Frumpy Royal Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie feel bullied by the public

Their PR team is first rate --as the timing of this is impeccable. Right before the wedding and just after the whole Megan Markle bad daddy fiasco.

Their lives would have been so much easier if their father hadn't pressed so hard for them to be Princesses.

They're too far down the line of succession to be of much importance. Anne had the right idea when she declined her children being made HRHs.

Has Princess "Bush Baby" Beatrice been known to blink?

Also, her face has all the intelligence and introspection of a bowl of pudding.

The combination of uselessness, unattractiveness, and brainlessness is lethal, and is not going to endear you to any public.

A princess working at an art gallery. How brave and inspiring.

They should become charwomen or chimney sweeps.

Is Princess Breatrice known to be homophobic?

That'd explain why her wardrobe assistant let her out like this:

Ugly girls unfortunately.

Someone linked a video here of one of them being interviewed, and she was surprisingly attractive in flight.

Eugenie is cute, actually.

There is no way their princess titles aren't going to be revoked. They are too homely, end of story. Growing up with their mother in royal exile must have been a nightmare.

Whoever said their titles would be revoked? That's unheard of.

I agree however that they can't have had the best of childhoods with their mother's behaviour. Weirdly, despite Fergie's actions, she's apparently one of the Queen's favourites.

I think the Queen must be senile by now, R12. We need a regency.

R11 - They were born with those titles, no one, ever, is going to "revoke" them. And they didn't grow up in exile, they grew up in England.

However, it is true that their whining about the public eye after their father, right after the Cambridge wedding, tried by might and main to get them onto the royal gravy train, insisting they were "senior royals" and should be given public work to do (translation: get a pice of the Sovereign Grant Pie), is a bit specious. They would have been delighted to be in the public eye if Charles had given in to Andrew's late realisation that William's marriage had reduced his daughters to a final irrelevance, and they were being paid by the British taxpayer to be in the public eye. With Harry's marriage, Bea and Yuge might as well be invisible.

Eugenie is actually quite pretty - striking colouring and reasonably nice features. She's a throwback to her very petite, dark-haired, blue-eyed great-grandmother, the Queen Mum, and she has the lovely complexion they all have. If she kept the weight off and was styled correctly, she could make the most of her tiny figure and colouring. Beatrice could look better even with the bug eyes and big teeth, her colouring is nice, too, but neither girl has the least idea how to make the most of what they have.

And unless my eyes deceive me, Yuge has got to be the only royal bride in history to put on weight rather than lose it in the weeks before the wedding.

Doris from the East End: I was thinking checkout girls at Tesco or Waitrose, but I believe those have all gone automated by now.

As for Bea's hat at the Cambridge wedding: I have never ceased to wonder at Philip Treacy selling it to anyone. He is right: his own head should have turned up on a spike - wearing the hat.

*a PIECE of the Sovereign Grant pie (not pice)

R14

Of course, Beatrice and Eugenie can't hold a candle to the imperial princesses of our American royalty, like Ivanka ,Melanie, Oprah or the Kardashians of all genders, imagined or otherwise.

r16 What?

"they said it was hard being a working woman"

So they have been told by working women

They feel bullied by the public? Just wait till they discover the datalounge.

Wasn't Fergie criticized for choosing the name Beatrice?

R18 - That's the kind of comment that has turned them into objects of derision. Neither one of these women knows the meaning of the word "work" and Beatrice, in particular, has spent nearly her entire adult life flitting from one high society vacation to another.

It's the same lack of reality that informs their wardrobe choices.

[quote]Wasn't Fergie criticized for choosing the name Beatrice?

I think the criticism was about Fergie's initial choice Annabel. The Queen has to approve the names of royal children up until Xth in the line of succession and she vetoed it. It would have appeared unseemly to name a royal child after a popular London night spot your mother and Princess Diana used to frequent. Proprietor Mark Birley named the club after his wife, who later became more well known as Sir James Goldsmith's mistress with whom she had an illegitimate child while married to Birley who she eventually left for Goldsmith. Not the best choice, but Fergie isn't the sharpest. I don't know if there was criticism about Beatrice

R22 - then it could have been Bel and Yuge. Or Bellend and . . . never mind. That was rude.

I do indeed feel sorry for them. You're born into this family, born a princess, and you have no choice whatsoever but to be what you born into. And yet, you'll never, ever be a monarch or even that close to the monarchy, like Harry and his future family. And you're in the public eye no matter what, and people will criticize you no matter what. And somehow, you're expected to BOTH be an impeccable princess and make a living at the same time, offending no one. The money is irrelevant. They know no different than gobs of money. I think it must be very challenging to be a second-tier royal.

On the continent, second-tier royals are not bothered and butchered like Beatrice and Eugenie. Look at Princess Madaline of Sweden, who is married to a non-royal, has three kids, and seems to do nothing much more than shop, eat out, travel and generally be upscale Euro-trash, yet she's practically worshipped in Sweden.

