George Michael general discussion thread II

George Michael's estate releases emotional statement following Fadi Fawaz's claims the singer killed himself

Following the publication of the story, a spokesperson for George's estate has since responded – and denied all claims in the report when approached by OK! Online.

"As you know we do not normally comment on private matters, whether true or false," the statement to OK! Online read, adding that: "the suggestion that George Michael’s death was suicide is simply wrong and impossible to reconcile with the findings of the Coroner, who after a thorough investigation concluded, that Mr Michael died of natural causes.

"As any informed reporter would know, if there were any doubt as to the Coroner’s conclusions as to the cause of George’s tragic death, he would have been obliged to hold a Public Inquest.

"He did not do so. These facts in our view speak for themselves."

The statement continued: "It is very distressing for the family and friends of Mr Michael who have already suffered the trauma of his untimely passing to still be faced with inaccurate and upsetting stories of this nature."

R1 So why the hell can't the family do something about this feckin whore leech and his big mouth? Fans care nothing for this sensationalism - or for any of the disparaging stories the press spun about him. George's legacy was the beautiful and passionate music he left. How cruel to do this now, when family friends are still trying to recover.

George Michael’s family needs to shut down Fadi Fawaz and his bull shit. There isn’t anything FF could possibly have to say about George that would make a difference to George’s fans. His fans didn’t care about his sexuality or the headlines. His fans cared about him as a person, his music and most of all wanted him to be happy.

Shut down FF ASAP.

Sorry for the duplicate web site link.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Fake news George stopped taking GHB in 2013

George truly has the worst PR and management team

It really doesn’t help anyone when newspapers print this type of article.

These comments are totally unfounded and when the person responsible for making such claims is someone that will do almost anything for money and or attention, questions need to be asked as to why such an article was allowed to be published!

It strikes me that very little thought is given to those that are most effected by these unsubstantiated claims, mostly George’s family and relations.

I will not go into any lengthy detail here to explain how exactly I know this most recent rubbish from Fadi is exactly that, rubbish and totally untrue, simply because I wish to remain private and dignified, and I have nothing to gain from what I write here, neither do I seek any publicity or any financial reward.

But there comes a time when, after reading regular articles, mostly arising from Fadi, giving such ridiculous and totally unfounded accounts, I cannot and will not sit back and say nothing!

George, over many years, had been a heavy smoker, both of regular tobacco products and of other products. George drank quite heavily and regularly. George used a variety of other pharmaceuticals over many years, not all of which were medically prescribed!

His death, unfortunately and very sadly, was due to his body simply giving up! No suicide, nothing untoward, nothing sinister!

I was fortunate enough to have been considered as a friend of George, we knew each other for many years, but never once did I want any part of his, so called, celebrity lifestyle.

I never accepted any money or gifts from George, despite many offers of both from him.

During all this time of knowing George, I never sold any stories, spread any rumours or indeed discussed him with anyone outside of my immediate family, and even then I always told George what I have said and to who.

None of this is because I am a saint or a martyr etc, but down to one very simple thing, I was his friend!

We live in this so called ‘free world’, so everyone is of course entitled to their own opinion, but unless you actually know the person in question, it is always dangerous to make comments or cast aspersions, without being in possession of the truth.

If you enjoy the music and videos that George created, then surely that should be enough?

So much better to remember anyone in a positive way, rather than have your memories tainted by this distasteful rubbish!

Again, please show some respect for George’s family and relatives and stop giving this particular person, Fadi, a platform on which he is being allowed to tarnish this wonderfully gifted and generous individual.

8. Please stop. I am a gm fan myself but I am not in denial about the possibility that he might have been suicidal on Christmas eve. Based on the incidences in the last few years of his life. The m1 accident and the multiple ambulance called to his house. Please cut the delusion. Your long lengthy statement is total fanatic jargon. You know nothing about george so stop pretending to be an expert. You are just a fan. I can't stand fadi but sometimes a broken clock can be right once in a while. We know fadi has no good intentions by revealing not so surprising revelation but it does not mean it is not true.

George Michael's family hit back at Fadi Fawaz's "distressing" claim that star killed himself after five attempts

Singer’s former escort Fawaz says George died on his late mum’s birthday, and not Christmas Day as was thought, but relatives say this is "impossible to reconcile" with the coroner's findings

Hello everyone, “Lovelies” everywhere… 30 years ago today 25TH June 1988…

A few of you, who were there in Birmingham (England) will remember Yog’s Faith Tour concert at The N.E.C, as we do with great fondness.

A special guest appearance on the night from the mighty Mr Ridgeley – sporting moustache and goatee if I remember correctly… for a bouncy rendition of Wham’s ‘I’m your man’ – reliving for a moment, those crazy early days together… full of shared joy and amazing humour.

For Yog & Andrew, it was a fantastic time in their lives… and by taking their fans as well as their good friends along for the ride, they had wonderful youthful joyful times to look back on… great memories for us all.

We remember that night, just before Yog sang ‘Faith’, our friends and family took cupcakes on stage and the whole place sang Happy Birthday to him….

We’ve been reflecting on those 30 years, between then and now (and like all of us, most of it was fine, some of it, not so much) we think he would want you to remember that, for him, there were some fulfilling career highs that many artists never experience in a lifetime, being able to make and share his music and above all connect with the people that ‘got him’ brought him great joy.

Like all artists who are masters of their craft, part of that ‘giving’ you never get back, especially if you share those parts of yourself that really mean something….

Although our sorrow still sometimes overwhelms us, only we know how much of his time was spent doing what he truly loved, surrounded by friends and family, and a team who adored him, and how much satisfaction it brought him, that he could share it with so many of you who appreciate and love him (ignoring those who choose to misrepresent him and profit from his talent).

We remember his words, uttered at the end of his last show at Earls Court, sitting on the perspex steps of the stage at the end of his 25 Live concert, at the very end of 2 years of shows around the world… talking to his fans about all those 25 years….

“It’s been an amazing, amazing ride but there have been so many moments when the compromises have seemed too much…but I have just spent the last 2 years working out that every bit of aggro was worth it for this, I thank you for that, I really do….”

So do we.

Happy Birthday Yog…We’ll turn your music up today knowing you’re smiling down, feeling all our love and laughing at our dancing!

Melanie, Yioda, Jack & David x

I love this song, but the accompanying video doesn’t have a natural emotion in it. Not even the conversations at dinner are natural. Maybe when that queen enters with the firewood, he looks real, but otherwise - no.

R12 What video?

R8 is an idiot troll who has posted half the fadi thread pretending to be all sorts of people with different viewpoints. They pasted this exact comment in the other thread too.

R13, I was referring to the video in the OP.

Poster 8 is truly disturbed and psychotic. We should all block this psychopath pretending to personally know George. His or her writings are the same fanatic bullshit from other GM related threads, especially in the Fadi thread.

Look at GM and his virile lust for women while he vacationed with a TOPLESS BROAD.

/s

17 you are one of those dumbass lovelies. I am sure there is a picture of mj looking at a woman in a tight dress but it did not make him straight or bisexual. Just stop with the bullshit photos or supposed evidences.

Sorry [R18] George was bisexual at one point in his life. You the one who seem to have a problem with that. Many of us believe what George stated about HIS sexuality which has been consisted over the years. George believe that at that time which is fine given his upbringing and being the only Greek son .Later in life George lived his truth, unfortunately he never found a male lover that love George.

R17 you are an uninformed person obviously. That is not any Topless BROAD, but Kathy Jeung. Many considered her as GMs beard in the FAITH era

You are really a dumb frau. I am sure Elton John looking at a topless woman makes him bisexual. You are really clueless about gay men and sexuality. Just because a gay man looks at a topless woman does not make him bisexual. I am referring to the clueless frau at 17 and 19.

I did not know that looking at tites cures homosexuality. All you gay men have been doing it wrongly because clueless frau at 17 and 19 said so. All you guys need to do is look straight at a breast while someone takes your picture you are cured. You can now proclaim bisexuality.

I don't know why George Michael seems to make so many people anger. Why do we subject our own life unto his which at times was interesting to say. When I watch the film A Different Story and Boy George stated that "George did not like himself." People in the comment sections where giving off insults to both Boy George and Noel Gallagher for their comments. What his fans fail to see that George was the producer and could have edit those comments out. I say that because (if you watch the film) maybe there was some truth to those remarks. Just look at the men George chose as partners and in later interviews he never spoke about the Wham- Faith era in regards to his personal life. Maybe he was ashamed of tying to live life as a straight guy because of those times it was not easy like today. So George Michaels sex life would cause people to become upset if you enter the story later in his life, but for many of his fans its not that difficult to understand. I choose to focus on his music not his person life. Because if the people within his inter circle every spoke, it would anger some people. Here is an article from Tony Hadley.

Tonya the young lady in George Michael’s ‘Father Figure’ interview.

poster 24 so what is your point. i hope you are not the deranged clueless lovely from 17 and 19. if you are please stop. you are not convincing anyone with your bs theory.

R25 My point is Tonya picked up immediately that George was gay without him mentioning it. I’m not a lovlie.

[R26] She said that after he was outed. Believe me when the April 9,1998 arrest of George Michael engaging in a lewd act the whole world was shock. The only person to say George was gay during the year of 1988 was Boy George. He even stated that she Tonya was a trans woman at the time. You had to been alive when this story broke it was big news.

It doesn’t get much better than this. Elton John introducing Paul Young and George Michael. George was certainly in his element performing with Paul. This performance was from 1986. George looks happy and and he sang his out heart.

R22 [quote] I did not know that looking at tites cures homosexuality. All you gay men have been doing it wrongly because clueless frau at 17 and 19 said so. All you guys need to do is look straight at a breast while someone takes your picture you are cured. You can now proclaim bisexuality.

That was hilarious - I needed to laugh today. Thanks.

R22 The news circulating around George the last couple of days have been so uncalled for and totally unnecessary for his loved ones. It’s been rather a sad time. I also had a good laugh which I needed today,

R22 Looking at tits cures homosexuality - GOOD ONE. This constant agenda by some of these Lovelies to say George secretly loved women is disgusting. He was a proud gay man. Accept it

You queens really missed the boat on R17. He was obviously being sarcastic - noted by the /s at the end of his post.

George came out as gay and he was gay but dated few girls before he accepted himself as a gay man

R24 R27 If you believe an unknown model, Andros and Boy George more then George Michael then wtf are you doing in George Michael thread

[R34} Because its a free world and you don't own this board. FYI George did not come out like history trying to change things. That man was thrown out of that closet. If George was so out then why did he market himself to females. Just read interview from his varies friend and not the Sun magazines. Also ;R34] you need to go back to Twitter and tell his crazy lovelies that both Fadi and Kenny are the same.

In my post [R27] that model was lying through her teeth because if she believe George was gay, there was no way in hell she would have kiss him in that video. You see back in the mid 80's people believe you got AIDS for touching, breathing and yet alone kissing anyone who was gay. You see Father Figure was release three after Rock Hudson(a gay man) died from AIDS and every actress that kiss him were acting very homophobic.

I remember the news calling the kiss between Rock and Linda Evans as the deadly kiss. So unlike you I am not seeing things through 2018 eyes, but how it really was during that time. P.S Boy George was the only one who said George Michael was gay, when note GM said he would kick his arse if he said that again. George Michael was a closet case, but I still respect him because once outed he never look back and his career suffer for it.

R35 FYI George did not come out like history trying to change things. That man was thrown out of that closet.

Whatever at least he came out as something unlike 99% of closet Hollywood.

He had the choice and he came out as gay not bisexual I was talking about that. I'm aware of LA incident. After that he could have backtracked easily like may others who did and claim to be bisexual and marry a beard for saving his career and fans and a comeback but he didn't.

[quote] note GM said he would kick his arse if he said that again

because it was non of Boy George or any one else's business

Yes he was closeted but he wasn't shoving his personal like in our throat like other celebs he was very low profile with Kathy and Pat if you believe they were beards. so what if he had (or hadn't) 2 or 3 beards in 1980s (different times) when he was in his 20s . He wasn't dating any woman at least 10 years prior to his arrest give him credit for that .

