Hand Sanitizer etiquette

Ablutions at the table are always poor manners.

If you need to wash-up before a meal, do so in the restroom, not at the table.

As for reaching into a bread basket, well, that's a whole separate issue. It's like people who use a fork and knife to eat a hamburger at a barbecue. You have to accept some things for what they are - and a bread basket sitting on a table is what it is.

It always cracks me up when prissy germophobes make a big show of being all clean and sanitary and then they go and suck off random people.

Wash your hands. All you’re doing is spreading around some harmful bacteria while killing good bacteria on your skin.

you don't really sit at a restaurant table rubbing your hands with sanitizer, do you? Upgrade your restaurant choice to one WITH A RESTROOM. Sheesh!

Just don't get any of your hand sanitizer on my breadsticks. Purell sucks as a condiment.

You’re prissy and making a display of yourself. Next question, please.

I knew that Niles Crane was gay!!

as annoying as the fraus who wipe down the shopping cart for 20 minutes at the supermarket with sanitary wipes. unless you have compromised immune system.... KNOCK IT OFF!

Just discreetly use one of those hand sanitizing wipes that come individually wrapped in a foil package. You can do it under the table when people are babbling and no one will even notice.

R9, people will think OP is masturbating. Take the hand cleaning to the restroom.

Is OP's name Dr. Sheldon Cooper by any chance?

[quote] If you need to wash-up before a meal, do so in the restroom, not at the table.

[quote] Take the hand cleaning to the restroom.

The whole point is to disinfect hands immediately before reaching for finger-food (e.g. bread).

If you go to a public restroom in a restaurant - you can come back with more bacteria on your fingers than before (from opening the restroom door to leave, pulling out the dining chair to sit down, etc).

Just use sanitising foam / gel / tissues to disinfect fingers at the table. It takes like 3 seconds.

Disinfection isn't always necessary. But in some cases using dirty fingers can cause painful mouth ulcers, esp. if you have a small wound(s) in your mouth (from accidental biting, over-brushing, etc.)

R12 I agree. But like I said, get the foil packets and use those. Using gel is too messy.

dafuq?

R12, you use a paper towel to open the door once you wash your hands in the restroom.

I would not eat out with you a second time, Prissette. Those things stink.

Hand sanitizer is fine for your hands. But how do you sanitize your mouth before you put the food in? There's a lot of germs in your mouth. What's your solution?

R15, oh no, modern life is far from simple.

Most modern restaurants now have 'eco-friendly' electric hand-dryers. NO PAPER TOWELS. We're apparently all trying to save the Brazilian rainforest from deforestation or smthg.

So unless one wants to open the restroom area's (often handle) door with one's ass or elbow (which is not very convenient), people will still need to use their hands to get out.

Wow some of you are old. There's nothing wrong with using hand sanitizer anywhere. That's why it is everywhere. My mother uses it at a restaurant, at church and any number of other places where you arrive from doing other things. Who needs a public restroom to clean their hands? Do any of you live in actual cities? Hand sanitizer is on every subway platform, the entrance to all hospitals, shopping malls and most private offices. Nothing wrong with bringing your own. Bunch of very old men on this site. I guess you think a woman shouldn't touch up her lipstick at the table either?

R20, no, makeup shouldn’t be applied at the table either. It’s for eating and talking.

No she shouldn't. Neither should you pull out your hygiene goos. Go to the bathroom! I'm a woman and I'm not old.

[quote]Do any of you live in actual cities? Hand sanitizer is on every subway platform, the entrance to all hospitals, shopping malls and most private offices.

And it disgusts me. I stopped seeing a therapist in a hospital because of the smell of slathering stations every six feet. E-fucking-nough, already.

[quote]I guess you think a woman shouldn't touch up her lipstick at the table either?

Of course not, Trashelle.

How do some of you people survive in the real world? Wash your hands before you eat. Eat. It's not that hard. If you want to use hand sanitizer, fine, but it seems a bit obsessive compulsive to me unless there is some significant illness going around or you're immune-compromised. In that case, stay home maybe?

Oh and use a fork or spoon if you're paranoid about germs on your hands.

If you must "sanitize" your hands before you eat, stay home.

R18, the germs in your mouth are not the problem. We don't have naturally occuring E.Coli outbreaks in the mouth. It's the fecal matter bacteria outside that might cause issues.

But what about the fecal bacteria in your mouth?

People who are prone to mouth ulcers, should definitely use hand gels:

It's the price you have to pay for rimming, R29.

Ew, r30.

There are worse chemicals in that sanitizer that you don't want ingesting versus the germs on your hands. Wash up in the restroom if you feel you must, but keep your chemical-laden hands out of the breadbasket.

Bread? That's carbs!

Those hand wipes have an alcohol smell that is so pungent, I can't taste the food after someone uses one. Have the common courtesy to use that stuff in the bathroom or the lobby, or anywhere others aren't eating.

If your taste of smell interferes so severely with your sense of taste, R35, you have bigger issues to worry about.

*sense of smell

If there is a finger bowl at the table one may acceptably use that; otherwise using hand sanitizer is vulgar and boorish. Who would even think of such a thing?

Know that by the time that breadbasket reaches your table, it's been sneezed on, wiped all kinds of germs on, and if you are the type of asshole customer constantly reaching for your precious hand sanitizer, someone in the kitchen wiped a loaf between their sweaty ass cheeks (I know this from personal experience working in a hot dog establishment).

Best to stay away from the bread basket, your fat ass will thank you later.

