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The Gays and Tennis 30: Is This Where We Talk About Laver Cup?

Asian Swing

and then...

Year-End Championship.

Let's talk about them.

by Anonymousreply 60010/29/2018
by Anonymousreply 109/21/2018

OP....WTF? Link relevance?

by Anonymousreply 209/21/2018

We need to discover some new cakes for future threads.

by Anonymousreply 309/22/2018

Murray's ending his season after Beijing to concentrate on his fitness.

by Anonymousreply 409/22/2018

Next year should be interesting on atp (on wta not so much, wta really needs new rising stars as soon as possible)

by Anonymousreply 509/22/2018

Porna in Shenzhen

by Anonymousreply 609/22/2018

I was at the Laver Cup night session yesterday. Great match between Schwartzman and Goffin, actually more compelling than the Federer/Djokovic doubles match. The two of them looked like they just couldn’t get in a rhythm.

by Anonymousreply 709/22/2018

I thought it was really cruel of the organisers to put Schwartzman next to Isner in that publicity photo. It made Schwartman look like a child.

by Anonymousreply 809/22/2018

Damn Porna is hot!!

by Anonymousreply 909/22/2018

I had a good view of the players’ couches from where we sat. Team Europe was very restrained and low-key, Team World was all over the place. Also Isner has absolutely ENORMOUS hands. Every time he started clapping they were all I could focus on.

by Anonymousreply 1009/22/2018

That kid Jary from Chile is pretty!

by Anonymousreply 1109/22/2018

Jack Sock & Lil' Diego

by Anonymousreply 1209/22/2018

Guangzhou: Q. Wang def. Putintseva to win second title of career and year

Seoul: the final will be between Bertens and Tomljanovic seeking her first title

Tokyo: Osaka will face Pliskova. Nice to see Osaka has kept her USO momentum going

St. Petersburg: Thiem will face Klizan who upset Wawrinka today

Metz: Bachinger upset Nishikori and will face Simon for the title

by Anonymousreply 1309/22/2018

I think Osake is going to be a nightmare for most top players. She has the big weapons but at the same time she has the defensive skills and she seems able to keep calm on court

by Anonymousreply 1409/22/2018

I really like Osaka but just can't see her dominating. There's something missing but I can't put my finger on it.

Anyone else feel this way or am I just a dreadful pessimist?

by Anonymousreply 1509/22/2018

She’s already doing much better than other first-time GS winners.

by Anonymousreply 1609/22/2018

Europe Team or the rest of the World Team?

by Anonymousreply 1709/22/2018

Europe team is way better.

With Osaka is difficult to know. She did fantastic at IW, she wasn't even nervous in the final, but she didn't rise her game till the US OPen. Next year will be useful to know if she is really going to be an amazing player or simply a good player who shows her skills from time to time like all the other top players. If she is comfortable being inconsistent like Kvitova or Muguruza or if she really wants to be one of the greats. In my opinion she has some advantages over most top players. She has weapons, a good serve, but she is able to defeat and even better she seems able to keep calm in the big matches. Of course you need some killing instinct, a hunger for winnng to really get into the next level (the young Monica Seles is a perfect example of that) and i don't know if she has that. But i will be surprised if she won't win at least a couple of more GS

by Anonymousreply 1809/22/2018

Osaka always had a big forehand and decent first serve. Her backhand will always be her weaker side though it's improved. The 2 biggest improvements she's made under Sascha are improved movement and consistency. She's getting to more balls which allows her to set up better and be more patient. I was very eager to see how she'd handle the fast and powerful (but inconsistent) Giorgi in the SF and she almost breezed through the match. Osaka won most of the longer points and wasn't bothered by the pace Giorgi was throwing her way.

Osaka has been dominant all week long whereas Pliskova has gone 3 sets in every match. The last time they played in IW Osaka won handily too. The final should be interesting

by Anonymousreply 1909/22/2018

Nadal sits it out. So I will too. And I love tennis.

by Anonymousreply 2009/22/2018

Genie Bouchard, clearly out of the goodness of her heart, decided to give someone else a chance to win Wuhan this week. She instead chose to enter Tashkent, where she is the CLEAR title favorite

by Anonymousreply 2109/22/2018

To whom does A. Zverev appeal?

by Anonymousreply 2209/22/2018

I am most definitely not one of the whoms, R22, given AZ's arrogance, petulance, and overall assholery.

And yes, you are a dreadful pessimist, R15. Osaka is one of the few from the WTA whom I enjoy watching any more--crafty, nimble, understated, professional and seemingly effortless.

Coric needs a thread gathering all of his shirtless and ass pics. I don't understand why Thiem is the DL tennis poster boy instead. That ass is outweighed by the Keebler elfishness and his beard.

by Anonymousreply 2309/22/2018

Chengdu and Shenzen draws out too.

Lots of opportunity in Chengdu with someone unexpected to win the title as unreliable Fognini (who has just 1 hardcourt title he won this year) and titleless Chung as the top 2 seeds.

Shenzen has the better field including WC Murray. Goffin and titleless Tsitsipas are the top 2 seeds.

by Anonymousreply 2409/22/2018

*Lots of opportunity in Chengdu FOR someone

by Anonymousreply 2509/22/2018


by Anonymousreply 2609/22/2018

R22 His appeal ends at his hair.

by Anonymousreply 2709/22/2018

it's so weird seeing Roger and Novak acting like bffs during the Laver Cup. They've been seen talking to each other for long periods of time and laughing, cheering each other on etc. just weird!

by Anonymousreply 2809/22/2018

Pliskova def. Osaka 6-4 6-4 for the Tokyo title. For the first time all week, Osaka was visibly nervous and frustrated. Her backhand was too flat and she made a lot of unforced errors off that side.

by Anonymousreply 2909/22/2018

R27 I'd say Z's appeal ends at his personality.

by Anonymousreply 3009/22/2018

Kevin’s Anderson’s wife was just on Instagram and she was showing all the swag they received from the Laver cup! She’s real sweet and very attractive!

by Anonymousreply 3109/23/2018

Bertens wins Seoul in 3 sets

Thiem wins St. Petersburg easily

Simon wins Metz in straights

by Anonymousreply 3209/23/2018

Simon will never fade away

by Anonymousreply 3309/23/2018

Simon is a vulture. He takes advantage of when top players (in this case Nishikori) get upset. Simon and Gasquet are small-tournament whores as that's all they can win.

by Anonymousreply 3409/23/2018

I think Zverev could be a fan favourite, he is quite handsome and he knows how to be charming when he wants. Unfortunately he is arrogant and his behaviour on court is far from being the best. If he is able to start to behave on court and downs the ego a bit it could work (but i don't have high hopes about that). And right now he is clearly the best young player (in fact he is the only one who is a top player) but i don't know how he'll react when the rivals start to catch him, specially if he didn't reach the next level on GS soon

by Anonymousreply 3509/23/2018

A. Zverev is a poor loser and has already set a precedent of being a jerk to umpires, linespeople, the press, and pretty much everyone else. Let's hope he's overtaken soon by the likes of Tsitsipas, Auger-Aliassime, Coric, Tiafoe and others who may not have reached their potential as quickly but at least know how to be gentlemen on the court, even if they have the occasional broken tennis racket.

by Anonymousreply 3609/23/2018

R36: You have a very loose concept of gentleman. Maybe none of them has reached the Zverev levels of assholery but most of them had their moments of bad behaviour in their short career. Even a nice guy like De Miñaur smashed a raquet on the US Open.

Most young players seem very nice outside court (in fact even Zverev seems nice most of the time even he can't hide his big ego) but on court they are generally very aggressive and they seem to have some problems when things don't go their way. It's true that Zverev behaviour should be corrected as soon as possible, but the rest are no angels (not even Tsitsipas who seems a very nice and inteligent guy).

And i hope Felix problems on the US Open were not important, that guy has a lot of potential

by Anonymousreply 3709/23/2018

man, that Coric has a cock on him... whew

by Anonymousreply 3809/23/2018

He pulled out of Laver cup.

by Anonymousreply 3909/23/2018

Shapo's idol is Vladimir Putin and he dreams of the possibility of meeting the Russian president.

by Anonymousreply 4009/23/2018

R40 did he really say that?

by Anonymousreply 4109/23/2018

He even wants to move to Russia.

by Anonymousreply 4209/23/2018

wow. I wonder if he even pays attention to the news. I'm sure they're as hard on him in Canada as they are here.

Then again, Shapo had no clue Celine Dion is Canadian so he's quite ignorant.

I mean if he supports the way Putin rules Russia with his corruption, money laundering and crackdown on human rights, that's problematic.

by Anonymousreply 4309/23/2018

When you want to please the audience on a tournament things like this can happen and i don't know if his comments will be that popular on his own country He doesn't seem particulary bright (which is not rare on profesional sports)

by Anonymousreply 4409/23/2018

I am not a fan of Laver Cup, which is just a glorified series of exhibition matches, but I do like seeing Isner lose.

by Anonymousreply 4509/23/2018

I think the Laver is fun.

by Anonymousreply 4609/23/2018

Yes, R37, it's a low bar: Don't scream invective at umpires and the crowd, don't roll your eyes and walk out of press conferences when asked questions that aren't adulatory, and don't yell "this is my fucking court" when you win a match. The younger Zverev doesn't even get over the low bar, whereas the others do. A broken tennis racket doesn't mind getting abused.

by Anonymousreply 4709/23/2018


by Anonymousreply 4809/23/2018

His sculpted brows....

by Anonymousreply 4909/23/2018

Genie Bouchard put up a valiant effort but lost 3-6 3-6 to World #1 dominant player Nao Hibino in the first round of grand slam Tashkent. Bouchard has been so unlucky this year drawing Hibino 3 times, including just last week and lost all 3 times.

by Anonymousreply 5009/23/2018

Team Europe with the Laver Cup

by Anonymousreply 5109/24/2018

What do we think will happen to the Laver Cup when Fed retires (sooner rather than later if I had to put money on it)? Will he take over as Team Europe captain?

by Anonymousreply 5209/24/2018

R52, Fed will be assimilated into the Borg collective. Resistance is futile.

by Anonymousreply 5309/24/2018

Carlita shows her pussy

by Anonymousreply 5409/24/2018

[quote] Carlita shows her pussy

Who’s that?

by Anonymousreply 5509/24/2018

[quote]Shapo's idol is Vladimir Putin and he dreams of the possibility of meeting the Russian president.

[quote]He even wants to move to Russia.

Nonsense. I suspect the article is concocted by Russian media, and we know Putin controls that... in other words, I speculate that it is Putin who would like to meet Shapo, and offer him citizenship. Shapo is fluent in Russian, which is rare on the world-stage.

by Anonymousreply 5609/24/2018

R55 Carla Suarez Navarro, Spanish tennis player. Last seen losing to Madison Keys in the US Open quarterfinals.

by Anonymousreply 5709/24/2018

[quote]Last seen losing to Madison Keys in the US Open quarterfinals

CSN actually played in Wuhan today, but lost to Sabalenka

by Anonymousreply 5809/24/2018

Carlita has a beautiful pussy.

And it's quite obvious that Federer has a thing for bad guys, he really seems to care for Zverev (and Kyrgios) and the advice he gave Sascha was really good

by Anonymousreply 5909/24/2018

Shapo said it all. If you read the Russian interview he says that he has a "Russian soul" and that he's annoyed that Anglophone Canadians still can't say his name properly.

by Anonymousreply 6009/24/2018

R60: Great way to become a fan favourite in your country

by Anonymousreply 6109/24/2018

Canadian press I would think is against Putin too...I hope Shapo gets destroyed for these comments. What an ignorant brat. I hope he never wins a slam

by Anonymousreply 6209/24/2018

Bieber is also very ignorant too.

by Anonymousreply 6309/24/2018

[quote]Osaka is one of the few from the WTA whom I enjoy watching any more--crafty, nimble, understated, professional and seemingly effortless.

Couldn’t agree more, r23.

by Anonymousreply 6409/24/2018

Is this where we talk about tennis death? If not let’s make it so.

Tennis Star's Ex-Husband Killed Their 2 Children as They Slept Before Turning Gun on Himself

On September 21, Stephanie Reece received a call that no parent wants to get. Her two children, Harrison, 15, and Shelby, 13, had not shown up to school.

When the former pro tennis player — who competed at Wimbledon and in the US Open in the Nineties — could not get a hold of her children or her ex-husband, Michael Hunn, she drove over to Hunn’s house in Zionsville, Indiana but the doors were locked and secured and nobody answered.

She knew something was wrong, so she called the police.

Officers entered the home around 10:30 a.m. and discovered Shelby and Harrison in their beds, fatally shot, and Hunn, 50, dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

by Anonymousreply 6509/24/2018

Wow I guess no one cares about the much vaunted Asian Swing.

Help lost 06-, 5-7 today to Cibulkova.

by Anonymousreply 6609/25/2018

R66 I'm following it. A lot of upsets so far in Wuhan

btw a rumored #nextgen couple is Michael Mmoh and Fanny Stollar

by Anonymousreply 6709/25/2018

[quote] Carla Suarez Navarro, Spanish tennis player. Last seen losing to Madison Keys in the US Open quarterfinals.

I don't know her.

by Anonymousreply 6809/25/2018

Puig! def. Wozniacki 7-6 7-5 in Wuhan. Kvitova and Kerber also lost, so none of the top 10 seeds reached the QF

Shapovalov & Tsitsipas both lost in Shenzhen

by Anonymousreply 6909/26/2018


by Anonymousreply 7009/26/2018

Serena's pulled out of the China Open.

by Anonymousreply 7109/26/2018

[quote] Serena's pulled out of the China Open.

Fortunately her husband pulled out so she never had a baby.

by Anonymousreply 7209/26/2018

Puig is great but frustrating to root for, all the ingredients are there, but wildly mentally inconsistent. In many ways, she's Sloane Stephens without a major.

by Anonymousreply 7309/26/2018

I wish the Asian Swing kicked off the year, leading up to the Australian Open, and the season just ends after the US Open. The top players are done, hurt, or going through the motions, opening the door for the Jack Socks and Caroline Garcias to get an inflated ranking for a year that doesn't really reflect their playing level.

by Anonymousreply 7409/26/2018

The 'Asian Swing' has never really taken off.

As R74 says, the top players are done for the year and the spectator numbers are embarrassing.

by Anonymousreply 7509/26/2018

Puig doesn't have as good of a serve as Sloane

by Anonymousreply 7609/26/2018

Muguruza just lost to Siniakova (who defeated defending champ Garcia the other day in rd1)

Auger-Aliassime lost in the final round of qualifying but as a lucky loser is now into the QF of Chengdu after defeating Chung in 3 sets. He'll have a good shot at reaching the SF since his opponent will be Tomic

by Anonymousreply 7709/26/2018


by Anonymousreply 7809/26/2018

Coric just lost to Norrie in straight sets. For someone whose game is predicated on consistency, Coric sure is inconsistent.

by Anonymousreply 7909/26/2018


by Anonymousreply 8009/26/2018

The Lavatory Cup

by Anonymousreply 8109/26/2018

The Asian Schwing

by Anonymousreply 8209/26/2018

Muguuruza should focus on her tennis and not on red carpets. She has everything to be a multi GS winner but sometimes she seems that she doesn't care

by Anonymousreply 8309/26/2018

So a WTA Tier I, with most of the top players present, and the draw cut-off at No. 48, is down to the eight remaining players ranked 17, 20, 27, 31, 34, 39, 47, and 51.