He did not come out then but wasn't bearding and wasn't even bother hiding it anymore he was going out and dating Kenny quite openly before the LA incident

George wanted to live his life privately and I respect that. Coming out is a personal choice George did not owe anyone (especially Boy George!) to come out.

most gay celebs die in closet and few come out as bisexual for covering their bearding past. We're in 2018 and they are still marrying their beards but DLers are only harsh on George Michael for staying in closet in The Era of AIDS. It's kinda weird they only focus on George Michael and trash him while leave the others

and I agree that model is someone like Andros or Fadi trying to make a cash out of fake stories

R34 The model Tonya that worked on the video with George Michael stated she knew George was gay without the topic ever being discussed between the two. I have no doubt George was a proud gay man. It is unfortunate that he had to deal with his sexuality, depression, drugs, alcohol, health issues and not being able to trust people. He is no longer with us and people like Fadi and Kenny to name a few are still trying to live off of him. In time I hope he is remembered for his songwriting, vocal abilities and producing his music and not his private life that he so desperately tried to live.

Below are Tonya the model in the videos remarks.

“How was it to work with George Michael? What was he like?

He was great. A very intelligent, witty dude. I adore him. At the time, he was in that period of revealing himself as a gay man. It was a sensitive time.

You knew he was gay?

Yes, from getting so close. Getting to know him over those few days, he was clearly gay to me. I think he probably had to dig pretty deep to get through those love scenes. I remember it being quite tricky for him but we got through it. We had to kiss again and again…“take 37.” (laughs) We had to do the scene where he slaps me again and again. I had to say “George, just kiss me properly so we can get out of here!”

You could just tell he was gay—he didn’t say?

It was perfectly clear.”

That model is a bitch George should have hired the short one for the Father Figure video . The woman in the Father Figure music video was so tall, masculine looking and had a man jaw she wasn't feminine at all.

Stop digging for clues you bitch

Yes it was pretty clear and it is very clear by looking at Tonya's man jaw that she's a lesbian she probably wanted to beard for George and was rejected she's an angry bitch

Butch Queen Tania and her gay hubby

Jody Watley and George Michael performed a duet together called ‘Learn To Say No’.

George Michael - Idol (Elton John cover)

George Michael - Baby don't change your mind (Gladys Knight & The Pips cover)

[45] I thought I knew all of George’s songs. I’m not sure how I missed that one. I really liked his version.

[bold]Elton John 'tried to help' George Michael[/bold]

Elton John has said he "tried to help" his late friend George Michael overcome his problems with drugs, but "you can't help people who don't want to help themselves".

In a candid interview on Channel 4 News, John discussed overcoming his own addiction 28 years ago, and his efforts to help Michael, who was found dead on Christmas Day 2016. The final post-mortem report into the 53-year-old's death concluded that he died of natural causes, namely heart and liver disease.

"I tried to put my arms around him," said John. "I tried to help, but you can't help people who don't want to help themselves.

"I've learnt that as an addict and I'm 28 years clean and sober. When people told me when I was using that I was doing the wrong thing I was so angry and I just told them to go away or I actually used stronger language than that.

"So, I understand George, you know when I said a couple of things, and he did a whole page interview in Heat magazine, saying I should shut up and I understood what his reaction was."

John described addiction as "a horrible thing".

"And two or three of our friends are mired in addiction at the moment," he continued. "And I've learned there's nothing you can do 'til you actually say, 'Okay I'm going to do something about it, I need help'."

"Took me 16 years to say it," John admitted. "I thought, 'I know I'm intelligent. I know I have a problem and I can go for six months without it'. But it always got worse when I started back on it.

"And at the end of the day, addiction is a very serious problem and it needs to be addressed by yourself and you need help from people.

"Whether it's an Alcoholics Anonymous or going to rehab or just having the humility to say, 'I have a problem, I can't do this, can somebody help me?'"

R47 I mean, Elton's not wrong. He's always been a bit hamfisted in the way he encourages fellow artists to seek help for substance abuse issues, but his heart is generally in the right place. I think George's issue was that, in the end, he didn't have any real stakes so to speak. When you're incredibly wealthy without a need or desire to work and just loaf through your days, and have a penchant for drugs - well, what do you think is going to happen?

Poster 48. That is an excuse to not get clean. We need to making excuses for our favorite drug addicted popstars. We need to call it as we see it, they had no desire to get clean. Drugs was a way for them to cope with whatever issues they have or had. They never intend to face their problems like any normal person who will get fed up and seek appropriate help.

In the last Redline interview GM was talking about MJ,Prince,Whitney addictions and saying Madonna and he were sane etc. That shows just how much in denial George was about his own drug use and problems. Not only was he telling us that he only had problems with prescription meds and weed for years, but he was in deep denial himself. What Elton said about wanting to do it himself was sorely missing till the end. As for the Keiran, Fadi crowd fighting it is like who is the better whore. None of them were good for him and enabled all his worst habits. But George choose this path over many years unfortunately using the bereavements which were horrible as excuses. He just did not handle them well.

I think the worst thing about George is that he would be rather convincing in telling you that he was clean and on the straight and narrow (other than his beloved marijuana), but of course he wasn't. I mean for Christ's sake he was smoking crack in public bathrooms.... and this was at a time when he should have been happy, with a boyfriend, a new album and a tour. But obviously he could never be truly happy because of the deep issues he apparently had.

R50 - [quote] As for the Keiran, Fadi crowd fighting it is like who is the better whore.

So true.

R51 There is a very poignant article by Kristy Young where she refers to the Red Line interview... In it she points out that: [quote] … His prescription painkiller problem? Well, it’s a very common thing these days, and people only do that if they are trying to quell the pain inside. He had quite obvious vulnerabilities. Some of them I think were a by-product of being a gay man at the time that he was. You look at those great rock’n’rollers such as Keith Richards, whom I interviewed last year, or Bruce Springsteen. Like George, they had massive fame from an early age. Like George, they have the talent, the wealth, the ability to sustain a music career. So how come they survived and George died? Well, they have the benefit of a strong day-to-day domestic structure, with very long-term partners and kids. On a day-to-day basis, when they look like they might be “falling”, someone will be there to catch them. [/quote]

Her insinuation is clear: George, despite being surrounded by people and so-called “lovers,” had no one who truly cared about his welfare – no one who had his best interests at heart. Everyone around G was a user – all existing in a deified stratosphere as a result of his blood, sweat, and talent. Heartbreaking when you think about it - he was such a gentle, vulnerable soul. You may have to register to read the entire article – but it’s free.

[52] I do think George’s struggles with his sexuality had a major impact on his life. He was young, good looking, sexy, very talented and he basically knew at 19 he was gay. Let’s face it being gay in the 80’s wasn’t like today. There was the aids epidemic and he had to deal with the media as well. In a blink of an eye he become famous and wealthy. In his inner circle and in private he could be himself. Other than that he was basically living a double life. Not sure how healthy living that way for any length of time would be for anyone.

In the book “Bare” George: When I decided to split with Andrew I was in the middle of a very heavy depression. I had personal problems at the time, I was going through the end of a relationship and I was feeling very negative about the whole Wham! thing. I was feeling trapped by a lot of things, He goes on to say “I can honestly say that I never lost my temper until I was 22 years old. And then for a period of about 6 or 8 months before the end of Wham!, I really lost it. I was feeling paparazzi pressure at the time.”

I think his mom was a stabilizing factor in his life. In a lot of families the mom is the glue that keeps the family together. Once he lost his mom he never filled that void in his life. Some people can handle the situation and others really struggle.

The red line was on YouTube in two parts not long ago,

GM himself said this is who I am and I no longer consider these things weaknesses. After a while George convinced himself that whatever he was doing was right and that is the way to live. He simply did not have anybody to even point out the wounds he was inflicting on himself. One wonders why the sisters at the very least did not intervene more strongly and shake him up. By the time they might have tried it, it was too late

[54] In the book “Bare” George states when he was depressed, drinking mostly wine if available due to his vocal cords or tequila and drugs he stayed away from his family. Towards the end of his life he almost became a recluse. He seemed to withdraw from his loved ones when he went through his depression and lonely spells. Eventually drugs and alcohol are going to take a toll on your body and brain. He wasn’t in good health. He probably became a master at keeping his personal issues private. No one can help you if you are not ready to help yourself. I can’t imagine what it had to be like to be George’s sisters watching him spiral out-of-control.

If you crossed George or he didn’t like the way you were handling a situation you were out of his life. Pat Fernandez, Simon Napier-Bell, Jazz Summers, and, Andros to name a few. He had trust issues. It seems as though people wanted the perks that went along with being his friend/lover. Fadi and Kenny are two perfect examples of people that seemed to use George Michael for their own welfare.

Well those two toxic relationships did George no favor. Here is an interesting interview about Kenny.

^The American Angel who always took care of George and kept him from death

R53 The breakup of Wham! has sort of been papered over, and most people just stick to what George said about it (that they outgrew it, even though they were only 23). However, I imagine that it wasn't exactly as lovely as George phrased it - I think that while Andrew always knew that it wouldn't be a lifelong gig and that George would move on, he also thought there were at least a few more years and another album before that happened.

George also took some rather nasty shots at Andrew in the press around this time ('86-early '87), and while they obviously patched it up to some extent, it goes against the idea that Wham! breaking up was an entirely pleasant, mutual artistic decision.

"The fact that he didn't contribute anything must have been a terrible blow to his ego". "I often wonder why he left himself be overpowered by me".

What a nice friend. I think it's obvious why Andrew sort of kept his distance over the years.

^Do you have the whole interview? There is a context to this. Andrew had a nervous breakdown of sorts in 1985. There is another interview in which GM is asked and acknowledges this. I think that is what he is referring to here about the last 2 years of WHAM! being bad for Andrew and the "The fact that he didn't contribute anything must have been a terrible blow to his ego". "I often wonder why he left himself be overpowered by me". part

I don't recall reading about Andrew having a nervous breakdown. I remember Simon Napier-Bell and others within the Wham circle thinking Andrew would be bigger then George. Also George was the one to release the news of Wham's breakup while Andrew was in Monte Carlo. Andrew discover this when the press ask him to which he replied with a "fuck off.' I guess he thought the press was making things up.

Anyway George had a history of changing things to fit his narrative. Once the press get pass this touched gay man saga and move on the subject that is George Michael. I believe from some of the old interview's I 've read, he was a interesting man. Especially when it came to controlling Wham.

^There are articles and some interviews at that time talking about Andrew's breakdown in 1985. AR also said he was in a difficult period leading up to the Final WHAM concert In 1985, Michael decided to walk away from Wham! and from partner Ridgeley—who reportedly suffered a nervous breakdown—to embark upon a solo career.

In a Rolling Stone interview Andrew sais George had a nervous breakdown of some sort.

'He was sent into such a depression that Wham! itself was a casualty. "The actual Wham! split was definitely provoked by my emotional distress around that period," he says. "It's hard to tell whether or not it would have happened at that time had it not been for that relationship failing. Maybe if I'd felt more secure, I would have felt no need to shake things up. But at the time I just wanted to make a clean start. Basically, I didn't want to be a star anyone, because I was feeling so sorry for myself." "I think George had come close to doing almost everything he wanted to do," says Andrew Ridgeley, "but it really hadn't worked out quite as planned. And then there was that emotional involvement that turned sour. He had a fairly rough ride for a while, I think. He leans to introspection, and he's very analytical, and he screws himself up on that a lot. I don't think his attitude to life is very carefree." For most of a year, Michael drank his way from Los Angeles to Australia to Saint-Tropez, avoiding London because he didn't want his family and friends to see him. One night in L.A., though, he went drinking with Ridgeley - "his exorcism," Ridgeley laughingly calls it. Michael says his former partner "just got the whole lot, every awful feeling that I was having. And then the next day it was just gone. Vanished, to the degree that I couldn't believe it. I kept expecting it to creep back on me, but it never did." "I won't say it could have been anyone," says Ridgeley, "but George just needed a shoulder to cry on, in its simplest sense. That night in L.A. it came to a head, he got it out, and I think he grew up a bit and realized that you have to get on with things."

