Critiquing Kamala at Netroots

No, but then Obama didn't have Bill's charm.

No. I want Mitch Landrieu who is an excellent speaker. But she’ll energize blacks and women.

No she does not. I'm supporting Joe Biden.

I think she’s terrific. Yes, I think she’s got charm, and I think she could handle Trump handily in debates. She can be populist in a way Hillary never was.

She would make much better VP ...

Mitch Landrieu Super Soul Sunday. If you miss a politician who can speak eloquently, watch this video.

right now I like Kamala Harris, Liz Warren and Deval Patrick

Kamala Harris needs to lose the pearls.

Ocasio-Cortez had a better impassioned speech.

I have heard she has an anger problem.

R10 Good. It’s time someone in the Democratic Party got angry.

Ocasio-Cortez is amazing, we'll see what she achieves in legislation. As for someone with more experience, Elizabeth Warren, of course.

R11, I agree.

What cheetollini's reign has illustrated most disgustingly is that a large number of Americans are energized not by fighting racism and misogyny, but by engaging in them.

I question whether a woman, especially a black woman, could win in the face of such, given how much fighting her would energize that sick base that is wholly uninterested in any actual policy.

Sometimes I wish the laughable conspiracy theories about the Clintons and their murderous ways were actually true, then we could expect a few folks to get their eventual cummuppence.

Any of you fools supporting a run of the mill Dem as the candidate need a reality check. No one that voted for Trump, those who really wanted a change, wants a candidate that is a typical politician. Kamala was part of the group that screamed for Franken to resign without allowing him an investigation. Franken is the kind of Dem that would do well against any Republican and bring in voters who were attracted to Trump because he has shown that he is not afraid to stand up to the bullshit beltway politicians try to feed us.

Fuck Kamala Harris.

Americans don't elect Jews as President, Americans scapegoat Jews. See Franken for details.

Franken should run. Franken/Harris ticket.

The old Democratic guard has no backbone. Ocasio-Cortez, Beto, do. Their standing for something. Defending the true party ideals. The Democratic octogenarians in DC need to go take a nap.

Hear, Hear R18!

Bernie did fine and was close to getting the nomination r16. You think a Black man being president is less loathsome of an idea than a Jew?

Can we ALL agree to rally round whomever is nominated? The last thing we will need in 2020 is division.

There's no reason for Dems to choose a candidate who will "attract Trump voters." If someone isn't willing to vote against Trump then they won't vote for any Dem candidate, regardless of how "mainstream" they are

Agree r21. Whoever wins the dem primary better have everybody's full support, the crucial factor is removing Trump from the White House. Anyone who doesn't understand that big picture is brain damaged.

She’s a scold with permanent RBF and zero sense of humor. Hard pass.

And Landrieu? I don’t think the rest of the country wants to end up like thie shitshow that is New Orleans.

Biden will basically be a corpse in 2020. Plus a dead son only gets you so far.

Decal Patrick has his closet to sort out.

I nominate Amy Klobuchar. Thoughtful centrist soccer mom who has carried a divided Minnesota with 60-70% of the vote. Will win re-election to the senate this year so no worries about losing a senate seat.

Agreed, R21. The survival of democracy in the US is at stake.

I saw her speaking the other day. As sexist as it may sound, she has the same screeching stump speech voice Hillary and Warren have that turn off so many.

She should be the VP candidate with Biden.

[quote]The old Democratic guard has no backbone. Ocasio-Cortez, Beto, do. Their standing for something. Defending the true party ideals. The Democratic octogenarians in DC need to go take a nap.

They need to achieve something before we start crowning them.

[quote]Anyone who doesn't understand that big picture is brain damaged.

Yes, and some who posted here will abstain from voting AGAIN if they do not get their ideal candidate. Care to guess which posters...

R29 they are achieving something by shaking up the old guard.

I like Harris, but she’s a dull speaker.

R15: Look everyone, the retarded Franken Troll is here to scream for his hero, who left and is not coming back! Get over it, bitch! WE. DON'T. CARE! Whiny ass slut. Franken has no impact going forward. No one should care about this, and the good news is, nobody but retarded little trolls do.

R14: Obama won twice, the same people will put Harris or Patrick or any other minority over the top, even Cory (GAG) Booker, The Fraud of Newark...

I hate the word Netroots and I have no idea why.