Is it any wonder stands would be empty? These aren't bad players - all but Puig are top 50 - but if you don't follow the sport closely, you're lucky to know one of the remaining 8 players. Will the casual tennis fan decide to attend even if they don't know *anyone* on court?

by Anonymousreply 8409/26/2018

last 8 in Tashkent

Anna Karolina Schmiedlova

Mona Barthel

Kateryna Kozlova

Fanny Stollar

Dalila Jakupovic

Vera Lapko

Anastasia Potapova

Margarita Gasparyan

by Anonymousreply 8509/26/2018

Draw for Qualifying round of Davis Cup 2019 (to be held on 1-2 Feb)








Czech Republic-Netherlands





The TBA will depend on the regulation play off of group 1 to be played next month. It is either Portugal, Slovakia, Belarus or South Africa depending on the ranking after these matches

by Anonymousreply 8609/26/2018

The equivalent would be a Tier I Men's event that saw all the top guys lose early: Nadal AND Federer AND Djokovic AND Murray AND DelPotro AND Wawrinka AND Zverev AND Thein AND Cilic AND Anderson AND Dimitrov AND Isner.

I think the closest we saw was Paris last October, which had the final eight as :Nadal, Krajonovic, Del Porto, Isner, Benneteau, Cilic, Verdasco, Sock

by Anonymousreply 8709/26/2018

to be fair, Serena, Venus, Sharapova, Azarenka and Osaka all withdrew from the tournament.

by Anonymousreply 8809/26/2018

the Thiem brothers in an elevator

by Anonymousreply 8909/26/2018

Murray will face Goffin today...should be an interesting match

by Anonymousreply 9009/26/2018

[quote]Murray will face Goffin today...should be an interesting match

Judy's excited

by Anonymousreply 9109/26/2018

Thiem Thiem team

by Anonymousreply 9209/26/2018

I am on Thiem team too.

by Anonymousreply 9309/26/2018

[quote] Murray will face Goffin today...should be an interesting match

I am on Misery team.

by Anonymousreply 9409/26/2018

Would be so fun to be double Thiemed

by Anonymousreply 9509/26/2018

[quote]Fortunately [Serena’s] husband pulled out so she never had a baby.

But I heard somewhere she HAD A BABY!!! and was the only woman in the world who had won a tennis match after having A BABY!!!!, r72.

by Anonymousreply 9609/27/2018

Is Serena going to play the YEC?

by Anonymousreply 9709/27/2018

Porna's basket!

by Anonymousreply 9809/27/2018

Hadley Freeman in the Guardian has written a rather ill-advised article about how Serena is representative of all women (?). The 800-plus comments are not very Serena-friendly.

by Anonymousreply 9909/27/2018

R97 she hasnt qualified and wont

by Anonymousreply 10009/27/2018

I think Serena's days of playing the Asian Swing are over unless she does it as part of a farewell tour. She's in it for Grand Slam titles only. I mentioned it on another thread but I think at most it will be the 4 GS, one tuneup tourney before AO, French and the US, and maybe Indian Wells or Miami but not both.

by Anonymousreply 10109/27/2018

The latest Beyond the Baseline podcast has Wertheim and Annacone gushing over The Laver Cup, culminating in Wertheim suggesting the event could challenge The Grand Slams in popularity.


Is Wertheim heavily medicated? Or am I missing something by thinking of Laver Cup as a glorified exhibition?

by Anonymousreply 10209/27/2018

[quote] culminating in Wertheim suggesting the event could challenge The Grand Slams in popularity.


by Anonymousreply 10309/27/2018

if they want to hold that Laver Cup shit DO IT IN THE OFF SEASON. Stop acting like an exho is more important than a real event. What a dumbass thing for them to say

by Anonymousreply 10409/27/2018

Laver Cup appeal comes from an opportunity to see players who normally fight against each others as a part of one team - it worked great with Rafa and Roger last year, not nearly as good with Djok and Roger this year though. Another pairing people were hyped about was Zverev & Roger as the representation of two distinct generations. If Laver Cup can guarantee the line up of charismatic players it will survive, but without it the Europe- rest of the world rivarly is not enough to make people that interested.

by Anonymousreply 10509/27/2018

Well Misery beat Goffin and will face Vedasco again.

by Anonymousreply 10609/27/2018

Misery team

by Anonymousreply 10709/27/2018

US Davis Cup Captain Jim Courier has stepped down after 8 years

by Anonymousreply 10809/27/2018

R108, is he going to coach young Grigor?

by Anonymousreply 10909/27/2018

I was watching a rerun of a Hopman Cup match between Federer and Sock. I knew Sock had a big ass but I never noticed it was that huge. It’s probably bigger than that of Domicakes Thiem. Thoughts on Sock’s ass?

by Anonymousreply 11009/27/2018

Zverev and Melo are having fun in Beijing.

by Anonymousreply 11109/27/2018

I'm watching the Shenzhen Open quarters with Ramos-Vinolas and Herbert. Ramos-Vinolas is showing a nice package in his white shorts. Herbert's trim-fit blue shorts are cute as well. Both guys look like they can use some sleep and a cheeseburger though.

by Anonymousreply 11209/28/2018


by Anonymousreply 11309/28/2018

The final day scheduling of the tacky Laver Cup was designed for Roger's ego. Scheduling him in the 1st 2matches of the day - back to back - he could clinch it with 2 wins. Leaving Novak to play the final match would have put the pressure on him if it had come down to a live final match. As it turned out Novak didn't get to play. Roger is such an asshole and if anyone thinks mental midget Bjorn Borg set that schedule, well......

by Anonymousreply 11409/28/2018

The Laver Cup has been a huge success but it is still a glorified exho. It's a good chance for the relatively lesser known players to raise their profiles and of course there's loads of money in it for everyone.

There are tournaments out there that could only dream of attendance figures like those.

by Anonymousreply 11509/28/2018

Mmmm, I like a furry Popsicle.

by Anonymousreply 11609/28/2018

Would suck him dry on Centre Court 😋

by Anonymousreply 11709/28/2018

Serena to take the rest of the season off.

by Anonymousreply 11809/28/2018

I didn’t realize Popsicle had chest hair. Surprised.

by Anonymousreply 11909/28/2018

[quote] Serena to take the rest of the season off.

Is it because she had a...?

by Anonymousreply 12009/28/2018

So will he come out now, r108?

by Anonymousreply 12109/28/2018

[quote]Is it because she had a...?

a hangnail, r120?

by Anonymousreply 12209/28/2018

Verdasco beats Andy Murray 6-4 6-4 to reach the Shenzen SF

by Anonymousreply 12309/28/2018

God, Popsicle is yummmier than before with his chest hair. I was losing interest in him, but schwing, he's got my attention again.

by Anonymousreply 12409/28/2018

yeah, that chest is droolworthy

by Anonymousreply 12509/28/2018

Murray had already lost that match when he said he was pulling out for the rest of the year.

by Anonymousreply 12609/28/2018

Tomic having one of his few good weeks. People like Tomic are the reason Roger, Novak and Rafa's career are lasting that long. It's not the same playing with 33 when you know you only have a little odd of winning a GS that playing when you are one of the big favourites. There were a couple of generations who had the game but not the mentality to dethrene the big three. And the next gen is probably the same but they had the big advantage that now Roger, Nole and Rafa are old, so it's only a question of time

by Anonymousreply 12709/29/2018

Diva Verdasco.

by Anonymousreply 12809/29/2018

Is this where we talk about Ryder Cup?

by Anonymousreply 12909/29/2018

R128 Ugh Verdasco is disgusting.

by Anonymousreply 13009/29/2018

yay new titlist! In Tashkent, Margarita Gasparyan (who became top 50 a few years ago before injury) def. rising 17 year old Anastasia Potapova 6-2 6=1

in Wuhan, Sabalenka wins her second career title def. Kontaveit 6-3 6-3

in Chengdu Fognini def. Fritz in 3 sets and will face a resurgent Tomic who def. Sousa in straights

in Shenzen we're guaranteed a new titlist! yay! Nishioka won a third set tiebreak over Verdasco and will face Herbert who also won a third set tiebreak over de Minaur

by Anonymousreply 13109/29/2018

Beijing and Tokyo draws are out. Women's action in Beijing has already started with Kvitova getting crushed by Gavrilova and Svitolina choking to lose in 3rd set tiebreak to Krunic

As expected, Nadal, Federer, Djokovic, Serena and Venus aren't playing. Azarenka and Osaka have both withdrawn again too

by Anonymousreply 13209/29/2018

Please anyone! What's next WTA final to pencil Genie Bouchard into? Asking for a friend.


by Anonymousreply 13309/29/2018

Svitolina's days in the top 10 are numbered if she can't even successfully vulture the Asian swing.

by Anonymousreply 13409/29/2018

By the way Marcelo Rios called Federer Mrs (señora in spanish) supposely to show (with some misoginy included) that he is too polite for his taste. He called Sock a clown (i don't know what Sock did to upset him) and Sampras was boring to him (i suppose not winning any of their matches made him more boring).

Ríos was a very talented player but he always had a big mouth. He is probably the worst number one ever, slamless (he lost his only GS against Korda bordering ridicule) and his other highlight was when he spend a press conference crying because his girlfriend dumped him (if my memory doesn't fail he cheated on her). As i say he was talented but not a champion by any means (very weak mentally)

by Anonymousreply 13509/29/2018

The attendance for all these Chinese events has been pathetic. (Japan has had typically great crowd numbers). Even the Murray/Verdasco match, held on a Friday night, in Shenzen (a very large city) was played to a mostly empty stadium.

by Anonymousreply 13609/29/2018

Only in tennis do you have 12 year old kids running around the work place, taking care of the needs of millionaires, fetching them their soiled towels, holding umbrellas over their head, picking up their trash, giving them water bottles and going unpaid.

by Anonymousreply 13709/29/2018

Rios made Nastase look like Kim Clijsters. What a surly motherfucker.

by Anonymousreply 13809/29/2018

God, I love Pospisil. Thank you forever, R113.

by Anonymousreply 13909/29/2018

[quote}in Wuhan, Sabalenka wins her second career title def. Kontaveit 6-3 6-3

Sabalenka with her coach Dmitry Tursunov

by Anonymousreply 14009/30/2018

If Sabalenka is able to control her nerves and keep the focus she will be a top player in no time

by Anonymousreply 14109/30/2018

Tomic and Nishioka wins Chengdau and Shenzen. Both in 3 sets

by Anonymousreply 14209/30/2018

[quote]Tomic and Nishioka win Chengdu and Shenzen

Tomic looked really happy with the win, he's back in the top 100 again

Scone Stephens just won her 1st match on the Asian Swing in 3 years

by Anonymousreply 14309/30/2018

happy to see another first time ATP winner. Nishioka in particular. He was rising quickly in 2017 but then ruptured his ACL.

I hope Sloane can qualify for the YEC but there are several contenders who have a chance as well

by Anonymousreply 14409/30/2018

Don't tell Serena, Martina Hingis is going to have a baby!

by Anonymousreply 14509/30/2018

whoa i've NEVER seen Sloane get so angry before

Pavlyuchenkova called for the trainer just before Sloane was serving for the second set I think it was 5-2. Sloane went on to win that set 6-4 (and the third set too). She was having words with the umpire for allowing it when Pavlyuchenkova overheard the conversation and came over to call Sloane "disrespectful". They went back and forth before the umpire had them both go back to their sides. Then after in a point, Pavyluchenkova tried to hit Sloane with an overhead. Sloane won the point and as she turned around said "this fucking bitch tried to hit me" lol drama!

by Anonymousreply 14609/30/2018

Jack Sock will be defending 1,545 of his 1,850 singles ranking points from now (China Open in Beijing starts tomorrow) until the end of the season

by Anonymousreply 14709/30/2018

Poor, adorable PHH :-(

by Anonymousreply 14809/30/2018


by Anonymousreply 14909/30/2018

ATP service for the AZverev-Melo fan

by Anonymousreply 15009/30/2018

after winning back-to-back challengers, Mmoh has now debuted in the top 100 at #96 !!! Looks like he'll at least start next draw in several main draw ATP tournaments

by Anonymousreply 15109/30/2018

R150 we no longer have a Melo-Zverev fan here. Was it ESL?

by Anonymousreply 15209/30/2018

I'm a Melo/Zverev fan, R152, and not ESL, but it seemed to me that nobody was that interested in them here, so I mostly stopped mentioning them.

by Anonymousreply 15309/30/2018

Embarrassing outdoor hardcourt loss for Coric to 37 year old #71 Lopez!

by Anonymousreply 15409/30/2018

Is Rafa injured are just relaxing?

by Anonymousreply 15509/30/2018

he had that knee injury at the USO so he's out for now. Not sure when he'll play again

by Anonymousreply 15609/30/2018

I don’t think ESL has gone far.

by Anonymousreply 15710/01/2018

Rafa didn't want to play Davis Cup indoors vs. France, hence the 'injury'.

by Anonymousreply 15810/01/2018

Please, no more homo fanfic for Zverev and Melo. It was nonsense to wade through that shit.

by Anonymousreply 15910/01/2018

Zverev and Melo is very difficult to believe, they are even clearly joking about it.

An openly gay tennis players shouldn't be that hard to find but i suppose we'll have to wait some years

by Anonymousreply 16010/01/2018

maybe if we dig hard, we can find a gay in the top 500. somewhere

by Anonymousreply 16110/01/2018

[quote] maybe if we dig hard, we can find a gay in the top 500. somewhere

In the WTA they’re everywhere!

by Anonymousreply 16210/01/2018

R161: There's probably more than one gay player in the top 200 (simple estadistics) but i doubt they'll come out in a near future

by Anonymousreply 16310/01/2018

yup all we have currently is retired former top 15 Gambill and retired journeyman Vahaly

by Anonymousreply 16410/01/2018

Gasquet is obviously gay tho.

by Anonymousreply 16510/01/2018

R165 It's not true. I've kissed him

by Anonymousreply 16610/01/2018

Was Gambill journeyman?

by Anonymousreply 16710/01/2018

^ yeah. A hot one, though.

Rafa is gay.

by Anonymousreply 16810/01/2018

I rubbed one out to that pic of Porna. Damn.

by Anonymousreply 16910/01/2018


"Beginning in January 2019, the Tennis Channel will be the U.S. television and digital media home of the WTA, featuring Premier and International tournaments as well as the WTA Finals."

by Anonymousreply 17010/01/2018

That’s compelling, R170.

by Anonymousreply 17110/01/2018

Truly compelling, r170.

by Anonymousreply 17210/01/2018

thank you

by Anonymousreply 17310/01/2018

Noone but the tennis channel would have the WTA. Tennis Channel must’ve received quite a discount from the WTA to unload all their tournaments onto them.

by Anonymousreply 17410/01/2018

The ball kid pings (the sweat of male tennis players, indeed), and says a lot of interesting things about being a ball kid.

What shocked me, though, is that the ball kids are told to expect abusive language from players and to stand there and take it. Players who behave like Verdasco should be fined, and NO player should think of ball kids as their personal slaves and towel-bearers. Players never used to ask for a towel after each rally until about ten years ago, and now every player seems to be using that offensively off-handed palm-hovering-around-face gesture, sometimes without even looking in the ball kid’s direction, when summoning a towel. Ugh.

by Anonymousreply 17510/02/2018

Ostapenko was double bageled by some random Chinese player.

