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Dirk Bogarde comes across as such a bitchy, superior old queen in this interview.

Sad he had to keep saying he didn't want to have anyone in his life - when he had a partner he lived with for years in that very house. I mean, it's just a lie.

I know it's a long clip (almost 12 mins) but worth watching. I'd be interested to hear what you think. Rather than not bothering to watch and commenting anyway.

Fascinating the thing he says about his house in France, that it was used to hide Jewish children in the war before they were secretly shipped out to Barcelona and shows their names, scribbled on the walls.

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by Anonymousreply 23211/20/2018

He was basically retired by 1981 and living in France with his long term partner Tony Forwood.

If Tony hadn't got cancer in 1983 and died in 1988 I think he may have even come out (not that he really needed to).

His family contributed to a very frank and honest documentary about him (and Tony) in 2001 - The Private Dirk Bogarde

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by Anonymousreply 109/11/2018

That's such a good documentary, R1. Thanks for the link.

by Anonymousreply 209/11/2018

Never heard of him. Must be an eldergay thing.

by Anonymousreply 309/11/2018

Wasn't he supposed to be a heartthrob that all the gals swooned for back in the day? Hard to see it.

by Anonymousreply 409/11/2018

I read one of the volumes of his memoirs long time ago. I liked his writing style, it was so elegant. My memory is of this glamorous yet down-to-earth chap that took the business of acting seriously and seemed comfortable in his own skin especially with his sexuality.

by Anonymousreply 509/11/2018

Well if you think his old world elegance, style and honesty are bitchy and superior what can one say except that people who know you have the misfortune of dealing with your bitchiness and superiority.

by Anonymousreply 609/11/2018

When I first saw him in "The Damned" on cable when I was 12, I swear I thought it was Desi Arnaz.

by Anonymousreply 709/11/2018

R6 is an attractive man. Well loved.

by Anonymousreply 809/11/2018

One of his best performances that I've seen is as the ne'er-do-well father in "Our Mother's House". Very different from the usual roles he was cast (or typecast) in, and a pretty good movie.

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by Anonymousreply 909/11/2018

If you are a true card carrying gay you need to know about Dirk Bogarde. A fearless actor who took many chances which ultimately hurt his career. The very definition of suave. See the Servant or read his autobiographies. He was a Rupert Everett kind of Englishman,.. 60's vintage.

by Anonymousreply 1009/11/2018

The Servant

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by Anonymousreply 1109/11/2018

Our Mother's House was a Brit spin off of Eight Is Enough

by Anonymousreply 1209/11/2018

If his preferred version of England was disappeared by the relatively sane year of 1981 I cant imagine what he’d think of the place if he saw it now.

by Anonymousreply 1309/11/2018

He does come across as insufferable in that clip, particularly starting around 8:55, and not the brightest bulb.

by Anonymousreply 1409/11/2018

Love him. He was gorgeous in the 40s and 50s

by Anonymousreply 1509/11/2018

Wow - this thread is so dull ...

by Anonymousreply 1609/11/2018

[quote]If his preferred version of England was disappeared by the relatively sane year of 1981 I cant imagine what he’d think of the place if he saw it now.

Yes! OMG!

by Anonymousreply 1709/11/2018

in that documentary linked ealrier- you can see his nephew hated him and his sister was like "major eye-roll".

by Anonymousreply 1809/11/2018

He was a chav at heart. And I hear he loved Muhammudans, they say.

by Anonymousreply 1909/11/2018

[quote]you can see his nephew hated him and his sister was like "major eye-roll".

He had another nephew who was VERY handsome whom he adored and left most of his money to.

by Anonymousreply 2009/11/2018

He wrote several autobiographies, which many middle class fraus adored. I found them very depressing. Why write them if you're essentially in hiding?

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by Anonymousreply 2109/11/2018

I see absolutely nothing super bitchy or superior about his demeanor in that video. He was cordial, dignified, elegant, and basically himself. Why should a person who was either born with or taught to act with class and dignity act any lesser at any point in time?

by Anonymousreply 2209/11/2018

[quote]Muhammudans

What are you, like some incel retard?

by Anonymousreply 2309/11/2018

R12 It's true. Yootha Joyce played the Betty Buckley/Abby figure, struggling to replace the dead mom in everyone's hearts.

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by Anonymousreply 2409/11/2018

OP, he was not a bitchy queen. You’re totally incorrect, and your opinion is absurd. Dirk Bogarde was from an era when actors were expected to be eloquent, well versed, gentleman. Perez Hilton and Andy Cohen are bitchy queens, not Dirk Bogarde.

He was a supremely talent actor. He was a classic movie star with charm and grace; a true gentleman. The interview was excellent and entertaining.

He refused to discuss his private life, but that was his choice. He seemed very honest and genuine overall.

by Anonymousreply 2509/11/2018

I remember seeing a few of his films on tv when growing up and thinking he was handsome.

And know he was one of the few british actors to break out of their hunk/hearthrob status in the 1950s to become a very well respected actor. He turned into a bitter queen when he was old right enough. But I read an interview where they alluded to a very dark sadistic streak.

He told a woman friend (maybe she was a reporter) about something he had done to a cat in an alleyway once . She was deeply disturbed and never went into details or they didn't print it but I've never forgotten that.

by Anonymousreply 2609/11/2018

Here's an interview where he's still nice looking and some of his charm comes through.

