Judy Garland being a C-U-Next-Tuesday about Marlene Dietrich

They're fine....

3.5/5 Seconals ...

That woman was a damn genius. Danced with Astaire and you watched her. Made every song a three-act opera. Wicked humor and mimicry.

Judy was one of the most talented singers ever. She also had a lot of pain and struggle throughout her life. Despite that, she had a good heart, which is hard to encounter in Hollywood. At a time when gay people were oppressed beyond belief, they identified with her struggles and she theirs.

She danced with Gene, as well....

One of the greatest ever, truly and so affected later in life. She’s amusing- Fun BS being fed by Parr. But she’s so affected-

...and Charles Walters

M on Harold Arlen

"He also wrote that bluebird thing that Judy Garland insits on singing with all her blubbering..."

from Marlene Dietric´s ABC

GARLAND, JUDY

A victim of injustice.

I transfered my love for her to her daugter Liza.

When I watch the films of teenage Judy Garland, before the illness hit her, she has such confidence that I have to wonder what kind of person she'd have grown into if a) the studio hadn't forced pills on her, and b) if she hadn't developed what was probably manic depression. At the age of 13-17 or so, she seems so sure of herself, so confident, so much fun....it's such a pity. However, that titanic talent is still there for all to see even though she did become more nervous and frail by the end of the 40s.

Dietrich, btw, was a huge admirer of great singing talent. She was also friends with Maria Callas and spent hours making her chicken broth when Callas had a cold.

I like blue.

Some things never get old, r12....

Judy's fucking hilarious here. Like stand up comic funny. I never knew how funny she was. Liza was right - she really was funny.

[quote] she really was funny.

Ha, ha, ha! I’ll say.

The studios did not get her into drugs- her Mom did according to most bios.

How did I end up here?^^^

Judy looks marvelous there....1964....how lovely

omg. I just finished watching the clip. 1964 Judy and 1967 Judy look like two different people. 1967 Judy looks like she's 1964 Judy's mother. OMG. What happened?

I was molested.

As has been mentioned elsewhere, take a look at her "Embraceable You." on YouTube. She's dazzling.

It did seem like poor Judy aged 20-30 years in the span of about 3 or 4 in real time. So sad.

R9's pic is giving me Tammie Brown realness!

She still looks lovely in 1965, r21. Yet two years later she looked, as r23 says, 20 years older. What. happened.

Drugs, depression, money woes, drugs. alcohol, stress. That's what happened, R25

R17 sad

She looked good in 65, but rather older than 42 or 43.

Game recognizes game.

The last several years of her life were harrowing- actually much of her life was- but from the early 60s until she died she did not come close to normal sleep cycles- she trashed houses and hotels- she made attempts on her life- she called people at all hours- she drank and used ups and downs constantly- woke up under pool tables- had sex with anyone anywhere- you name it. When her children were taken away from her in about 67- she didn’t have a home or even the possessions that most people have- clothes etc. She lived day to day.

Fabulous clip. How deluded do you have to be to ask your friends to listen your applause? This is BERLIN!!!

Judy exaggerated wildly, but she was funny and charming while she did it so everyone loved her stories.

The woman could tell a story. Her pauses, looks and impression were spot on.

When she was good, she was very, very good.

Certainly one of the greatest voices--and one of the greatest interpreters--in the history of popular music.

Bump.

Thanks for the amphetamines, Ma!

Is that a copypasta of Pills at R4? Isn’t the real Pills dead?

Now her Deanna Durbin insult is rather shady....

The drugs and alcohol very likely gave her circulatory problems which can manifest as an aged appearance.

She also had good makeup most of the time, but if you watch the occasional public event like the Star is Born premiere, you'll see some makeup fails revealing her face looked prematurely aged even back then, despite how young she looked in the movie itself.

R34 Danke

[quote] omg. I just finished watching the clip. 1964 Judy and 1967 Judy look like two different people. 1967 Judy looks like she's 1964 Judy's mother. OMG. What happened?

