*BREAKING* KAVANAUGH REVEALED TO BE FIENDISH SEX PUTZ.

Well. Hopefully this will stop the fatfaced preppie in his tracks.

I'll bet the committee still moves to confirm in which case Collins is going to have a tough choice. The silver lining is that the Dem senators in red states have better air cover to vote NO on Kavanugh

Just looking at him you know this story is true. Now the reuplicans will reward this mealy mouthed shit with a job for life

Link to the Washington Post story..

It won't, R1, not without further accusations. If he's got a habit of doing this and if more women speak up, then his nomination could get derailed. Until then, Senate Republicans will ignore this.

He's been forgiven by our White Lord. Who are you to judge?

So?..

The argument was that you couldn't use an anonymous letter to try and pin accusations on him - well, now that it's not anonymous, has that changed?

Haberman has retweeted it, so has Daniel Dale... good bye Florence, hello next week.

*BREAKING* DRUNKEN, HORMONAL TEEN ATTEMPTS TO CLUMSILY TONGUE AND REMOVE COED'S KNICKERS.

at least she seems credible. predictions are more women are going to come out. Kavanugh is toast

Anita Hill was not successful at derailing Thomas. Are we at a different point in time as a society?

^ So that's the dilemma... is it a one of drunken stupid horny teen - not acceptable but is it enough to derail? - or is there a pattern?

Until more women come forward. He will get confirmed.

He attempted to grind his body against me too.

I just said "No!" firmly and repeatedly until my hands were blue.

r12 Yes. we are right in the middle of the MeToo movement. When Anita came forward there plenty of women that didn't believe her at that time period. Different times today

I pray there are others out there with similar stories. Once a predator, always a predator

Sure hashtag fake too. The movement was highjacked by celebs. I won't jump into conclusion and accuse him of repeated offenses. He is not a predator. What happened is common among teenagers now adults.

There was physical violence involved, r12.

I hope some of the 65 women who signed that letter speak up and retract their support.

Does America really want this on the SC at the same time they are trying to cut out systemic abuse of women?

Can’t be both.

He wasn’t honest about it up front which is what we need from Justices.

Nobody’s perfect, but being a sneaky weasel is not the way to go for that position.

What was the second guy trying to do? Join in or get him off of her?

I perfekt.

I also be best.

He put his hand over her mouth and turned up the music to drown out her screams. That’s a little more than a teenage boy fumbling at her clothes.

She passed a lie detector test. Also, there were two others in the house. Neither of them seem to be talking.

[quote]What happened is common among teenagers now adults.

I don't know where you grew up, r19, but forcible attempted sexual contact, let alone with covering up the mouth of the non-consenting person, was not "common" when I was in high school a few years later than this douche. People could have been arrested and some were, and surely, many similarly-situated but not as well off pigs were kicked out of school for behaving like that.

I know, I know ... But Hillary's emails.

It's more imperative than ever that he be confirmed as a Supreme Court Justice. I've always, always wanted a BFF on the court.

No comment thus far from Kavanaugh, the WH or the other guy who was named in the article, Kavanaugh’s buddy who was in the room when it happened (last name Judge.)

It’s a credible story. She described the incident to her therapist in 2012 and she passed a polygraph test. I think others will come forward too.

[quote]What happened is common among teenagers now adults.

No. What is described as happening goes way beyond "common." It's sexual assault and attempted rape. That's neither normal nor common.

Like I stated everything sounds fishy to me. I am sure he was properly vetted before trump people picked him. He will be confirmed and all this just seems like a he said she said situation. Until some other women come forward this is not all that credible. If he withdraws trump will just nominate somone worst than him like amy I forgot her last name.

[quote]I am sure he was properly vetted before trump people picked him.

Trump's other picks, for the courts and for executive branch positions, show that this is not necessarily true.

R31 define worse?

Next pick: Judge Jeannine Piro!

Leavr it to liberals to overidentify the situation. I won't label him a rapist because I don't know how credible this story truly is. It is more like a he said she said situation.

Leave it to an idiot to miss the point. R35, it's not that Kavanaugh is necessarily a rapist. It's that the situation described by this woman is sexual assault and attempted rape. That does not put a judgment on whether the story is true or not but it is an accurate representation of the story.

She not only passed a polygraph test, she also told about this in 2012 couples therapy. This happened and it was terrifying for her.

Brett is a sociopath and his snarky, sleazy confirmation answers should have disqualified his ass RIGHT THEN AND THERE. Enough with the evil Repugs pushing through their shit, vile judges.

If Murkowski or Collins vote for this sociopath, we need to go after them with a vengeance!

R35, this is just a hunch, but I think you ended up on the wrong website.

R35 would would be in favor of a postponement until she can testify?

Oh, it figures. R35 was also the idiot who insisted that this was "common among teenagers." So the only person to "overidentify" [sic] here is r35.

Wow at the obvious conservatives infesting this site lately like r35.

If this were a LIBERAL nominee, the Repugs would be screaming like banshees with their hair literally on fire.

Amy connet barrett might be new supreme court nominee if Brett is not confirmed. Be careful what you guys wish for. She will be worst on the bench.

I blocked r35

[quote]I am sure he was properly vetted before trump people picked him.

Bullshit. The second Trump learned that Kavanaugh would vote for him and against Mueller, he got the nomination. That was the criteria, plain and simple. Nothing else mattered.

Judge Jeannine touched my no-no region!

They're all a nightmare, R42, but remember.... if this goes off the rails there probably isn't time to get another nominee forward and confirmed before the midterms... then the game will change.

R42 she can't get confirmed. She's a cultist

R44. If Brett withdraw trump will really fuck with liberals by nominating Amy Barrett.

[quote] It is more like a he said she said situation.

Actually, it's more like a she-said, they-said situation. There was another "participant" in the room at the time who could speak out.

The fact that she has notes from the therapist describing what happened lends weight to her story. Kavanaugh denies it happened so why doesn't he take a polygraph test too?

Kavanaugh belonged to a secret society at Yale called the Tit and Clit Club.

Okay, can we have a little lesson for r31 / r42 about how the word "worst" has a different meaning than "worse," and how stupid she continues to sound by misusing it?!

No link yet, but CNN is reporting that Christine Ford contacted the Post before Kavanaugh was even nominated.

The vetting MUST have brought this up. The second this woman’s allegation went public, the GOP released a statement signed by 56 women who knew him during his school years saying what a nice guy he apparent was.

The fact that they had this attestation ready to go means THEY KNEW

R52. I am not the one who will be crying when Brett gets confirmed.

We need to come after anyone who votes to confirm him, not just Murkowski and Collins.

Does it not irk anyone else that the media and most other people place the pressure solely on those two women to not confirm BK?

Every one of Dump's potential nominees is horrific. We can stop Brett the sociopath now. Good enough for me. His next nominee will be horrific and we all know that. Stop Brett NOW!

He's so fucking creepy

It's cute you guys think this will matter to the Senate.

R56, the reason that those two are picked is that both have indicated in the past that they will not vote to confirm someone like Kavanaugh. People are coming after them because their actions, yet again, don't match their rhetoric.

There's a win either way... if he sails through, that is one more big alienation between the Republicans and suburban women, who are bailing on them a lot already. That should strengthen the house and maybe the Senate outcomes.

If he is derailed, there surely isn't time to renominate and get it done before election day, is there?

R59, we know it won't but the hope is that, if it's true, there are likely to be other incidents. If nothing else comes out, Kavanaugh is almost certain to win. If a handful of other women come out, that could conceivably make a difference.

Likely not, R61. It takes a couple of months, minimum.

They’re not nominating him for dog catcher. This is a serious role and he is a liar and now a perv.

Not good enough for the supreme bench.

He puts his hands over her mouth. He restrained her.

This is not boys being boys.

And the repugs in congress tried to cover this up.

They need to quit obstructing justice already.

I've contacted my Republican senator, and real-life ventriloquist dummy come to life, to vote no on Kavanaugh, but he is always too busy "working for us" to take any of my calls.

If the other boy hadn't jumped on them, he probably would have raped her.

Is there a statute of limitations and has it passed? Because it becomes a lot safer for the other guy to step forward and confirm. He can claim he jumped on them for the purpose of breaking it up. But he'd have to feel safe, first.

Kavanaugh will never be able to write a majority or dissenting opinion on any case relating to rape, statute of limitations, use of polygraph, use of therapist files in a case plus a hundred more options that people will drum up.

If he's truly committed to the power of the SCOTUS as an impartial branch of government (and the good guy everyone claims) he'd remove himself from consideration.

Someone just said Mrs. Ford did not specifically mention Brett's name just the incident. Still, she passed a polygraph test and did mention the incident to her therapist. He should not be on the bench. We need as squeaky clean as you can get on a lifetime appt with the reach of his potential decisions.

And now he’s lying about it ever happening.

This guy is a liar and menace and has no business on the Supreme Court.

It's not just how Murkowski and Collins will vote. You have blue dog. Joe Manchin, up for reelection in West Virginia -- a state that went (and still does) go all in for Trump. This comes at a bad time for him.

Link r70?

Links, people! Or you made it up.

She gave his specific name to a therapist in 2012 so r70 is not accurate.

There is no way one of the Red state Dems can vote to confirm now. No way. And hell yes we will go after Murkowski and Collins. It is put up and shut up time. Never again should they be listened to after this if they vote to confirm.

It wasn't rape-rape.

r73 It was just said on CNN by some woman in white. She could be wrong. But she said it literally minutes ago.

“I thought he might inadvertently kill me,” said Ford, now a 51-year-old research psychologist in northern California. “He was trying to attack me and remove my clothing.”

“In an interview, her husband, Russell Ford, said that in the 2012 sessions, she recounted being trapped in a room with two drunken boys, one of whom pinned her to a bed, molested her and prevented her from screaming. He said he recalled that his wife used Kavanaugh’s last name and voiced concern that Kavanaugh — then a federal judge — might one day be nominated to the Supreme Court.”

R74, you are assuming that the red state they represent will be okay with a no vote. Joe Manchin is a red state dem in West Virginia and is also up for reelection in November. I believe West Virginia had the highest percentage for Trump of any state.

Does Kav have a big dick? Any reports?

A no vote for Brett NOW will not sink a Red state Dem IMO. Manchin is very popular there. There are a million ways to spin a no vote now.

The only one I worry about would be Heidi or Joe D but I still think they could easily spin this.

This becomes a diversion for the left at a time when we need not to get diverted. He's not going to bed kept off the SCOTUS because of a weird clumsy teenage experience. He needs to be challenged on the basis that he didn't answer any questions! this will help him. He'll be a martyr in the eyes of men. Jeebus, didn't we learn anything from the Thomas hearings??

It does give Red state dems an out. They felt forced before to go along with it but now they have a bone fide excuse to vote no.

It’s not the 80s anymore. See Les Moonves.

I think he's tremendous!

I posted this on the Ronan thread, not realizing that this thread exists:

Does anyone else think Kavanaugh is currently a heavy drinker? Not all Irish have a puffy reddish face as he does. If anyone asks how he got so far in his career, a lot of alcoholics are quite functional and charming. Besides, at his level in the judiciary don't clerks do most of the work and heavy lifting?

If he's currently a heavy drinker, that should be of concern. (i.e if it's something he wants to keep secret, he is susceptible to blackmail)

also remember this stuff tanked Roy Moore in AL. It's a justifiable reason to disqualify a public servant.

[quote]Manchin is very popular there. There are a million ways to spin a no vote now.

"I just thought about it and I decided I can't vote for a man when there's so many questions unanswered about what happened in that situations. And I decided West Virginians wouldn't want me to either."

Even if people here wee right, which won't happen...drumpf will just nominate the woman on his list who's as right-wing as this guy

He was RIDIN' DIRRTY!!!

One thing the Pussy Grabber can't grab on this one is the high ground.

[quote]Link R70? Links, people! Or you made it up.

I'm not R70 but the link is upthread in R4, to the Washington Post story. Reporting on this is necessarily sketchy as new details come to light and the Post is being very careful about what it can accurately report.

[quote]Ford said she told no one of the incident in any detail until 2012, when she was in couples therapy with her husband. The therapist’s notes, portions of which were provided by Ford and reviewed by The Washington Post, do not mention Kavanaugh’s name but say she reported that she was attacked by students “from an elitist boys’ school” who went on to become “highly respected and high-ranking members of society in Washington.” The notes say four boys were involved, a discrepancy Ford says was an error on the therapist’s part. Ford said there were four boys at the party but only two in the room.

That same story says that her husband said that she did call out Kavanaugh at that time, so who knows?

Heitkamp has already embraced Trump a bit and faces a very tough election.

R88, but there won’t be time for a second candidate to get through before the midterms.

R88, while that is undoubtedly true, that individual would not be approved until after the election, which could change things.

R88 even so, she's not in the bag for "you can't subpoena a sitting president"

2012 therapy notes recounting the rape attempt. Significant.

Am I the only one having flashbacks to the OLTL Todd and Marty story?

Maybe others will cover forward

[quote]a weird clumsy teenage experience

You gotta be fucking kidding me. A “weird clumsy teenage experience” is getting caught jerking off in the bathroom or tucking your skirt into your tights. It’s not forcibly holding down a teenage girl, covering her mouth, and attempting to rape her, shithead.

This WaPo column by righty Jennifer Rubin illustrates how boxed in the Republicans are. There is no good way out.