It's twee. Very tinny sort of word, you know? Tin, tin, tinny, dreadful TIN THING! Now online activists, that's a good WOODY sort of phrase. Gives on confidence

Anybody who thinks a cosplay socialist like AOC will have major appeal needs to look at the democratic primary results in 2016. Even with major Russian support for Bernie, he still lost by 3.7 million votes.

I can get behind Beto, he's not divisive, he can bring people together. But any of the fauxgressives can get lost as far as I am concerned.

R36: Blow it out your ass PUMA. There was no Russian backing, and it wasn't for "fauxgressives" (you're so clever, SNORT) voting for Hillary Clinton, she would have LOST the popular vote as well. You PUMAs didn't do that all by your little selves, not by a long shot.

OP - you're rewriting history. It is true in 2008 Obama got 60% of the vote. Bill Clinton in 1992 got 43% of the vote. Hardly a stellar example of getting out the vote.

R15 - What bullshit is Trump standing up to? He isn't standing up to any bullshit, he's just creating his own.

Anyone who wants to win in 2018 and 2020 needs to watch the ageist crap. In 2016 55% of voters were 45 and older. You can't afford to alienate a group of voters who consistently manage to get themselves to the poll on election day.

In 2012 over 60% of registered voters 65 and older voted. 38% of voters 18 to 25 managed to get themselves to the polls.

R37 is posting from an alternative reality.

I don't think Obama would have gotten 60% if he had run in a different year or against a different opponent. Bill Clinton replaced an incumbent president. That's something very few candidates achieve.

Obama replaced a very unpopular president during a time everybody hated the Republicans.

R39 is a retard.

Indictment: Russians also tried to help Bernie Sanders, Jill Stein presidential campaigns

WASHINGTON – It turns out Donald Trump wasn’t the only candidate the Russians allegedly tried to help during the 2016 presidential campaign.

A 37-page indictment resulting from special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation shows that Russian nationals and businesses also worked to boost the campaigns of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and Green party nominee Jill Stein in an effort to damage Democrat Hillary Clinton.

The Russians “engaged in operations primarily intended to communicate derogatory information about Hillary Clinton, to denigrate other candidates such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump,” according to the indictment, which was issued Friday.

R40: And everyone is hating the Republicans now. Trump is underwater. We do not need to worry about the race of our nominee. Enough of his voters have peeled away to allow him to lose. This was from Olbermann's next to final commentary for GQ last fall.

Bernie was NAMED in Mueller's indictments as a Russian asset as R42 says. Stop this Bernie shit.

R44: Absolutely not. Russian agents were informed to help his campaign online, not collude with him. He never sought Russian money or hacking. My God, you people need to stop. One is not equivalent to the other. Learn how to read what is released. I don't want him to run again and I won't vote in the primary for him again. But dammit, I'm not letting you PUMAs rewrite history and continue to trash us, the 90% of Sanders supporters who voted for Clinton, and gave her that popular vote win. WE did that. YOU'RE WELCOME, Clinton supporters!

NOW, back to talking about the future, not the past....

Obama didn't have a Bernie Sanders working against him or a Jill Stein taking votes away from him.

In the last 10 years a lot of things have changed, the alt right has become even more aggressive and they are not afraid to recruit foreign hostile countries to help sway elections. Russia was instrumental in the fauxgressive movement. RT was blasting 24/7 idiotic conspiracy stories of how American institutions need to be mistrusted. How capitalism doesn't work. The whole purity test, socialist movement was born out of stupid and easily impressible millennials eating up Russian propaganda.

So much for moving forward.

R47: Let's do that. Does Harris have a shot? I think she might. I just don't want Sanders to run again, I would prefer Warren stay in the Senate as well, both would be more effective there. And I REALLY don't want Cory Booker. Or Andrew Cuomo for that matter.

No. She’s like Hillary Clinton. She comes off like an ambitious calculating ladder-climbing career woman. The men are going to hate her.

We need a Democratic “grandma” to run. All warm cookies and big wide open arms....

R49: Madeline Albright would have been great in 2000, except she was born in Czechoslovakia. But I think she meets the definition you're looking for. A Golda Meir figure, perhaps.

R45 so what you're saying is a sitting US senator was aware a hostile foreign government was aiding his campaign.

This sitting US senator did not notify law enforcement or talk to the senate ethics committees.

This sitting US senator, one Bernie Sanders, remained quiet while he knew a hostile foreign government was interfering with a US presidential election.

Explain to me how this does not make Bernie Sanders a Russian asset.