Based on what I can see from the cheap seats, she really hit a wall around 1965. Her last two big paying jobs - I Could Go On Singing and the CBS show - ended, and her debts grew. She was battling her managers and Sid Luft. She'd bounced back before from hardships, but you can see by 1966, 67 she's losing the battle, physically and emotionally.

[quote] Isn’t the real Pills dead?

Ha! Ha! Ha! I'll say.

Hot off the press.......

1966 was devastating and began the real decline. She learned her managers had been stealing from her, she was in debt for back taxes and she lost her home. Any semblance of stability was gone. She was a virtual bag lady after that. She went back to Sid Luft for a period in 1967 and he sold her in a package deal to gangsters.

She wasn't exaggerating about MD'S costumes for that tour. Her daughter described just putting her in the dress in her book as taking HOURS. She was pulled, pushed, and prodded in with devices in the dress to get the skin and flab in the right places, the breasts pulled up (her daughter says hers were always saggy), the neck hidden by a necklace and some contraption the pulled the face back that was hidden by her hair giving her an instant face lift.

Wig, r45. That should be "hidden by her wig". Needles were involved.

Is she still in that shit business?!

No- she owns waxing saloons now.

Wanna book a date, monobrow?

How could Sid be like that? Was he just a terrible manager?

r49 he was a fucking bastard to her because she let him.

"Dietrich, btw, was a huge admirer of great singing talent."

She was interested in more than "singing talent", when it came to singers. She had an affair with Edith Piaf. Dietrich's daughter hated Piaf because she made some derogatory comments about her husband, insinuating that he was supporting himself and his wife and sons with Dietrich's money (he wasn't). To be fair, Dietrich was probably the one who told her that; Dietrich told a lot of lies. Anyway, Maria Riva called Piaf "that guttersnipe." I don't think Dietrich had an affair with Judy, but who knows? Judy was bisexual and so was Dietrich; Dietrich was compulsively promiscuous and chances are Judy probably wouldn't have turned down a muff diving session with her.

Judy OD'd in Hong Kong in May 1964: She was in a coma for 15 hours and had to be put on a respirator. Her voice never recovered from the tube in her throat, and the coma also seemed to break something in her mentally. It was all downhill from there.

Looking at the last 5 years of her life, it probably would have been kinder if she'd never woken up from the coma.

She did have 2 husbands ahead.

Actually, in her book her daughter said MD like to cuddle and kiss but didn't really like sex. She didn't like the exchange of body fluids. Her daughter said that was why gay me got involved with her and bi men. And she didn't have as much sex as people thought. Until she met the young Yul Brunner. That sex she liked.

Love her even more....if that's possible

"And she didn't have as much sex as people thought."

She sure did! A constant theme in Riva's biography of her mother is her Mommy Dearest's unending stream of lovers. For someone who didn't like sex Dietrich sure as hell got plenty of it, from both sexes. When asked why she had so many sexual affairs with so many people she reportedly said "well, they ASKED."

Same here!

Marlene was fond of the Yul log, r54!

That's when he was starring in "The Kink and Sigh."

Didn't Judy and Yul have a flingydingy?

On stage and in the bedroom

Judy sang.

MD was a performance artist.

Judy, when she was reasonably lucid, had a wonderful, Irish sense of humor. But when she got too drunk or pilled up, it just came off as bitterness. Eventually that's all there was.

Marlene was lazy, r61.

Brynner must have had a thing for aging divas because he had an affair no only with Dietrich but with Garland, too. Dietrich was quite pissed off when he ended their affair. Maria Riva said that years later, when Dietrich saw a photo of an ill Yul Brynner (he was dying of cancer) she snarled "Serves him right!"

R63

still quite effective if the mic belongs to,johnny

Little known fact: Marlene brought quigong to australia.

I'm with Marlene on this one......

In Maria Riva's book about her mother, some of the funniest stuff is about Mercedes De Acosta, the heiress Dietrich allegedly stole from Garbo. Riva hated her and refers to her as "that Spanish Vampire," and a biography about De Acosta is entitled "That Furious Lesbian" which leads me to believe it was written by a DLer.