Such depth of the WTA tour!

by Anonymousreply 17610/02/2018

R175 and I don't understand why the ballkids don't get the same respect as the chair umpire. I agree it should not be OK to be rude or verbally abusive to a ballkid/adult

by Anonymousreply 17710/02/2018

R176 she's not random. She's currently having a hot streak and recently broke into the top 30 with 2 titles this year. Ostapenko shouldn't have been double bageled by her Qiang Wang is not some random scrub

how about Cilic choking a 6-5 in the third set lead to lose to journeyman Struff?

by Anonymousreply 17810/02/2018

R166: It's funny that the kiss excuse is the one Shawn Barber used too (he came out months later)

by Anonymousreply 17910/02/2018

Apparently Sascha has a girlfriend now...

Btw., I was rereading old threads and there seemed to be some speculation about Djokovic being bi? Does anyone still think that?

by Anonymousreply 18010/02/2018

What girlfriend? Did Melo wear a dress??

by Anonymousreply 18110/02/2018

A girlfriend is almost mandatory if you are prominent enough (unless you don't mind gay rumours).

Anyway, Sascha is like a typical straight teen with a big ego. I find curious that he has gay rumours at all (his relationship with Melo seems similar to what he had with his big bro, and Melo seems to have a teen mentality too)

by Anonymousreply 18210/02/2018

[quote] his relationship with Melo seems similar to what he had with his big bro

M. Zverev?

by Anonymousreply 18310/02/2018

R182 some athletes are very immature as they didn't go through the whole school process. I'll never forget Jankovic complaining a few years ago that a lot of them "have never seen the inside of a classroom". You don't have to be that mature if you're an athlete or entertainer.

by Anonymousreply 18410/02/2018

R184: True, if you are not bright and you don't have a real interest in knowing what's happening around you you can look dumb as a rock in interviews.

That's not Zverev case, he simply looks very inmature, he has a lot of teenage traits and an ego difficult to hide. He can be charming too when he wants.

I think the Federer/Nadal strategy to not get themselves in hot waters keeping the conversation focused on tennis maybe make them less interesting as characters but in the long run keep them for putting their feet in their mouth more often.

AT least in tennis being well spoken, like to read and arts and being smart is not something that makes you suspicious like in soccer (they seems to like their idols the dumber the better)

by Anonymousreply 18510/02/2018

According to rumors, it is Ivan who pushed Melo out of Sasha's life.

by Anonymousreply 18610/03/2018

Rumours where? And any source for the girlfriend news?

by Anonymousreply 18710/03/2018

Didn't someone post that Melo and Sascha were together in Beijing just this week? So he's hardly been pushed out?

by Anonymousreply 18810/03/2018

Someone posted a photo of them alone at a restaurant together but they were not sitting next to each other as straight bros do.

by Anonymousreply 18910/03/2018

Melo is in Sascha's story from a few minutes ago. The alleged gf was at his 1st round match.

by Anonymousreply 19010/03/2018

Well, to be fair, an athlete (or an actor, singer) doesn't need to do anything to "have a girlfriend". He only needs to be seen in public with an appropiate girl to the rumours spread like butter. PDA is not needed and he can even go full Shawn Mendes and saying she is just a friend, the rumours will spread if his team wants (or even if a journalist wants).

I always cringe when some (not all) sport journalist ask about the dating life of an athlete. And they sometimes are very eager to spread gay rumours. Italian journalists seem to be very pressed about Marc Márquez sexuality, everytime there's a conflict with Valentino Rossi, you have the "Marquez likes to go to gay bars" in the italian press.

Saying that, Zverev needs to make some changes in his life, i don't know if he is too focused on his career not focused enough, but he needs to find a balance between his job and his personal life. Right now he has in a position of advantage, he is a top player for some time, the other young players are not there. We'll see if hitting machine Djokovic last or he'll be erratic again, but if Zverev is not the first young player in winning a GS the pressure could be too much for him

by Anonymousreply 19110/03/2018

Richard Gasquet def. Nick Kyrgios 7-6 7-6 to reach the QFs in Tokyo. Alex De Minaur will be the new Australian number 1 on Monday

by Anonymousreply 19210/04/2018

Aryna Sabalenka comes back from 5-7, 3-5 to beat the defending champion Caroline Garcia 5-7, 7-6(3), 6-0 in Beijing and make the QFs.

Keeps her Singapore dream alive.

by Anonymousreply 19310/04/2018

A. Zverev looks awful under artificial lighting.

by Anonymousreply 19410/04/2018

Maybe Goffin is gay..he kind of pings

by Anonymousreply 19510/04/2018

Sabalenka has played an awful lot since the Open. She better hope to win Beijing otherwise she has to fly to Moscow and win a few rounds there to qualify before flying back to Singapore. She might not have anything left. She's quite a bit out of the last spot. Even a runner-up finish in Beijing leaves her at #10 in the Singapore race, roughly 200 points from the last spot. Halep has a herniated disc so I assume she will bow out, or show up and get bageled again before withdrawing. Alternates likely will play.

by Anonymousreply 19610/04/2018

Probably the best point of the season

BTW Sasha lost to Malek

by Anonymousreply 19710/04/2018

“Al” Jaziri

by Anonymousreply 19810/04/2018

Is Lendl there with A Zverev?

by Anonymousreply 19910/04/2018

Yes, R199.

by Anonymousreply 20010/04/2018

Dimitrov and Sock's rankings are going to take major hits after the WTF as neither will qualify

Same with Venus for the YEC

Qiang Wang def. Pliskova for the second week in a row

by Anonymousreply 20110/04/2018

[quote]Sabalenka has played an awful lot since the Open. She better hope to win Beijing otherwise she has to fly to Moscow and win a few rounds there to qualify before flying back to Singapore

I think she's playing in Tianjin before Moscow as's only an 'International' though, so she'll probably withdraw if she wins Beijing

by Anonymousreply 20210/04/2018

R195: Goffin has a gilrfriend and i think she is previous to his rise on the rankings

by Anonymousreply 20310/04/2018

sometimes it's hard to tell with Euro guys. "Euro or gay?" is a common question

by Anonymousreply 20410/04/2018

[quote] sometimes it's hard to tell with Euro guys. "Euro or gay?" is a common question

Does the same apply to Euro gnomes?

by Anonymousreply 20510/04/2018

Dimitrov will be a dangerous floater at the Aussie Open-- his ranking is going to sink. Sock's will too, but he's less dangerous. And Stan is playing well again--it's only a matter of time before he starts beating the big guys again.

by Anonymousreply 20610/04/2018

Agreed, R203. Lots of pics of them together online.

by Anonymousreply 20710/04/2018

Local favorite Qiang Wang ends Aryna Sabalenka’s winning streak with a 7-5, 7-5 win to reach the last 4 in Beijing. I don't think Sabalenka is able to make the WTA Finals after this loss

Beijing WTA SF:

Anastasija Sevastova vs. Naomi Osaka

Wang Qiang vs. Caroline Wozniacki

Beijing ATP SF:

Juan Martín Del Potro vs. Fabio Fognini

Kyle Edmund vs. Nikoloz Basilashvili

by Anonymousreply 20810/05/2018

Sabalenka could be an alternate and play if someone like Halep, who is injured, retires.

by Anonymousreply 20910/05/2018

Halep will probably pull out of the YEC and Kerber, Osaka, Kvitova and Wozniacki have qualified. If Halep doesn't play, that leaves open 4 more spots between Stephens, Svitolina, Pliskova, Bertens and Sabalenka. Mertens had a shot but lost early in all the Asian events so I think she could only be an alternate at this point.

by Anonymousreply 21010/05/2018

'Moni' (aka 'Money') Halep seems pretty determined to play Singapore

by Anonymousreply 21110/05/2018

Does Halep need help?

by Anonymousreply 21210/05/2018

Halep does a lousy job of managing her schedule and taking care of herself. Playing through back injuries?? Ask Tracy Austin how well that worked out. Or Tiger Woods if you want a recent example even though he's older. Just because both tours insist on prolonging the season beyond the point it makes sense doesn't mean you have to play. Kudos to Nadal and Serena for recognizing this.

by Anonymousreply 21310/05/2018

Should they get rid of the much-vaunted Asian swing and move the “year-end” championship to October? Shout there even be a YEC?

by Anonymousreply 21410/05/2018

Sabalenka should take some time to adjust after becoming a top player out of the blue and work in improving her mentality. She has potential but given that she never was a top junior player i doubt she thought she could get that high so soon (and right now her level is better than her ranking)

by Anonymousreply 21510/05/2018

They only play the Asian Swing because the Chinese government subsidizes the tournaments on the WTA side to a huge degree. The WTA's contact for the year end championships which will be moved to China is enormous even though ticket sales won't pay for it at all.

by Anonymousreply 21610/05/2018

Shanghai draw out. Nadal isn't playing but I think everyone else is

by Anonymousreply 21710/05/2018

Who is everyone?

by Anonymousreply 21810/05/2018

I wouldn't be surprised if Simona is just concentrating on making as much money as she can, while she can. Perhaps she considered surgery and decided 'You know what? Fuck it! There's no guarantee surgery will work so I'm just gonna turn up and get paid"

by Anonymousreply 21910/06/2018

C'mon, Frankie, this is no Legends Tour!

by Anonymousreply 22010/06/2018

Wozniacki-Sevastova final in Beijing. Both semis ended in 2 sets

Nishikori-Medvedev in Tokyo

by Anonymousreply 22110/06/2018

R221: Not very exciting finals. Medvedev is playing better lately but i doubt he'll be able to defeat Nishikori. Kei maybe is unable to step up and win against top players (at least no in finals) but he is like a wall when he plays younger players.

Osaka is struggling a bit to capitalize the good result in New York. She is not losing in the first rounds but she is unable to win either, and frankly Sevastova should not be that difficult to defeat right now

by Anonymousreply 22210/06/2018

and also in Beijing Del Potro got a walkover from Fognini and will play Basilashvili who def. Edmund

by Anonymousreply 22310/06/2018

Medvedev rolled over Nishikori

by Anonymousreply 22410/07/2018

[quote]Medvedev rolled over Nishikori

wow, I think Kei lost his last 8 finals

by Anonymousreply 22510/07/2018

Poor Kei, but it's good that Medveded after so many time without improving is showing signs that he could be more than a journeyman.

But with russians you never know, they are headcases most of the time. No matter how much talent, they had a tendency to blow their chances. Even Safin who is by far the most prominent is an underachiever (that AO against Johannson was clear sign that no matter if he was able to defeat Federer, he was able to lose against an inferior rival at a big final too)

by Anonymousreply 22610/07/2018

Wtf? Halep is still playing Moscow and Singapore after announcing her serious back injury.

by Anonymousreply 22710/07/2018

Basilashvili was on fire this week. He wins Beijing

by Anonymousreply 22810/07/2018

[quote]Basilashvili was on fire this week. He wins Beijing

that's one big ass trophy he won

by Anonymousreply 22910/07/2018

[quote]Wtf? Halep is still playing Moscow and Singapore after announcing her serious back injury.

Back pain? We've heard it's a serious side effect of straight sex but for some reason never goes beyond 9 months.

by Anonymousreply 23010/07/2018

Jack Sock is in danger of falling out of the Top 100 by year's end with all the points he needs to defend from Paris and YEC.

by Anonymousreply 23110/07/2018

and he just lost yesterday first round in Shanghai. Soon he'll be playing ex doubles bff Pospisil in challengers

by Anonymousreply 23210/07/2018

While I'm not a Sock fan, I'm very interested in this train wreck of a season. It's easy to forget he was Top 25 for about a year before winning Paris and launching into the Top Ten. Clearly, if he wants to continue to play singles, he needs to return to the Challengers to rebuild his ranking. Or, will he stay on the main tour and focus on doubles? He's still very capable of winning at top level doubles, and players can make a nice living by succeeding in doubles only.

If he did want to focus on rehabbing his singles, he should have probably dropped down to Challengers after Wimbledon or The US Open, because the longer he waits the more this will eat at his confidence. I can't help but feel he's getting some bad advice from his coach, family, and/or management team.

by Anonymousreply 23310/07/2018

Raonic should be ashamed of himself.

by Anonymousreply 23410/08/2018

R234 Why?

by Anonymousreply 23510/08/2018

He lost to some turkey burger from MacDonald

by Anonymousreply 23610/08/2018

If this is a turkey burger, I'll order a dozen.

by Anonymousreply 23710/08/2018

R233 Or he might be too stubborn to take advice. And to be fair to him, many of the matches he has lost have been in 3 sets, so it's not like he is getting routed and has completely forgotten how to play at ATP level. He might be hoping to turn it around in ATP tournaments as long as he can enter them without having to qualify. Iirc he tried to qualify on grass and lost there too... Apparently Paris counts in the points race for the Aus Open wildcard for Americans, so if he finds some form there, he could conceivably get the WC. And he can probably count on WCs for American tournaments as well. (Not a fan either, and find the whole thing interesting too)

by Anonymousreply 23810/08/2018

Sock's ego is enormous. I doubt he'll drop down to challengers; instead he'll beg for WCs at tournaments.

by Anonymousreply 23910/08/2018

Sock is #157 in the Live ATP Race provisional rankings.

by Anonymousreply 24010/08/2018

R233: More than rebuild his ranking he needs to rebuild his confidence. He was a trainwreck the whole season.

When you start losing sometimes it's better to down your expectations and play some minor tournament.

It happens all time. Nicola Kuhn was getting into the top 200 at 18, suddenly he had an injury on a toe and spend a bunch of months without playing. He returned on the same kind of tournaments he was playing and it's not working at all. But instead of playing some 25k to try to win some matches and gain confidence he is sticking in the kind of tournaments he was playing before the injury. That and some back luck in the draws and he will probably end the year outside top 300 even when he has no points to defend

by Anonymousreply 24110/08/2018

David Ferrer just won a challenger title.

by Anonymousreply 24210/08/2018

Over Ivo Karlovic, too. #geritol

by Anonymousreply 24310/08/2018

Yes Sock is stubborn. At the start of the season before 1 of his matches aired I saw a segment about his regimen. He lives in Kansas City, originally from Omaha. He refuses to move or at least spend a significant amount of time training in Florida or California where the majority of American and a good number of other professional players are. Clearly his diet is shit as he's flabby. He's fitter than when he first came on tour but it's clear he enjoys a "middle American" diet. You can't out-train a horrible diet either. He was doing more stretching and preventative work from what I saw. I saw a similar program for Isner before that. They don't go as hard at training as someone like a Thiem

by Anonymousreply 24410/08/2018

Kyrgios is also fat and lazy but he's taller and a better athlete than his friend Sock. He also wears a girdle like shirt to hide his flab.

by Anonymousreply 24510/08/2018

Sock is journeyman.

by Anonymousreply 24610/08/2018

We never talk about Roberto Bautista Agut anymore since he came out as heterosexual. What does our Spanish poster think of him?

by Anonymousreply 24710/08/2018

I am also interested in how Jack Sock went from a solid top 25 player to an unexpected top 10 player and now dropping out of the top 100 player in a year. Winning the Paris Masters seems to have had a huge detrimental effect on his career. For comparison, John Isner has only played better since he won his Masters earlier this year.

by Anonymousreply 24810/08/2018

Game-wise Sock's forehand is massive with tons of spin but because of his wonky grip, he can litter errors off that side if his timing is off. There's more of a chance that his timing goes off because of the big take-back and weird grip. If you rush him on that side and he doesn't have time to set up, he's fucked. His backhand is more compact but that side is always error-prone, more so than his forehand. His volleys are pretty solid which makes sense as he's had a lot of doubles success

by Anonymousreply 24910/08/2018

Recently Cilic and Del Po turned 30. and now first time in the history of ATP we don't have any active grand slam winner under 30.