Snippets: Late in the summer Wham! adjourned to S. France to record their 2nd album at Chateau Minerval.

Andrew: I invited the 2 (Dave Ridley and Johnny Fowler) of them over to the south of France when we were just about to record ‘Make It Big’. One day they bathed me. They washed my hair. They washed me. I didn’t feel very well that day. That was quite a laugh. George didn’t think it was a laugh.

George: That was the time when Andrew was going out and getting pissed out of his head. Doing it deliberately, placing himself right in front of the cameras. It was unspoken, but I was very impressed with his realization that he had to do something to keep his personality up front because everyone was realizing the musical imbalance. I thought that it was a really good laugh, but the fact is that he was getting totally wrecked, he was so lazy and he just couldn’t be bothered.

George: We woke up early the next morning because we had to start filming quite early. Andrew was in the bath with all his clothes on. Dave and Johnny were filling up the bath to wake him up and and he was sitting there and George said — I can’t believe you. You ‘ve only been here 8 hours, you only have one thing to do — wake up!

I never realized Andrew was supposed to attend Band Aid’s ‘Do they think it’s Christmas’.

Andrew: I got up rather late that day. I didn’t even know that I was supposed to be going...By then it was clear to me that Wham! had achieved what George ultimately wanted it to. If he was really going to achieve his ambitions, then it would have to be on his own. As a concept, Wham! had become too restricting for him.

[R63] I can’t believe you. You ‘ve only been here 8 hours, you only have one thing to do — wake up! That quote took me out lol. Thanks for the laugh

When a man comes to die, no matter what his talents and influence and genius, if he dies unloved his life must be a failure to him and dying a cold horror.

Statement from George Michael’s Estate

Elton John sexually assaulting George Michael

George Michael - Too shy to say (Stevie Wonder cover)

George Michael - Live at Mandela Day - Full Show - London, Wembley Stadium

In the above videos George was really in his prime.

Hit Parade: The Imperial Elton and George Edition

This thread started good then it got boring towards the end. Who is the moron that keep posting GM pictures. It is too much and unnecessary.

Bowie declared himself gay, and then later bisexual, and married women twice there are just so many examples (both male and female) like Bowie, Tom Hardy etc who crawled back into their closets (or never came out) and married their beards and made a fake image of having great family being best husband and father an image to sell

George Michael threads are Migraine & Headaches Center of DL

[R75] The title tells you what's the subject is about so.....

George names artists that would still be around.

[R77] Thanks for the interview it was great. Do you have the first four parts? Thanks in advance

R60, why did they think that? Ridgeley was hardly talented, as his solo album showed.

R59, yep, here it is - it was part of the clipping to the right.

George Michael — Part 1

George Michael — Part 2

George Michael — Part 3

Sorry, not sure what happened with [82]

George Michael

George Michael — Unapologetically, To The Very End

[R80-85] Thank you for posting .

[R85] Ditto. Thank you for posting - great article. We all take George and his "antics" for granted now but in retrospect he was always a rebel and true badass - bless his soul. The shit G put up with would have destroyed lesser, "straight" men...

[quote]It’s easy to dismiss the importance of George’s coming out two decades ago in the context of today’s more open-minded entertainment industry. Imagine Justin Bieber being busted cruising for cock in an LA toilet [insert happy face!] and magnify that by ten and you might have the smallest semblance of the furore that surrounded George Michael’s 1998 bust. The tabloids hounded him relentlessly. His sexuality was put under homophobia-fuelled scrutiny by the very same papers that recently carried emotive obituaries, mourning his loss.

R86 R87 Your welcomed. My first time trying to post something correctly. Sorry if it doesn’t work.

The following are a few thoughts of how George felt at the end of the Faith Tour.

[quote] I want to step back from all the self-publicity and promotion and marketing to protect my ability, my gift as a songwriter. I think that if I’ve abused that gift it’s been by not using it enough. I want to change that; I’ve realized I need to fight to protect that gift. But even more than that, I need to protect my life.

[quote]I hope the public understands. I don’t want people to feel pissed off or to feel that I’ve deserted them. I know a lot of people feel loyal to me and I just want to make sure that I’m still giving them something worthwhile in ten years’ time.

[quote] I used to be very excited by the idea of being a star, but I’m not driven by my old securities any more.

[quote] In some ways it feels like celebrity has been a distraction. When I started out at sixteen, seventeen, I thought of myself as a songwriter and then my career turned into something that I didn’t expect. After ‘Careless Whisper’ had been written, I said to Andrew — somebody, somewhere, is going to want to make money out of these songs. I wasn’t convinced that it would be who would sing them because I wasn’t confident as a singer or performer and, anyway, I feel that’s what my vocation was.

[quote] I feel completely positive about all this. My life is going to be more balanced, my music is going to be better.

The above are from the book ‘Bare’.

Had the record company worked with George after the Faith Tour his life and career may have turned out completely different. He certainly seemed to know how he wanted to handle his future.

I got some of it right. Maybe next time I will nail it.

GM fans are long-winded.

Oh man. Back to WHAM and FAITH days and whatever... Going back in time

[R89] you did good and thank again for the posting these articles.

R88 / R89 Quotes look great and articles are new to me.

R90 / R91 Hey, it's a "George Micheal general discussion thread..." So yeah, we may be a bit long-winded - so what? If you're not a fan why are you here?

Yeah he was a badass that prematurely died before his time. I am sure he did feel like a badass during the last years if his life. He even had regrets about some decisions he made especially the Sony court case. Any one can act ballsy but there is also a price to pay.

R94 a very high price to pay. He had major trust issues. In the beginning he was surrounded by people he knew a long time or friends. Apparently besides Andrew the only other person he listened to was Dick Leahy. Leahy must have been able to read George quite well. He picked up immediately on not what to do to George if you wanted in his world. Do you think George was impulsive when he felt threatened?

Leahy advised George to get in the studio and learn how to produce music. Which George did and he became a master in the studio. He was producing songs on the Wham! album. Leahy watched the Careless Whisper video and agreed with George that it wasn’t the best it could be. George worked on Careless Whisper and the rest is history. George was smart enough to realize by producing his own music and writing his own songs would give him the edge over the other popular bands to keep him in the game for a long period of time.

GMs music - the emotional content and style spoke to women more than men. That is why the majority of his fans are women. Many of them chose to ignore he is gay or even like to fantasize he was something else and like to ignore what he called himself "a dirty, filthy f*cker" because they are uncomfortable with it. The reality of the man called George Michael and the fantasy image some of these fans have is very interesting

^ Well that's what a fantasy is...wanting someone you cannot have.

Thinking of it now, I don't know any straight man that is a GM fan. Prince that is more feminine has a lot of male fans. It all comes down to sexuality.

R98 Not to burst your bubble, however, I know of several straight men that were Wham! and George Michael fans.

R98 - I also know dozens of straight men who are GM / WHAM fans - go figure.

I know straight men who are George Michael fans

R96 Many of them chose to ignore he is gay or even like to fantasize he was something else and like to ignore what he called himself "a dirty, filthy f*cker" because they are uncomfortable with it.

those who had problem with George's sexuality moved on to other singers when he was outed

I don't know many hardcore fans of anybody's music male or female. I guess I don't hang around those types. I do know lots of people of both genders who liked particular songs of GM. I mean he did sell about a hundred million albums worldwide. I also know straight males who went to his later concerts when he came to the states.

George Michael’s Sexuality Was … Complicated

I listen to today’s performers and often think how lucky a lot of us were to live through the Wham! Days and George’s solo career. His voice was incredible live and his live performances sounded like a recording. I recently listened to a couple of Charlie Puth’s songs and was surprised to learn he is a songwriter, record producer, musician and a singer. He isn’t George Michael but he is one of the few out there that actually has talent. I’m sure the ladies do not put him in the same category as George for looks. In George’s prime there weren’t too many that could walk a mile in his shoes.

I dislike Charlie Puth. His music is beyond awful IMHO

i guess most of you who are his gay fans might know a few straight guys who are a gm and wham fan but i have never met one. i know a lot of prince fans who are straight men. it is very interesting if you think about it. i think it has to do with the fact that George was very much out and he practically disappeared from the music scene in the states. frau 104 needs to stop with the George might be bi stories. George was a proud gay man and leave it at that, instead of digging for clues.

[quote] i know a lot of prince fans who are straight men

Because Prince was not out

R107 It's a discussion thread don't like it leave

109. why are you so defensive. i guess i hit a nerve by calling you out. We George fans that accepted him as a gay man want you to stop digging for bisexual clues. you did not create this thread so you have no right to state anyone to leave lovelies.

You don't own DL it's a discussion thread and everyone has the right to have his own opinion don't like it leave

111. you sound like one of those pathetic lovelies that keep trolling this thread. i never stated i own dl. stop repeating yourself idiot.

Why are some ppl on this thread so miserable? Perhaps there should be a general discussion thread and one for the trolling folks. By the wY what determines if you are trolling or a lovelie?

Drug-overdose suicides may be going undetected

[114] the Reuters article is referring to cases here there are drug overdoses not being classified as suicide. If there had been an overdose deliberate or accidental there would have been an inquest. There wasn't.

why did it take so long for the coroner to release the autopsy. i think there was probably a cover up of how he died. i always had this suspicious feeling that it was probably suicide.

Overdose, intentional or not. Also lots of straight male fans all over Europe. Still. He's a European treasure.

R117 George Michael was definitely a European treasure. Unfortunately due to living in the states we lost the opportunity to experience George’s music after the Sony ordeal. It didn’t take us long to catch up with George’s music. Straight or gay George appealed to all.

i notice Europeans seem to make up a large percent of his fan base since the nineties. most of the lovelies are Europeans and insufferable. i didn't even remember him until he died and i live in the states. it is like i rediscovered his music. i have never met a straight male gm fan but i have noticed quiet a few straight female fans here in the u.s.

R119 I agree with you. On Christmas Day when I heard George Michael passed away I was surprised. I always thought of Wham! during the holidays because of their classic song ‘Last Christmas’. Since his death I know own all of his music available to the public to purchase.

I also have spent time on YouTube listening to his music. Also, I have read comment after comment. There are as many men commenting on George’s music and interviews as women. His fans were truly devoted to him due to his incredible talent.

Ray Cooper, Former Virgin Records America Co-Head, Dies at 69

He worked closely with Spice Girls, U2, [bold]George Michael[/bold] & More at Virgin and Island

This a cappella cover of George Michael's 'Faith' is awesome - video

R122 Nicely down. Pitch Perfect 3 does a nice cover of Freedom. It seems the best covers of a George Michael song is down best by a group performing the song opposed to one person trying to cover one of his songs.

It’s nice to see the younger generation helping to keep George’s music relevant.

George Michael and his fans.

George Michael

Dark Demons: George Michael Tormented By Fear He May Have Given Female Lovers AIDS

Before his sudden death, music icon George Michael Opens a New Window. was tormented by the fear he may have given AIDS to his string of female lovers.

In a newly-resurfaced interview with GQ, the singer says he used to sleep with many women before meeting his first serious boyfriend, Anselmo Feleppa. As soon as Feleppa was diagnosed with AIDS, however, Michael stopped bedding females, fearing he would spread the killer virus.

“I used to sleep with women quite a lot Opens a New Window. in the Wham! Days but never felt it could develop into a relationship because I was a gay man,” says Michael in the interview. At one point, he even told reporters that he wished he’d slept with Madonna before fully immersing himself in the gay lifestyle Opens a New Window. .

“I decided I had to stop, which I did when I began to worry about AIDS. I didn’t want to sleep with a woman without telling her I was bisexual,” he continues.

As RadarOnline.com readers know, Kathy Yueng, one of the legend’s most famous girlfriends who also appeared in his video for “I Want Your Sex,” previously told reporters that she knew the singer was bisexual.

George was no fool. He interspersed his interviews with the "sleeping with women" line to keep his female fan base. I would be surprised if he ever slept with even one woman. KY was a classic beard although she was in love with him.

