was continuously becoming every day. For him to be forced to let go of that memory of me, the first person he met, it was difficult for him. He fell in love with me one time, and he expected me to stay the same.

Yes he fell in love with the first person he met. Maybe it’s actually on YOU that he didn’t STAY in love with the person you became?

No one is required to be attracted to anyone or to stay with a person that becomes a different person, even if only superficially. You are not owed love.

by Anonymousreply 246Last Saturday at 3:24 PM

The hulking Caitlyns who late in their hairy-backed lives decide they're women and that they and their hapless wives are now 'lesbians' just kill me. Their kids must be mortified.

by Anonymousreply 247Last Saturday at 5:45 PM

Oh Jacob!

"But there are so many people who walk down the street who think I’m gorgeous—because, like, I am cute. But no one knows how to admit that. Everyone has all this shame about finding me beautiful in my heels with my leg hair. There’s nothing shameful about finding me beautiful, but people have so much internal work to do before they can admit that."

Of course, it's everyone (everyone???) else that is to blame for this poor deluded fool not getting laid.

by Anonymousreply 248Last Sunday at 1:05 AM

Did he really say that?

Like I posted above I didn’t make it all the way through.

by Anonymousreply 249Last Sunday at 4:59 AM

I think there has to be a distinction made between those who transition visually and externally and can pull it off or mostly pull it off - eg. the transman who looks masculine and who would be viewed and treated as a man in public even if they still have a vagina and people like Jacob (ugh!) or the girl who calls herself Michael but is clearly incredibly female and has done nothing to change her body or her appearance.

I see her calling herself a 'transman', however real it may feel for her, as appropriating the identities of those who actually transition . Conflation between transexuals, transvestites, anyone who feels slightly uncomfortable in their body, and male fetishists is such a problem as all of the language around this has become so disconnected from material reality. How can this girl be surprised and offended that people are confused when she goes around calling herself a trnasman but doesn't even bind her breasts? I'm not blaming her, I can see why she's uncomfortable with being a straight woman in the current toxic climate but, at least right now, that is precisely what she is.

by Anonymousreply 250Last Sunday at 5:10 AM

"There’s nothing shameful about finding me beautiful, but people have so much internal work to do before they can admit that."

No one wants to-- or should have to-- "do internal work" just to "admit" to something that is most likely not even true. These people seem to have no understanding of boundaries. You have the right to identify however you want, but you don't have the right to force others to participate in YOUR psychodrama. This is why the comparison to gay rights angers me so much. Even if sexual orientations were comparable to "identities" that exist only in the mind (and they're not), how often do you see a gay couple forcing people to attend their wedding? How often do you see gay men re-writing corporate dress codes to include assless leather chaps? How often do you see butch lesbians INSISTING that coworkers endlessly validate their bravery (and it is bravery) in wearing flannel and short haircuts otherwise they're LITERALLY MURDERING BUTCH WOMEN?

Gay people do not even have the desire to control others that way. They just don't.

by Anonymousreply 251Last Sunday at 6:10 AM

Another good example R251

Compare and contrast Astounding amount of drama surrounding Scarlett Johansen being cast in Rub and Tug? versus the mild grumbling at the casting of Jack Whitehall in jungle Cruise.

Yes it would be nice if one of Disney’s first gay characters was being played by a gay man but at the same time there is going to be a gay character is a big budgett Disney tentpole movie!

Whereas Scarlett Johansson being cast as a person who was in fact still female at his death was literal murder and trans erasure and now there is no movie.

by Anonymousreply 252Last Sunday at 7:20 AM

Surely if the character was still female at their death then it should be played by a female person? anything else is just a misrepresentation of reality.. But who cares about reality anymore?

by Anonymousreply 253Last Sunday at 7:26 AM

I thought the person that the movie “Rub and Tug” was based on was actially a butch lesbian and not trans.

by Anonymousreply 254Last Sunday at 7:57 AM

In reality, Jacob knows he isn't at all cute because he didn't even include a pic in his profile.

Michael is a straight girl. Why are there so many confused people these days?

by Anonymousreply 255Last Sunday at 8:30 AM

R254 lesbian is now a dirty word and a butch female is now claimed as trans whether she wants it or not. The insane fuckers claim Joan of Arc was trans.

by Anonymousreply 256Last Sunday at 8:41 AM

The tide has definitely turned in the mainstream British media. I'm now seeing articles questioning the wisdom of self-identification popping up all over the place, even in the Guardian. There's no going back now. The UK is about to hit Peak Trans.

by Anonymousreply 257Last Sunday at 8:44 AM

I know I'm so happy (R257). Compare this to a year ago when it felt like barely any of us knew what was going on. The grassroots organising by women from Fair Play for Women and Women's Place UK have been magnificent, in the face of extreme hostility. There's articles all over the place.

by Anonymousreply 258Last Sunday at 8:57 AM

This was down thread from R229’s post.

by Anonymousreply 259Last Sunday at 10:00 AM

What's interesting R257 is that the Rub and Tug movie mentioned above was 21st Century Fox. Murdoch owns the production company who paid a lot of money for the film rights. The boycott will have lost him money. The UK MSM that has become the most critical in the last few months is mostly Murdoch owned. They pissed him off by the looks of it.

by Anonymousreply 260Last Sunday at 10:43 AM

R258, the problem is that the fightback in the UK has only started in response to proposals to reform the Gender Recognition Act to include gender self-identification. If that happens, then we're lost as it will also be accompanied by laws proclaiming that it's illegal, for example, to refuse to allow an individual with a beard, penis and huge muscles from entering a women's locker room in the local swimming pool and getting changed in there if they self-identify as a woman. Anyone speaking out againt such gender self-identification will be prosecuted for a hate crime.

by Anonymousreply 261Last Sunday at 10:45 AM

I'm in the UK and unfortunately I think the Gender Recognition Act will go ahead unchanged as the 'fightback' has begun too late. Too many otherwise normal people have been convinced that it's about equality and to oppose the act as it is marks you out as a bigot.