When they go in for a close up of him from the 04:30 mark , he's kind of adorable and I can see why he became a pin up for the girls and a sure;y few of the boys in the 1950s

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by Anonymousreply 2709/11/2018

I loved him in the movie The Password is Courage also starring openly hot gay actor Alfred Lynch.

by Anonymousreply 2809/11/2018

R7, Oh wow. I totally see the resemblance to Desi Arnaz now that you mentioned it.

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by Anonymousreply 2909/11/2018

Anyone who doesn't recognise Bogarde was a miserable artificial closet queen is simply not familiar enough with him

That said he was a fine actor and he awakened something in me as a young boy that I now realize was my gay attraction to him. He was dark and handsome, his diction was delicious and clothes hung on him magnificently. He was a star

by Anonymousreply 3009/11/2018

[quote]OP, he was not a bitchy queen. You’re totally incorrect, and your opinion is absurd. Dirk Bogarde was from an era when actors were expected to be eloquent, well versed, gentleman. Perez Hilton and Andy Cohen are bitchy queens, not Dirk Bogarde.

You clearly didn't bother to watch the interview or you did and you're very thick.

Actually, you're clearly very thick, so don't bother.

by Anonymousreply 3109/11/2018

What was he miserable about? He had a life of which millions of gay men could only dream.

by Anonymousreply 3209/11/2018

You can see from his home videos how much more elegant was the life of a top actor in the 50s and 60s - especially one who loved to travel.

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by Anonymousreply 3309/11/2018

He was miserably closeted. He submitted himself to electric shock therapy in an attempt to fry away the gay.

He was miserably fearful of being outed. It was a difficult time in the UK when being gay was illegal and police worked to entrap gays.

He lied about his relationship with Tony which was a bit laughable because everybody knew they were together.

by Anonymousreply 3409/11/2018

In the video @ R1 - he says he was in love with Capucine (& that he asked her to marry him and she turned him down) and his sister was like "Yeah, right".

by Anonymousreply 3509/11/2018

Yes, the sister was hilarious.

Didn't he leave her no money at all and she had to go to court. Something like that.

by Anonymousreply 3609/11/2018

He lied a lot.

by Anonymousreply 3709/11/2018

He lived with Forwood for decades while being miserably closeted? Even while in France for 11 years as in the video (pre Forwood's cancer)?

by Anonymousreply 3809/11/2018

I love the way actors posed with cigarettes in those days.

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by Anonymousreply 4009/11/2018

Tony was married to Glynis Johns before he hooked up with Dirk!

by Anonymousreply 4109/11/2018

Great sunglasses in the video @ R33!

by Anonymousreply 4209/11/2018

Didn't he star in Victim? That was ballsy of him.

by Anonymousreply 4309/11/2018

Attention closet cases: If you act like your life is something to be ashamed of straight people will assume you are correct. But you are not fooling anyone but yourself.

by Anonymousreply 4409/11/2018

"I loved him in the movie The Password is Courage also starring openly hot gay actor Alfred Lynch."

I've seen Alfred Lynch in a couple of things and didn't realize he was gay. Good actor.

by Anonymousreply 4509/11/2018

Was it John Frasier who wrote that DB didn't realize how fey he was?

by Anonymousreply 4609/11/2018

OP is a very old very ugly bitter queen.

by Anonymousreply 4709/12/2018

My intro to him was the 1977 iteration of "Providence" directed by Alain Resnais with an amazing cast: Gielgud, Bogarde, Ellen Burstyn, Elaine Stritch et al. Sondheim was to have written the score but backed out.

Bogarde seemed tortured. Art imitating life, I guess. Gielgud said it was one of the two film performances (the other being Brideshead Revisited) he was proud of...

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by Anonymousreply 4809/12/2018

^ I wonder what those two queens were talking about behind the scenes?

by Anonymousreply 4909/12/2018

[quote] Dirk Bogarde comes across as such a bitchy, superior old queen

Making him really no different than 99.9% of gay men.

by Anonymousreply 5009/12/2018

R9, Ian McEwan wholesale ripped off Our Mother’s House, book and film, in writing his novel The Cement Garden.

by Anonymousreply 5109/12/2018

R50 = homophobe.

by Anonymousreply 5209/12/2018

OK DL sleuths; name one actor who came out as gay before AIDS? Oh, and if there is one did they continue to have a career? 2018 does not apply to 1966, He was brave in his choice of roles, playing a coded gay man/relationship, especially in the Servant

by Anonymousreply 5309/12/2018

William Haines and no his career was finished.

by Anonymousreply 5409/12/2018

R53 You couldn't come out more spectacularly than [BOLD] Sir John Gielgud [/BOLD] did in 1953 ( not exactly voluntarily admittedly) and he had a pretty good career afterwards. He won an Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor. His film work further earned him a Golden Globe Award and two BAFTAs.

He even has a Theatre named after him.

