Jane Fonda in Five Acts

Ingrid Bergman should have won the Oscar they gave to Jane for Coming Home in 79

I like her - but really - doesn't she ever get tired of always talking about herself? She strikes me as very vain and egocentric. But, I do like her.

i do not pay for tv which means

no hbo

no showtime

no fx and a few other channels i would like to have. ... i read a bio of her by a woman who has known her for over 50 years and she was a pretty shitty mother, came from such a fucked up family dynamic, was bulimic like crazy and tried to live to please men and it fucked her up......losing a mom to a slashed throat when she was a child did nothing to help her either... i never cared much for her acting 'cept a few things, but i think she has a good heart.

Jane goes around knocking on doors in order to try to help out working class women when she could be sitting on her ass enjoying her millions. She has my respect. She has certainly made mistakes, and she is the first to admit to them. I also happen to think she is a bisexual who would have been better off if she had married another woman.

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She is pretty great, actually.

She did not keep all those millions from her videos...she gave it to a charity or to a political cause, I forget which.

I used to assume she just kept the money and I was fine with it.

I love Jane Fonda. She's had a really interesting life.

All the best to her.

TRAITOR-she can't bring those men whose lives she endangered by working with the VietCong back!

Have you ever bitched about Nixon, R9?

Yes R10. He committed treason as well. Hang them all!

She didn't those men's lives in harms way, R9, politicians like Nixon and McNamara did.

It was a stupid war that should never have happened. Now, over 40 years after it ended, Viet Nam minds its own business and the domino theory that these lying ass politicians were espousing that if Viet Nam fell to the Reds all of southeast Asia would follow was just so much utter and complete bullshit.

Three acts are sufficient, Jane.

Just saw it, really enjoyed it. Her childhood was pretty awful and her choice of men made so much more sense after seeing the doc.

Very well done. It’s fascinating to watch someone’s journey to self actualization.

Ted Turner still has all kinds of Jane Fonda memorabilia all over his Montana ranch. He never got over her! I get why she left him though.

She is one of the few celebrities who interest me, and whom I would love to meet. Joni Mitchell is the other one. They both fascinate me.

She does like to talk about herself a lot it’s true, but she’s also always eloquent and insightful, so it’s ok. No matter what anyone says there are precious few actors or actresses who are actually intelligent.

She actually does have some self awareness, love hearing her speak!

She carries around a lot of guilt about her mother and her kids. When she told daughter Vanessa Vadim they were going to do her life in five acts, she responded: "Why don't they just have a chameleon crawl across the screen."

she is one hell of a survivor on many life issues. bravo jane.

I’ll care about Hanoi Jane’s Five Acts when she apologizes for her treasonous acts during the Vietnam War in her, god forbid, Sixth Act.

She apologized, R22.

How about if you stop whining already?

Ex boyfriend gang fucked her at Yale in 1959(?).

Fonda attended Vassar, R24.

She made the rounds back then. Another friend watched her get ganged fucked at Princeton in an Eating Club. How appropriate! Yale was not coed in 1959, neither was Princeton.

Jane wrote in her autobiography that she lost her cherry to hunky James Franciscus.

Ted Turner was profiled on CBS Sunday Morning by fellow fossil Ted Koppel. Turner has a form of dementia akin to Alzheimer’s. He looks rough, for 80.

What a coincidence that you know both of these braggards, RR24/R26.

Actors and directors she's worked with love her. That says alot. She's no diva. I love her and admire her honesty. Oh, and her son is hot as fuck.

[29] Seeing the Yallie Wednesday night at City Ballet and the Princeton one is dead. He just watched.

The explanation of her Vietnam trip was something I'd never heard before. I can sort of now understand why she did it.

She wrote a very good memoir. She should have kept her word about her third act though. She's become everything she said she wouldn't. Again.

You should get more details then, R31. Her bio is easy to track, for comparison.

What a miserable childhood she had, lots of people would've gone completely nuts. It's to Jane's credit that although she had some personal problems, she managed to keep her shit together for the most part after going through that awful upbringing.

The phoniest phony who ever phonied.

An entire life of bouncing from hypocrisy to hypocrisy.

She made a couple good movies.

Lots of not so good movies.

The poster child for "have good looks to start with but start your cosmetic procedures early on, be very subtle with them. and hire the VERY best people to do them"

R33 I read her bio also - what are you referring to, exactly?

People here were saying she wears wigs. We see her sitting in a chair, getting her hair done. For an 80 year old, she still has beautiful thick hair.

Does she talk about hooking up with Dolly Parton?

I will say she went from being a bland, so-so actress (i.e. Barefoot in the Park) to a great one (Klute and Julia). I love the sexual tension between Jane and Vanessa in Julia.

Fantastic documentary. Saw it last night and loved it.

A shame her kids got none of her looks. They both look like their fug fathers.

Vadim used to hire call girls from Mme. Claude's in Paris and watch Jane do them in their party palace on the Isle de la Cite.

Vadim was a sleaze.

Jane inherited $150K back in 1950 when her mother died. She was completely under Vadim's spell and ended up giving him all the money, which he gambled away. She was jealous of Vadim's closeness to Christian Marquand and Marlon Brando, who would write homoerotic postcards to Vadim as if to show Jane she didn't fit in. She wanted to. Usually people with Jane's background grow up to attract men only to crush them. Jane only wanted to attract. She did whatever her man wanted. There's something noble (and stupid) about that.

r45 it was all tied up in her father. Henry Fonda was an ice-cold prick, a horrible father, and that really did a number on Jane. Every man she was with, she tried to be everything they wanted her to be because she was zero self-esteem.

