Masculine gays

((ahem))

[quote] without inherently seeing one.

Huh?

There are tons of them but they hide in plain sight because when you see them in a public place most people just assume they are straight.

Not bragging but people used to assume I was straight all the fucking time, especially woman. One bitch was cutting my hair one time and during small talk I mentioned I was in a relationship. She asked why I wasn't married and she got all pissy with my answer until she realized my wife was he not she. This was long before it was legal. Like how dare you not marry your long term girlfriend.

And growing up, heard straight guys and woman say anti gay shit right in front of me. They assumed I was straight so I would hear F.A.G. jokes. That showed me how they really felt. And to be honest, it was depressing to know this is what people really think when they assume no gays are within ear range.

I absolutely resent your post, OP.

gay men can be masculine without inherently seeing one.-- that's because when you reach such testosterone heights you DO literally become invisible

You and your JAQ thread can eat shit, troll OP. We all know what you're trying to do here.

[quote]Where are the masculine gay men?

They steer clear of flamboyant queens like your self OP. So of course there are never around wherever you are. They don't like people like you..

where do you “keep hearing people say ‘gay men can never be masculine,’” Donald Trump?

Most men -- gay and straight -- are somewhere in the middle.

I've read this "OP" before; some of it even sounds verbatim.

Guess he/she needs some more attention?

I’m in my bedroom, OP.

The masculine gay men are in bed.

One of the gayest-seeming men I've ever met is, in fact, a vagina preferrer. He hid it from me for months, for some reason. When we first met, in a regular professional situation over the course of months, not a hookup, he allowed me to infer that neither of the two most important people in his life was his girlfriend, but rather, two other people. Later, I discovered he's been with this woman for a couple of years.

Maybe it's important for him to maintain a straight identity. I don't know him well enough to know that. And I'm no longer asking questions of someone who went to even this small effort to create an effect that doesn't quite match up with the truth.

You already know why

This is the companion threat to "I'm still hearing people say "I know some good people who are Trump supporters" Maybe we can have a thread titled 'I know some good masculine gay people who are Trump supporters.'

Maybe try meeting gay people in real life instead of judging celebrities, OP.

Exactly, R16.

Do these people like OP never step out into the real world and mingle?

[quote]Where are the masculine gay men? I have no problem with men being feminine (heck I’m not the most masculine guy myself) but I keep hearing people say “gay men can be masculine” bla bla but never have seen one

They clearly have no interest in you, OP - or they'd make themselves known to you.

Masculine gay men are everywhere. You think you don’t see them because they’re not attention whores.

Gays who claim not to know masculine gay guys are usually attention whore divas trapped in gay ghettoes 100% of the time.

Truly masculine guys don’t crave that attention.

there were quite a few in my gay bowling league...........while bowling they would be monitoring 2 or 3 sporting events either on tv screens or i phones, testosterone pretty much seeping out their pores. I would say many gay amateur sports teams thruout the country are teaming with extremely straight acting gay men.

Real talk: Masculine Gay guys tend to be closeted, or if open, mainstreamed with straight guys. Of the gay guys that I have met ego were unclockable (not detectable), the large majority tended to live mainstream lives with mainly or nearly entirely close non-gay male friends. Almost none lived in gay areas or gay ghettoes. They also seem to think of gay identify as a minor part of their identity, if they even identify with the term gay at all.

Gay culture is not masculine, so masculine gay guys are not into gay culture, often unaware of it

Bump

That’s why a lot of masc gay guys never come out

I think it's very difficult for VERY "str8" gay guys.

I feel somewhere in the middle myself. I've never been accepted by very gay types. I just don't fit in with them. But I've always had a handful of gay friends but never fitted in at the gay bars or places like Fire Island.

I think the DL perception that feminine gays are lonely and have no sex is complete bullshit. The very gay types I know have the best time being gay. Have plenty of sex and many friends. Those gurls love it.

OXYMORON!!

The only time I encounter them is when they hit on me. You probably think they're all straight, like stupid me did.

[quote]Real talk: Masculine Gay guys tend to be closeted, or if open, mainstreamed with straight guys. Of the gay guys that I have met ego were unclockable (not detectable), the large majority tended to live mainstream lives with mainly or nearly entirely close non-gay male friends.

yup.

Perry Mason/Ironside seemed masculine to me, OP.

Gay culture exalts feminity, so masculine gay men aren’t gonna identify it. Masculinity is often defined as separate and apart from feminity, so the gay community often repels masculine men

It's true. And it attracts masculine straight and bi drug addicts because that's who fills the gap.

Also, flaming straight men are like 99% of all flaming guys. You will learn this after you work in a major city centre for more than a week.

Hmmm, it depends on how you define flaming. Among extremely flaming flamboyant men, I think more like 12% are totally straight

Oh it's way more than that, trust me. They fool me every time.

Financial areas have the gayest straight men on record. These are men who have someone brush their teeth while they get a mani-pedi at lunch before they go home to their wife. And they're straight. Real life isn't hollywood.

[quote]I have no problem with most gay men being feminine

Sure, Jan.

This topic may be slightly confusing because 90's feminine is 2010's masculine.

R35, getting a pedi is not particularly feminine in 2018. It’s elitist. When I think of flamin or flamboyant, I mainly mean mannerisms, voice, Word usage/lannguage, cultural interests, and clothing style.