[QUOTE] on the evening of 20 October 1953, Gielgud, usually highly discreet about casual sex, was arrested in Chelsea for cruising in a public lavatory. Until the 1960s sexual activity of any kind between men was illegal in Britain. The Home Secretary of the day, David Maxwell Fyfe, was fervently homophobic, urging the police to arrest anyone who contravened the Victorian laws against homosexuality. Gielgud was fined; when the press reported the story, he thought his disgrace would end his career. When the news broke he was in Liverpool on the pre-London tour of a new play, A Day by the Sea. According to the biographer Richard Huggett, Gielgud was so paralysed by nerves that the prospect of going onstage as usual seemed impossible, but his fellow players, led by Sybil Thorndike, encouraged him:

by Anonymousreply 5509/12/2018

^ That anecdote makes me love Sybil Thorndyke

by Anonymousreply 5609/12/2018

R23 bingo! You go it

by Anonymousreply 5709/12/2018

Was Tony the top, or was Dirk?

by Anonymousreply 5809/12/2018

[quote]Boy Barrett

lol

by Anonymousreply 5909/12/2018

But neither was Gielgud playing roles in major motion pictures that could be in any way construed as romantic. Also the world as a whole wasn't so salacious that they were eagerly wondering what went on in men's rooms in England.

by Anonymousreply 6009/12/2018

Gielgud wasn't playing romantic roles before he was outed in 1953 either.

His arrest was pretty much front page news, It left absolutely no doubt (think George Michael)

I thought the question was [BOLD] "OK DL sleuths; name one actor who came out as gay before AIDS? Oh, and if there is one did they continue to have a career? " [/BOLD]

Gielgud fits the bill, you can't change the question after it has been answered.

by Anonymousreply 6109/12/2018

Well you did! Gielgud did not 'come out.'

But to be fair you did note you were not answering the question correctly.

by Anonymousreply 6209/12/2018

He did star in “Victim” one of the first matter of fact gay movies from the UK. Ironically about homosexual blackmail.

by Anonymousreply 6309/12/2018

You old fat cow stop with the self pity.

by Anonymousreply 6409/12/2018

R62 Nor did George Michael or Neil Patrick Harris for that matter - they were also 'outed', splitting hairs a bit there.

Didn't effect either of their careers though.

I suppose Harvey Fierstein doesn't qualify either, even though he's had a pretty successful movie career despite never being in the closet.

by Anonymousreply 6509/12/2018

Gielgud never officially came out

by Anonymousreply 6609/12/2018

R64 that was my favorite line from the movie...

Uttered by an actess, not necessarily a frau though

by Anonymousreply 6709/12/2018

His books are interesting glimpses into life in a world that no longer exists. His WW2 memoir is quite different than the one depicting his very bucolic childhood (obviously), but they’re both well written and enjoyed them very much - simply because I like history. I did listen to the audiobook versions, but read a few of his later books and liked them as well. Don’t really care for him as an actor though.

by Anonymousreply 6809/12/2018

[quote]I love the way actors posed with cigarettes in those days.

Dirk was often photographed with a fag.

by Anonymousreply 6909/12/2018

R68. But his books are full of lies. True, he was a fine author, but, oh dear, she did fabricate.

by Anonymousreply 7009/13/2018

if you watch the excellent documentary @ R1- you'll all be way better informed on the man.

by Anonymousreply 7109/13/2018

R70 that's the down side of memoirs and autobiographies — the authors tend to embellish the truth ans say a few porkies

by Anonymousreply 7209/13/2018

Isn't that true of all autobiographies? Lots of Lies and fabrications?

Especially anybody who worked in the entertainment industry. The people you had to sleep with, whoring yourself out, cheating on a spouse, the people you stepped on...

Not that any of this bothers me personally(well I don't like the stepping on people part) but for some reason a lot of readers would have problems dealing with these things.

by Anonymousreply 7309/13/2018

Bogarde went too far with his war stories. He was no where near freeing prisoners of the death camps. MARY!

by Anonymousreply 7409/13/2018

I can't believe people here actually criticise him about being closeted. I mean, sodomy was a crime in Britain in his days. His role in Victim was revolutionary because after it homosexuality was decriminalized. He never married, he lived with his partner for decades.

by Anonymousreply 7509/13/2018

As you pointed out he was living with Tony for decades, during and after decriminalization I believe it was John Frasier who said it was a pity they didn't come out because they were the finest couple he'd ever met. Utterly devoted

All the Capucine business in his memoirs is embarrassing

by Anonymousreply 7609/13/2018

[quote]I can't believe people here actually criticise him about being closeted. I mean, sodomy was a crime in Britain in his days. His role in Victim was revolutionary because after it homosexuality was decriminalized. He never married, he lived with his partner for decades.

Gurl, the interview took place in 1981 and he was still making porkies to that woman about not wanting anyone in his life.

by Anonymousreply 7709/13/2018

[quote]Bogarde went too far with his war stories. He was no where near freeing prisoners of the death camps. MARY!

Like many creepy people - he had a weird obsession with "The Jews".

by Anonymousreply 7809/13/2018

R78 That sounds like a Twitter comment; but is it in any relevant to the subject of his thread?

by Anonymousreply 7909/14/2018

[quote]but is it in any relevant to the subject of his thread?