They are a sort of female Tweedledee and Tweedledum -- but far from the worst of that family

R22 I think the objection to the name story could be apocryphal.

Try as I might I can't find link (or photo) demonstrating a link between Sarah Ferguson and the Goldsmith family and she has been photographed with almost every rich Aristocrat (and every rich dreg) in almost every country in the world.

Links between Princess Michael, Diana & Camilla and Lady Annabel all exist and are well documented. There are also many photo's of Diana and Jemima Goldsmith.

Just nothing with the chief Royal grifter Sarah, Duchess of York except for the 'hen night' story from 1986 when Lady Annabel and Mark Birley (who owned Annabel's) had already been divorced for 11 years.

It would seem strange for her to name her daughter after her or the club.

I don't feel particularly sorry for either of them (though I feel sorry for the pain of being roundly mocked.). They are young women with brains. From their eighteenth birthdays they could have asserted their independence from their father and ignored their titles and announced it and then just made their way in the world as best they can. They would have been welcomed warmly at rare public appearances in support of their grandmother. Instead its holidays and dabbles in employment and bad clothes. That they refer to themselves as princesses says it all. They're clueless, probably by choice.

R26 - I read it in Tina Brown's biography of Diana "The Diana Chronicles" and it appears that the press reported it contemporaneously. This '88 Chicago Trib article references it.

Fergie may not be associated with the Goldsmith family, but it doesn't mean she didn't enjoy evenings out at Birley's club without press scrutiny. She seems like the type to do this - "Great times, wonderful memories," like people who name their children after the location where they were conceived. Tacky. Regardless, the name Annabel is tainted with scandal. A very public out-of-wedlock birth in high society that involves a cuckold and a much wealthier and powerful lover was then, and now still is scandalous. What do you think the Queen thought about her grandchild being her namesake?

R28 I suppose another reason to explain an objection to Annabel could be that It's the name of Camilla's Sister.

Camilla and Charles affair was certainly back in full swing when Princess Beatrice was born in 1988

Not sure why, but I find myself rooting for them. I’m not a royalist, but sometimes about them is endearing.

R4 could /should be speaking of the Duchess of Sussex.

I do have sympathy for them. Here we are, ragging on them and their looks—it’s no wonder that seeing that stuff all the time would be upsetting. None of us is made of stone, tbh. It would take some one with nerves of steel to not be affected.

R2 Anne did not decline a HRH for her children . Zara and Peter were never eligible for it because those titles go through the male line and other titles are inherited from the father and Mark Phillips has no title to pass on . The Queen offered him a title (duke, count whatever) and that was the title they declined . Had he agreed Zara and Peter would be styled like Edwards kids even though those two should be HRH Prince(ss) Louise and James of Wessex instead of Lady Louise and Viscount Severn .

Too bad. Start an animal charity for dogs, you dogs.

The struggle is real.

Oh boo boo. They can cry into their big bags of money.

These two parasites do nothing but bum around London and go on vacation. Ain't nobody got time for that shit!

R37 = Meghan, trying (but failing) to endear herself to the in-laws.

WTF r38?

Some insane anti-Meghan Markle troll r39

I love Beatrice and Eug. They are so useless and dumb they cycle back around to amazing. I would say I’m rooting for them, but they’re never going to do anything beyond what they’re doing now. When they are old women living together in some apartment in Buckingham Palace together, perma-drunk and gossipy, I hope one of them manages to dictate a book about how to be a princess. They won’t even knit because they’re too lazy to learn. I sort of admire they’re aggressive slothfulness. They raise it to an art form, like Princess Margo.

At least Margaret was aware of her position and never tried to pretend to be something she wasn't. And she had a razor-sharp tongue and could be a delightful bitch. These girls are just dumbshits.

Their father was a dullard, their mother was a whore and they are both ugly as shit. They contribute nothing and can't even dress properly. If they both dropped dead tomorrow, who would care?

R40 - Actually, that's a quite different deranged anti-Meghan troll (troll=anyone who thinks that a half-black actress could be a famewhore grifter who grabbed Harry to solve her approaching middle-age third-rate actress dilemma). You have him mixed up with me as that isn't my post..

You might at least sort us out properly.

R43 - Nailed that one, I'm afraid. That pretty much sums it up. Andrew makes Charles look like Einstein and whilst Diana was a headache, she was at least a headache with beauty and pedigree - she was tragic rather than crass. I'm sure Charles is fond of his nieces (perhaps even of his brother) but they explain his alleged desire to "streamline" the monarchy and why the only people on the balcony after the celebration of the Queen's Diamond Jubilee were the direct heirs. The point wasn't lost on Andrew. The message was clear.

Bea and Yuge, in fact, have far more public attention than they merit.

Charles is right about trying to streamline the Monarchy. Only the direct heirs, it makes sense.

I think they'd be held in better regard if they had dressed better.