I don't know why some people have a hard time expecting that this man slept with women. He did so in his past and felt guilty about it. That does not take away from him being gay.

bullshit. whoever his posting George slept with women stories need to stop. stop trolling this page with your bi tabloid stories and stop fishing for evidence OK lovelies. his frau fans are the worst. it quiet homophobic of you.

I see why this man was depress. Just look at these posts.

I don't give a damn about not being a “gold star” gay

Billboard's The Hot 100's Top Artists of All Time

George is 47

47 is not as good because I am sure Beyonce and Adele is higher.

Rihanna is higher gm is ridiculous. Who came up with this list. It reads like the most hyped artist of all time not the most talented.

So after he finds out he's been left NADA in G's will, FF comes up with this reprehensible garbage... Isn't there some way he can be shut down and shut up? Apparently he tweeted this:

[quote]"Your power proved to me you could turn friends, family and strangers into liars, cowards and very much inhuman and yet this mega power can't make or keep someone KIND or LOVING...And I cannot wait to prove that to you. With all my hate."

I mean, if this low life felt this way, why the hell didn't he take a hike a long time ago?

"Billboard " on the 60th anniversary of the Billboard Hot 100 was rated "The top 60 male artists of all-time "George Michael ranked 18th. I think he should have been listed in the top 10 over Drake.

60. The Weeknd 59. T.I. 58. Rick Springfield 57. Glen Campbell 56. Johnny Rivers 55. Eric Clapton 53. Ed Sheeran 52. Bobby Brown 51. Lil Wayne 50. Michael Bolton 49. Brook Benton 48. John Lennon 47. Tommy James 46. Billy Ocean 45. Dion 44. Roy Orbison 43. Andy Gibb 42. Flo Rida 41. 50 Cent 40. John Denver 39. Bruce Springsteen 38. Justin Bieber 37. Neil Sedaka 36. Bob Seger 35. JAY-Z 34. Kanye West 33. Richard Marx 32. Eminem 31. James Brown 30. R. Kelly 29. Bobby Darin 28. Nelly 27. Barry Manilow 26. Paul Anka 25. Justin Timberlake 24. Ricky Nelson 23. Chris Brown 22. Ray Charles 21. Chubby Checker 20. John Mellencamp 19. Bobby Vinton 18. George Michael 17. Bryan Adams 16. Kenny Rogers 15. Neil Diamond 14. Bruno Mars 13. Lionel Richie 12. Billy Joel 11. Phil Collins 10. Marvin Gaye 9. Drake 8. Rod Stewart 7. Prince 6. Usher 5. Paul McCartney 4. Michael Jackson 3. Stevie Wonder 2. Elvis Presley 1. Elton John

"Billboard " on the 60th anniversary of the Billboard Hot 100 was rated "The top 60 male artists of all-time "George Michael ranked 18th. I think he should have been listed in the top 10 over Drake. 55. Eric Clapton

53. Ed Sheeran

52. Bobby Brown

51. Lil Wayne

50. Michael Bolton

48. John Lennon

46. Billy Ocean

45. Dion

44. Roy Orbison

43. Andy Gibb

42. Flo Rida

41. 50 Cent

40. John Denver

39. Bruce Springsteen

38. Justin Bieber

37. Neil Sedaka

36. Bob Seger

35. JAY-Z

34. Kanye West

33. Richard Marx

32. Eminem

31. James Brown

30. R. Kelly

29. Bobby Darin

28. Nelly

27. Barry Manilow

26. Paul Anka

25. Justin Timberlake (rank too high)

24. Ricky Nelson

23. Chris Brown (no commitment)

22. Ray Charles

21. Chubby Checker ( should have been in the RRHF)

20. John Mellencamp

19. Bobby Vinton

18. George Michael ( should be list in the top 10)

17. Bryan Adams

16. Kenny Rogers

15. Neil Diamond

14. Bruno Mars

13. Lionel Richie ( should have been listed in the number five spot)

12. Billy Joel

11. Phil Collins

10. Marvin Gaye

9. Drake

8. Rod Stewart

7. Prince

6. Usher

5. Paul McCartney (list have listed at number three)

4. Michael Jackson

3. Stevie Wonder ( should have list at number two place).

2. Elvis Presley (should be number six).

1. Elton John

Artists like Stevie Wonder, Prince and Bowie are more influential than say someone like Elvis, Madonna (I know she has writing credits but just don't think they're real) or Whitney Houston

Stevie Wonder, Prince, Bowie write and produce their own music but someone like Elvis or Whitney they only present the product they no offence but they are all interchangeable

and Michael Jackson was a thief and stole a lot from other artists without giving any credit like Madonna his writing credits are questionable to me anyway in later albums he used lots of co-writers

George should have been in top 10 IMO

Bowie did not make the list which is shocking given the fact many artist site him as a musical influence. However, people like Ed Sheeran, Justin Timberlake, Drake and Bruno Mars made this list is laughable. Call me in twenty years and see if anyone remembers them.

Seriously Drake's music is just trash and his voice is just the worst

Justin Timberlake sings like a cat

Katy Perry is on their list LOL

Bruno Mars? Ed Sheeran? Drake? WTF!?

George Michael’s boyfriend??? tweets ‘I hate you’ after being left out of will

George Michael‘s paid escort Fadi Fawaz tweeted “George I hate you” in several rambling social media posts.

The tweet came after it was revealed the late superstar left nothing to Fadi in his will.

Moments after his first tweet, he appeared to repeat claims that George had killed himself.

The post read: “How can I be disappointed with someone ended their own life.

“If anyone can do that to themself (sic), they can do worse things to others.”

The rant follows emails seen by The Sun in which Fadi said George killed himself, adding: “It took five attempts.”

Fadi continued his rant with another cryptic post which read: “Your power proved to me you could make a Town not react to loud noise at odd hours.

“Your power proved to me you could turn friends, family and strangers into liars, cowards and very much inhuman and yet this mega power can’t make or keep someone KIND or LOVING.

“And I cannot wait to prove that to you. With all my hate.”

I believe their record company paid for them to be on this list.

George Michael, Stevie Wonder, Elton John, David Bowie and Prince were and are in a league of their own. Even if you were not a fan of their gift of music you had to respect them for their musical talent. Actually each one was musically a genius in their own right. Today’s talent can’t hold a candle to their abilities. In my book George Michael doesn’t get the credit he so derserves for his vocal skills, song writing, producer and someone that could cover a song better than the original artist.

George actually placed higher than Bruce Springsteen. That possibly might have surprised George. He thought highly of Bruce.

‘My Mother Had A Brother’ written and performed by George Michael is a perfect example of a song that was simply amazing. How many artists sound like this rehearsing a song?

Perhaps George Michael is getting the recognition he so deserves.

The Billboard list is ranking artists based on their performance on the Hot 100 and other Billboard charts, not necessarily on the quality of their work or artistic value.

And given that it's a commercial ranking, it's impressive George even made it on the list, given that he only had one chart focused album.

R149 [quote]How many artists sound like this rehearsing a song?

My God he was so fecking talented.... almost impossible to comprehend. Thanks for posting that clip. I've not seen this before but it confirms that George was in a league of his own. God Damn, he should still be here.

Dance remix of Careless Whisper.

R150 great article

Robbie Williams dedication to George Michael.

Back Story to ‘I Can’t Make You Love Me’ by Bonnie Raitt

Teardrop by Massive Attack was one of George's favorite songs

the song is about being in love with someone who cannot hear it, due to death.

So many look alike tribute acts have popped up. Surprised people will pay money to watch GM lookalikes performing.

Classiest of the classy performers. GM has fans who will always remember him and carry him in their hearts. A man who had so much going for him pressed the self-destruct button in his life. But none of us know what it was to walk in his shoes and what inner demons he fought. Time to let go of all the speculation of his mental issues, cause of death and all the unsavory stuff. Remember the man and his music. Love You George

R160 I agree with you 100%. Once FF becomes irrelevant and disappears into the sunset the focus should be on George Michael ALONE and his musical accomplishments. His fans are well aware of how special and talented he was.

George Michael - Spinning The Wheel (Forthright Mix)

The video is awesome.

R162 Spinning the Wheel is such an underrated gem. What lyrics, music, video. And if only George had taken to heart what he was saying in that song in real life things might have been different

George’s ability to write songs that are unforgettable was truly a gift. It’s hard to believe he didn’t finish his education when you analyze his music. He definitely had genius qualities. The songs on Patience and Older are not your run of the mill songs. The lyrics are more meaningful today than they were when he released the albums. The lyrics to Freedom tell his entire life story in many ways. Freedom is really a masterpiece like so many of his songs.

George is quoted saying he knew he would be a star and he would die young but that was ok because he lived a wonderful life. It might have been ok for him but not his fans.

When he released Faith it put him on the charts in more ways than having number one songs. Imagine had he not gotten into his legal dilemma with his record company the possibilities of the career he may have had. His career span was incredible for an artist that only produce the number of albums he did. He stayed relevant for a long time musically and I’m not referring to his private life in anyway.

Oh what could have been ...

Let’s all say a little prayer for Aretha ❤️

George loved working with Aretha Franklin: "Nobody can emulate Aretha Franklin. It's stupid to try. I just tried to stay in character, keep it simple - it was very understated in comparison to what she did."

Aretha loved working with George

"The first time I heard George was with Wham! and I liked it then," she told Entertainment Weekly in 2017.

"He had a very unique sound, very different from anything that was out there. When Clive [Davis] suggested we get together for 'I Knew You Were Waiting,' I was all ready. It reminded me of Jerry Wexler. We'd go in the studio and cut songs. If we were happy with what we recorded, Jerry would say, 'Let's wait until tomorrow. If we feel the same way that we do now, maybe we have a hit.'

"'I Knew You Were Waiting' had that. Musically, it does not grow old."

On the video, she added, "We had a super time. He was calling most of the shots: how he wanted this, how he wanted that. My older sister, Erma, just fell for him right away. He was very friendly and personable, easy to talk to."

He also praised producer Narada Michael Walden for being "brilliant" at getting a great atmosphere captured in the studio.

He admitted to being nervous, but knew there was no point in trying to copy Aretha. "Nobody can emulate Aretha Franklin," he said. "It's stupid to try. I just tried to stay in character, keep it simple - it was very understated in comparison to what she did."

He also revealed that Aretha brought with her "a big rack of ribs" to the studio.

George had only not produced one song before this, as part of Band Aid for 'Do They Know it's Christmas'. He was so used to self-producing his music that he had a difficult time knowing when to stop singing. Walden later explained: "He looked at me with those innocent virgin eyes, like he'd never been told, 'you oughta stop, kid.'"

Innocent virgin eyes our George had. Just wish they stayed that way.

Danny John-Jules was in a classic Wham! video with George Michael

The actor is one of the latest stars to have signed up for Strictly Come Dancing in 2018, and there's a good reason for that. The 57-year-old worked as a dancer for several years before finding fame as The Cat in sci-fi sitcom Red Dwarf in 1988.

Before then, one of his first gigs was as a dancer in the music video for Wham!'s 'The Edge of Heaven'.

R169 [quote]Innocent virgin eyes our George had. Just wish they stayed that way.

In many ways I think there was still a lot of innocence left in George - I'm not referring to anything of a physical nature - but to the spiritual and emotional side of him. You can see it in many of the Symphonica concerts on Youtube.

You started out as a dancer and a choreographer. How did you move from that into acting?

The music video scene in the early ’90s was a very viable way to start your career in whatever. So, me being a [bold]background dancer, I was already in that world. I was lucky to work with George Michael and Madonna in their music videos.[/bold] I was on the George Michael set, and Marcus Nispel, the director, was screaming, “Emote, Michael! Give me pain! Emote!” All I could think was, “What the fuck does ’emote’ mean?” I’d never heard the word before. And I figured it out; you know, Wait a minute, Michael, that was acting. You were acting! So I took ‘model’ off my resume and replaced it with the word ‘actor.’ I was a dancer/choreographer/actor. Shortly thereafter, I got a call that Martin Scorsese wanted to meet me, and he cast me in a role in his movie called Bringing Out the Dead, with Nicolas Cage in New York City—that was in 1997, I think. That was the day I hung my dancer’s shoes up, and I focused on my acting.

