Steve Jobs told his daughter she ‘smelled like a toilet’ on his deathbed

Maybe meant toilet water, since it was an eau de toilette spray? Or maybe he was just an unrepentant ass.

Cuntery even on his deathbed. He must've been a DLer.

If you really think this is news worthy you need to spend weeks in hospice with your loved one after a year long battle with cancer. They are no longer themselves all the time as the cancer spreads to the brain. Give it a break.... My husband started saving food containers of all kinds. I have been throwing out trash bags of them. He was not like that before he was sick. BFD she smelled like toilet spray. Sounds like that really was what it was.

Did she get anything from the curdled old geezer when he died?

He and I were besties. Make of that what you will.

Was she in the Will?

Yes, he left her some millions, R4. I don't know how many or if equal to the three kids he had with his (second) wife.

He was known for being a controlling ass.

R4 I'm sure she did which is why I don't get why she needs to publish a sleazy tell all book. Yes, he was an asshole and denied he was her father but he's dead. It's time to move on. She has enough money so she never has to work a day in her life. She has it much better than most people. The "woe is me" act by millionaires is ridiculous. She has more money that most people will make in their entire lifetime.

Daddy’s Little Princess....

He's a historical figure. It's very interesting what she has to say about him and it's still totally relevant.

I wish Daddy would tell me I smell like a toilet. Or say anything to me, really.

She has horse face. Throw the bitch a carrot, hook her up to a carriage, and be done with it. I guess along with whatever money she got, she also inherited a chip on her shoulder.

Unless she had a glamorous parent like Miss Crawford, or Miss Davis, no one really gives a shit.

He was a very strange man.

Self-made billionaires are very strange with their children--they often treat them like they're trying to usurp their empires, because they know they're supposed to leave their children their fortunes when they die, and they resent the hell out of them for that. The TV show SUCCESSION is basically about this.

Its cathartic for her to write this about a person like her father who was lionized I am sure. If he was a raging asshole she has a right to tell her story. We don't owe the dead anything.

[quote]He and I were besties. Make of that what you will.

—Miss Griffin

Wrong Apple cofounder named Steve.

"Steve Jobs told his daughter she ‘smelled like a toilet’ on his deathbed"

That is what we'd call a horrible Jobs report.

Steve was known for his hatchet Jobs.

Maybe he meant the comment as a compliment.

"she ‘smelled like a toilet’"

Dad was a bit of a 'potty' mouth.

R3 - Do you know for a fact that he had brain metastasis? It's not an inevitable end for all cancers and there doesn't appear to be any evidence that he had it. Jobs was always an awful human being who seemed to revel in mistreating people..

I, too, have had experiences with with two people dying in hospices, One lingered for about a year and a half and the other was diagnosed in October and dead by March. I'd always known them to be decent people. Their most outstanding characteristic was their fatigue. On some level, it's kind of amusing that he could muster the wherewithal to insult.

Why should anyone give a fuck what he said on his deathbed? What does it matter? His daughter sounds like a mercenary little bitch. Obviously all she cared about was his money.

R14 Tell me about it. My mother came from nothing, made herself a little empire. Fool here helped out, even doing estate valuations, only to be told at a tax advisor/family meeting that I was not getting anything. It would be going to the next generation. TOTAL FUCKING CUNT.

My father was like that with me and he wasn't even a millionaire, R14, as in treating me as if my sole objective in existence was to rob him. I suppose it takes a certain kind of personality to acquire vast wealth.

I find people most suspicious of others like that are often reacting to how they would have acted if they had been on the receiving end. Basically they're assholes so they assume everyone else has the same motivations.

I never understood how this guy was a Buddhist.

She has every right to tell her story.

He was a fake Buddhist, like Harold Ramis.

She visited six times during his last year, sprayed herself with his Poo-pouri then took umbrage at his pointing it out, asked if she could have his car when he died (from the fleet, she assumed), then after he died, described his "sad, final-days" smell and bony condition to the world?

Amateur.

[quote] asked if she could have his car when he died

Please learn to read or do you really think a weak, bony, dying man was tooling around in his Porsche for old time's sake?

[quote] I'm sure she did which is why I don't get why she needs to publish a sleazy tell all book. Yes, he was an asshole and denied he was her father but he's dead. It's time to move on.

Oh for fuck's sake. You're on a gay gossip forum, Princess Grace. if you're going to fault people for dishing, go to another site. Otherwise you're a hypocritical asshole.

Jobs was an arrogant, hateful piece of shit. He received the end he deserved.

If he didn’t like her and wanted to insult her, why would he accept a hug from her?

If he didn’t like her and wanted to insult her, why would he drive her around in his fancy car?

Just from these blurbs, it sounds like they had a complex relationship like most parents and offspring. But the dirt sells, I guess.

"Jobs was an arrogant, hateful piece of shit. He received the end he deserved."

Boy, are you a cunt. No doubt you will get the end that YOU deserve. And it won't be a pretty one.

I don’t think anyone owes the dead anything. Especially in an instance like this where the dead person is someone who, good, bad, or indifferent, is considered an historic figure. I actually think more of these “warts and all” biographies/memoirs/etc. would be a good thing. I’m sure when McCain is finally gathered to his ancestors, we’ll all hear about his service, his being such a maverick, blah, blah, blah, when in fact he was, is, and should be remembered as a POS.

[quote] I find people most suspicious of others like that are often reacting to how they would have acted if they had been on the receiving end. Basically they're assholes so they assume everyone else has the same motivations.

This is an astute observation.

R33, that's not how abuse works. Even people who batter their spouses are nice to them sometimes.

A thief believes everybody steals.

If they weren’t good to you, you don’t have to be good to them. Even if he left her millions, he was ugly to her as a child (and throughout), and that hurt stays with you despite the money.

She found the perfume in his bathroom. He probably associated the smell with that. He was on his deathbed. He can say what he damn well wants. What is his daughter's problem?

[quote]Jobs was an arrogant, hateful piece of shit. He received the end he deserved.

Typed R32, from his Apple i-device.

He did deserve the end he got. He was so impressed with himself that he would t follow medical advice and decided on the Steve Jobs Cure of vegetable and fruit. Because it’s saved so many people before, you know?

And he didn’t want his perfect body cut into. He didn’t want it “violated.”

[quote]She has enough money so she never has to work a day in her life. She has it much better than most people. The "woe is me" act by millionaires is ridiculous. She has more money that most people will make in their entire lifetime.

How sharper than a serpent's tooth it is to have a thankless child!

He was a horrible person. Full stop.

[quote] Boy, are you a cunt. No doubt you will get the end that YOU deserve. And it won't be a pretty one.

You sound like you're trying (and failing) to be the Wicked Witch of the West.

Hon, people stopped becoming afraid of curses when the Industrial Revolution started. Try if you can to keep up a little bit.

She's crass to divulge that info to the public.

R37, my father was a physically and emotionally abusive alcoholic and if he spoke to me, it was to insult me. There is no way that I would visit him on his deathbed let alone hug him.

I understand that parental abuse creates complex emotions but if you know that someone hates you, you do not hug them under any circumstances.

[quote]R22 Obviously all she cared about was his money.

Who would be devoted to a parent that tells you you smell like a toilet, with their dying breath?

[quote]And he didn’t want his perfect body cut into. He didn’t want it “violated.”

Didn't he have a liver transplant very early on?

[quote] She found the perfume in his bathroom. He probably associated the smell with that. He was on his deathbed. He can say what he damn well wants. What is his daughter's problem?

I'm guessing he said it to hurt her, even if he "just meant" that she smelled like toilet freshener.