Best line The nomination fortunately does not hang on whether the White House or the vast majority of Senate Republicans behave responsibly, for surely they will not.

Boxed in: Here, the two pro-choice Republican senators, Susan Collins of Maine and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, once more are in the driver’s seat. If they indicate they will not vote to confirm unless and until the matter is investigated, then the nomination stops in its tracks. Now, it is one thing for a senator to accept the dubious proposition that Kavanaugh won’t impair federal protection for women seeking an abortion; it is quite another to refuse to investigate a plausible accusation of sexual assault, no matter how old. It’s hard to see how these two moderate Republicans can brush the allegations aside without further inquiry.

If a guy tried to do this today and attended a school like Georgetown Prep, he'd likely be expelled. Certainly if he attended St. Albans and Sidwell.

Her coming forward with the 2012 notes changes this completely into something huge.

R85, he is probably what we call a gammon over here. Probably does drink a fair bit but not really excessively. He just has that bright pink white, overweight middle aged man look.

All Red State Dems have cover to vote no. Even Heidi. She has not embraced Dump. She is in a very red state. She has to vote the way her constituents want. Even then, she votes on the Dem side probably north of 75%.

If he withdraws, unlikely, he needs to be stopped. This is the time for the Dems to be united AND peel off a few Repugs. I swear to GAWD this is the time Flake and Corker NEED to stand up for what is right and finally NOT vote with Dump.

Imma growa, not a showa.

Most importantly, can she provide size verification, thickness and cut or uncut?

My straight brother and his friends did all kinds of sleazy things when teens. They still laugh about it. So glad I'm gay and not on the constant hunt for the vagine.

[quote]She engaged Debra Katz, a Washington lawyer known for her work on sexual harassment cases. On the advice of Katz, who believed Ford would be attacked as a liar if she came forward, Ford took a polygraph test administered by a former FBI agent in early August. The results, which Katz provided to The Post, concluded that Ford was being truthful when she said a statement summarizing her allegations was accurate.

The FBI itself should conduct a lie detector test. Tell everyone the results.

"Accused of" does not equal "revealed to be". And definitely not "guilty of"

[quote]All Red State Dems have cover to vote no. Even Heidi. She has not embraced Dump. She is in a very red state

The Kochs have withheld support for her challenger, so she's in a decent position.

So he’s dishonest, shifty, bad with money, a gambler, a republican stooge, and a pervert.

Is that not enough to stop this guy?

He makes the ambulance chasers look decent.

Roy Moore called.

Todd Aiken is on line two.

And Washington Post alerting Senate Republicans intend to press ahead.

[quote] At the time, Ford said, she knew Kavanaugh and Judge as “friendly acquaintances” in the private-school social circles of suburban Maryland. Her Holton-Arms friends mostly hung out with boys from the Landon School, she said, but for a period of several months socialized regularly with students from Georgetown Prep.

[quote] Ford said she does not remember how the gathering came together the night of the incident. She said she often spent time in the summer at the Columbia Country Club pool in Chevy Chase, where in those pre-cellphone days, teenagers learned about gatherings via word of mouth. She also doesn’t recall who owned the house or how she got there.

Holton Arms School. Chevy Chase country club. As someone here predicted.

R99 SPARE me. Her story, originally, was that he attempted to hold her down. Now he molested her?

This is a distraction. It's Clarence Thomas all over again. How'd that work out?

Republicans and conservatives generally DO NOT CARE. He could have raped a baby with a pitchfork. He's pro-life and fits their ideological agenda. This is wasted time. This only gets Drumpf's fanbase up in arms. It does not help us.

They press ahead and even more women vote in November.

They at least need a full investigation from an outside party.

R116, it's doesn't get the cult voting in greater numbers is he's confirmed. It gets Dems voting in greater numbers if he's confirmed.

Kavanaugh was educated by priests.

What other result could one expect?

Non political people need to speaking out about this.

Looking at you Hollywood.

The average person needs to be aware of what the republicans aka criminal thugs are trying to do here.

There is far more than enough to stop him. This woman, who took a polygraph test and passed AND mentioned the exact incident in 2012 with her therapist, is very very credible. Now, this is not a simple accusation. There is enough evidence to stop him. They have other nominees. He should be toast. No more Clarence T's on the bench.

#nomorepervs

[quote]Her story, originally, was that he attempted to hold her down. Now he molested her?

I'm sorry, but does lying often work on the other forums you frequent?

R104, you are completely wrong on Heitkamp. She's been embracing Trump in her own ads. She won the last election by a very small margin while the Republican senator won by double digits. Her campaign is widely viewed as being in trouble. And Machin broke ranks on Kavanaugh and said he didnt want to delay a vote. Best case for both is the nomination gets pulled.

R121, Hollywood might not great. Middle Americans aren't fans of celebrities being political.

That said, I'm not sure who else could be influential. Maybec some former presidents. Maybe white sports figures. Neither is possible.

I bet the repubs still push him thru

R124, just block the cult member.

More women have to come forward. I

Only creepy guys parade their sprogs out in public before confurmation.

Unfortunately, R99, if other women don't come forward that is exactly how it's going to be viewed. A horny teen male who hadn't yet learned how to manage his pent-up sexual frustration and not let it turn into aggression. Of course, he's an a-hole but the question is will women come forward to reveal that he repeated this behavior? It's possible that he didn't.

If he was a teenager in today's time his actions would be judged much differently because it is only VERY recently that we are coming to the idea that females should be valued just as much as males. But in Kavanaugh's teen years he was operating under the society's view that he was a superior being. I don't think what R107 says is an uncommon reality.

Some troll on here is on a one man mission to minimize this.

Good luck!

r125 You are not telling us anything we didn't know about Heidi. Of course she will emphasize where she supports Dumps policies. She was always going to be in a huge fight for reelection in deep red ND. Yet, she is very close in polls. It is a small state and she knows how to campaign.

Women would be influential. An uprising of women from every state in the union.

After the women's march in D.C., the day after Pee Brain's inauguration, there are good current networks connecting activist women. We saw them being escorted out of his interview with the Judiciary Committee. Now we need more. A lot more. They could make this an issue with the women voters from coast to coast.

Blasey Ford better be attractive.

I'd prefer a discreet, private session with Mr. Kavanaugh to test such an accusation. If he's totally rigid, disinterested, and inattentive, then he's at fault. Guilty! But, If he shows the passion I demand, ravishes me, talks aggressively naughty, and spreads his seed into my lustful, inviting crevice, then he may be gentleman caller material and thus, assuredly confirmable.

Centrist Republican opinion piece.

Yes, she does know how to campaign that will probably include a vote for Kavanaugh. She's actually behind in the polls.

R124 Bit me. That article was linked on DL.

Yes, block everyone who points out the pointlessness of going down this road, instead of focusing on his unwillingness to answer questions. This will not hurt him with conservatives. It won't. whether you want to believe that or not. You're the same folks who said Drumpf would be in jail the first month of his Presidency. Lots of people on DL do not understand how politics works, not at all.

Could this get more women out to vote ? Yes, hopefully. But it will not keep him off the SCOTUS.

This woman is brave. I was sexually assaulted in college and if it ever came to where my assailants were thrust into the public eye, I don't know what I'd do.

The same q's that hit me then would be asked today. Did you get hard? Why didn't you scream? Why didn't you fight back?

R138, you're still lying. The woman's story has not changed, no matter how much you try to muddy the water. As for your other recommendation, that's just bullshit. If this won't hurt him with conservatives, then claiming he's been evasive won't do anything, either.

[quote]Lots of people on DL do not understand how politics works, not at all.

Clearly, that includes you.

If she'd been brave she would have come forward when George W was putting him on the federal bench. She's a day late and a dollar short.

R140, just block him.

R138 is posting from 1986.

Ah, so we're going from lies to personal attacks, I see, R141. You need help. Badly.

Scary to see the Brett defenders. We have been infested lately. The Gay conservatives have found us thread was deleted. It got crazy in there.

She is 100% credible. I'm looking at you, Senators Flake and Corker, to finally grow a spine and vote NO or say you will.

News stories are revealing contradictory info. Her therapist's notes show that she never mentioned Kavanaugh by name. And she said then that 4 boys were involved. She's saying now that this was her therapist's mistake.

Her story is not going to stick. The changes in the story make it suspect.

None of this matters

Nothing matters anymore.

On and on it goes.

R145 No one here is defending him. NO ONE. you just want to delude yourself. This is going to derail the opposition and help him. Who knows, maybe that was her plan.

r146 No it doesn't. Unless she went back in a time machine to tell her therapist about an assault by Brett. She passed a polygraph. The 4 boys vs 2 was about who was at the party. It is a minor discrepancy that has no bearing on the overall accusation.

R141 what would be the point? It hasn't been even a full year since we as a society have deemed it acceptable for women to tell these stories.

If CBS could get away with keeping Les Moonves in place it would.

If there end up being no legal charges filed, they might.

Did you all go to high school at a monks retreat in the Himalayas at the time this allegedly occurred? This kind of keg-infused horseplay was common at house parties in high schools in the 70s & 80s. And it was enjoyed by both sexes. Truth. To insist otherwise is just disingenuous and partisan. Was hoping we would be above that and could at least be honest. Of course it wouldn’t fly today, but in that era societal mores were different. We might as well hang someone for smoking a cigarette in 1986. It’s a slippery slope.

Trolls are bumping anything but this topic up -so this topic won't be seen.

R152 holding your hand over someone's mouth, pinning them to a bed and then trying to assault them was not "horseplay", R152.

Ummm getting pinned down and groped is not the same as doing keg stands at a high school keg party.

This is #1 trending on twitter. He’s going down.

What happens if they don't delay the vote, he gets confirmed and then more women come forward? Can they cancel the nomination?

r152 I don't think so but suppose you are 100% correct. HE STILL DOESN'T BELONG ON THE SC BECAUSE OF THIS! A seat on that court is sacred or should be. Brett behaved badly in the 80's and all he got was a cushy federal judgeship. Womp Womp. This should disqualify him for the SC. End of!

Re Anita Hill.

As I recall the testimony, Anita Hill never said Clarence Thomas ever touched her.

[quote]This is #1 trending on twitter. He’s going down.

Sure, Jan.

This will be a great Dem ad aimed at suburban women - a picture of Roy Moore next to BK.

[quote]R145 No one here is defending him. NO ONE. you just want to delude yourself.

No, but you sure are attacking her.

[quote]This is going to derail the opposition and help him. Who knows, maybe that was her plan.

Q.E.D. No, this isn't going to "derail the opposition and help him." That's ludicrously stupid, as are the rest of your posts on this thread, which is why you've had to lie, evade, and change the subject rather than actually engage with what people here say.

r162 Thank you, sir! His posts are tedious and odious.

[quote]This kind of keg-infused horseplay was common at house parties in high schools in the 70s & 80s.

I went to high school and college in the 70s and 80s. You're full of shit. This wasn't horseplay; this was sexual assault and attempted rape. To insist otherwise is just disingenuous and partisan. Was hoping we would be above and could at least be honest.

Well, actually, no. I wasn't really hoping for, nor expecting, honesty from the woman's detractors.

R149 Polygraphs are inadmissible in most courts now because they're unreliable. And she did say it was 4 guys who attacked her in her therapists notes. That's not a small discrepancy. Plus, she did not name Kavanaugh.

Thank you , r163, but it's not like you need my help to point that out, so I'll take the advice given upthread and move on from the obvious troll.

Lol it’s on every channel right now. CNN, MSNBC covering this live.

Rightwing propaganda sites are claiming she’s a “far left professor” and resorting to the old “why is she only coming forward now” line of argument.

Viz:

How is this troll not FFed by now.

She was so sweet and innocent.

This thug is a monster. Even for repugs, this is low.

Shut the fuck up R81, you moron.

I love how the idiotic blog poster linked in r168 just blindly asserts that without any supporting evidence. As though the fact that she's a university professor or is in Palo Alto automatically makes those things true without the necessity to actually come up with some real evidence.

CNN: these are earth shattering revelations

Brett is a sociopath. He is also a profuse liar. He is a scumbag. Where is that grease fire he needs to die in?

I think she may have told friends at the time of attack.

I’ll bet cash that he doesn’t make it through.

There’s no way on this environment that he gets through.

But they’re going to sure try it so keep fighting!!!

This is AMERICA after all. We decide.

If he did it once, then he did it again. I bet there are other women from his college days that have similar stories. We'll see if any more come forward.

Clinging to this shows that the Republicans know how badly the next elections will end for them. They will do anything to get ideological control of that Court. There's very little that could make them let it go. I doubt this will, not if they've already rushed out a statement saying they intend to proceed.

Maybe, maybe it crumbles during the Senate confirmation process. It really depends how strong the backlash.

His nomination is over. He’s toxic. He’ll withdraw by the end of the week.

Get on your social media and drive a stake into these vampires.

I thought the Orange Menace wanted to "clean the swamp". WRONG.

Who gives a shit if she's telling the truth, I'm glad to see Democrats playing hardball for once. Take the mofo down.

This thread is going strong staying at the top of DL even thought the mundane troll is on a mega tear.

Hillary didn’t do any of the things they claimed. But this guy did.

Smh

She told her husband about the incident 13 years ago, and talked to a therapist about the incident years ago. This isn't something she just made up to hurt him.