Forget about winner we have only 2 active players under 30 who have reached a grand slam final Domi and Kei.

And Kei is turning 30 next year

by Anonymousreply 25010/08/2018

ohh sorry Milos is third one.I completly forgot about him.

by Anonymousreply 25110/08/2018

How long before Tiafoe is US no. 1?

by Anonymousreply 25210/09/2018

JM Gambill went to see Keith Urban with Coco (and Shelby Rogers)

by Anonymousreply 25310/09/2018

And then?

by Anonymousreply 25410/09/2018

R247: I think our future is very dark when Rafa retires (unless Kuhn and Davidovich are able to translate junior success into pro stardom). We have a good bunch of good journeyman (Carreño, Bautista Agut, Munar) but absolutely nobody to really fight for big tournaments (and our top 100 players are very very old). After Rafa is dark dark void

by Anonymousreply 25510/09/2018

In 5 years, Kyrgios and Sock will own a tennis academy and sit around drinking beer. Both are barely athletes. More like frat bros who don't know when it's time to stop hanging out with the undergrads.

by Anonymousreply 25610/09/2018

The ATP failing to sell tickets in China.

by Anonymousreply 25710/10/2018

Federer's had 2 consecutive 3 set matches...rusty or losing his touch?

by Anonymousreply 25810/11/2018

Year-End Championships

by Anonymousreply 25910/11/2018


by Anonymousreply 26010/11/2018

Boobs out.

by Anonymousreply 26110/11/2018

JMG bought a shirt!

by Anonymousreply 26210/12/2018

I’m glad the women’s events are coming back to the Tennis Channel. The BeIN tennis coverage was embarrassing for both the network and the WTA, which deludedly believed it was their ticket to stardom and respect.

by Anonymousreply 26310/12/2018

Federer is having a very nice draw (no matter the three sets matches). Djokovic-Zverev should be interesting

by Anonymousreply 26410/12/2018

Porna legz

by Anonymousreply 26510/12/2018

Porna is going to face 🐐 again. Will he prevail for a second time this season?

by Anonymousreply 26610/12/2018

Porna needs to sit on my face.

by Anonymousreply 26710/12/2018

I see Federer going into decline this next year. I highly doubt he will repeat in Australia unless the draw falls apart and he's the last one standing. He always has a shot at Wimbledon if he catches fire. Djokovic looks like he has the desire back, so watch out ATP. Nadal is the big question mark for me. He played remarkably well this past year. He would have won Wimbledon if he'd gotten by Djokovic, but as we've seen many times, his knees started to give out by the US Open.

The Young Guns of the ATP are still a question mark. Thiem came so, so close to beating Nadal at the US Open. I think that's a match he should have won. Zverev needs to figure out how to play best of five. But there are a lot of young guys who could mature and really become the next #1--Tsistipas, Coric, Khachanov, Shapavalov--the list goes on, but like Zverev they seem to struggle in five set matches.

As for the veterans, Del Potro--I don't know. I think his body is too fragile for him to ever really make a breakthrough and win multiple Slams, but I could see him adding another one or two before he calls it a day. Cilic has played well the last two years, but mentally he'll never be the strongest. With Murray, it's all about his body and whether it can take any more. Like Cilic, Anderson has had nice results the last two years, but it's hard for me to see him ever winning a Slam--maybe one only at the most. Wawrinka is always a threat if he gets his game back. Nishikori is too fragile.

We'll see what 2019 brings us. By the end of this year, though, I think Djokovic will be back to #1.

by Anonymousreply 26810/12/2018

Thank you, R268, for naming all the Big Four.

by Anonymousreply 26910/12/2018

Atp is interesting right now, they could end being like wta at the end of the 90's with a good bunch of veterans and new players fighting for GS.

On the other hand wta is on a slump, the big names are near to retire, the top players are not consistent and there's no teen prodigy to catch the attention of fans. Even rising stars like Osaka or Sabalenka don't look like a sure shot for the next year

by Anonymousreply 27010/12/2018

"ATP is interesting right now" huh? with the same damn people winning all the slams that's interesting to you? There are always young players coming on tour every year. It seems like we have a good bunch now but until 1 of them wins a slam the ATP won't be that interesting.

by Anonymousreply 27110/12/2018

R271 so true

by Anonymousreply 27210/12/2018

R271: Atp is interesting right now because it's the end of an era. I doubt Djokovic will dominate as he used to do, and Nadal and Federer and near retirement, and there's a good bunch of new player who could be the next best thing (or ending being journeymen)

by Anonymousreply 27310/12/2018

Well, the WTA has the opposite problem. Every tournament is open and no one is consistent. None of the recent slam winners have star power (Kerber, Wozniacki, Halep, Stevens) that will draw in new fans or the consistency to win a large number of slams. Osaka is still relatively young, so she may develop into something, but we'll have to see if she survives the post-slam slump first.

Venus, Serena, and Sharapova are the only big names that the general public would know. Once they retire, the WTA will struggle mightily.

by Anonymousreply 27410/12/2018

and in the late 90s/early 2000s critics were saying the opposite. You never knew who was going to win any ATP event during that period and a lot of people said "that's exciting". Conversely they said the WTA was boring because it was usually the same handful of players winning the big events. Now the situations have reversed yet the men are still being praised.

by Anonymousreply 27510/12/2018

R247 and in the ATP? Federer and Nadal are the only superstars. Djokovic is a superstar in tennis but not that popular outside of it. Murray has the benefit of being British so he's the 4th best known even though he's far less accomplished. If Federer and Nadal left the game right now, the tour would be in trouble.

Both tours need to develop new stars. At least people like Sloane and Osaka have won slams and have the potential for more but we need to see how consistent they will turn out to be. The ATP is in worse shape as no one under 30 has a slam! How is that interesting?

by Anonymousreply 27610/12/2018

[quote] Murray has the benefit of being British so he's the 4th best known even though he's far less accomplished.

But he’s a knight!

by Anonymousreply 27710/12/2018

“Interesting”. What does that word mean?

by Anonymousreply 27810/12/2018

R276: Right now the popularity of atp and wta are not even in the same league. I think americans don't have a proper perspective because they don't have a star on the atp and they have the biggest star on the wta, but the USA is very far from being the only important market

Atp has a good bunch of consistent players. Maybe they are not superstars but they are able to perform week after week. You don't have that at the wta, not even their top players are able to play well more than a couple of week in a row

by Anonymousreply 27910/12/2018

[quote] but the USA is very far from being the only important market

Quite. That’s why there is the much-vaunted Asian swing.

by Anonymousreply 28010/12/2018

With the WTA, the quality players are mental midgets and have been for years. Also, there are too many highly ranked players who just aren't that good or exciting to watch. The players who should be consistently winning Slams based on their abilities (e.g., Kvitova, Mugurutha) just shit the bed after winning big. Kerber is consistent, but frankly I'm surprised she's one French Open away from a career Slam. Pushers like Wozniacki have won Slams, and other pushers like Svitolina are highly ranked (Top 5). Sloane Stephens and Madison Keys should be challenging for Slams at every tournament, but Sloane's interest seems to fade in and out (although she was a bit more consistent this year), and Keys is a head case. Halep makes and unexciting #1, and she only won the French this year because Sloane imploded in the final.

The ATP seems to have more quality young players, but they struggle in 5 sets in the Slams. Players like Zverev, Thiem and Tsitsipas can win important non-Slam tournaments, but at the Slams they consistently disappoint. Thiem did well to get to the French final, but then folded like a hand of cards against Nadal in the final. It was a poor effort. Then there is the mid-to-late-20s Lost Generation like Dimitrov et al. Then of course we have the veteran Big 4, which is now a Big 3, who are tenaciously holding on to the biggest prizes in tennis.

It does ebb and flow between which tour is the more exciting. Right now, I'd give the edge to the ATP. In five years, who knows? I hope Osaka lives up to her promise. I've just seen too many WTA players these past few years fade after a breakthrough.

by Anonymousreply 28110/12/2018

ATP is boring right now. Chinese are only showing up to watch Roger. Everyone else its an empty stadium, even worse than Dubai

by Anonymousreply 28210/12/2018

[quote] Then of course we have the veteran Big 4, which is now a Big 3

I should wash your mouth out with soap, young man.

by Anonymousreply 28310/12/2018

uh you want to talk about lack of mental toughness? The ATP lost generation fits that bill completely. Dimitrov? Nishikori? Raonic? Those were supposed to be the big challengers to the GOAT generation but all they have is 2 slam finals between them. Dimitrov after having his best year on tour last year with Cincinnati and the WTF wins was a COMPLETE FLOP this season. Nishikori doesn't have enough power and Raonic doesn't have that intensity if you can get back his serve and forehand.

You think fuckin' Isner having his best year this year by winning Miami and reaching the Wimbledon SF at the age of 33 is a good look for the tour? I don't mind Anderson because he can serve, return serve and has good groundstrokes but Isner is unwatchable. Most tennis fans don't like Isner either because of how dull he is (even if you ignore his deplorable-ness).

by Anonymousreply 28410/12/2018

I want this guy's job lol

by Anonymousreply 28510/12/2018

There's something swollen high up on the thigh!

by Anonymousreply 28610/12/2018

I'm encouraged by Osaka and Sabalenka.

Osaka really came through in a US Open final even though Serena tried every trick in the book to throw her off. And she's done pretty well in Asia, not winning events, but not flaming out in the first round either (see: Stephens, Sloane). She could be a huge draw internationally, too.

Sabalenka has also looked strong in the last few months. Obviously, she needs to maintain next year, but she certainly has the game. It's between the ears for her. But I like what I see.

I think Stephens is probably the other biggest potential name to lead the tour if she can rack up some major titles. No offense to Halep, Pliskova, Svitolina, Kerber, and Muguruza, but they all appear to lack the "it" factor. Even if one of those players could win 2 or 3 majors next year, I suspect it would be met by the general public with a collective yawn.

The criticism of the ATP is fair, but at least the old names (Federer, Nadal, Djokovic) are still winning when it matters. Contrast with Williams x 2 and Sharapova, who just haven't been able to win. That's a big difference in the last 2 years.

by Anonymousreply 28710/12/2018

Djokovic is playing at such a high level now. Really enjoying watching him.

by Anonymousreply 28810/12/2018

I worry about Del Potro dealing with pain next year from his existing injuries, and Roger dealing with back issues.

by Anonymousreply 28910/12/2018

Djokovic just sent A. Zverev home 6-2/6-1.

Pique is also there in shanghai. Probably trying to get Djokovic and Federer onboard with his Davis Cup reform plan.

by Anonymousreply 29010/13/2018

R290: Try to convice Federer is just a waste of time, Federer never cared about Davis cup, only when he thought he was going to retire without winning it started to care about it. And frankly he won it because Stan was there. So no matter is he thinks is ok the new davis cup or not, his opinion doesn't matter at all.

Djokovic is a totally different story, if Pique is able to get Djokovic and Nadal on board it doesn't matter if people like Zverev say they don't care about the new Davis Cup, the problem is Nole is not convinced at all, and trust that Nadal will be perfect by the end of the year is a question of faith

by Anonymousreply 29110/13/2018

R285, the line starts behind me, bitch.

by Anonymousreply 29210/13/2018

As I have said before, I really like that these two seem close

by Anonymousreply 29310/13/2018

Porna should just play naked. His body is a thing of beauty.

by Anonymousreply 29410/13/2018

Coric is playing well, but Federer is WAY off his game today. He's gone back to the inconsistent Fed we saw from 2013-2016, playing brilliantly one day and serving up a shank-fest the next.

by Anonymousreply 29510/13/2018

Porna has done it again!

by Anonymousreply 29610/13/2018

Amazing reversals during 2018 from Federer and Djokovic.

Federer started hot, winning his first 17 matches this year to take the Aussie Open and Rotterdam titles before losing the Indian Wells final to Del Porto. Since that time, he's lost in 6 of the 7 events he's played, and the one win (Stuttgart) was an event that featured no other players in the Top 15.

Djokovic started the year playing .500 tennis, and hit the low point losing back to back opening matches at Indian Wells and Miami. Started to recover his form on clay, and now since Wimbledon has gone 27-1, winning 2 more majors, and the one big title he had never won in his career (Cincinnati). He'll pass Federer to reclaim No. 2 this week, and if he wins Shanghai tomorrow, he'll be just 50 points in back of Nadal in the 2018 Race.

The last six months have just been a huge turnaround from how this year originally was shaping up.

by Anonymousreply 29710/13/2018

Love Novak. He makes you play so many extra shots that Zverev just cracked.

Fed please retire before it starts getting embarrassing. I know he wants to win 110 titles to pass Connors but I think it's gonna be hard unless he starts playing mostly 500 events.

by Anonymousreply 29810/13/2018

Boobies, boobies, boobies!

by Anonymousreply 29910/13/2018

I'm watching the Coric/Federer match now, on a replay since I'm in California. Why is Borna's thigh wrapped? Lots of very pleasant close-ups of his thigh. New tattoo?

by Anonymousreply 30010/13/2018

A slight injury, R300. If you want to watch him receive treatment...and more, check out this account

by Anonymousreply 30110/13/2018

Zverev has definitely hit a wall so far. He's unable to defeat Nadal, had no answer for a much-better-playing Djokovic and still struggles at slams. I realize he's young so he's got plenty of time to improve but his level this year hasn't been better than last year.

I had a feeling Federer would have a tough time today. He wasn't having an easy time at this tournament except for the Nishikori match (Kei seems to have regressed himself). Coric is improving which is nice to see.

Now we'll see Djokoivic vs. baby Djokovic. I expect Djokovic to win in straights but it'd be nice if Borna could surprise us

Qiang Wang continues her hot streak in Asia and reaches the Hong Kong final by defeating Muguruza in a marathon 3 setter after having defeated Svitolina easily in the previous round. She'll face 18 year-old Dayana Yastremska of Ukraine

In Tianjin, Pliskova will face Garcia

In Linz, Giorgi has continued her resurgence this year by reaching the final and will face Alexandrova.

by Anonymousreply 30210/13/2018

Zverev was bulging the entire match--I've never seen him bulge before. It was nice.

by Anonymousreply 30310/13/2018

Yesterday Zverev and Tsisipas both wearing the same tennis shorts. Tsispas looked much bigger than Zverev though

by Anonymousreply 30410/13/2018

If Djokovic recaptures No. 1 at Paris (a very real possibility), he'll probably finish out the year at No. 1, tie Federer for the most year-end No. 1s (6), and would be 78 weeks behind Federer for total weeks spent at No. 1... Would need to spend 18 more months at the top to pass Federer. And while Federer has six more Slam titles than Novak, I'm guessing that could shrink to three or four in another year.