I hope this is cathartic for her...

He deserved a visit from Cathy Dollanganger in his infirmity

I would let anyone call me Toilet Breath for a few million.

I didn't follow the story. Did she end up getting anything?

I like you, r52.

R35 oh definitely. If you think the media slobbering over the vile McCain is bad now, just wait till the pos kicks it. It never ceased to amaze me how the "left wing " media will regularly tear democrats and their families to shreds for the slightest infractions but fall all over themselves to praise Trash like the McCain family .

Lisa is Cheryl!!!

I've always made it a policy to avoid people on their deathbeds. Emaciated,incoherent,doped up. Is that the last image you would want loved ones to have of you?

What was on his iPod?

R47, I'm sure she understands that now, with an adult's perspective. Children don't, and they tend to blame themselves.

Controlling, abusive Jobs was a well known asshole.

"Hon, people stopped becoming afraid of curses when the Industrial Revolution started. Try if you can to keep up a little bit."

Sweetie, you're an insufferable cunt. Try to do something to improve your no doubt lonely life. I hope things get better for you. But they probably won't.

The daughter sounds like a money grubbing twat. Her mother was the same way. No wonder Jobs felt hostile towards her. I think he knew she was only interested in him for his money.

Yes exactly! R23! The mom had sex with jobs at 23 because she was psychic and knew he would be worth millions one day.

She demanded a paternity suit and child support not because jobs had an obligation to feed a child he helped create but because she was a bitch.

Jobs daughter wanted a relationship with her father because she was after his money, not because she felt an emptiness and hunger for a father to love her.

What did Baez ever see in him...

Baez fucked Jobs and MLK, she should write a tell all.

Ass in life, ass in death.

He was well known as an asshole

Funny but the people I know who ended up with pancreatic cancer were all assholes too. I wonder if it's connected in some way?

I’ve been told worse.

R69 people who smoke cigars and pipes tend to have a higher pancreatic cancer rate.

Something to hope for.

danke R72

I remember listening to one of the eulogies at his funeral which cited his wife and their children at length, but didn't even mention his eldest daughter. I was offended on her behalf, but it also made sense. The eulogy specifically mentioned how devoted his was to his wife and her children, and the same could never, ever be said about Lisa. He never gave the slightest shit about her.

It also makes sense that such a control freak would become irate that some woman he fucked as a 23-year-old would have the audacity! to get pregnant and saddle him with a child he didn't want.

[quote] Maybe meant toilet water, since it was an eau de toilette spray?

Wait... are you saying eau de toilette does not come from toilet bowls???

Really!?

He was a narcissistic sociopath who successfully covered up that he died of AIDS, not pancreatic cancer. He wasn't going to die of a "gay" disease. Our late, lamented Gawker did a great take down of him. Most self made billionaires are of the same ilk.

Bezos' time is coming.

Below is a famous example of an inappropriately placed ad. I think it is entirely appropriate.

“Hey, you smell like a toilet!”

Jobs wasn’t HIV Poz. He really, authentically had pancreatic cancer, and it was caught early.

Pancreatic cancer is curable when caught early. Treatment varies, but usually consists of removing a lesion or small tumor, chemo, and perhaps radiation. All unpleasant, but survivable.

Jobs refused conventional treatment in lieu of loading himself up with fruits and vegetables. While I understand that a plant based diet is much healthier than other diets, I also understand that pancreatic cancer is 100% terminal if left untreated. Jobs was a bright man, and undoubtedly, he too, understood the risks and probable outcome for untreated, metastatic cancers.

She's entitled to tell her story and she's a really good writer. He treated her like shit before and after he acknowledged paternity and she conveys in a very effective and delicate way that he was all shades of asshole - withholding, manipulative, abusive. The Porsche story wasn't about her wanting a piece of his fortune. It was about her trying to figure out as a kid how she fit into his life - she and her mother were poor while he lived his billionaire life with his second family. As a kid she didn't really know how to reconcile these things - her impoverished and unstable life and his fame and fortune. That's why she asked him about the Porsche, to test out whether his fancy life was connected to her in some way. It's not clear, but it is suggested that she asked him this when she was 7. And that's the answer he gave to 7 year old kid. In the Walter Isaacson biography, it was pretty clear he adored his son and ignored the daughters he had with his wife. The guy had issues.

He was well know to park in the disabled spot! FUCK THIS CUNT!

R80 That's right. His fucking silver Mercedes with dealer's plates on them - he would exchange his car for the same model every six months to avoid having to put a numbered license plate on them.

"Smell..like..."

Actually, at the end there, he was talking to himself.

[quote]My father was like that with me and he wasn't even a millionaire, [R14], as in treating me as if my sole objective in existence was to rob him. I suppose it takes a certain kind of personality to acquire vast wealth.

My mom too, but not as extreme. She mentions her money a lot. Sometimes when she's had a few glasses of wine she starts bloviating about her inheritance (my grandfather owned a successful business) and how we're all "after her money". She's old and thinks a couple hundred thousand is a huge fortune. One time I had enough of her bragging and accusations of greed, so I told her I have amassed 20x the amount I stand to inherit from her AND I earned it (unlike her). She can leave her poultry fortune to the cat for all I care. That shut her up.

^paltry. LOL. I'd take the chickens if she had any.

[quote]Why should anyone give a fuck what he said on his deathbed? What does it matter? His daughter sounds like a mercenary little bitch.

You apparently care quite a bit.

Is it the crazy Apple cultists who act this way? The sheer violent hatred over someone daring to write about their own life is appalling. The guy was an abusive deadbeat, but SHE'S evil for saying so out loud? Please.

I love the "poultry" part so much.

[quote]Funny but the people I know who ended up with pancreatic cancer were all assholes too. I wonder if it's connected in some way?

Wow, thanks a lot.

^^Yeah, thanks a lot

Children can be so thankless. She deserves to be slapped. Hard!

[quote]She can leave her poultry fortune to the cat for all I care.

Cats probably dream about poultry fortunes. Take care, R83, that cat will take you down, Steve Jobs style.

This, my dear friends is a lesson:

STOP eating sugar. You will get liver disease.

All we know for sure is that Steve Jobs was a liar.

look at my jeans though.

What I find most amusing about Jobs is that he is of Syrian heritage, thus likely before death placing him, his company, his progeny and associates on terrorism watch lists for some reason or another, if not outright forbidding flight. His Middle Eastern heritage, Christian or Muslim, placed him in good stead for abusing and ridiculing his daughter, and apparently the mother/girlfriend of five years as he bailed out on after impregnation. A nice Middle Eastern stand up guy who would never in his million years wind up on no-fly lists, right? Sarcasm, ho! He might be a flight from justice.

Why don't Americans consider he might be a Syrian infidel cunt? I mean imagine all those Red States folks who knew his heritage and simultaneously threw up on their mobile phones once they knew that Steven Jobs was of SYRIAN heritage and denounced?

R94

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU SAYING?

So many Americans assume people of Middle Eastern heritage have nefarious intentions and are aided and abetted, if not entirely bushwhacked by overseas relatives and interests. searched, etc. at airports or other TSA portals. Would an industrialist like Jobs ever be scrutinized, despite his past and vast wealth?

[quote]His biological father, Abdulfattah "John" (al-)Jandali (Arabic: عبد الفتاح الجندلي) (b. 1931), grew up in Homs, Syria, and was born into an Arab Muslim household.[3] Jandali is the son of a self-made millionaire who did not go to college and a mother who was a traditional housewife.[3] While an undergraduate at the American University of Beirut, Lebanon, he was a student activist and spent time in jail for his political activities.[3]

Under our current administration, how might Jobs be considered by our State Dept. if his biological father and mother were/are alive in Syria? Would they be allowed passage to the United States to "visit" or would they be summarily dispensed with under the "Muslim Ban" and placed on a watch list of undesirables?