Ah, the rapist here think putting his hand over the mouth of a struggling victim, is just standard fair for straight sex.

That’s just a regular Tuesday to them.

The pictures of the woman at the age of the incident are heartbreaking. She’s a tiny little girl. How is this guy even showing his face in public?

Aren’t any republicans fathers?

They are sick and depraved and this proves it.

Is he indicating his dick size with his fingers in that photo? Watching him answer questions, he seemed like someone's kinda-smart but befuddled Dad. Not Supremes material. And now he's been outed as a rutting, sex-crazed PIG. He's finished. He's DEAD to me.

So they had 20 investigations into Hillary but they can’t do ONE investigation on this guy?

Not even one?

Call your senators already and tell them they are accomplices to this atrocity.

Here’s Mark Judge, Kavanaugh’s corroborating witness. He wrote a memoir which includes recollections about what drunks they both were in prep school.

So, a serial sexual predator has nominated a man who is credibly accused of attempted rape to be the key vote to strip women of reproductive freedom. Seems like Democrats could spin that into something.

The writing was on the wall when a two term elected sitting President wasn't allowed to choose a Scotus pick. We now have a despot under investigation who chooses the worst candidates, and they all sail through no problemo. What happened to America?

The hand over the mouth is what makes him a sociopath

The Republicans are into electing thugs, criminals and now a beast.

McConnell told Trump not to nominate Kavanaugh, as usual, Trump did not listen to good advice. Republicans are ready to give the Senate over to Democrats.

He got on top of her and tried to rip off her bathing suit while covering her mouth.

Mitch tried to warn them not to pick this guy.

R195, planning to do this in advance with the help of a friend is not a good look either.

This story is absolutely BLOWING UP even though there’s a hurricane going on.

Keep it up!

It was premeditated?

How much worse is this going to get?

This country needs a FULL investigation before any further actions.

I haven't seen a story to indicate it was premeditated.

[quote][R149] Polygraphs are inadmissible in most courts now because they're unreliable. And she did say it was 4 guys who attacked her in her therapists notes. That's not a small discrepancy. Plus, she did not name Kavanaugh.

You didn't read the full article, did you?

[quote]In an interview, her husband, Russell Ford, said that in the 2012 sessions, she recounted being trapped in a room with two drunken boys, one of whom pinned her to a bed, molested her and prevented her from screaming. He said he recalled that his wife used Kavanaugh’s last name and voiced concern that Kavanaugh — then a federal judge — might one day be nominated to the Supreme Court.

Brett's bloated ass is dead in the water!!!

Maybe HE should take a lie detector test now

What's the backstory on Mr. Turtle telling Agent Orange not to nominate him?

His collapse is almost complete.

I doubt the whole "planned" thing since I haven't seen any article on it and since the Post reported that Ford said that both Kavanaugh and his friend were "stumbling drunk."

There will be more women coming forward from his college days.

Guys that are violent during sex don't ever change.

I’ve been drunk a lot of times and I never held anyone down or tried to rip of their clothes or cover their mouth.

You know what bothers me the most? Not one Republican will stand up for what is right.

By the way, the dodo heads need to know that Americans want legal abortion. We have always wanted it and that won't change.

McConnell was apparently concerned about Kavanaugh's paper trail, not about his character.

[quote]The volume of papers Kavanaugh has produced over the years reportedly reaches into the millions. McConnell, sources told the Times, advised Trump that Democrats could seize on Kavanaugh's lengthy paper trail as a way to delay his confirmation vote until after November's midterm elections.

Of course, Republicans handled that by simply denying everyone access to that paper trail.

Really Susan? Heidi? Lisa?

Really?

Trump fucked anything with a pussy and this is going to change anything? Yeah, right.

You think the GOP cares what another female college professor says? They didn’t care about Anita Hill, they won’t care about this other professor, either

Most importantly, can Avenatti spin this into another round of the cable channels? Or is that a redundant question?

Call him Bob: Dead in the water.

I am 54 and attended a prep school during that era and yes he looks EXACTLY like the handsome preppy deusche-bros I knew. I believe every word of the accuser....however after reading how Kavanaugh and the other guy lived their uber-Republican lives I REALLY believe every word.

Oh, and I am would bet she is not his only victim.

According to the Washington Post story, the two teenagers, Kavanaugh and Judge, worked together: they corralled her in a room, and while Judge watched, Kanavaugh jumped on top of her and tried to pull her clothes off. They were working together, which requires at least a bit of planning.

Amen, R210. One earlier poster wrote that this was common for the times. Um, I'm around Kavanaugh's age, and I can definitively say this was NOT common. If what this woman says is true, and I do believe her, forcing himself on her, trying to take her clothes off against her protests, and trying to cover her mouth so she couldn't scream is flat out a sexual assault. I know women who suffered similar sexual assaults and were traumatized by this. One of my friends suffered for years before she finally dealt with it through therapy. She was finally able to happily marry in her mid-40s, but not after years of not trusting men.

Flush this turd now!

I'm not sure if it was common but I don't think it was rare.

R182 Yes, Dems need to study how the Repubs outcry when Dems do something they don't like and copy them. They need to make some big-voiced, full-throttled noise and claim outrage they way folks like "family-values" Lindsay Graham and others have utilized over the years.

Where did the GOP find 65 women to stand up and defend Cavanagh, via a signed letter, practically on the day when the NY story broke? Reminds me of how quickly they came up with The Patriot Act after 9/11.

One qualification to what people are saying: he may well have been a preppy douche-bro, but to judge from his freshman facebook picture from Yale, which was likely taken in "82 or '83, but he was not a *handsome* preppy douche-bro. Unless you like the doughy pasty white-bread type.

yeah, a kid at an all boy high school knows 65 women.

He is such a smug entitled cunt. Obviously has been one all his life.

Of course the Republicans would nominate a shady, compromised-to-the-neck, asshole. They can't have another Souter in the Court, right?

The Repugs knew this and hid it. That is how they got all those 65 woman to vouch for him so quickly. Disgusting, amoral, party. All of them are evil to the core.

The GOP is now a party of pedophiles, rapists, racists, and criminals. And they seem to be very comfortable with that.

We need to remind voters of this everyday.

bumping

[quote]...is it a one of drunken stupid horny teen - not acceptable but is it enough to derail? - or is there a pattern?

Even if it isn't a pattern, there are tens of millions of men who were at one time teenage males who managed to get through their whole lives without holding down, forcibly silencing, and groping a woman while trying to rip off her clothes and rape her while a friend watched. Where are those men's voices in all of this? Don't they have daughters?

I'm glad women are fighting this with everything they have and that, hopefully, the female senators will end this but it would be a whole lot easier if all the men who are sick of seeing their sex act like this and, thereby, having their own collective reputation sullied by these assholes would step up and help. Women still have to fight to be listened to whereas a whole lot of the world goes silent to listen to every whisper straight white men make. If they felt like it, they could change the acceptance of this behavior amongst their peers. I'm not sure what the tipping point is but, so far, Clarence Thomas, Roy Moore, Harvey Weinstein, Les Moonves, Kavanaugh, etc. haven't been enough. The Repug men in power are despicable troglodytes that death will soon take care of but all men need to step up more than they've so far done or this is going to take another 50 years to rid us of these shit human beings and their 'boys will be boys' behavior.

Sick of it all. Rant over.

Oh, NOW DL cares about #MeToo. LMFAO.

I’m guessing he’ll be out by tomorrow.

They need time to get another crook before the election.

[quote] Maybe HE should take a lie detector test now

You know those things aren’t real, right?

[quote] I’m guessing he’ll be out by tomorrow.

Uh, he’ll be sworn in in no time. Get out of your echo chamber.

I'm not defending the practice whatsoever, but I just want to point out to the posters saying that this behavior wasn't a sign of the times. It very much was. I take it none of you remember the 80s coming of age comedies. They glorified rape culture. It may not have happed to YOU, personally, but the poster upthread who said it existed was correct. Again, I'm not saying it's right so don't jump all over my ass for just pointing out its existence.

I think I'm available as a Supreme Court Nominee

R235, our "echo chamber" is the real world. Yours seems to be a bunch of white nationalists, ugly perverted Repug Senators, and their criminally insane orange leader. Pick your echo chamber well, moron.

Turn on the t.v., toots.

Any guesses as to the next ghoul they’ll put up?

I’m sure Mitch has a Plan B.

Anyone else loving that this unraveling at the seems?

It’s almost as fun as watching what happened in Alabama.

Haha 4 Cheetos plan to get help from Brett

Oh dear, 240....

Thank you r231.

[quote]It may not have happed to YOU, personally, but the poster upthread who said it existed was correct.

He said it was "common." He was lying. It was not. Nobody is denying that it existed.

[quote]I’m guessing he’ll be out by tomorrow.

Not unless there's another accusation or Murkowski and Collins protest. The rest of the Senate Republicans have already made it clear that this is not going to bother them. As another site posted, they will "walk over broken glass" to confirm him.

Republicans are rapey.

News at 11.

If Murkowski and Collins say they will vote no if there is no delay (I know I know just humor me) then he will likely withdraw.

Now that Ford has come forward, Kavanaugh has refused to offer further comment.

I dunno, R247; I think it depends on what the women privately say they want. If they tell McConnell that they need some cover and a week-long whitewash of an investigation, he's likely to give it to them with the understanding that they will vote yes thereafter. Neither of those women has been much of a profile in courage in their tenure in the Senate, as they almost always cave.

Sex putz, perfect description.

My guess is that he knows there are other women who may come forward and he’ll withdraw to spare his family a “rigged witch hunt.”

He's a rough trade. Does he swing both ways? Asking for a friend...

Crack in the ranks... Miss Lindsay is tweet quoted by Peter Baker of MSNBC that if the woman is to be heard it should be done soon so the process can proceed.

But why hear her at all? Why open the door? What is Miss Lindsay thinkin'?

R244, it was common. It was so common that it was celebrated in the movies of the time. Something uncommon wouldn't have made it that far nor would it have been celebrated. If it were uncommon it wouldn't have been socially acceptable to celebrate it. It would have been an aberration Again, using your own life experiences isn't a good barometer for society as a whole. It's a rather narrow view of the world.

It was not common. It was not reported and people looked the other way but it was NOT common.

No, R254, it was not. Holding someone down, covering her mouth, turning up the music to cover her screams, was not common, nor was it "celebrated in the movies of the time."

R253, Miss Lindsey is just parroting the metoo movement. The metoo movement's own language is that a woman should be heard.

R256, whatever. You really need to see beyond your own life and narrow view and start watching some 80s movies.

R257, what are you referring to? Can you name some movies that celebrated raping women?

16 Candles

I not only watched those movies, I was in college through part of that decade, R257. Conspicuously absent from your silly assertions is mention of a single movie, much less a supposed huge number of movies that made such scenes "common."

R257, movies are also beside the point: rape and attempted rape have always been against the law. Someone who sits on the Supreme Court should have a strong record of respecting the law, not a mind that reduced to mush by movies.

Footage of Brett bragging about his sexual escapades with a fellow rich Republican douchebro:

Which movies show people being ok with holding women down forcibly?

Mrs. Trey MagicHair Gowdy spent millions on the fruitless Benghazi investigation. I move we spend at least half that much investigating this claim.

To anyone trivializing this: being pinned down by someone much bigger and stronger than you with his hand over your mouth is a terrifying experience.

R261, I'm not debating the morality of it. I said as much in my earlier post. I'm merely saying that rape culture was very common in the 80s and those who say no lived under a rock.

Here's even a very famous example from TV...Luke raped Laura on a dance floor and it was said he seduced her.

Even if it was heavily portrayed in movies in the '80s (which it was not), that doesn't mean any of those guys/characters should be sitting on the Supreme Court. There are more than enough people who grew up in the 80s that didn't try to rape people that are intelligent and can be judges.

R263, "16 Candles" is apparently the only one they can come up with, where the drunken, passed-out semi-evil, prom queen girlfriend is handed off to the Anthony Michael Hall character to date rape. Not quite the same thing, of course, but then they're getting desperate in trying to pretend that this was "common."

[quote]I'm merely saying that rape culture was very common in the 80s....

Yes, we know, and we're telling you that you're full of shit, which is why you're having so much trouble finding examples.

And the very fact that you're having so much trouble finding examples should be telling you that you're full of shit. But, then, the fact that you keep trying to push this story tells us a lot about you, R266, perhaps more than you realize.

[quote]“If somebody can be brought down by accusations like this, then you, me, every man certainly should be worried. We can all be accused of something.”

Nope. Not me because I was not a teenage rapist. What did you do, unnamed WH lawyer?

General Hospital may have played down the rape angle (disgusting) but Guiding Light didn't when Bradley (played by the late great character actor James Rebhorn) raped Beth.

R266, please tell me that you’re either Laura Ingraham or a troll in Novosibirsk who is getting paid for the shit that you’re producing on this thread.

“Rape was ok in the 80’s because i saw it in a movie!” The new Republican talking point.

Revenge of the nerds.

Breakfast Club (Molly Ringwald gets fingered under the table. She even wrote an essay about 80s films being problematic and called this one out in particular)

Fast Times at Ridgemont High

Animal House

No one is saying that, R272. Just that media reflected the culture. You were given 2 examples of two well-known soaps.

R268, you are dismissing the rape in that movie. How do you not understand that?