I remember people drawing a lot of parallels between de Acosta and the lesbian that Madonna and Sandra Bernhard were dating. Ingrid whatsersnatch.

It's devastating to think that for the last 2-3 years of her life, Judy was friendless and homeless. I cannot imagine how one so talented and so beloved could fall so far. Heartbreaking.

I wasn´t sad when she died. She wanted to die.

24 curtain calls in Buenos -Aires!

what a gown that is.

Danke, Liebchen!

18 cc in Las Vegas

Boobies!

300 swans worth of a coat

"It's devastating to think that for the last 2-3 years of her life, Judy was friendless and homeless. I cannot imagine how one so talented and so beloved could fall so far. "

She drove a lot of people away with her needy, unbearable behavior. Her attitude was "if you really love me you'll drop everything you're doing and come to my aid, no matter what." People get tired of that shit. Plus she was a drug addict/alcoholic who would never own up to admitting she was a drug addict/alcoholic. She blamed all her troubles, her addition, her financial ruin, on other people. She lost her house finally and was reduced to staying with whoever with let her crash in their home. At one point she spent a few weeks sleeping on the floor at the apartment of some friends of Liza. She took financial help from a female fan and had a sexual relationship with her. And of course at the very end she married another flaming gay man. And Judy Garland didn't consider her life "tragic!" I thought it had its highs and lows, but considering everything could indeed be called tragic.

Great shots! In the Dietrich book, her daughter Maria gets a part in The Scarlett Empress and a tutor arrives. Dietrich does not understand that there are laws that child actors must be taught so many hours per day. When a tutor arrives, she becomes furious. I have to type this out because it's classic:

Von Sternberg [director] was about to say something calming to get [the tutor] off the set when my mother whirled!

"What law?!" Who dares to say that my child has to go to school? My child is brilliant! She doesn't need to go to school. She can speak two languages. Can you? Tell your bosses, what my child learns -- I decide. Not some stupid law!"

My mother was on a "high indignation" role. She spelled it out to the quivering schoolmarm.

"We are making a moving picture here. That costs a great deal of MONEY -- more than you will ever see -- and you are interfering with our work with your stupidity! So leave and take your little alphabet with you! My child has a CLOSE-UP to do!'

R71, that shot is doctored to death. No way MD 's pendulous tits could be constrained sufficiently.

Forget your troubles, common get happy!

Poor Judy.

Poor, poor Judy.

R78[quote]No way MD 's pendulous tits could be constrained sufficiently.

EVERYway schatz!

see: built in bra/ foundation garmet/breastfeeding ;don´t

My breasts were bound so I wouldn't look too mature as I skipped down the yellow brick road.

Celebrating my 60 birtday in marrakesh.

Some nut has killed this thread by massively over-posting video clips.

She could be beautiful and that nasty creature Louis B. Mayer had the gall to call her ugly.

Early 1940s Judy was really lovely. Lily Mars shows it off best, I think.

I do love Dietrich - moments of her, anyway - but lawd Jeebus her singing was horrifically overrated.

Love the quotes r77. It was Marlene's way or the highway!

Garland's show biz stories were always funny as hell--whether they were true was usually beside the point. Dropping names like Noel Coward is a bit much, though.

[quote]Dropping names like Noel Coward is a bit much, though..

If he was there, what should she call him? Some English poofta?

R85, true, but when you're standing next to Hedy Lamarr, a gal can get discouraged.

Dietrich used to get so many floral arrangements on the lot when she was single that she put the bigger ones outside the door of her dressing room. Mae West, whose dressing room was across the road, started "pinching" them, as she admitted, and putting them in her own dressing room. Dietrich saw West doing this, and told her daughter "From now on, we put only the ugly ones outside."

[quote] Dropping names like Noel Coward is a bit much, though.

Believe it or not people used to WANT movie stars to be aspirational, glamorous, and eager to talk about knowing the other glitterati!

It's only in our dreary current PC world must everyone behave "down to earth", and desperately compete at being someone you'd "wanna have a beer with"! Believe it or not Marlene Dietrich, Judy Garland, and Noel Coward would NEVER EVER wanna have a beer with YOU!