I used to see tons of straight looking and sounding gay guys at my watering hole THE WORKS on the upper west side in the mid to late 1990's. The crowds there were really good looking preppie and yuppie types.

That’s 20 years ago dude

Dude I wasn’t even born yet.

Yeah keep it current

[quote]That’s 20 years ago dude

No, it just never was. OP is not attractive to the masc guys or something.

[quote]Not bragging but people used to assume I was straight all the fucking time, especially woman

Ok, and I swear I don't mean this bitchy, but since when did the term "woman" start to replace "women". As in "people used to assume I was straight all the fucking time, especially woman"

I keep hearing it more and more, especially from Canadians and on college campuses. Is it some third wave feminist jargon like "womyn" or gender studies bullshit? It's fucking obnoxious and awkward sounding.

I like woman. And man.

My type

[quote]but the only time we see masculine gay men is in fictition like Love, Simon or something.

And they cast someone heterosexual in the title role to achieve that end. Not progress.

You're certainly not going to find them in entertainment.

Cam

Beast

Blonde Adonis

Maybe this a generational thing, but I am finding the more masc a guy looks, the more "purses" fall out their mouth" to borrow a DL phrase that's pretty funny. I'll watch these "daddy" porn videos and the masc top sounds like a total queen. In 2020/2021, I find that a lot of ultra masc guys or previously married to women guys are total bottoms! There are actually a lot of more femme tops out there than you would think. I think Gen Z's whole fluidity thing is becoming more apparent in real life and in porn. Gen Z is brining the 80's dangling earrings back and this the straight guys!

ATL

Brosexuals

My type

Nice

Top

There are also gay male who are neither feminine or masculine. Ted Schmidt from Queer As Folk was a nerdy guy. He wasn't masc or fem.

Modern Tech nerds and geeks usually are masculine

Ted Schmidt from QAF was totally considered a "masc top". He wasn't a bro, but he was a passably straight,majority top who used to make fun of how femme Emmet was. They all did, even Emmet.

I did not consider Ted Schmidt masculine. Just because a person is not effeminate that does not make them masculine.

I would say Mikey was more asexual or non-masc than Ted, but it's all in the eye of the beholder. I never gave it much thought other I think Gayle is beautiful and go look so hot when they didn't lez him up.

Ted Schmidt isn’t as effeminate as most of the other QAF male characters, but most would not consider him masculine. His mannerisms, interests, culture, and jargon aren’t what most consider to be masculine

Boricuas

Hey now - I happen to be gay and am pretty straight guy masculine . I only wear flannel (and only ow. 5 shirts and 2 pairs of jeans), for fun I rebuild old cars, I love camping and fishing, and most of my friends are straight guys (I’m a 90s grunge kid… so that covers music). I can’t shave and I grew my hair out in 1993 and just like it long. It’s not that I am against most of the stereotypes for being a gay man- it’s just not me. And yes, I’ve dated feminine guys, I am a top (am 6’10- bottoming is uncomfortable), but that’s just who I am.

I dress like a cowboy most days, so yeah, I usually pass. But, if I have a drink or smoke some pot, I revert to my natural nelly nature. None of this means I won’t put my boot heel in yer fucking face.

You Dress like a cowboy everyday?

Damn near. I just mean boots, a vest, I tuck my shirt in, and wear a hat. If you ain’t cowboy, you ain’t shit.

It's sort of fascinating to see how fucked up many DLers are that they assume that straight guys are all beer swilling, sports obsessed lugs who wear dingy sports-logo t-shirts and are unable to converse about anything other than tits and football.

Not sure if that's from a lifetime of trying to erase anything that might be construed as vaguely gay from their habits or no knowing any actual hetereosexual men or living in a small blue collar town or a combination of all three.

One of the positives about QAF was that it showed that gay men come in a range of levels of masculinity and that many of us are not instantly clockable as gay the way say, Will and Jack were.

There are plenty of guys, gay and straight, like Ted Schmidt, who are sort of nerdy, are not into sports or fashion and thus, it seems, confuse many DLers.

Many of the modern lgbt community's arguments fall apart when scrutinized. e.g. if genital preference is bigotry, and disliking femme guys is also bigotry, then it logically follows that gay men not wanting to have sex with cis women is in fact a preference that can be unlearned

Double

When masculine bros come out

Nice

Make obsession

When I was about 20 I worked at a store with some teenagers, including a very cute guy named Conor. He used to whisper to me, "I think he's a member of the faggotry" whenever some gay-acting customer came in. I used to think that was really funny, him not knowing I was gay.

I always loved Dana Carvey on SNL as the "effeminate heterosexual" - those were great skits.

Wish more gay dudes were like this

Hard knock life

Gay guys swoon for dudes like this

It is rough

Undercover

Where are you looking, OP?

They exist just like feminine gay women

They do exist, OP. You just rarely see them because they're very rare. Let's be honest.

Gay porn is overflowing with masculine gay men.

So is lesbian porn ☝🏼

I meant feminine women lol

I used to see lots of Preppie guys and Yuppie guys at the Works on the Upper West Side of Manhattan ca. 1995 that would easily pass for straight. They were not muscular but they were good looking well dressed well educated and on the masculine side.