I've seen it on twitter and other social media where people are using it to virtue signal - Linehan for example got an absolute trashing with people who otherwise had a lot of respect for him due to his comedy output deciding to unfollow him and denounce him.

From what I've seen, unfortunately the 'rad fems' are seen as mental and bigoted and people aren't looking into what the trans people are up to.

by Anonymousreply 262Last Sunday at 10:54 AM

I don't think this will happen in the US, R262. Too many hungry lawyers who know when they have got a winning ca$e and are only too happy to run to the media. These lawsuits are only now starting to bubble up through the court system. As they do, it will start to put pressure on politicians who support these illogical laws.

Fresno Bee: Women accuse Poverello House of allowing transgender resident to sexually harass them

Nine women have sued the Poverello House, one of the largest service providers for homeless people in the Fresno area, for allegedly allowing a transgender resident to sexually harass them during their stay at the nonprofit’s women’s shelter.

Poverello House attorney Cynthia Lawrence denied the allegations, saying no staff member knowingly allowed harassment to occur. She added that the nonprofit provides necessary community services and complies with federal and state laws, including those that require equal access to services for transgender individuals.

Peter Kapetan, the Fresno attorney representing the women, said the lawsuit has a chance to establish far-reaching case law on a variety of transgender issues, including whether shelters should use any sort of guidelines to determine who can stay where in gender-specific facilities....

Women staying at the shelter must shower each day, the lawsuit says. Although they shower separately in individual stalls, the women must dress and undress in a common area and place their possessions in crates before and after each shower.

It was during these moments, the lawsuit says, when the transgender woman began making lewd comments to the women, specifically saying things about their breasts and other body features as the group was nude. Some of the women also caught her looking at them through cracks in the shower stalls and while they used the restroom.

The lawsuit claims the alleged harasser showed some of the women nude pictures and videos, including media that showed the transgender woman masturbating. Kapetan said his clients told Poverello House staff about the harassment, but were told they had to be more accepting of the transgender community...

Kapetan said the Poverello House does not have any screening process to determine if a person is in fact transgender or is only looking to lie in order to gain access to members of the opposite sex. He said he plans to present evidence that the alleged harasser was lying about his gender identity to do exactly that.

According to Kapetan, the Poverello House told his clients it could not legally screen the perpetrator in any way. But he believes the nonprofit used the harasser’s transgender status as an excuse not to have to deal with the actual misconduct at hand.

“These women, when they complained, were chastised and told, ‘You have to respect his decision to identify as female,’” Kapetan said. “It’s this political thinking vs. common sense. They were so nervous about trampling transgender rights that they ironically trampled on women’s rights.”

by Anonymousreply 263Last Sunday at 1:46 PM

R263 is a MeToo# case. MeToo# will prove to be very damaging to the trans movement.

by Anonymousreply 264Last Sunday at 1:49 PM

R264 Oh please, the trans movement will be the most damaging to the trans movement with their ridiculous proclamations and demands, fucking mental men in bad drag and stupid parents destroying their childrens bodies, they will destroy themselves

by Anonymousreply 265Last Sunday at 1:52 PM

We can only hope they do it sooner rather than later r265 because the amount of actual, real violence being done to females and children right now isn’t just collateral damage that can be shrugged off.

by Anonymousreply 266Last Sunday at 1:55 PM

R266 Very true, a generation being fucked over

by Anonymousreply 267Last Sunday at 1:57 PM

R263 Unfortunately that's about homeless women. No-one cares about homeless women.

by Anonymousreply 268Last Sunday at 2:03 PM

When there is a legal ca$e, U$ lawyer$ do, R268.

by Anonymousreply 269Last Sunday at 2:05 PM

[quote]I'm in the UK and unfortunately I think the Gender Recognition Act will go ahead unchanged as the 'fightback' has begun too late. Too many otherwise normal people have been convinced that it's about equality and to oppose the act as it is marks you out as a bigot.

I've noticed that most people I discuss it with thinks it only affects those "poor people" who have transitioned medically. The women are horrified to discover that it means ANY man can come in their safe spaces. They don't realise that anybody will be able to just waltz in and you could end up with rapists in your changing rooms and nothing you can do about it. It's basically brainwashing with a lot of information deliberately omitted, otherwise I'm sure the support would have gone completely. Unfortunately, it will be too late by the time people realise what is actually going on.

by Anonymousreply 270Last Sunday at 9:41 PM

The thing that R259 posted she be posted everywhere anytime someone tries to say there are no trangressors using the trans movement

by Anonymousreply 271Last Sunday at 10:05 PM

^should be^

by Anonymousreply 272Last Sunday at 10:05 PM

R271 And? The stories about the crimes of MTF trannys are in the papers everyday now, it is a fucking explosion of male violence in 'female' form

by Anonymousreply 273Last Sunday at 10:10 PM

R 273 I think we’re on the same side of this.