Can't you just wait for the server to come by with the hot hand towels?

The finger water bowl just de-greases your hands from food oils, R38. It doesn't have much sanitary effect.

Hand sanitizer doesn’t actually remove dirt from your hands, it just moves it around in alcohol

Just wash your hands in the restroom, there’ll be a lot less dirt and germs even if you do touch the door or the chair

What's the point of washing up in the restaurant restroom?

You'll likely have a similar amount of microbes on your hands via touching handles in the public toilet upon exit. Might as well stay put and not do anything then.

There are also germs on that bottle of hand sanitizer. You’re welcome.

I wipes my dik and cohones on youze hamburger

Just don't touch the door handles. I always use a paper towel, or failing that, the edge of my shirt.

R42, dirt is not the problem, it's the E.Coli, Salmonella, etc.

Stay safe out there!

Certainly use a dental damn for any social kissing!

The type of sanitizer you buy at the store is not gonna kill any of the nasty bugs, most of which will not even harm a healthy person. Overuse of this stuff is what is going to create the superbug that kills us all.

You have no etiquette, OP.

OP eats at Olive Garden

OPalso asks for the menoo at Burger King.

Op you MUST see Bunuel's Descreet Charm! The haute bourgeoisie have shit parties, all the social visit is shitting on toilets around a big table. People politely excuse themselves to go to the little private dining room to have a bite to eat.

*Discreet

Nobody wants to eat with a prisspot.

Nobody sharing a bread basket wants your dirt OR microbes on their food

For all you restroom washers:

A 2013 study found that only 5% of people wash their hands correctly enough to have full sanitary effect:

[quote] USA Today: "According to a study led by Borchgrevink, only 5% of people washed their hands enough to kill infection and illness causing germs after using the bathroom ...

[quote] [bold]According to the CDC, people need to vigorously wash their hands for about 15 to 20 seconds to kill any type of dangerous bacteria. Most people wash their hands for only about 6 seconds. Without executing the correct hand sanitizing techniques, grime, dirt and bacteria that would typically be sent down the drain stays on the hands and increases the host's likelihood of becoming seriously ill.[/bold]

If you’re that uptight about “germs” and “sanitary” food, simply do not partake of the shared food items.

P.S. Don’t think about the cleanliness of the server’s hands or the sanitary conditions in the kitchen . . .

Then don’t eat the bread. You could do without the carbs anyway.

What about Lobster, R60?

“Sanitary” is an illusion. You prisspots would plotz if you knew. It’s reasonable to wash your hands before you eat, of course, but LOL that people think their bread is sterile until someone reaches into the bread basket and touches only the one piece they’re going to eat

What a beautiful building!

When I eat at a buffet where I have to handle the serving utensils, I put the plate of food on the table and then go to the restroom to wash my hands. If that may be inconvenient, another thing I do is use my left hand to dish up the food and then use my right hand with the eating utensils and don't cross-contaminate between the two hands.

once around the bacterial garden!

Prisspots are even worse than dog rescue people.

R62, it's not about achieving 100% sterility, it's about avoiding unnecessary risk / chance of problems (in situations where it's easily avoidable).

By the logic of some people here, since everything is dirty anyway, we might as well eat with our feet and lick our shoes clean every night.

Next time you get ill after a restaurant - remember that it might not be the food you ate or the restaurant's fault, but your own blasé hygiene that caused it. Of course most "I don't obsess about hygiene" people will then start yelling defensively, "No, it can't be my fault! It's never my fault! I half-washed my hands for 3 seconds!", and shove all blame on the restaurant.

W&W for R66!!

Actually, I was thinking more along the line of the “Petri Dish Harvest”

Yes you are being prissy but I don’t think you’re making a scene. Germaphobes are pretty common, we all know one.

I know OP - when I think of all the needless deaths that happen each year from people not sanitizing their hands before reaching for bread. The humanity!

NO one has died from this and you're being a prissy germaphobe wafting that nasty Purelle smell through the air while people are eating. I'd think long and hard about eating with you again.

And remember - you're not saving lives with this behavior.

[quote]Next time you get ill after a restaurant

This has never happened to me. If it does to you, then it’s likely psychosomatic

OP, you better not rim. If you put your tongue on an asshole but you are freaking out about breadsticks, I will slap you.

It's not primarily about food borne illness, but colds and flus and clean hands. Stop with your ancient proper bullshit. There is nothing wrong with hand sanitizer. Most of us know what goes on in restaurant kitchens, but then again most of you exaggerate your comfort with that. Old white fags spend half the day on their knees at bus station glory holes, but find hand sanitizer at a restaurant tacky? Talk about old horrents. Belly full of jizz and insisting on using the restroom to wash one's hands? That's just your toothless cocksucking mouths talking. You love public bathrooms. Most of us like to see our friends clean their damn hands before we break and skip bread.

[quote]It's not primarily about food borne illness, but colds and flus and clean hands.

Except most hand sanitizers don't kill cold and flu germs. Some of you have been brainwashed by your mommies, I think. Do some research.

R74 is wrong and has been triggered because we don't agree with him. Kindly go fuck yourself if you can - think of all the germs involved!!! You're irrational and you know it.

It's not about not having any hygiene - it's about thinking that there is something terribly horrible with how everyone else is NOT doing what you're doing. No lives are being saved - including your own.

Stupid.