Of course not. They'd wanna have a glass of wine with me.

Dietrich and Garland were in different categories entirely. Dietrich appeals to the disciplined ordered German DNA Capricorn in me, and Garland to the greedy, messy, slatternly glamorous 100% gung-ho slutty size-queen bottom in me.

I'm dying R95!

I love this quote about Marlene from Mae West: "Marlene told me she wanted to wash my hair. I wasn't sure if she meant the hair on my head."

Judy couldn't have told that story about Marlene without mentioning Noel Coward (she also mentioned Ginette Spanier and her husband because they were there). It wasn't name-dropping for Judy--she and Noel had been friends for some time.

Judy knew what she was doing with the name dropping it was well done. She did it often and it was always with a light touch if you ask me.

There was a conversation beteeen Judy and Coward that was printed in a magazine in the Carnegie Hall years. A tape recording of their actual talk can now be found on YouTube.

It is not name-dropping when you bring up the name of an equal.

The idea that Judy's name dropping needs such an intensive defense, at this late date is ricidulous. By this time, she was broke, periodically homeless and past her prime as an entertainer. the idea that gay men under the age of 80 have to genuflect at the church of Judy is something that's time has passed.

So go listen to Queen Bey.

Well!!

You SURE told US, r101!

"Queen Bey"! Ohmygawd! For a second I thought r102 was serious!

It's not name dropping if the person is your friend.

R52 is entirely right about the massive overdose Judy accidentally or on purpose suffered in 1964. She was never the same mentally or physically afterwards. As r52 said, her survival may not have been the best outcome.

She died on the shitter, broke and weighing 80 pounds. What more is there to say? Oh, married to a fag.

Oscar Levant, himself a meds aficionado, supposedly once said to Judy that any offspring of theirs would be a giant sleeping pill.

Judy was witty as hell.

The rest of us will be forgotten. Never Judy.

--Frank Sinatra

She's so artificial sounding and affected. Because she wasn't good looking and every one knew she was a disaster, she is really laying it on thick in these interviews. I've read that she was funny, hopefully more naturally than comes across there. I was born long after she died.

Dietrich on the other hand is classic. A real star no matter how ridiculous her singing. She probably name dropped too but not to a hack television interviewer. She had much more confidence and class it seems than frumpy homely Judy.

Even Garland's singing has long gone out of style. She'd get nowhere with that out of control vibrato now. She did have a nice tone to her voice though and her voice was powerful. She IS mostly forgotten. Her video clips on YouTube don't get many views. And the comments all seem to come from the same few posters. Ha.

Dietrich's last years were pretty awful too. Of course, she lived to an old age unlike Judy.

R110 is hysterical.

r110 views for some "Over the Rainbow" videos on Youtube: 26 m views, 11 m views, 6.6 m views, 5.8 m views, 3.3 m views, 1.2 m views and a few others nearing the 1 million mark. So combined that's about 54 million views for one song scattered across several uploaded videos, most from fan accounts.

R110, sometimes ignorance is oblivious.

Aretha did liner notes on a box set from Judy- first came out 10 or 15 years ago. Fascinating to read what one great singer has to say about another- who she clearly admired. Lots of fun as well to read what Marilyn Horne and Rene Flemming have to say about Streisand- opera singer talking about the technique of a singer they admire.

R110 is clueless- thinks he (she) knows something about music and singing- thinks the world started when he/she was born or shortly thereafter. Sorry 110, not like that!

Happy 80th birthday Charlie!!

From the Dietrich book, after Mae West steals Dietrich's flowers, Dietrich intercepts a Travis Banton negligee (silver lame' and lace trimmed with black fox) being delivered to West's dressing room . . .

"Dietrich, resplendent, trailing lame' and fox, positioned herself before Mae West, who screeched: "That's mine!" That's my brand-new hostess gown!"

"Oh, no, angel! It can't be! Travis made this just for me! Do you like it? Not too vulgar? She turned slowly in front of the irate little woman.