I just found the tampon stealing and forced participation of the unknowing clerk especially disgusting.

Violence we see all the time and it’s desensitizing.

I think this is perverted and foul and violating on a level a punch isn’t. Not that I’m downplaying the actual violence.

by Anonymousreply 274Last Sunday at 10:17 PM

I mean this is literally appropriating a woman’s bodily fluids and using them to get off on the violation while making her an unknowing accessory to it.

by Anonymousreply 275Last Sunday at 10:19 PM

I hear they eat unbaptized children, too ! !

by Anonymousreply 276Last Sunday at 10:46 PM

Oh do fuck off r276. I know you think you're clever and you're a man who won't be affected by this but if you know any women, they will.

by Anonymousreply 277Last Sunday at 10:57 PM

Yes R276 tell us how you think the actions linked at R259 are okay.

Let’s hear your rationalization or excuse.

by Anonymousreply 278Last Sunday at 11:09 PM

I read a wild, wacky story on the Internet and swallowed it whole as truth.

What can I say?

by Anonymousreply 279Last Sunday at 11:15 PM

Obvious troll at r279 is obvious, but maybe read some of the articles linked, there is going to be a backlash, it's starting now and it will get huge. Tell your autogyn friends their days of preying on women are numbered.

by Anonymousreply 280Last Sunday at 11:26 PM

Sure R279 how about the others?

by Anonymousreply 281Last Sunday at 11:27 PM

R279 It is hardly just that instance.

by Anonymousreply 282Last Sunday at 11:29 PM

So comfortable using faggot

by Anonymousreply 283Last Sunday at 11:39 PM

R283 - wannabe porn star? That's even more fucking delusional than thinking he passes as a woman.

by Anonymousreply 284Last Monday at 12:07 AM

R283 They hate us

by Anonymousreply 285Last Monday at 12:12 AM

Sissy Jami: "Love getting pretty and then pleasing a man."

Anyone who can't understand why men like this should have NO power whatsoever over women is a complete fucking moron. (Or a willfully ignorant misogynist.)

by Anonymousreply 286Last Monday at 5:57 AM

R29 I am neither a lesbian nor do I even have a Facebook account, but I absolutely ADORE Magdalen Berns and she is indeed a DL fave.

I get it that you trannies don't care for her, but do not be so presumptuous as to declare her a marginal figure here at DL. One of the greatest contributions DL has made to my life is the introduction of MB to me.

I may not be a lesbian or even bi, but I have a girl crush on the woman. My greatest dream would be 1/4 as inciteful and clever as she.

by Anonymousreply 287Last Monday at 6:16 AM

Jesus fucking Christ! The douchie arrogance of this creep and his gaslighting bullshit talking about being at a disadvantage to women because of his current lower levels of T all while he stands their looking comparatively like a brick shithouse with his giant bale lung capacity and larger muscles and tendons and bones and a life time of male social training incouraging and valourizing aggressive activity and sporting competition

by Anonymousreply 288Last Monday at 6:37 AM

Male* lung capacity

by Anonymousreply 289Last Monday at 6:39 AM

Female athletes need to boycott NOW. The fact that they have not yet done so is only proof of the different social conditioning between men and women-- ironically, yet another reason why males should not be allowed to compete against females.

by Anonymousreply 290Last Monday at 6:49 AM

Women's sport is going to be destroyed. No point girls devoting their lives to training when a load of second and third rate male athletes will just sweep the board taking medals and records.

by Anonymousreply 291Last Monday at 6:50 AM

>Responding to someone saying the athletes who came second and third were “robbed” and had to “smile and wave and pretend it was a fair sport,” she said: “Or maybe they actually think it’s fair (2nd place is a friend).

>“Don’t objectify and use other women for your bigotry.” McKinnon added in another tweet: “We’re disproportionately NOT GREAT at sport. We’re grossly underrepresented in elite sport.”

Aghhh this just..ugh.. so fucking rubbed me up the wrong way. These creeps are fucking toxic especially how they coopt feminism in their misogyny and especially use it against other women. These people are the definition of gaslighters

by Anonymousreply 292Last Monday at 7:06 AM

I actively no longer consider myself part of the LGBT because of this anti-rational post-truth lunacy that’s tainted the whole thing

by Anonymousreply 293Last Monday at 7:13 AM

Just call yourself 'gay' or 'lesbian'. It's much simpler to say.

by Anonymousreply 294Last Monday at 7:17 AM

Gay has become so inextricably linked politically and philosophically (at least the G has; the L has always had a far more established politically independent and radical fringe status simultaneously existed in and outside of LGBT consensus). If I even say anything I now just say I’m not straight

by Anonymousreply 295Last Monday at 7:38 AM

That's what I do, r294, and have always done. I've never considered myself LGBT or queer. When I get told (only on DL, btw) that I'm "dividing the community", my response is that I'm not part of any so-called "LGBT community".

by Anonymousreply 296Last Monday at 7:39 AM

Just say you're gay r295, but that you have nothing to do with LGBT.