I'm not dismissing anything, R275; I'm simply pointing out that you're full of shit that this was "common". It was not. And your obvious desperation to pretend that it was would be amusing if the topic were not so consequential.

R274, they do all kinds of things in movies and TV shows that are not realistic and illegal in real life. How is that even a serious conversation?

Nobody cares about what the soap hags have to say. Seriously. Shut the fuck up.

This man is a teen rapist so he is obviously the perfect man for a lifetime appointment by the nazi party to implement their word view.

R272, I've already said that I don't think it's right upthread. I'm ONLY addressing a poster who said that it wasnt common in the 80s because s/he didn't know about it.

Are you that dense, r272, that you can't separate out the difference between thinking something is right or wrong and denying it's existence?

Are you young, R277?

It's amazing to read the posts of people who think movies and soap operas of the 1980s show that rape culture was common. I lived the teenage and college experience in the 1980s. It was not common. It happened, but it was not accepted and the only guys who pulled this shit were horrible people.

Thank you, R277 and R278. You've restored my faith in logic and reason.

[quote]Nope. Not me because I was not a teenage rapist. What did you do, unnamed WH lawyer?

Yeah, that's another of the tactics they're trying. In another forum, a commenter insisted that every single man had done something like this. And, of course, we have the people here trying to insist that this was "common" and that this was part of the culture.

They'll also be going after the accuser. The only thing holding them up now is that it takes time for that investigation. But you can expect her to be slimed from all directions.

Saturday Night Fever

R281 why do you think this MeToo# movement has been so powerful? Because a lot of women and girls were treated this way. Duh!

[quote]that you can't separate out the difference between thinking something is right or wrong and denying it's existence?

We're not denying its existence; we're denying that it was "common." You really cannot read, can you?

I weighed 100 pounds in college (110 now, thank you) and graduated in 1982. Several times when I was alone with a guy I came close to being raped. I told them they were in charge of their behavior, and I would file charges if they raped me. Each time they backed off. It happened back then, but it was not socially acceptable and they all knew it was against the law.

The person posting about Guiding Light was making the case it was not common and it was treated as the disgusting thing it was on that show.'

Rape or the behavior from BK was NOT common in the 80's. Saying it was common was to say a majority were doing things like that and that is wrong.

I watch old movies like, The Apartment and they creep me out. Why was defending abusive men such a thing?

[quote]Saturday Night Fever

No. There's a difference between presenting something as rape, which is how it was presented in Saturday Night Fever, and trying to justify it, as was done in 16 Candles. The people supporting Kavanaugh are trying to portray it as the latter, as "horseplay," rather than as sexual assault and attempted rape.

This is what an apologist said on another forum:

[quote]All men have done this. Every single one.

Unfortunately for him, he also added this:

[quote]And if they were in boy scouts, they did it to other boys in camp. If men say they did not do this, they are lying.

He was laughed off the forum and humiliated as people asked him how many boys he had raped. I wish all of our trolls were this stupid.

[quote]You were given 2 examples of two well-known soaps.

Who are we as americans to argue with 2 examples of two well-known soaps.

Yes, clearly it was common in the 1980s for women to be raped, r291. Those two examples clearly prove it. Who could possibly argue with that overwhelming evidence? And poor weak-minded Kavanaugh was clearly overwhelmed by those two examples, so he had no choice but to try to rape that woman. Nobody could possibly blame him for holding her down and covering her mouth to muffle her screams as he sexually assaulted her. Not his fault at all. Clearly.

"General Hospital Made Me A Criminal: The Brett Cavanaugh Story."

LOL @ r293. Love it!

Anyone who thinks that this is going to have any impact on his confirmation is delusional. Republicans are fucking dirty scumbags and they are going to ram this through come hell or high water. Heck, it wouldn't surprise me if they upped the vote to tomorrow in the dark of night just to put a smile on dear Mitch's fug face.

We know that, R295. The thinking is, assuming that the story is true, that this will not be his only offense and that other women will come forward. If so, then that absolutely could impact his confirmation. If nothing else happens, then, sadly, I agree with you that this will not stop it.

Jeff Flake says not so fast, he's "not comfortable" going forward with the vote on Kavanaugh yet.

Simple tactic: bring him back before the committee and have him testify about this incident under oath.

"It was in the movies" is the new "locker room talk".

The problem is that word “common.” That’s the wrong word. Try minimized, tolerated, ignored, rationalized. Yes, the culture in the 80’s was VERY VERY VERY different. I grew up in the 80’s (woman). I was a total whore, swimming in drugs (lsd, coke, shrooms, pot 10 x’s per day etc.). I ran with a very wild crowd, gay and straight intermixed. I ran with some shady characters, my first true love was a massive drug dealer who had run away from a federal investigation into the meth ring he was in in Palm Springs. I fell in love with him over a pile of cocaine.

Last but not least, we need to activate women in AZ and TN. Pressure pressure pressure pressure. Squeeze!!!!

Here’s my point: I ran with seedy, colorful, scary criminals and delightful artists. Hedonists. And I can tell you right now that if any man had ever assaulted me, my boyfriend might have waited 6 months to fool the cops, but he would have for sure killed him — and yes, I mean literally. I had many many lesbian friends, one of them was kidnapped and raped (before I knew her), her brother and cousins tracked down her stalker/rapist and murdered him (I don’t even remember the names).

So yes, society at large valued women less, and yes, rape was too often excused. But the flip side is men were much more caveman-ish toward their women/property, and definitely they would consider killing a man who raped their woman. Sooooooo......it was still taboo and most certainly not “common.” Find more specific adjectives.

I will also add that the general debauchery of the 80’s fueled more sexual assaults. People partied pretty flipping hard, the best comparison might be the 20’s. Being “stupified” drunk was considered light FM, I got drunk all the time but only ran with people who did a lot of drugs too, drinking seemed lightweight back then. People were really wild and out of control, I believe it made it even easier for predators. Times have changed for the better, but we have much further to go.

“Last but not least” was supposed to be last lol

Boys will be boys? Really? Wonder how the wife is taking this news.

R42 I blocked that troll r35 on another thread and now it's [ troll 5298 ]

Grassley says he is going to call them both on the phone. Incredible asshole if he thinks that will pass with women.

If you haven't read the letter she wrote to Senator Feinsstein, you should.

If Grassley were serious, he'd put them both under oath and have two separate hearings. Since he's not serious, he'll play games and hope that this passes over.

R304, that's nonsense, that's not going to pass with anyone. The whole country is going to want to see and hear this woman.

[quote]"It was in the movies" is the new "locker room talk

I’m sticking with General Hospital made me a rapist.

[quote]Jeff Flake says not so fast, he's "not comfortable" going forward with the vote on Kavanaugh yet.

He may give lip service to "not being comfortable" with it, but big fucking deal. He'll vote yes on his confirmation... just wait and see.

The Senatrice is....open.

Gee, I can't believe The Senatrice had time to come up from deep throating Mconnell to issue a statement.

The way that this should move forward is for the State's Attorney for Montgomery County, Maryland -- where the [alleged] crime occurred -- should open up a criminal investigation immediately. There is no statute of limitations in Maryland for felony sexual assault. Grassley and the Judiciary Committee are not equipped to deal with this. The prosecutor's office is. He should take control of this investigation. That alone will shut down the confirmation process until he issues his findings or files an indictment against Judge Brett. There is absolutely no way will they vote to confirm a Justice of the Supreme Court who is under active criminal investigation for felony sexual abuse.

Kavanaugh was a juvenile at the time. Wouldn’t that affect any legal procedures?

It hardly matters. It would legitimately pre empt the proceedings.

The republicans would be doing it right now if it was a democratic nominee.

I'm not saying that "it's in the movies" is the new "locker room" talk, r299, and I'm not saying that General Hospital is a defense for anything r307. If you read all the posts mthen ylu would know that.

For the umpteenth time, I'm addressing a poster upthread who said that the 80s rape culture was not common because she didn't have anything happen to her.  That's the dumbest way to look at anything.

Rape culture was /is so common that it sparked the metoo movement.   Apparently that fact escaped her and a few other posters here.

In trying to reason with her, it was pointed out that that it was so common that it made its way into pop culture in the 80s,  and movies were given as examples as to not only how prevalent it was/is but that at one point it was even glorified.  But really anything from that time (or anytime pre-metoo could be used (TV:  Luke raping Laura, JR raping SueEllen, Spike attempting to rape Buffy.  Even music:  Summer night's from Grease, Tonight's the Night, Rape Me, And he hit me (and it felt like a kiss).

It's one thing to say that what he did was wrong, and it was, no matter when.  It's dishonest to say that rape culture wasn't common.  And the other poster is right, it was also tolerated.

H

Politico now saying Corker urging the vote be delayed. In the Flake story.

R312, I believe that this would go to the type of punishment imposed, but it would not affect the statute of limitations.

[quote]For the umpteenth time, I'm addressing a poster upthread who said that the 80s rape culture was not common because she didn't have anything happen to her. That's the dumbest way to look at anything.

Now if only someone on this thread had said that, you might have a point. They didn't, and you don't.

Your assertions have been ridiculous and your attempts to defend them even more so. You got nothing. Just give up and move on because each new post demonstrates that you're a fool.

So we have it settled- rape or the attempts at rape were not common back then. Only the very deranged, immoral attempted to rape or raped back then. It was ignored and not seen as a big deal to many but it was not common.

Brett is a sociopathic monster way before he tried to rape Mrs. Ford and way after.

He could have been a juvenile at the time of the crime and still charged as adult. That should not affect the statute of limitations.

So THIS is why they were being all hush hush with his paper trail?

Or is there more to come out?

Not quite, R320. The paper trial they are trying to hide is what happened in the Bush White House.

Susan Collins: Profile in Courage:

R322 Sounds like how Trump played the Porter and Moore allegations. "Well I spoke to him and he denied it soo... Case closed."

Really, r317? What the fuck do you think this means? It would hlep if you read all the posts before saying something didn't happen when it did.

[quote]Amen, [R210]. One earlier poster wrote that this was common for the times. Um, I'm around Kavanaugh's age, and I can definitively say this was NOT common.

And metoo took off because it was...so uncommon?

SHE WOULD NOT EVEN LOOK AT THE CAMERA.

SHE CAN NOT GET AWAY WITH THIS.

What kind of goodies does the senator from Maine get for selling out this girl?

LOL.... R324, is reading comprehension always this much trouble for you? This is what that other post wrote:

[quote]One earlier poster wrote that this was common for the times. Um, I'm around Kavanaugh's age, and I can definitively say this was NOT common.

Here was what you wrote:

[quote]For the umpteenth time, I'm addressing a poster upthread who said that the 80s rape culture was not common because she didn't have anything happen to her. That's the dumbest way to look at anything.

a) you have no idea whether that poster was a woman or not.

b) your paraphrase is not only inaccurate, it's stupid. "Because she didn't have anything happen to her" exists only in your own fevered imagination, much like your stupid claim that this was "common," an assertion that you [italic]still[/italic] cannot support, since all you've been able to come up with is a couple of movies and a couple of scenes from soap operas.

Just stop. Better to be thought a fool than to continue to post here and prove it.

I’m willing to take bets that before this month is out Kavanaugh will withdraw his nomination - “for the good of the country and the court.”

Republicans are losing suburban women in droves. They do not want to vote against another (albeit white) Anita Hill, in a #MeToo environment, four weeks before an election.

After he withdraws, they can all cluck their tongues and bemoan the poisonous political environment that causes good men to forgo service to the country.

So the r327 since you think you know everything what does being Kavanaugh's age have to do with he or she knowing DEFINITELY that it wasn't common?

It's amazing just how much that idiot is obsessed with rape.

[quote]I'm not defending the practice whatsoever, but I just want to point out to the posters saying that this behavior wasn't a sign of the times. It very much was. I take it none of you remember the 80s coming of age comedies. They glorified rape culture.

I remember the 80s, too, and those movies. No, they didn't.

[quote]It may not have happed to YOU, personally, but the poster upthread who said it existed was correct. Again, I'm not saying it's right so don't jump all over my ass for just pointing out its existence.

And yet neither of you has the evidence to back that up.

[quote]R244, it was common. It was so common that it was celebrated in the movies of the time.

Except that, of course, it wasn't.

[quote]If it were uncommon it wouldn't have been socially acceptable to celebrate it. It would have been an aberration

Duh. Of course it was an aberration, which is why you haven't been able to come up with anything.

[quote]Again, using your own life experiences isn't a good barometer for society as a whole. It's a rather narrow view of the world.

LOL.... Like you've been doing this entire thread?

[quote]R256, whatever. You really need to see beyond your own life and narrow view and start watching some 80s movies.

I did. You're wrong.

[quote]R261, I'm not debating the morality of it. I said as much in my earlier post. I'm merely saying that rape culture was very common in the 80s and those who say no lived under a rock.

And yet you cannot support this assertion.

[quote]R272, I've already said that I don't think it's right upthread. I'm ONLY addressing a poster who said that it wasnt common in the 80s because s/he didn't know about it.

Which isn't what was said.

[quote]For the umpteenth time, I'm addressing a poster upthread who said that the 80s rape culture was not common because she didn't have anything happen to her. That's the dumbest way to look at anything.

Making shit up does not make for a compelling argument.