Finally, Mae catches on. "W-e-e-l-l-l, sweet thing, it does look mighty swanky on that pretty body of yours. Let's you and me go inside and discuss li'l ol' Travis's treachery!"

In perfect syncopation, they turned, wiggled their tidy bottoms, and sashayed into Mae's dressing room, closing the door firmly behind them. The appreciative minions left behind on the sidewalk applauded. [which Marlene promptly recorded, lol]

My mother diappeared often into Mae West's dressing room during this time."

Finally, Dietrich's daughter gets to go to a real children's party for the first time. She sits alone but finally a girl approaches her. She has no idea it's Judy Garland.

"Were you invited?" a slippery voice said from somewhere. I turned in its direction and answered it: "I don't know. My mother just told me I was going."

"Who's your mother?" the voice was curious.

"Miss Marlene Dietrich."

"Oh boy! She's great! She's really famous! Do you like being the daughter of a famous movie star?"

I hesitated. No one had ever asked me that before. I had nearly answered "no." It surprised me. The voice slipped abut the shadows of the old-fashioned porch.

"Do you hate being fat? Do you hate your stupid dress?"

"Yes! And how! But how do you know that? And where are you"

A chuckle gurgled, the porch swing creaked. "Over here. Come on, sit here. What's your name?"

"My real name is Maria. But nobody calls me that except when they are angry at me."

It was nice and cool on the porch. The children were having a good time in the garden. We sat, dangling our legs, side by side, the swing creaked as we swayed back and forth. "It's my party." The voice had lost ts pretty lilt.

"It is? Then why are you sitting here all alone? Don't you like your own party?

"I'm tired. I worked today. I'm in the movies."

"You are? How wonderful! What's your studio?"

"MGM."

"I'm Paramount. But yours is my favorite. They make the best pictures. What do you do?"

"I sing. I act too -- and tap. I'm being 'groomed for Stardom!' It's horrible! They won't let me eat. Everybody fusses, everybody touches me. When I sing, they stop. They leave me alone. Then it's great!"

"You will be a star! I know it! A really big one, just like my mother. Even bigger, because she can't sing very well at all. YOu can even tap! Do you have a key light"

:They tried it but it made me look fatter."

"They just put it too low. You have to check that yourself. When you sing, don't let them light you for a tight close-up -- your facial expression will have to be too constricted and you will feel uncomfortable and that will show on the screen."

"I wish I could have a hot dog," Judy said. "But I'm not allowed to.

"Listen, would it be all right with your mother if I asked for two? What do you like on your hot dog?"

"How do you like yours?" the voice tingled with excitement.

"You'll love it! First, I put mustard, then ketchup, then the onions and relish, then another squirt of mustard. Okay?"

Back at our swing, laden and in the clear, we feasted. We giggled. We told each other secret truths. We became important to each other, we became friends. We rarely met. Sometimes it was years, but when we did, instantly, without hesitation, we again became two little fat girls sitting on back-porch swing.

I'm 65 R115 and proud of it- hope you get there too and lose the pathetic wit in the process.

There's a YouTube clip of her singing "Every Little Movement" (with dubbed Connie Gilchrist) that is a lovely gem. And she's gorgeous.

June Allyson sang "Every Little Movement" in those Depends commercials.

But she was speaking litterally.

I love Judy. Her work and talent are still incredibly enjoyable.

Dietrich was a confection, put together in the editing room frame-by-frame. It's amazing that a woman who couldn't act, sing, or even talk became as big as she did. Her downfall after the Bacharach years was tragic. But, as an alcoholic smoker, it's truly amazing she lived to 90.

"Dietrich was a confection, put together in the editing room frame-by-frame"

She was that on stage as well, r125. Every thing planned and calculated....and absolutely, positively...magic.

Dietrich was a FOTZE

Did she and Bachrach have an affair? Or did he simply work as her music director?

R84 R127

Kommando: SCHNAUTZE!

R129 I got your number too......hussy!