by Anonymousreply 297Last Monday at 7:40 AM

That’s what I’m saying, In my mind I just can’t divorce from the rest of the Quiltbag+++ bullshit. Its become tainted for me. I cringe being associated with it on an organised level. I’m homosexual or non-Hetero from now on in. I’m it’s not even that I’m a conservative or religious or anything like that, I’m still just about Left-leaning (middle Left(? )If that’s a thing) and athiset but above everything sceptical and a believer in rationality and reasonableness which is the far to extreme of political and cultural LGBT and Gay inc. at this point in time

by Anonymousreply 298Last Monday at 7:50 AM


by Anonymousreply 299Last Monday at 7:51 AM

I too think, unfortunately, the GRA will pass or the best we can hope for is it’s kicked into long grass with some commission . The TRA silent cancerous take over of the gay rights organs and pushing out its trans TRA agenda has worked only too well in the government and publics mind who see any defeat for the TRA agenda as a regressive attack on gay rights generally THe TRAs have played the long game

by Anonymousreply 300Last Monday at 8:03 AM

What is galling to me is that so many people in the Q soup are actually heterosexual but denying it and then telling me how I should be living, what I should accept or reject and how to define myself.

I’m getting sick of the all gay is a spectrum argument too. Maybe YOU change, maybe YOU shift interests. I DON’T. I have never felt one iota of sexual attraction or interest in a female and I’m not going to start because someone commands me to be open minded about sexual fluidity.

by Anonymousreply 301Last Monday at 8:04 AM

R300 Case in point “Butterfly screenwriter Tony Marchant says ‘hysteria’ on trans issues ‘very reminiscent of Section 28’”

by Anonymousreply 302Last Monday at 8:08 AM

Didn’t they use a REAL ACTUAL BILOGICAL girl in that propaganda..I mean drama “Butterfly” (that cringy eyeroll title 🤮)..supposedly because it would be unethical to do otherwise? Funny that

by Anonymousreply 303Last Monday at 8:13 AM


by Anonymousreply 304Last Monday at 8:14 AM

It’s like when the execrable PInk News illustrates every tranny-prisoner-in-peril story using stock footage of very clearly actual FEMALE hands (with pink manicured tailors naturally) through prison bars. They can’t ever show the reality the narrative all make believe from beginning to end

by Anonymousreply 305Last Monday at 8:22 AM

The whole narrative is make-believe from beginning to end *

by Anonymousreply 306Last Monday at 8:24 AM

Pink manicured talons*

by Anonymousreply 307Last Monday at 8:27 AM

I downloaded Butterfly but terrified to watch as I know it will just be bullshit propaganda with zero truth

by Anonymousreply 308Last Monday at 10:34 AM

"Hysteria" ? His use of that word says it all about his ingrained male supremacist ideology. And Section 28? You know what's exactly like Section 28? That'd be the the same transgenderist insistence that homosexuals should remain silent about being exclusively same-sex oriented because it's bigotry" and "terfy" to exclude the opposite sex from one's 'dating pool'. So good for you Mermaids, Stonewall et al, you're as anti-homosexual as the Thatcher regime back in the 1980s.

by Anonymousreply 309Last Monday at 11:19 AM

I imagine the first healthy thing to do would be to stick with reputable news sources to get a handle on what has or has not happened....combined with what one has observed in real life.

There are many people (some in this thread) who enjoy immersing themselves in the fairy tale hysteria aspect of the Internet. They draw on these Internet stories because they do not have stories in their own lives.

I fear the internet is their main contact with the world, which makes them gullible and overly-impressionable.

by Anonymousreply 310Last Monday at 12:18 PM

Whose news is reputable though?

by Anonymousreply 311Last Monday at 12:24 PM

Oh look, it's "hysteria" again. Yes, R310, I think their wandering wombs make them that way. 'Women' with lady cocks are far more logical aren't they?

by Anonymousreply 312Last Monday at 12:25 PM

Yep, the use of “hysteria” is a signifier of a misogynistic ass.

Real women have been really raped by men pretending to be women. This has happened in places that should be safe and private and were previously sex segregated. Now that it has been made illegal to hurt the feelings of a mentally ill fetishist man these places no longer are safe nor private. This is not OK.

by Anonymousreply 313Last Monday at 1:32 PM

Pink News (Penis News) is a trans obsessed website. It has zero legitimacy.

by Anonymousreply 314Last Monday at 2:22 PM

R314 Darl, ALL the 'gay' websites push the tranny shit now. About the only decent and living in reality one left is 'After Ellen', thank fuck they have actual dykes working their

by Anonymousreply 315Last Monday at 2:24 PM

Do you think the British Association of Gender Identity Specialists are hysterical (R310)? because I look at reputable sources. Unlike you I look at written submissions from experts to government inquiries.

That particular organisation raised significant concerns about the number of sex offenders in British prison identifying/wanting to identify as women, based on very real evidence and experience, including a very concerned prison governor who was wiling to go and speak to the 2015 Transgender Inquiry carried out by the UK government, but was not invited. Nobody who voiced any dissent about the trans narrative was invited. Prison psychologists elsewhere have warned of a 'tidal wave' of male sex-offenders wishing to identify as women.

Why don't you get your head out of your arse and out of that trashy rag Pink News and actually listen to people who know what they're talking about? because you certainly don't.

by Anonymousreply 316Last Monday at 3:34 PM

Because listening is a weakness when attempting to conquer.

by Anonymousreply 317Last Monday at 3:50 PM

True (317), but at least he can't claim that he wasn't told. The absolute twat.

by Anonymousreply 318Last Monday at 4:06 PM

[quote]Women's sport is going to be destroyed.