[quote]In trying to reason with her, it was pointed out that that it was so common that it made its way into pop culture in the 80s, and movies were given as examples as to not only how prevalent it was/is but that at one point it was even glorified.

And yet you weren't able to actually defend that stupid assertion.

[quote]It's one thing to say that what he did was wrong, and it was, no matter when. It's dishonest to say that rape culture wasn't common.

And yet, you still can't demonstrate that it was.

[quote]Really, r317? What the fuck do you think this means? It would hlep if you read all the posts before saying something didn't happen when it did.

LOL.... Oh, the irony, given that you misquoted that prior poster.

[quote]So the R327 since you think you know everything what does being Kavanaugh's age have to do with he or she knowing DEFINITELY that it wasn't common?

Moron, it means that the individual lived through those times and knows that you're full of shit when you're pretending that "rape culture" was "pervasive," "common," and "glorified" in those times.

Next stupid statement?

[quote]Republicans are losing suburban women in droves

I don’t think this needs to drag on long to further antagonize women voters. The moves by the end of tomorrow should alienate many.

So, R330, most of those are responses to posters like you if not all responses to you.

So, r331, that's not an answer. And if you are saying it'stbecuase the person lived those those times then you are saying it is the person's experience. So that makes you definitively full of shit..

I was a teen in the seventies and eighties. I am a woman. I don’t think there was a rape culture. But there was a lot of victim blaming and shaming. That’s why women often did not report rape. Near rapes, in my experience, were almost never reported as women knew nothing would happen to the perpetrator.

And that somehow excuses your obsession with rape, R333?

[quote]then you are saying it is the person's experience

Just like it's your "experience" that "rape culture" was "pervasive," "common," and "glorified" in those times?

And yes, it is an answer. You are being challenged on your silly assertion. That then behooves you to put up or shut up. Thus far, your response has been to lie, evade, and attack, mostly because you know very well that you cannot defend any of this shit.

R335, this thread is about an attempted rape in the 80s. Talking rape here in the 80s fits the topic. You would have a point if this were about pasta draining, but since it's not then the obsession about what's being posted is all yours.

“We need to talk about rape culture…”

NOT ALL MEN!

“What this particular man did was sexual assault and unacceptable…”

ALL MEN DO IT!

Susan was dying on the inside.

[quote]I’m willing to take bets that before this month is out Kavanaugh will withdraw his nomination - “for the good of the country and the court.”

Like Clarence Thomas?

R314 thanks for trying to reach some of our more sheltered DL posters. I gave up.

Nice evasion, R336. Still waiting for you to back up all of those silly assertions about how "common," "pervasive," and "glorified" rape was in the 1980s.

Free clue: coming up with a list of less than 0.2% of the movies of the 1980s [italic]really[/italic] doesn't cut it, particularly since none of them "glorified" it.

You got caught saying something genuinely stupid and you've been trying to cover ever since. It ain't working.

July 30 2018

CONFIDENTIAL

Senator Dianne Feinstein

Dear Senator Feinstein;

I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current nominee to the Supreme Court.

As a constituent, I expect that you will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity to speak.

Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the assistance of REDACTED.

Both were one to two years older than me and students at a local private school.

The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a gathering that included me and four others.

Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a bathroom up a short stair well from the living room. They locked the door and played loud music precluding any successful attempt to yell for help.

Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with REDACTED, who periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state. With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth I feared he may inadvertently kill me.

From across the room a very drunken REDACTED said mixed words to Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop."

At one point when REDACTED jumped onto the bed the weight on me was substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other. After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the bathroom door behind me. Both loudly stumbled down the stair well at which point other persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom, ran outside of the house and went home.

I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see REDACTED once at the REDACTED where he was extremely uncomfortable seeing me.

I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6 I notified my local government representative to ask them how to proceed with sharing this information . It is upsetting to discuss sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything.

I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am currently REDACTED and will be in REDACTED.

In confidence, REDACTED

I got raped in the 70s. Not sure if the helps anyone's case.

R334 the shaming/blaming *is* rape culture.

Good, R340, then maybe we can have a serious conversation without idiots like you trying to pretend that this was "common," as though it somehow excused Kavanaugh's behavior.

^THAT helps

I think R345 is a troll. No one can be that dense.

And no one is trying to excuse Kavanaugh's behavior.

But if rape culture wasn't common, then the MeToo# movement wouldn't exist.

[quote]No one can be that dense.

Oh, the irony....

So much for "I gave up." Still trying to defend the indefensible, I see, and still not being able to provide even one shred of actual evidence.

[quote]And no one is trying to excuse Kavanaugh's behavior.

Then why bring it up? Of what relevance is it to this conversation?

Terrible that the likes of you are claiming to be an ally.

Susan is going to drink straight gin tonight in hopes of getting a couple hours of sleep.

Yes, because excusing Kavanaugh's behavior because it was "common," "pervasive," and "glorified" makes you such a terrific ally, R350.

Definitely a troll.

Says the person who has been trying to pretend that Kavanaugh's behavior was "common."

You're just trying to derail this thread.

r347, I think you're right about it being a troll. I think it may be a well known one here -- the cupcake/quoteqween troll.

[quote]You're just trying to derail this thread.

Says the person who has been obsessively pretending that Kavanaugh's behavior was "common."

Moving on from the troll.

Committee chairman Chuck Grassley is working to set up separate phone calls with Kavanaugh and Ford before the vote. So It looks like they are pushing for this soon.

Translation: I can't defend my silly assertions so I'll pretend I didn't say them.

Yeah, we saw that in R304, R358.

I'm surprised, being the giant fucking asshole that he is, that Grassley doesn't just suggest they all get together in a room to talk it out. Play a little music...

These fucking men just do not get it.

R342 is the thread.

Just block the cat fight trolls

R358, that has to continue to be Grassley's line, but how can that work? He can't come out and say, "I've talked to her and she's just not credible. It must have been a youthful misunderstanding. Just trust my judgment." People are going to expect to hear sworn testimony from both of them.

You underestimate the ability of Senate Republicans to wish away obstacles, R363. We'll see, though. I think they're waiting to see if this has legs and if they really do need to do something. If it blows over, they'll do what Susan Collins just did and say that they believe Kavanaush.

But that doesn’t mean rape was pervasive, r344. Surely this woman, as a teen, didn’t expect she would be subjected to a near rape at a small party.

Any particular reason she wrote to Feinstein rather than Harris? I know she contacted Eshoo (shout-out to Eschoo—she represented me when I was in grad school!)—did Eshoo recommend getting in touch specifically with Feinstein?

As expected, Republicans are going on the attack.

[quote]Committee chairman Chuck Grassley is working to set up separate phone calls with Kavanaugh and Ford before the vote. So It looks like they are pushing for this soon.

What will he gain from these two conversations? She's already given a statement and so did Kavanaugh.

Good thing she donated to Sanders and not Clinton, R367. Otherwise, FauxNews would say that the Clintons were behind this.

Did you see the amounts? Talk about petty attacks.

Sex putz Kavanaugh needs to withdraw his SCOTUS nomination and resign his judgeship on the DC Circuit Court of Appeals.

This is the time for Flake, Corker, Sasse, Murkowski and Collins to FINALLY step up and just say NO. They can still get their right wing fucking nut case SC justice just not this one.

If either LM or SC support moving forward this week, they should never again be referred to as the "sensible, moderate" Repugs.

What elected Repug has ANY decency or integrity?

Well - - - maybe her therapist gave money to Clinton

The Dems on the committee only have to keep pushing one line...

She passed a lie detector test. Will Kavanaugh take a lie detector test?

In fact, that's the only thing Grassley needs to ask in his awesome phone call. "Hey Brett. You'll take a lie detector test, too, right? Right?" Uh huh.

[quote] Any particular reason she wrote to Feinstein rather than Harris?

Feinstein is the ranking member of the Judiciary Committee, so that is likely why it went to DiFi and not Senator Harris. Prof. Ford also knew that addressing the letter to Grassley as chair of the committee would have been as productive as throwing it in the trash.

I'd also add the comment that we need to bring both of them back to testify under oath, R374.

Kavanaugh’s more forcible behavior was not glorified in 80s movie culture. He would have been the villain of the movie. He was most akin to Biff Tannen.

But Biff Tannen wasn’t arrested for trying to rape Lorraine. It was treated as an ugly moment. The movie completely glossed over the incident, because decades later, there he was in the McFlys driveway, now the low level employee of Marty’s dad. So even a rather forcible attempt of rape was downplayed in terms of long-lasting effects on the victim.

Sexual assault was presented as boys will be boys harmless horseplay — or appropriate payback - in the 80s. Revenge of the Nerds was the worst offender of this. As payback for being stood up (a shitty thing to do, but nowhere near illegal), the nerds installed cameras in the sorority’s bathroom and private bedroom so that they could watch them naked and humiliate them like they had felt humiliated. One character pretended to be the boyfriend of another to have sex with her. Porkys was another example where the boys drilled a hole into the girls’ restroom — all played for laughs. The lack of consent in Sixteen Candles where a drunk girl was passed off to the nerdy character. Breakfast Club had Molly Ringwald’s character hooking up with Judd Nelson’s after he sexually assaults her by fingering her when hiding under the table. Animal House had one character whether he should rape the passed out teen ager in his bed. Sloane in Ferris Bueller’s Day Off asks Cameron if he watched her change clothes, and he smiles mischievously. In Can’t Buy Me Love, a boy tricks a girl into raising up her arms and he then gropes her breasts, laughing about it. Even Pretty in Pink had James Spader’s character get all creepy with Andi.

There definitely was a theme in the 80s that teen age boys trying to get into girls’ pants was just part of growing up. It was to be expected. It was no big deal. So, to that extent, there was a rape culture.

And teen age girls in the 80s were cognizant that there were some guys out there who got too handsy — or worse — when drunk. It wasn’t treated as big a deal, and that was part of the education and change we all went through in the 90s. From Anita Hill to Monica Lewinsky. So, in one respect, it was common. Most teen age girls from the 80s have a story to tell of the one time that something happened. But that doesn’t mean it was common that it happened every Friday night or that the majority of boys engaged in that activity. So, in that respect, it wasn’t common. A sober Kavanaugh would have known what he did would be considered wrong by others. Even discipline worthy. Though he likely didn’t think it was criminal - at least until he actually had raped her, if it had gotten to that point.

Thanks, R375.

As for this debate about rape tolerance in 1982-83, I have no contribution except that if he's doing this to her, and his buddy's in on it, you know it's not the first time he's tried this on a girl at a party or somewhere. Maybe got away with it before. Hope they all come out this week.

Everyone shut the fuck up about 80s movies, you fucking troll and troll-bator!

Back to reality...

Tim Scott, Republican Senator from South Carolina, stopped a Repug judicial nominee earlier this year by refusing to vote for him based on him having said something racist in his past. Any chance he'll have another brief flash of conscience and say he'll vote against this fucker, too, or was it only because it was a racist comment and he's a black Senator?

#metoo happened because no one believed them or their stories weren't taken seriously- until now. That is the difference. There are no good people who thought it fine to attempt to rape someone. The vast majority of people wouldn't have even had the thought cross their minds.

There wasn't a single dance I went to in high school in the 1980s where some guy didn't try to mess with at least one girl, whether it was groping or bullying or even stealing. We had our dances canceled for a while, it got so bad.

"fiendish sex putz"...hysterical

Susan Collins 'surprised' by sexual assault accusations but said 'I don't know enough to make a judgement'. Yet Dear Aunt Esmeralda .... A Flashback: Collins: Franken allegations ‘credible, disgusting and appalling’ Fry her political ass, Mainers.

Collins needs to go. I'm sick of her antics.

I love how you all think this just happened in the 80s. It happened forever, morons. The thing that changed in the 80s was that the girls stopped putting up with it and started reporting it...and they've never gone back to putting up with it. That has culminated in today's #metoo movement. Too bad they don't teach anything about women's history in schools or that timeline would have been pretty clear.

From the early 1900s era suffragettes, to the birth of the post-war feminist movement, to the sexual revolution, to the #metoo movement, there's a clear line of women standing up and saying "Enough!". Kavanaugh's victim is just the latest one.

Still trolling.

[quote]Tim Scott, Republican Senator from South Carolina, stopped a Repug judicial nominee earlier this year by refusing to vote for him based on him having said something racist in his past.

This is for the Supreme Court. No Republican is going to want to block this. McConnell will really be twisting arms on this one, particularly with the climate looking good for Democrats and a slim possibility that they can take back the Senate.

Yes, R386, you are. Free clue: before you spout off again, use the Ignored feature to see who is responding to you.

OOOH! Flake is considering not voting for him!!

Dems need Congressional control. then impeach Kavanaugh and/or add two more SCOTUS seats,

[quote] Susan Collins 'surprised' by sexual assault accusations but said 'I don't know enough to make a judgement'. Yet Dear Aunt Esmeralda .... A Flashback: Collins: Franken allegations ‘credible, disgusting and appalling’ Fry her political ass, Mainers.

Mainers should protest in front of her office tomorrow.

Not really, R389. He's mostly just saying that he wants a bit more time. It will be interesting to see if he grows a spine this time and actually follows through.

I think they've been protesting in front of her office for quite a while already. She doesn't care or can't figure out who they are due to her being drunk or mentally ill. Remember when she actually trusted McConnell during that health care vote when he told her he would bring her amendment to the floor and then she voted for the health care debacle and he said, "Oh, sorry, we don't have time for that shit!" And, she seemed just fine with being treated like that.