"any relevant"? Bizarre English.

by Anonymousreply 8009/14/2018

I am 100% gay and I would have had a long term relationship with Capucine. The whole bit; traveling, holding hands, fabulous dinners and sleeping with her.

by Anonymousreply 8109/14/2018

R, 81 - sure, Jan!!!!

by Anonymousreply 8209/14/2018

R77

So? He grew up in different time. Why do you judge him by today's standards? I mean, in our days of legal gay marriage, we still have closeted celebrities who get married, have children, lie endlessly, despise everything homoerotic. And you shit on Dirk Bogarde? Who lived with his male partner, who was brave enough to star in Victim, The Servant, Death in Venice, who never got married? Wtf?

by Anonymousreply 8309/14/2018

In 1965 when he co-starred with Laurence Harvey in "Darling," columnist Dorothy Killgallen asked "which one has the title role?"

by Anonymousreply 8409/14/2018

I love Darling - but all the men are incredibly swish.

by Anonymousreply 8509/14/2018

LOL, R84!

by Anonymousreply 8609/14/2018

The only gay character in Darling was Malcolm and he was in the closet in real life for years. Even his daughter said "I think we already knew".

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[quote]In 1965 when he co-starred with Laurence Harvey in "Darling," columnist Dorothy Killgallen asked "which one has the title role?"

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Dorothy Kilgallen could be a bitch!

by Anonymousreply 8909/14/2018

Who is the actor in the photo at r87?

by Anonymousreply 9009/14/2018

[quote]Dorothy Kilgallen could be a bitch!

She died of an overdose just a few weeks after it was released.

by Anonymousreply 9109/14/2018

The guy in the pic at R87 is Roland Currum. He's still alive aged 86.

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I wonder if Schlesinger had Roland?

by Anonymousreply 9309/14/2018

In the biog of Schlesinger I read, it said he had Dirk.

by Anonymousreply 9409/14/2018

When Dirk moved back to London he was invited to dinner at "World's End" in Chelsea.

He then wrote an article in The Independent, entitled "Half A Life At World's End" - apparently they forgave him.

by Anonymousreply 9509/14/2018

R88 Dirk looks quite cute in that picture.

He was gorgeous and as dewy-eyed as a doe in the late 40s.

But then he became a star in the 50s and he wore those awful hard greasy pompadours which were in fashion at the time but looked so unflattering on him.

His character became equally hard because he claims he was being abused by John Davis and Betty Box. And so he responded by being petulant and sulky. He was so upset that Brando didn't want appear with him in the Spanish western called 'The singer not the song' in '61 that Bogarde sabotaged the production by wearing leather and acting as camp as Danny La Rue.

He started to behave again when he got Ito European films in the 60s but he aged quickly after that and did a Garbo so people couldn't examine the crows feet on his former beauty.

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by Anonymousreply 9609/14/2018

he half sang/spoke a song for Darling. It's hilarious.

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by Anonymousreply 9709/14/2018

I love the film Darling. It's one of my all-time faves. People knock it now. But it's still great.

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His "singing" was LUDICROUS!!!!!

So embarrassing!

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lol

by Anonymousreply 10009/14/2018

His favourite nephew, and heir, Brock was gorgeous but he lost his looks relatively early. Does anyone know if he's gay? He displayed some promising mannerisms when he was young.

by Anonymousreply 10109/14/2018

go to 12:00 and he talks about Tony Forward. Very snippy he gets.

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by Anonymousreply 10209/14/2018

Dirk seethed with resentment to the UK. Only the continentals could appreciate his specialness.

(I'd love to see videos of the dinner parties with Visconti)

by Anonymousreply 10309/14/2018

[quote]Dirk seethed with resentment to the UK

I think you mean England.

by Anonymousreply 10409/14/2018

Bloody England!

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R101 Looks like Dirk's heir Brock Van den Bogaerde had a son called Sholto Van den Bogaerde , can't find anything else about him.

His son has a profile on Couchsurfing.com.

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by Anonymousreply 10609/14/2018

By the time he did Daddy Nostalgia he was a doddering old queen yet had some of his charm. He had chemistry with Jane Birkin(his daughter in the film) even though he cane across as a gay single man who was never a father.

by Anonymousreply 10709/14/2018

R104 Are you being merely pedantic or are you alluding in particular to something about Mr Bogarde?

by Anonymousreply 10809/14/2018

I think R103 was probably correct in saying UK over England. The provinces plus Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland were equally as homophobic.

by Anonymousreply 10909/14/2018

"In the biog of Schlesinger I read, it said he had Dirk."

Details, please!

by Anonymousreply 11009/14/2018

The Sea Shall Not Have Them

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One of Noel's best.

by Anonymousreply 11209/14/2018

^ Noel may have been. port in a storm during a particular crisis in Michael and Dirk's tempestuous lives but I refuse to believe it was anything more than a sleepover and a few drinks.

by Anonymousreply 11309/14/2018

Noel claimed that he had the bed partner that topped, so to speak, them all.

If true he certainly did.

James Cagney.

by Anonymousreply 11409/14/2018

R113, The story, according to Sheridan Morley, goes: he was crossing Leicester Square with Noël Coward when they came upon a billboard outside the Odeon that read, "Michael Redgrave and Dirk Bogarde in 'THE SEA SHALL NOT HAVE THEM,'" prompting Noël to quip, "I fail to see why not. Everybody else has."

by Anonymousreply 11509/14/2018

R114 - what's this about Cagney?!

by Anonymousreply 11609/15/2018

Dirk Bogarde had the same problem about coming out as Rock Hudson -- he became famous as a heartthrob and matinee idol for legions of women fans. That made it all especially awkward for both of them.

by Anonymousreply 11709/15/2018

R4 What do you mean your ‘age starts with a ’t’? Does that mean you’re aged between 20 and 39?