R51: No, I'm saying what the indictment says, which was that he didn't know. RUSSIA told its agents to interfere by supporting him and Stein, which is wrong. But he didn't know. Stein on the other hand, the circumstantial evidence is more clear. But I've yet to see any evidence that shows that Sanders knew, despite trolls on DL saying it's gospel. Do keep up, dear.

Is she considered black by most people? She's actually half Indian (south Asian) half black.

Bernie appeared numerous times on RT during the campaign, he knew very well what he was doing. Along with him hiring Tad Devine who helped Yanucovick win in Ukraine, along with not signing the Magnitsky act and not signing the Russia/Iran/North Korea sanctions; he was doing Putin's work the whole time and he knew it!

R52 I beg to differ. Sanders knew the Russians were helping him. If you recall he blamed Clinton for the Russians helping him.

[quote]Is she considered black by most people? She's actually half Indian (south Asian) half black.

No, I don’t think most people consider her black. She looks multiracial, which she is.

Her exact ethnicity is probably a bit unclear to most people, the same way Obama’s was.

R55: Do what you want, you clearly only want to believe what you want.

R53: Does that matter? Obama was raised by a white mother in Kansas and Hawaii and Black America embraced him.

She seems to me like she has the intangible “It” factor that could make her successful.

And there’s no doubt in my mind that she could destroy Trump in debates.

R57 so what you're telling me is that you had no idea Bernie apologized and blamed Clinton.

Do try and keep up.

I think the ticket should be Kamala Harris / Beto O’Rourke.

The two of them together would have a very wide-ranging appeal that would definitely attract independents and now-disgruntled Trump voters. As well as excite the black and Latino parts of the base.

R60: O'Rourke has to win in Texas first. It is my upset pick of election night...

[quote] And Landrieu? I don’t think the rest of the country wants to end up like thie shitshow that is New Orleans.

He has no profile outside of New Orleans. The Landrieu family are politically correct but known for corruption.

R59: Apologized? For the data breach in 2015. Which had nothing to do with Russia. You really are just making stuff up at this point. Stop. You're boring people.

R63, when the first batch of indictments came out, and Bernie was NAMED, he then apologized and blamed Clinton.

I said nothing about a data breach, I said nothing about 2015.

You're all pissy because you are uninformed.

[quote][R29] they are achieving something by shaking up the old guard.

What I meant was, and I am sure you know this, they need to achieve something in terms of legislation.

R64: No, I'm searching through the news stories and the only apology that comes up is his apology for the 2015 data breach. He was not named in any indictment, for the final time. Russians were told to talk up Sanders online to hurt Clinton's standing, that's what the indictments stated. That is NOT that same as naming an individual for indictment, something YOU clearly don't understand. This conversation is over. Have a nice life.

Sweetie, R66, Bernie, Stein and trump were all NAMED in the first batch of indictments of mueller. They were NAMED as receiving aid from Russia in 2016.

Go to the US DOJ and read the indictments.

Stop with all this Sanders, Stein, and Clinton shit on here!

They are yesterday’s news, thank God.

Kamala Harris is the future of the Democratic Party.

God don't let it be her. I like her, but this backward country is nowhere near ready for a female POTUS, much less a black female POTUS. She hasn't a chance in hell at winning.

She has a very good chance at winning.

When Obama was running people said the country wasn't ready for a black president R69.

R71 but Obama had the benefit of Bush fatigue and an economic Republican catastrophe.

Ocasio Cortez is amazing, I expect big things from her.

The people pooh-poohing current Democratic front runners like Kamala are delusional. Do you not see who is currently in the White House?

ANYONE can win the Presidency if they have charisma and speak plainly.

R72: Why do you keep repeating the same crap over and over as though Trump is wildly popular and the Obama economy will continue into 2020. It won't, and Trump is under water now. Watch the Olbermann video above, and then stop posting the same incorrect take. Thank you. God bless.

R72 I’m not. But Deplorables vote, and Democrats don’t. Period.

Biden, people. Biden. See R69.

And so what if "Joltin' Joe" DOES croak midterm? The DEMOCRATIC veep then takes over, and all remains well.

No Biden, no Warren, no Patrick, no Booker.

Harris only.

R75: This November will prove you wrong.

R76: No. Biden is past it, has a history with women, plus Anita Hill. And R96 offered no proof to back up her assertions.

R77: I'm with you on no Booker, No Biden, and I think Warren should stay in the Senate, but why no Patrick?

2018 is a midterm election year.

In the presidential election of 2020, the result will be re-election for Donald Trump.

R80: HAHAHAHAHA!!!