I don't think I'd say it's likely, but it's a very real possibility Novak passes Roger in those categories, which would leave Federer very little claim on the title of GOAT. Mirka's probably sewing a Djokovic voodoo doll as I type this.

by Anonymousreply 30510/13/2018

A. Zverev should never play in indoor arenas.

by Anonymousreply 30610/13/2018

Hopefully Djokovic will be challenged next year or the atp will be very boring.

by Anonymousreply 30710/13/2018

In WTA world boring = compelling.

by Anonymousreply 30810/13/2018

The ATP has interesting players (Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Del Porto, Zverev, Dimitrov, Kyrgios, Fognini, Coric, Tsisipas, etc.), but relatively dull and predictable results.

The WTA has interesting results, but with the exception of the Williams sisters and Sharapova, dull and bland players (Halep, Wozniacki, Pliskova, Svitolina, Kerber, Kvitova, Garcia, Keys, Muguruza). Hopefully Osaka can turn the tide.

by Anonymousreply 30910/13/2018

Haha, r308, in his (solo) podcast this week, where he’s interviewing the great Judie Hellman (daughter of Gladys Heldman), Ben Rothenburg actually says, sans irony, that the WTA tour is so great today as the number 5 playing the number 35 would be a “compelling” match.

I looked up today’s WTA rankings, and that very compelling match would be between Svitolina and Pavlyuchenkova. I could skip my sleeping draft with that match and still get a solid night’s sleep.

by Anonymousreply 31010/13/2018

ova, pavlyuchenk

by Anonymousreply 31110/13/2018

[quote]Ben Rothenburg actually says, sans irony, that the WTA tour is so great today

I think he believes if he keeps saying it, it will come true. The harsh reality is that 90% of the tour is void of personality. And tennis is a sport that sustains itself on personality.

by Anonymousreply 31210/13/2018

Yastremska demolished Wang

Garcia beats Pliskova

by Anonymousreply 31310/14/2018

[quote]Yastremska demolished Wang

apparently Justine Henin is Yastremska's 'special consultant' (she trains at her academy in Belgium)

by Anonymousreply 31410/14/2018

Yastremska was always a top player on u14, u 16 and juniors but she is rising her level really fast. She'll be top 100 next week

by Anonymousreply 31510/14/2018

Porna lost. I volunteer to console his sweaty ass.

by Anonymousreply 31610/14/2018

R305, Federer was year-end Number 1 five times, not six. If Djokovic finishes 2018 as #1 on the ATP, which I fully expect him to do, he will tie Pete Sampras, who finished year-end Number 1 six times in a row from 1993-1998. Federer, however, has the most total weeks at #1 and the most consecutive weeks at #1, so odd that he doesn't have the most year-end Number 1s. But there you have it.

by Anonymousreply 31710/14/2018

Djokovic is looking very much in form again. He beat Coric easily and looked like he had an extra gear or two that he didn't have to reach for.

by Anonymousreply 31810/14/2018

Djokovic was playing well the whole year, but he lacked confidence so he lost some important matches. Wimbledon changes everything, now he is confident and rose his level. In tennis sometimes a win can make a big difference (specially for the younger players)

by Anonymousreply 31910/14/2018

Humbert beats Herbert to win Ortisei challenger

by Anonymousreply 32010/14/2018

Humbert Humbert?

by Anonymousreply 32110/14/2018

It looks like at a minimum, Djoker will hold all 4 slams again and possibly have a calendar year slam as well. Poor Roger will be lucky to stay in the top ten next year and will likely retire after the 2020 Olympics (as Venus likely will too).

by Anonymousreply 32210/14/2018

R322: Sorry but everytime people predicted that kind of dominance in the past there was a change of cicle.

Djokovic always was amazing in Australia so i wouldn't be surprised if he wins there, but i doubt he'll dominate clay season, we are not in 2011 anymore. And he always (even in his most dominant years) was vulnerable at Roland Garros

by Anonymousreply 32310/14/2018

Giorgi wins Linz for her second career title

Bouchard has reached the final round of qualifying in Luxembourg!

This week's draws are out-Moscow is the showdown between the final contenders for the YEC and alternates. Svitolina and Sabalenka aren't playing but Pliskova, Stephens, Bertens and Mertens all are. Shockingly, Halep with her back issues is there too.

Kyrgios took a WC into Moscow

Isner is the only top 10 ATP player in action and there are 3 men's events this week

by Anonymousreply 32410/14/2018

Del Potro has a fractured kneecap.

by Anonymousreply 32510/14/2018

wtf how did that happen

by Anonymousreply 32610/14/2018

When is year end championships?

by Anonymousreply 32710/14/2018

The ATP Finals are November 11-18, R327.

by Anonymousreply 32810/14/2018

Del Potro had a bad fall in his recent match against Coric, but I don't know if that's how he fractured his kneecap.

by Anonymousreply 32910/14/2018

Thank you, R328.

by Anonymousreply 33010/14/2018

Really bad luck for Del Potro.

by Anonymousreply 33110/14/2018

JMDP had just reached his highest ever ranking at #3 and has been in great form this year...I was thinking he might have a chance next year at the AO or the USO again...this really sucks

by Anonymousreply 33210/14/2018

I read that with treatment, a fractured patella bone may take 6 to 8 weeks to heal

by Anonymousreply 33310/14/2018

That's two months without proper training. He's back to square one.

by Anonymousreply 33410/14/2018

God DelPo should just throw in the towel...what a bummer

by Anonymousreply 33510/14/2018

even if he fully recovers, his movement will be compromised. Look how long it took him to try doing a 2 handed backhand consistently again in matches. He said in 2017 he was avoiding it out of fear. This year he uses it a lot in big matches but in matches he expects to be easy he'll mostly do the 1 hander. I bet he'll be moving very gingerly when he first comes back.

by Anonymousreply 33610/14/2018

[quote]Del Potro had a bad fall in his recent match against Coric, but I don't know if that's how he fractured his kneecap.

I think that's when it happened, here's some footage of it

by Anonymousreply 33710/14/2018

DelPo team

by Anonymousreply 33810/14/2018

Team DelNO

by Anonymousreply 33910/14/2018

Update for the YEC as the new rankings came out tonight:

Halep, Wozniacki, Kerber, Osaka, Kvitova and Stephens have all qualified.

Svitolina, Pliskova and Bertens are up for the last 2 spots. Svitolina isn't playing this week. Bertens must reach the SF in Moscow to qualify. If both Pliskova and Bertens reach the SF, Svitolina will drop from #7 to #9 (first alternate).

The second alternate spot is also up for grabs. Sabalenka is not playing this week but currently is #10. Mertens, Sevastova and Kasatkina all have a shot but they have to go deep in the tournament.

As for the ATP, Nadal, Djokovic, Del Potro, Federer and Zverev have qualified. There are several contenders for the last few spots. Del Potro obviously won't play so that opens it up further

by Anonymousreply 34010/14/2018

you gotta think that Novak will really be gunning for a second French Open title next year--something that Federer could not accomplish. Might mean more than a seventh Australian...

by Anonymousreply 34110/14/2018

I agree, R341, that Djokovic winning a second French Open would be an important accomplishment, one of the most important reasons being to stop Nadal from winning another one! But seriously, Djokovic would have at least two of each at that point, something neither Nadal or Federer have accomplished (Australian for Nadal, French for Federer).

by Anonymousreply 34210/15/2018

We desperately need someone NEW to win a slam on the ATP side next year. If Djokovic dominates again or Nadal magically recovers again and dominates that would be beyond boring. I don't think Federer will win any though.

by Anonymousreply 34310/15/2018

yes, good point R342, I always forget Rafa only has one Australian... for Novak to have two of each, does anyone else in the history of the men's game have that? I remember when Graf had 4 of each and it just amazed me. She was so awesome.

by Anonymousreply 34410/15/2018

R344 here. I looked it up, it's Laver and Emerson:

Laver: 3 Aussie, 2 French, 4 Wimbledon, 2 US - two calendar Grand Slams are part of this Emerson: 6 Aussie, 2 French, 2 Wimbledon, 2 US

So for Rafa to get that second Aussie or--even more--Novak to get that second French, would be quite the accomplishment.

by Anonymousreply 34510/15/2018

Nadal should have been a much more dominant player considering how much they've slowed down the courts at every other major.

by Anonymousreply 34610/15/2018

Nadal can get hit off the court if he runs into a zoning shotmaker/power player. Obviously he still wins more often than not but it does happen. His serve can be attackable too and he gets aced a lot. Dustin Brown is very talented but a journeyman because he's so inconsistent. He is 2-0 against Nadal though because he didn't allow Nadal to get into a rhythm on grass.

by Anonymousreply 34710/15/2018

To no one's surprise, Halep has withdrawn from Moscow due to back injury

by Anonymousreply 34810/16/2018

[quote]To no one's surprise, Halep has withdrawn from Moscow due to back injury


by Anonymousreply 34910/16/2018

The WTA's exciting!

by Anonymousreply 35010/16/2018


by Anonymousreply 35110/16/2018

Will she play in Singapore? Whoever is the first alternate should feel pretty confident that they'll play.

by Anonymousreply 35210/16/2018

Halep will probably try to play, get her clock cleaned in her first match, then withdraw. It looks like Kerber could end at #1 for the year if she goes undefeated in Singapore and Halep doesn't play which is probably her misguided incentive to show up. Wozniacki can't catch her since she's defending her points from winning last year, but Kerber has no points to defend.

by Anonymousreply 35310/16/2018

Kerber's just split with Fissette for some reason. Seems a strange time of year for it to happen.

by Anonymousreply 35410/16/2018

Lil' Diego doing yoga (?)

by Anonymousreply 35510/16/2018

Tennys Sandgren def. Pouille, 6-4 6-4 in Stockholm 👀

by Anonymousreply 35610/16/2018

R354 she's been losing a lot lately

by Anonymousreply 35710/16/2018

Nadal is vulnerable (well maybe that's a excessive word given he generally ends winning) to players with big backhands. Players who use only one hand to hit the backhand generally struggle because their backhand generally face his huge left handed forehand and the ball gets very high which is very uncomfortable is you hit with one hand.

And yes, his serve is not huge, but his return to serve is very good, so breaking his serve generally doesn't mean being in control of the serve. Anyway what makes Nadal the exceptional player he is is his mentality, he is mentally stronger than anybody on the circuit. He was able to win a lot of matches that he should be lost

by Anonymousreply 35810/16/2018

Genie gets her first win over Babos (she was 0-2 before)!! She's BACK!

by Anonymousreply 35910/16/2018

Halep leads Kerberos by 1500+ points in the Race rankings, so I think she's locked in as YE No. 1.

She will soon move to No. 10 all-time for total weeks at No. 1. More than Venus, Clijsters, Davenport, Capriati, or Sharapova.

We're in a most compelling era of women's tennis.

by Anonymousreply 36010/16/2018

Vamos Kerberos!

if Genie wins 1 more match in Luxembourg she'll be back in the top 100 (she's playing CSN next)

Jo-Wilfried Tsonga got his 1st win since February

by Anonymousreply 36110/16/2018

^ dafuq is going on with her top lip?

by Anonymousreply 36210/16/2018

R361 until today Tsonga hadn't won a main draw match since Feb? wow

by Anonymousreply 36310/16/2018

Tsonga had a knee injury R363 , so he hasn't played that many matches (his ranking has dropped to #75)

by Anonymousreply 36410/16/2018

Lots of injuries/comebacks from the 30+ crowd. Tsonga, Murray, wawrinka, berdych.

by Anonymousreply 36510/16/2018

No. 101 Ons Jabeur def Sloane Stephens in Moscow, dropping only five games.

If the players don't care, why should you?

Eh, maybe that's harsh, and better applies to Nick Kyrgios. But once I heard Stephens had qualified for the YEC regardless of how deep she went, I predicted (another) early loss.

by Anonymousreply 36610/17/2018

I saw part of it...Sloane was pathetic. She made Jabeur look like some GOAT.

Pliskova got destroyed 1-6 2-6 by Zvonareva! whoa

Bertens also lost in 3 to Sasnovich. That means now the YEC is set. the final 2 spots go to Svitolina and Pliskova who join Halep (if she plays), Wozniacki, Kerber, Osaka, Kvitova and Stephens

meanwhile, Genie wiped the floor with CSN, winning 6-1 6-0 that was quite unexpected

by Anonymousreply 36710/17/2018

Poor Carlo.

by Anonymousreply 36810/17/2018


by Anonymousreply 36910/17/2018

Is Rafa supposed to be ready for Paris and the YEC?

by Anonymousreply 37010/17/2018

I am not a fan of Jack Sock's ass, but his ass is scrumptious.

by Anonymousreply 37110/17/2018


by Anonymousreply 37210/17/2018

R372 = Bill Taylor

by Anonymousreply 37310/17/2018

Interesting Beyond the Baseline podcast, an interview with Mats Wilander. While he doesn't write off Federer and Nadal's chances in 2019, I got the sense that he expects much less from them. I was a bit surprised that when Wertheim asked about young guns that would win majors, he didn't go to the knee-jerk response of "Zverev" that many give. He seems to think that middle generation (Nishikori, Raonic) might be able to win a few majors before the "Next Gen" takes over.

I remember when I started following tennis in the mid 80s, I thought that players like Mandlikova, Shriver, Sukova would take over the top of women's tennis once Chrissie and Martina left the scene. But before you knew it, up come Graf, Sabatini, Seles, Sanchez Vicario, and they just ran past that middle generation. I think the same will happen in the men's game.

by Anonymousreply 37410/18/2018

Rafa and Novak are getting crucified for playing that exho in Saudi.

by Anonymousreply 37510/18/2018

Halep withdrew like i expected

by Anonymousreply 37610/18/2018

There should be a rule that Popsicle pics must show some state of undress.

by Anonymousreply 37710/18/2018

For the first time in 12 years, neither Venus nor Serena will have won a WTA tournament this year

by Anonymousreply 37810/18/2018

R375 when is it? if they haven't already played, then yeah I get the backlash

R378 understandable at this point given their ages though Serena reached 2 slam finals

by Anonymousreply 37910/18/2018

[quote][R375] when is it? if they haven't already played, then yeah I get the backlash

22 December

by Anonymousreply 38010/18/2018

I suppose it's the situation right now, the truth is top players play that kind of exhibitions all the time, curiously some of them use the excuse of how tough is the circuit when they don't want to play Davis Cup.

I don't think the middle genreation will dominate, not even for a year. Some of them could win a GS like Cilic did, but i think it's the next gen who will dethrone the big tree, and it will be better if the do before they drop the level. Of course i find difficult to believe that any of them will be as dominant as Nole/Rafa/Roger were

by Anonymousreply 38110/18/2018

Exhibitions are glorified practice sessions. They put very little effort in and get a ton of money back. Of course they will play them. They have nothing to do with the regular tour grind at all.

by Anonymousreply 38210/18/2018

I've been thinking about the whole Nadal and Djokovic playing in Saudi thing. They could argue that tournaments are played in Qatar or Russia for example and they have very questionable human rights records.