From studs to matt platinum hoops to [bold]George Michael tribute crosses[/bold], earrings are the boys' toys of the moment.

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I Want Your Sex (Freemasons Club Mix)

I am wondering why GM's genuine friends and his musical team are so reluctant when it comes to talking about GM. Is it too soon? The constant FF shit was depressing. Wish there was something positive that would distract from the shit stain that is FF. Going through G's songs I rediscovered some of his earlier gems. Things like Battlestations for instance. I found this song so embarrassing for years and years. Maybe it's the storyline that makes it so interesting now. . Have the feeling that Battlestations, Hard Day, Father Figure and I want your sex were written for the same person and it's interesting how G saw a situation from different perspectives. The kind of obsession and desire for one particular person that you can hear in all these songs was probably more exciting than the actual relationship itself, but it's an interesting rollercoaster of feelings. I can't think of any other artist who really went into so much detail in his songs about relationships and who revisited one relationship over a number of years, with all it's ups and downs. Unfortunately he was the only one who occasionally revealed what some songs were about and that's when you could really see how much effort he put into the lyrics and how autobiographical everything was. Even the Wham songs were full of innoendoes that people never were fully aware of.

R176 The words to Freedom practically tell his entire life. Freedom is in a class of its own. I never realized it until after his passing. In fact, when I listen to his music now I realize how good the Wham! songs really were. They were not all bubble gum as I thought when I was younger. ‘Wake Me Up Before You Go Go’ musically is complex. He knew exactly when to add his oohs and ahhs. He made his songs 100% George Michael style. I believe that is why no one person can cover one of his songs unless it’s with a group of performers. George had a real way with words. Elton John and Mark Ronson saw George for the talent that he was. I’m sure there were others.

Make It Big is such a great album

Music from the Edge of Heaven is great. I love all the track in Edge of Heaven except Wham! Rap.

Hot Side:

1. The Edge of Heaven - 2. Battlestations - 3. I'm Your Man - 4. Wham! Rap '86

Cool Side:

5.tA Different Corner - 6. Blue (live in China) - 7. Where Did Your Heart Go? - 8. Last Christmas

"Where Did Your Heart Go?" was covered by the British pop duo Wham! on 14 October 1986 as one of the three B-sides to "The Edge of Heaven" in the UK, where it reached number 1. The song was also released separately as Wham!'s final single in several territories most notably in the US where it peaked at number 50 on the Billboard Hot 100 in November 1986. It was produced and re-arranged by George Michael with engineering by Chris Porter. "Where Did Your Heart Go?" was also included on The Final and Music from the Edge of Heaven albums.

Arrangement

George Michael's arrangement of "Where Did Your Heart Go?" is relatively faithful to the original Was (Not Was) version making only subtle changes to the song's instrumentation and structure. Michael alters the song by dropping the opening chorus in favour of an instrumental introduction of the chorus melody. The subdued ending is protracted in the Wham! recording, where the Was (Not Was) original quickly fades out after the completion of the final chorus; Michael's arrangement continues for an additional half a minute.

Wham!'s recording of "Where Did Your Heart Go?", while structurally similar to the Was (Not Was) original, leans toward to a soft rock ballad due to changes to the tempo and vocal inflection. Michael's arrangement is more spare and reliant on synthesizers and saxophone to convey the melody. Michael's vocals are less immersed in the backing arrangement in which the bass guitar and drums are markedly quieter in the mix. His vocal is more low-key than Sweet Pea Atkinson's, except for the final line of the third verse, "and drifted out of sight", which is accentuated.

Tom Hardy

Height: 5′ 9″

Cillian Murphy

Tilda Swinton

I listened to Was (Not Was) original. To me, it sounds as if they were covering a George Michael song. George rearranged ‘Careless Whisper’ the exact same way. He had an ear for music. I have to say there are not many that have a voice like George.

sorry wrong thread

R177 George was a musical genius and knew pretty much from the get go what he needed for a song to work. Plus he was searingly intelligent and emotional. And then there's that voice.... capable of such passion and precision without ever sacrificing the true soul. I have to admit I'm only beginning to really appreciate the WHAM songs in the past year. Shame on me.

And lest we forget - no one can imitate George - not now, not ever. “George Michael was the best male vocalist of his generation”

[quote]George Michael only ever sounded like himself No one else could stand up anywhere, anytime, and sing anything – – and sing it brilliantly and always in his inimitable style — in the way George Michael could. Watching him sing that Beatles song on Youtube, or perhaps it was was some other live performance, I remember my astonished Italian boyfriend of the time- a semi-professional singer- trying to articulate just how extraordinary George’s pitch, breath control, phrasing and timbre were.

This thread has stale due to the lovelies discussing how much they love George for the 100th time. I am a fan myself but this is ridiculous we don't need some of you to remind us how amazing he was as a performer. We know, some of you don't have to keep stating it over and over again. Let's not keep it boring.

[R188] This discussion is about the love fans have for George. There are over twelve discussion about George Michaels' rumors and hatred form him. You are free to visit any of those discussion's.

188 that is why this thread has slow participation from other posters. You guys have made it dull and predictable. The comments should have surpass 250 by now but, since most of you keep reposting the same gushing comments it gets boring.

Those who miss and complain there is not enough bitching and gossiping here and that people praise his music. What's your problem really? Go to the FF threads for all the rumours, the hate you have for GM. Share it there with all the other bitches whose vocabulary only consists of fraus, deranged lovelies and middle-aged women.

Interesting read concerning George Michael and Ricky Martin.

R191 Thank you.

RIP Aretha Franklin 🙏. A wonderful lady with a truly amazing voice!

The heavens have opened the gates of heaven for the Queen of Soul today. I’m sure George is smiling today. He was so honored to sing a duet with Aretha.

R192 - Interesting article. I agree with the writer, “Faith” - “The granddaddy of blue-eyed soul-pop discs” has not only aged remarkably well, it is still entirely relevant. What annoys me are the critics who blasted GM for evolving and embracing his artistry on his own terms, for changing, as every human has a right to do: [quote]“Unlike the ever-glummer George Michael…”

I mean, really? Everyone wanted George to stay the same, to remain that buoyant, super-charged sex object that raked in the cash. The problem [for narrow-minded critics] is George transformed and went through some very turbulent times and as a result, he evolved. G was an exceptionally creative and intelligent person who – unlike most artists - drew on his personal truth to create music.

R.I.P TO Ms. Franklin

#TributeTuesday - our icon of the day is George Michael.

In the 90s, he turned negative headlines into a chance to make a positive statement about being a proud gay man. He was an extraordinary philanthropist, a LGBT+ rights campaigner & a vocal advocate of HIV/AIDS research.

Mixed reaction to another party for George Michael

RESIDENTS of Goring are to be asked whether they would support another summer party in memory of George Michael being held in the village.

Watch an amazing a cappella choir sing George Michael's 'Faith'

Watch Tim McGraw, Faith Hill Cover Aretha Franklin, George Michael Duet in Concert

191 you told on yourself since you must be one of those lovelies. You are a dumbass if you think some people want to read your gushing George comments recycled over and over again for the 100th time. We are not haters and are as much a fan as you are but we don't want to read your repetitive dribble. You have stalled an interesting thread with your constant posting of pictures and tabloid stories. You have made this thread really boring with your highjacked dull pictures like we need to be reminded over and over again, how amazing George was as an artist.

202 seek help! Get a life!

R202 Please advise as to what you would like to discuss on this George Michael General Discussion thread. Obviously it isn’t how amazing George was as an artist.

Aretha on Whitney, George and more

Look who’s front & center of the Welcome Committee

Looks like the Aretha and George are a take off from “Shoot The Dog”.

This is very sweat.

Whitney and George

George Michael’s experience working along with Thierry Mugler.

Wikipedia have a page decanted to Pop Icons and the list was agreeable in my option. So then I followed a link to England's list of cultural icons. Who are these people that are listed as popular musical entertainers

Popular musical entertainers

Gracie Fields (1898–1979) t George Formby (1904–1961) t Jack Hylton (1892–1965). t Vera Lynn (b. 1917). t Anthony Newley (1931–1999).

Rock & Pop t The Beatles t Marc Bolan (1947–1977) and T-Rex t David Bowie (1947–2016) t The Kinks t Led Zeppelin t Pink Floyd and Syd Barrett (1946–2006) t Queen[199] t The Rolling Stones t Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band t Sex Pistols t The Who t Morrissey

How is it that Morrissey and a fictional band, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. Be listed as Pop Icons, but George Michael is not. The man was the most played singer on British radio over the past 20 years. and he had countless number one albums over there as well. So how is it that Britain never acknowledge him. George also is not induction in the UK Music Hall of Fame

That is why some of you need to stop fishing for articles that praise George. Stop been obsessed with posting endless pictures and articles. Find a productive hobby.

R212 I couldn't agree more. I tried to get some discussion going about the events of 1986 along with the breakup of Wham!, but was quickly supplanted by women posting the same Advocate interview and more fawning.

R213. What events of 1986 are you talking about?

214. Stop pretending you want to discuss those stories. Since all you do is post endless pictures and recycled articles for the 100th time. A once interesting thread have been stalled by lovelies with their boring drivels.

23 new Prince titles will be released by Sony and the Prince Estate... So where is the music George left? Industry execs claim to have heard tracks George had completed - and they are supposed to be sensational. Is everyone lying? Apparently G was in the studio working on new songs during the Symphonica tour and right up until his death...

[quote]"...the Prince Estate and Sony Music Entertainment have blessed us by expanding that selection with 23 new titles and Prince Anthology: 1995-2010. The anthology, curated by the estate, includes a selection of 37 essential songs from the era..."

How did the "Prince estate" - which was reportedly in a state of disarray - manage to pull this together while we're still waiting for anything from GM?

R216 Any music/video releases from GM's estate are pretty much the sole department of David Austin. As I recall, when asked if there were any plans to release George's unreleased work, Austin gave some sort of mealy mouthed answer about it not being up to GM's standard and the like. He also said something about Cover To Cover tour concerts being recorded and just sitting in the vault.... but no plans to release any of it, of course.

The good thing with Prince's estate is that none of the heirs really give a shit about standards or quality - they want to see the material out there and released so it can turn a profit. I would much rather have that than David Austin's lame ass sitting on all of GM's work until all of his fans are dead.

Maybe his family blocked the new music release?

There is no new music. Move on lovelies. It does not seem like he was in the best of health to be working on new music.

214- What is so exciting about your constant whine fest? What a miserable troll you are, going from one GM related thread to the other, complaing that everyone here and there is a boring GM stan. You want to change the direction of the discussion? Then do that! You must be the most boring little bitch at every party. X

The above post was meant for troll 215

I am not the boring bitch posting ten million pictures with recycled articles. So who is the boring bitch that really needs a hobby.

222-the boring bitch is the one complaining about things absolutely no one cares about, as this is a random forum where anyone can post and block any random "spamer". Just block the "boring bitch" that posts recent news on GM and you will lose your purpose in life.

[R217] "The good thing with Prince's estate is that none of the heirs really give a shit about standards or quality' for the win. This make me laugh out in this office. LOL

223. Lose purpose in life for visiting a g m forum. You are really stupid. I am not the one obsessively posting pictures so who will really lose purpose in life. Idiot.

223- then block me and you will see that it's not me posting pix or articles. You are obsessed with complaing and want to dictate what people post on a public forum. And in case you have not noticed but it's a general discussion thread about GM and you complain that other people post their opinions on GM here. Can't stand fans "gushing" over GM? Cause that's something you bitch about over and over. What's your problem? You expect a discussion about what then? If GM bores you so much, then why are you here? Because you are a miserable troll. That's why. Now whine a bit more.

