The Superiority of the Old-Fashioned Facelift

I work in Beverly hills and have been to those places with my boss who gets those kind of things done all the time. Hate to break it to you, but the choice is not A or B its A and B. Women are still getting full on face lifts. Fillers are like the side dish. It all comes down to who is doing the work and how much of a change the patient wants. Most woman have a distorted self image and therefore overcompensate for the amount of work that should be done. Doctors never seem to say no to all that money.

I know some men who have done it too. 90% are gay though, haven't seen any straight guys as of yet. Unfortunately, they look even worse than some woman. They often look more feminized because the doctors only know one look and they spend day in and day out trying to make woman look better. So far, all the ones I have seen done look over tight freaky like Siegfried & Roy.

Well when I look at Kim Novak, Faye Dunaway and Barbra Streisand I feel sad. They are turning into Catwomen. I hate her politics, but Susan Sarandon and my idol, Jane Fonda look best of all the older women. And Helen Mirren. I've even noticed how so many of the younger ones, women in the late 20's or 30's are getting some work done. If I were a doctor I would absolutely refuse them.

R1 Then I am advocating facelifts without fillers. All the older actresses of the 70s, 80s, 90s had faces pulled back and to me they looked perfectly OK that way. With the advent of Botox and then the hyarlaunuc acid fillers, they all look like infectious monsters. Madonna’s face looks like a hot boil eager to explode yellow slime to me.

Hunny, it's not acid fillers, it's silicon fillers, I think. The acid is for the peels.

It's called Sculptra. Invented for AIDS patients who had facial wasting from the side effects of the HIV drugs. I think it slowly absorbs back into the body over time so its safer than silicone. But the reason Madona and all those others look so bad is like everything else, they over do it. They want bigger cheeks, bigger lips, bigger breasts, bigger, bigger, BIGGER!

And I disagree about the old face. In person they look very streaked out from the side. Straight on they look great for a cam shot but side view is like a fun-house mirror. Iv seen a lot of them in person. Usually the smarter woman style their hair to compensate by covering up their ears. But if they pull back the hair, its obvious.

Dont get me started on Martha Stewart's Dumbo ears. She has a special hair weave that divides them in half just so they don't look as giant pan cakes.

“Honey,” medical-grade fillers are hyarlaunic acid, not silicone. I know some people with very poor judgment have ill-advised and dangerous silicone injected into their body parts—from what I’ve seen, mainly transgender people—but that often causes abscesses and granulomas and other things. Juvederm, Restylane, Belotero etc. are acid fillers used by dermatologists and cosmetic surgeons, and these days they are sold like candy. My dermatologist has happy hour parties with discounted fillers and Botox—absolutely no silicone. These acid fillers are now part of standard beauty routines. Some, such as Juvederm, can stimulate collagen regrowth, which can mean that although the fillers are reabsorbed by the body over 3-12 months, in some people, the collagen rebuilds over time so that less filler is needed over time. A doctor told me that all these technologies are relatively new and therefore not time tested (the FDA only requires proof of immediate safety, not long-term safety), and in some people the collagen regrowth or growth of scar tissue may become continuous and just keep puffing up and potentially lumpifying the texture of the skin, and if it gets lumpy, obviously that requires filler around the lumps to smooth out the texture...vicious cycle.

I have terrible acne scarring. I had Belotero filler once, only a modest amount. It is injected in between shallow layers of skin instead of beneath the skin, to even out the texture. LOTS of people commented on how much better my skin looked without my having mentioned it. But I saw photos of myself afterward and although only half a syringe was used over both cheeks, it changed the structure of my face and I didn’t look like me to me, and I’ll never do it again.

I’ve had six laser resurfacing treatments, which helped a lot with the scarring; HOWEVER, I only recently learned that the FDA does not guarantee long-term safety and now a lot of people are saying that laser treatments actually destroyed collagen 10+ years down the line, and it may trigger some autoimmune issues (which I have). I assumed that if these procedures are offered by dermatologists they must have been thoroughly investigated by the FDA. Nope. That is not how the FDA works, it turns out. They charge millions for application fees, accept evidence provided by the manufacturer and no independent testing as assurance of safety, and then approve drugs and procedures. If five, 10 or 20 years down the line a major class action suit is filed, the FDA will then investigate the damages causes by those things.

Thank you R6, for your informative and clarifying post. I appreciate it.