R47 - Yes, I wonder about that. We keep circling back to this in the matter of Kate and Meghan, as well. On the one hand, it seems a shallow point, but on the other, how people dress tells you something about how they view themselves and their relationship to the world around them. One can't help drawing conclusions about personality from dress, and the striking thing about the way the York girls dress is how detached from reality it seems. Bea actually wore a quite elegant, appropriate coat-dress to the Cambridge wedding - then she added That Hat, and you wonder that she even left the house in it. Yuge's outfit to the Cambridge wedding looked like Peter Pan on steroids.

Kate's style of dress reflects who she has always been, just upgraded a bit; Meghan's dress reflects her fantasy of herself as a British Royal Duchess and is at odds with her own body type.

If the York girls dressed the way, say, Lady Sarah Chatto does (Margaret's daughter and allegedly one of the Queen's favourites among the younger generation), with quiet elegance, and their father hadn't tried so hard to shove them down the public's throat when he realised after William married it was all over for them, they wouldn't be the objects of derision they are today.

I saw footage once of the royals leaving Christmas services at Sandringham in 2011, the year William and Kate married, and as they left the church, Kate stopped at the top of the steps looking at the media frenzy, and the expression of anger on the face of Yuge, who was behind her and who stepped purposefully around Kate, was priceless. It told you everything you needed to know about the "blood royal" resentment of the media darling upstart married-in. They would never admit it publicly of course, but Yuge let it slip in that moment. I wish I could find it.

I don't know why, but I do feel for them. They are inevitably part of something they'll never be actually part of and they really have no choice and keep getting pushed further and further back in the line every time their first cousin cums.

Is their father well liked amongst the royals? He's always seemed like a grifter to me.

R50 - No one knows how they really "feel" but Andrew has been at the center of some very nasty stuff that he has only escaped more exposure for because of his family's status. He's known as an arrogant prick, frankly.

There used to be a story that finding himself one evening in a bar with a superior officer, Cadet Windsor graciously told the officer, "You can call me Andy," and the officer replied tersely, "Thanks. And you can call me 'Sir'."

Maybe Kate and Wills aren't done having kids yet. I love the idea of Kate and Wills popping out one kid after another just to make absolutely sure that the ginger idiot doesn't have a chance in hell of inheriting the throne.

Are they half-raccoons?

No, just bad eye makeup to match the hideous dresses.

The only objection to the name Beatrice that I recall was from Jennifer Saunders, who had given birth to her own Beatrice some months or so prior to the bushbaby's arrival. She said something along the lines of "I did it first".

Beatrice is a traditional name of British princesses. I can't see why anyone would object to it.

Also Andrew was and remains a senior royal so I can see why his children are in the spotlight. In the princesses' defence, they've tried to live normal lives to the best extent they can. One of them went to Goldsmiths, which is a pretty minor university in a shit part of London. As to their holidays, do you expect a child of a senior royal to holiday in a caravan park in Essex?

R56 when they look and act the way they do, the girls are well-suited to a caravan park. Same with their mother. They may be of the Royal blood, but it was diluted 90% by Fergie.

The courtiers we're right when they called her vulgar.

They remind me of the unfortunate daughters of ambitious women. They might be plain and untalented, but nobody puts Baby in a corner! They want to be what their parents want to be.

I do feel sorry for them. They don’t seem like bad people.

[quote] One of them went to Goldsmiths, which is a pretty minor university in a shit part of London.

Neither of them strike me as Oxbridge material.

I doubt their statements that they are working women and that they are princesses are going to help their cause any.

I have a bit of sympathy for them. They were born princesses, had a pair of fuck ups as parents and can't have had the happiest of childhoods, despite their privilege. Their hands are tied in what they can do - they're still members of the royal family no matter what they do. They've tried to do 'normal' things and were criticised for that. They've tried to be less conservative in their fashion and that didn't work. They're not conventionally pretty so get slagged off for that.

One thing that I have noticed about them is they've stuck by their mother despite all the embarrassment she's caused the family. They seem like a good pair of girls who've lived through difficult circumstances and don't really know what to do with themselves now. They get criticised whatever they do. What are their options? They can't just walk away into obscurity.

They could do something about their style choices, Bea could get her teeth fixed, and they could do some volunteer work instead of spending half the year on holiday. And they could avoid giving interviews where they describe themselves as princesses and working women.

The things with Royalty is that the only job of women is to produce heirs and raise them to be healthy. That’s they’re only purpose.

They have been out-Fraued by Kate.

They should have got a ring on it straight after University, popped out some sprogs and started up an organic baby clothing line with some rich pal.

R63 is giving them some very good advice, they could've become the queens of useless posh mommy scene in Notting Hill, had they branded themselves properly.

By dressing the way they do they invite the negative comments. Their fault.

Yeah, Beatrice is slim and leggy. Eugenie has a pretty face. Both have potential. They should employ stylists. They need to hire Gok Wan.

Eugenie needs to get fitted for a supportive bra!

R64 - I concur with your assessment of R63's advice. But I'm not sure Notting Hill is exactly the right place these days.

As for the caravan in Essex - depends which end of Essex - Clacton, most like - other areas of Essex are doing extremely well.