Bet Jobs never anticipated this mind fuck. Neither did I at 8 a.m. Does my poor writing really warrant your unwarranted screaming capital letters? I can only be glad that I offended you. Thanks, man. It's a great way to start the day. Especially with your type. Adios, puto.

But, the writing........so bad......

R94 is a fucking retard. Jobs was adopted and 100% American. He didn't even know any Syrians.

Exactly, R98.

He was raised by adoptive parents, never knew his bio's till he was an adult.

But seriously, that writing R94 is so bad. I think he perceives it as stylistically unique but it is god awful. I think it may be the worst post I have ever read on here.

I had no idea Jobs was such a shitty person. I hope she got a decent inheritance.

How can you be sure, R98 & R99?

Hasn't our entire establishment turned against particular people from particular locations who might have particular allegiances?

It's not me. It's just what our Trumpkins are telling us. I'm merely parroting what our Supreme Court and GOP has told us. Is that not good enough for you? If he'd been adopted form "Normay," we wouldn't even be having this conversation!

Since you you people are too fucking stupid to realize you're being trolled....

Speaking of bad writing, I would correct the grammar at R102, but you people are too easy to troll.

She sounds like a real cunt. Who would spray themselves with rose anything 1) stolen from someone else 2) right before getting real close to the person whose fragrance you just stole? He was right to call her out on it. Did she use his toothbrush while she was in there?

If she was a child during the Porsche story, then she very well could be misremembering the situation or conflating different events altogether. If she was an adult, it’s a gauche question and assumption that Daddy is going to hand you an expensive sports car. Maybe they were having a nice time and he was taken aback by this out-of-nowhere question?

R102 you really are a lousy writer, holy crap. And you seem to realize it and you are now twisting shit to say you are trolling.

He was always a nasty, horrible person.

Thanks, babe, R102

Maybe he was on the spectrum....

Oh, shit! I meant R105. You're fabulous, too, R102!

R107 I have to agree with R99 R100 that writing is so bad. Not sure WTF he was trying to say. Maybe its TRUMP.

R107 likes salad.

Word salad.

Not sure why people are bending over backwards to defend someone who was a well known dick to everyone who knew him (she's mercenary, misremembering, invading his privacy, but what about the abusive father's feelings?). Nothing she says here is inconsistent with what other people have said before, even about the relationship between them. As for people hand wringing over her revealing his last moments - he practically invited his biographer into his deathbed, his sister (Mona Simpson) already told us what his last words were, so it's not like his last days were sacred and she's doing anything he himself didn't already invite. Also, this is coming out 7 years after he died, so it's not like she rushed out to make money off their relationship. If you're talking about people trying to capitalize on his death, look at Simon Schuster and Isaacson. They rushed out that biography 19 days after he died, with typos and sloppy editing, because they clearly wanted to take advantage of the increased publicity.

There are a lot of DL trolls who like to be contrary to get people riled up. No rational person could think she was the wrong party in her relationship with her absentee asshole father.

He was surely a dick. Selfish guy that had a lot of power which made it so much worse. He had weird OCD shit which more than likely killed him.

The daughter is a writer. That's what she was doing before he died and presumably still continues to do. He knew she would write about the shit he said to her, just didn't care. I read the article and this one story stuck out to me - he named one of Apple's first desktop computers after her, "Lisa." As a kid, she was very excited about this because it felt like he was acknowledging her in some way. However, for years he denied it when she asked (likely because he was a dick and didn't want his kid to have the satisfaction of knowing she meant anything to him). At some point, he takes her and his family on a vacation and they visit Bono. Bono asks him about "Lisa" and whether it was named after the daughter and Jobs finally admits it is. I guess there are lots of ways to take that story, but my immediate reaction was, that guy punches down doesn't he? The one time he refrains from being an asshole to his daughter is when Bono is asking and watching.

God damn, R104 is really twisting himself into a pretzel to blame a child for "mis-remembering" a traumatic event. Jobs admitted to tossing those cars away every six months like used Kleenex. It was not at all inappropriate for her to ask him if she could have one of his throw aways if he didn't want it. Those old cars meant nothing to him. But he clearly relished withholding his used trash from his own daughter--- as punishment because she dared to ask, and also to punish her for her very existence, which he resented. His own child, living in poverty while he lived like a king. He was a fucking disgrace.

R116 You're conflating two asshole billionaire car stories here - there was a rumor he dumped his Porsches anytime they got scratched (this is the car the daughter asked about). There's a separate story (I think it's confirmed in the biography and there are plenty of pictures all over the internet of the car parked in various handicapped spaces around town) of him taking advantage of a legal loophole and arranging something with the dealer so that he could exchange his silver Mercedes every six months so he wouldn't have to get actual license plates for them.

As has been pointed out above thread, I am the only unworthy troll here. DL seems to think I deserve ignominy and derision more than Jobs, the awful human being who contributed marketing genius to our humanity and set DL imaginations afire.

Maybe I should sell raffle tickets for my spit roast once the fire gets toasty? Aren't sales are more lucrative than writing?

R118 you admitted that you were "trolling". And holy shit...please never write a post that looks anything like that which you wrote above. And above that.

I've been a Mac user since the 80s. It started out as a way to piss off my father who worked for IBM in the days before the AIM alliance. I've always been a big fan of the company, held on through the dark years after Jobs left the company and bankruptcy seemed almost a sure thing, and am happy to see what has happened to the company's fortunes since Jobs returned in the 90s. I admire Steve Jobs as a businessman and a visionary, but he was not a nice person. He was never a very nice person. He could be overly demanding, and abusive, that's part of the reason that he got booted from Apple in the first place. Honestly, sometimes he was a monster.

His mistreatment of Lisa is a well known fact, as is his mistreatment of Apple employees, vendors, and potential associates, and anyone else that pissed him off. I'm not sure about his behavior at Pixar, but I imagine that there are stories there as well. He seemed to rein some of that in after his return to the company, but a tiger can't change its stripes, even if it can hide them a bit.

He turned Pixar into an iconic company, and saved Apple. Steve Jobs was a brilliant man, but by most accounts a frequently unpleasant one.

"The mom had sex with jobs at 23 because she was psychic and knew he would be worth millions one day."

Oh, shut the fuck up. The woman was a cunt. Jobs gave her a house that was ostensibly to be used for her and the daughter to live it. She sold the house and used the proceeds to "travel the world." She didn't know he'd be rich as fuck when she started fucking him. But once he was, she wanted every bit of cash she could get out of him. No wonder he hated her.

[quote]She didn't know he'd be rich as fuck when she started fucking him. But once he was, she wanted every bit of cash she could get out of him. No wonder he hated her.

Fine. But that hate and resentment should not have extended to the innocent kid.

The courts decide what child support should be. If he bought her a house, it was probably part of the child support arrangement. If he was adequately supporting his kid by giving the mother a place to live and money to spend on his daughter, then he was complying with what was legally required. And if she sold that house and spent all the money on drugs, leaving her kid homeless and starving, Jobs should have sued for custody of the kid because she was clearly unfit. Problem is, he didn't want the kid. He wanted her to disappear, so he got what he got. Shitty fathers don't get to judge shitty moms.