Think about how many girls will lose college scholarships. That’s what really chaps my ass.

by Anonymousreply 319Last Monday at 5:16 PM

That McKinnon person is so insufferably smug about the whole thing. Awful.

by Anonymousreply 320Last Monday at 5:39 PM

[quote]R132 Oh look, it's "hysteria" again. Yes, [R310], I think their wandering wombs make them that way. 'Women' with lady cocks are far more logical aren't

I’m not assuming anyone here is female. In fact, i’d say, in general, gay men are more prone to hysterical dramatics than women.

If you do claim to be a woman here, on an anonymous board....why would I believe that? When you read someone posting on an anonymous board (or twitter account) that they’re stealing used sanitary pads from women’s restrooms to sexually pleasuring themselves with....why would you believe that?

Go by what you experience in real life....not on YouTube, or Reddit, or wherever it is you go for this half-baked news.

by Anonymousreply 321Last Monday at 7:26 PM

R321 we believe it because there are multiple reports of this happening, when men known to and recognised on a pro-trans site writes this stuff about themselves why would you not believe that?

We get it, you don’t like it when the natural craziness and sleeziness of the average autogynephile is brought out into the cold light of day but it’s too late, we know what you are - violent, misogynistic fetishists forcing other people to take part in your make believe.

by Anonymousreply 322Last Monday at 7:32 PM

R320 its douchebag arrogance and male entitlement is etched across its creepy smug AGP face

by Anonymousreply 323Last Monday at 11:09 PM

Of course, Of course he has the fucking mermaid hair! What a tool. I was reading some reddit about Jazz and some transman was saying how he was all man despite, you know, being a girl and that Jazz was a woman now and had gone through female puberty, that did not sit well with the gender critical gals. Transguy says: "She did go through normal female puberty. That's why she has breasts. She had a normal estrogen based puberty starting at age 11" But luckily, this was not huffpo or any of the gay rags that now let this shit slide, because trans guy was told this: "seriously? Jazz did not go through female puberty. Do you know anything about basic biology? Jazz is a biological male and males do not go through female puberty even if they are given synthetic (fake) hormones lmao. These are scientific facts. Those hormones don't change the fact that Jazz is a male. The same goes for you, if you take testosterone, you don't become a man. You remain a female. Drugs and surgeries don't change who you really are. You're always one blood test away and doctors will always treat you as a biological female. You are still at risk for cancers that only females can get. You will never get prostate cancer. :p" And you'll always be a better, stronger athlete as a man.

by Anonymousreply 324Last Monday at 11:22 PM

contd from reddit argument about whether Jazz went through female puberty: If you dont consider estrogen-driven puberty a female puberty, it doesnt really matter what you call female. If, based on your definitions, both males and females can go through the same kind of puberty with similar effects and turn out looking, operating. and acting the same way, you just have kind of a useless definition of the words male and female. The only reason your definitions would ever be useful is to determine what body parts someone has, which really doesnt affect the way people operate in the world when you can't see their internal organs or genitals. Obviously all definitions are subjective and made-up for the purpose of conveying some kind of understanding, so what's the point in using the words that way? permalinkembedsaveparentreportreply [–][deleted] 9 points 3 months ago No, I don't consider giving a biological MALE estrogen a female puberty lol as that is not scientifically possible. Jazz didn't go through male or female puberty no matter how desperately you want everyone to believe it. Jazz is not a biological female, doesn't have a period, can't give birth, doesn't have ovaries, a uterus, a vagina, or a cervix. It's not even a real vagina. These are scientific facts pal. You can choose to reject them. That's on you. Females don't have inverted penises which don't function like natural vaginas. Jazz will never know what it is like to be a female. Jazz may love girly things, but he is not a female. Makeup, pink, long hair, nail polish does not determine your biological reality.

by Anonymousreply 325Last Monday at 11:25 PM

Isn’t reddit kind of like 4chan?

by Anonymousreply 326Last Monday at 11:30 PM

There's a million different subs you can go to so some may be like it, but I like the gender critical ones, it's the only other place you can have rational discourse on this without being doxxed and threatened.

by Anonymousreply 327Last Monday at 11:38 PM

Great reply, r324/325.

by Anonymousreply 328Last Tuesday at 3:04 AM

What's happened with Jazz's shrivelled penis which, because of the chemicals he was taking, ended up too small to invert into a "vagina"?

by Anonymousreply 329Last Tuesday at 3:06 AM

Just found this. Guess this is the trans version of puberty.

Years ago, Jazz was fitted with a puberty blocker, an implant with hormone suppressor medication. In 2017, she revealed that the medication suppressed the growth of her genitalia because it was given so early and that doctors were concerned that they would not have enough tissue for them work with for the gender confirmation surgery. In the YouTube video, she said doctors decided they could overcome the hurdle by extracting part of the lining of her peritoneum, which is regenerative and is located in the abdominal cavity, via laparoscopic surgery and using it to help graft a vaginal canal.

The procedure is relatively new, having been used for less than a decade for both gender confirmation surgeries for transgender patients and other vaginoplasty operations.

by Anonymousreply 330Last Tuesday at 3:10 AM

Welcome to womanhood, Jazz!

Jazz said the "only bad thing" about getting the surgery was that she would not be able to pee standing up anymore.