But what gets me is that it's not as if Nadal or Djokovic needs the money. Yes it's easy money for a glorified practice session but they can't even say Saudi is an important country on the tour or anything like that. They can't justify it in any way apart from greed.

by Anonymousreply 38310/18/2018

Is there no Middle East Swing?

by Anonymousreply 38410/18/2018

Shapovalov is criminally overhyped.

by Anonymousreply 38510/18/2018

Genie Bouchard STORMS her way into the Luxembourg semis! She defeated Petkovic 4-6 4-0 ret.

by Anonymousreply 38610/18/2018

Pencil at the ready.

by Anonymousreply 38710/18/2018

Verdasco served at 6-4 5-4 even saved break point to get to match point and choked to lose to Kohlschreiber 6-4 5-7 6-7(5)

by Anonymousreply 38810/18/2018

[quote]I've been thinking about the whole Nadal and Djokovic playing in Saudi thing. They could argue that tournaments are played in Qatar or Russia for example and they have very questionable human rights records.

We could also point out that there are large tennis events played every year in United Arab Emerites (Dubai), a country that restricts homosexuality, continues to discriminate against women, and has had multiple "disappearances" over the years. In addition, there are players - including Federer - who are part-time residents of Dubai.

I get the impulse to call for Nadal and Djokovic to cancel the exho. But if the tennis community is being genuine about this and wants to stand on its soapbox, there are A LOT of similar changes that should be made.

by Anonymousreply 38910/18/2018

Fifth set tiebreaks to be introduced at Wimbledon from next year.

Twitter is reacting like it's the End of Days but how many matches really go to 12-12 in the fifth? They're only remarkable because they don't happen very often but when they do they fuck up the scheduling.

by Anonymousreply 39010/19/2018

The WTA Finals players in Singapore

by Anonymousreply 39110/19/2018

I see blonde people.

by Anonymousreply 39210/19/2018

Sloane is so pretty

by Anonymousreply 39310/19/2018

Genie MASSIVE choke against Goerges! She was ahead 7-6(3 ) 5-4 and was just 2 points away from victor...then lost 7-6(3) 5-7 1-6

by Anonymousreply 39410/19/2018

The pencil has failed again.

by Anonymousreply 39510/19/2018

Monfils now a perfect 5-0 against Pospisil. He owns that ass!

by Anonymousreply 39610/19/2018

Gulbis def. Sock to reach the Stockholm SF

by Anonymousreply 39710/19/2018

[quote]Sloane is so pretty.

She is fucking gorgeous!

by Anonymousreply 39810/19/2018

She is gorgeous and her game is different and very interesting. If only she could keep the focus for a while she could be the dominant player on the wta. I miss the times top players were consistent now a surprise is not a surprise anymore because because they are losing all the time

by Anonymousreply 39910/19/2018

Singapore groups:

Kerber, Stephens, Osaka, Bertens

Wozniacki, Kvitova, Svitolina, Pliskova

play starts Sunday

by Anonymousreply 40010/19/2018

What would happen if some players boycotted tournaments in the U.S. because the U.S. has Central American migrant families in concentration camps?

by Anonymousreply 40110/19/2018

Capriati is in Singapore as well (as one of the 'Legend Ambassadors')

by Anonymousreply 40210/20/2018

Tsitsipas to face Gulbis in Stockholm final.

Gulbis' first final for four years.

by Anonymousreply 40310/20/2018

Gulbis is usually good for two or three decent results every year, but I figured beating Zverev at Wimbledon would have kept him content for a bit. While he does have some holes in his game, it was only 4-5 years ago he was beating the likes of Federer, Murray, Del Potro, and reaching the Top Ten. Probably one of the biggest underperforming players of the last decade, along with Tomic and (lately) Kyrgios.

by Anonymousreply 40410/20/2018

R404 or perhaps that brief spell where he beat the top players was over-achievement?

by Anonymousreply 40510/20/2018

R405, I think of Gulbis as underperforming because when he does apply himself, he's a decent player. But then he loses interest, gives partial effort, and doesn't seem to care. That explains why he goes up and down and back up and back down. At his best he's beaten all the bigs except Nadal, at his worst, he loses to anyone.

I'm not suggesting he should have won a Slam, or spent his career in the Top Ten, but for him to have a ranking of 100+ for the last two years (and no major injuries) is a waste of his talent.

by Anonymousreply 40610/20/2018

Petra cleans up nice too. She is really pretty.

by Anonymousreply 40710/20/2018

Who is the female equivalent of Gulbis?

by Anonymousreply 40810/20/2018

R401 they would then boycott the Chinese tournaments for locking up Muslims in the western portion of their country and the Russian and Middle Eastern tournaments for state sponsored homophobia.

by Anonymousreply 40910/20/2018

Steffi Graf vs Kimiko Date 1996 Fed Cup Highlights

by Anonymousreply 41010/20/2018

Gulbis has a great first serve and backhand. He moves decently. His 2 biggest problems are his wonky forehand grip/swing and his fitness. He's also a spoiled asshole but he has talent. I hope Tsitsipas can win his first title.

In Antwerp, Edmund will also be going for his title and will face Monfils. I'm fine with either winning but it'd be nice for Edmund to get that first title finally.

In Moscow we had some drama. Ons Jabeur's dream week ended with first a choke and then a thigh strain. She was up 6-2 4-1 before choking and then lost to Kasatkina 6-2 6-7(3) 4-6 . This is Kasatkina's 2nd title (her 1st was last year in Charleston).

Khachanov will face Mannarino who will again try to win his first title. Mannarino is 0-5 in finals.

In Luxembourg, Goerges def. Bencic for the title.It's her 6th overall and 2nd of the year.

Basel and Vienna draws are out too

by Anonymousreply 41110/20/2018

[quote]Who is the female equivalent of Gulbis?

The entire WTA.

by Anonymousreply 41210/20/2018

R405: No, in fact he is talented enough to be a top player full time, but he was filthy rich even before starting his career, he has a very hedonistic personality that makes him not be focused on the game and of course he is very fond of prostitutes. He seems to be a jerk too but that doesn't change the fact that he is very talented

by Anonymousreply 41310/21/2018


by Anonymousreply 41410/21/2018

Mannarino is the new Bennetteau

by Anonymousreply 41510/21/2018

we got 2 more first time titlists! Tsitsipas def. Gulbis 6-4 6-4 to win Stockholm

Edmund def. Monfils in a nail biter 3-6 7-6(2) 7-6(4) to win Antwerp

Khachanov gets his third title in Moscow

In Singapore day 1 action we have 2 upsets

Svitolina def. Kvitova 6-3 6-3

Pliskova def. Wozniacki 6-2 6-4

by Anonymousreply 41610/21/2018


by Anonymousreply 41710/21/2018

Happy for Stefanos

by Anonymousreply 41810/21/2018

Mannarino now 0-6 in finals and not getting any younger

by Anonymousreply 41910/21/2018

Young Grigor's going bald

by Anonymousreply 42010/21/2018

Is that young Grigor on the left? Looks kind of old to me.

by Anonymousreply 42110/21/2018

If it's a WTA match, can it really be called an upset? Their draws are like random results generators.

by Anonymousreply 42210/21/2018

R422: We can't expect the regularity of Graf, Seles, Navratilova or even ASV, Sabatini or Conchita with so many brainless ballbashers (in a good day they can defeat anyone) but the top players right now are the worst ever. A surprise is not a surprise anymore because they have no plan B so when they have an off day they are totally lost

by Anonymousreply 42310/21/2018

Monfils is 7-21 in ATP tour finals. I didn’t know he has made into so many finals! Yes most are 250 titles but still.

by Anonymousreply 42410/21/2018

Yeah, Grigor's looking kinda rough.

by Anonymousreply 42510/21/2018

Where'd Grigor's hair go?

by Anonymousreply 42610/21/2018

Same place much of your ass went, Rafa.

by Anonymousreply 42710/21/2018

Grigor, I still have some of my trucker hat/wig combos left from the early 90s if you need them. They go really well with fluorescent Nike garb.

by Anonymousreply 42810/21/2018

I told you Sharapova was a carpet muncher. She munched the carpet on the upper floor when she was withdrawing so bad from the real thing!

by Anonymousreply 42910/22/2018

Well, the matches today at the WTA Finals were competitive at least, unlike yesterday. But all four matches have been "upsets". Anyone could win the tournament and it wouldn't be a surprise.

by Anonymousreply 43010/22/2018

Based on recent form I didn't think Sloane would have defeated Osaka today.

by Anonymousreply 43110/22/2018

Sloane only cares about bigger tournaments. Even then she is streaky. Her grand slam record this year is 1st rd, Final, 1st rd, quarterfinal.

by Anonymousreply 43210/22/2018

R432: It's the same with Kvitova and Muguruza, they don't realize that they results at big tournaments would be better if they were focused on every tournament

by Anonymousreply 43310/22/2018

ATP race update, we have the smaller Vienna and Basel events and then the finale in Paris next week. It seems like Cilic, Anderson and Thiem will get the lost few spots though Del Potro will likely withdraw, leaving open 1 more spot. Isner and Nishikori are in 9th and 10th place with just 20 points between them. It will probably come down to Paris for them as only 500 points max could be gained this week.

Coric, Fognini, Edmund and Tsitsipas would all have to do very well this week and then come close to winning Paris next week to qualify though if Del Potro withdraws 1 of those 4 will be at least 2nd alternate behind either Isner or Nishikori

by Anonymousreply 43410/22/2018

Coco has dropped out of the top 100

by Anonymousreply 43510/22/2018

with Shapovalov's loss to Cilic today, he will remain titleless unless he has an unlikely breakthrough next week in Paris.

by Anonymousreply 43610/22/2018

obviously I mean this year not his whole career.

It's just interesting to see some others in his generation get there faster so far.

by Anonymousreply 43710/22/2018

Shopbottom is titless?

by Anonymousreply 43810/22/2018

R436: The guy is 19, it's too soon to pressure him to get titles when he usually plays tournaments with players way higher in the ranking

by Anonymousreply 43910/22/2018

LMFAO Raonic loses 6-7(6) 5-7 to fucking Jurgen Melzer who is 37 years old and has struggled in his comeback. He's currently at #426 in the rankings.

by Anonymousreply 44010/22/2018
by Anonymousreply 44110/22/2018

R449, should Melzwr be caked Gramps.

by Anonymousreply 44210/22/2018

R449, should Melzer be called Gramps?

by Anonymousreply 44310/22/2018

Coco and Jack Sock are the same person.

by Anonymousreply 44410/23/2018

Federer has been dealing with a hand injury since this summer. That explains his wonky forehand. That's probably why he was so off during Wimbledon and the US Open. If he gets his forehand back, it should make for more interesting showdowns with Djokovic.

by Anonymousreply 44510/23/2018

Watching Isner and Norrie play in Vienna. Isner is showing his package, a very small package.

by Anonymousreply 44610/23/2018

It’s HUGE, R446! King sized!

by Anonymousreply 44710/23/2018

Fuck Mrs. Federer and her hand injury. Such b.s.

by Anonymousreply 44810/23/2018

R446 as you would expect of republicans

by Anonymousreply 44910/23/2018

in Singapore, Svitolina is in prime position to reach the SF as she just defeated Pliskova in 3 sets (and Kvitova in 2 the other day).

Wozniacki is now 1-1 as she defeated Kivtova in 3 sets.

Pliskova is 1-1

Kvitova is 0-2

by Anonymousreply 45010/23/2018

Of course the irrelevant Svitolina suddenly cant lose a match. If she wins the whole thing than this tournament is a joke.

by Anonymousreply 45110/23/2018

What is wrong with Kvitova? Wozniacki was struggling with her movement and she still beat Kvitova? Kvitova has won 5 tournaments this year, but she's bombed out of all the majors.

by Anonymousreply 45210/23/2018

Is Rafa healthy and fit to compete in Paris and in London? I thought two spots might open up in London if both RAfa and Delpo are injured. I agree that Singapore is a joke if Svitolina wins there. It must be a slow court if Kvitova and Ploskova are losing

by Anonymousreply 45310/23/2018

The courts in Singapore are on the slower side despite being indoors. Kvitova has had an AWFUL fall and has struggled to win matches. Svitolina hasn't been doing well lately but she likes this slower court.

by Anonymousreply 45410/23/2018

R445: Sorry, but that sounds like a lame excuse, specially because it's not true. Federer was playing well at Wimbledon, he has his match against Anderson under control and suddenly he tanked, it was mental, not physical

by Anonymousreply 45510/23/2018

Federer usually has a bullshit reason for why he's not playing well. Could it be because he's almost 40?

by Anonymousreply 45610/23/2018

And that Paire twitter has any reason or he just had a gossip girl flashback out of the blue

by Anonymousreply 45710/23/2018

So who’s the cutie-pie Kyle hugs at the end of the match? Could be his brother, I suppose...

by Anonymousreply 45810/23/2018


by Anonymousreply 45910/23/2018

Thanks, r459!

by Anonymousreply 46010/23/2018

Rafa's saving whatever he has to play in Saudi Arabia.

by Anonymousreply 46110/23/2018

Are Nadal and Djokovic still silent on whether or not they are playing the exhibition?

Btw, why would Federer choose to live in Saudi? He’s already Swiss!

by Anonymousreply 46210/23/2018

Federer lives in Dubai, not in Saudi Arabia. He claims to enjoy practicing in the very dry heat over there but of course that didn't help him when it was super humid at the USO this year

by Anonymousreply 46310/23/2018

Dubai is tax free for foreigners I believe, too. Plus winter there is better tennis weather than in Switzerland.

by Anonymousreply 46410/23/2018

How are the snacks in Dubai?

by Anonymousreply 46510/23/2018

Sascha Zverev playing Robin Haase tomorrow in Basel. Haase has beaten Zverev the past two times they've played. Sascha decided to play Basel this year after his negotiations with Vienna broke down ( tournament director said they couldn't afford his appearance fee).

by Anonymousreply 46610/23/2018

[quote]How are the snacks in Dubai?

Pretty scarce the last couple years, for some reason. Apparently the local shops are frequently running low.

by Anonymousreply 46710/23/2018

R448, R455 and R456 are Rafa and/or Nole fans.

by Anonymousreply 46810/24/2018

There's no way Kerber is not a lezzie right? Has she ever officially had a boyfriend?

by Anonymousreply 46910/24/2018

What's this now, R469?

by Anonymousreply 47010/24/2018

Kerber d. Osaka. Which means if Bertens can beat Stephens in the next match, she will be the first to qualify for the semis, despite being the lowest ranked and last to qualify for the event. Welcome to the WTA.

by Anonymousreply 47110/24/2018

Stephens def. Bertens. She's up 2-0 now with Kerber and Bertens 1-1 and Osaka 0-2. Nothing is certain yet though as far as who qualifies.

by Anonymousreply 47210/24/2018

Bertens really deserved that match but threw it away with some bad shot selection, exhaustion, and too many double faults. Most importantly CONSECUTIVE double faults. She was up a break in that final set. I hope she can still make it through because she has been the player of this group (alongside Stephens) and plays a more interesting style of tennis on these shiteously slow courts than some of the other girls.