R5 The problem with his 5 or 6 volumes of memoirs is that they cover the same incidents in the same years so they seem messy and repetitious.

R13 I’m sure Dirk would shrivel up and die like a petal if he returned to see the once-Great Britain as a Welfare State toilet filled with apathy, self-hatred, beggars and goat-people blocking the footpaths.

R24 Yootha Joyce specialised in playing ugly women. Her greatest scene was an overwhelming 5 minute Harold Pinter monologue as a crazy woman verbally-assaulting Anne Bancroft at the hairdressers in the 1964 ‘The Pumpkin Easter’. A terrifying character but a great scene for young actors to do at auditions.

R28 You sound like an Alfred Lynch afficionado. He had so few parts that I can hardly remember him. What do you recommend?

R51 Do you recommend Ian McEwan? His prose is so dense I can’t work my way into it.

R55 I wouldn’t say Gielgud ‘came out… spectacularly’. The British were very good at turning a blind eye to the unpleasant things of life especially when the newspapers also ignored this minor police incident.

The version I heard was Ralph Richardson covered for Gielgud rather than Thorndike. In those days the audience applauded when the star actor first appeared on stage (it was accepted behaviour then even though it broke the rhythm of the play). Gielgud feared the audience would refuse to applaud on his entrance so Richardson arranged to appear at the very same moment.

by Anonymousreply 11809/15/2018

R118, R4 is twelve or thirteen.

by Anonymousreply 11909/15/2018

Gay British actor John Fraser who was a good friend of Bogarde. In 2004, he published his autobiography, Close Up, in which he wrote frankly about his gay life and friendships.[7] In the book, Fraser wrote that actor Laurence Harvey was gay and that his long-term lover was his manager James Woolf.[8] Of Dirk Bogarde, Fraser wrote, "Dirk's life with [Anthony] Forwood had been so respectable, their love for each other so profound and so enduring, it would have been a glorious day for the pursuit of understanding and the promotion of tolerance if he had screwed up the courage ... to make one dignified allusion to his true nature. Self-love is no substitute for self-respect."

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R120 John had the perfect lily-faced appearance to play the Lord Alfred Douglas. But it seems he's now hiding that face from the public.

by Anonymousreply 12109/15/2018

R4 = 39 year old

by Anonymousreply 12209/15/2018

[quote][R4] What do you mean your ‘age starts with a ’t’? Does that mean you’re aged between 20 and 39?

He could be two, three, ten, twelve, or thirteen.

by Anonymousreply 12309/15/2018

Dirk was beautiful in those black and white films.

by Anonymousreply 12409/15/2018

DIRK BOGARDE was amazing and very attractive in "Night Porter" with Charlotte Rampling (a movie made in the 70s). I admire him because he never used a "beard", no famous women were beards for him, at that time it was very brave and courageous, so to me D.BOGARDE was a REAL MAN.

by Anonymousreply 12509/16/2018

[quote][R28] You sound like an Alfred Lynch afficionado.

why, because he mentioned him once?

[quote] He had so few parts that I can hardly remember him. What do you recommend?

I think his only starring role was in "West 11" which you can now get on DVD and worth tracking down if you like British films of the early 60s

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A close friend of Judy's

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by Anonymousreply 12709/16/2018

Alfred Lynch was pretty cute. Lived openly with is BF long before other actor's did.

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by Anonymousreply 12809/16/2018

The BF, James Culliford, was also an actor.

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by Anonymousreply 12909/16/2018

Yes, he was the ultimate exemplar of a superior, bitchy queen!

Good thing he isn't alive to see the UK now. I think Joan Collins is only just about hanging on.

by Anonymousreply 13009/16/2018

[quote]other actor's did.

Oh, God - what did I do!

by Anonymousreply 13109/16/2018

He was very attractive in Night Porter, like r125 said and also in Accident (Joseph Losey,1967). He was almost 50 in 1967, but still hot. He had great chemistry with women (Jacqueline Sassard etc.). Maybe because he was such a talented actor.

by Anonymousreply 13209/16/2018

[quote]I admire him because he never used a "beard", no famous women were beards for him, at that time it was very brave and courageous, so to me D.BOGARDE was a REAL MAN.

What about his "romance" with Capucine? The one he had asked to marry.

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R133

I read that was invention of hollywood producers who insisted it was crucial if he wanted career in USA. He was so disgusted that he basically said Fuck Hollywood. But he also was good friends with Capucine. From what i remember, she was very troubled soul.

by Anonymousreply 13409/16/2018

"I’m sure Dirk would shrivel up and die like a petal if he returned to see the once-Great Britain as a Welfare State toilet filled with apathy, self-hatred, beggars and goat-people blocking the footpaths."

I bet a lot of smart Britons shrivel at the thought of right-wingers like you.

by Anonymousreply 13509/16/2018

[quote]I bet a lot of smart Britons shrivel at the thought of right-wingers like you.