I hate the disgusting shit. Warm water and soap are a better bet. Using those “sanitizers” makes people sloppy and unmindful

Who is "we" R76? The ancient white fags of Datalounge? You speak for no one but yourself, but that's a familiar and lame tactic here. Man you make ME laugh. Your breed is dying off fast, erryday. I thank all the good spirits. Peace. There isn't a right and wrong way about everything. Old gays are still mentally ill. They're going to reinstate you in the DSM VI. Arrested sexual development, compulsive and dangerous sexual behaviors along with a pathological need to categorize and judge everything as right or wrong, acceptable or not, surfacely good or bad is the psychological mark of old white gay men beasts. Mentally ill and hypocritical. No one under our umbrella wants you guys around. Wash your hands wherever you want. Just cover your holes.

Noticed you skipped the post about the fact that those hand sanitizers do not protect you from cold/flu viruses, R78

i would think only necessary if you were fingering or rimming an ass immediately prior to dining

Cruise ships have Purell stations every ten feet and people still get sick aboard ship in huge numbers.

Years ago my husband & I would go to a gay synagogue in SF for Shabbat services. Though I am far from being a clean freak, I was somewhat turned off by the fact that a huge challah bread would be passed around. You tore off a piece and passed it on to the next person. Usually 50 or so people would end up handling the loaf.

My husband ate challah bread at a synagogue, and he died.

"Chronic food poisoning" implies she was being poisoned over a long period of time. Typically food poisoning is acute.

Things have advanced far beyond Purell. Most of you don't know anything about this subject. I'm bored now.

Couldn't they bake the sanitizer into the bread?

Or at least use it to prepare a glaze...

Just remember, OP, who the best, highest IQ, most stable genius of a germaphobe is.

FF for R78. And when you do come back, calm the fuck down and watch your mouth.

i ate communal bread and i died

I ain't going nowhere gramps @ R89. Don't talk to me no way about nothing you old fruit bat. I'm sick of ancient dudes like you trying to get what I have and then telling me how to behave. This little spot, DL. It's over. We've taken over gramps. Don't fuck with a man anymore. Old girls like you best stay in your lane. Lights out. Wash your mouth before you come back from the urinal please.

R78 Listen you little dickhead,your stupid ass is going to be an "old fruit bat" far sooner than you think,and like many of us,you're going to regret being such a nasty bitch in your youth. Not to mention the screaming ignorance that oozes from your little diatribes guarantees that you will have exactly the life that you deserve. My advice to you is hook a rich "old fruit bat" quick before you look like the bottom of a cast iron skillet,otherwise get ready to have a shitty,sad,empty life.Unlike so many,I wont block you,because posts like yours make me grateful that Ive grown as a person and Im not the insufferable cunt I was.

This thread alone explains a lot why there are so many prissy queens at the Datalounge.

As a former food service employee I'd pose that if you're worried about some lame breadsticks while eating out, I have bad news for you regarding what goes on in the kitchen prior to the food arriving at your table....

I like the point someone made earlier about all the germs that are on the bottle of sanitizer itself. Unless people are sanitizing the sanitizer, aren't you just "dirtying" your hands again when you close the bottle?

That shit does stink.

STAY HOME, Op. Duh.

R95 just blew my mind.

There are germs everywhere, and yet humans have survived for thousands of years.

We do have immune systems, you know. Eating a breadstick from a shared basket doesn’t mean instant death.

I would enjoy 50 people manhandling my challah.

R19, a recent study showed that those air dryers spew out tons of shit bacteria.

OP, your friend won't call you prissy when you clean his hands by spitting on them.

Best you not visit the restroom, OP. You'll have a heart attack!

The top staring at the camera is Atanas, the sous chef from Bulgaria. Very talented with his tools but not properly schooled in cleanliness, being a Christian.

[quote]Bunch of very old men on this site. I guess you think a woman shouldn't touch up her lipstick at the table either?

No one under the age of 50 says "touch up her lipstick."

What is more disgusting is that that hand sanitizer/gel STAYS ON YOUR HANDS (until you wash it off). I don't want that shit on my bread.

Excuse yourself like a proper person and wash your fucking claws in the restroom.

[quote] R8: as annoying as the fraus who wipe down the shopping cart for 20 minutes at the supermarket with sanitary wipes. unless you have compromised immune system.... KNOCK IT OFF!

No, shopping carts are gross. I don’t fuss with them, though.

What I do hate, though, is the supermarket deli-ordering touch-screen, which is never cleaned. Since it’s a glass screen, you can see all the filthy fingerprints, including blood and boogers.. And you are buying food, after all. I have occasionally asked them to clean it, but that is a lost cause.

R24 Trashelle for the win.

I don't think anyone has recommended this option.

Eat at a restaurant that has a glass blowing studio next door. You can go over and get a still glowing bowl from the studio and take it into the restaurant. Carefully sear your fingers, palms, lips, tongue, and as much of the inside of your mouth as possible. By the time you're finished, you will have not only killed all of the germs and sanitized hands and mouth, but you will also have a bowl ready to be used for soup, salad, or perhaps a ranch dip to place in a fountain.

Problem solved.

[quote]Wow some of you are old. There's nothing wrong with using hand sanitizer anywhere. That's why it is everywhere.

Hand Sanitize has been proven not to work nitwit. That is why they are NOT putting it into hospitals or other places anymore. It actually contrubute to the spread of disease through resistance. Plus they are not good for your skin.

Who's old and out of touch? Yes, you.

OP while you are busy slathering on hand sanitize, this is whats going on in the kitchen.

[quote]That is why they are NOT putting it into hospitals or other places anymore.

It can be found everywhere in every hospital.