"Peeing standing up is something really cool and I don't think I appreciated it enough that I've been able to pee standing up and now I'm not gonna be able to pee standing up. Sorry if that's TMI, but like, honestly, when you wake up in the morning and you're lazy as hell and tired, it's the most convenient thing to do."

by Anonymousreply 331Last Tuesday at 3:11 AM

From Wikipedia:

"Jazz is a spokesmodel..."

Oh give me fucking strength!

by Anonymousreply 332Last Tuesday at 3:49 AM

The fact that Jazz's parents don't really care for his/her well-being is very obvious by the fact that they invited a film crew into their lives and profited off all of this. The poor kid never had a chance to have a normal life, his/her transition is basically his/her mum's career now.

by Anonymousreply 333Last Tuesday at 3:51 AM

Even in new photos Jazz is still doing that bared teeth smile like at R330. Doesn't look happy at all. Look at the eyes.

by Anonymousreply 334Last Tuesday at 3:54 AM

he/she looks so sad. Poor poor kid never had a chance. So much seems to have been taken away from him before he even knew what it was, such as the possibility to have a fulfilling sexual relationship with someone he loves in adulthood, it's so sad.

by Anonymousreply 335Last Tuesday at 3:57 AM

“gender confirmation “

Note the continual deliberate reframing of terms to more completely align with extreme trans theory and making the previous term first “problematic” and then “transphobic”, in this case “sex change” —superseded by “sex reassignment”— “problematically” signposts that the trannny was ever anything other than the sex/gender it now claims to be according to its inner voice/feeling/soul. Expect “trans woman” too go the same way to be replaced by just norman “biological women” Orwellian. Truly

by Anonymousreply 336Last Tuesday at 7:38 AM



by Anonymousreply 337Last Tuesday at 7:40 AM

That push has already started r336 with the “trans women ARE women” doublespeak. They are so deeply offensive to real women but for some reason whatever bullshit propaganda a tranny says suddenly become verboten to question.

by Anonymousreply 338Last Tuesday at 8:16 AM

Ugh. Stop saying “trans” women, they are just WOMEN. Only misogynist Nazi scum fucks still say “trans women”

by Anonymousreply 339Last Tuesday at 9:38 AM

I found the word "hysteria" very telling as well, R309.

by Anonymousreply 340Last Tuesday at 9:42 AM

I’m very curious as to who actually KNOWS these hordes of evil trans people. I’ve lived in L.A. and NYC and have yet to meet one.

Surely if they were are loud, violent and terrifying as these anonymous posters make them sound, i’d have noticed them in everyday life?

by Anonymousreply 341Last Tuesday at 9:43 AM

The third-place rider speaks out. Rachel had the utter shamelessness to retweet this!

by Anonymousreply 342Last Tuesday at 9:57 AM

That cheating prick has 20 times the natural testosterone of the women he beat. Do female athletes need to take testosterone now just to keep up? The UCI is run by morons.

by Anonymousreply 343Last Tuesday at 10:23 AM

Outsports whiteknighting for plucky imperilled innocent transmaiden

by Anonymousreply 344Last Tuesday at 10:39 AM

The idea that these ultra competitive trannys don’t see the larger game and the need to deliberately throw some games so as not to appear too dominant is so fucking myopic

by Anonymousreply 345Last Tuesday at 10:44 AM

He's not even in good shape. he's like a fatter Skippy from "Family Ties".

by Anonymousreply 346Last Tuesday at 10:56 AM

Pink News cheer at the destruction of women's sport. Brave and stunning.

by Anonymousreply 347Last Tuesday at 11:27 AM

In the mid-00s, Coronation Street did a storyline where Jack Duckworth wore drag so he could join the local women's bowling team. I remember people saying it was too far-fetched even for a comedy subplot on a soap opera. And a few years later it started happening in real life. Let that sink in.

by Anonymousreply 348Last Tuesday at 11:51 AM

"MPs asked not to be named-- for their own safety." So it's fine for members of parliament to be protected from these people, but throw the very same people into women's locker rooms and prisons? This shit is unbelievable!

by Anonymousreply 349Last Tuesday at 12:43 PM

Academics speak out:

by Anonymousreply 350Last Tuesday at 12:59 PM

What on earth is going on? This is getting very sinister now.

by Anonymousreply 351Last Tuesday at 1:10 PM

MP David Davis threatened with police action for hosting meetings to discuss changes to the Gender Recognition Act, transgenderism and the impact on women

by Anonymousreply 352Last Tuesday at 1:17 PM

Britain's Left is now perpetrating a new Fascism.

by Anonymousreply 353Last Tuesday at 1:24 PM


by Anonymousreply 354Last Tuesday at 1:31 PM

Ugh, I hate having to side with David Davis, R352!

by Anonymousreply 355Last Tuesday at 2:07 PM

R330 Holy fuck! Does that mean the poor kid will never have an orgasm?

by Anonymousreply 356Last Tuesday at 2:08 PM

I thought that r356, before the surgery he said he never had and Marci Bowers told him to jerk off and experiment, that if he didn't have them before he wouldn't after the surgery but he's a fucking kid, what does he know? He didn't do it, I'm sure, he said his dick grossed him out and he didn't like touching it which is certainly an indicator of being mature enough to make a life altering decision.