I bet R135 is a Labour voter.

by Anonymousreply 13609/16/2018

I bet r136 thinks homosexuality can be cured through prayer

by Anonymousreply 13709/16/2018

If true, asking Capucine to marry him wouldn't have been odd. She was a lesbuan, he was gay. It would have been an ideal Lavender Marriage like many of the period.

by Anonymousreply 13809/16/2018

I want to read that John Fraser book.

by Anonymousreply 13909/16/2018

I think prayer can be cured through homosexuality.

by Anonymousreply 14009/16/2018

R137 Sucker bet. And as a Labour supporter, no surprise.

by Anonymousreply 14109/16/2018

Capucine?? Dyke, ya know!

by Anonymousreply 14209/16/2018

[quote]If true, asking Capucine to marry him wouldn't have been odd. She was a lesbuan, he was gay. It would have been an ideal Lavender Marriage like many of the period.

He did ask her, she said "Gurl, NO!"

by Anonymousreply 14309/16/2018

They were in love, dammit!

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It always surprised me that Capucine wasn't more famous. She was such a beauty. A bit like Ann Firbank, who only ever did bit roles in British films, here in Darling - she had one line.

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She played a lesbian with a jealous lover in The Servant - she had two lines.

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and Accident - she seemed to follow Dirk around.

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I've often wondered if Capucine would've had a bigger career if she'd had two names.....or at least one name that everyone could pronounce.

by Anonymousreply 14809/16/2018

Capucine sounds like a French toothpaste.

by Anonymousreply 14909/16/2018

Yes, it's a terrible name. To me, it sounds like an instant coffee.

by Anonymousreply 15009/16/2018

R126 'West Eleven' sounds like a shocker wth 3 camp men in the cast. And so bizarre that Notting Hill was a slum with race riots then but the race riots have since moved tother suburbs.

I guessed Harold Lang was Eric Portman's bum-boy. They made 3 films together and Harold came to a bad end in Cairo.

R134 Dirk's failure to get into Hollywood can't simply be explained as American homophobia.

Dirk was owned by the J.Arthur Rank Company. He hated Rank because they refused to let him play in Vincente Minelli's 'Gigi' in which he would have been quite good (he looked and sang better than Louis Jourdan).

But he did star in Hollywood films filmed outside of Hollywood ('that Franz Liszt bio with Capucine and 'The Angel Wore Red' in Spain with Ava Gardner). And he made English films with Hollywood ladies (Garland and De Havilland).

And R135. Are you a shrivelling 'smart Briton'?

by Anonymousreply 15109/16/2018

Ann Firbank is here in her hospital bed, in this scene from Behind The Mask - which was Vanessa Redgrave's first ever film. I love the gentle saccharine music playing.

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R145-R152 So is this Ann Firbank woman related to the appalling Ronald?

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CAP-you-seen?

CAP-ooh-sheen?

CAP-you-sheen?

CAP-ooh-seen?

by Anonymousreply 15409/16/2018

R141 must be retarded to be attacking liberal viewpoints on a gay board. Gay conservatives are so moronic and deluded.

by Anonymousreply 15509/16/2018

Germaine Lefebvre marketed herself as " Capucine".

Hollywood brought her because Audrey Hepburn was pricing herself out of all those roles which required a flat-chested, small-voiced, fey, passive European female to drape themselves over an American he-man.

Her face was slightly more angular than Hepburn's but she was a limp as a rag, inaudible and she soon developed bags under her eyes

R148 It seems the French have a tradition of single names; Arletty, Bouvril, Anouk, Fernandel, Miou-Miou, Dalio, Moustache, Kerima, Cantinflas, Topol. I think it originated with the Comedie-Francaise.

R55 Johnnie's predicament was put on stage—

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I thought Capucine was in love with Bill Holden who like S Tracy killed himself with drink.

Well dyke Kate was in love with Tracy. Talk about fluidity in an age when there was no name for it.

by Anonymousreply 15709/16/2018

He helped liberate Belsen. He was superior.

by Anonymousreply 15809/16/2018

Um, Cantinflas and Topol, the famous Frenchmen?

by Anonymousreply 15909/16/2018

Yes, Dalio is Marcel Dalio is Israel Blauschild.

by Anonymousreply 16009/16/2018

He was such a hammy actor. I watched Our Mother's House recently - it was such an amazing film until he showed up halfway through the film. Things only went downhill from there.

by Anonymousreply 16109/16/2018

R154, R161 'CAP-ooh-sheen' was good match for the fey, hammy Dirk.

Google tells me Capusheen was bought, imported, groomed, educated, trained, renamed, traded out, swapped, sold, and marketed by the ghastly Charles K Feldman.

by Anonymousreply 16209/16/2018

[quote]He was such a hammy actor. I watched Our Mother's House recently - it was such an amazing film until he showed up halfway through the film. Things only went downhill from there.

Yes - he was a bad actor who was in some very good films.

by Anonymousreply 16309/16/2018

Capucine - cap-oo-seen (or with a French 'u' for authenticity) is the French word for 'nasturtium.'

by Anonymousreply 16409/17/2018

I guess nobody has seen Death in Venice.

He's not hammy in that.