Weird -- when dine out and know I'll be touching food (e.g., fries, bread) with my fingers, I always use hand sanitizer (at the table) before eating and, almost every time I take out the bottle, whomever I'm dining with asks to have some, as well.

It's never been an issue, and almost everyone I know carries a small bottle with them. I had no idea so many people are aghast at the idea.

How do you manage in a hotel?

[quote]It's never been an issue, and almost everyone I know carries a small bottle with them. I had no idea so many people are aghast at the idea.

Frau behavior with Frau friends seems perfectly normal to Frauen.

OP what is the etiquette when presented with large ripe Caribbean cock?

[quote]It can be found everywhere in every hospital.

Because the laws have not caught up yet. But it will very soon. So say goodby to fake sanitize in the hospital. Scrubbing with soap and water is still the best way to prevent the spread of disease. Sanitize just spreads it around. Its not my opinion, its a fact.

If you are going to have open heart surgery who do you want operating on you, the guy that scrubbed up really well with soap and water or OP with his trusty hand sanitize in his purse?

Oh, after fisting a big sloppy bottom who forgot to clean out, I always pull out my hand sanitize. I am not worried about the brown bits of fecal matter still sticking to my arm hairs because I am sure its just as clean as soap and water.

I bet you do R116. So many gays are developmentally arrested. Play in shit you disgusting pig.

[quote]So many gays are developmentally arrested

Due to extended use of hand sanitize.

Wash your hands with soap and water like a normal person. Eat bread with and touch my water glass with chemical-laden hands?! Ugh. Lazy.

Nobody thinks that the germs are already on the bread when it leaves the bakery ? The baker handles that bread too ! Haha 😂

OP, What about your utensils? Do you hose them down too?

Moderate exposure to bacteria is a good thing. It builds up your immune system. I also think R120 is right - there’s probably fecal matter on that bread from the kitchen handling.

It's very hot in the bakery. Jon works shirtless. Plus he's a butt scratcher.

I should add that I recently ate at an Ethiopan restaurant where you eat from a communal tray and dipping bowl with your hands. It was an emotionally bonding experience to eat with friends in that way. When I was in Morocco last year everything was shared at a table and eaten by hand as well. The Moroccan people I encountered were beautiful and very healthy looking - glowing skin and hair from all of the seafood and olive oil.

[quote]If you are going to have open heart surgery who do you want operating on you, the guy that scrubbed up really well with soap and water or OP with his trusty hand sanitize in his purse?

You know nothing about medical care if you think hand sanitizer is being used by surgeons as part of a surgical scrub. It’s not permitted in operating rooms anyway because it is flammable.

That doesn’t mean it isn’t present everywhere else in hospitals and regularly used by doctors and nurses, in addition to regular hand washing with soap and water.

Have you ever heard about soap and water OP?

I love this theead. Thank you, guys.

Also, R115... did you actually read that article you linked to??

[quote]"We're not asking for any of these products to come off the market at this time, we're just asking for additional data," Theresa Michele, a director in the agency's drug center, said in an interview with The Associated Press. "And we're likewise not suggesting that people stop using these products."

[quote]the agency said in a statement that its actions "should not be taken to mean the FDA believes that these products are ineffective or unsafe."

Op, Why don't you take your ass to the bathroom and wash your hands. I think taking the sanitizer out at the table is uncouth, You don't know whether your dinner companions cleaned their hands already discretely.

I suppose the implication of pulling out the sanitizer at the table is that the other guests’ hands are unclean. From this perspective, I can see how it could come across as potentially rude.

OP also flosses and douches at the table.

Op, rims ass and he i concerned about the bread basket.

I wish people would stop with the ridiculous comparisons. Just because you have sex or rim someone doesn't mean concerns about cleanliness are not justified. Reductio ad absurdum, people.

That said:

Why do these people who use hand sanitizer care what the rest of us do? Do what you want.

Why does the sanitizer crowd care what the rest of us think of this behavior? Use it. Don't use it.

Why do you care whether we think it's poor manners or trashy to do it at a dining table? Some people care. Some won't. You can argue or negotiate as much as you want, but you're probably not going to change the minds of folks who think it's declasse. But, why do you care what we think about it?

All these other points about it's relative effectiveness or other not-so-sanitary practices are moderately irrelevant. It does not make it more or less acceptable, nor more or less trashy. Use it at the table, be proud, and don't be embarrassed when other people join you or laugh at you for it.

OP, do you sanitize your trick’s cock before you shove it down your throat??

Uh oh, OP. Look what you’ve done now.

R125, reading comprehension is not your strong point, huh.

This is what happens when you don't listen to OP!

OP you are one of those people who when they shit in a public toilet don't flush the toilet because you don't want to touch the handle, aren't you?

OP also leaves the water running after washing his hands because he’s too scared to touch the faucet.

That sign in the bathroom saying "Employees Must Wash Their Hands" tells you everything you need to know.

Does anyone remember this outbreak of Hepatitis A that occurred in 2003 near Pittsburgh, PA? It was traced to a specific Chi-Chi’s restaurant, a Mexican chain.

Over 650 people were infected. Several died, and many needed liver transplants.

The source was ultimately traced to contaminated green onions which were grown and imported from Mexico.

Hepatitis A is transmitted through fecal matter. So, it is likely that the farmers handling the onions had fecal matter on their hands, or the plants were contaminated with sewage water, or some combination thereof. Questionable handling practices at the restaurant were also implicated.

So just consider that the next time you dine out.

"...bakery..."