Bacharach was a teenage lust figure for me. We had a secret love affair when mom was gone and my door was locked. He was so handsome, a real Silver Daddy. I loathed Angie Dickinson because she snagged him. Bacharach said in an interview that when he flew to Berlin to do a concert with Dietrich she met him at the airport, standing in the snow), with two glasses of champagne and a limousine. I'm sure they fucked. She loved him. And he was hitching his wagon to a (faded) star.

Burt was hot as fuck. You just know he had to be hung like a horse.

He doesn't look hot at r131.

Bacharach states in his autobiography that he turned down Dietrich while working as her comcert MD.

*concert

Hot.

PS: Holy shit, Bacharach is NINETY this year.

You know I had him darling.

R130 ungrateful bitch!

p.s.: Balmain for the funeral!

Bacharach was one who never bedded Dietrich. Good for him. Another who didn't succumb to her charms was John Wayne. Maria Riva said that when asked why he and Dietrich never got it on he said he "never liked being part of a stable."

Riva stated that her mother was a "manufactured" star, the creation of Josef von Sternburg. And that was true. I always thought Dietrich was more of a personality than a major talent.

I recently watched all those early movies with Sternburg. Dietrich certainly had charisma but she wasn't much of an actress.

In the Sternberg films the lighting was genius. Also, her lip makeup gave her a really pretty mouth. Later she used that ugly over-the-lipline clown shape in the 50s.

In "Judgement at Nuremberg", Dietrich is elegant and believable; Garland is heartbreaking. A fine outing for both and also for Spencer Tracy, Maximilian Schell and Montgomery Clift.

I thought Dietrich's best performance was in "Touch of Evil." In a very small role she was unforgettable.

R131, I highly doubt they fucked, except perhaps to seal the deal. But he was extremely hot.

According to Maria Rive Burt Bacharach was not one of her mother's lovers, although she of course did find him very attractive.

He used her.

Bacharach had already written stuff like "Magic Moments". He was not fucking to get jobs.

From R147's link:

"Your autobiography is full of encounters with girls. You turned down Dietrich, but if there were Grammy awards for romancing, you’d probably get one of those as well."

I love a drunk, stoned, snarky bitch. Did Marlene ever have a chance to retort?

She didn't need to and was above it.

More like she had no defense of such stupidity on her part.

[quote] I love a drunk, stoned, snarky bitch

The unfortunate thing for Judy is she would do public appearances when she was over the top drunk/stoned slurring her words and making no sense. Just cringe inducing and of course it totally freaked out conservative America. There are lots of people in Hollywood that regularly drink and drug themselves into a huge mess but they stay home and don't do late-night tv. I guess Judy was surrounded with enablers or she just wasn't manageable when she was using.

Another performer with similar issues was Amy Winehouse. She was so embarrassing. I am so sorry that Amy died - but towards the end, her career had taken such a huge hit from her public drugging I don't think it would have ever got back on track. She would have still worked but her opportunities would have been greatly diminished.

Addiction is so weird and so sad. Some personalities just become obsessed with getting high and they are beyond reason.

R129 Aber jetzt

I love that Judy clip where she said when Marlene asked if anyone wanted to hear her record, and they all said yes and couldn't believe it was just applause, finally Side A finished . . . (Judy pauses...) "And then she turned it OVER!"

It was a funny bit but as the custom with Judy she made most of it up. Her own daughter admitted that most of what Judy said on camera were exaggerations, especially all she said about her time working on Wizard Of Oz. But it made for good TV, so it was okay.

Marlene was in her mid fifties when she had her affaire with Yul. When the monthly visit by the red lola failed to happen, she expressed her concern/hope about a pregnancy to her daughter. Daughter wisely felt it best to have a doctor inform Mutti about certain changes. Marlene would have non of it, and riped the doc a new one " If those hormons are so good,why don´t you give them to my daugther?". Off she swept getting another shot from her own dr.feelgood (see- amphetamins), had her son-in-law install indirect lightening under her bed and continued to glory in Yul's seemingly inexhaustible virility. When Yul got tired of Marlenes posessivness he ended the affair.