Come to think of it most, if not all, of the classic Hollywood stars were awful parents. Katharine Hepburn was the only one with common sense; she said in her later years that she knew very early on that she was too self-involved and career-focused to have children. She knew she would've been a terrible mother and she never regretted her decision not to have kids.

Love her. She's sweetheart, too.

R28, "rough, for 80"? REALLY?? Do you have any concept of how OLD 80 is?!

As someone above stated, her son is very attractive, a considerable accomplishment since his father is a troll. Ditto Vanessa's father, despite the anti-bourgeoise bullshit he was always spouting. The son seems genuinely fond of his mom, as well as proud of her. Since Vanessa did not appear in the documentary, I'm gathering she's not a fan of her mother. Jane even alluded to their rocky relationship.

Of her three husbands, Ted Turner was THE one, and she was giddy as a school girl when she described their initial meeting. Ted Turner has BDF.

It couldn't have been easy for Vanessa, having a drop-dead gorgeous mother but looking exactly like her troll of a father. Genetics can be a real bitch sometimes.

She's a fascinating woman- looking always to improve, live better and contribute to the common good. Yeah she blew it in Hanoi, but she was 100% correct about the war.

Don't feel bad for Vanessa Vadim. Her (second) husband is really good looking.

I'm surprised she chose to live in the US instead of France.

I guess they will bury the eating disorders with Jane herself. Give the woman a burger.

No 80 year-old has hair that thick without extensions. Hers are state of the art.

The funny thing about the whole "Hanoi Jane" charge is that in 1954 she was named "Miss Army Recruiting" by the Pentagon and went around talking up the patriotic satisfaction of serving one's country.

R54, they showed her sitting in a chair with her hair up in clips while the stylist was blowdrying her hair. It looked like a full head of hair to me. If they used extensions, they did a good job in hiding it.

Love this recent pic with Redford. She looks like she just got asked to the prom.

Oh for Christ sake enough with the it was all Henry Fonda’s fault. Nearly every man of that WWII generation was reserved and emotionally unavailable. Give it a rest, Jane. You were a horrible, embarrassing daughter. Perhaps that’s why Hank didn’t get all the feels around you.

Jane talks (or not) about her bisexuality:

For years there were rumors that Jane was gay or bisexual. “Look,” she said once, “can’t we leave something to the imagination?” She added, “Frankly, I’ve probably done everything. But I will never write about my sex life unless I write about it in a novel.”

I wonder what Dolly thinks about this:

R58 sexually plowed repeatedly as a child.

More:

"She hated Vadim’s idea of “an arrangement,” but she kept silent, rationalizing that she had to put up with it in exchange for the emotional security Vadim gave her: “I didn’t want to be alone,” she wrote. “I still felt that it was my relationship with him, however painful, that validated me.” So she didn’t object when he brought home a beautiful redhead, a high-class call girl from Madame Claude’s, the most elegant brothel in Paris. Jane wrote, “I . . . threw myself into the threesome with the skill and enthusiasm of the actress that I am.” The threesomes would continue throughout most of their marriage, even while they filmed La Curée, Vadim’s most imaginative, sardonic sexual fantasy.

Occasionally Jane herself did the soliciting. But she maintained she never got much pleasure from the threesomes. What a tangled web their marriage was. Jane seemed to be devoting so much energy to maintaining a double standard for herself."

Makes sense now about the story I heard of Jane having to peg Ted Turner every night

I wish Jane would talk about her bisexuality.

Not a big fan though I have seen all of her good work. But I did enjoy this documentary. Very good.

Vadim was scum. However, when she left him, it sounded like she left her daughter too. Sad.

It was very good. The comment from her step daughter about how Jane just moved on (when she divorced Vadim and moved back home) and started a new life was right on.

The only hokey cheesy thing was her visiting for the first time her mother's grave in the dead of winter with a bundle of roses, a camera crew and in full hair and makeup.

To move from France back to the USA especially back when there was no email, no cell ohones, international calls were often poor connections, etc. one can understand how the break may have seemed absolute. Especially to a kid.

But there was no mention that Vadim used his kid to hurt Jane by keeping her from Jane And that was the case.

An episode of Frankie and Grace showed Jane's character taking off all of her cosmetics and "stuff" and it included a ton of clip-on hair extensions. It was a brave scene for her to film.

Do we think Jane and Redford ever fucked?

I think Jane and Dolly have.

[quote]The only hokey cheesy thing was her visiting for the first time her mother's grave in the dead of winter with a bundle of roses, a camera crew and in full hair and makeup.

Hokey my ass. That's a STAR, baby!

Jane Fonda was not bad in This is Where I Leave You. She's not funny at all in Grace and Frankie. It's a pretty bad show. I think she's forgotten how to act.

I really tried to like Grace and Frankie but I just couldn't get into it.

I think Lily has to take some of the credit for Grace and Frankie. She doesn't give Jane much to work with in their scenes. Jane needs to engage and Lily comes off a little flat (or stoned).

In the documentary, Vanessa is in all the photos of Jane and Tom Hayden and Troy. I assumed she lived with them in Santa Monica.

R66 Jane Fonda is a movie star what do you expect?

Jane is showbiz through and through.

Why no mention of her last partner? They weren't married, but they lived together for quite a few years.

R75 they really did kind of walk the walk back in the day though. I sure wouldn’t have lived in that shack.

I imagine that the shack, if it still exists, is worth a fortune now. It was right by the beach.