R123, where can I sample his loaf?

I do the same thing OP, whether I'm alone or dining with other. In fact, I offer it to anyone dining with me if I'm with others and usually everyone accepts the offer and cleans their hands too. I guess no one wants to be the filthy person at the table. I then leave the little bottle on the table in case anyone wants to use more, and some do, like if their fingers are greasy after dinner or if they get butter on their fingers from buttering a roll. I also give the utensils a little wash with the Purell before I use them as I have seen bus people drop utensils on the floor, give a quick look around and put them on the table anyway, and this is done in fine dining and chain restaurants.

I don't mind people taking bread from the basket, that is what it's there for, everyone, but the ones who squeeze every roll in the basket before making their choice disgust me. You eat the one you touch, PERIOD!

I also am more than happy to allow someone to taste my food, but not with the fork or spoon that has been in their mouth. Ask the server for a clean fork. I've never seen a server refuse the request. Or if you are so gross that you want to eat from my mouth allow me to put some of my food on your plate with my fork.

I truly wonder where some of these people were raised. When I was young I visited kids from really poor, threadbare homes but they had decent table manners. So there is no excuse for bad ones.

You're disgusting, r143, with your chemicalization of your food. Puke. Vomit. Repulsive.

Guaranteed R143 likes to rim dirty holes.

Once in the past, I threw caution to the wind, it was P-Town and I was feeling free and reckless, so I sat at a picnic table at a seafood shack with some friends, and I didn't wash my hands, NONE of us did, and we shared a large basket of onion rings, everyones fingers touching them, who knows were they'd been (well I suspected!), nor even use sanitizer, and later that afternoon I shared an appletini FROM THE VERY SAME glass with a fellow, and then, bacterial cherry on the room temperature buttercream cake, I touched a hot man's penis to put it in a condom so I could suck it, so my fingers had touched the picnic table, the fried foods, several car doors, a penis, and then my inside my MOUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Ask the server for a clean fork. I've never seen a server refuse the request." R143

I don't know why I find this so funny. As if a server would ever say, "No, I'm not bringing you another fork".

[quote]I don't mind people taking bread from the basket, that is what it's there for, everyone, but the ones who squeeze every roll in the basket before making their choice disgust me.

Maybe you should try eating at a proper restaurant where the waiter or bus boy will place a slice of bread on you plate with clean tongs. Stop complaining about your haut dining skills at Applebees.

OP is definitely an old hang. Never have I been out with a gay man in a group whereby he whips out hand sanitizer and passes it around like candy. Only old ladies do this kind of shit, usually fallowed by a purse full of Kleenex.

[quote] I offer it to anyone dining with me if I'm with others and usually everyone accepts the offer and cleans their hands too. I guess no one wants to be the filthy person at the table.

People with class wash their hands BEFORE they sit down at the table. By your logic, I should whip out some dental floss after the main meal and pass it around because no one wants a dirty mouth before dessert.

How many of you Purehell 'philes are men?

OP, is this the brand you recommend?

[quote]How many of you Purehell 'philes are men?

Only Frauen do this kind of thing. So all woman. Gay men do not go out to dinner with friends and pass around a stupid bottle of hand sanatizer. Its assumed you bathed before dinner.

Thats because Frauen are mostly dirty to begin with. Just look at how many of them don't wash their hair for a week at a time, or bath every day and opt for a French bath.

I literally have not a clue as to the bathing habits of frauen, r153. I find it curious that anyone would here who is not a frau.

All the ancient gay white men on Datalounge are fraus. This thread is full of them.

I grew up with woman in the house R154, its easy to see how dirty they are behind closed doors. A lot of woman, especially older ones go to a hair salon for a specific style, but when they get home, they cant repeat it so they just shove it into a dirty shower cap every day of the week until they are back at the salon.

Also, the phrase taking a French bath is a joke about how prostitutes or women in France don't bath ever day and instead drown themselves in cheap perfume. There is actually some truth to that.

OP probably carries smelling salts in her murse.

[quote] I then leave the little bottle on the table in case anyone wants to use more, and some do,

Thanks for the tip OP, only next time I will do this for you.

Guess who didn't use hand sanitizer.

[quote]If their fingers are greasy after dinner or if they get butter on their fingers from buttering a roll...I truly wonder where some of these people were raised.

Could you be any more declasse as you espouse your Miss manners diarrhea? Anyone with basic etiquette knows the proper way to eat bread is by tearing off a small piece one at time and then butters each bite with a butter spreader. You DO NOT slather it on an entire slice all at once like a mayonaise sandwich Dear.

This is how OP probably gets her food served all the time without knowing it.

And R146 only had the shits for a day!

R135 - then quit drinking alcohol.

All those vodka shots everyone downs and spills everywhere on weekends (while out partying & clubbing) have now created super-germs.

People who "sanitize" in public have no etiquette to speak of.

This thread will go up to 600, won't it?

Also, restaurants need to stop putting silverware bare on the table. Table clothes are not sterile, and the bare table is gross of course. Eating utensils should be wrapped in the napkin.

The restaurants I worked in with tablecloths were in fact changed after every customer and cleaned by a service with hot water and bleach. What kind of tacky restaurants do you go to R166?

Don't be disingenuous, r167. Many, if not most, restaurants don't use tablecloths. Not just "tacky" ones.

[quote] Eating utensils should be wrapped in the napkin.