Essex is where many of the Cockneys moved to regroup when they lost their old stronghold in Newham.

These two poor frumps pale in comparison to the true fresh rose of the British peerage, Lady Victoria Hervey. Who really should become a DL icon.

‘We are the first: we are young women trying to build careers"

Oh, my sides.

R70 - LOL. Beatrice with her 15 or so annual vacays is trying to build a career as an air hostess. She's doing "research".

These hoes is ugly...

Breast reduction for both, and diets. They must eat like pigs.

At least Eugenie is somewhat attractive, she's the spitting image of her father who was handsome as a young man. Poor Beatrice is a lost cause.

Beatrice looks like an extraterrestrial.

Sarah, Beatrice and Eugenie are my favorite royals. They have personality and pizzazz. They go about their business as it were, and they take a hell of a lot of criticism. And they keep plugging along. I like them. I hope Eugenie's wedding gets big play even though it falls on a Friday (Oct 12). By the way, Sarah was just about the best dressed at Harry's wedding. I never expected it but she looked good, better than most everyone else who got a lot more coverage.

R76, I agree. Sarah looked fantastic, definitely best-dressed at that wedding. Never would have thought it. A pleasant surprise.

They look and act like typical Millennials.

I like Sarah too. She's far from perfect but it's often forgotten she was friends with the royals from a young age. She's not the 'trash' she's often called.

There was some distance put between her and the rest of the family after those scandals but I'm of the opinion that was to keep the media happy. She was savaged by the media from Day One because she wasn't Diana, yet the family by all accounts actually really like her and get on with her.

They are such an ugly family. And so boring and devoid of style.

I love their portrayal on the windsors - vapid to the max. With a grifter mother.

R77 - possibly best-dressed of her generation that day, but in the next one down, I give Lady Kitty Spencer the prize - that could have been Frump City but her height, slenderness, and beauty pulled it off.

It's not the clothing. She can't walk in heels and is always overly animated and guffawing.

Vulgar, vulgar, vulgar.

Eugenie, so desperate to be of royal importance... She'll be a laughingstock with that Mandela quote on her wedding invitation.

Tacky as hell.

Before The Queen ascended the throne in 1952 there wasn't a precedent for an extended Royal Family to assume royal duties, unfortunately as her father died at a relatively young age and her children were toddlers she had to bring her cousins in to fulfil duties. She even kept her mother Queen Elizabeth, The Queen Mother working into her 90's.

It will not happen when Charles becomes king. The girls are surplus to requirements.

I like Gene and Bea. They've been looking great lately, their new "Vogue" shots look fantastic. And they seem to have their mother's spunk. There's also something of an old world, royal battleaxe quality to their personalities that I like.

R84 - Good lord, the pretentiousness of it all! As if this girl had made the slightest difference to one single solitary life on the planet but their own!

Bea and Yuge, like their mother and father, and Harry and Megs, and to a lesser extent William and Kate (the latter are somewhat cushioned by Kate's low-drama profile, Home Counties persona, and motherly aura with the cute kiddies) are walking advertisements for Robespierre and the guillotine.

R84 *but HER own.

R88

You go girls.

The Royal Lodge isn't owned by Andrew and never will be. It was "given" to him as a residence by the queen, but it is Sovereign property, I think.

Based on the past year, it looks to me as if Prince Charles has had a change of heart. Prior to Meghan Markle the story was he saw the post-QEII firm as him and Camilla, his kids and their spouses, and their kids. But over the past year Beatrice and especially Eugenie have had their profiles raised, riding in carriages at appearances with Camilla, for example.

Everything I've read suggests they are popular, personally, in the family, so maybe that was taken into consideration as well.

Neither is a classic beauty. Eugenie has an Edwardian figure and great looking skin and hair, so she works that. She's never going to be the long-legged model-type thing, and IMO it's unfair to call her dowdy because of genetics.

Rather than be like an American celebrity and try to physically subdue themselves into something conventional, they go with who they are. I'm interested to see what Eugenie's wedding dress looks like. A lot of people think Vivienne Westwood would be perfect for her. I just don't want her to do a "typical" royal wedding dress which is pretty much either the column style w/boat neck that Markle and a bunch of other brides did, or the lace dress.

"As to their holidays, do you expect a child of a senior royal to holiday in a caravan park in Essex? "

Bullshit - it isn't where they holiday (but it does add to the opprobrium) - it is the quantity of and time they spend on holiday.

Then they bleat about "working women"?

GMAFB.

Bullied by the British public ? what a laugh, the British public reaction to Airmiles dodgy friends and lifestyle Prince Andrew and Fergie and their off spring are like meh ! Princess Anne did the right thing with her offspring not making them HRH.

I don’t know much about these girls but Eugenia in R87’s picture looks beautiful. Striking and lovely. Her sister looks frightening

R87 - Er, just a head's up: the word "spunk" in England means something quite different; in the context you just used it, to a Brit, the word is quite hilarious.