“Daddy said I cwouldnt haff his zoom zoom cahr”

He just wanted to give her some juicy parting words she could peddle when she wrote about his croaking. And true to form, she has done just that.

What R125 said.

I'll never understand why Steve Jobs is lauded the way he is. Even in life, when the iPhone came out, I couldn't stand the look of him. Being in I.T. my whole adult life, I was always familiar with and would read up on him. Yes, he had a great business sense but he's also attributed with having "invented" all the technology Apple has. No. He did not. Cellphones were around, dare I say early smartphones before the iPhone. So were MP3 payers and online streaming services. The iPad was not as much new technology as it was new configuration of technology. He'd make things smaller, make them thin and paint them white, and hoards of us (myself included) would gobble them up like hogs, no matter how shitty they were. They were "cool". If the guy is remembers for anything it should be marketing prowess, not as some Tesla/Edison/Ford hero.

Even today Apple provides next to nothing by way of donating products to schools or non-profits. They provide slight price breaks but no donations. That's all a Jobs legacy. He was a vulgar, nasty and unapologetic Human being. We have one less nasty person in the world now that he's gone.

And I hope the daughter got millions and has pissed off his complicit doltard of a wife.

R127, you had me till "Edison".

Lisa was born when her parents turned 23, R64, but they had been having sex since they were a couple in high school, and had lived together in several places. Chrisann helped out with Steve Wozniak and Dan Kottke in the Apple Garage, at Steve's parents' house. They were not a fly-by-night couple.

Some cancer patients get pretty rank near the end. She squeezed some of his already rotting insides and the odor came up to his nose.

As the post above noted, he was just smelling himself.

By the way, mercenary children (if there are such) as adults usually try to hang around their parents, so they can use their parents' contacts, be constantly in their sight line, and get the goodies that come from that kind of life. I could reference many celebrity children of this type, but it's not really necessary.

What mercenary children of rich and influential parents DON'T do is run away to another fucking country--out of sight and out of mind--and stay as far away from the parent as possible, writing and reflecting about the world and themselves in it.

The daughter is not in any sense a mercenary.

Steve Jobs was a classic narcissist. Narcissist are angry, mean-spirited, childish jerks. Cruel remarks are normal for them. Was she surprised by this behavior? Doubtful. It’s all kind of boring really.

Steve gave Lisa nothing when she was in high school, and she was going to school with children of billionaires, the only one I can think of right now was the CEO of Atari (back in the '90s). It was very common for kids whose parents had done well with their IPO's to buy new BMW's for their progeny's 16th birthdays, which they would promptly crash. Lisa was earning her own money in the summer with Stanford internships and babysitting, and I think she had an embarrassingly crappy red pinto that someone gave her.

The thing is, Lisa handles this all very well. She's poised, careful, intelligent and accomplished. She was in journalism class with James Franco at Palo Alto High.

R133 And in college, he at some point suddenly refused to pay her tuition so she had to scramble for money by taking loans from a neighbor. I think one of his colleagues at Apple also loaned her money for grad school.

^Jesus, he was such a dick.

“Steve Jobs told his daughter she smelled like a toilet on his deathbed“

Why were there toilets on his deathbed in the first place?

"If you really think this is news worthy you need to spend weeks in hospice with your loved one after a year long battle with cancer. They are no longer themselves all the time as the cancer spreads to the brain. "

It's not really newsworthy even if the are themselves.

Even though I kinda like the term doltard, it’s dotard. Like when Sarah Palin ‘refudiated’ some statement she disagreed with...

He was an evil cunt from hell.

Apparently, he liked to stick his feet in toilets to relieve stress (I am not joking, I saw it in an article), so maybe he meant it as a compliment.

"Some cancer patients get pretty rank near the end. She squeezed some of his already rotting insides and the odor came up to his nose."

You are one sick fucker. Also retarded.

Jobs was a huge asshole, arrogant prick who hated himself and everyone around him.

He treated everyone like shit, no exceptions.

He was so arrogant and self loathing, that he refused medical treatment that would have saved his life. His cancer was staged at 1A or 1B, if I recall correctly, and the management and eradication of his pancreatic cancer was 100% treatable with a highly successful outcome as a prognosis. Instead, he chose to drink carrot juice and antioxidants. Who does that? An arrogant asshole who thinks he god and has all of the answers, that’s who.

Untreated pancreatic cancer is ALWAYS terminal. ALWAYS. No ands, ifs, or buts.

Many straight guys have a bastard kid that they hate. Its normal.

He also tried to deny his first child with his widow. This was a pattern with him.

There are way too many stories about him being a colossal asshole.

r140 You weren't kidding! From his biography:

[quote]"There was also the issue of his hygiene. He was still convinced, against all evidence, that his vegan diets meant that he didn’t need to use a deodorant or take regular showers. “We would have to literally put him out the door and tell him to go take a shower,” said Markkula. “At meetings we had to look at his dirty feet.” Sometimes, to relieve stress, he would soak his feet in the toilet, a practice that was not as soothing for his colleagues." (Pg. 82)

There was something very wrong with this guy. Like Howard Hughes level barking mad. He would be an incel if he was born 40 years later.

Was Jobs a dick to his adoptive parents? Was he an asshole as a kid?

After he was given up for adoption his parents wound up staying together and marrying each other . That's gotta sting.

Jobs didn't think like other people. Which is one reason why he achieved as much as he did. His brain worked differently.

Give me a break.

I don’t understand why her mother didn’t go back to court and get her better child support and a guarantee he’d pay for tuition. He sounds like a truly horrible person

R151 Unless the parents come to some kind of agreement, neither parent is responsible for tuition once the child turns 18.

[quote] I don’t understand why her mother didn’t go back to court and get her better child support and a guarantee he’d pay for tuition. He sounds like a truly horrible person

Because assholes with hundreds of millions of dollars can afford a team of attorneys who are horrible people who will drag you back to court again and again until you completely run out of money and can't afford an attorney of your own.

He was an asshole and he looked like shit, much older than his age

R151 I do sometimes wonder about the people who date individuals like Jobs. What did she see in him? And it couldn't have been money because Jobs and his daughters mother dated before he was rich .

"He was an asshole and he looked like shit, much older than his age."

You are an asshole. An asshole with an irrational hatred towards Steve Jobs. Who are you anyway, the fucked up daughter? Or maybe the fucked up ex? Anyway, you're really fucked up.

I wonder if Jobs intense paranoia about being cheated out of money led to his refusal to seek chemotherapy. Maybe the nut thought the doctors were trying to trick him into spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on chemo when all he really needed was fruit.

He didn't seem to love anyone

His personality stunk. He was clearly a major asshole. I don't understand the people who seem to worship him.

Yes, R147 he was awful to his adoptive parents. It seemed like they indulged him because they couldn't figure out another way to work with his behavioral issues. At least that's what I read,

BTW, parents are often required to pay a child's tuition in a divorce. It's not unusual.

A sociopath. They make the best CEOs. We worship them. Hence Trump.

R160 The law varies from state to state. In CA, the support obligation ends when the child turns 18, unless the parents enter into some kind of agreement.

r156 has been triggered. Why do people take it so personally when somebody says something they don't like about a celebrity they don't know personally? Strange.

Other people called him an asshole but I think r156 got mad because the poster said Jobs looked like shit? We have some real loonies on this board.

R163 R164 If you isolate R156 's comment history, they have been triggered quite a few times throughout the thread.

Thanks for the info R162.

[quote] It was very common for kids whose parents had done well with their IPO's to buy new BMW's for their progeny's 16th birthdays, which they would promptly crash. Lisa was earning her own money in the summer with Stanford internships and babysitting, and I think she had an embarrassingly crappy red pinto that someone gave her.