That makes no sense at all. Any restaurant that presents silverware that way basically is just as dirty, maybe even more so. It's called a side job that some waiters are required to do before or after a shift. They grab the silverware and roll it in the napkin as fast as they can get through the job. Never seen a single one ever washing their hands before putting them all over the silverware. Its a kind of get it done shove it in a dirty draw kind of thing. And if the waiters are not the ones charged with that task, its usually the back room kitchen help which are like minimum wage day laborers doing it. And you know what that means.

Keep talking, r169. Maybe you'll scare some PureHellers out of eating in restaurants altogether.

Okay, I’ll bring my own silverware

Some people ask for hot water to soak their silverware before eating

Hot water doesn't do anything. Boiling water is more effective.

Old reliable Brenda, been at the joint 30 years.

[quote]Trivial personal choices in life are catnip for DL

The OP asked for opinions so he’s getting them. So far it’s hundreds of people siding with OP’s friend. The ones siding with OP come across as mental cases.

I have no doubt that this is partially a generational thing: the kids who were raised to press the chicken nuggets button on the microwave and mindlessly slather on this ineffective “sanitizer” whenever and wherever, without a secondary thought as to whether or not it’s effective or bothersome. They hate when you tell them that their mothers were wrong

R175, you sound like a bitter old coot, dude

You know this is a Frau (like your mother, R176) thing because there is a whole subset of them that claim sensitivity to it

OP, this never made it to market, saving you the expense fortunately. You can be sure all your food has been teabagged or gobbed on.

Without question the shit in the hand sanitiser, the residue making it to your mouth, would be doing you more damage than any bacteria on the bread or table.

I make it myself and like to rub down the entire body of my sex partner before contact. I prefer to combine the sanitizer with a tallit katan.

[Quote]Its a kind of get it done shove it in a dirty draw kind of thing.

Oh, dear!

OP , are you Ethel S. Kennedy , having just retrieved a BIG OL' WHOPPER ?

[Quote]I make it myself and like to rub down the entire body of my sex partner before contact. I prefer to combine the sanitizer with a tallit katan.

Eh, too much trouble, R180. I prefer this instead.

germ are bad

Hand sanitizer makes good lube and you don't need any spermicidal foam.

I used some as lube to jerk off with. I was at work and nothing else was available.

R186 Slow fap for you...

OP needs to just stay at home.

The germs are developing defenses against alcohol-based disinfectants. In less than 20 years, they have improved efficiency in evading death by alcohol exponentially.

Simple alcohol solution is no longer kill the most deadly of the germs.

Here you go, OP.

Now, why am I supposed to believe that those plastic gloves are any cleaner than someone's hands after a couple of minutes?

Don't dine with ANYONE with a beard unless you bring your hand sanitizer! This is for two reasons:

1. They're probably a douchebag

2. Their beards have poop on them.

Don't tell OP that there are germs living on his skin around his mouth, every time she takes a breath, the fork, spoon, knife, plate, the napkins and the table cloth. The chair he sits on probably has trillions of fecal matter on it from the 200 guests who sat on it before.

[quote]But in some cases using dirty fingers can cause painful mouth ulcers, esp. if you have a small wound(s) in your mouth (from accidental biting, over-brushing, etc.)

From reaching into a bread basket? Really?

Terribly gauche OP. Please use common sense: no one wants to see or smell you engage in this ritual.

You're just eating that hand sanitizer, you know that, OP?

I’m Just gonna eat at home

[quote]over-brushing

Tells us everything we need to know about this poster ...

R190 - I literally burst out laughing at that picture! It immediately reminded me of the clip below.

Do you think OP is actually Amber von Tussle?

I often wonder about the hand hygiene of those contestants on cooking shows like MasterChef. All that arranging of the food on a plate using their fingers seems rather gross.

At restaurants with table service, the last thing you're likely to do before eating is to handle a menu that's been passed through the hands of 100's of other diners without ever being cleaned or wiped down let alone sanitized. Restaurant menus (particularly laminated menus) are known vectors for pathogen transmission. Google it if you don't believe me.

Not washing your hands after handling a restaurant menu is like playing e-coli/salmonella russian roulette.

R200

Hands are far more sanitary than gloves, after just a few seconds of wear. A very lightly bleached towel and a quick rinse is faster and better than trying to change gloves every 45 seconds.

I was a kid when I learned this. They neglected to tell me to thoroughly rinse my hands and use hand lotion. After a few weeks, my hands looked like burn victims. I would just get my hands into the diluted bleach solution and dry them off. My hands looked like Madonna today, and I was 15.

And even though menus are “filthy,” people rarely get sick from the exposure. That should speak volumes to these weirdo clean freaks who take this stuff over-the-top.

It must be devastating to be one of these freaks. Just breathing must so fraught with anxiety, let alone touching what has already been touched.

I'm not a sanitizerholic, but I don't use big carts at the grocery store at least partly because of their propensity for carrying babybbutts.

It must be devastating to be one of those snowflakes who don't use big shopping carts because a clothed baby butt might have touched them.

Do you marinate your baby's butt in PureHell before you place it in a cart, Frauzalina r205?

I sure do hope Frauzalina soon catches on here because it is HYSTERICALLY funny! Might I suggest Cuntington as a surname to go along?

Someone's knickers got twisted!

r207 = Cuntsuela von Cuntington, CCC

OP, you're prissy and rude and an attention whore, and your dining companion is absolutely right.

Cut it out.

Cuntsuela von Cuntington, née Frauzalina.

You're too much R211! I seriously find Frauzalina way cooler than Frau. I think you penned a great new DL classic.

R207, you weren't cunting?