R79 well if it’s renovated at least somewhat yes. But no one would tolerate a non kitchen like that today

The “Hanoi Jane" trolls are idiots. What she did was an attempt to end the loss of lives in all countries involved in horrible, idiotic, pointless "war" that could never be won. Republicans caused this crisis and therefore killed untold numbers of young Americans for a lost, fruitless, pointless cause. Anything can be taken out of context, but her absolute focus on saving both American and Vietnamese lives was a great one and was a cause that she literally gave up everything in order to champion. Some people either have their heads up their ass, do not understand actual history or they are just trying to stir a pot of Republican hypocrisy and deflection. She is a hero through and through - always has been and always will be in my book. She champions the underdog, yet still loves each and every human life as rule. Jane is an icon.

Actually, R81, John F. Kennedy, the Dem. POTUS started the war in Vietnam. Yes, it was a wasteful and fruitless war, just like the one in Iraq and Afghanistan. At least the Vietnam war ended, I doubt we will ever get out of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Jane outgrew every man she was with. I would never have left Ted Turner. When she left him, he was still a handsome, sexy guy and wealthy beyond words. Plus, they seemed like soul mates. They should have worked something out because he obviously really loved her and still does.

Jane found Jesus. Ted found another woman. She's a fraud, but she believes herself.

Sorry, R82. You are correct, but once it becomes obvious that a war no longer has a point - it should have been examined and reconsidered.. It was not. Jane helped to whack the ball over the net to the other side of the court. Every American needed a wake-up call and most of the younger for the time generations did just that.

I loved the doc thought it was perfect. Of course she talks about herself that is what interviews are about. Her life has been remarkable and it is a stunning story of a young girl growing up in the shadow of severe mother loss in the worst of all possible circumstances. The message she shares is about growing up as a “Motherless daughter” and the insecurities that followed her for most of her life.

Jane has lived a life of compassion and caring for others. Her teen pregnancy project in Atlanta has been tremendously successful and enabled thousands of young women to live fulfilling lives. I used to care about her Jesus phase - imagine she is cooler about it too since that was a while ago.

Recently Jane said that she is extremely close to Ted now and spends a great deal of time with him. His illness is quite heartbreaking, she must be devastated. She is a very good person.

R16 Why did she leave?

R46

And, the fact that Hepburn was a big ole carpet munching lesbian probably also deterred her from having kids. too.

And, those mannish hips could never have squeezed out a kid.

It sounded like Jane left him because he was too possessive of her time and wanted her around him all the time. She was an activist at heart and had to suppress that part of her.

[quote] The message she shares is about growing up as a “Motherless daughter” and the insecurities that followed her for most of her life.

And yet, her daughter grew up almost motherless. She wasn't there for her daughter in her early years. It was kind of heartbreaking at the end, when she said this documentary was made for her daughter because she knew how badly she had hurt her, as an absent mother. It's like a parting gift to her daughter because she knows her time is limited.

A really well done and honest overview of her extraordinary life. I thought it was excellent.

R90 it would be inevitable that she had a lot of space between herself and her daughter - definitely not an “an yet” - absolutely a “what did you expect?”

Also Ted had an affair with Janes best female friend in Atlanta and she caught them in the act. She spotted her bestie pull up in a limo and head into his office just as she was about to pull off. A lot of sneaking around and betrayal towards Jane. Ted was a philanderer - even with his female corporate pilot.

As Abby Hoffman said in the documentary, Fonda could have led an “easy, sterile” life if she wanted to do so. She was born into the 1% with good looks and family connections. Instead she continually challenged herself to grow as a person. I think she’s fascinating.

She’s a also a traitor so there’s that.

She looked really good until they filmed her next to a window and you could see the makeup and cracks

Total and complete bullshit, R94. You got a problem with the Viet Nam War, you need to talk to Henry Kissinger, one of its chief architects. And if they were alive, you need to bitch to JFK, LBJ, Robert McNamara, Nixon and a whole lot of other culprits. But like most Deplorables, you haven't got the balls to challenge those in power, so you'll chose an easy target like Jane Fonda.

You want traitors? How about all these assholes like you who supported this travesty, despite all current and past evidence to the contrary that this "war" was a quagmire that wasn't good for anybody except McDonnell Douglas and other weapons manufacturers.

I like Jane Fonda, a fine actress who’s had a fascinating life.

As far as her moving on from people, Roger Vadim wrote a revealing anecdote about Fonda in his book “Bardot Deneuve Fonda”: In the late 1960s, Vadim and Fonda became very good friends with screenwriter James Poe and his then-girlfriend/later-wife, horror movie icon Barbara Steele. Poe had written a screenplay for “They Shoot Horses, Don’t They?” and was attached to the project to make his directorial debut. Fonda was set to play the lead of Gloria, and Steele the newly-created role of fragile starlet Alice. After Poe was removed from the project and replaced as director by Sydney Pollack, and Steele was replaced by Susannah York, Fonda (Vadim felt) dropped them completely as friends. He chalked it up to Hollywood survivor instinct, but it gave him pause as to how she could cavalierly move on from people — as she eventually did with Vadim as well.

One of the Vadim/Fonda quotes I like is when he got sick and had to be taken to the hospital. The ambulance arrived and Jane got in. Suddenly both Deneuve and Bardot turned up as well and piled in. Tight fit. Everyone was very serious and attentive. Finally one of them said, "Oh my God, he's green!" and Bardot said "That's because he's a Martian" and they all started laughing.

When Vadim died all four of his ex wives showed up at the funeral. Plus, his current wife, Barrault.

Brigitte BARDOT, Annette STROYBERG, Catherine SCHNEIDER, Marie-Christine BARRAULT, Jane FONDA.

Jane Fonda is the rare actress who looks like she would be very, very good at giving blowjobs.