R91 - Bea and Yuge have always ridden in carriages to Ascot, that's nothing new. They look marginally better, but the only real measure of whether they're being remade as "working royals" to offset the attention on the American arriviste is if they begin taking on official events representing the family.

Only then will we know that Charles has relented a bit, but we will only be able to speculate at the reasons.

[quote] At least Margaret was aware of her position and never tried to pretend to be something she wasn't. And she had a razor-sharp tongue and could be a delightful bitch.

She wasn't considered delightful by very many people, and even the few who thought she could be agreed she was an asshole most of the time.

Cry me a fucking river, bitches. Your poor widdle feelings are hurt. You should know what it's like to "work". Some people don't even have clean water.

Unfair to call someone out on genetics? DL lives for this.

Hauser and Worth art gallerie is a foremost authority on modern art.They have locations in New York (which is why the princess is often in NY),Los Angeles,Switzerland and Los Angeles. Their collection is estimated at between 30-50 million dollars.Princess Bea was promoted to director in 2017.She dosen't just "work"at an art gallery. She runs them......i know her Marlboro education may not impress many....but that job can't be handled by someone who dosen't have an extensive understanding of modern art.

"Princess Bea was promoted to director in 2017.She dosen't just "work"at an art gallery. She runs them......i know her Marlboro education may not impress many....but that job can't be handled by someone who dosen't have an extensive understanding of modern art"

Apart from not knowing how to spell "doesn't", you really don't know that for a "foremost authorities" gallery, you can still be a work-shy dumbo who wouldn't know modern art from wallpaper *IF* you have a Princess in front of your name?

R100 - I believe it's Princess Eugenie who works in art world. Beatrice has no know profession other than vacationing.

I get really pissed with these young royals. They're always whining on about how dreadful their royal life is. Oh woe is me. They take their status for granted. Perhaps they should try living in the real world for a while and see how that can be. They should all take a lesson from the Granny Queen's Rulebook: Don't explain and don't complain.

I've been in the high-end art business for years. It's filled with women looking for husbands, and those wanting a little pin money and to get out of the house. It makes realtors look like geniuses.

"Leave Beanie alone!!!

They both look psychotic. As in Alex Forrest / Catherine Tramell level crazy.

Wow. Vogue must hate them.

Eugenie has a pretty face when she cleans up. Beatrice is just hopeless.

Remember when the Queen sat beside that dreadful Wintour woman at that fashion show?

Voila, Vogue spread for the two princesses.

I don't know, R96, they both appear to be getting far more positive publicity than they used to get, starting with Harry's engagement to Markle. Eugenie in particular.

You are probably right, R108. She decided their stars should ascend, the better to eclipse the M word.

Now now, R102. I used to read about how Harry endlessly, endless whinged about the burdens of being royal. Turned out what he wanted was a constant infusion of cash and no responsibilities. A lot of the working men and women who loved his faux everyman demeanor that didn't stand on ceremony took him for a regular bloke who would prefer a regular life. Nonsense. He wanted an aristo life with wealthy parents who underwrote everything he did, gave him a substantial trust fund, and made no demands. You know, like his friends. THAT's what made him whiny. All of his friends were rich and did what they wanted, went where they wanted, didn't have any responsibilities in their 20s because their parents were indulgent and they were allowed to "find themselves." He was "stuck" in KP without the funding to buy a glamorous house or flat (impractical anyone because of security) and "Stuck" having to show up for tree plantings, insipid carriage rides, and the like.

What Harry really wants is the life every spoiled celeb, superstar, royal, etc., wants. All the perks and privileges of position and wealth, none of the inconvenience, obligation and responsibility. Harry wanted to be a (much richer) nob with the status and perogatives of a royal but none of the expectations and responsibilities of a royal.

^impractical "anyway", not "anyone".

I think both princesses look terrific in Vogue. It's exactly what you want. You don't want them to look like generic Hwood starlets or models. You don't want them to be mainstream. The blogs that bleat on about Meghan "modernizing" the monarchy (even though shit, half the time she dresses like an 80 year old Palm Beach socialite slipping into dementia) miss the point. Everybody wants royals to look impractical. When she's on display, nobody looks less practical than Princess Anne (and nobody looks MORE practical when she's on her own time). Everybody wants that eccentric vibe. That - they dress expensively and expensively and it's "too much" and also odd, and if they were down the block from us you wouldn't look twice, but look at them! Eug and Beatrice (or Vogue stylists) have it down pat in that photo with the layers of vibrant, textured, luxurious fabrics and the dowdy but expensive shoes. It's perfect.

The girls WERE surplus, R86, but then came Meghan.

Stuck in Kensington Palace? We should all be so lucky. Harry might have done a reverse and married a billionaress, called it a day.

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R116 - God, Fergie looks seriously shopworn.

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[QUOTE] Their lives would have been so much easier if their father hadn't pressed so hard for them to be Princesses.

They're too far down the line of succession to be of much importance. Anne had the right idea when she declined her children being made HRHs.

They were born Princesses of The Blood. It’s their birthright, nobody had to press anyone for their title.