Actually, the née version of "Frauzalina" would be "Frauleinlina."

Or "Frauleinzalina."

Nope... and we're on the same side of the Purell argument too... Disgusto con mucho gusto, especially at table. I don't use the Catholic Family Size carts myself either

^ meant for R206 from R207

Con mucho disgusto, R216?

R218 Sorry, Spanish for "with pleasure" or can loosely mean great pleasure.... doesn't really logically follow, but I like following up disgusto with it!

Are you the long lost live child of Howard Hughes ?! Starts with hand sanitizer and ends up with you weeing in bottles......

The "Pure-Hell" as R206 calls it smells very similar to AquaNet hairspray to me. Vile stuff to be pulling out around food. No matter what you germaphobes slather yourselves with, the germs are going to win out in the end.

Purell is killing our children!

Remember Madysyn and her cookie!!!!

Deadly Purell allergy will be the next epidemic.

Purell-Free schools, airplanes, and public areas will be mandated.

Can't wait, r223.

I would refuse to dine with OP, too, at least after one warning. It's rude to subject your companions to unwanted and unnecessary chemicals.

OP, if you’re really worried about getting sick from eating in a restaurant, here’s some tips: don’t eat any salad, especially in the summer. Nothing with romaine, as there have been several different recalls about foods with romaine as an ingredient, including sandwiches with greens. Only eat cooked foods. Ask for the soup and not the salad.

I’ve been served salads at several restaurants lately that were either warm or limp. I’m done eating salads until it’s cooled off. One fellow diner got sick after we both ate salads out recently.

About the possibility that someone in the kitchen has hepatitis or something contagious, you can’t really protect yourself from that. They’re supposed to wear rubber gloves but who knows. Washing your hands isn’t going to protect you from contaminated food.

What tends to make people sick in restaurants is either staff with dirty hands or spoilt food. We’ve been having a heat wave and unless a restaurant is very meticulous, it’s possible you may get bad food. My advice would be, don’t go to a cheap restaurant in the summer when there’s a heat wave going on. I live in a very hot climate and have recently checked several local lunch places off my list because I’m not sure how clean it is and the heat’s just going to make any bacteria worse.

Restaurant cleaning standards seem lower in general now. I’ve noticed hotel cleaning standards are also much lower than a few years ago. Read hotel reviews and they all have dirty floors, dirty sheets, and uncleaned rooms and bedbugs are very common. And some of these places are $300-$400 a night and still dirt and bedbugs. I just read a review this morning about a guy paying $750 for one night in a fancy hotel and the sheets were unchanged and the room was uncleaned.

My guess is, this is because of all immigrants in service jobs with low cleanliness standards and employers looking to pay nothing and then expecting great work. It’s making travel very difficult and unpleasant these days. There are entire small towns I won’t stay in due to low cleanliness standards at the few hotels available. You can tell which ones are clean, because they’re sold out a week or two in advance and the others aren’t. And I’m not the only one. Look at Yelp or Expedia. Dirty tables, sticky floors and bedbugs everywhere regardless of price range. All this could be prevented or eliminated by cleaning, so that tells you how well the staff is paid and supervised.

If your immune system is healthy, generally you can stand some dirt. Wash your hands in the bathroom with hot soapy water and then dry. If you’re concerned about touching things after handwashing, carry a pack of wet wipes. Open the doorknob with a wet wipe if there are no paper towels. Nothing gets rid of harmful bacteria on your hands better than washing it down the sink.

Avoid prepared uncooked foods such as sandwiches or salads. Trader Joe’s has had recent recalls on prepared foods like salads and sandwiches. Only buy deli convenience foods that can be microwaved or cooked in an oven.

In the old days there used to be a rule about not eating seafood at certain times of the year due to risk of spoilage. We should probably say that about salad at restaurants in the summer now. And don’t think the lettuce you get at the market isn’t just as contaminated as a restaurant salad. Wash it thoroughly.

We’re living in a third world country now, when it concerns food safety. Our regulations have been weakened by Republicans going back decades. If you don’t want to get sick, then only eat hot cooked foods when you’re out.

^^^^I think in hot weather, it's a good idea to stay clear of shellfish. It goes bad so quickly.

R226 types like a crazy person

Also covered with every germ under the sun in restaurants are the bottles of ketchup, mustard, steak sauce, syrup and salt and pepper shakers. Think of how many licked fingers have touched them or fingers that touched food that has now been on those bottles forever. Most restaurants, even fine dining places do not replace the bottles with fresh. They just fill them up again. The S&P shakers are never replaced unless one breaks.

I touch the menu and if I need condiments or S&P on my food use it and only then clean my hands.

As for whats already in the food, we take our chances and yes, try to stay out of really crummy dirty looking restaurants or ones in NYC that don't get the A rating by the Board of Health. Although even the most expensive restaurants can be filthy. Many people that have worked in some of the finest restaurants in the world have said if you've seen what goes on in the kitchen you'll never eat in a restaurant again.

In many places servers, who who sometimes handle taking plates that have been eaten from off the table no one to bus it is available and who handle money and credit cards and probably have not washed their hands after using the bathroom or blowing their noses and who often eat bites of things, licking their own fingers, will dish out salad with their bare hands and cut lemons and such.

Remember, Typhoid Mary was a restaurant worker.

R229, waiters like to finger each other too.

I can vouch for the ketchup bottles. When I worked in restaurants in college, we would refill the half empty ones with other half empty ones so that they looked brand new. The ones that were really low got put in a contraption that would hold them over a bucket. Gravity would run its course and empty the bottles all the way. That bucket of ketchup was used in making salad dressings like thousand island and Russian

R226 got issues.