Judging by what I saw when she played Password, I would say she is quite adept at pleasing women. Still think she would have been better off marrying another woman.

Jane admitting she is willing to do anything (and I mean anything) Lily Tomlin wants her to.

Jesus lord and christ, our heavenly savior. Jane Fonda has lived a life defined by men and fucking men. Some high quality men and some she left out. Most every part of her life is a direct reaction or subconscious direction or purely cosmetic desire to please, keep or hold a man. That's a bad sentence. She breaks up with them because she never fully unites with them but that doesn't make her a lesbian. She's a damaged woman who is probably a good fuck. Lesbians do LOVE that opportunity. The equivalent power of priesthood. But Just cuz Jane made a show of eating pussy for Vadim doesn't make her lesbionic. Her voice IS Jodie Foster sexy though. Low and determined, masculine in a way. To say that lady love would cure a crazy lady of 80 is to refute that - that part of her life is over. She won't even say it herself. But it is. Jane only discovers what is currently happening to her. Within that parameter she's been an intelligent and thoughtful woman who tries to do good. A heartbroken human being like most of us, she is not. Her heart is full and hollow like a cactus tree.

I don't think she is a lesbian. I think she is bisexual who would have been better off with another woman. There is a thread on the L Chat of examples of her bisexuality, and they do not include her threesomes with Vadim.

r103 you have to remember the generation Fonda is from.

Forgot the link.

What to do when strolling through a cafe in Paris? Why, bum a drag from a hot young Frenchman's cigarette, of course!

God, I love her.

^^^ Isn’t that Shawn Pyfrom???

I'm a guy and she reminds me of my elegant older lady lesbian friends. She really does. And she did say she is her most authentic self when with other women.

I found that an interesting remark as I don't believe I've ever contemplated authenticity in relations. Very much enjoyed the doc.

Jane has definitely had an interesting life for sure.

I loved it. I still wonder who abused her as a child. She admitted to childhood abuse and rape to Brie Larson in an interview.

Exactly, R109. I think Jane would have found contentment if she had been in an LT relationship with another woman that she doesn't appear to have had with any of her husbands/boyfriends. Maybe she would have had a marriage similar to her good friend Lily (she has been with her wife for 47 years).

Except that Jane is a neurotic nut job who lies to herself and all her partners. And the World. Her composure is a lie. No one forces you to marry Ted Turner. There are some very bad stories about the ideas and politics Jane adopted and espoused when she was with him. She laughed at some of the exploits and causes she wants people to believe she risked her life for today. Fonda is nothing if not complicated. She didn't seek happiness with another woman and her pussy couldn't be cured by your old cat tongues. She's always been unhappy and felt unworthy of love. She suffered from too much insight. No one looks as good as Jane Fonda over the years by accident. Not to diminish her real struggles but she never spent much time paralyzed by grief with whiskey and Haagen Daaz. She's very masculine in that she keeps moving and always believes she has something important to accomplish. Her feminine side enjoys telling everyone about it in detail. She takes a lot of responsibility for her life - considering she is a woman who ultimately blames someone else.

She’s a person of contradictions. That’s what makes her so compelling as an artist and person. But she’s also someone who has insight into her faults and has made conscious decisions (rightly or wrongly) to work on them. She is someone who has taken ownership of her life as she has grown older, and I admire that quality.

Vanessa is 50 years old. When is she going to stop being such a resentful cunt about her mother?

R115, I know, right?

When they divorced didn't some woman sell her stories to the tabs that she had threeways with Jane and Ted? I remember there being something about this.

The traitors are the people trying to hide the brutality American soldiers inflicted on the civilian population during Nam. There is a reason the entire country turned against the military and that is it. Go watch the doc that was on TCM recently of the soldiers coming home telling stories of the rapes and murder they committed. They admit tgey were racist and sexist. At least they had remorse, but the trash trying to change the facts of what we did there are traitors. I can't stand Southern or Nam apologists.

My dad still has a massive crush on her.

Isn't she just a bit too self-involved?

She is the PERFECT Datalounge Diva:

(1) Crazy, traumatized mother who couldn't love her adequately,

(2) Suffocatingly narcissistic and distant father who couldn't love her adequately,

(3) Low self-esteem due to personal appearance (i.e. fat) and not receiving adequate affection from her parents,

(4) Attracted only to self-absorbed men with monstrous egos who wanted to control her,

(5) suffered from bulimia and anxiety,

(6) found purpose in life by enraging the nation and annoying the shit out of everyone,

(7) workout obsession to combat body image issues,

(8) survivor

(9) getting the last laugh at 80, living her best life while all of her tormentors and detractors are dead.

That's how I want to live but I am only on step 5.

[quote]considering she is a woman who ultimately blames someone else.

Did you even watch the doc? She was very forthcoming about blaming herself for the fuckups she'd made in life.

I had only basic knowledge about the Hanoi Jane controversy, but watching the doc, I was shocked by some of the things she said and her attitude in general. I also didn't like that all these years later she still talks of the soldiers who gave interviews about their experience as POWs, as being used as propaganda by the gov't. I find that attitude incredibly arrogant. It basically implies that these men were too stupid or naive to see through the manipulation. She has no idea what these men were thinking and feeling about anything at all. I know she is very smart, and I consider myself a fan, but I dislike that kind of arrogance.

Fonda worked tirelessly as an anti war activist from 1970 till 1975, and worked with (and donated a lot of money to) Vietnam Veterans Against the War. I only mention this because it tells me that she knows a thing or two about what she talks about, maybe even that she "has an idea what these men were thinking and feeling."