What does she owe the Repug party? I mean, really, there's no way Maine would vote her out for opposing this piece of shit but they might vote her out if she does vote for him. Makes no sense.

R393, she won't care until her job is actually in jeopardy. Right now, I'm skeptical that it is and, clearly, so is she.

Maybe Flake will feel empowered by the spirit of McCain who, while mostly talk, did vote against his shit party more than most of the other Repugs.

Collins is compromised somehow. What makes Murkowski vote the way she does? She has been treated badly by the Repugs. I think it is all about the oil.

Maine is a pretty Democratic state. Collins makes no sense. Murkowski won on the votes of the native Alaskans and I don't think they are particularly Repug in nature, either.

They would both win their next elections handily if they came out tomorrow, said that not only are they not voting for this piece of human excrement but that they are leaving the Repug party altogether.

This already pissed her off before the letter. A PAC is holding $1.3M to fund Collins next opponent ONLY IF she votes yes on Kavanaugh.

[quote]Mainers should protest in front of her office tomorrow.

I was thinking that. It is not like she is in Georgia, it probably would not hurt her and would probably help her with her constituents if she did actually not always vote the hard GOP line.

The only time she has ever shown any independence is the health care vote, and since then she has been progressively more timid and meek in speaking any thoughts contrary to the party line.

She completely caved on the health care vote, R399. She got nothing for her vote. McConnell embarrassed her publicly. And, yet, here she is.

That's not quite true, R400. She did vote no on three of the crucial votes.

What Collins caved on was the tax bill.

That is true anything she did for the original vote was negated by the tax bill where she allowed herself to be duped by McConnell [or more likely she knew what Mitch would do but pretended she was trying to protect health care and it was not her fault]

CNN: Kavanaugh's victim contacted the Washington Post before he was nominated.

Young Brett could definitely get it.

I daon't get why Murkowski votes Republican these days. They primaried her in the last election and she lost to the Republican choice in the primary. She won the election as a write in candidate by appealing to the Inuit community, many of whom had to learn to write just to vote for her.

If she won't declare herself a Democrat, she could easily win in Alaska as an Independent. In fact, she'd probably get more votes from the embarrassed Repugs now.

The FBI administered the lie detector in early August so somebody brought this to the authorities before it came out yesterday.

r407 Didn't she already win as an Independent? Then she changed her affiliation to Repug? She seemed to get some revenge votes after that but it has died down now. She seems smarter than to line up with these sociopaths.

Don't believe a fucking word that comes out of that lying cunt Susan Collins' mouth.

Jesus, enough with the film studies, both of you. We get it. And there are important things to discuss. None of which involve Long Duck Dong.

no, r409. she ran as a Republican in the 2010 election when she won as a write in candidate.

The Dems were smart to hold on to this until the end. If it had been brought up during Kavanaugh’s testimony, it would have been quickly skipped over and forgotten

R411

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Putting aside my liberal bias, I remember watching the nominating acceptance speeches of Garland, Gorsuch, and Kavanaugh. I was really touched by Garland's. He was so humbled and emotional. Tearing up only more over the fact that his family was the best thing to happen to him, not the nomination. Talked about his ancestors fleeing antisemitism in Europe. A nice Jewish boy.

There are Republicans who I dislike politically but still find likable. But I hated Gorsuch and Kavanaugh. They were so arrogant in their speeches, and there was something so... off... about Kavanaugh. Ironically it was Garland who was the most qualified of the 3 but the most humble in his speech.

Birds of a feather.....

[quote]The FBI administered the lie detector in early August so somebody brought this to the authorities

It was a retired FBI agent who administered the polygraph.

Diane Finstein turned it over to the authorities.

FIENDISH SEX PUTZ

I love you people.

I have no doubts that the GOP regularly threatens the lives of their "elected" representatives with blackmail setups and actual death. They've got Russian hackers on the payroll who can plant child porn on any of their computers, shady financial schemes the republicons entered into greedily thinking they had the cover of a web of shell companies, whatever gross orgies happen in those DC dorms and on and on and on. If any of these people were ethical, they wouldn't be running as repubs to begin with; you pretty much have to already be compromised to get GOP PAC backing. Lots of small planes go down....

Everyone is so focused on Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins, but folks should pay attention to the other Republican senators who are women -- Joni Ernst from Iowa, Shelley Moore Capito from West Virginia, Deb Fischer from Nebraska and Cindy Hyde-Smith from Mississippi. They may be the ones who flip on this nomination -- along with Corker and Sasse and Flake. And, of course, this turn of events gives coverage to Heidi Heitkamp in North Dakota and Claire McCaskill in Missouri to vote no without repercussion. Going forward on this nomination without investigation will not fly with suburban women voters. Republicans are already starting to panic about potentially losing the Senate (the House is gone already). Forcing this nomination through would be political suicide. My best guess is Kavanaugh is withdraws within a couple of days -- which indeed would show that his fealty was to the Republican Party and not the people.

R421 Yeah I don't see how they can go forward now.

All Republicans are amoral...they will move forward, to their own detriment.

R423 I don't see how they can move forward. Some Republicans have already hinted they won't vote for him now and it provides an excuse for vulnerable Democrats to not join Republicans in voting for him. I predict he gets pulled and replaced with Amy Coney Barrett.

Amy Coney Barrett is just Kavanaugh without the teenage rape. Repugs suck. Let's see them try to get anyone confirmed with a Democratic Senate (everything crossed!).

They’ll confirm him. He’s just a rapist. Not like he’s a Democrat.

Going back upthread a bit, of course, rape is and was common. I don't know a woman who hasn't been sexually assaulted. At least half of the women I know have been raped, one or more times. And any woman who regularly socializes with straight men in bars, clubs or at parties, will unfailingly be inappropriately and non-consentingly touched, at the very least, twice a year. I know a woman whose older brother repeatedly raped her when she was a pre-teen and her parents punished her instead of the brother -- and they were boring suburban doughballs not neandertheists. I know a stone butch lesbian who was assaulted by a male cab driver. I know more women than I can count who have been locked in rooms by men at parties, had their drinks spiked, their clothes torn off of them and then had to make the choice of either trying to fight off someone with twice as much upper body strength or "playing dead" and hoping they made it out alive. Most straight men really do not see women as actual people.

I was a kid in the 80s so maybe I missed all the rape celebration movies. Didn't boys in the 80s want to be Tom Cruise? The only 80s rape movie I can think of is The Accused and that definitely wasn't a glorification of male brutality as something cool and cruel to aspire to.

Anyway, I think it's dangerous to project our own morality onto the GOP. They are amoral, as a party policy. What is horrifyingly over the line to you and me is "the fun of the game" for psychopaths.

OH hang it up toots.

Not you r427 but the defeatist troll upthread.

Interesting side note- Don McGahn chose this guy, along with Trump, from a list from The Federalist Society. McGahn is in charge of this nomination. He's also the guy who covered up Rob Porter's history of violence.

Republicans might not want to bank on McGahn giving them access to every single thing that was found in Kav's background check.

That blob with jacked teeth, R405? Maybe you can't get past his Risky Business hair.

"The young woman was loudly smacking on bubblegum and it had gotten annoying for the refined, gentlemen residents. After being asked to please stop smacking the bubblegum multiple times which she refused to do, Brett gently put his hand over her mouth with a Kleenex and asked her kindly to spit out the bubblegum. When she did, Brett handed the soiled tissue to Judge who tossed it in the wastebasket. End of story!"

The thing that bothers me most is him putting his hand over her mouth, that is some scary stuff there

Had his attempted (condomless) rape been successful, and she’d become pregnant, Kavanaugh’s ideal Supeme Court would have denied her an abortion.

I Expect more women to come forward. If he did this to her he did this to others. As a teen in the mid 80s who went to LOTS of house parties, girls had a whisper campaign of their own about which boys to stay away from because they would try that shit. I'm sorry the accuser had to go through this.

Have Ivanka or Melanoma issued statements yet?

[quote]Have Ivanka or Melanoma issued statements yet?

I rly don't care, do u?

r89 LMAO maybe I am tired but I have tears streaming I am laughing so hard

I'd have cancelled Kavanaugh for lying under oath ...twice...now this? He needs to withdraw. I think we may know his status if we monitor TV ads. The Repubicans have been advertising for Kavanaugh relentlessly on local TV, urging people to "call your senators and tell them you support Brett Kavanaugh. " If they start withdrawing ad buys we'll know they want him to withdraw.

He has the complexion of a drinker, I bet he is a closet boozer

When Merrick Garland was 17, he and two friends invited the South American exchange students studying at their school to prom so they wouldn't feel left out. Garland later saved the life of one of those friends on a stormy canoeing trip.

Closet boozer? He brags of his constant black out drinking in high school and college.

To those of you who have been watching news coverage of this situation, have you noticed that Brett Kavanaugh is always referred to as "Judge Kavanaugh" but Chief Judge Garland is always referred to as "Merrick Garland." The Fiendish Sex Putz gets an honorific but a truly decent man and accomplished jurist does not. What's up with that?

Good call, R443. We need to pay attention to the subtle and not so subtle ways that they propagandize everything.

The deplorable elves are working hard. This thread's OP is now greyed out. And my settings are at asbestos eyeballs.

There has to be more. No way did he do this just once. And if he hung out with other guys like his pal Judge, the Right Wing asshole, then that too is a reflection. Let's say that it was Judge who attacked the girl while Kavanaugh stood look out. That would be just as bad IMO. So I'd definitely take a closer look. This woman had to have friends. She says she locked herself in a bathroom then f led the party. I have to wonder if she ever made a reference to the incident to anyone. Even a comment about what a douche Kavanaugh was, etc. I'm convinced this was not an isolated incident. He probably did it at other times or aided and abetted others. Now I know what it was I din't like about him. He reminds me of William Kennedy Smith

R45 It’s not greyed out on mine.

Ding ding ding! Kennedy Smith Redux.

The one detail I can’t figure out is Judge. It is clear (because of his laughter) that he was into the rape. But then what exactly was he trying to accomplish by jumping on Kavanaugh? I know she says he yelled Stop as well. Did he change his mind half way through the rape and decide he didn’t like it? Also, he’s a fucking liar — Judge that is. I drank and partied too, I don’t believe his black out story. I had blackouts too, but in high school, most blackouts meant you were so wasted you couldn’t even stand up — we were so stupid we would drink to the point of alcohol poisoning. As we got older we got better at pacing our drinking. Obviously there is no way to prove that, but that’s my strong opinion on his “black out.”

[quote]And if he hung out with other guys like his pal Judge, the Right Wing asshole, then that too is a reflection.

Judge describes himself as an alcoholic in his 1997 addiction memoir, Wasted: Tales of a Gen X drunk. In his book, he makes what many see has a thinly veiled referenced to the Supreme Court nominee:

"Do you know Bart O'Kavanaugh?"

"Yeah. He's around here somewhere."

"I heard he puked in someone's car the other night."

"Yeah. He passed out on his way back from a party."

Coupled with Christina Blasey Ford's recollection that Kavanaugh and Judge were both drunk at the time of the assault, it certainly seems as if Kavanaugh had a problem with alcohol. Was he asked at the hearing whether he is an alcoholic? Whether he still drinks?

[quote]As we got older we got better at pacing our drinking.

Speak for your self amateur.

[quote]Whether he still drinks?

Hey, over here! Isn't anyone listening to me? I've been trying to get the attention of the whole Senate and a tv audience of millions for the last two weeks!

[quote] Was he asked at the hearing whether he is an alcoholic? Whether he still drinks?

That is a standard question that the FBI asks everyone during their background investigation interview.

Thank you, R451. His complexion screams out for medical scrutiny, just as his hair cut screams out for expert psychological help.

His teeth just need a dentist.

Trump probably likes Kavanaugh's poofed up and sprayed 'do

[quote]Was he asked at the hearing whether he is an alcoholic? Whether he still drinks?

[quote]That is a standard question that the FBI asks everyone during their background investigation interview.

Is "Did you ever sexually assault anyone in high school?" also a standard question?

Kyle Griffin:

Debra Katz, Christine Blasey Ford's attorney, tells CNN that no one has asked her to testify yet.

"We've heard from no one. We've seen various statements made on television, but statements that are being bandied about for political reason. But no one's asked her."

R455, the FBI questions are comprehensive and all-encompassing. They are designed to cover any situation where you have committed criminal acts or where your behavior could be used to blackmail you. They do not specifically list every situation that could have occurred -- did you ever rob a bank in Fargo, ND? -- but if you fail to answer honestly you are going to be in a lot of trouble.

And, just as a reminder, this bastard Kavanaugh has perjured himself several times. There is no way that this creep deserves a seat on the US Supreme Court. In fact, he needs to be thrown off the US Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit.

Reporters have been contacting the 65 women who signed the letter saying Kavanaugh is a great guy. Politico contacted at least two dozen: two reaffirmed their support, two said they had "no comment," and the rest have not responded.

What a disgusting thug. Trump had to go off the list of nominees to find the one who guaranteed to work to block the investigation and ended up with someone Heritage and the Federalist Society never included in the original list. Just a churlish, lying rapey thug.

Of course all that shit about his daughters and the girls' basketball thing is cover - it was never about Roe. It was about this. He knew this might show up, so he was trying to place in everyone's minds that he's all about his girls.