Fillers are making a lot of people look freakish - but I think it's mostly the people who go overboard. Their original intent was to replace lost volume, not to create "cheekbones" or duck lips & whatever people are trying to do with them (like Madonna - who is looking like a Muppet lately). If she did 1/4th of the filler, maybe she'd look okay.

If you have hollowing in your temples, for example, you need just enough to fill them in & that's it. You'll look better. But, now it's like people get off on it and then just start injecting everywhere more and more... and the doctor doesn't say no. If they did, they'd just go to another doctor. The gigantic lips are also off putting. How anyone can think this looks good is beyond me.

Dixie carter, during the designing women reunion show, said she was badly in need of a facelift in that first season, and got one during the hiatus after they were picked up for a second season.

got a facelift at 48, and one at 59.

took ten yrs off each time.

highly recommend. tho recovery is a bitch, be well stocked with Vicodin and scotch...

R10, are you male or female?

Legit dermatologists and plastic surgeons inject silicone only in small amounts to fill in wrinkles and acne scars and augment lips. You don't want large amounts of it in your cheeks, because even if the silicone is medical-grade, gravity pulls it down over time and the cheeks end up looking like kneecaps.

Why is DL obsessed with plastic surgery threads?

I can now pass for 75 after my facelift.

By 2012, how could plastic surgery patients of facelifts and fillers not be aware they'd be running the risk of looking like a Spitting Image caricature?

I'd say the happy medium is a reserved traditional facelift with reserved use of fillers. However, I'd rank the newer vertical facelift well above the traditional horizontal ones.

R13, I think the Melanie Griffith Refreshment/Reconstruction has generated a lot of questions.

It's the same reason why there is almost a weekly thread about stars who have aged well or poorly - the obsession with looks/youth.

R15 a lot of the patients are surrounded by people who've had a lot of work done. All the women they know go to the same doctors. It looks normal to them.

R16 is a perfect example of what I meant in the first post. I think that facelift was really successful and the guy looks exactly how I would hope to look with a procedure like that. And he would look like an accident victim with any cheek or lip plumping.

R16 Two different lighting set-ups. The one on the right flattering. And why is he wearing glasses in the after shot?

That facelift might look good...but it's impossible to judge here.

On a man, I don't think it's worth the risk.

As one of the docs in the silicone article upthread says, the best surgeons undercorrect rather than going overboard. Peepaw at R14 looks great, but great [italic]for his age[/italic]—trying to erase his wrinkles with a chemical peel, etc. would be silly.

I think it works best when you try to look like you've aged well, rather than like you haven't aged. Dixie Carter still looked middle aged. She just looked less tired. Angela Lansbury had work done when she was on Murder She Wrote. She still looked elderly, but less tired. She wasn't trying for hot. A lot of the aging stars are trying for fuckable. I don't blame them the industry is obsessed with fuckability. Unfortunately the end result is less than dignified.

I don't think lifts make men look feminized. Male actors have been getting face lifts forever without looking girly. I think the Botox, fillers and peals cause the feminization. It makes the skin look too smooth and soft for a man.

I am repulsed by that “big face” look in OP’s picture- that’s from fillers, right?

A lot of it is knowing when to stop. Lansbury got hers done in the early '90s, around the same time Miss Dunaway and Jessica Lang got their first ones. She looks normal today; they don't.

Poor Kim Novak looks like the deformed kid from ‘Mask.’

^ What's up with those creepy-looking creases in the corners of her mouth? Cheek implants?

I've seen those creases before. I have no idea what they are but apparently it has something to do with all this work.

I'm curious about the joker mouth effect as well. Is it caused by too much pulling of the skin?

If they don't get the joker look, they get what I call the big mouth bass look. Their mouth looks too wide and stretched horizontally. Adding lip fillers after this looks particularly grotesque.

Janice Dickinson is a great example of the "big mouth bass" look. Her mouth was totally different before.

I remember Phyllis Diller's being just a stunning transformation. That's who facelifts were meant for.

DL needs more advice/experience on MALE plastic surgery.

Michael Douglas had good work done. He had a face and neck lift. He's less jowly than men his age, but he looks like himself. He didn't get Asian eyes.

JLo and Sharon Stone have had the best work.

I can't even tell what Sharon Stone had done to her face. She looks amazing. And her dental work is excellent.