And, yes, the right and the government used the POWs as their propaganda tool. Those POWs were in minority, though. The majority embraced the anti war movement.

Why won't Robert Redford do at least a little facial botox???

I had no idea Fonda's exercise video is still the #1 selling video and was one of the big spurs for people to start buying VCRs

Jane had an amazingly interesting life. Sure, it helped that she came from a celebrity and wealthy family, but she also made it on her own--as an actress, activist, and video exercise star.

I do think he let the men in her life mold her a bit much--like a chameleon, she did whatever her father/husband at the time wanted.

What she did in Hanoi was just fine and may have even prevented Nixon from bombing lots of dams and killing even more Vietnamese. She showed that the war was an utter immorality and a stain on our history.

I think she finally has the strength to be herself without a man beside her.

I believe that Jane Fonda is one of very, very few children of Hollywood who would've made it on her own anyway, without nepotism. Michael Douglas and Liza Minnelli also come to mind. Not many others, though.

I once remember reading something about Vanessa and Troy getting really upset at Ted Turner's place because he had black maids, or something. But that may have been at Fametracker.

[quote] I only mention this because it tells me that she knows a thing or two about what she talks about, maybe even that she "has an idea what these men were thinking and feeling."

Um, no. Saying that the POWs---which are the people I was talking about in my post-- that came home were lying about being tortured is incredibly idiotic and callous. She claims the Vietcong stopped torturing prisoners 3 years before she ever went there. Not true. And like Jane, it is incredibly arrogant to assume you know what these POWs felt about talking to the public about their experiences.

R129, why do you and so many others insist Fonda pay a price for her actions, while those who started, promulgated and prolonged this idiotic war, Democrats and Republicans alike, get a free pass. Henry Kissinger, war monger supreme, is still alive, why not start a campaign to try him for war crimes and putting American lives at risk.

And while we're at it, I'll bet your the type that attacked the Dixie Chicks for their condemnation of the invasion of Iraq. Like every other Deplorable who backed this fiasco, you're more than willing, though, to give Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney and Dubya a get-out-of-jail free card.

love her

[quote]Um, no. Saying that the POWs---which are the people I was talking about in my post-- that came home were lying about being tortured is incredibly idiotic and callous. She claims the Vietcong stopped torturing prisoners 3 years before she ever went there. Not true. And like Jane, it is incredibly arrogant to assume you know what these POWs felt about talking to the public about their experiences.

You really need to pay attention to what people write before you respond. I never implied that I personally knew what the POWs might have felt and thought. If I assumed anything is that Fonda might have known what she was talking about - she spent enough time in the anti-war movement to get firsthand knowledge of what the Vietnam vets and POWs went through.

Anyway, were you there talking to Vietnam vets? Who made you an expert?

[quote]She claims the Vietcong stopped torturing prisoners 3 years before she ever went there. Not true.

Did she say that in the documentary? I will have to re-watch the film to confirm what you wrote. Unless you can provide a link.

One of my cable stations has been showing [italic] Barbarella [/italic] this week. I watched it twice already.

More about her issues with Ted Turner:

Fonda writes that her religious conversion coincided with the realization that Turner had never stopped cheating on her.

A month into their marriage, she found out he'd had a "nooner" with another woman. She confronted him and bashed him over the head with a mobile phone.

Through counseling, they eventually reconciled, but Fonda had more disappointments to come.

"He had spent our whole last year together looking for my replacement," she writes. "The day we parted, three days after the millennium, he flew to Atlanta to drop me off. As I drove from the airport to [my daughter's] home in a rental car, my replacement was waiting in the hangar to board his plane. My seat was still warm."

Jane Fonda had nothing at all to apologize about. It's just a bunch of triggered deplorable snowflakes mad because someone was telling the truth about their stupid war in which so many lives we're lost for no fucking reason.

She should have never apologized to a bunch of measurable deplorable assholes. I love Jane and people need to stop being mean to her.

Assholes are jealous because Jane got to be a movie star and they didn't. Jealous ugly roaches.

I didn't recognize him in the documentary. He's gotten fat, older and senile while she vibrant and looks good for her age. The breakup was difficult for him but she got out and became stronger. One thing about Fonda is she rises above adversity and remakes herself again.

Did Jane really think that a billionaire narcissist egomaniac was going to remain faithful?

Jane and her good friends from college. All of them are lesbian.

A book was written.

She made Benedict Arnold look like a patriot. This is why she is universally loathed by our boys in uniform.

Jane looks like she could be their daughter.

This show oddly made me dislike her. She was a crazy shrew, and all the psychological mumbo jumbo was annoying. Ditto her plastic surgery and ego.

She looks so much like her father but before her plastic surgery she looked even MORE like her father. Had she never gotten any work done - she would probably look like a Henry Fonda clone at this age and stage.

Jane looked the most like Henry when she made "The Dollmaker".

God, I love Jane Fonda. Every chapter of her life was positively riveting to me.

FYI the “Vets” I’ve known that were aggressively vocal in opposition to her were, to the individual, capable of ugly violent outbursts bordering on the physical. She was totally right about the awful damage they experienced in the profiteering war of choice called Vietnam. Anything that Jane, her colleagues in FTA (Free The Army) did to hasten the end of that brutal assault on the young, poor vulnerable men of America deserves our understanding and acknowledgment. Those guys mostly returned in tact I suppose but a huge percentage were destroyed for the rest of their interior lives. She apologized every day of her life for the stupid photo op she was led in to - as opposed to Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan and every fucking Republican kidnapping the toddlers, infants and children of brown people trying to legally immigrate to America while they say NOTHING.

Maybe Jane should date a woman next.