by Anonymousreply 357Last Tuesday at 2:41 PM

Jesus (R352) the TRA are such insidious awful bullies, truly sinister people. A small band of people who have somehow leveraged a ridiculous amount of power through a mixture of weaponised victim-hood and intimidation. Just in case anyone is unclear, I'm not talking about transsexuals, but the people who are driving this new movement and are at the centre of it - the people who don't believe you need to change anything about your body, or even have dysphoria, to declare yourself a transwoman, and that to be a transwoman is to be a female person. Absolute fuckers.

by Anonymousreply 358Last Tuesday at 2:48 PM

Trans are no friends to the gays, too bad Pink News doesn't know that.

by Anonymousreply 359Last Tuesday at 3:37 PM

What the hell does he even mean 'propaganda'? I'm fairly sure Zinnia Jones was the person who said that even if every single transwoman (inc. all males who id as trans) was a rapist they should still have access to women's bathrooms. He hates women and (apparently) gay people.

by Anonymousreply 360Last Tuesday at 3:47 PM

It's not really the left, r353, there is quite a lot of opposition to the GRA in the Labour party. It's the Tories who are brining these changes in.

R355. it's not that David Davis (this is a Welsh one with an e in his surname).

by Anonymousreply 361Last Tuesday at 3:52 PM

Zinnia is a self hating gay man who loves to put objects up his ass and debate trans issues because he hates women too.

by Anonymousreply 362Last Tuesday at 3:54 PM

Ah, thank you for clearing that up, R361.

by Anonymousreply 363Last Tuesday at 3:54 PM

Conservative MP David Davies is rabidly socially conservative, more so even than his more famous near-namesake, he also just happens to be entirely correct on this issue (broken clock etc) and has proved in aluble in fearlessly standing up to the deeply malign and anti-democratic influence of the TRAs whootherwise would be given absolute free rein to run amok and determine policy, thanks to the pusillanimous current liberal consensus in the media and the Labour Party infiltrated by entryist extremists often drawn from the same ilk as the TRAs

by Anonymousreply 364Last Tuesday at 4:54 PM

Are there British discussion boards you might bring this to?

We like hearing about your royal weddings, etc., but there’s little we can contribute about your prime ministers, politics, transsexuals etc.

it’s all legally very site-specific.

by Anonymousreply 365Last Tuesday at 5:05 PM

Here is a link to a debate about the Massachusetts ballot initiative that would limit male access to female facilities.

by Anonymousreply 366Last Tuesday at 5:09 PM

Rachel's tweeting at Ellen to try to get on her show. I swear to God, if Ellen brings him on and fawns all over him, my head will explode.

I've often wondered how much Ellen knows about the Terf Wars. Perhaps she doesn't *want* to know.

by Anonymousreply 367Last Tuesday at 5:57 PM

R367 do you really think that Ellen is friendly to the trans thing? I have the opposite impression. I remember Ellen's reaction to Caitlyn being on her show.

I don't think she hid her disdain very well.

by Anonymousreply 368Last Tuesday at 6:01 PM

Magdalen's surgery went well!

by Anonymousreply 369Last Tuesday at 6:04 PM

R368, just search "Ellen Degeneres Show transgender" on YouTube and it's one "stunning and brave" interview after the next. Now, maybe her POV has changed over the years... I mean, AfterEllen is a very gender critical site, and she has not asked them to stop using her name, but...

by Anonymousreply 370Last Tuesday at 6:09 PM

If only r369, but the prognosis for what she has is never good.

by Anonymousreply 371Last Tuesday at 6:10 PM

I know, R371, but I am praying for a miracle because I love her so much.

by Anonymousreply 372Last Tuesday at 6:14 PM

R369 The Magdalen person is having sexual realignment surgery?

by Anonymousreply 373Last Tuesday at 7:15 PM

No, r373 - she's a prominent gender-critical youtuber who has a talent for skewering TRA bullshit & newspeak. She just came out of surgery for glioblastoma (brain tumour).

by Anonymousreply 374Last Tuesday at 9:58 PM

Happy and hopeful for Magdalen. On another note, I rewatched the video of her and Posie Parker's confrontation with trans activists from April, and was reminded on how fucking funny it was on the surface: "I'm not a she you fucking CUNT! My pronouns are THEY!" "I don't care about your pronouns!"

by Anonymousreply 375Last Tuesday at 10:07 PM

R374 Brain surgery for a tumour, not the best prognosis

by Anonymousreply 376Last Tuesday at 10:12 PM

[quote]R374 No, [R373] - she's a prominent gender-critical youtuber who has a talent for skewering TRA bullshit & newspeak. She just came out of surgery for glioblastoma (brain tumour).

Thank you.

Do you think she’d get better if she just put all her negativity aside?

Disease is dis-ease.

by Anonymousreply 377Last Tuesday at 10:14 PM

R377, Magdalen isn't very negative at all. She's actually quite funny & optimistic. She might have a less stressful life if she weren't harassed constantly by outraged TRA's but she clearly cares about equality enough to stick her head over the parapet.

by Anonymousreply 378Last Tuesday at 10:18 PM

R361 Thanks for clearing that up, I’ve honestly spent the past few years thinking that David Davis was Welsh and am now very happy to hear he’s actually English.

by Anonymousreply 379Last Tuesday at 11:59 PM

r361 is there opposition in the Labour Party to the GRA? I'd love it if there was. All I've heard from Labour is pandering. I think at least 4 local Labour Party groups now have trans women as Women's Officers including the fragrant and proud lesbian Lily Madigan, much loved by Corbyn. A while ago a large number of gender critical and feminist women resigned from Labour in protest.