Over 30 years later Dietrich sent her daughter a news-clipping showing Brynner in a weelchair.In silver marker her comment across his face read:" Goody-goody- he´s got cancer!Serves him right!"

Yuls affair with garland happened in the mid-forties when Judy was married to Minelli and Yuls wife was pregnant at home.

It's your God-awful hat, r157.

Remember "Malice in Wonderland," TV movie with Taylor as Louella and Jane Alexander as Hedda?

R157, Judy.Yul was that early? Was he on the radar that early? Would that been when he was in "Lute Song," with Martin?

R159, it sounds like you and I are at the same place in"Dietrich" by her daughter Maria Riva! It came out in Kindle format last year and it's great to read it again. I'd forgotten how good it was. Was surprised to read Dietrich and Maria shared a beach house in my hometown on Long Island back in the early 50s.

R159 Yes according to the YB bio. Vincente commented on Judy´s intense infatuations and Yul´s pregnant frau was brave....

Louella Parsons reported that Judy longed to make a movie of Lute Song with Yul.

R155 in your polished kitchen floor face

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put on your sunday clothes, la la la la

I think that's the late Elsa Martinelli next to MD. She was damn gorgeous.

I pwefer beer.....

No Duke dick for Marlene.....

Wayne and Dietrich allegedly had a torrid affair while they were shooting Seven Sinners in the early 1940s and continued it on and off for years. Don't know whether it's true but it was a famous Hollywood "secret."

According to Riva, John Wayne and Burt Bacharach were the only two people who turned Dietrich down. Wayne said he didn't like being part of a "stable."

Didn't MD abort Stewart s child?

"HOLD IT!! YOU THREE DIRTY HAMS! LET THAT LITTLE GIRL IN THERE!! LET HER IN THERE"

Judy...greatest performer ever.

Judy's work as an actress is terribly underrated. Especially her films in the 40s. She is always raw and vulnerable and totally committed and believable. She seemed method before that was a thing.

That whole story about how poor little Judy Garland kept getting pushing in back of three scene stealing hams (Ray Bolger, Jack Haley and Bert Lahr) as they skipped down the yellow brick road was another one of her bullshit stories. Jack Haley denied it saying "how could we have pushed her in back of us? We were all arm in arm." Judy never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

R174 they weren't pushing her as she says, she was getting crammed between them

"...crammed..."

One of her favorite books was "Forever" by Mildred Cram. She wanted to make a film version with Ty, with whom she had a flingy dingy.

Didn't Dietrich do her patriotic duty visiting the troops on USO shows. Lines of soldiers outside her quarters waiting their turn?

In OP's clips, her Ayn Rand hairdo from 1967 is truly horrible.

[quote] Daughter wisely felt it best to have a doctor inform Mutti about certain changes. Marlene would have non of it, and riped the doc a new one " If those hormons are so good,why don´t you give them to my daugther?".

Posting a long post on your IPhone = never a good idea

R178: Miss Garland was farmer submissive to capitalist in Summer Stock. Stood proud as Mrs. Norman Maine. Killed collectivist Wicked Witch. Her homage to my unbecoming bowl cut is rational expression of capitalist values.

r173, the "method" derived from Stanislavski in the early 1900s.

"...Dietrich...patriotic duty..."

R177 yes. To the point that she got a sore throat. But what can you expect if you give each guy a full rendition of "Falling in Love Again "?

[quote] Her homage to my unbecoming bowl cut is rational expression of capitalist values.

Ha! Ha! Ha! I'll say!

Marlene got the last laugh. She didn't die on the shitter.

No, she died in bed stewing in her shit and piss, an old worn-out shell.

Well, at least she didn't marry a string of fags.

And, R80, in "Meet Me in St. Louis" she brilliantly deconstructed and subverted the toxic myth of the heuristic American family, c.1900. Let us also not forget the scathing social commentary of her Blackface forays in "Strike Up the Band" and, from "Ziegfeld Girl," the "Minnie in Trinidad" number, which also casts a withering glance at American imperialism in third-world countries.