Just watched They Shoot Horses, Don’t They? That was really powerful.

R147 Great role and performance, although, as reviewers noted, she sounded like she was from Vassar not Texas. The novel it's based on is very powerful.

The derby scenes in “They Shoot Horses, Don’t They?” were extremely harrowing, especially the second one with Jane Fonda and Red Buttons — and that it’s followed immediately by Susannah York’s big scene is quite the one-two punch.

I sense a little disdain in Troy's remarks about his father. The scene where he's talking about spending birthdays in war zones and how an activist got his finger blown off and Hayden rubbed a napkin in the blood and held it up in his face said to his (five-year-old) son "This is your blood!!" Crazy. He must have seen the hypocrisy pretty young. And then all of a sudden his mother marries Ted Turner and he's flying on private jets to million-acre ranches.

No wonder Scotty was always smiling.

Oops. Wrong thread.

R94 What unit did you serve with in Vietnam?

She was ahead of her time. I've always liked her.

I wouldn't say that Fonda was ahead of her time. She latched on briefly to various movements but she never was ahead of anyone. She's an interesting woman who lived an interesting life. She tends to play up her time living in vans, jungles and teepees but she's had a pampered life of luxury. No one has had so much freedom, time, goodwill and support to examine herself as thoroughly as Jane Fonda. I am sure I can see all there is too her. She can't have anything or experience left to describe. She IS intelligent and great looking and was a great actress and activist. Bitch leaves me cold now. She was no particular champion of civil rights, feminism or the LGBT community. So many other stars were. More admirable and bravely so. Fonda's greatest act of bravery is also her greatest act of stupidity. I don't even have an opinion on it, but there is so much ego in all she does. She's interesting as fuck, but not a hero or role model for anyone.

Her written English is better than yours, R155. There's that.

Nope.

Yes, it is. Read her blog. Or watch the documentary, for that matter.

There is something haltingly languid about R155s post. It carves down the ice to the cold heart of Jane Fonda. Pure poetry. RIP Jane.

Was Jane Fonda and Elizabeth Taylor friends? I really want to know.

Thanks!

Obviously you don't know what "ahead of her time" means R155. At the end of your post you wrote " I don't even have an opinion on it..." Well your comment was pure opinion and not factual, but please continue with your no opinions.

The quagmire of Vietnam still haunts survivors to this day. Sending 18 year old boys off to that godforsaken place to try and halt Communism in Asia. So many dead. It was immoral, esp. when you saw the class difference of those who went and those who stayed home. I was a high school dropout with a low lottery number in the draft back in 1972. I expected to go but broke my leg just before my physical. Returning vets were spat upon and cursed for their involvement. Jane apologized for her stupidity but at least she cared about the 60,000 kids who died over there. Nixon sure didn't, until he was forced to end the draft, which is what saved me when my leg healed and I was ready to be sent off to cannon fodder. I admire Fonda. JFK, LBJ and Nixon never apologized for what they did.

r140 wrong. You pulled that square out of your ass. The only people who obsess over this are people who didn't serve and people who pretended they served or people who served in Vietnam and are now so fucking old it doesn't matter what they think.

I can't stand the goddamn Vietnam Vets and their endless whining for handouts. Most of those assholes spent a year in country, drunk off their asses or stoned. Came back and got a free ride in college and have gotten benefits for life. Everyone who served after them? NOT A DAMN THING! Why? Because you fucks bankrupted the VA. There's no money left. There's no needs based assessment, but by god you've got your hands and grasping for every damn cent.

So every veteran who served *vastly* longer than you greedy fucks is a Group 7 or 8 veteran and is denied all benefits so you fatass cart riding jackasses can continue to whine about your 10 months in Vietnam and lecture us about the War You Lost. The rest of us don't get shit, can't get any benefits of any kind because you continue to drain the Veterans Affairs budget of every available center, regardless of your actual need. Because you can.

So shut the hell up already. You think the rest of us didn't have to put up with crap because of you? For years after Vietnam and your goddamn misconduct we got spit on and harassed because of your murders of civilians. That's on you - not Jane Fonda. How many children did you spawn over in Vietnam that we wound up taking in here because you were too damn stupid to use a condom? How much has that cost us? Hint: Jane Fonda wasn't fucking whores in Vietnam. You asshats left tens of thousands of children behind and the US got to clean up your mess. NOT JANE FONDA.

Stop project on Jane for your problems. Whatever she did, she apologized for. You never have. She's more of a man than you ever were and ever will be. You're a bunch of Trump cock suckers.

She’s cool, smart and active. But she was given a ton of privilege so I have a hard time sympathizing with the tough times. And she is an actress who definitely has narcissism built in (ex, always focused on taking care of herself and dumping everyone and moving on completely - while “strong”- is also not particularly caring to those around you). A good biography but I’m hesitant to make a hero out of her. Others suffered and struggled and gave more but don’t get the recognition because they are not celebrities.

I realized her mother first married a millionaire who was originally married to Clare Booth Luce, owned one of the biggest mansions in NYC at 79th and Fifth and died by the time she was 27. So she was totally loaded - and likely a gold digger as Clare left him for being an alcoholic abuser. So while she killed herself, she had everything. Mental illness sucks though.

Only poor folk think money cures all.

[quote]A good biography but I’m hesitant to make a hero out of her.

I think Jane Fonda is the last person who would call herself a hero. That is clear from her book and this doc (her biography is way better than the documentary, in my opinion).

I mean, her (well written) autobiography.