Prince did not release anything that was his usual standard after the mid nineties. Does not matter, until then he already had a great body of work. So anything that will be released now won't be much to look forward to. I guess the estate and Sony think his death might give the sales a push now. I don't really think so. The live performances on the other hand are a completely different matter. Would love to see some high quality footage of his performances. As far as GM is concerned. I can't really see a release of new material happening. Not because of GM's objection( he did not have a say in the Fantasy re-release and it was DA's decision) but because there does not seem to be a professional team in charge. DA gave an interview to the music week, like there was a big master plan to introduce GM's music to a new audience and mix it with some live recordings. Well, nothing is happening. Fadi Fuckface is in charge of things related to GM. For whatever reason. He is nothing, he's got a ton of skeletons in the closet, yet he's free to shit on GM.

When Freddie Mercury died, there was a lot of tension between Mary Austin, Jim Hutton( his last partner) a few friends and the remaining members of Queen. After a few years things calmed down, Freddie's family was quite active in remembering Freddie publicly and Jim Hutton was not the "vilain" despite releasing a book(which was a rather sensitive tribute to Freddie, coming from someone who obviously loved him). Mary Austin is a persona non grata among Queen fans and especially Brian May was pissed off with her. I see a few similarities with GM's situation here. But in the end the remaining Queen members did an excellent job keeping the brand and in the end Freddie alive. They were in charge of things and when it came to the bio pic they cared much about a respectful portayal of Freddie. They sacked Sasha Baron Cohen and I think this was a good decision. They were on good terms with the Bulsara family as it seems. But there was a lot of trouble behind the scenes.

George's team is still running things as if he is still living. New flash, George is dead and the family need to hire new eyes. There is an new interest in George's music especial since Aretha Franklin's passing. If the family/David had a better roll out plan for George's music Faith could have enter into the best selling albums of all time. They are dropping the ball on that Freedom Project that was to happen in 2017.

The family does not want to deal with G's legacy as an artist. Isn't that obvious? It's their right, yet still strange. Most heirs want to preserve and share the intellectual property of an artist with the world( for whatever reasons). Maybe it's too early, maybe it's the whore shit(FF). It did seem that Jack was interested in more visibility but maybe he is too weak now and he's not in charge of the musical part. He's still director of George's company George Michael Music and his horse breeding farm is still in business(George was director as well). David Austin always came across as a weak hanger on. He did not have a career of his own. He relied on GM and always came across as a strange creep. The question is, why is he part of the Panayiotou family now and in charge of the business decisions. Why does he call himself Manager and GM's co-writer? Every statement by them is signed by his sisters, his father and David. It seems to be a personal decision by them, not a reasonable. If he had any talent(wasn't this what he told GM when they were young?), he would have made it. He did not and is now in charge of GM's projects. Oh dear. We see the results.

Based on the Q&A DA gave after a screening of the directors cut of Freedom I believe there is plenty to come, but just not yet. I don’t believe there is any rush (when has there ever been) and certainly not while the estate is being dealt with.

DA has previously mentioned a re-release of Older, which would no doubt feature a load of unreleased stuff, and a DVD of Symphonica. There is also some completed but unreleased music, one track which is meant to be “stunning”. Doesn’t sound like an album’s worth tho.

In terms of the stuff thats unconfirmed... There was always talk of a completed and fully mixed album - who knows if that’s true or not. We know there are proper recordings of the Faith and C2C tours. There’s a studio recording and video of Where I Hope You Are. Every Other Lover is bound to have a radio edit seeing as it was remixed by so many DJs.

In the end who knows if all of this stuff will ever see the light of day, but I genuinely believe some of it will. The family have left the musical side of things to DA and I think the record companies will have great interest in getting as much of this out into the public domain as they possibly can, and I think DA likes the idea of being the one to call the shots with all of this.

We don’t know what GM and DA agreed prior to his death either. George knew he was ill and his condition would inevitably lead to his death (just not so soon), so perhaps any future output was already planned in great detail anyway, particularly if his singing voice was gone. Who knows? The only curveball being George’s sudden death and all this crap and with Fadi and the negative media attention.

[R230] and [R231] Thanks for the insight, but its crazy how the family are doing things. I just wish that the Wham! materials were in Andrew's control. That why the Wham! fans can final get the last concert from the group.

226 you are gushing over gm like someone who has nothing productive to do with his or her life. Get a meaningful hobby.

Elton John and George Michael chosen to "wake up" the Opportunity robot on Mars

NASA has lost contact with one of its probes sent to the red planet. With humor, his engineers will try to revive him thanks to a special playlist in which we find titles like Wake Me up Wham! I will survive Gloria Gaynor or Life on Mars? David Bowie.

While waiting for the Martian weather to calm down, the American scientists, as optimistic as they are facetious, decided to spend every day songs (more or me) hectic ... to try to "wake up" the robot. While waiting for a total miracle, a clock is already functioning. A first glimmer of hope before a definitive resurrection of Opportunity.

Space com has compiled the music chosen by NASA

Unlike Prince, there are no vaults filled with unreleased music as far as GM is concerned. His addictions slowed him down for many, many years. Also he struggled with writing and in general a lack of creative output since the early 2000s. Maybe this was the reason that he fell deeper and deeper into the hedonistic lifestyle to escape from his frustrations with work. It took him 5 years to make Patience and he said he almost gave up making the album several times. GM had a real problem working consistently and releasing material since 1996. He need outside help with writing and producing. but being the stubborn guy he was, he never took it except sporadically like Jon Douglas for some songs on the Patience album.

For years GM spoke about the dance album but it never came out. The unreleased songs are the Where I Hope You Are song for which he made a video also and 4-5 songs he recorded with Paul Mac & co in Australia. The songs that he played to Jonathan Ross & Simon Cowell and later to Rob Kahane in the first week of December 2016 were demo tracks. GM himself said what he played for Ross were demo tracks. They were in no way completed or full tracks at all.

The Trojan Souls stuff was 50% complete and he abandoned it and he said he thought the work he did during the Sony legal battle was substandard. So the only things that can be released could be about 4-5 songs recorded with Mac, maybe they can release a remastered version of Older and DVDs for the Faith and C2C concerts

Fantasy release was a damp squib, Even if they release the 5 songs, it might find some purchase among loyal GM fans but not a wide audience. The FAITH and C2C DVDs if released will be bought by long time GM fans who have always wanted this.

For many, many yrs GM struggled with work and had minimal output. So there are a few items max to be released. During the Redline interview when GM said he was lexcited about new projects, think he was referring to the movie based on "Last Christmas".

David Austin is a one man team who is in-charge of this. I do not trust the man's judgement or his efficiency. He is trying to stay relevant and get paid by the sisters as long as possible. So he will drag this whole thing for yrs and maybe we wont even be around by the time he gets to doing anything, I have no hope of any great new releases and there is nothing much to be released either. I would love to buy a DVD on the FAITH tour and C2C for sure

[R236] I believe that the family see David as family. George and David have known each other since they were six months, In the Up Close and Personal interview after George got out of jail. He spoke of writing some songs and had this new least on life. He sounded really happy in the interview, but I think his depression got the better of him. I do believe that there are a few song from his later years, but the buck of the new music maybe from the Wham/Faith years. During that time George was a workaholic by his own admission.

I think in later years the drugs began to cloud his writing abilities and he began to resent his younger self. Because in some interviews he would talk very bad about most of his hit songs and himself during that time frame. I always thought that was strange for a person to diminish his legacy. Its as if he wanted to be forgotten then latter on change his mind but it was to late because he was so ill.

R236 Most of his unreleased material would be from the early to mid 90s. A lot of the songs that would have comprised Listen Without Prejudice Vol. 2 have leaked in some form or another, usually in poor quality. Once George knew LWP 2 wasn't happening he sort of retooled those songs (we're talking stuff like Disco, Day and Night, So Damn Hard, etc.) into Extended Plaything (what I imagine was the working title for a Dance oriented album). He seemingly scrapped that, though some of the more skeletal demos from that project would influence Older, and moved on to the more widely known Trojan Souls.

His 2012 Gay House album (his words) was virtually completed according to David Austin, but was shelved as you mentioned. I can't imagine it was that great, but it would be rather interesting to hear.

Overall George Michael's vault isn't terribly interesting, and I do think videotaped live performances are the centerpiece, but there is some unheard music there. The good thing in theory is that David Austin was there when most of it was being recorded, so he would have context for how it should be released. That isn't true for a lot of Estate heads of various musicians.

If the fully mixed album was indeed the dance album of legend, then perhaps it was shelved because GM’s life from 2013 onwards prevented its release from ever being an option. He went to Australia for a short stint in rehab at the start of 2013. A few months later he fell out of a moving car on the M1. On his release from hospital he went into hiding, only pictured sporadically. Seemed to have further “health issues” in December of that year when an ambulance was called to his house and then again the following May. Missed the Symphonica launch party and then at some point in the following months/year went to a rehab facility in Zurich for a year. Somewhere in between all of this he was diagnosed with a life threatening chronic heart condition that would inevitably lead to his death a year or so later.

And that’s just the stuff we know about.

R239 Just curious ... How do we know he was "diagnosed with a life threatening chronic heart condition...?" Though this sounds possilbe, evidence leads me to suspect that his death was the result of the Pneumonia, coma, and sepsis he suffered during the Symphonica tour. This can cause long term complications and I guess a heart condition can result but I wasn't aware that an actual diagnosis was made....

R240 He died of heart failure, so it would stand to reason that some sort of heart condition was to blame.

But yeah R239 I don't think he was really keen on promoting new music or himself at that point. The interview with Andrew where he said that after seeing him for the final time in 2013, he came to the conclusion that "he wasn't a well man". I think that says it all, really.

R241 - Thanks.... Guess I'm grasping for meaning in the midst of chaos.... Seems G was in great shape during the the last leg of the Symphonica tour - after the Pneumonia. Touring is friggin difficult so he'd need to be tip top to get through that...it's sort of baffling how quickly he fell apart - and sad.

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Asa Cannell, of Norwich, was playing Akinator game on his Amazon Echo device

It made comments about singer George Michael, who came out as gay in 1998

Game allows players to ask Alexa 20 questions and she has to guess celebrity

Amazon said today the 'error' had been fixed by game's developers Elokence

[R240] he died of natural causes relating to heart and liver disease, one of these diseases was dilated cardiomyopathy which is a chronic heart condition. Given the abnormal looking weight gain (particularly the bloated “moon face”) in any photos from 2014 onwards it would suggest that at some stage during the last 2 years of his life he was diagnosed with this condition and his appearance was most likely a result of whatever medication he was on.

Given his issues with substance abuse that’s maybe why he had to resort to such drastic measures by entering that particular rehab facility in Zurich. The prognosis for DCM isn’t great at the best of times but I can imagine that after what GM put his body through his time was well and truly numbered.

R242 Well, when you factor in preexisting health issues, a great deal of smoking (both tobacco and marijuana), a fondness for poppers & GHB, and of course a burgeoning addiction to Crack - all of this still happening in middle age, of course - perhaps you get a clearer picture.

The Symphonica tour also wasn't particularly grueling, to be clear. George mostly just sat on a stool or swayed gently to the music. There wasn't any strenuous movement like the 25 Live tour either. It was a very vocally focused show, which certainly wasn't a bad thing at all.

Let’s not forget methadrone, cocaine and ket...

There have been suggestions over the years that GMs behaviour suggested some deep rooted and dark problem from his childhood. He also hinted at some thing dark at various times. Andros in a FB post after his death spoke about secrets he carried in his heart etc. GMs big support for Childline was also taken by some to mean that GM suffered some kind of childhood sex abuse. Does anybody here believe that?

R249] If George did then the secret died with him. Andros cant tell George's secret nor any biographer because that was George's story to tell. If he didn't but it in that unfinished biography he was working on 2004 or in a song. Then he did not want it to be expose and people need to respect that.

Or maybe he didn't want to be the one to open up about whatever happened, but now he is no longer here, he would like the truths to be told?

He clearly was running away from his issues with the drugs and hedonism.