Stone still has wrinkles, so does Fonda. They took care of the sagging but didn't erase the lines. I think this looks best. They don't look desperate to pass for twenty. I also think the sagging looks worse than lines. It's what makes you look tired. Sagging changes how your face looks by pulling your features downward. Wrinkles are just lines on top of your features.

R14 : Jesus what was the point?

Sharon stone was the spokesperson for the filler Restylane (not sure if she still is). It's hard to believe she didn't have more done than just that.

R38 He now thinks he can update his Grindr profile age to 39.

Is plastic surgery ever a moral issue? When will this turn into Jurassic Park when the dinosaurs or face lifts start attacking the humans playing God. Melanie Griffith and Madonna look awful. They are clearly mentally ill.

In 20-30 years as it becomes more affordable and available to anyone, will the majority of people get this type of work done and be viewed as a normal and desirable outcome?

I had a friend who had an old fashioned facelift. He didn’t go overboard with it he told the doctor I want to look like I had a relaxing vacation. The doctor didn’t do too much and he looked great.

I'm not sure why the two guys pictured went to the trouble, especially the first one. How did that improve his life? He still looked his age, and actually, there was noting wrong with him. The second one looked better, but it was harder to tell because of the differences in the lighting. His undereye area did look better, but was it worth having a facelift?

Some of these women walk around so bravely with their wrecked, putty-looking faces. Why can’t they have the confidence to sport a few wrinkles?? I don’t get it. They’re delusional enough, obviously.

I'm male, 48, had a facelift at 36. Looked great, but after 12 years it's starting to get loose again. I don't think I'll have another one. With guys, it's more difficult because of our beards and typically short hair -- i have to shave inside my ears because that's where they redraped the skin, and if you look closely you can see the scars in front of and behind my ears.

Now that I've reached a certain age, I've had to come to the realization that even though I may not feel differently inside from when I was in my 30s, I'm no longer looking like that on the outside. I can't compete with guys who are at their physical peak and attractiveness. But so what? I figure if I can look the best I can through taking care of myself, I make whatever age I am look good. And as I've discovered, the people I'm attracted to are more interested in someone who's real than they are in someone who tries to be something they are not, i.e. young.

I remember when Janice Dickinson was young. I thought she was gorgeous. Seeing her now, I have to wonder what she would have looked like if she had had maybe just a few judicious procedures. I'll bet she she would be sensational-looking, but no one would mistake her for being 30. Too bad she felt that wasn't a choice.

Clooney has had work done. He just looks fresher, or as someone up thread said, "less tired." Brad Pitts' another one.

R46 Look into the vertical procedures, they don't reposition the beard hair the way horizontal lifts do.

Tell-tale sign if a guy has had a lift: they either don't wear sideburns or they do and they are too close to the ear (normally there's about a finger's width of bare skin between ear and whiskers).

[quote]I'm male, 48, had a facelift at 36.

A facelift at 36...why?

What kind of life did you lead to need a facelift at that age?

I had body dysmorphic disorder, which was exacerbated by living (at the time) in LA. The facelift was my last procedure, and then I moved to the east coast and met my now husband. I think back to those days and can't believe what I put myself through. I would spend hours staring in the mirror, lifting parts of my face up to see how I'd look with different procedures. I was not well, mentally.

R49 - If a man is balding or has a heavily-receding hairline, will a vertical lift (or any lift, for that matter) work? The surgeon can't really hide anything in the hair?

The surgeon was okay with doing a facelift on a 36 year old? Did you really have lax skin? I am 39 and I honesty do look better if I push my skin up in the mirror. I have had skin laxity just from genetics - my dad looks like Richard Nixon. but it has to go straight up - not back towards my ears.

What's this lifting up thing that has been mentioned here? Where do the scars go?

I doubt I'd ever do this (and the cost tends to be outrageous) but I'm just curious.

Full facelifts are rather grotesque, severe surgical procedures, but I do think they often look much better than non-invasive alternatives. Madonna has had surgeries, too. Her eyes and her cheeks are inexplicable otherwise, but her explosive facial pressure has to be from injectables. It’s all very weird.