I can’t believe my thread is still going I’m still going to use my purel

Slightly off topic, but I will never forget watching a Chinese family each place a stack of paper toilet seat protectors on their seats at a showing of "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" in Pasadena. LMAO!

R226 here.

I just had to travel to LA a couple of days ago on very short notice. The hotels I usually use were booked. I looked around for places within about a hundred miles. Anything likely to be remotely clean was sold out.

Here’s some stuff I’ve seen in Southern California: rooms with dead roaches on the floor. Spiders and earwigs in the bathtub. Skanky looking construction workers hanging around in the parking lot. Not at a Motel 6 either, one of the nicer crappy hotels in Ventura. “Nice” is relative in Ventura. 90% of the hotels there are unbelievably rundown looking and the reviews describe homeless and methheads hanging all over the parking lot. I’ve had filthy homeless people encrusted in grime, with scabs on their faces, approach me for money in hotel parking lots and gas stations there. I’m guessing Ventura has no facilities for the homeless to clean up. I don’t stay there any more if I can help it. I’d rather drive farther.

In other Southern California towns, tile floors covered in chips and dirty. Sticky floors. Reviews all over Southern Cal, of rundown plumbing leaking and running or toilets stopped up. Check the reviews on Expedia. You’ll never want to leave the house again. Now I look for hotels in upscale suburbs and towns only. Sometimes that works and sometimes it doesn’t.

Bedbugs appear to be an out of control epidemic in California. Even nice places have them. I saw a photo on a travel review site for the Mission Inn in Riverside. It’s an old Spanish style hotel people use for weddings. Very elaborate architecture and not cheap. The photo was of bedbugs on the fancy furniture in the lobby. Review after review of that hotel having failing plumbing and uncleaned rooms. The rooms there top out around $400 a night or more and are rated four star. $400 for bedbugs and broken toilets at a wedding?

All of this seems emblematic of the era of Trumpism, that is, Trumpism is the symptom and not the cause. People used to take pride in keeping things clean, now they’re just out to suck the last dime out of tourists and do no maintenance.

Restaurants are the same. Recently I spent a week as a guest in someone’s home and we went to lunch every day at various family style restaurants. Sticky floors, sticky tables, sticky menus. What the hell is wrong with people that they run a restaurant and can’t or won’t clean it?

R226 has even bigger issues than first thought.

I guess R236 loves bedbugs and can’t understand what’s wrong with them.

The main difference between germaphobes and the rest of us, is we more relaxed types don't ruminate over ketchup bottles, menus, others touching things etc. Seems some here ought to focus more on controlling their thoughts, rather than constantly trying to disinfect their hands and live in a sterile environment.

... yet y'all will suck dick and rim ass at the drop of a dime.

The idea that people are getting e. coli from touching restaurant menus is hilarious.

Oh OP: "When dining out...." What century you in, girl?

[quote]Bring DDT back.

So many people say this, but DDT is no longer effective against bed bugs... but remains horribly toxic to humans and animals.

[quote]Oh OP: "When dining out...." What century you in, girl?

What is "dining out" called in the 21st?

Well, according to many on this thread, R243, it might be called "toilet licking".

"Skanky looking construction workers..."

R235, where did you say that hotel is?

I’ve found that I now reflexively wash my hands after I come home from mixing with dirty people, which is everyone.

I always wash my hands as soon as I get home.

If your hands are dirty when you turn on the faucet, they’re germ-ridden when you turn it off!

I leave a piece of paper towel near my sink when I leave the house. I turn the faucet on with the clean paper towel and then throw it away, wash my hands and then turn off the faucet with clean hands.

I take off my street clothes and then wash my hands again before I touch anything else in my home.

I only wear slippers indoors, my shoes never touch my floors.

When I prepare raw chicken I just about go through a Silkwood getting off the plutonium routine. Really any raw protein I clean very carefully anything that's been touched. I pre set out salt and pepper in little prep bowls. But when I have raw poultry around I especially turn into a madman and bring out the Clorox Regular, the only bleach that actually disinfects and not just "sanitizes" which is a term like "natural." It means nothing.

[quote] I only wear slippers indoors, my shoes never touch my floors.

I will never understand why Americans wear shoes inside their homes.

Aside from the increased wear and tear on the floors, don't you guys worry about all the dirt you're tracking throughout your home?

Canada's got a lot of problems, especially lately with that jackass Jussy Trudeau running things into the ground, but at least we take off our goddamn shoes when we enter our homes!

R248 & R249 You both are exhausting. I feel for you both though, as I have a friend from boarding school with serious OCD that has left him pretty much disabled, and another friend who is a serious germaphobe. While at germy's recently, I needed his facilities for a "sit-down" deal, immediately afterward, he put on mommy dearest rubber gloves up to his elbows and went to town on disinfecting the toilet. His being seriously rattled by the fact was quite obvious. He not only added straight bleach, but a toilet cleaner with OxyClean also. He spent an INORDINATE amount of time detailing the fucking thing. I told him I was praying I didn't need it again on account of all the trouble he had gone too. Your sort makes me want an entire pitcher of martinis and a bloody Valium.

Just don't have any bread if it scares you so much. (And you do know the waiters have already handled it putting it in there, right?)

r251, can you imagine these poor souls having sex?

The waiter stuck a finger in the busboy's rosebud.

R254, I didn't know La Spacey used to be a waiter