Seems that people often assume that George experienced sexual abuse during childhood. But there are a lot of things that can happen during childhood that can cause trauma that lasts a lifetime. George often hinted at things but never disclosed anything in the end. That makes it clear that there were unresolved issues that he was not ready to talk about. That canceled JR interview or the book deal for instance. That should be respected. His close circle does not talk and I think they will never talk. It was his decision and that should be respected. I am just not sure that everyone will follow this rule. I noticed that in some interviews he completely reversed his opnion about his childhood. Early Wham days: normal childhood, no arguments at home. after 2004: dysfunctional childhood, "family issues too hurtful to talk about". In his last interview ( red line) he mentioned for the first time that his insecurities about his looks stem from the things he heard from "one parent". You can say what you want about Andros, but the things he said about Jack were probably all true and I have the feeling he didn't even tell the whole story. Jack's homophobia, mocking G for beeing too weak, Jack being a bit of a show off. Nothing really shocking but enough to influence a sensitive child. Take into account what G said himself you get the feeling that G respected his father but that he often tried to get along with him for the sake of harmony. I am not pointing a finger at his father but G brought that topic up regularly and the bitterness in his final interview was striking.

You sensed bitterness towards his father in the last interview?

I got the feeling that George was bitter about the Sony case. IOT: I also believe that George wanted to play the victim and blame others for his life turning the way it did. Because in one of his last interview, he said he was the happiest during his Wham years. However, during the Patience years he was saying sometime different. I'm like which is it George because you are giving confusion stories at this point.

[R254] If there is any truth to what Andros said is very telling. What makes you think it was Jack who had the problem with George being gay. I believe it was his mother who put him down and had a problem with George being gay. In earlier interviews George always said his mother was the one around because Jack work a lot and she was always anger. I think that it was easier to blame Jack because he was the one who was still living. Greeks don't believe in talking ill of the dead and in the Freedom doc George is said of not being able to look at here photographs. She had bee did for over eighteen years at that point and he could not look at her pictures.

254-yes, I sensed it. Firstly, I can't imagine that he refered to his mother when talking about the hurtful comments "from a parent" about his looks. And when he said that he didn't want his mother and sisters to worry about his life and therefore not coming out during the AIDS crisis of the eighties( though Melanie knew), he didn't mention his father. He could have said he didn't want to worry his family but he only mentioned his mother and his sisters. As G was always very careful with his words, I don't think this was an accident. In other interviews G also made a few remarks about his father that were rather unflatering. He always tried to play things down after he made these remarks but he never was that critical when it came to his mother( though he was a few times but in a different way). I had the feeling that his childhood and the relationship with his father became a bigger topic for him in later interviews. I also had the feeling that he saw his mother in a more realistic way rather than this idealistic way he used to do when he was younger. I think this is a natural progress that most people can relate to as they get older and reflect on their childhood. Especially when you don't have children of your own, your own childhood becomes a focus and people( only a personal experience) tend to be more critical of their parents. In stark contrast to that was the praise for Anselmo. Refering to him as "angelic" a couple of times made me think that he looked back at the way the people in his life have treated him and no one ( not even his beloved mother) came close. Maybe I am overinterpreting a few things but that caught my attention the minute I heard the interview.

255- I too believe that his relationship with his mother was a very complicated one and it was G who mentioned a few things she did and said that made his life more complicated but that he understood where these mistakes were coming from. That her intentions were good no matter how bad her decisions were. Only after that conversation about her experiences with her family their relationship changed for the better. The years before that he viewed their relationship as flawed.

I think Jack, like many younger fathers, was far from perfect, and his being a first generation Greek immigrant probably added to that. I imagine that he put a lot of pressure on George to be upwardly mobile (which he was - but not in the direction Jack expected), and they obviously clashed as George got older and followed Andrew's lead, but I'm not sure if I buy horrific abuse. It definitely wasn't a great relationship, but Jack did seem more understanding and calmed down as he got older.

I think George's problems had to do with his sexuality from early on - I remember in an interview prior to his coming out he had mentioned something about being involved with a far older woman who took his virginity - given how he switched pronouns and genders back then, perhaps it was an older man? I don't know. But the abuse or trauma might not have been inflicted by a family member.

He definitely did inherit his mother's side of depression, though. I thought the song he had about his Uncle was rather striking

From Andros book: Now, for obvious reasons I didn't meet Andrew right away, but he sounded too cool the way Yog would describe him. The end result was I couldn't wait to meet him, so Yog invited him over to his house after one of our infamous Boxing Day lunches. First though, I have to tell you about something else that happened that day that came right out of nowhere, and now it sticks out as one of the clearest memories of that time, at least for me. What was it? Our dads were getting into it over the dinner table that afternoon about what it meant in terms of being gay. Don't ask me how the conversation started, but the point was our dads were gay bashing. I retaliation, Yog and I were fighting back with the facts that Ancient Greeks had sex with each other as well as their women. A fact our dads were denying with all their might, but that didn't stop us from goading them all afternoon. Then the door bell rang and in walked Andrew, wearing a Scottish kilt, an oversized white shirt and a green mod parka over the top. His hair was cut in a rough messy style, but sharp, with a pig tail over a foot long plated down his back. He was wearing eye liner. He was the coolest person I had ever seen! A real good looking kid with a flair for fashion. He already looked like he was on his way to becoming a pop star. Guess what our dads thought? In Bare G mentions this occasion, Andrew's kilt and the Greek family. He doesn't say anything about his father's reaction though. Of course in Bare G didn't mention anything about his sexual development and his father's attitude. But he does say that it was Andrew that attracted speculation about his sexuality and not him. Andrew on the other hand points out that it was particularly Lesley that didn't like him at first. This is something G confirmed a couple of times. Was it Andrew's flamboyance? Was she affraid that Andrew could have an influence on G or that he could "awaken" something that she was terrified of? Or was she affraid of the trouble G would get into with his father when he turned into another Andrew? And from Andros description I too have to say, what a cool kid this Andrew!

[R259] George mention in his 2004 Attitude magazine interview, that when his dad made remarks about gay people he felt as if he was not talking about him. He would hears these comments a go able his day because he believe it did not apply too him. Excuses me if I am a little off on the quote, but I'm going by memory. George have always said it was an older woman who he first had sex with at twelve and did not get back in the saddle again till he was either sixteen/seventeen.

As for Andros, I don't believe a word he nor his wife has every said. Most people who post his words as facts, use the tabloids as a source of proof. This man was trying to say he assist George in his career and every woman who came in contact with George wanted Andros. If Andros was so talented then why any of his acts take off especial in this day in time when having no talent can still make you a star.

George gave an interview after he got out jail called 'Up Close and Person' were he states that 'there is only two people know every little secret and truth about me really. That is my sister Melanie and David. They know the whole truth and will never tell". What is strange is that after saying this and David was not in the room he was making tea. When David enters the room with the tea, George began to start the convert with a family secret and David stops him. To which George say "I told you, while giving a smirking laugh (the commentator words not mine).

It's rather sad that George, apart from his one sister, only trusted David( the hanger on with no dignity and career of his own). Was David an honest friend when he depended so much on George? What about Andrew, Shirlie, Yioda, G's band and Even Andros? What did they do wrong that G distanced himself from them? Maybe they were just a bit too honest, too independent? I don't have the impression that Andros is a liar. At some point G didn't trust him anymore. Like it was the case with other people as well. David creeps me out and if he was someone who knew everything, then he certainly knew what that hooker was capable of. So in the end George was alone on Christmas with an abuser. No family and friends with him. This kind of loyalty( keeping your mouth shut) is of little worth to me when a person in need is left alone in the end. So if people want to bad mouth Andros, go ahead. You know very little. If they want to stress David Austin's loyalty then do that. He certainly was loyal. But to me he was loyal cause he depended on George. And I don't think friendships should work like that.

well said 261. David always strikes me as an obedient errand boy who depended on George for his livelihood and never confronted his friend. he was an enabler from the beginning to the end. we all have come across dependent people who act like they are our one and true friend. George case it was easy for David to work his way into his life and live off George generousness. famous people seems to crave obedient doormats as confidants.

George certainly wasn't stupid, as we all know, I also don't think he was weak. It just happens when people are a bit too empathetic that they let people take advantage of them, feeling sorry for them. What also strikes me about that strange character David, is that after the BRIT anwards he thanked Adele and Chris Martin for their tribute. What a wanker! What about Shirlie, Andrew and Pepsi? . It was their tribute that the fans appreciated so much and that was far more important than anyone's. What about thanking them? They were G's friends and loved him, it certainly was one of the hardest things for them to put their personal feelings on display in front of a worldwide aufience. I have the feeling they don't have much love for David either.

Because Shirlie, Pepsi and Andrew are like family. You don't think your family for being apart of a tribute. That is reserve for colleagues within your industries. Andros betrayed George, just as Kenny and Fadi has done this as well. Andros did depend on George to the point he took a photo of his dying mother and sold those photos to the Sun. Would you trust someone like that with your secrets? This man wrote a book that many see as a joke because he was mad that his cousin stop taking care of him and his family. Just as [R263] stated George was not stupid he knew who t trust and who not to trust. Granted he drop the ball when it came to Kenny, but even then he I believe began to see Kenny for what he was. Someone who wanted to live his life in the spotlight without working for it. I am sure his Wham mate do know some of George's secrets, but he only trusted two people with his deepest darkest secrets.

To me it says a lot that he did not tryst his partners to confine in.

Strange that other people close to George thanked Andrew, Shirlie and Pepsi. Even Andrew thanked the two girls himself for being brave. David is so far up some people's arse, it's quite embarrassing, as long as they are stars. At the same time he is not capable of doing an interview and saying something of substance about GM, unlike Andrew for instance. I can tell you that DA is not liked by many for a reason. A hanger on his entire life. Now he is acting like some master mind that pulled the strings and "got projects together". Erm what? What is he? Manager, producer, Executive Producer? That's quite something, don't you think? Strange that his only client ever was George. So he used George till the end and still does. A flunky, but a selfserving one. How is he in any way different than other leeches? Oh, he keeps his thin lips shut. That seems to be the most important quality for certain people. And regarding the Lesley pic sold to the sun? This myth, or let's called it blatant lie, is mentioned repeatedly by people accussing other people that they believe anything the tabloids write. Well, this never happened. There was one picture of Lesley in the Hello interview, a harmless pic of a healthy looking Lesley. The interview itself was harmless as well. Certainly not worse than Mr Austin's name dropping interviews.

[R265] You seem to have some form of hatred towards David Austin which is strange to say the lest. Anyway my response is long and below I mention the five male friends in George's life and how fane view each.

Here is David work with George. George, David, Andrew, and his brother with a friend were all in a group together.

"Look at Your Hands' written by George Michael and co-written David Austin.

'John and Elvis Are Dead' written by George Michael and co-written David Austin

"You Have Been Loved" written by George Michael and co-written David Austin

"December Song (I Dreamed of Christmas)” written by George Michael and co-written David Austin

David Austin is a songwriter from the United Kingdom, who released the single "Turn to Gold", co-written with George Michael in 1984. It reached #68. [1] The single featured backing vocals from George Michael,

David is seen playing guitar on several televisions appearances with Wham! Andros bankrupt Georg's company and pretend to sing songs that George was the lead on.

Maybe [265] it wasn't a big deal to sell a private family moment, but to George it was. Seeing how George felt that his celebrity had cause Anselmo his life. Andros who was living with George because he could not provide for his family goes and sell George's mother picture to the press, knowing how George felt about this. Then Andrso last year resold that Diana tape and gives the public the impression that George had set her up for his own gain. However, Andros sold the recording early in 2004 with a very different story behind the recording and fans called him out.

Also George's fans love David and thank him for being true to George's legacy. They even wished him a Happy Birthday and attend the Freedom doc premieres in large numbers. You know the doc that focusing on George's music and how George himself wanted to be remembered for. Everyone doesn’t broadcast everything they say to each other. David thanked Adele and Chris for taking the time to honoring George. In my option Adele mess up the tribute and made it about her but that's a another story.

Between the five individuals males friends George life, Andros is the one who sold him out.

Andros when he was still in the baby crib. He would go on to betray and stab George in the back on numerous occasions.