How she must have suffered!!

R163 is triggered. Why do people harbor a pathological hatred for a celebrity they don't know personally? Strange.

The only "loonies" and ones "triggered" on this thread are the crazies repeating over and over that Jobs was an evil, sociopathic "asshole" who hated everybody and everything. It seems to quite an obsession, which is quite disturbing. Anybody filled up with that much hatred has some serious psychological problems.

In the end, he was no wiser than an Appalachian rube, as he wasted away from treatable cancer. But genius computer boy thought fruit was superior to chemo. Did he understand the scientific method? What a dumbass.

He had eating disorders, you dumb clucks. Haven't you ever heard of eating disorders? Apparently not.

I need to know if Michael Fassbender had any full frontal nudity in the Jobs biopic.

Please. This is important.

R172 I'm here to help, but have bad news: no.

He had eating disorders? He was chubby before he got sick.

he was rumored to have liver transplants or something?

He had a liver transplant, yes.

Steve Jobs' Pancreatic Cancer: A Timeline

[bold]August 2004[/bold]: Jobs, 49, told Apple employees in an email that he had been diagnosed with a cancerous tumor in his pancreas and had undergone a successful operation to remove it.

"I have some personal news that I need to share with you, and I wanted you to hear it directly from me," the email read. "I had a very rare form of pancreatic cancer called an islet cell neuroendocrine tumor, which represents about 1 percent of the total cases of pancreatic cancer diagnosed each year, and can be cured by surgical removal if diagnosed in time (mine was). I will not require any chemotherapy or radiation treatments.'

It was later revealed that Jobs had been diagnosed in 2003 with the cancer, but he chose not to reveal this to investors at the time.

[bold]August 2006[/bold]: At Apple's annual Worldwide Developers Conference Jobs appeared thin and gaunt. Rumors of his death began to swirl around the Internet and in the media. An Apple spokesperson, however, said "Steve's health is robust."

[bold]June 2008[/bold]: Again appearing gaunt at the annual WWDC, Jobs' health soon became a hot topic. Investors began to worry about the state of Apple, especially because its CEO had such a "hands on" approach. Although initially reps said Jobs was suffering from "a common bug," a New York Times reporter wrote that after speaking with Jobs, "his health issues have amounted to a good deal more than 'a common bug,' [but] they weren't life-threatening and he doesn't have a recurrence of cancer."

At Apple's September 2008 Let's Rock event in San Francisco, Jobs used Mark Twain's oft-cited quote: "Reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." Later he brushed off journalists' questions and soon refused to answer any questions about his health.

[bold]January 2009[/bold]: Explaining his absence at a Macworld event, Jobs issued a statement blaming his noticeable weight loss on a "hormone imbalance."

But two weeks after he issued his letter, Jobs announced in an email that he would be taking a medical leave of absence from Apple.

[bold]June 2009[/bold]: A five-month period of relative silence about Jobs' condition during his medical leave was broken by a report in the Wall Street Journal that Jobs had traveled to Tennessee for a liver transplant two months earlier.

The Journal, which said it had no specifics on precisely where or when Jobs had the transplant, noted that the waiting time for donated livers is substantially shorter in Tennessee than it is elsewhere, since fewer people come to the three hospitals in the state that do transplants. Specifically, people in Tennessee wait 48 days, on average, compared with 306 nationally, according to 2006 figures from the United Network for Organ Sharing. Also, the state has no residency requirement for organ recipients.

Less than a week after the news broke about his liver transplant, Jobs was back at work.

And in September, jobs revealed for the first time details about his liver transplant -- including specifics about the donor.

"I now have the liver of a mid-20s person who died in a car crash and was generous enough to donate their organs, and I wouldn't be here without such generosity," he said in a statement.

[bold]January 2011[/bold]: Jobs announced that he would be taking medical leave, generating a new round of speculation about his health.

Shortly thereafter, a report in Fortune magazine led to speculation that Jobs had flown to Switzerland for a treatment not yet approved in the United States.

[bold]August 2011[/bold]: Jobs announced that he would be stepping down as CEO of Apple.

[bold]On Oct. 5, Steve Jobs died.[/bold] Doctors said the cause was likely a recurrence of his cancer.

R177 So what you're saying is, had Jobs sought medical treatment for his cancer like any rational person, not only would he have saved himself, but the liver would have gone to some person who probably would have benefitted from it for more than two years.

F&F r168, that wacko is triggered all over this thread

I can smell your toilet cunt!

R100 preach. I got through half the post and bailed. Seriously, what the actual fuck?

Driving new Porsches constantly is probably what gave him cancer. That 'new car smell' is actually a stew of carcinogens.

[quote]He turned Pixar into an iconic company, and saved Apple. Steve Jobs was a brilliant man, but by most accounts a frequently unpleasant one.

Okay, I Have to post this video, because Bill Burr blasted that theory out the water.

In this article, it is clear she was just a child when she asked about the Porshe, and even if she were older, I wouldn't see anything wrong with a person asking for the discards from their billionaire healthy dad at the time, who by the way only took her first vacation w/the family when she was 27.

Plus, Jobs should have counting his lucky stars that all he was paying was $500 a month and nothing more, while he was living the life of a mulit-millionaire and splurging on his wife and other kids.

My asshole no identity ex told me i should be sad the day Jobs died. I never let it go. Used his freakishness against him to the end. Like Steve Jobs saved polar bears, lions and wolf families. So glad that incel with IT bucks is a-gonner.

R3, go fuck yourself. Jobs was an ass with cruel eyes and never took on a charity. Thank God his medical arrogance led to his death. He WAS the cancer he had. Weidersehen, freak!

R183 LOVE Bill Burr! Thanks for posting.

I wonder how Steve Jobs will be remembered 10, 25, 50 years from now. At least Bill Gates (who I assume is also an asshole, obviously) does charitable work and, amongst other things, is trying to eradicate malaria, etc. He's created a legacy larger than Microsoft, at least.

I'm surprised by some of the reactions here to her story. I know many of the people here know exactly what it feels like to be rejected by ones parents. He hurt her. She tried. He didn't. So in the end why shouldn't she just care about his money. He didn't seem to do much else for her.

r3 My mother had cancer and was insulting me on her deathbed up until the last 2 weeks of her life. She finally relented and thanked me for being there. strangely all one ever dwells on is the hurt though, I guess because there was far more of that than the other.

R189 I thought this as well, but quickly realized that the vitriolic hate comes from one poster. Laurene needs to get the fuck off DL.

R179 is a triggered psycho with a pathological hatred towards Steve Jobs. What a sick freak.

It does seem like he was a pretty vile human being. And if she is his kid then she certainly has a right to talk about him.

I wonder how the other family dynamics operate w/Lisa and her sibs and stepmom. I know there was a cool reception when she did her regular visits to see her dad, but I need more.

She sounds weird herself and Jobs' widow is probably not the kindest person around.

In ‘Small Fry,’ Steve Jobs Comes Across as a Jerk. His Daughter Forgives Him. Should We?

-- In passage after passage of “Small Fry,” Mr. Jobs is vicious to his daughter and those around her. Now, in the days before the book is released, Ms. Brennan-Jobs is fearful that it will be received as a tell-all exposé, and not the more nuanced portrait of a family she intended. She worries that the reaction will be about a famous man’s legacy rather than a young woman’s story — that she will be erased again, this time in her own memoir.