And Jourdan was perfect in Gigi. You read some nutty stuff on DL that you will not have read anywhere else and never will.

by Anonymousreply 16509/17/2018

R165 Dirk would made a prettier, more eloquent Gaston.

Jourdan's accent struggles to get much nuance or meaning into the lyrics of this long and rather repetitious soliloquy.

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It's well documented that VICTIM actually had a direct and significant impact on the decriminalization of sexual acts between men. Bogarde never came out of the closet, but he took that role when he was at the height of his popularity and success in the UK (he was the number one matinee idol at the time). The courage and sheer bloody-mindedness it must have taken is almost unthinkable, but he did it. He played gay characters in a number of films after that, and consciously veered off into much more interesting territory and for much more distinguished directors. In hindsight it was a genius move, but it could have easily ended his career.

by Anonymousreply 16709/17/2018

[quote]I guess nobody has seen Death in Venice. He's not hammy in that.

Maybe because he hardly says anything.

by Anonymousreply 16809/17/2018

Capucine

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R166 I don't agree but I almost must say I've read a ton of stuff on Minnelli, the Freed unit and Gigi and I've never seen that there were any other considerations for Gaston(there might have been but I've never seen Bogarde's name associated with it) and never seen before here any criticism of Jourdan in the role.

They made a huge mistake taking Jourdan out of Clear Day no matter what problems there were with the voice. He had a star power and charm to play beautifully off of Harris. And he would have been a draw as well.

As good as Cullum could be he just doesn't have that stage magic that I sometimes want to see in a role. He will always be Sir Dinadan next to people like Burton, Andrews and Goulet.

by Anonymousreply 17009/17/2018

Bogarde was not a bad actor at all. I thought he was great in Victim.

by Anonymousreply 17109/17/2018

OT: Has anyone else's mod buttons disappeared?

by Anonymousreply 17209/17/2018

That soliloquy that Louis Jourdan attempts in R166 was designed to echo the soliloquy that Higgins makes in "My Fair Lady" where he examines and realises his true his feelings.

Dirk Bogarde, Rex Harrison and even Stewie would have done a better job than Louis Jourdan in conveying the nuances of the song.

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OK R173 I get it.

Still you're the only one I have ever come across who has ever criticized Jourdan. The film has been around for exactly 60 years and a lot of ink has been spilled about it both positive and negative.

But nobody except you has ever had a problem with any of the casting. Even people who find it distasteful find it impeccably produced.

by Anonymousreply 17409/17/2018

Yes, the film is gorgeous to look at but I agree the story about prostitutes and gloating old men is distasteful.

Bogarde's memoirs discuss his Rank contact owners forbidding him to play Gaston.

Bogarde and Caron did appear together in a small movie 'The Doctor's Dilemma' in England the same year as 'Gigi. And Bogarde and Minnelli were involved in 3 TV shows.

by Anonymousreply 17509/17/2018

But wasn't Louis Jourdan under a long-term contract to MGM in the 1950s? Did that not help in his casting? Anyway, I can't imagine a more perfect Gaston.

I think Dirk would have looked too old and epicene opposite Leslie Caron as the teenaged Gigi. Jourdan managed to look world-weary and still maintain a certain innocence.

by Anonymousreply 17609/17/2018

I always thought Jourdan left On a Clear Day because he realized he was being entirely upstaged by Barbara Harris' brilliance. I don't think he was fired.

by Anonymousreply 17709/17/2018

Louis Jourdan was one of the few French actors who stayed on Hollywood. Even after he was no longer working up until his death. He was known to be a very stable lovely gentleman.

by Anonymousreply 17809/17/2018

By all accounts a miserable cunt.

by Anonymousreply 17909/17/2018

Really? That's the first I've heard. I read he was fired because Lane didn't want him attempting painfully to sing his demanding score.

He wanted a singer in the role which is how Cullum got it. He got a singer but not a star who could match Harris on the playing field.

by Anonymousreply 18009/17/2018

They both had great hair!

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Jourdan was able to play world weary and bored convincingly yet not look tired or a poser. And beautifully handsome without being gay(not that that's a bad thing you just have to have people believe you're hot for women.)

I imagine Bogarde would have been too Noel Coward or Clifton Webb queeny.

by Anonymousreply 18209/17/2018

I absolutely loved him in DARLING with Miss Julie Christie...they had great chemistry onscreen.

by Anonymousreply 18309/17/2018

[quote]I absolutely loved him in DARLING with Miss Julie Christie...they had great chemistry onscreen.

"Your idea of fidelity is not having more than one man in bed at the same time".

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I don’t take whores in taxis...

by Anonymousreply 18509/17/2018

The awards came thick and fast.

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"the idea of breaking up a marriage was utterly repellent to me"

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A pound’s not enough!

by Anonymousreply 18809/17/2018

Two GORGEOUS negroes just went upstairs!

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Alone?

Who, him or me?

Do you think I care who YOU were with?

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Because I’ve stuck it out for as long as I can!!

Yes, and about as often as you can!

by Anonymousreply 19109/17/2018

A man of few words....all of them long.

by Anonymousreply 19209/17/2018

It’s been said that the only men who weren’t her lovers were the ones who had reason to believe that they were her father!

by Anonymousreply 19309/17/2018

How savage we are tonight. Somebody's husband has gone back to his wife.