Anne’s situation was different. Her husband was a commoner and had no title. The Queen offered him a peerage title and he declined. Her children would have, at best the honorifics of a peer’s child . Lord/lady or maybe the son would bear his father’s secondary title by courtesy.

Talk about living up to the cliché about pets and their owners... six stumpy-legged lumpen dogs in the same photograph.

Who cares about flattering when you're welding, r118?

Those sunglasses resemble the contraption eye doctors have you look into to determine you eyeglass prescription.

God, Fergie is aging like shit! Is she a boozer?

R123 - She's starting to look uncannily like Linda Blair at the height of demonic possession in "The Exorcist".

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No, most people in the UK look like this every evening.

And this.

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Yes, we should all feel sympathy for vacuous, lazy, entitled cunts whose parents are grifters par excellence.

I think that's why everybody went nuts for her at the Meagain/Hairball wedding: she looked and behaved appropriately and didn't disgrace herself. Mugging for the cameras, or anybody else, was minimal.

Fergie's alright, she just doesn't know how to behave. Actually she does know how to behave. She just can't control her exuberance.

Hmm R130 Sarah Ferguson has never lost the same habit as Meghan of waving to the press/public.

Vulgar, vulgar, vulgar. And common.

These girls (women) are so smart in some ways (like sucking up to Grandma at every available opportunity), but so dumb in other ways (always having their loser mother around)

Fergie is going to fuck up that wedding. She's going to do a "Thomas Markle" and make a fool out of herself. She just can't help it. That's what drunken fuck ups do. She's already giving out cringe worthy interviews. Good old fergie, any chance to make a buck, get some publicity or just get some media attention and she JUMPS at it.

And when the Eugenie gets married and lives at Kensington Palace, the couple won't be able to get rid of her. She'll be over there all the time visiting and being photographed by the paps entering the gates to KP

[quote] I think that's why everybody went nuts for her at the Meagain/Hairball wedding: she looked and behaved appropriately and didn't disgrace herself. Mugging for the cameras, or anybody else, was minimal.

It was minimal but it wasn't absent. You just know how much it must have killed her to not be able to stand out there for hours, making the whole thing about herself (making crazy faces with her big gob and gesticulating wildly with her hands).

But she KNEW that she ABSOLUTELY had, had, had to be on the best behavior of her entire life. She probably had on a secret shock belt and had an assistant follow her and shock her when she tried to mug for the cameras or talk to anyone

R134 - Brought up my nightcap on that one!

Andrew probably married Fergie because she was naughty in bed. She has nothing to offer anyone else, especially the general public. It's hard to understand why anyone even discusses her anymore.

R136 - "It's hard to understand why anyone even discusses her anymore."

She makes good copy; her two daughters keep her at least marginally on the front page; everyone knows Prince Andrew is still supporting her or she'd be destitute. It's a good story - why should the tabs ditch it?

Ok, let's stop bitching for just a moment and wish Princess Beatrice a Happy 30th birthday. I can't believe she's only thirty. Shit, I can't stop bitching.

And she thinks that eye makeup to enhance her bulging eyes is attractive? She needs to make friends with some queens- forget The Queen.

She looks pretty in R138's picture

And her dipshit mom is the one who tells her to make "her eyes pop"

R136, YOU'RE discussing her in this thread. So obviously she's still relevant.

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R111 is right. And include these two. They just want to be rich with no responsibilities and no jobs. Those that are rooting for them, if your american how would you feel paying their way? When they are useless? If i was a brit, paying for these people would make me scream. They have obviously hired pr, there are lots of stories on the net right now about how wonderful they are. With their money they could have gotten the best education for a "real woman". They might as well just majored in French.

How often do they read DL?

[quote]Ok, let's stop bitching for just a moment and wish Princess Beatrice a Happy 30th birthday.

I can’t believe she shares a birthday with Shawn Mendes! That is really fucked up!

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[quote]Despite the best efforts of their father, who is said to have asked the Queen to let his daughters undertake official royal duties — which would have allowed them to be paid from the public purse — the Duke's request was denied. Consequently, Beatrice and Eugenie receive no income from the Sovereign Grant, the government-funded £82.2 million that covers Royal Household salaries. To add insult to injury, the princesses' £500,000-a-year taxpayer-funded 24-hour police protection was withdrawn in 2011 to lower monarchy costs, much to the fury of Andrew, who reportedly feels his girls are being forgotten as William and Harry increasingly take centre stage.

[quote]From idling off Ibiza on Roman Abramovich's £300 million yacht to ski breaks at their parents' £13 million Swiss chalet in Verbier — which has a swimming pool and six members of staff — the sisters have enjoyed years of luxurious holidays.

[quote]Between November 2014 and December 2016 they are believed to have taken 25 foreign trips between them. Their holidays have included breaks in Spain, Abu Dhabi, California and the Bahamas, a visit to Sir Richard Branson's Necker Island and (another) sojourn courtesy of Roman Abramovich at his £39 million home in St Barts.