All 8 can still qualify or not qualify as R472 said, which at least keeps it exciting. .

by Anonymousreply 47310/24/2018

the 2 most improved ATP players of 2017 continue to struggle:

Dimitrov loses in 3 sets to journeyman/indoor specialist Kukushkin

Sock loses to Gulbis in consecutive weeks. Sock is now 7/20 in main draw matches this year

by Anonymousreply 47410/24/2018

Is Sock journeyman?

by Anonymousreply 47510/24/2018

No. Sock has 4 titles including Paris masters. Even if he just had a fluke overachieving year in 2017, He was top 10. A journeyman would be someone who never cracked the top 20 and either has 0 or a couple small titles.

by Anonymousreply 47610/24/2018

He's a journeyman with one overachieving season, by the looks of things.

by Anonymousreply 47710/24/2018

Thanks, R476.

by Anonymousreply 47810/24/2018

R468: Sorry to hurt your Fed fan feelings, but what i said is totally right, he was playing very well, he was dominating and he tanked big time. Roger and Rafa are legends but they have the bad habit of making excuses when they lose. Hey, no matter how good you are, sometimes the rival is better that day

I doubt Hasse will defeat Sascha today

by Anonymousreply 47910/24/2018

I liked Jack Sock better when he was rumored to be dating Pospisil.

by Anonymousreply 48010/24/2018

the 'WTA Legends' in Singapore

by Anonymousreply 48110/24/2018

Who’s the tall hunk in blue?

by Anonymousreply 48210/24/2018

hilarious to see Davenport and Capriati standing next to each other. In their playing days they never cared for one another as their personalities were so different. Capriati also hated the fact that even though she started off as the teen phenom, Davenport would go on to have a winning record against her

Graf predictably never shows up to these things.

Where's Tracy?

by Anonymousreply 48310/24/2018

R482: Oh come on, it's Lindsay

by Anonymousreply 48410/24/2018

Did any of them win a major? If so they are International Tennis Hall of Fame worthy.

by Anonymousreply 48510/24/2018

If Davenport played today she'd have about 10 majors. Ditto Capriati.

by Anonymousreply 48610/24/2018

R486: And she is right, she was better at bashing the ball than most and she was not a mental case and far more consistent than top players right now.

As expected Zverev won this time

by Anonymousreply 48710/24/2018

I'm not sure Davenport would be at the top if she were in her peak and playing now. She was a bad mover. A great ball striker with a good first serve but her movement cost her. Especially with the slowing down of most courts in this era, she would have trouble.

by Anonymousreply 48810/24/2018

[quote] She was a bad mover

Because she was fat then.

by Anonymousreply 48910/24/2018

I can't see any player on the WTA consistently beating prime Davenport besides Serena.

by Anonymousreply 49010/24/2018

R490: Exactly, most of them are ballbashers without a B plan (and that's the reason of the many one sided matches between players who have similar level)

by Anonymousreply 49110/24/2018

R479, no, that's your opinion. That doesn't make you right. And I have no hurt feelings. But it was obvious since Wimbledon that something with Fed's forehand was off. I don't doubt when other players are injured and think it's ridiculous when at the US Open people were saying Nadal made up the injury. That's so not Nadal's MO. But continue to believe what you will.

by Anonymousreply 49210/24/2018

R492: No, it's not my opinion, he was playing well, it's a fact. He was totally dominating the match till suddenly he choked.

And Nadal had problems with his knees the previous matches, and had tough matches against Khachanov and Thiem, it's not the same case at all.

But it's a fact that Roger and Rafa always have a mysterious injury everytime they lose (because come on, they can't be defeated if they are healthy), and maybe the injuries are true all the time, but it's pretty lame blame on injuries. If you are not healthy you don't play, and if you play, you accept the result. When a player it's really injured he retires from the match

I don't know if Roger had an injury at Wimbledon or not, if he said so it's because it's true, but it's pretty obvious that his problem in his match against Anderson was not physical, he simply was unable to take his chances

by Anonymousreply 49310/24/2018

So you know for a fact, R493, that his hand had nothing to do with it all. You KNOW that? You know that as the match wore on, his hand didn't become more of a liability? You KNOW that? My, you must be a doctor or some type of medical professional who can discern whether or not an injury affects a player while watching a match on television. I wonder what it's like to live in a world where "facts" are things you believe rather than independently verifiable things. This is why we have Fox News and President Trump.

Fed's history is that he keeps his injuries under his hat until he's had time to deal with them, then he discloses them rather than reveal to other players that he's physically impaired in some way. In fact, that's what most top players have done throughout the history of the game.

Also, Rafa and Roger always accept the results. They are two of the best in history of moving on from losses, whether it's an injury, not-so-great play on their parts, or simply getting outplayed. That's why they are the two all-time Grand Slam title leaders.

by Anonymousreply 49410/24/2018

[quote] That's why they are the two all-time Grand Slam title leaders.

“Ha!” I say to that.

by Anonymousreply 49510/24/2018

[quote]Fed's history is that he keeps his injuries under his hat until he's had time to deal with them, then he discloses them rather than reveal to other players that he's physically impaired in some way.

Why disclose them at all, at this point? It comes off a little gross to me, as if to insinuate he never would have lost to Anderson if he was healthy, and thereby detract from Anderson's win. To me, it doesn't seem sporting, and I wish he wouldn't do it.

by Anonymousreply 49610/24/2018

Federer struggled in his opening match yesterday. Even though Basel isn't a big event, it's Federer's hometown and he HATES losing there. He'll have to pick his form up though because the field is pretty good

by Anonymousreply 49710/24/2018

R494 is completely right. Players like Rafa and Fed don't go around whining and bellyaching about injuries during a match or before a tournament. That would give strategic info to their opponents, worry fans, possibly affect attendance, and perhaps affect their sponsors.

When asked following a loss, they're up-front about when something's not right. When something is off, sore, or injured, it affects their play. Injuries are not excuses, especially at their level and with their bodies being their moneymaker.

On the opposite end of the spectrum are guys like Kyrgios, Murray, and Sock who throw tempter tantrums, smash racquets, and act the fool when they're injured, upset, or have a hangnail.

by Anonymousreply 49810/24/2018

Surprised Capriati's parole officer let her go all the way to Singapore.

by Anonymousreply 49910/24/2018

Davenport would actually be less successful today, because they have slowed down all the courts to favour the pushers. Having great movement is more important right now than being a great ballstriker, look at the success of Kerber, Wozniacki, Halep, Stephens lately. Although she was a little unlucky to come across peak Williams sisters etc. so many times.

Tbh I think all the other girls hated Capriati at the time. She was antisocial, kind of an asshole, and always arguing with the umpires in their matches. She was more popular in her 'first' career when she won the Olympic Gold and made the Roland Garros semifinal at like 6 years old.

by Anonymousreply 50010/24/2018

[quote] Tbh I think all the other girls hated Capriati at the time. She was antisocial, kind of an asshole, and always arguing with the umpires in their matches.

She always did have the best coke though.

by Anonymousreply 50110/24/2018

[quote]She always did have the best coke though—Gigi Fernandez

You are joking, right? That ho always cut her shit with baby talc and weed killer.

by Anonymousreply 50210/24/2018

I get what you're saying about the slower courts RE Lindsay. But she was mentally tough. Only prime Venus and Serena had her number. I was never a big fan of hers during her prime - I'm a Venus stan - but I so appreciate her now.

Remember when we had Serena, Hingis, Venus, Capriati, Henin, a young Sharapova, Clijsters, an older Graf and Seles all battling from mid-90s to mid-00s? I loved the WTA back then. And the second tier would be be the first tier today: Pierce, Mauresmo, Martinez. Alas.

by Anonymousreply 50310/25/2018

Lindsay was VERY mentally solid until GS finals. :( I've also come to appreciate her more than I did at the time. Another thing that would work against her now is the extended clay court season, and the almost abandonment of the European Indoor season (hard AND carpet) which is where she really played her best tennis.

It really was a prime era. Even the players who only peaked every once in a while or had short careers, such as Anke Huber, Iva Majoli, Alicia Molik, Jelena Dokic, Dominique Monami, Elena Dementieva, Nathalie Tauziat, Ai Sugiyama, Mirjana Lucic, and Chanda Rubin were very entertaining when they were on. The final years of the likes of Novotna, Sanchez Vicario, and Amanda Coetzer who were all still dangerous floaters in any draw. Kournikova too was quite fun in retrospect and never reached her full potential - she's much made fun of but she retired at only 21.

by Anonymousreply 50410/25/2018

I like you R504. If Dementieva could land a damn serve she'd have won a few Slams. And my teenage self had a soft spot for Novotna. Her Wimbledon win was epic in '98.

by Anonymousreply 50510/25/2018

I agree, R504, about Lindsay Davenport being mentally tough UNTIL she got to the GS finals, and I'd say semi-finals, too, as her career went on. Davenport is one of those players who I think should have about 3-4 more Slams than she does. But Lindsay could go on a walkabout in the middle of a match. She could be destroying the player across the net, then suddenly she couldn't get a ball in play, would get down on herself, and it would all fall apart from there.

by Anonymousreply 50610/25/2018

Marry me, r504! Those were the days!! I don’t get why the WTA seems to be hell-bent on enabling the frankly unappealing, shrieking baseline bores that have become the norm, almost a sort of identical, factory-made product. It’s killing women’s tennis. If the WTA only had the courage to really speed up at least the hard courts, it might encourage a few of the younger players to start working on an attacking game, sorely needed in the women's game.

by Anonymousreply 50710/25/2018

[quote] Those were the days!!

So true. Martina and I would mentor those young fillies. We’d train them in so many ways. And the men! Oh so hot! Those were real mens. Anyway enough reminiscing. Ah. Good times.

by Anonymousreply 50810/25/2018

Svitolina goes through. Hope she loses her semi.

by Anonymousreply 50910/25/2018

Pammie, simmer-dimmer!

by Anonymousreply 51010/25/2018

Kvitova is the first player since Bouchard in 2014 to go 0-3 in Singapore

by Anonymousreply 51110/25/2018

Wozniacki gets so much shit but at least she was number 1 and won a major. Despite getting into the top 5 Svitolina is one of the most average players.

by Anonymousreply 51210/25/2018

[quote] Wozniacki gets so much shit but at least she was number 1 and won a major.

Hall of fame for sure!

by Anonymousreply 51310/25/2018

With the watered-down criteria over the last 10-15 years, Wozniacki is a lock for the HOF. The only question is whether she gets in her first year of eligibility.

I was at the HOF several years ago and the process was clearly a lot different back in the day. Maureen Connolly, for example, dominated for 3-4 years in the early to mid '50s, winning all the GS tournaments she entered before a non-tennis injury ended her career. She wasn't inducted until nearly 15 years later. Now a player just has to pull 2 championship-level weeks together and they are likely to get in.

by Anonymousreply 51410/25/2018

R513 Better than most!

by Anonymousreply 51510/25/2018

R514 There have been several one-slam wonders who haven't made it in, though: Conchita Martinez, Myskina, Novotna, Bartoli, etc. I don't think Mary Pierce is in and she won two slams!

Wozniacki did reach #1, though, so she has done much better than just getting playing well for two weeks.

by Anonymousreply 51610/25/2018

Novatna has bageled in the hall of Fame.

by Anonymousreply 51710/25/2018

Svitolina should never win a slam or reach the #1 spot but remember that Wozniacki didn't win a slam until several years after she became #1. She also got lucky in the AO final that Halep was wiped out from that brutal SF against Kerber.

Kvitova just hated the slow Singapore courts. This was her first loss to Pliskova

by Anonymousreply 51810/25/2018

Wozniacki also got lucky at the AO with that Jana Fett match where Fett had match point and hit an ace, but didn't challenge when it was called out. Hawkeye showed anyway that the serve as good. She had won the match (if she had only challenged). And then proceeded to completely choke a healthy lead and let Carowhine back in. I will NEVER forgive Jana Fett.

Kvitova has been so bad at the big events this year. She had a leading H2H against all three players in her group. She can grind her way through a Prague Open draw but the moment there's pressure her game becomes a mess of errors.

It's ridiculous that Mary Pierce isn't in the HoF. In addition to her 2 slams she has another 4 runner up finishes and a further 18 titles. Was one of the first 'big babe tennis' pioneers, one of the first to get interesting with on court fashion, one of the first with a psychotic father (which became the biggest trend of all), and had a great off-court persona.

I still remember that RG 1994 run where she only dropped six games in her first FIVE matches. She then flogged Steffi Graf in the semi finals 6-2 6-2, but then too jittery in the final where she lost to Sanchez Vicario. Another one who probably should have achieved more than she did.

by Anonymousreply 51910/25/2018

[quote] Wozniacki also got lucky at the AO with that Jana Fett match where Fett had match point and hit an ace,

Jana Fett is just a simple woman trying to make her way in the universe.

by Anonymousreply 52010/25/2018

R519 and now Fett can barely win a match so..... I'm sure she would've went on to win the whole tournament lol. Get lost Wozniacki hater!!!

by Anonymousreply 52110/25/2018

R521 You need to work on your reading comprehension dear. Nobody said Jana Fett was a great champion or destined to win the Australian Open. But she beat Wozniacki in that match, fair and square. Caroline is so bad she even needed that piece of EXTRAORDINARY luck to get through her ITF Djibouti draw. And lucky enough to play an exhausted Simona Halep in the final. Who gets Elise Mertens in a slam semi final other than her?

It's very telling that despite winning 3 big titles, she has only even had to face TWO top 10 players this year before the finals. By comparison Kiki Bertens has not only faced but BEATEN 11 of them. Wozniacki is a fraud of a top player.

by Anonymousreply 52210/25/2018

Popsicle playing

by Anonymousreply 52310/25/2018

R512: Woz won her GS years before being number one, in fact if my memory doesn't fail she only reach one GS final during her reign.

And i wasn't implying that Federer or Nadal weren't great, they are legends, but i find irritating the fact they always come with an injury after they lose (and like in this case not in the press conference after the lose but months after). I understand not wanting to give advantage to their rivals and even more when you are a player who has a clear advantage because a lot of players are intimidated to play against them.

But i got the impression that people tolerates a lot of things of those two that would be criticied in others. They have fame of praise their rivals but the truth is they are very generous in their praise when they win but not when they lose (and frankly being generous when you won is way easier).

Of course the good press has a lot to do not only with the fact of them being amazing players but with the fact they barely say anything controversial during their whole career (even when they do they seem to get a pass, Rafa said almost the same than Nole about women being payed the same but he didn't receive the backlash Nole received).

by Anonymousreply 52410/25/2018


by Anonymousreply 52510/25/2018

R522 So you're just going to discredit years of being a top 10 player and her decently long reign as world number 1? Ok makes perfect sense. Also you play whoever is across the net. It's not her fault other top players lost early. A weak draw is a bullshit excuse.

by Anonymousreply 52610/25/2018

Wozniacki is a great player with a solid game but nothing about her game except for her movement is outstanding. Her backhand is nice and consistent and she can hit it anywhere but it's not a knockout shot.

by Anonymousreply 52710/25/2018

R526 Years of being a top 10 player is more a reflection of the era. I mean Pliskova was #1 last year. Both last year and this year, Kristina Mladenovic went on the longest losing streak in tennis history and was in the top 10 for most of it. I agree that you play whoever is across the net. In her case she happens to have a lot more luck with who is across the net than other players do.

Her game is dire. She runs well and has a consistent (yet thoroughly soft) backhand. Sometimes will hit less than 5 winners in an entire match. She outlasts her opponents, more than I can say she actually 'beats' them. In fact her biggest weapon is probably all the gamesmanship (whether delay tactics, arguing with umpires, mocking her opponents, taking well-timed medical time outs - including in the other day's match vs Kvitova, all the drama with her father, threatening to sue Marija Cicak, asking them to delay the match to the next day when she's down a set and a break at RG this year, making up death threats from the Miami crowd this year....).

