Was Robert Altman a misogynist?

How so? I don't remember The Player being exploitative.

The female story editor is fired and humiliated at the end for no particular reason.

Also the Greta Scacchi character is such an empty vessel... basically a reward for the protagonist.

Didn't Michael Tolkin write those scenes and characters?

Of course not. That's fucking stupid, OP he's a genius.

Yes, isn't he delightful?

I don't know, but his 3 Women is one hell of a movie.

One can be both a misogynist and a genius.

There's also Hot Lips humiliating shower scene in M*A*S*H. I found it funny as a kid, but now it seems misogynistic.

He couldn't keep his hands off me.

Stanley Kauffmann noted that Altman had a fascination with ugly women.

What a fucking stupid non-thread.

And if r2 had been watching the movie at all he would have seen it was because Tim Robbins' character was moving on with Scacchi and cut the old girlfriend loose. Jesus Christ. And is Altman morally responsible for the behavior of his characters?

Idiots.

Whoopi Goldberg’s detective character is also played for as a fool and does a humiliating scene where she talks about tampons during her interrogation of Griffin.

He said he was showing how mean and humiliating Hollywood is to nice people.

The Whoopi tampon thing was to throw off the Robbins character, a police tactic.

I'd argue the opposite. He was the only mainstream director who regularly put male frontal nudity in his movies like Huey Lewis in Short Cuts or Tim Robbins in The Player.

r12=moron.

R14 - and Michael Parks gets down to his underwear in That Cold Day in the Park

If you even watched Nashville, it's got great female characters, including Ronee Blakley and Lily Tomlin. And Julie Christie in McCabe and Mrs. Miller?

Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.

Quentin Tarantino is a misogynist, and a nut - you can see it in his movies.

I think it was Lily Thomlin and Jane Fonda who introduced him for a special award at the Oscars.

Can't get anymore pro-woman than that.

Tom Robbins with Greta Scaatchi at the finale of The Player was the sad and truthful ending recommended by Aristolte in The Poetics.

Opinions vary. OP is not the first person to wonder if Altman was a misogynist.

[quote]Robert Altman, who died in 2006 at 81, is one of the great American auteurs, but re-watching his lauded magnum opus “Nashville,” rereleased and playing at the Kendall on Thursday for its 40th anniversary, can test one’s faith. For about half an hour the sass and freshness seem to have gone flat. Instead it seems glib, mean-spirited, and misogynistic.

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[quote]Yet despite the film’s brilliance, there remains the nagging issue of misogyny. As in many Altman films — from his first big hit, “M*A*S*H” (1970), to “Short Cuts” (1993) to “Dr. T. and the Women” (2000) — a naked woman is humiliated. It’s almost an Altman trademark. Does he do this to expose the evil of misogyny or to indulge in it? Or both?

[quote]His defenders, who include almost all the actresses who have worked with him, insist that Altman was no misogynist and loved women. But there are moments in this film (for example, the bug-eyed beanpole groupie played by Shelley Duvall, who when not chasing after every musician in town strolls around for no purpose other than to show off her transparent underwear), that seem to have less uplifting motivations.

more at link

It was Tomlin and Streep, dummy.

Lol @ r14, there are like ten beaver shots for one penis shot in Short Cuts. And Huey Lewis’s dick is seen while he’s peeing on a dead woman.

Stupidest thread in a long time.

OP has seen exactly two movies of Altman and has made her decision.

And what about the critic at the Boston Globe r25? I suppose you know more than him?

r26--I suppose the critic at the Boston Globe knows more than Pauline Kael? Or than all the actresses who've worked with Altman?

Really, honey, just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

And r26--the answer is yes. I do.

Oh my God--the critic from The Boston Globe??? Well, then--why didn't you say so? So much more intelligent than any other critic or actor. All hail the critic from The Boston Globe!

LA Times then

Read Pauline Kael in The New Yorker, honey. Interview the dozens of actresses who worked with him. How about that?