[quote]Eugenie reportedly took 25 days off in the first ten weeks of one new job — a holiday allowance few would get away with. Eugenie said: 'My boss is lovely and he understands very much when I want to take an afternoon off or go away with family.'

From R146's article.

The current generation of Royals are all lazy, spoiled shits. The Queen must be quite disappointed in her grandchildren.

[quote]The current generation of Royals are all lazy, spoiled shits.

This describes the entire family.

"Hmmm, pardon me? I've been doing my duty for practically my whole life, thank you very much"

[QUOTE] Between November 2014 and December 2016 they are believed to have taken 25 foreign trips between them.

I went on more than 25 'foreign trips' between 2014 and 2016.

I live in the UK same as they do, it only takes an hour to be in a 'foreign' country.

Lazy writing/article

R151 - but you're NOT a royal juggling your "duties" and "working" at a job. Can't you see the difference?

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By not giving interviews, Liz has been able to create an aura of mystery about herself. We never know what she’s thinking. She’s no doubt as fucked up as the rest of her family.

She sure got burnt when she was forced to retire her royal yacht lol.

I like Beatrice. She's a cool girl.

R154 - I've never seen the Queen get so emotional as she did when they decommissioned The Brittania. The whole family teared up. I think it's because there were so many happy family memories on that yacht, away from the prying eyes of the press and public. I've seen photos and video footage of their times on The Brittania and they looked more relaxed than I've ever seen them. They really could let loose and be themselves.

Sorry, that Vogue photo of the two sisters is stunning. Eugenie needs to hire the makeup person immediately. She looks gorgeous. Beatrice also looks quite good. Love the clothes and shoes, dark, textural. It's a portrait out of time. If she hadn't retired from Vogue, I would say that this shoot was styled by Grace Coddington.

I think Eugenie usually looks quite good, but I don't care for the Vogue photo. Beatrice looks great though, nice pic.

“Frumpy” is the perfect word to describe these two.

I honestly don’t even know which one is which. They’re always seen together and always look equally bad.

Total butterfaces and chunky bodies with terrible style.

What’s up with Beatrice’s eyes? Does she have some sort of disorder or illness?

[quote] With their money they could have gotten the best education for a "real woman"

These girls are barely literate. The one was turned down by a University until someone pointed out that she happened to be the Queen's granddaughter. There was the world's quickest reversal on that admission

R106, that pic you posted could be for a reboot of Heavenly Creatures.

That one on the right at R106 has the serious crazy eyes.

I think the buggy-eyed one is actually the more attractive of the two girls. Euge seems bland and basic by comparison.

I still don't understand why celebs of any kind read about themselves. Why would people (ppl) like actual princesses give a rat's ass what the public thinks?

Because the public is paying for the rats' asses, and the two rats want to keep it that way so they don't have to go out and get real jobs.

R166 - No, the public isn't paying for them, they aren't paid by the Sovereign Grant. Their father is listed on his site as not receiving funding from the SG, but any travel he undertakes on behalf of the monarchy's work, is. It isn't likely Bea and Yuge are living off the fat of the land the way their parents once did as active senior royals, but indirectly, of course, the girls are the beneficiaries of decades of a special tax deal the monarchy got from Inland Revenue, which allowed them to get so rich. I'm sure their gran and perhaps even grudgingly, their Uncle Chuck, see that they want for nothing.

And now, of course, Yuge has a well-heeled hubby to look after her.

Beatrice will never be a beauty but she makes a lot of bad choices for someone dealing with... a complex face.

For some odd reason, she insists on circling her eyes with liner/mascara... emphasizing how they bulge. She wears her hair in ways that emphasize the odd shape of her mouth... she ought to try to draw the eye upward. She's a fan of bold, stark lipstick, emphasizing her terrible teeth and jaw.

In the photo below I think she looks as good as she's gonna get and she's doing the opposite of her usual. Eyes emphasize the top of the eye. The hat and to some extent the hair draw the look upward. The lips are natural, not slashed red. She looks OK.

Beatrice is a real butterface. And the other one is chunky.

r168 is absolutely right.

Beatrice always reminds me of one of those 1960s big eye paintings.

Bea was the first Royal to complete the London Marathon.

Her sister should have run the marathon to help her lose a few kilos.

Honey, they'd both have to run to Scotland and back- multiple times.

Why are people (ppl), not just DLrs, so obsessed with the weight of other people (ppl)?

It's misleading. Eugenie is slender enough but she has big boobs which need a MUCH better uplift bra. Plus she has terrible taste in clothes and chooses outfits that do not flatter.

r176 has a good point. She has her Grandmother's large breasts.

I've said before, they should have breast reductions. It not like others in the family haven't had work done.

R178 I need big time breast reduction myself as 46 yr old female and I would love it, but have you seen the scars? Holy shit. And there is a good chance you will have no nipple sensation again. And I wanted to go from DD to a B, but it can't be done: you can't just pick a size. I could only go to a C, which is still too much.