If he had, you'd have been there to greet him.

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I just wash and comb it.

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She has a wonderfully shaped head.

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Monica. Dirk. Julie.

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Like you black boys, Miles...mind if I take one home?

by Anonymousreply 19809/17/2018

My impotence, my darling, makes a pair with your virginity.

by Anonymousreply 19909/17/2018

You say she has a wonderfully shaped head, R196.

I think her lower lip pouts out one millimetre too far. It is impertinent.

It obviously means she's a slut.

by Anonymousreply 20009/17/2018

What are you ashamed of in Britain today?

Um, talking as a Londoner.. how rife homosexuality has become, in London, itself. I would say again, in retrospect, that a few years back, that, again, two or three years ago, you were very blatantly approached by different people in different places .

by Anonymousreply 20109/17/2018

[quote]You say she has a wonderfully shaped head, [R196].

It's a line from the movie.

by Anonymousreply 20209/17/2018

Normally, I never did charity work. It's usually terribly draggy.

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How do you feel?

Empty.

by Anonymousreply 20409/17/2018

Who is the guy at the far right in r197's photo?

by Anonymousreply 20509/17/2018

We're not complicating our holiday with any of your DISGUSTING sexcapades!

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Brother and sister til death us do part!

by Anonymousreply 20709/17/2018

The guy at the far right in R197's photo is the chauffeur.

by Anonymousreply 20809/17/2018

I'm going to take a job at an American University.

You'll HATE it!

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I shall write.

What will you write about?

YOU!

by Anonymousreply 21009/17/2018

I sucked so many cocks to get where I am now.

(Thankfully, Dirk didn't molest me)

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He is not hammy at all, are you kidding me. He is very restrained actor.

by Anonymousreply 21209/17/2018

Btw, his old Doctor movies that made him famous in UK are hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 21309/17/2018

I adored him in film but I'm quite pleased I never met him. Such a bitch and I would have towered over his small narrow frame.

by Anonymousreply 21409/18/2018

Well, where did all the young flowers go? Proceed, AMUSE ME!!

by Anonymousreply 21509/18/2018

The bitchy queeniness comes through quite strong in all his roles.

by Anonymousreply 21609/18/2018

R156 Another single-named star was the Italian, Valli—

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R217 Why is Valli's name written in different font than the rest of the names are? Unfortunately even the special font didn't help her to become big in the US. There was no place for dark mysterious Euro femme fatales in post-war Hollywood.

by Anonymousreply 21809/19/2018

R218, that's how she was billed in her Hollywood films, Valli in cursive. It was her wordmark. But she actually hated the one word stage name David O. Selznick bestowed upon her. Her real name is a long one, Baroness Alida Maria Laura Altenburger von Marckenstein-Frauenberg.

by Anonymousreply 21909/19/2018

Another Valli film:

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'Valli" was in cursive to show she was unique. She was wild, she was a temptress!

by Anonymousreply 22109/19/2018

That's funny--I never knew she was called just "Valli." I recognize the name Alida Valli much more readily.

by Anonymousreply 22209/19/2018

"Valli" was owned by David O. Selznick.

She did whatever he told her to do.

by Anonymousreply 22309/19/2018

What was the name of the foreign Lesbian who used one name?

by Anonymousreply 22409/19/2018

R224 Capucine

by Anonymousreply 22509/19/2018

Charo?

by Anonymousreply 22609/19/2018

Valli as Alida Valli went onto make one of the all time great Italian films Visconti's Senso. As she's acting in her own language she's able to immerse herself entirely into the role and give a wonderful performance. But she is very good in The Third Man.

I saw it presented at MOMA by Farley Granger Valli's costar in the film and it was shortly after La Fenice was destroyed by arson. The very important opening takes place there during a performance of Trovatore. He mentioned that Visconti needed to move around fixtures in the theater to get the effect he wanted and only someone of his stature, family nobility and connections could have ever done such a thing.

by Anonymousreply 22709/20/2018

R227 Totally agree with you on that one - I consider Valli in Senso and Anna Magnani in Mamma Roma to be the two greatest female performance of all times. There's something about Italian way of acting that is so arresting and seems almost primal. And that dubbing they always did (which is often totally out of sync with mouth movement) adds slightly surreal component to their movies.

And yes, Italian actresses in English-language films always sucked. For a long time I was familiar only with Sophia Loren's Hollywood films and I had no idea why she is considered to be such a legend, because she was horrible in all of them. But then I started to watch her Italian films too and I realized that she really was a movie goddess.

by Anonymousreply 22809/20/2018

Have you seen De Sica's Gold of Napoli? Wow!

by Anonymousreply 22909/20/2018

Have you seen Bogarde being uber-camp in 'Modesty Blasie'? Wow!

Bogarde was so effete that Daphne du Maurier protested to dopey Attenborough when he cast the effeminate Bogarde playing du Maurier's late husband Lieutenant-General Sir Frederick Browning in Attenborough's overlong, episodic "A Bridge Too Far'.

by Anonymousreply 23009/20/2018

I can’t see the video in which he says he is love with Capucine and his sister rolls her eyes.

by Anonymousreply 23109/21/2018

Bump

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