Disgusting sleazebag.

I...have...no...words.

If DJTJ did something about that AWFUL hair style, he might be worth a glance.

Ford said he tried to test off the covering she had on over her bathing suit. So it was a swim party.

QUESTION: So how was Kavanaugh dressed at the time of the assault?

It probably wasn’t in a three piece

Sex Putz.

Trump Trolls still trying to gray this out.

SHEX PUTSHZ

We can all be accused of something: It’s a neat rhetorical trick. It shifts the accountability from the one person to the many; it claims expansive empathy while revealing just how limited a resource, in the government of the people, empathy really is. The comment rejects the predictably partisan defense of Kavanaugh—the allegation of misconduct, as The Weekly Standard summed it up late last week, as “an achingly obvious attempt to libel a good man for rank political ends”—in favor of another one: the notion that, precisely because of the allegation against him, the judge deserves to be defended. (Every man.) The White House, far from treating the allegations of one of its constituents with any degree of stated concern, will apparently push even harder for its nominee—on the grounds that the nominee in question, bedeviled with “accusations,” could be anyone.

Or, rather: He could really be any man. And here is the deeper venality of the boys-being-boys defense: It normalizes. It erases the specific details of Christine Blasey Ford’s stated recollections with the soggy mop of generalized male entitlement. What red-blooded guy, after all, its logic assumes, hasn’t done, in some way, the kinds of things Ford has described? Who, as a younger version of himself, hasn’t gotten stumble-drunk, pinned down a woman, groped her, tried to undress her, and then, when she resisted, held his hand over her mouth to muffle her screams? (“It was drunk teenagers playing seven minutes of heaven,” the Fox News columnist Stephen Miller tweeted, derisively.)

Once again, in much of the public discussion, the empathy settles on the man accused. There but for the grace, etc.: If youthful indiscretions like that are allowed to affect the fate of a basketball-coaching, soup-kitchen-volunteering, daughter-nurturing, carpool-driving, Supreme Court nominee, whose fortunes wouldn’t be affected? “We’ve now gone from ‘he did this terrible thing at 17’ to ‘he’s a man who treated a woman like that,’” the author Tom Nichols tweeted on Sunday. “Man, I hope all the people who are making this case had spotless lives at 17, because I sure as hell didn’t.”

...

And so, this weekend, within the space of a few hours, something remarkable happened. The salient question about Ford’s allegations became, in some quarters, not whether they are true, but rather whether they count as allegations at all. The cruelties she describes—the alleged acts of dehumanization that left her traumatized, she says, as a 15-year-old and still, as an adult—might be “terrible,” yes, but they are also … simply part of the natural order of things. Boys, figuring out how to be men. Locker-room talk, made manifest. “Drunk teenagers playing seven minutes of heaven.” Who wouldn’t be implicated in that? Who doesn’t see himself, in some way, in this age-old story? If somebody can be brought down by accusations like this, then you, me, every man certainly should be worried.

... Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination to the Supreme Court was already, in the profoundest of ways, a matter of norms: It will determine, almost inevitably, whether the women of America maintain autonomy over their bodies. Here, though, in Christine Blasey Ford’s claim that a young Brett Kavanaugh compromised her autonomy in another way, another norm is being litigated: the way we talk about sexual violence. Whether such violence will be considered an outrage, or simply a sad inevitability. Whether it will be treated as morally intolerable ... or as something that, boys being boys and men being men, just happens.

...

... Christine Blasey Ford, who knew the risk she was taking—the cruel treatment of Anita Hill, all those decades ago, remains a fresh wound—came forward anyway. Preemptively dismissed, even in anonymity (as a drunk, as a liar, as a partisan stooge, and as simply mistaken), she made herself public to issue a warning about a person seeking concentrated power over the lives and bodies of women. Ford’s claims have been met by some with urgency and clarity: They must be investigated, many in power have said. But the claims have also been met, revealingly, with a collective shrug by people who see themselves in him but cannot see themselves in her. They weaponize their apathy. They are all Spartacus. They defend each other. And they defend a world in which—as a point of anxiety but also, it seems, as a point of pride—they can all be accused of something.

New Kavanaugh statement:

"This is a completely false allegation. I have never done anything like what the accuser describes—to her or to anyone.

Because this never happened, I had no idea who was making this accusation until she identified herself yesterday.

I am willing to talk to the Senate Judiciary Committee in any way the Committee deems appropriate to refute this false allegation, from 36 years ago, and defend my integrity.”

So she reported it to a therapist six years before his nomination but she’s lying.

Totally believable.

Those bastards are just going to hustle him through. And they wonder why women don't speak up.

Kavanaugh was photographed walking into the White House around 10am this morning. Emergency meeting with fellow rapist, Cheeto?

If he gets out of committee and is sent to the full Senate, that's going to be something to watch. Yee haw!

I think he will withdraw before that happens.

The great skepticism and sometimes bold denouncement of the woman kind of shows me that the norms related to sexual harassment/assault/rape of women won't fundamentally change until women are in a much greater proportion of positions of power and authority. Maybe even more than half, given the entrenchment of cultural bias in favor of straight men.

Collins will vote to confirm because she's surrounded by GOP men who will confirm. It's only in a world where she's surrounded by GOP women who wouldn't vote to confirm that someone like her (weathervane, terrified of losing her special place) would vote "no".

I don't think, in the end, the outcome will be different from Anita Hill's treatment by the Senate Judiciary Committee (yes, chaired by Joe Biden at the time). We haven't really changed that much.

There’s no question this nomination is in serious trouble. Trump’s numbers are in the toilet, and especially with women. If they push him through, they guarantee even more fleeing women, which spells disaster for midterms and reelection. If they don’t push him through and the House turns as expected, they will have a lot of trouble getting another nominee through. The WH is between a rock and a hard place. And I also guarantee that discussions are being had right now that Kavanaugh pull out himself.

If Kavanaugh pulls out himself at this point, isn't an implied admission that the accuser is truthful?

I love how all men accused of these things include the date of “x years ago” and use that as some sort of evidence of absolution, as if they’ve done their time.

Is the Daily News going to have the headline "KAV PULLS OUT" or something? Or would that be too insensitive?

I'd say the Post, but they're all about excusing sexual assault, it seems.

Clearly BK has always wanted to get in... pulling out is the last thing on his mind.

I had a therapist tell me once that in relationships you can look into someones eyes and know internally that what they are like. This is why so many people fall into the same type of romantic relationships which is always the same type of person with just a different face.

Trump attracts to himself what he is. He didn't even have to know what Kavanaugh has done to be able to pick up that he is just like him. Look at all the people Trump is surrounded by. So many just carbon copies of himself.

Questioning Ms. Ford is going to be really tricky for the (all-male) Senate Rs on the committee ... they might want Kavanaugh to pull out just so they don't have to face it.

R474, I have to disagree. I don't think it's in serious trouble yet. There is just as much pressure on the pro-confirmation side. If they can't push this through, they won't get another shot until after the election. And if they don't do it, their own base will be pissed, and that's a base that already doesn't like Congress much. If that base doesn't turn out, even by a small amount, the Democrats have a very real shot at taking the Senate, which makes it even less likely that someone like Kavanaugh would be confirmed.

Either way, you might lose the Senate so better to confirm and take your chances. And, right now, anyway, it's still just one accuser. They can pass this off as he-said-she-said.

Now if other accusers step forward, then I completely agree with you.

No, R475. It will be an acknowledgement that this judge is, and has always been, a party hack. That he would claim 'judicial independence' is disgusting.

There's got to be another woman out there. This guy screams misogyny and assault. I understand if they're scared, however - absolutely.

Who is the 3rd man in the room? Has he been identified. No one makes a false accusation know their is a witness that isn't ready to collaborate their story. Name him, let him be grilled see if he holds up.

There was a second man and yes, he's been identified: Mark Judge. It was those two and the victim.

Yeah, there was no third man, R484.

[quote]I had a therapist tell me once that in relationships you can look into someones eyes and know internally that what they are like.

lmao.

Probably not enough to derail unless something new comes to light.

[quote]Senate Republicans, along with the White House, see no need to postpone voting over what they consider uncorroborated and unverifiable accusations, according to a person familiar with the situation but not authorized to speak publicly.

[quote]In considering their options Sunday, Republicans largely settled on the view that Ford’s story alone was not enough to delay Kavanaugh’s confirmation.

Allegedly, behind closed doors some Republicans are threatening their Democratic colleagues by saying that if Kavanaugh doesn't get confirmed they will nominate someone "even worse." But Kavanaugh is so extreme in terms of what he believes (king-like powers for the President, the implied illegality of birth control) that finding such a person might be impossible unless they nominate Roy Moore.

R484, Mark Judge is a recovering alcoholic who, according to links on DL (possibly in this thread) has posted on racist, Holocaust-denial pages.

The only other man in the room was Mark Judge, a "conservative filmmaker and commentator." He allegedly also assaulted her/aided in Kavanaugh's assault.

Maybe the Republicans' attitude is "It's just one woman. Who cares - we can ban abortion with this guy." That's probably what evangelicals are leaning towards.

That's pretty much it, R491. It was one woman, it's uncorroborated, it was a long time ago, Kavanaugh forcefully denies it (although not yet under oath), etc.

Republicans and evangelicals didn't give a shit that Trump is a pussy grabber, and they don't give a shit that Kavanaugh is an attempted rapist. Evangelicals always blame the woman for tempting the man under any and all circumstances, regardless of what the man does to the woman.

This would never happen, but I'd love it if he had to face her and they had a back and forth before the committee and the cameras. I can imagine surly, churlish condescension on his part and composed dignity on hers. I don't think he can do false innocence haloed by imitated dignity.

Some analysis from last night.

God, I hate Donald Jr so much. Everything he posts online just sheds more light on how moronic he is. And he cannot spell or punctuate to save himself.

She's one person. She faces "annihilation" for coming forward. Every aspect of her life will be exposed, and zealots will actively try to harm her in innumerable ways for years to come. She'll be mocked, threatened, and she and her loved ones may even face physical harm.

Yet she's come forward. She's willing to testify. She knows millions will be watching her testify.

No other woman has stepped forward. It's just her.

Kavanaugh has the power of the White House and the Senate majority behind him.

She has almost nothing.

Doesn't that hint at her immense credibility?

Only two of the 65 women who vouched for Kavanaugh stand by him after accuser comes forward

R498, I think the media need to go ask every single one of these women again, on the record. Let's see if they really know the thug. I want a granular discussion of what each of these supporter are saying.

Sounds like a job for buzzfeed.

Not too surprising that Trump Jr's put-down of BK's accuser is so juvenile, nasty and snide. It's straight from the playground playbook of his disgusting father.

Depicted in the link @ R460, Junior put me in mind of Michael Madsen in 'Reservoir Dogs' - razor in hand, about to cut someone's ear off as 'Stuck In The Middle With You' played. Total sleaze bag.

And how many of you still support Al Franken? Show of hands.

Bumping this thread just to counter the trolls and bots who are greying it and dropping it from the main page.

r494 that would make a great movie but unfortunately it won't happen but I agree with you

This may be a stupid question, but I don't understand why there is this freakout to get the nominee confirmed before mid terms. Even IF Democrats won the Senate, the new senate would not start until January. The Republicans would still have control and be able to get a nominee confirmed after the election until the new Senate is sworn in.

R505, yes, they could, and most Republican Senators would cheerfully get on board with another nominee, no matter how vile. But all it takes is two of them to point out that the people had spoken and that you just don't do things like this in a lame duck session to derail the next nomination.

[quote]This may be a stupid question, but I don't understand why there is this freakout to get the nominee confirmed before mid terms.

1. The Senate is trending down for the Republicans -- a Democratic majority is unlikely, but it's more likely than it was a month ago. 2. The Republicans want a Republican majority on the Supreme Court when its new term starts in October -- the better to dismantle individual protections and kowtow to corporate interest.

"...that you just don't do things like this..."

Good God! Where were you when Clarence Thomas was confirmed? Where were you during Bush v. Gore? What about Mitch McConnell's shafting of Obama and Merrick Garland?

OF COURSE THEY DO THINGS LIKE THIS. They are Republicans. They don't care about principle and they have no ethics except wielding power and lining their pockets with public money.

Kavanaugh was a popular rich kid and he wasn't ugly, he didn't need to rape somebody. What a fucking scumbag.

R508, read that again. I said that all it takes is two of them. And McConnell is worried about that, which is why he's trying to ram this through.

Kavanaugh has now lawyered up. Could this possibly be because there is no statute of limitations on felony sexual assault in the State of Maryland...?

Or, R511, it could be to defend the property interest he feels he has in a seat on the Supreme Court.

He went to the right schools, joined the right clubs. How dare they even consider denying him?

Reporter Andrea Wolfson in a tweet:

“FWIW, a DC lawyer told me this morning he’d been waiting for Kavanaugh’s #MeToo moment ... but the story he knew wasn’t from high school but a summer clerkship.”

Get ready for more stories of sexual misconduct to come out.

Uh oh. Kavanaugh‘s Mom was the judge in a foreclosure case against the victim’s family? Just heard on CNN.

Maybe it's the pessimist in me, but I have the same feelings now that I had in 2016. We're all but certain of an upcoming blue wave, but my gut tells me to expect the worst..