R179, a good surgeon can really minimize the scars. You have to shop around first.

[QUOTE] It's misleading. Eugenie is slender enough but she has big boobs which need a MUCH better uplift bra.

I’m beginning to think The Queen demands all the royal ladies use a certain style bra. They all have terrible foundation garments which make their breasts flatten, not an attractive look with the breast are large.

Leave us alone, we want to be just like normal working girls...

"Princess Eugenie's wedding: Huge bill for taxpayers to guard ninth in line to throne revealed"

[quote]It's misleading. Eugenie is slender enough

The problem probably isn't Yuge and her intended, but the royals who will be in attendance - that's where the security issue is. They aren't worried about someone wanting taking a shot at Yuge and Jack, but at Charles, William, and HM. That's why there's a security bill to the taxpayers.

The IRA picked Mountbatten because he was old and while a top level royal in terms of visibility, wasn't an active serving royal. The youngsters killed with him couldn't have been predicted to be with him and were what the IRA would call "collateral damage". But they figured Mountbatten himself was both a good target and an expendable one. They had to be careful not to cause more trouble for themselves than they wanted by aiming for the Queen or a young Charles, so Mountbatten fit the bill. And he was easier to get to.

My guess is that if the IRA were still operating, Philip or the Prince Andrew would be the natural target and they will both be there.

But the IRA is no longer the issue. If you removed HM, Charles, William, and Harry from the wedding, I doubt even the current crop of Islamists operating in Britain would consider it worth a damp squib.

[quote]The problem probably isn't Yuge and her intended, but the royals who will be in attendance - that's where the security issue is.

Nope.... St. George's Chapel and Royal Lodge are both within the secured grounds of Windsor Castle... the expense driver is the stupid carriage ride and the costs to secure it in advance of the wedding and keep it that way.

I predict Uncle Charles will force a climb down, to the delight of the tabloids and a few days of relief for Meagain, Duchess of Success.

Those poor horses!

I'll see you on that Uncle Charles forces a climbdown prediction and raise you £50. He doesn't care what the taxpayer lay out and he won't dare not give Yuge and her rich English BF what he gave Harry and the American climber.

Nothing is secure any longer. Windsor is a big place. Unless they shut the entire town down for two weeks before the wedding, they can't guarantee anything. I'll grant you the newlyweds would be the most likely target in their open carriage, but since all the other cars carrying the other royals will also be travelling the same route back to the Castle, they're only slightly less vulnerable than Yuge and Jack.

What's really intriguing, however, is how many people will care about looking at Yuge and JB in their carriage.

What if it's more people than came out for Harry and Meghan??

"What if it's more people than came out for Harry and Meghan??"

Only to throw things...

I like Bea and Euge. And I love poking fun at their fashion choices. As individuals they both strike me as having been infantilised most of their lives. From the way they carry themselves to the clothes they wear and to the company they keep (holding hands with Mummy on public outings). Seems like they've never really matured mentally.

R189 - I think you've raised a key word with "infantilised" for the royals in general. Even Charles, Harry, and William, far higher up the food chain than the York slugs, exhibit the trait.

Charles and William seem only slightly less so because their places in the succession force them to submit to more self-control.

But you've nailed something about the whole idiotic structure: their positions as non-private citizens with public obligations that ordinary rich people aren't subject to, yet still extraordinarily sheltered from the normal exigencies of life, has produced astonishingly child-adult personas.

They reek of a very unusual privilege that goes beyond wealth, they clutch their privilege, but they also want the respect accorded people who have made their way in life as these people never had to.

It's an impossible combination. The York girls are lucky to get away with it as they have. Harry was a fool not to leave when he could have and move to America with his nauseatingly self-promoting social climbing grifter, and what's more, he would have been doing the BRF and the British public a favour by doing so. The public already had enough child-adult royals hanging about.

[quote] Harry was a fool not to leave when he could have and move to America with his nauseatingly self-promoting social climbing grifter, and what's more, he would have been doing the BRF and the British public a favour by doing so. The public already had enough child-adult royals hanging about.

Harry never had that option. He is next generation senior member of the Royal Family. If they piss off as they like to America or wherever, that reinforces the view they're good for nothing grifters rich at everybody else's expense. And whatever they may or may not be individually, there is a thousand years of institution to think about. So long as they're going about in country doing what they do, they're holding up the side. Taking up residence on Fifth Avenue or Malibu was never something Harry had a chance at.

How badly has Harry's image in particular been damaged by the Markle family disaster, if at all?

R191 - according to an interview with Harry, he seriously considered it, then decided to stay in because "People still need the magic" (and he still needed the perks, the expensive cars, the luxe vacays, the country home from Gran, the stream of attractive women writing HRH in front of their names on table napkins, etc.). If he considered it, it would have been possible.

Of course, it would have increased the burden on William and Kate. Likely it's not so much that it was impossible, but that Harry wasn't being honest even with himself, let alone the interviewer, about his willingness to give up the perks.

The odd thing is, Harry in my opinion would be much happier out of it.