I’ve read that wealthy people or people in certain social circles all get these things done because it’s a “keeping up with the Joneses” type of thing more than actually looking younger or better. We think of ourselves as above and beyond ancients and people from nonindustrialized cultures, but it’s just not true. Poorer people may get more tattoos and piercings, people in certain cultures may extend their necks with metal rings or put bones through the bridges of their noses. Here, puncturing holes in ears is normal or even mandatory—that’s not at all odd to us. For a woman, it may be considered odd not to have had it done. For a socialite in New York or L.A., not to have surgically augmented her breasts and her face, no matter the outcome, will ostracize her from the tribe. Everyone knows what those sorts of “maintenance” cost. What if you haven’t had a facelift by 55? You’re sending the signal you can’t afford it, or don’t know who to go to, so friends start slyly handing you the numbers of their doctors...eventually you go and have it done. Because we are all tribal. One day someone will find human skulls and bones from this era and wonder why there so many big porcelain teeth, or stubby pointed teeth left after all the veneers have worn away over time. Bones will be stained from chemicals and drugs, etc., and an anthropologist will form some elaborate theory about the primitive religious beliefs that led people to mutilate ourselves.

Marlene Dietrich at age 70 (47 years ago)

R56 She looks completely human. Yes, remarkably not elderly looking, but more importantly she doesn’t look like her face is going to explode.

Didn’t some of the old stars use string and tape to pull up theirs faces and hide it all under their wigs?

Lucille Ball supposedly used some sort of netting under her jaw that was tied up on top of her head and wasn’t visible on camera.

Look at photos of Loretta Young, Olivia de Havilland, Joan Fontaine, Lana Turner, Jennifer Jones, Greer Garson,Esther Williams and Ingrid Bergman, among a few other former Hollywood beauties, in the 1960s when they were all well into their 50s.

They all still looked, beautiful, elegant and most importantly, like themselves.

Kim Novak is well into her 80s. Of course, her face can't take any sort of plastic surgery properly any more.

Joan Crawford, 1968...

R57, yes, Marlene looked great. She may have even been getting injections of silicone droplets way back then... but doctors were generally more careful and didn't go overboard.

Crawford, 1976 (age 71). She definitely had a facelift. And she looks like Joan Crawford. That’s the thing: the new face procedures leave people looking as disfigured as Michael Jackson was, but in different ways. Puffed instead of chopped.

I was going to list Joan Crawford among the ladies of r60 but figured I'd get flamed! Personally, I think she looked great as she aged, more so in her real life than in her last films where her makeup and lighting verged on grotesque.

Kim Novak has had surgery but in part her lower face looks like that because of cancer of the jaw, during which she had a stroke, so go easy on her.

To me, it looks like Kim Novak had aggressive fat grafting that didn't settle well and created a mid-face crease.

R66 you saved me just in the nick of time.

She's had a well-publicized bout with breast cancer, but I can't find anything online about her having had jaw cancer.

[quote]One day someone will find human skulls and bones from this era and wonder why there so many big porcelain teeth, or stubby pointed teeth left after all the veneers have worn away over time.

You left out the most obvious find in that excavation. 2 puddles of perfectly round silicone in the chest area. Perhaps food for the afterlife?

Even grosser, but facts are facts, when they cremate a body, women with implants leave a big pile of melted goo in the ashes if they don't know to take them out before they light her up.

I agree, plastic surgery doesn't feminize a mans face at all.

R71 She’s so fetch,

No even when you add make up on top. Still very Masculin R71

Men dont have cheek bones like that R73, or lips or fake chins or arched eyebrows or skin so smooth it looks airbrushed on.

I was joking R74. In addition to some very odd surgery, he's wearing lip gloss, cheek contouring make up, foundation, highlighter running down the nose and along the top of cheeks, and most likely mascara and eyebrow powder. It's the highlighting make up that adds the very fake painted effect.

You guys are slipping.

Sometimes you don't know when to fold em.

Beauty is skin deep, ugly is down to the bone.

Kenny Rogers looks better than he used to—he got a bad eye job that left him looking Asian, but it looks like he had some corrective surgery in the photo at R77.

No he does not R79, that after pick is highly photoshoped.

Mickey Rourke's plastic surgery was due to his face getting messed up with boxing.

Sometimes WiseGuys want to get into the act.

In some cases it looks like they sucked fat out of the face and lips. Why Barry? Why?

Does anyone have a good current pic of Madonna illustrating her "work"?

R82 he's much older in the second photo. I'm not seeing obvious work. Liotta had acne scarring I think he's had dermabrasion or peals to improve it.