On the eve of publication, what Ms. Brennan-Jobs wants readers to know is this: Steve Jobs rejected his daughter for years, but that daughter has absolved him. Triumphantly, she loves him, and she wants the book’s scenes of their roller skating and laughing together to be as viral as the scenes of him telling her she will inherit nothing.

Ms. Brennan-Jobs’s forgiveness is one thing. What’s tricky is that she wants the reader to forgive Mr. Jobs, too. And she knows that could be a problem.

-- Ms. Brennan-Jobs said she was nervous about how she would be described physically in a profile, and so I asked her to use her own words. “My face is uneven,” she said. “I have small eyes. I wish I had dimples, but I don’t. I think right now I look jowly.”

I interjected to say she had delicate features, and freckles, and was about 5 foot 2, with slightly reddish brown hair.

“My nose,” Ms. Brennan-Jobs replied, “is not particularly delicate.”

She is deeply self-deprecating, saying she was horrified to be doing “a celebrity memoir.” She said she was sure The New Yorker would not review the book, and that years ago, her first meeting at Grove only occurred because Elisabeth Schmitz, the editorial director, was doing a favor for a mutual friend.

-- Several times in “Small Fry,” Mr. Jobs engages in what seems like inappropriate affection in front of his daughter.

Ms. Brennan-Jobs describes him embracing Ms. Powell Jobs one day, “pulling her in to a kiss, moving his hand closer to her breasts,” and up her thigh, “moaning theatrically.”

When Ms. Brennan-Jobs tries to leave, her father stops her: “‘Hey Lis,’ he said. ‘Stay here. We’re having a family moment. It’s important that you try to be part of this family.’ I sat still, looking away as he moaned and undulated.”

--

Ms. Powell Jobs responds.

[quote]“Lisa is part of our family, so it was with sadness that we read her book, which differs dramatically from our memories of those times. The portrayal of Steve is not the husband and father we knew. Steve loved Lisa, and he regretted that he was not the father he should have been during her early childhood. It was a great comfort to Steve to have Lisa home with all of us during the last days of his life, and we are all grateful for the years we spent together as a family.”

The daughter sounds like a cunt. Her mother certainly was. Like mother, like daughter.

[quote]The daughter sounds like a cunt. Her mother certainly was. Like mother, like daughter.

We all would be cunts, if we had to keep turning the cheek. She, the faithful girlfriend of 5 years, worked at Apple when it was nothing, putting together computer parts. Then, she gets knocked up and had to go on welfare, because Jobs wouldn't pay shit. Two years later, the DNA test proves he is the father. He coughs up $500 a month, and then the company goes public a few days later, making him a multi-millionaire.

You think he would give her something? She did help build his company, and she had his child. She had to move 13 times in substandard places, while Jobs lived the lavish life.

Has anyone already read this book?

‘smelled like a toilet’ - so obvoius clickbait, he didn't mean anything bad

Rich people suffer from resentment issues like poor people. Who knew?

Maybe he meant this toilet, which is made of chocolate?

he meant a rose toilet spray

If you ever hang out with "business people / MBAs" you will know how fucked up they are. Jobs is one of them.

She found the "expensive" spray in his bathroom. He probably used it as a bathroom deodorizer, hence his comment to her that she smelled like a toilet.

If someone smells like bathroom deodorizer, you don't say anything, especially if it's your own daughter. If you do say something, you don't word it as "you smell like a toilet" unless you're trying to be hostile.

He was DYING. He said what he damn well pleased. And it was probably a weak joke on his part.

If she was offended by the remark, she has an extremely thin skin.

Wasn’t Jobs known for his own rather iffy hygiene?

I have read the book; it is wonderfully well written.

Here's a part I thought you bitches would like, when Lisa's cousin on her mom's side goes out to dinner with Steve and the family. When Sarah, the cousin, orders a hamburger, Steve says to her "What's wrong with you?" "You can't even talk, you can't even eat, you're eating shit." "Have you ever thought how awful your voice is? Please stop talking in that awful voice." "I wish I wasn't here with you. I don't want to spend another moment of my life with you. Get yourself together."

He talked loud enough so people at other tables could hear him. Sarah slouched and started to cry, and Steve said "You should really consider what's wrong with yourself and try to fix it." He got up and walked to the bathroom.

Lisa said "He's a mean person. It has nothing to do with you." "I know," said Sarah, "I know.."

R207 , Steve thought that because he only ate fruit that he didn't have to shower because he wouldn't stink, but he did stink. The president of Apple at the time, known as Scotty, had to take him on a walk around the building and have a talk with him about it. Later, Steve would do the same thing to Burrell Smith, a hardware genius who also didn't bathe regularly.

Lots of good Steve stories at the link below from a book written by Mac software programmer, Andy Hertzfeld.

R208 Jesus! How old Sarah was then?

Between 11 and 14, I think. R210

I notice that with the more recent story about how he treated Sarah, the fangurlz aren't swarming to defend him anymore.

Are people really devoted in a cult-like way to Jobs, or are these the anti-woman malcontents who defend every man regardless of what he's done?

[quote]I have read the book; it is wonderfully well written.

Does she write about his choice of treatment for cancer?

R212 If you hit the ignore button, you'll notice there's only one crazed fangurl here. Hint: It thinks daughter and her mom, and all of you who don't worship at SJ's shit-stained feet are "cunts."

Call me crazy, but I do believe assholes create stuff that, for the most part, assholes like. Like when depressed people are drawn to depressing music and color palletes.

Sorry, color palettes.

R215 I don't know what you're talking about.

Is Steve Machiavellian?

Machiavellianism in psychology refers to a personality trait which sees a person so focused on their own interests they will manipulate, deceive, and exploit others to achieve their goals. Machiavellianism is one of the traits in what is called the 'Dark Triad', the other two being narcissism and psychopathy.

Children have been asking parents for cars since the beginning of time. The Porsche was probably just one of several cars that Jobs owned. I doubt he had Honda Civics in the driveway.

Just out of curiosity: What did happen with all the old cars? Did he destroy these still in good condition cars while his kids had to watch? Did he sell them?

Steve Jobs was a sociopath. Not an ounce of compassion and care for others in his body.

He treated his children differently that's the point

iNotSadHeDead

Steve did not want license plates on his car, so he had an arrangement with a dealer to get a new car every six months which is the longest time you can go without actual license plates on your car.

Lisa thought the same thing, R220, which is that the cars were just sitting around somewhere, which is why she asked for an old one he had tossed off.

My father, on his deathbed, told me that I smell like those air fresheners shaped like pine trees in taxis.

Not the worst dad ever.

I wonder if Jobs was so paranoid that his cars' GPS locating system were taken out of his cars? That guy sure sounds crazy. He probably thought his kids would kill him for his money if he gets too close to them.

[quote]Not the worst dad ever.

I agree.

What you're looking at me for?

She should have quoted a very strong and empowered woman

[quote] [italic]For the love of God, just die![/italic]

- Patsy Stone

I believe Jobs detested himself. He was not a good person, & I am almost positive that he treated his wife and kids like sit too. If he treated them differently around Lisa, it was to hurt Lisa.

He loved nothing and no one, other than power. Power was the love of his life.

All that money couldn’t buy him a cure for his cancer.

Money. When it can't buy you eternal life or even happiness. What's it good for? It's just an alternative dick measurement.

Well, we should be grateful that Jobs found his unique niche in the world, regarding his career.

Just think, this asshole could have been your doctor or your school teacher, or university professor. Or perhaps a film director.

He could have made countless lives absolutely miserable, other than the lives of his family and work colleagues.

Deathbed? I’d have told old dad that I may smell like a toilet but you’re going to smell even worse in a matter of days.