Excellent points about Fonda’s propensity for “moving on”, R164 — this was mentioned in the documentary and upthread in the post about Vadim and their friendship with James Poe and Barbara Steele. Fonda’s stepdaughter Nathalie Vadim poignantly pointed out in the documentary the loss she felt from Fonda’s moving on.

FTA meant Fuck the Army not Free the Army.

nice doc, great interesting life. A lot of people from Fonda's life appeared but not her brother Peter. Are they close?

Jane's quotes about bearding. OMG, I can totally understand wanting to be with her. I would. I'm wondering who the famous actor was she's referring to.

"When I was young, I was the female that gay guys wanted to try to become heterosexual with," she said. "A very famous actor who’s gay – and I will not name names – asked me to marry him."

She added: "I was very flattered, but I said: 'Why?' This was 1964.

"And I mean, he wasn’t the only one. It’s very interesting. And I lived for two years with a guy who was trying to become heterosexual. I’m intimately acquainted with that."

Fonda also spoke about her friendship with politician and gay-rights campaigner Harvey Milk. She said: "He was the most joyous. He was like Allen Ginsberg. He was always smiling and laughing, and he was beloved and he was funny. The most lovable person.

"I was so happy when I was with him. And it was just so much fun going into those gay bars with him - oh my God!"

Peter Fonda is a reformed Wake & Baker who is now a right winger. From 2014:

While Peter toiled in indie films his sister became a multi award-winning star. "We're different. Jane is driven. I'm a driver." He says they don't see each other as much as he'd like. He loathed her second husband, activist Tom Hayden. "That commie prevert [sic] had my sister and he used her for his own ends. Frankly he's lucky he's still alive." He also had harsh words for President Obama over the BP oil spill and sent an email calling him a ******* traitor. "He let foreign boots tell Americans what we could or could not do. That is not serving your country."

[quote]"A very famous actor who’s gay – and I will not name names – asked me to marry him."

Anthony Perkins was out as at least bi so I doubt it was him R173.

1964 was during the time she was making movies with Vadim. I think she had two releases that year: She starred in Circle of Love with nobody famous, and Joy House with Alain Delon.

Delon was bi. I don't know if he wanted to marry Fonda since she was with Vadim. He had long term relationships with women but plenty with guys too (not so long-term). Champion of Gay Rights. Here's a short clip contrasting Damon and Delon in "The Talented Mr. Ripley."

Was her mother, Frances Brokaw, related to Tom?

I think it’s a different Brokaw. Janes mom’s first husband was part of a department store family named Brokaw from NY area.

I’d be really curious how a girl from small town Canada comes to NYC and gets one of the richest men in town to marry her. He was a much older severe alcoholic and abuser who no one would marry because of his beauty and kindness. Clare Booth Luce- his first wife - was a shameless gold digger who was the first to nab him - and even she had to leave him because of the abuse and alcoholism.

She didn’t commit treason. Treason is giving aid and comfort to the enemy in war. Congress never declared war. Vietnam was a “police action.”

That’s why Trump can’t be charged with treason. We’re not at war with Russia (or any other country he’s given US intelligence to)

I think that is a great idea, R146.

80 year olds don't date. They play scrabble.

I enjoyed Jane's book, how does this one compare?

I read it R182. Patricia Bosworth is a great writer and friends with Fonda, which probably doesn't help the book. I haven't read Jane's autobio but this one was just okay. Bosworth admits Jane was probably holding back for her own book.

R171, Could it have been Roddy?

Joan Collins has said in interviews that Warren Beatty was dating Jane when she first met him. At a dinner in France years ago, all during the meal, Warren kept telling Brigitte Bardot how much he wanted to eat her pussy, with Jane sitting right there at the same table.

My older brother had sex with Roddy McDowell and almost with the creepy guy from Psycho at the old Four Seasons in Toronto. My hunky Italian brother worked as a busboy in The Hazelton Lanes and they invited him and another hot cute straight guy back to the hotel to party. The eighties were a wild time y'all. Roddy was very nice my brother said, the drank and did lots of coke and lots of oral and making out in the bed. He paid him $200 for his trouble. I can't remember the name of the guy from Psycho but my brother wouldn't fuck him. Maybe Jane did. She implied that Warren Beatty was gay at his AFI ceremony. A lot of people thought that Warren was a latent homosexual.

Jane probably had already eaten Bardots pussy.

Ugh. It’s sad Jane was such a bad parent. She was always bleating about her own mean Daddy. The cycle of abuse continues...

I never thought she was pretty because she looks exactly like Henry Fonda. I just can’t see a woman who looks like a man as being pretty.

I only saw part of the broadcast. Was her daughter Vanessa interviewed?

r189 Jane was GORGEOUS in the 60s.

More gorgeous 60s Jane...

She was entitled WASP when that meant everything. And she always exercised so has more longevity than most.

I wondered if their paths ever crossed. REALLY wish I could find a longer video.

Besides this one.

I'm going to venture something here that I have no proof of. I don't believe that Fonda and Lily Tomlin are good friends in real life. Jane lived the life of a slutty dilettante, always humping the current best cause, some of them quite obscure. She literally raised hundreds of millions of dollars to support Tom Hayden's failed political career and infidelities. With Turner she turned to native rights, wildlife preservation, Jesus and poor black pregnant girls. What else is there to do in Atlanta and Montana between breast augmentations?

Lily is more of an artist who grows impatient with foolish people. Jane often seems foolish.

[quote]And she always exercised so has more longevity than most.

She was bulimic/anorexic and smoked cigs for decades.

I think Lily loves Jane and admires her activism but keeps a certain distance out of respect for her wife since she knows Jane has feelings for her. Check out the video at R102. Jane has said she would love to kiss Lily. Just look at the way Jane looks at Lily at times. I am pretty sure she has had sexual thoughts about her friend.