Edie Falco did pretty good with botox and fillers. Her ears are totally normal, so there's no facelift here. The pic on the left is from season 1 and the pic on the right is from season 5. If you watch the show, she just looks significantly younger in the later seasons vs. the earlier ones. The screen shots aren't the best, but in the actual show - she just looks much younger without looking like a muppet.

Loretta Young at 74

Meryl has had good work.

im 48 and jowls are starting to slide, upper face has some lines but not bad at all what procedure should I investigate? Lower face lift, neck lift?

Yes, R88. It’s mandatory to say nasty things about her here, but IMO, she looks like the ideal of a 69 year-old version of a Hollywood star. Her face bears dignified age lines, but she has obviously had procedures to tighten her skin without injecting her face full of jelly. Most importantly, anyone in, say, 1998, given a five-second glance at 2018 Meryl, would be able to identify her. No one in 1998 would ever be able to correctly identify Melanie Griffith, Renee Zellweger, et al. If they saw Meryl, it would be, “that’s an older Meryl Streep! If she looks like that at 70...wow, she looks great!” If a 1998 person got a glimpse of 2018 Madonna, it would be something like, “...is that...I want to say Madonna? Oh God, I hope not. Is she going to be like Michael Jackson? That would be sad. Maybe—is this a trick question? Maybe is that like a female impersonator who had plastic surgery to look like Madonna? I hope that’s it. This would be sad. I think Madonna is too confident to do this to herself, and she’s really found her spiritual center with this new Ray of Light album, so I don’t think this would ever happen. This one is a trick question!”

I have great respect and affection for Tori Amos, and so witnessing her aesthetic evolution over the years has made me think about why people do these things to themselves. Tori was a sex symbol to a lot of guys and girls in the 90s, even though her features taken one by one were not conventionally ‘hot’: she has very small eyes, a pretty big nose with a hump, a “funny lips shape” as she sings in one song, and a mouthful of jagged, uneven teeth. Yet she was cute and sexy to many, many people, in great part because of her talents and her boldness. In the 2000s, her song styles became adult-contemporary, and she had alarmingly noticeable surgeries: first, nose lost its hump and its bulb, her teeth became Hollywood-“perfect” one day, and then she had that eyelid surgery that makes people look like constantly surprised psychopaths. She filled her face with goo. She wore highly unconvincing wigs.

Her fans turned on her because they perceived her music to be about empowering women, rejecting the patriarchy, etc. So why might she have had this stuff done?

She has always complained about terribly painful TMJ, and supposedly the teeth are fake now because she had to have major jaw surgeries that affected her whole mouth. That may be true. Everything else obviously was to compensate for aging (and she has sung honestly for many years about accepting becoming older). She’s complained since around age 40 that the music industry basically smiles and dismisses most women over 40, telling them to be happy for their youthful success and to enjoy the pasture. She makes her money touring, and there are tons of photos of her playing piano under harsh stage lighting, and I imagine it could be agonizing to see yourself as an old person with every facial flaw in HD under harsh lighting. And her hair has always been thin, disguised a bit in her youth by its waviness, but it became thinner and thinner as she aged. Her mother has very thin hair and a high hairline, and so does she. I imagine neither she nor her fans would want to watch a balding woman in her 50s attack a piano and wail, and so I think she probably feels in a bind like Joan Rivers did. Imagine a 70 year old woman who looks like a 70 year old woman telling the jokes Rivers told and talking about fashion and starlets. It’s kind of a cognitive dissonance. Even if Joan looked like a Muppet, that somehow is an easier pairing with what she did for a living than a naturally aged 70 year old face. It’s easy to take these women down for what they do, but Joni Mitchell and other women who did age naturally disappeared completely from the public eye, their careers relegated to tiny local theatres.

I am very self-conscious and I have had six laser resurfacing treatments, one ablative, as well as fillers one time for my significant acne scarring. My heritage is mostly British and by British-stereotype standards my teeth look great but by US standards they look like I couldn’t afford braces or tooth whitening or veneers. My nose is biggish and crooked because of a very deviated septum—and yes, I have considered getting surgery to improve my breathing and to use that surgery as an excuse to get a cosmetic rhinoplasty at the same time. My ears stick out.