"a naked woman is humiliated."

Yes. Because depicting something is the same as approving of it.

You're all INFANTS.

This is what happens when not-very-bright people like OP try an intellectual position.

I’ll stop arguing, it’s just one troll having a hissyfit

Was Robert Altman a misogynist? What a fucking stupid non-thread.

And if r2 had been watching the movie at all he would have seen it was because Tim Robbins' character was moving on with Scacchi and cut the old girlfriend loose. Jesus Christ. And is Altman morally responsible for the behavior of his characters?

Idiots.

Was Robert Altman a misogynist? r12=moron.

Was Robert Altman a misogynist? If you even watched Nashville, it's got great female characters, including Ronee Blakley and Lily Tomlin. And Julie Christie in McCabe and Mrs. Miller?

Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.

Was Robert Altman a misogynist? Stupidest thread in a long time.

Was Robert Altman a misogynist? OP has seen exactly two movies of Altman and has made her decision.

Was Robert Altman a misogynist? r26--I suppose the critic at the Boston Globe knows more than Pauline Kael? Or than all the actresses who've worked with Altman?

Really, honey, just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

Was Robert Altman a misogynist? And r26--the answer is yes. I do.

Was Robert Altman a misogynist? Oh my God--the critic from The Boston Globe??? Well, then--why didn't you say so? So much more intelligent than any other critic or actor. All hail the critic from The Boston Globe!

Was Robert Altman a misogynist? Read Pauline Kael in The New Yorker, honey. Interview the dozens of actresses who worked with him. How about that?

Well...

Yeah--so what, r34? I'm sorry that I don't humor idiots.

Karen Black would be blasted by the outrage machine if she were to play a trans character today as did in Altman's Come Back to the 5 and Dime, Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean.

Karen was the only thing worth watching in that turkey.

He had a fling with Faye Dunaway and then froze her out. Hateful bastard.

r39 I actually loved her and thought she was stunning, but honestly, would you want to around that level of, umm...intensity, for any length of time?

Not a feminist for sure.

It is a worthwhile question, asshole fanboys.

He was nice to me.

Lily Tomlin loved working for him. I doubt she would have felt that why if he was a misogynist.

In The Player I always thought the editor is fired and humiliated not because she was a woman but because it was a case of evil triumphing over good. She represented integrity and Altman felt the Hollywood studio system didn't have any.

Ever since I saw Short Cuts I knew this.

the article at r30 was written by: SANDY C. de GRIJS | A UCLA graduate student , de Grijs pursuing a Ph.D in Middle Eastern history with an emphasis on women's history in that area. and

nuff said.

He had a retrograde view on women. Just look at Madeleine Stowe in "Short Cuts". She just stays at home bored to death and didn't care much about her husband cheating on her and treated her like shit.

Nuff said, her gender and expertise invalidates her opinion, R46?

[quote]She just stays at home bored to death

That pretty much describes fifty percent of the women who live on the west side of LA.

Her focus on the middle east and her degree in gender studies indicates her bias.

Plus Altman didn't write the film. It is based on the Short Stories of Raymond Carver.

and Matthew Modine was going to be fully nude in that scene too (as he was in Altman's Streamers) but the studio was uneasy with male nudity and they feared an X Rating so he didn't do it.

Moore has said the scene was done to indicate the lack of boundaries in a long term marriage.

plus they already had Huey Lewis' penis and the MPAA counted things like that. How many penis? But Lewis' was considered nonsexual since he was urinating.

r42=butthurt bitch.

It’s a worthwhile question, asshole R53.

r54, you're still a butthurt bitch and always will be.

R40 Faye's intensity is just what cornball crud like "Cookie's Fortune" and "Prairie Home Companion" needed a shot of.

r56 I meant in a relationship. That's a one and done.

I love 3 Women! That's the only movie I saw by him. I don't know if he is a misogynist, but I don't think depicting something means you actually believe in it.

R57 "I must have misheard you. I thought you said 'one and done'. "