I love Grace and Frankie. It’s my favorite Netflix show. It would be a drag to do a show like that for 5 seasons if you don’t like your co-star. They obviously like each other very much.

They need to get Dolly Parton to guest-star next season.

I think that Lily likes Jane now, but not so much back then. 9 to 5 Fonda was her most maniacal period. Humorless, dangerously thin and more interested in socialist propaganda than acting or turning out a good product. Fonda packaged people and products to deliver her message but she was often the weakest link in them. Fonda turned out one lecturing performance after another. In her very detailed and LONG autobiography she had very little to say about acting. Fonda didn't seem to love it. She was never as invested in the performance as much as she was in the product messaging or pleasing the man of the moment. Not after Klute anyway. Lilly cares about the work, always, and remaining creative within it. Fonda holds a million meetings, private jets off for a few hours to protest a pipeline and returns to speak her lines. She's literally distracted and has become a very lazy and wooden actress over time.

Pauline Kael said "we briefly get a glimpse of the Jane Fonda who used to be an actress in Agnes of God, but"....and even that quote was 30 years ago.

Dolly will never film anything with Jane Fonda EVER. Dolly enjoys success and keeps her secrets to herself.

I thought all three women were signed on for the 9 to 5 sequel. Isn't that finally about to happen? I think it's just the right time for it, honestly.

Troy Garrity is hot as hell.

Stop being an idiot R122, of course they were used as propaganda.

Love the part in Fonda's book where she goes swimming with Greta Garbo. Garbo, nude, Jane in a swimsuit, they swim up to each other and Garbo tells her. "You will become an actress." "No," says Fonda. "Well, you're pretty enough." Fonda says she followed Garbo back up the cliff on the Riviera trying to hide a Cheshire cat grin. I can't imagine the life that Jane Fonda has lived. Reading this book (so much better than Bosworth's) makes me love her even more. But I would never have broken James Franciscus's heart. Even with all the Iambic Pentameter.

Jane's fat in R205. Throw something up bitch.

R206 = Henry Fonda

closet case

Wasn't James Franciscus bi?

Jane never appreciated good dick. She liked to be sexually humiliated by father figures. Her neurosis are pretty boring actually. James Franciscus is officially gay now that I've had a look at him. I'm going to do some research on him later - when I'm alone.

On March 28, 1960, Franciscus married Kathleen "Kitty" Wellman, the daughter of film director William A. Wellman. They had four children — Jamie, Kellie, Korie, and Jolie. After his divorce from Kathleen, he married the former Carla Ankney in 1980. They were still married at the time of Franciscus' 1991 death (he was a four pack a day smoker) from emphysema in North Hollywood, California, at the age of 57.

Is it too late to fuck him though r211?

FOUR packs a day! JFC! How could somebody smoke four packs a day?

^^^ Were they unfiltered Lucky Strikes?

Jane on swimming in the Lady Pond:

"Did you enjoy being with women?"

"I don't know. I thought I did at the time because I'm so good becoming whatever my man wants me to be. I can convince myself of practically anything in the name of pleasing. But now that we're not together anymore, I have been trying to probe what was really going on in my body. In some ways I think I did enjoy it. I liked having an up-close view of the varied ways women express passion. But to go through with it, I'd always have to drink enough to be in an altered state. I always felt scared and competitive -- not the best frame of mind to be in when you're having sex. And I always felt angry afterward, never at the women . . . at Vadim. I usually became chums with the women. It was the only way I could feel human under the circumstances, which made me feel used, not good enough, trampled over for his pleasure.

"The fact that I participated in threesomes with Vadim was one symptom of my disembodiment, my loss of voice. It's not as if he forced me to do it. Had I refused, he would have accepted that. I later discovered that his future wives didn't do it. I have written about it because I know that it is not uncommon for girls to accept another woman into their beds to keep a man."

R169 I certainly know what FTA stood for, I was using the CLEAN version often employed by the principles themselves.

Jane, Lily and Dolly have been good friends since they filmed 9 to 5.

Dolly said she got a lot of criticism from people she knew over working with "Traitor" Fonda on the film, and she responded by saying that the Jane she knew was a good person and people shouldn't judge. When Jane filmed the Dollmaker a year or two later, Dolly took her to Appalachia for a couple of weeks so Fonda could research. Jane personally thanked Dolly for being an integral part of getting the film made when she won the Emmy that year.

If Jane was only with other women to make her man happy, why is she always making lesbionic comments? The woman appears bisexual to me.

Lesbian

What do we think of Jane's new Century City villa?

It’s crazy to be buying a home with stairs at her age. Unless it was darling Vanessa’s idea.

r221 That was my first thought as well. "She's 80 years old and buying a house with those stairs? Crazy!"

That house is so blah. I guess it is an easy commute to work.

Please, can she just go away?

I still find it amazing that you can finance a lifestyle of luxury and comfort from being an actor/actress. I just find it fascinating. Especially when you look at the life of someone like Elizabeth Taylor and Jane Fonda and so many other stars. That a movie salary can fund such extravagance.

What a life.

I remember when Jane Fonda said "cunt" on The Today show. LOL.

r225, you are... strange.

R227 No more stranger than you are.

They are rich because they generate revenue for the studios who showcase and market them.

I wonder what Jane's relationship was like with Whitney Houston since they both lived in Atlanta for decades at the same time. Because I've heard many times that the two of them knew each other. I just wonder what kind of relationship they had.

And by the way, phaedra parks introduced the two of them to each other. You know, from the Atlanta housewives.