by Anonymousreply 380Last Wednesday at 12:25 AM

At last, The Guardian are speaking up a bit and another MP. Yesterday the published the letter from 100 academics calling for academic freedom and against harassment and bullying on trans issues. This is another Tory I think, Labour MPs are running scared for obvious reasons - their public support is based on progressivism (the TRA cult is regressive of course but at the moment most can't see that) and they rely more on the youth vote.

by Anonymousreply 381Last Wednesday at 1:38 AM

These posts come off as very bad taste jokes (R373/R377) Please stop. It is clear that her life is in danger and you know as well as anyone that a brain tumor isn't caused by 'negativity'.

by Anonymousreply 382Last Wednesday at 1:41 AM

Go fuck yourself, r377.

by Anonymousreply 383Last Wednesday at 1:51 AM

[quote]r382 These posts come off as very bad taste jokes ([R373] ... It is clear that her life is in danger...

Um, what am I SUPPOSED to think when there’s a pic of a mannish-looking woman and the quote [italic] [bold] “Magdalen's surgery went well!”

by Anonymousreply 384Last Wednesday at 2:23 AM

I'm surprised that this thread is still here because the one on Jazz Jennings is in the process of being deleted. For those who don't know, Jazz is a mtf trans teen. It was very a useful thread - I discovered (because I don't follow Jazz) that under hypnosis she thought that she was a gay man who had been rejected by his family.

It's disgusting that we are unable to discuss these issues on Datalounge of all places. Sure, not all trans people are repressed gays but as Jazz's hypnosis sessions shows, some are and we need to challenge the homophobia that forces these young people to deny their sexuality and consider themseleves trans.

by Anonymousreply 385Last Wednesday at 3:13 AM

R384 reminds me of those homophobes who when they get called out for saying "faggot" then try to claim they were talking about a bundle of sticks. You were trying to be insulting, and once called out you try and back up and pretend it was a misunderstanding. Pathetic. Says a lot about the paucity of any serious argument the trans brigade have when they have to constantly resort to personal attacks rather than an actual debate.

by Anonymousreply 386Last Wednesday at 3:24 AM

Not the Guardian review of mermaids 😂 but the best and most honest one you’ll hear, and from a social worker who knows her onions even if they identify as parsnips

by Anonymousreply 387Last Wednesday at 6:09 AM

^Oh and for context the Susie Green she mentions is the head of the alarmingly influential and verity well politically connected Mermaids charity and procurer of illegal castrations of 16yr old boys (her own)

by Anonymousreply 388Last Wednesday at 6:18 AM


by Anonymousreply 389Last Wednesday at 6:19 AM

Seriously, the poor girl's going through such a rough time, R377. Leave Magdalen alone!

by Anonymousreply 390Last Wednesday at 6:39 AM

Susie Green is so dangerous - another mother who seems to have made not just a career but an entire identity out of having a 'trans' child.

by Anonymousreply 391Last Wednesday at 6:40 AM

She’s probably also motivated unconsciously by a guilt complex and a need to justify her fucked up completely unethical and illegal (in the UK and subsequently Thailand )action

by Anonymousreply 392Last Wednesday at 6:53 AM

Oops r387 here... I meant, of course, review of Butterfly (but she references Mermaids who IIIRC possibly served as advisors —since they’re like creepy cockroaches and seem to turn up everywhere they smell a propaganda opportunity

by Anonymousreply 393Last Wednesday at 7:02 AM

Mermaids were all over the drama, their influence over it seems to have been huge. I think the many actress - Anna Friel thanked them, and possibly Susie personally in an interview/twitter for all of their help.

I think showing the ten year old attempting suicide by violent means (which would be unlikely IRL) and having that be the means by which they got their own way including having the family back together, was beyond irresponsible. I would be surprised if this didn't prompt other children to actually do something similar.

by Anonymousreply 394Last Wednesday at 7:21 AM

Found this in a comment on the 3rd (but in reality 2nd) place cyclist's twitter post

by Anonymousreply 395Last Wednesday at 10:10 AM

The backlash seems to be gaining ground. It's shocking how women aren't even allowed to talk about the issue to the extent that venues where women's groups arrange to meet to discuss their rights are cancelling their bookings. It's terrifying what is happening to them. Will it ever stop?

by Anonymousreply 396Last Wednesday at 10:20 AM

And here we have Labour's position - out and out support of transgenderism of the worst kind, they suggest referring to the extremist, homophobic and misogynistic Stonewall to assist completion of the consultation.

by Anonymousreply 397Last Wednesday at 11:56 AM

And to remind ourselves that not all trans are batshit crazy and are also coming under attack from the TRAs

by Anonymousreply 398Last Wednesday at 11:59 AM

That was very heartening to see, R398.

One of the reasons she sounds so sane is that she is obviously not an autogynephile.

by Anonymousreply 399Last Wednesday at 12:11 PM

So. Its old news I guess but I think its bizarrely hilarious that Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie got piled on for expressing the view that "trans women are trans women."

No room for facts here!

by Anonymousreply 400Last Wednesday at 12:46 PM

Feeling left out on International Pronouns Day-- by what SHOULD be its own community! : (

by Anonymousreply 401Last Wednesday at 1:43 PM

I can't tell if that's a parody, R401. Poe's Law in action.

by Anonymousreply 402Last Wednesday at 2:18 PM
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