Steve Jobs' biological father, the Syrian Abdulfattah ("John") Jandali, was a piece of work, too. In one of his jobs as an academic, when he was a professor at the University of Puget Sound, he led a group of students from the university on a short, winter-term, study-abroad course in Egypt, where they were supposed to study "Egypt Since the 1952 Revolution." In Cairo, he ditched the students and took all their prepaid money for the trip, leaving them with no money to pay the hotels and no airplane tickets home. At one point, he was spotted gambling in a casino in Cairo, probably using all the money he stole, before he vanished for good.

Jandali got fired from UPS for this stunt, and I don't think he ever held another job in academia (in the USA, at any rate), even though he had been a brilliant economics and political science grad student at the U of Wisconsin, where he met Steve Jobs' biological mother. Jandali eventually washed up in Reno as a food and beverage manager for a minor casino.

Back home in the United States, Jandali's other child (Mona Simpson) and her mother made numerous attempts to track him down and get him to pay some support to his abandoned family. He dodged all responsibility for Mona and his ex-wife and was a complete fail as a parent. Mona used a lot of this material in her novels "Anywhere But Here" and "The Lost Father."

[quote]I believe Jobs detested himself. He was not a good person, & I am almost positive that he treated his wife and kids like sit too. If he treated them differently around Lisa, it was to hurt Lisa.

He treated all of his children different. He liked his son and the youngest daughter the best from what I can tell. A lot of it I got from this link.

Continuing. . .

However, that link got it wrong with Jobs relationship w/Lisa. Still, it's a good read.

He was so twisted:

[quote]Ms. Brennan-Jobs describes her father’s frequent use of money to confuse or frighten her. “Sometimes he decided not to pay for things at the very last minute,” she writes, “walking out of restaurants without paying the bill.” When her mother found a beautiful house and asked Mr. Jobs to buy it for her and Lisa, he agreed it was nice — but bought it for himself and moved in with his wife, Laurene Powell Jobs.

Another bit from the book:

[quote]But Lisa’s role turns out to be more like Cinderella’s, as neighbors — who come to play fairy godparents in her life — observe. (These neighbors take her in when her father expels her, and pay for her senior year at Harvard when he refuses.) Steve demands absolute fealty: He pressures Lisa to change her last name to his (she adds it with a hyphen) and insists that she not see her mother for six months. Lisa cries herself to sleep out of grief and guilt about abandoning Chrisann. She is made to wash the dishes by hand each night (Steve refuses to repair the broken dishwasher), to sleep in a chilly room (he also refuses to repair the heater) and to serve as an on-call babysitter for her brother. When her father and Laurene invite her to join them at a fancy wedding in Napa, she is thrilled. She pictures it as her coming-out ball, where she will “be included, in public, part of the family! The daughter, the sister.” She’ll need to buy nylons and pick out a dress, she thinks, in “an ecstasy of decision-making.” But when they get to the hotel room and she starts to change, they let her know she needn’t bother: She won’t be attending the ceremony. They have brought her to babysit for her brother.

[quote] Her father goes to great lengths to make her feel excluded when he is with Laurene. In one of the book’s most grotesque scenes, he grabs Laurene when the three of them are sitting in the garden and starts making out with her, undulating and “moaning theatrically” as he puts his hand up her skirt and Laurene opens her legs to reveal “a scythe of her white cotton underwear.” (A startling metaphor: Has underwear ever been figured as a scythe before?) When Lisa gets up to leave, he forces her to stay and watch, telling her, “we’re having a family moment” and “it’s important that you try to be part of this family.”

[quote] The scene feels to her more like “a performance” than an expression of uncontrolled lust — a performance Steve inflicted on her with a previous girlfriend as well. He also likes to joke by simulating sex and frequently engaging her in sexual conversation. One morning, he looks up from his newspaper to ask if she masturbates. Chrisann’s own memoir, “The Bite in the Apple” (2013), describes her horror when she arrives at Steve’s house to find him joking about sex between his prepubescent daughter and random boys. Lisa’s face, Chrisann writes, is “blank with pain and confusion.”

[quote]When her mother found a beautiful house and asked Mr. Jobs to buy it for her and Lisa, he agreed it was nice — but bought it for himself and moved in with his wife, Laurene Powell Jobs.

Jesus christ.

So what's up with this Laurene bitch? She goes along with all of it, even making out with Steve in front of his daughter to make her uncomfortable. She abused Lisa almost as much as he did. And it sounds like he abused one of the kids he had with Laurene too, which she seemingly had no problem with. Sick.

Why did this girl want to become loved by this vile man? He was a piece of shit. I wonder if her mother insisted on her developing a relationship with him, due to money. When she came into his life, she was still a kid, and wouldn’t have had that particular motivation herself.

He was a sick fuck, and personally, I would 1) NEVER allow my daughter to be around a man such as Jobs, and 2) I would have taken him straight to court after the IPO, and had the child support payments adjusted accordingly, along with proving to the judge that he was in no way fit to be a decent father, and would have gotten 100% physical custody on top of the cash.

She could have EASILY done all of those things, and could have secured a decent life for herself and Lisa, without exposing Lisa to her piece of shit father.

Poor girl. Bet she’s ruined when it comes to men.

R241) I totally agree; she should have hauled his ass back to court for more child support. However, I understand why she wanted her daughter to have a relationship w/her father.

What a damn shame. Fucking disgusting behavior.

Never had an apple computer and never an I phone. I just don't get the hype about Jobs. The fact that he thought he could treat his cancer with herbs and psychics totally baffles me.

Lisa's mother was a bit messed up, too. She did ask him for more money yet apparently never went to court, for whatever reason. Then when she was sick (and not entirely in her right mind) and Lisa was well into her 20s, her mother wrote him asking for millions, and a second time asking again or else she'd publish a memoir.

She absolutely did not handle it well, but I suspect Jobs took advantage of the fact that she wasn't the kind of person who knew enough to get a lawyer and take it to court.

Or she knew that he was so rich he could ruin her if she even tried.

Forgot to mention that the article says he did eventually start to increase the child support to $4K a month, but from Lisa's book it sounds like she had to change her last name before he would do it.

Didn't know he faked impotence and infertility to try to deny Lisa was his. What a fucking asshole.

I didn't realize Jobs second wife looked so much like him.

People like him and Donald Trump are assholes who use their money and power to torment the people around them stroking their own egos by treating others like shit and getting away with it, because they so great, rich and powerful. They would fall apart if people would refuse to play their petty mind games and just leave on their own (no, no! You can't leave on your own! I'M DUMPING YOU! You're fired! You will never work in this town again!).

Another useless Semitic whose overhyped "genius" was little more than other people's work and then, in the end, using that supposed Big Brain just to smart himself to death.

On her deathbed from bone cancer, my mother told me she wished I'd kept with Weight Watchers so I wouldn't embarrass her at the funeral. Bitch.

R250, was she at least wealthy, leaving you a big chunk of change?

I understand fucked up parenting, being that my mother is NUTS. My father was also fucked up, but not inherently unkind or cruel.

Jobs was far more intelligent than Trump, the two weren’t even on the same platform in regards to intelligence and education. Also, Jobs was truly self made, while Trump started off with a huge advantage over Jobs. Jobs made it because he was hungry, highly intelligent, and actually personally committed and invested in the outcomes before him. Yes, he obviously had tons of help from a fantastic team, but he chose the right team, and got the results he wanted, without having to resort to laundering money for political despots and adversaries. Neither men were decent human beings. Both total trash. One was just superior to the other in ways that actually mattered, and this is why Apple is Apple, and Trump is a failed businessman, a successful money launderer, and an illegitimate POTUS who is unable to actually do his job.