I'm not denying her successes. But a great tennis player? Nope..

by Anonymousreply 52810/25/2018

Well, there's a difference between a tennis player with a great game and a tennis player with a great career. Woz has clearly had a great career. Radwanska has an interesting game, but her career pales in comparison.

Anyway, I was looking at the list of tennis HOF members and there are some odd choices. Kafelnikov won 2 slams and reached #1, but he's missing. Sabatini and Chang made it in without reaching #1. I guess they do a lot to promote the game in South America and Asia? But Kafelnikov must have pissed someone off to not be included.

by Anonymousreply 52910/25/2018

[quote] Kafelnikov won 2 slams and reached #1, but he's missing

He’s not there because he’s an overachiever. Not cool, bro.

by Anonymousreply 53010/25/2018
by Anonymousreply 53110/25/2018

Monfils team.

by Anonymousreply 53210/25/2018

at least for now Nishikori moves ahead of Isner in the race as Kei won today and John lost

Coric is in 11th place and a long shot though he could close the gap if he keeps going this week and does very well in Paris next week

by Anonymousreply 53310/25/2018

Do we know if Rafa is playing Paris? I so want him to get his fifth year end number 1 ranking. But it doesn't look good. Nole has zero points to defend as playing like it's 2015.

by Anonymousreply 53410/25/2018

The further Isner keeps getting pushed down the better.

by Anonymousreply 53510/25/2018

Roddick’s looking very poofy in that photo, r531.

by Anonymousreply 53610/26/2018

Yes! In Vienna, Thiem knocked off Querrey and Monfils knocked off Isner, both in straight sets. Go Europe over American deplorables!

by Anonymousreply 53710/26/2018

All top 4 seeds knocked out in round robin at wta finals.

by Anonymousreply 53810/26/2018

Kerber just struggles SO much with Stephens. Can't hit through her at all, and she really tried a lot of different tactics today. This court seems tailor made for the Sloane Ranger.

Bertens, Stephens, Pliskova and Svitolina are through to the SF stage. Which makes sense as they've been the best players of this tournament by quite some margin.

by Anonymousreply 53910/26/2018

Hope Sloane takes it all.

by Anonymousreply 54010/26/2018

Impressed with Sloane this week given her Asian swing and Moscow losses.

The SF are

Svitolina vs. Bertens

Pliskova vs. Stephens

by Anonymousreply 54110/26/2018

Nishikori walked over Thiem

It is the good week of the year for Kukushkin and Copil

by Anonymousreply 54210/26/2018

Zverev is coming for Federer's hometown title!

by Anonymousreply 54310/26/2018

Federer needs to defeat Tsitsipas or Medvedev first. He is struggling a bit, but i won't be surprised if he ends winning anyway

by Anonymousreply 54410/26/2018

Federer finds a way to win 90 something percent of the time even if he's not particularly playing that well.

by Anonymousreply 54510/26/2018

Looks like Fed might even win this evening’s match against Gilles Simon. Federer is playing the worst I’ve ever seen him play—he looks like some grumpy old man complaining about the unseasonably cold weather and his chilblains. Simon, on the other hand, is playing his little heart out and, though he’s a loathsomely sexist Cochin, I’m mesmerized by the outline of his permanently semihard dick.

by Anonymousreply 54610/26/2018

(Cochin is autocorrect for cochon, obviously.)

by Anonymousreply 54710/26/2018

I just can't get behind Sloane when she tanks her matches for 90% of the year. If it's not a major, or an American event, she's just there for the appearance fee lol.

Right now Federer is barely getting through Gilles Simon. Even with his ability to still get the job done even not at his best, it doesn't look good when facing Tsitsipas/Zverev/Medvedev etc.

Here's a pic of the WTA 'legends' (some more than others but okay). Monica looks good!

by Anonymousreply 54810/26/2018

[quote]Do we know if Rafa is playing Paris?

This article says he will train in Paris and accordingly on how he feels both physically and tennis-wise will take a decision. Del Potro is out obviously and Federer will decide after Basel

by Anonymousreply 54910/26/2018

Who are the two women to the left of Davenport and the two to the right of Clijsters?

Also, I can't believe that Monica struggled with her weight during her entire post-stabbing career. But as soon as she retired, she dropped the weight and looks great. Was it all mental scars from the stabbing? Or is she just much happier in retirement?

by Anonymousreply 55010/26/2018

In Vienna we had 2 retirements today.

Coric retires against Anderson with foot blisters, obviously saving himself for Paris. Anderson got a walkover from Melzer in the previous round

Monfils also retired against Verdasco

by Anonymousreply 55110/26/2018

Paris draw is out. Nadal is entered in it for now

by Anonymousreply 55210/26/2018

[quote]Who are the two women to the left of Davenport and the two to the right of Clijsters?

I think the two on the left are Yayuk Basuki & Alicia Molik and the ones on the right Iva Majoli & Tamarine Tanasugarn

by Anonymousreply 55310/26/2018

Thanks, R553! I never would have guessed any of those names, but I do vaguely remember three of them from their playing days. No recollection of Yayuk Basuki at all, though.

by Anonymousreply 55410/26/2018

[quote]I can't believe that Monica struggled with her weight during her entire post-stabbing career. But as soon as she retired, she dropped the weight and looks great.


by Anonymousreply 55510/26/2018

[quote] But as soon as she retired, she dropped the weight and looks great. Was it all mental scars from the stabbing? Or is she just much happier in retirement?

She’s now married to a billionaire.

by Anonymousreply 55610/26/2018

I remember Basuky! She was from Indonesia

by Anonymousreply 55710/26/2018

Medvedev def. Tsitsipas in 3 sets.

Basel SF:

Zverev vs. Copil

Federer vs. Medvedev

Vienna SF (no one under 30!)

Nishikori vs. Kukushkin

Federer vs. Anderson

by Anonymousreply 55810/26/2018

oops Nishikori is 28

by Anonymousreply 55910/26/2018

Billionaire semen really agrees with Monica.

Martina and Chris also look great.

by Anonymousreply 56010/26/2018

[quote] Billionaire semen really agrees with Monica.

So did stainless steel.

by Anonymousreply 56110/26/2018

Are any of you on Thiem team?

by Anonymousreply 56210/26/2018

Majoli has either had a lot of work done, or just has one of those faces that look like it. Much was made of her high society jet setting back in the day. I agree that Monica has controlled her weight and appearance a lot better, the cushy lifestyle obviously agrees with her and she has a private chef. Actually, Davenport doesn't look too bad either considering she's had like 5 kids. She was probably a bit bigger during her playing days. Capriati looks decent too considering her 'choices' throughout the years, although she's still quite young. Clijsters has ballooned but she always had the kind of body that was going to. She was already very thick during her playing days and her game was VERY athletic to be that size.

Federer's Paris draw is (finally) not very generous to him. First round against Tsonga/Raonic. Kevin Anderson, Fognini, Nishikori, John Millman all floating in his quarter. If he loses in Basel there's no way he shows up to this.

by Anonymousreply 56310/26/2018


by Anonymousreply 56410/26/2018

Basuki and Tanasugarn are odd choices to be there, unless it's just because they're both from that region. They were solid players, spending much of their careers in the Top 50, but neither reached the top Ten, and I can't remember either reaching a Grand Slam quarterfinal. They were both at their best on grass and at Wimbledon, so I'm sure they're not enjoying the slow courts here.

One piece of trivia I always remember about Tanasugarn is that she was the first player to win a match on Arthur Ashe stadium, 1R in 1997 over Chanda Rubin.

by Anonymousreply 56510/27/2018

Svitolina d Bertens in 3 sets to reach the Tour Finals.

I've been seeing/hearing a lot of comments recently about how often the matches at the Tour Finals go to three sets, and isn't that great for women's tennis. Well, it's not a bad thing, but I don't know how the media and tour executives keep missing the point: We need to give a shit about the players. We need personalities. We need rivalries. It's great that they're playing competitive tennis, it's great that there's depth in the game, blah blah blah. But if that's all we needed, we could watch college tennis.

When Svitolina (or Bertens, or Pliskova, or Wozniacki) is met with a collective yawn, it's not a good sign. Maybe I'm in the minority, but every Svitolina match could go to a tiebreaker in the 3rd set, but if I'm not emotionally invested in Svitolina, I really won't care.

I feel like there's a couple of players on the verge of becoming personalities, so there is hope. And pay attention, ATP, because this could be you in a couple of years if you're not prepared.

by Anonymousreply 56610/27/2018

R564 ... GGGGGay!

by Anonymousreply 56710/27/2018

R566: But to get rivalries you need consistent players who play against each other on finals or semis, and that's exactly what we don't have right now.

And most players seem to have the most neutral personality, i don't know if it's the lack of culture, they being training since very young and not having interest in other things or what, but apart of bitching on court most of them seem lack of charisma.

It's not it's that different in male tennis, most young players doesn't seem that interesting either but the truth is Roger and Rafa have no interesting personalities either (at least that's what the show, because they are probably very worried in their public image) but both have tons of charisma on court, their games are what attract people

by Anonymousreply 56810/27/2018

Glad to see Sloane Stephens come back and beat Pliskbot in 3 sets. I wish Sloane was more consistent throughout the year. She really should have won the French this year.

by Anonymousreply 56910/27/2018

Nishikori vs Anderson for Vienna title

Copil ousts Zverev in Basel to face Federer

by Anonymousreply 57010/27/2018

Zverev looks like it's almost there but he never reaches the objective. He is way ahead the next generation players but if he doesn't step up soon he is going to lose all his advantage

by Anonymousreply 57110/27/2018

By the way a popular tv personality (he has shows about animals on tv) shamed Rafa Nadal for playing in Arabia Saudi (it's not the first time, he did the same when he played in Thailand). He said something about expecting backlash because being critic with Nadal in Spain is like being critic with God in a church but he is not known for keeping his opinions to himself

by Anonymousreply 57210/27/2018

would be hilarious if journeyman Copil won over Federer for his first title in Federer's home event

by Anonymousreply 57310/27/2018

Is Copil journeyman or veteran or both?

by Anonymousreply 57410/27/2018

(R565), yes Tanasugarn and Basuki are definitely there because they are from the region.

Tammy actually did make the QF at Wimbledon once - i think it was 2008 or 2009. And as a side note, I have worked with her on a number of occasions and she is absolutely one of the nicest people you could ever hope to meet, not just compared with other tennis players, but generally. She truly is an absolute sweetheart.

by Anonymousreply 57510/27/2018

That's nice to hear re: Tanasugarn. It's tougher for players like them from more remote regions (such as Ons Jabeur and Malek Jaziri from Tunisia) to break through because they don't have the funding, coaching support, facilities, or the local ITF tournaments to develop that the American/Russian/Czech/Australian/German (and now Chinese) players do. You basically have to be VERY good and VERY lucky and find a way to pay your way to international events. Which is why if they're rich they get sent to those tennis facilities in Florida.

I am rooting for Copil! It would be a nice story for him.

by Anonymousreply 57610/28/2018

The most basic ass pro tennis player just won the year end championships.

by Anonymousreply 57710/28/2018

Holy fuck! What the hell happened to Sloane? R577 is so right. Svitolina is a crashing bore to watch. Now she's the Year End Champion? Women's tennis is in the grave. Wake me when it resurrects.

by Anonymousreply 57810/28/2018

Nishikori loses Vienna final. What is track record in finals?

by Anonymousreply 57910/28/2018

[quote]What is track record in finals?

I'm not sure but he lost his last 9 finals. Anderson qualified for the ATP Finals in London for the 1st time (at 32 yo).

Federer just won his 99th title

by Anonymousreply 58010/28/2018

So glad Federer won his 99th title!! Copil played a good match until those last Hawkeye challenges. Why is he ranked in the 60’s? He has a top 20 game. Luckily for him he’ll move up to the 30s tomorrow.

by Anonymousreply 58110/28/2018

Sloane had her leg strapped under her skirt and I think it affected her in the second and third sets.

by Anonymousreply 58210/28/2018

Will Svitolina follow this up next year and win a major like Wozniacki?

by Anonymousreply 58310/28/2018

If Svitolina plays a match and no one shows to watch it, will she still be considered to be playing tennis?

by Anonymousreply 58410/28/2018

I must be the only one who doesn't dislike Svitolina's game.

Of course with that kind of game you need a strong mentality and fighting spirit (and she seems lacking that) to get the best results, but her game is not that terrible. In fact i prefer watching her than most brainless ballbashers on the circuit

by Anonymousreply 58510/28/2018

Its gonna be hard for her to win a major with that game, but Wozniacki did it. However, she is mentally quite strong and known to fight for it. Svitolina usually gives up but this week she didnt so maybe this will be a turning point for her.

by Anonymousreply 58610/28/2018

I still think the WTA will be a free-for-all for the next few years. I still don't see anyone with the skill/mental toughness-combo to be a consistent factor in the big tournaments. Any of the Top 20 could win a Slam, any could go out in the 1st round. Remember that while Wozniacki followed up her Singapore win with her first Slam win, her immediate 2 predecessors - Radwanska and Cibulkova - weren't able to use it as a springboard.

by Anonymousreply 58710/28/2018

Realistically Svitolina only has a shot at the AO or RG. I don't think her game works as well at Wimbledon or the USO

by Anonymousreply 58810/28/2018

Is ESL back?

by Anonymousreply 58910/28/2018

Svitolina is just mentally so hopeless at the slams. She's had ample opportunities, HUGE leads in quarter finals (that RG where she had Halep totally on the ropes only to choke hard), plenty of soft draws. Still has never made a SF. Maybe this will help her, maybe not. But she's always going to be vulnerable to a big hitter. She didn't have to face any this week.... well Kiki Bertens has a nice heavy stroke but it's pretty much neutered by that slow ass Singapore court.

by Anonymousreply 59010/28/2018

Has Agassi joined Dimitrov’s team?

by Anonymousreply 59110/28/2018

[quote]Has Agassi joined Dimitrov’s team?

Looks like it, for Paris at least....where is Dani V, ?

by Anonymousreply 59210/28/2018

it all comes down to Paris for the last WTF spots...there are some long shots but they'd have to reach the SF/F or win the title. It looks like Nishikori and/or Isner (if Del Potro withdraws) will get the last 2 slots

by Anonymousreply 59310/28/2018

New thread, bitches!

by Anonymousreply 59410/28/2018

Dimitrov team

by Anonymousreply 59510/28/2018

She’s so fat. So very fat.

by Anonymousreply 59610/28/2018

But she’ll do well at Skagen I predict.

by Anonymousreply 59710/28/2018

The problem with Agassi coaching is that he's unwilling to make a full-time commitment. I guess it's fine if it works for you, but I think Dimitrov needs someone more dedicated for constant encouragement. He seems to get down on himself pretty quickly.

Also, Agassi is pretty untested as a coach. Not saying he's bad, but we haven't seen successful results yet, and the Djokovic experiment wasn't exactly a success.

by Anonymousreply 59810/29/2018

Give me a call, Grigor!

by Anonymousreply 59910/29/2018

Svitolina press conference transcript.

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