That was good Blanche, now do Br'er Rabbit.

R81 I'm not R80, but people kept saying Trump wouldn't win in 2016 and look what happened. I remember a joke Obama made, paraphrasing here, that Trump would never see the inside of the White House. It is complacency that got us Trump and complacency will win him the presidency again. Nothing can be taken for granted. I'm really amazed how many people don't vote. We really need to start now telling people how important it is for them to vote. Trump has done so much damage in his short time as president I can't imagine what the US will look like two years from now. I don't even want to think what a second term with him will be like.

R79 Obama’s shoes are too big to fill.

then t's time for a pair of sensible pumps

R82 - tell people to vote, great idea. Why didn't we think of it before? Maybe we could call it Get Out the Vote? Or Rock the Vote? Maybe we could set up call centers across the country reminding people to vote. Arrange rides to the polls. Voter registration drives.

In other words R82 what would you suggest that many us haven't been doing for decades?

[quote]Obama and Bill Clinton proved you need to get Democrats excited

This is why I have 0 respect for any "Democrats" of the far left and Bernie Bro ilk. Do your fucking civic duty.

Kamala's not bad. Satan's little sister could run at this point though to be honest, and I'd do my duty and vote them in to get Trump and Putin's slimy hands off our country.

speaking of:

Trump will win again in 2020. Most people are sick and tired of the hate spewed by the media every single day...never ending. Hell where was this anger when we had war criminal Dubya in office? Media is screwing up and it is going to backfire.

R88, Agree that the media is a big part of the problem, just like it was in 2016.

Fuck off R85. You lack reading comprehension. I said people need to know how important their vote is. People kept saying no way would Trump win and they sat on their fucking asses and didn't vote. I dread the thought Trump could win reelection, but I'm not going to blame people that voted for him, I'm going to blame the people that didn't vote.

R90 - here is what you wrote

[quote] We really need to start now telling people how important it is for them to vote.

I simply pointed out we have been doing this for decades and provided examples.

Focus on what democrats have in common, not their differences.

They are all at least sane and believe in science.

You're an ass R91. You weren't "simply" doing anything. You assumed way too much considering I was talking about Trump and the thought of him winning reelection.

As much as it hurts to say i really think that Oprah is the only potential candidate that could create a cult following on par with Trump. It would be the zenith of pop culture. Oprah v The Donald in 2020. Imagine if she ran with Michelle Obama as VP? She could win. No joke.

No Oprah. No celebrities.

Why not just go with Michelle R94?

Why Democrats need to be cajoled into voting is beyond me.

R93 - sorry not psychic. I can't read your mind to determine what you meant your post to be. Less than creative ad hominem BTW.

R92 - Interesting point about believing in science. Even an issue like climate change where you would think opinions would be based upon science, they aren't. They have crossed over to the political realm. A poll of college educated Republicans and Democrats showed that only 8% of Republicans and 50% of Democrats worry about climate change a great deal. You have a President like Trump who insists climate change is a hoax but offers nothing scientific to back up his claim. Same with other politicians. You know the ones bringing snow balls on to the Senate floor. People believe them.

On the other hand the poll showed 33% of college educated Republicans want stricter gun control and 91% of Democrats want stricter gun control. On the surface that makes sense. But who are those 25% of Republicans in favor of gun control but not worried about climate change?

Here's a link to the data. It's an interesting read.

Sorry you lack reading comprehension skills R98.

[quote]Focus on what democrats have in common, not their differences. They are all at least sane and believe in science.

Many Democrats don’t believe in sex chromosomes. They believe that men can turn into women just by saying so.

r24: I also am put off by the resting bitch face. She seems to completely lack any sense of humor. She could be VP candidate because she ticks a lot of boxes. I like Liz Warren much more than Kamala--she seems genuine and I like her passion when she speaks. I think Biden or Mitch Landrieu (not sure Liz Warren is electable and certainly not Kamala either except as VP) with maybe Beto as VP (I have contributed to his senate campaign even though I don't live in Texas). No matter what some people say, I believe we need a center left Dem to attract independents and Trump women who are backing away (there's good polling data on this)--so I still think Biden is the best candidate because he is best known and has that blue collar everyman thing. He's the opposite of the crazy cheetolini in terms of public image.

Kamala needs to loosen up and kill the pearls.

[quote]I also am put off by the resting bitch face. She seems to completely lack any sense of humor.

I don’t give a fuck about her resting bitch face. People are upset about the state of our country and want a candidate who reflects that.