Relative to the $20 billion he had at his death, she didn't receive much, especially given how little he provided while she was a child.

If you read the article, her mother was awarded child support of a few hundred a month four days before Apple went public and he became worth $200 million - a HUGE amount at the time. He KNEW exactly what he was doing - probably made sure the case was settled before it happened.

Fortune is the primary source cited for the "multi-million" dollar inheritance. However, most articles make it sound like it was only a few million, not tens of millions. While a lot of money, court records, including his denial of paternity and unwillingness to take a test until ordered to do so by the court, and accounts by other people suggest he treated her like crap for the majority of her life.

This behavior is consistent with most accounts of how he treated other people.

The child support did increase to $4K per month, but I wonder for how long? Sounds like it took years for him to work himself up to that amount.

Mona Simpson wrote about this relationship in her novel "A Regular Guy." She was Jobs sister and they were reunited about 25 years before he died and she wrote a wonderful obituary. She loved her brother but she saw him, and wrote about him, clearly.

It's like this great old saying:

Steve Jobs was always an asshole. It just goes to show assholes come in both straight and gay varieties.

[quote]Fortune is the primary source cited for the "multi-million" dollar inheritance. However, most articles make it sound like it was only a few million, not tens of millions.

I thought she got the same as her half-siblings.

This is the type of asshole who is destroying humanity with their tech savvy bullshit. Fuck Silicon Valley and its rogues gallery of sociopathic aspies tech trolls who lack empathy.

Children of successful people don’t deserve tens of millions of dollars as an inheritance unless the person who made it all thinks so.

What’s the problem? Maybe she needed to be told. Women always smell, which is why they invented douches.

No cunt is more smelly than your rectum princess

R257 , Lisa got the same inheritance as her half siblings, but their mother has the rest of the money which is now over 20 billion dollars and it is quite likely Lisa will be left nothing else and Laurene's 3 kids will split the billions.

I don't know, but I guess the 4 Job's kids got 10-15 million each, which in California is enough to buy a decent house and health insurance and lead a decent life. Laurene bought a $15 million dollar horse ranch in Florida for her youngest daughter. The second daughter has had a nose job, lip inflation, and dyed her hair blonde to get rid of the Job's middle eastern look and look more like waspy mommy.

Personally, I think Mona Simpson betrayed Lisa by siding with the disgruntled widow and her kids by claiming Lisa's book was not the way they saw their father, because Mona has always written about her family including Lisa in a way that was untruthful and embarrassing.

I have also heard that the Oh, wow, oh wow, oh wow, that Mona claims were Steve's last words are bullshit, not that those are such great last words anyway.

And, like Chrisann said, although Lisa's book was hard for her to read, Lisa was very restrained in the things she said about Steve: he was much, much worse.

R255, an invisible fairy tale figure who is imaginary doesn’t and did not give anyone money, much less did it give money to Jobs.

I can’t stand the dead guy, but Jobs earned his money, right along with the people who worked with him and for him. And the only person who gave DJT any money, was his father.

Please grow up and stop looking at the world in such a senseless way. People become very wealthy because they either earn their money, or inheritance, or win the lottery. God doesn’t give them a dime because he or it, doesn’t exist.

What does exist, are people who are sociopaths either earning their wealth in legal, or illegal ways.

[quote]The child support did increase to $4K per month, but I wonder for how long? Sounds like it took years for him to work himself up to that amount.

I never heard that he increaded it to that much. I heard he increased it to $500 per month.

If he did go up to 4K Lisa was most likely a teenager by that time, because Lisa said she and her mom had to constantly move to find cheap rent. When she was around 16, he allowed her move in w/him. However, he didn't want her to have any contact w/her mother. He wanted her to embrace her new family and leave her high school.

Chrisann talks about her relationship with Jobbs, when they were dating.

Here's an interesting bit.

[quote]Steve and I still shared nights of lovemaking so profound that, astonishingly, some fifteen years later, he called me out of the blue to thank me for them. He was married at the time of his call and all I could think of was, Whoa . . . men . . . are . . . really . . . different. Imagine if I had called him to say such a thing.

r247, Laurene doesn't really look like Steve. I don't see it, at any rate. Lisa and Mona both resemble Steve strongly.

btw, Laurence isn't the "second wife." She's the first and last wife. Lisa's mom was his girlfriend in HS and young adulthood.

Is Laurene still dating Adrian Fenty?

Lisa Jobs interview.

I hope she replied to him, "Go blow, Jobs."

The New Yorker will feature an interview with Judine, Laurene's younger sister.

Wow, you can see that she resembles Jobs a lot in that interview, R268.

Someone should tell her that her left side is not her good side. She should face the camera with the other one.

I hope she makes a ton of money from this book.

[quote]Someone should tell her that her left side is not her good side. She should face the camera with the other one.

She is fairly attractive woman, who appeared nervous during the interview. I think a little spray tan and lipstick would do her good. Below she glows.

[quote]Is Laurene still dating Adrian Fenty?

She was last year, but supposedy they broke up. I find it odd that she's buying or thinking of buying the Wizards. Here they were last summer vacationing w/her daughter.

Continuing... I only saw one obscure site that said they parted ways, so I'm thinking she's still with him.

[quote]Children of successful people don’t deserve tens of millions of dollars as an inheritance unless the person who made it all thinks so.

No, they deserve child support as minors irrespective of what the person who made the money thinks.

He barely provided any - and nothing near the hundreds of millions that he had would have entitled her to receive.

He paid what the court ordered and was never in arrears. Are you related to the grifter mother?

Going from Steve Jobs to Adrian Fenty -- Laurene Jobs sure has a hankering for complete and utter assholes.

[quote]He paid what the court ordered and was never in arrears. Are you related to the grifter mother?

Up until the age of three, there was no payment but a welfare check. Jobs only settled for the $500/mo, because he knew w/in a few days he was coming into a windfall. Otherwise, he would be skipping those payments.

(not the poster you referenced)

How does that entitle her to billions of dollars she didn’t earn?

[quote]How does that entitle her to billions of dollars she didn’t earn?

It doesn't.

The point which you seem blind to understand is that child support is ALWAYS a function of the paying parent's income and wealth. He paid nothing during her early years, then settled for an amount woefully lower than he would have had to pay had he not settled before his Apple windfall.

She's not entitled to anything. Merely pointing out that he was a deadbeat father. And, had he paid an amount remotely like what a $200 million fortune in the 1980s would have entitled (yes, a child is ENTITLED to have support from a parent commensurate with that parent's wealth and income), she'd be quite wealthy today.

I find it hard to believe that getting a few million as an inheritance is not considered wealthy

It's not wealthy in California.

[quote]Going from Steve Jobs to Adrian Fenty -- Laurene Jobs sure has a hankering for complete and utter assholes.

I can't find anyting on Fenty other than he was a DC mayor. Please share what you know.

[quote]How does that entitle her to billions of dollars she didn’t earn?

Her mother help build Apple. Why not give his first daughter a nice chunk of his money? Since he didn't, the truth is unleashed in an biography which happens to talk about how nasty he was.

I hope that cold cash was worth it, because Jobs' rep is tarnished. He was a deadbeat for most of his child's life. He would take her out to dinner and skip paying the bills. He would get into an argument w/his daughter and stop paying her college tuition, leaving her to scramble and ask his friends to help her complete school.

If he meant that she smelled shitty (rather than over perfumed), it's possible he was actually smelling his own decaying body.