But here’s the thing I learned primarily from witnessing Tori’s self-effacing over the years: every one of her imperfections from the frankly bizarre teeth to the nose hump and bulb to the little squinty eyes really were unique, defining “quirks” that made her who she was. It kind of broke my heart to see her erasing these “flaws” to look like a “prettier,” indistinct version of herself. Since I respect her musicianship and her words so much, that would never change because of appearances, but it made me feel like she didn’t love herself every time she changed another thing. And feeling that way taught me that people who care about me would feel the same way. If I “fixed” my teeth and my nose and my ears, I wouldn’t look like me anymore. I’d look, best case scenario, like a more fuckable me...

...and I don’t need anyone I am close to looking at me and thinking, “God, I guess it’s really important to him to be fuckable!” As I wrote above, people did compliment my skin after I had a small amount of filler to even out my acne scars. And then I saw photos of myself from an event and they didn’t look like the me I’ve seen in mirrors all my life because even a half syringe of a “light” filler changed the structure of my face slightly and it really alienated me from myself to see that. So I decided I’m going to be human and just get old. You can’t stop it from happening. If surgeries etc keep you looking “fresher” or better rested for five years or so, there’s almost always a tipping point at which you look disturbing. I know several women through work who look superficially great on principle in their 50s: not a wrinkle, manufactured bright white teeth all in a perfect line, delicate feminine features. When they talk to you up close, it’s as unnerving as someone talking to you through a mask. It’s hard to trust them innately because they are hidden and overly modified. I don’t want to ever look great in a photo and unnerve people in person. I would MUCH rather be an average looking human being who people respect and don’t want to fuck. I checked off more than my share of got-fucked boxes when I was young and naturally fuckable.

I had to fire my accountant because he was so botoxed his face did not move. I told him that it made me uncomfortable to talk to him and as R92 said, it became hard to trust him.

And the weird thing is, these people do not know that the died hair and unnaturally smooth skin are now markers of age--and make them look a lot older than they really are.

R78 I think Carrot Top is a closeted trans.

remember me? I prayed on people's vanity through infomercials and took all of their money. Now I'm being sued for malpractice and a couple of deaths.

I use to catch Carrot Top's act on late night talk shows R94. He was 'cute' back then. Haden't seen him for a long time and someone posted a photo of him on DL and I was floored. It really is sad our country puts beauty before anything else.

Just get a facemaster and keep your face muscles nice and toned.

I've sometimes considered getting a facelift and getting out there again. Then I think I'm happier without cruising on apps, hooking up or dating. Because I used to do that a lot. In fact a lifestyle of sorts I rather admit. I don't have much free time though.

Scream queen Barbara Crampton, 59, seems to have gone the facelift route with some light fillers, and I think it turned out well as she looks like an older version of her young self.

But I'm guessing it's something beyond just a facelift. A phenol peel? She has a lot of sun damage on her chest and her her facial skin was already looking old 25 years ago. When she made her comeback in 2011 (in horror films at least) her face skin looked very pale and refreshed. I'm assuming the paleness is from having her skin completely rejuvenated with a phenol peel?

Barbara Crampton about 33 years before in Brian De Palma's 1984 film Body Double.

R64 This is sort of ironic:

Vladimir Putin is a BIG fan of Botox.

This makes him seem even more weird and sinister.

R102 Someone needs to inject botulism at his next Brotox session.

R99 - Holy shit! That's really BC at 59 years old??

Wish she could've advised Madonna. What Madonna has done to her face over the last 5-7 years is almost more disappointing to me than her last two albums have been.

Interesting thread. I can see a lot of males now have bletharplasty, or the fat pouches removed under their eyes. Done badly, it leaves you looking squinty, or with an expression like a menacing glare. I see this in some photos of Trump.

I had some laser treatment of sun damage.

R104 That pic has particularly good lighting and she photographs well when smiling. Her styling is terrible though (that blonde is too severe as are the hairstyle she wears). She needs to wear her hair like this pic and go with a softer blonde (she should just steal Michelle Pfeiffer's hair color and style).

In any case, I was mainly using her as an example of a facelift with minor filler work being preferable to pillow face. Barb looks like a more mature version of 20-something year old self at R100.

Bruce Willis looked very good at this recent Roast so he has had to have some work done. Lower face, neck lift probably, but how does a bald guy like him hide the surgery's scars?

A post-surgical Eva Gabor on the Joan Rivers show.

Does she look "natural"? Not quite.

Does she look good? Absolutely.

Why do their eyes always look small and beady after getting work done? Shouldn’t a lift conceivably make the eyes appear bigger?

I remember the old facelifts gave everyone a surprised look.