[quote]Kavanaugh‘s Mom was the judge in a foreclosure case against the victim’s family?

CNN is taking cues from Laura Ingraham tweets?

R513, that sounds promising.

The thing is, there are therapists' notes from six months ago. The foreclosure thing doesn't matter.

Ingraham clearly wants us to think that Ford made up the story about Li'l Brett to get back at his mother, but I'm not seeing the details. Did Judge Mom Kavanaugh rule in favor of a foreclosure on Ford's parents' property? Were they damaged in some way because of her ruling?

R518, six *years* ago.

[quote]FIENDISH SEX PUTZ

Pics please.

The accuser was right to want to stay anonymous. The counter attacks on her will make the Anita Hill hearings look like a quilting bee. It's about to get very ugly.

The house was not actually foreclosed on. It was listed to be heard in her court but it was not. The family must have been able to pay off their debt in the house. This happens more often than you think. The mother still owns the house.

She needs a GoFundMe to hire Kroll to protect her family and her both online and physically.

R522, that's huge. Whew.

Thanks, R522, could you link to that information? I didn't see the documents at CNN's link. This means, then, that Ingraham is accusing Ford of very petty revenge indeed, and is deliberately withholding the facts of the case to make it look as if Ford's family was ruined by Judge Mom Kavanaugh's decision.

She’s screwed.

I wonder if Feinstein is holding back other accusers' letters LOL. She's the new Biden (Biden didn't allow other women who could corroborate Anita Hill's accounts of harassment to speak before the committee).

Not that I dislike Biden now, BTW.

Hopeful article.

Everything Trump touches really DOES die, doesn’t it? Rick Wilson’s book is correctly titled.

I want to see Brett Kavanaugh’s life completely ruined. At the barest minimum here, I think his girl’s coaching days are now over.

On MSNBC right now: White House is strongly opposed to public hearings.

R529, I wonder... if they're so certain they're correct and Kavanaugh never tried to rape her, what are they afraid of?

"Brit Hume’s daughter, Virginia, who went to Holton Arms with [Kavanuagh’s accuser] Ford and organized the letter signed by 65 women attesting to Kavanaugh’s character, was tweeting with Mark Judge about ignoring youthful indiscretions last year.”

Fox News is officially part of this.

Mark Judge has deleted all his social media accounts by the way.

If Pence is the one who has a break a tie... well it's just what he doesn't want to do right now, be in any sort of spotlight.

Possibly afraid that more of the documents that they refused to release will leak out, R530. The longer this goes on, the more likely it is that something that will come out that will derail the confirmation process.

his mother never ruled on the case and the parents still own the property. People just trying to diminish her.

Sen. Hatch, this morning, on if hearings found her allegation true:

[quote]If that was true, I think it would be hard for senators to not consider who the judge is today. That’s the issue. Is this judge a really good man? And he is. And by any measure he is.

Goddamn Hatch.

Can't Republicans find a candidate that isn't a pervert?

R101 Certainly, Mary!

why the hell did people ever vote that idiot Hatch into office?

Jesus, R535, Hatch is repulsive. Kavanaugh was just lying his head off while under oath a few days ago.

Why did Grassley have this letter ready from 65 women? And why is he calling them classmates of Kavanaugh, when Georgetown Prep is an ALL BOYS school?

Republicans will crawl over broken glass to get this sick fuck confirmed. This is kind of their last chance before the mid terms PLUS he's like the Damien of nominees, they have been waiting decades to get the 5th evil conservative judge on the court. Expect a lot of ugliness

This allegation by Christine Blasey Ford of sexual assault certainly strengthens the argument for releasing ALL the 100,000 documents that remain sequestered by Grassley. Please, someone on the Democratic side, make that argument now!

Who would name a baby "Brett?" Ugh.

My dear, sainted mother, r542.

Quote from linked article:

Kavanaugh - “It is our job,” he wrote colleagues in Starr’s office in an email, “to make his pattern of revolting behavior clear—piece by painful piece.”

MSNBC breaking: Kavanaugh was not AT the party !! LMAO..All day at the White House and that is all they can come up with??

How does he know which party it was? No date was ever specified.

It's my party and I'll lie if I want to.

Is that seriously the best they can come up with late afternoon the next day? “I wasn’t at the party”? Serious fail.

I really do not think Kavanaugh will be confirmed now. This is snowballing. And quickly.

Uh oh....NEW: “There are persons who work (or worked) for the federal judiciary who have important stories to tell about disgraced former Judge Alex Kozinski and his mentee, current Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh," a whistleblower tells @ryangrim

Sen. Collins just said “If Judge Kavanaugh is lying about this it would be disqualifying.”

Uh oh. Kavanaugh is adamantly denying he was even at the party.

Kavanaugh's collapse is nearly complete. He will never be a Supreme Court justice.

Couldn't happen to a more deserving political hack.

‏[quote]Verified account @christinawilkie

[quote]NEW Senator Collins: "Obviously if Judge Kavanaugh has lied about what happened that would be disqualifying."

[quote]If that was true, I think it would be hard for senators to not consider who the judge is today. That’s the issue. Is this judge a really good man? And he is. And by any measure he is.

If that was true, it means that Kavanaugh just today lied and smeared the reputation of a woman he sexually assaulted. I guess that fits the Republican definition of a "really good man."

[quote]If that was true, I think it would be hard for senators to not consider who the judge is today. That’s the issue. Is this judge a really good man? And he is. And by any measure he is.

This kind of (il)logic takes a whole lot of distance from reality to maintain.

[quote]Is this judge a really good man? And he is. And by any measure he is.

Any measure? Really?

.@SenMajLdr McConnell must be thinking exactly that right about now. Especially with the AZ and TN polls showing growing Dem margins today.

I predict #Kavanaugh will end up withdrawing himself over Trump's strenuous (public) objections. If 11 old white Republican dudes grill Prof. Ford in a hearing, the GOP WILL lose the Senate.

As I see it the GOP is fucked. If they try to discredit her, which would be the only reason they would ask her to testify, then they will look really bad because that is pretty transparent in this #MeToo age. If they don't interview her, they will look bad too. Now it seems to me they are going to try to play "hardball" with this. Tough it out. They'll try to ramrod Kavanaugh through the approval process. So far Flake who is on the judiciary committee is saying he wants to wait. So he may not vote with the majority to get this out of committee for a full Senate vote. Unless, of course, they play let's make a deal. I have to wonder how eager McConnell is to fall on his sword this close to the election. They have to ask themselves if Kavanaugh is worth it. I bet even now their number s crunchers are trying to assess the impact of the damage to the Mid Terms if the force this through. I love Diane Feinstein. She released this information at precisely the right time. I can't get over how good I feel when I see the Democrats acting tough and smart and kicking ass. May it be ever thus.

Apparently Kavanaugh’s been holed up with McGahn working the phones all day.

Really boneheaded move by Team Kavanaugh to double down on the “never happened, wasn’t even at the party, she’s lying” angle. What if this woman can prove he was there? He’ll be exposed as a liar and that SCOTUS seat will go up in smoke.

Plus a public hearing is inevitable and the optics of 10 old white men attacking this woman and her credibility will be terrible. Clarence Thomas survived the Anita Hill debacle but narrowly and times are much different now.

I just read somwhere that Kavanaugh had a "privileged, preppy existence" and it was soaked in booze and partying. Does not look good for him.

By saying he wasn't at the party, Kavanaugh just added two more names to the witness list.

I think Kavanaugh will withdraw by Wednesday.

Bullseye-ingly concise, r560.

me, too, R561, for sure I think by the weekend. If they were really in McGahn's office desperately making calls together, then that means they are trying to hold their supporters together, and simultaneously come up with a strategy for damage control. They're tone deaf to their voters. The Kavanaugh ship is springing leaks all over the place. Good.

You know, this is something the Democrats need to keep in mind. The GOP is so arrogant they never do their due diligence in vetting people. They are heavy-handed, don't give a fuck kind of guys. So Democratic Congressional staff needs to be on their toes, and really do the investigative work necessary to derail the prospective nominees. You can be assured none of the people nominated for anything in this administration are clean. None of them.

This asshat is evil. Sociopath BK. The Repugs have all turned (or have always been) Sociopaths. The party of sociopaths. They seem desperate beyond reason to get him on the SC.

Diane F played this to perfection. And the Repugs knew all about it at the same time, or shortly thereafter, she did. Those 65 names are a joke.

Go to Hell, BK, and never come back!

I think between 50% and 75% of all those who seek power are sociopaths.

99% of Repugs who do, are.

It's also struck me that the Republicans have become vulnerably lazy in some ways. These responses by Grassley, Hatch, et al. ("He's a good man") aren't just eye-rollingly trite and threadbare, they *sound* it to most of the public. They've used their empty rhetoric—both the trite, simpering defenses and the savage, slanderous attacks—too long for anyone to even hear anything in them this time. They're finally being exposed.

*BREAKING* SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE SCHEDULES SEX NERD 'DID NOT/DID TOO' HEARING IN LIEU OF INVESTIGATION.

r503, what the fuck do you think the threadwatcher is for? No one needs your "help".

Here's my question: why was Gorsuch allowed such an easy path to the bench. He radiates creep from head to toe. There's no way he's ethically qualified for the job.

Source r568

All we need now is find a couple of people who will corroborate that he was at the party. He said he wasn’t. So what does he do - change his story or lie to Congress? Yeah, I’m thinking he’s going to have to withdraw.

Another reason for Feinstein to wait to release this story is in case it wasn’t needed because of something else that came up at the hearings. That would have saved the accuser, but it didn’t work out that way, so, ace in the hole played.

According to Ari, there will now be a hearing with Kavanaugh and Dr. Ford this coming Monday. The Thursday vote has been postponed.

Here you go, r470.

Fuck you, R569!

As to your jejune question, why don't you get a clue and ask yourself why a well-connected white male conservative Republican judge who showed unwavering loyalty to the Federalist Society and Scalia-like norms of "originalist" jurisprudence would get on the short list for the SC under a Republican president despite his obviously pedestrian mind and abundant past douchebaggery (which, by the way, are features not bugs on the right).

We need Nora Buchanan on the case to bust it WIDE OPEN!

Kavanaugh/McGahn are blowing themselves up at this point assisted by the clueless old guy Hatch. This woman is “mixed up”? Really??

Dems are getting revenge for the Garland disaster.

Republicans are trying to not lose women voters by saying they believe that something happened to her, but due to time and possibly her having something to drink, she i'd the wrong guy. It was somebody else at the party.

R577, that's a clunky, condescending strategy at best. "Oh, your poor little feeble mind. You're mixed up!"

She’s going to have to narrow down when it occurred. “Sometime one summer” is going to be considered too convenient and won’t fly.

I sense he will withdraw. Well played Diane Feinstein.

Suddenly, Last Summer.....

Diane delivered a highly skilled, well placed shiv!

Hatch and Grassley were on the Thoas-Hill hearings. They were/are cringe-worthy in their statements/actions. Hold them accountable for every stupid comment, lie, and sexist remark they've ever made.

What r557, r580 and r582 said.

A stiletto causes more damage than a machete. I'm exhilarated by Feinstein's move.

[QUOTE]She’s going to have to narrow down when it occurred. “Sometime one summer” is going to be considered too convenient and won’t fly.

It seemed specific enough for Kavanaugh to claim he wasn't there.

[quote]She’s going to have to narrow down when it occurred. “Sometime one summer” is going to be considered too convenient and won’t fly.

What do you mean? Kavanaugh is denying being at a party before he even knows what party it was. Well, unless he knows exactly what party it was because it was that one where he tried to rape that girl.

1) Senator Hatch provided the secondhand comment supposedly from Kavanaugh, and 2) Hatch said Kavanaugh said he was not at “a” party like the one described, not a specific party.

All this love for Feinstein who kept the letter under wraps, and none for young Ronan who spilled the gory details?

It's not like Rona did any investigation. It was handed to him. I think WaPo did a better job diggin into the details.

Feinstein kept it quiet per the woman's request.

In a "he said, she said" circumstance, the question becomes, Who has the bigger motivation to lie?

It's Kavanaugh by a mile.

Props to both Senator Feinstein and Ronan Farrow.

Diane kept it under wraps, per the victims request, but once things were scheduled for a vote, like it or not, she expertly plunged a shiv in between the ribs of BK. That's how you do it, Democrats!

Diane “The Shiv” Finestien.

She has redeemed herself to me. Go shiv!

Reminder that Hatch is the one who claimed Anita Hill lifted portions of her testimony from the fucking Exorcist. Grassley was on the judiciary committee for the Hill testimony, too. All the chickens have come home to roost for these old, white, dinosaurs.

I hope Ronan is working on the follow-up story with the other victims going on the record.

Ronan’s working on something. Today, he retweeted this from July:

A quick reminder that I don’t comment on reporting I haven’t published, and if you’re reading about my work from secondary sources you’re often not getting the full or correct story—especially in cases where parties have an interest in downplaying or otherwise spinning

r593 Rinse and repeat, Diane. And, watch all the Hatch, Grassley, Specter, and Biden assholish behavior and disgusting treatment of Professor Hill.

I hope Ronan has an adderall source so he can publish the Trump Apprentice tape story before the midterms. NOW IS NOT THE TIME FOR SLEEP, FARROW.

Are we having a Thread II ?

Can someone start Part II?