David Austin meets George at six months of age. They would get into fist fights and argue with each other like brothers. Andros even said that David should have been George partner in Wham, but he would not allow George to control him. George and Andrew at thirteen in school and went on to create a musical group. Many tried to get Andrew to sell out George as far as 1987 and he never did such a thing.

Deon Estus whom George meet at nineteen. Fan wanted to know private information regarding George and Deon only focus on the music. Deon was the old friend George was referring to meeting again on Twitter.

Then there is Martin Kemp who I question his relationship with George. However, some of the fans think that Martin is a great guy and thank him for interacting with George’s fans.

266-267- you basically confirm that David Austin had no place in the music industry if it wasn't for George. And as far as the song colaborations go, these were the weakest GM songs except for YHBL were David provided some very basic chords while the genius of the song are George's lyrics. George was far too generous to give him Songwriting credits for this. Yes, I view that as a relationship where someone would be an absolute nobody without his famous friend and who didn't build up a career on his own. It's just strange how he presents himself with these impressive titles when he lacks credibilty. It would be something else when his life and income did not depend on GM. I don't care if some fans kiss his arse. I don't know the guy and can only judge what I see and read and what George said about him over the years. I would not want a friend, even a brother, whose livelihood depends on my income and who was jealous of me in the past when he still thought he could make it on his own. This "bought" loyalty is something that G had to deal with his entire career. There is a lack of balance. Oh, and I think he acts and talks like a prick, but that's something a lot of people will probably disagree with. Just my personal view. It's a real shame that he is in charge of George's musical legacy. I don't see him having the right visions, the talent and professionlism.

You are right 268. If he was such a strong willed friend why didn't he get his friend the help he truly needed instead of enabling his worst habits. He never rocked the boat because he depended on George for his livelihood.

In light of the previous posts, it's clear that if George had even one person in his life who truly cared about him and his well-being, he may still be with us. True, addicts are tough to handle and I'm sure G could be a demon, but my god, he attracted a bevy of leeches who probably went out of their way to keep him isolated. In a way, G was being controlled by those around him who were intent on not rocking the boat - keeping him drugged, anesthetized, so they could benefit from his talent. I just read a recent article where photographer, Brian Aris, talks about working with George and he mentions how incredibly vulnerable George was - despite all he swagger. It's that vulnerability all those around him preyed upon. Poor soul, at least he's at peace.

270-it's quite possibly the case. Why should G be the one exception who was not used by those closest to him. Recently I read a Freddie Mercury quote collection and something he said made me quite sad cause it was something I did not expect from him as his Interviews were always a bit lighthearted:"I don't really have any friends. If someone gets close to me at some point I have the feeling they are going to destroy me." He spoke from his experience and he never fully trusted anyone. He also had a couple of abusers in his life. It must be the most isolating thing having this fame and love from people thrown at you but within your four walls you constantly have the feeling that your friends will betray you at any given moment. So I guess you get used to this at some point or you retreat. I don't really get the praise for certain people accociated with G when in the end he died alone on Christmas. It's such a sad end for anyone. You usually only hear about such cases when people are old and without family. And the family statement to me sounded like this was the case( families are complicated, don't forget the I love you's cause it might be too late etc.) It's quite heartbreaking and might be the reason why they act so bizzare.

Who is this woman with GM?

R271 [quote] I don't really get the praise for certain people accociated with G when in the end he died alone on Christmas. It's such a sad end for anyone.

That's the thing I can't comprehend - alone on that night? Where the hell were all the "friends?" I know - there will never be an answer that works... You're right. It is heartbreaking. I've heard there is a new bio about George in the works from an author.- James Gavin. I wonder if he'll have more insight.

Posting this just to angry the David haters.

Didn't you post the same picture in the fadi thread. You are a tiresome troll that have nothing of substance to add to the discussion.

Not for nothing.... I'm partially watching the memorial service for Aretha Franklin in the States and I'm reminded of JUST HOW LITTLE was done for George when he passed. I understand the family wanted the affair to be discreet and may have been trying to adhere to George’s wishes [we’ll never know] but to not allow a memorial concert of some sort is practically unforgivable. I think their actions - or lack of action - has contributed to the constant stream of sensationalism that works to obliterate George's artistry. My two cents.

R236 I have been thinking the same thing all day. I watched Aretha and George Michael’s duet on YouTube last evening. I was surprised to read the new comments made within the past week. George Michael was truly respected and admired as a talented singer and songwriter. I have no idea what state George’s private life was with his family and/or friends were at the time of his death. I do know what it feels to lose a loved one unexpectedly and one that suffers the long dragged out cruelty of Alzheimer’s Disease. Grieving is a process of stages and it is a very painful one before you begin to see daylight. I realize George’s family has more than likely been living a nightmare since December 26 due to his personal life and estate. However, on a professional level George Michael was one of the biggest stars of the 80’s and he could proudly hang his hat next to M.J., Prince and Madonna any time. In fact in some eyes he was more well rounded in his music choices than some. He loved pop but his music catalog includes almost every gendre imaginable.

George Michael definitely deserved a memorial concert. One in the UK and in the States would have been fitting. Actually anywhere that wanted to honor George. At the end of his career George Michael enjoyed performing for his fans. George was a philanthropist. His fans would have welcomed a benefit concert in his name. After all George had no problem performing for Aids benefits, Freddie Mercury, the miners, nurses and any other benefit his name could help.

I would appreciate if I didn’t have to read unnecessary nasty comments pertaining to George Michael. We are all entitled to our opinions. The above is in regards to George Michael the man/performer. This has nothing to do with his private personal life. We all live the way we see fit.

I don't think having a huge tribute in the states will make sense. He didn't release any chart topping song since the ninties in the states. Most younger generation even think last Christmas is a taylor swift song. Sorry to state but George hasn't been relevant here in the states for more than twenty years. Not until he died that u.s radio started playing his songs again. I did not even remember him until he died.

I don't think you can really compare George Michael to Aretha Franklin - nothing against George, of course, but Aretha was incredibly important not just for Blacks in America, but she was also hailed as a feminist icon. She was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom for christ's sake - she was a monumental figure with a huge discography of classics.

George was viewed in America as that gay guy who was in Wham! and sang Wake Me Up Before You Go Go, Last Christmas, and Careless Whisper. Despite having four #1s from Faith, his solo career is forgotten - when he died most news articles listen him as "Ex-Wham Front man".

I know we're fans of his work, but I think it's strange to compare the response of an incredibly private, fairly washed up pop star with a lengthy rap sheet and 4 albums in 30 years dying with a civil rights and feminist icon who's been given several of the nation's highest honors.

I don't say this to be mean - I am a fan of George Michael, but I don't feel the need to act like he was anything he wasn't. I'm sure he would have hated the idea of a tribute concert in his name.

I think in the UK George Michael is more comparable to David Bowie, but he just didn't have such a long career, and wasn't so embedded in the culture. It will be interesting to see how the public react when Elton John passes on, I suspect there will be a lot of coverage and tributes.

R279 I feel compelled to defend George here... I don’t see the need to diminish his contribution to music. I don’t believe anyone is attempting to attribute characteristics to George that he didn’t have. Yes, he may have balked at a memorial concert but that doesn't mean he didn't deserve one. And no, his solo career isn’t forgotten.

[quote]I think it's strange to compare the response of an incredibly private, fairly washed up pop star with a lengthy rap sheet and 4 albums in 30 years dying with a civil rights and feminist icon who's been given several of the nation's highest honors.

Not quite. 4 albums with WHAM! plus four world tours and 6 as a solo artist - that's 10 plus about a dozen singles, then there’s his work with other artists, compilations and leaked music he was working on during the SONY debacle that unfortunately, will probably never be released. His final tour, Symphonic, was sold out with added dates and the subsequent album peaked at #1 and #2 respectively, in eight countries – this when George was 50.

I balk at the term "washed up pop star" since George was always working on refining his craft and yes, he was derailed by personal setbacks, and yes, he had demons, but he was a principled man who struggled to create amidst the tumult of an industry that strived to pinion and mold him into something he could never become.

Then there was the fraught evolution from a part of a pop “boy” band to a mature solo artist, as everything he did played out in the public sphere gripped by gay paranoia. Don’t forget the age in which George emerged as a gay man. The traumas and losses of an era defined by AIDS decimated LGBT communities and perpetuated a homophobic rancor. George remains part of a queer generation demonized for their sexuality and I think now, we easily forget how horrific it was.

I actually don't know anyone who considered Aretha a "feminist icon." Yes of course, after her passing we can define her music as culture bending and definitive of a generation striving for equality. She was an amazing singer – no argument there and I’m confident she paved the way for other black singers. But what remains most iconic about her is her voice.

Presidential Medal of Freedom? Right. Again, not to diminish Aretha’s contribution to music, but America is fond of dispensing myriad awards to a wide swathe of people in order create a perception of the States as a land of freedom and opportunity when in reality, nothing could be further from the truth. Bill Cosby also received the Presidential Medal of Freedom and he was convicted of rape. Nor was Aretha trying to make her music political anthems. She happened to be in the right place at the right time and had opportunities that many other great black female singers didn't.

Yes we know how successful the symphonic tour was, but you are clearly missing the point. Most of us commenting are fans but to the average music fan out there George hasn't been relevant in over twenty something years. We can discuss his contribution to the music industry but if the younger generation are not really aware of who he is then his relevance becomes a thing of the past. Aretha Franklin is very well respected and revered by the younger generation. It is not so much how successful an artist was in the past, it is how successful and influential they continue to be in the music industry.

R281 - The 3 Wham! albums do not make a musical legacy worthy of tribute concerts and massive acclaim - as I said Wham! is rather overwhelmingly seen as cheesy 80s pop (which most of it, save Everything She Wants, is - George would admit that). George was an incredibly talented guy, but he didn't show it often enough. He doesn't have a unique cultural touchstone of an album, and he didn't represent a march forward for a race or gender like Aretha (her songs really carried the Civil Rights banner in the 60s & 70s).

Maybe he would have achieved more personal acclaim had his personal life not been so fraught and had he not been arrested several times - very few musicians are Knighted in the UK, but perhaps he could have been. I mean, if Michael Jackson was never entangled in child molestation allegations, I don't doubt he would have also been awarded and honored more by countries and governments.

But as it stands in America? He was a popstar with one big solo album that sold a shit ton in the late 80s - he can join Bobby Brown and INXS in that camp (nobody will be honoring them like a god when they die, either). He wasn't an innovator like Prince, he didn't break boundaries like Madonna, and he didn't like the whole fucking world on fire like Jackson.

R282 R281 I get it that to the "average music fan out there George hasn't been relevant in over twenty something years" particularly in America. I live in America and heard practically nothing about GM after "Older" - with the exception of tabloid crap. However, he still created a body of work that is worthy of some regard - I know, less than other artists but still to dismiss his contribution to music entirely is a bit short-sighted. I'm probably biased since I'm not a fan of Madonna - nothing she created ever moved me - and I was warm about Jackson. But comparing GM to INXS? Nah ... no way. And no, I don't think the Wham era is a musical legacy - Hell I thought it was "cheesy 80s pop" when I heard it then, but to have created the concept in the first place, to have the intensity and determination to pull together a bunch of cheesy pop that you could tour the world with is - in my estimation - no small feat. I also don't think being "Knighted" would have rocked George's boat. I doubt he cared about those sorts of accolades. I think he really wanted the respect of his contemporaries and I'm convinced that a younger generation will come to appreciate his artistry.

When is the younger generation going to appreciate his artistry when most young people can't remember him releasing an album. I am an older millennia and I still remember watching older on tv for the first time in the nineties. My generation have witnessed his huge rise as little kids in the late eighties. younger Millennias think last Christmas is a Taylor swift song. I don't know if this generation will fully appreciate his music. His estate is doing nothing to promote his work to a new generation. You can't expect those kids to discover him without some reintroduction of his music. I hope his music doesn't become a relic of the past because it seems like it.

The younger generation is familiar with George thanks to movies such as a Pitch Perfect 3. They end the movie with the girls singing “Freedom”. Some of George Michael’s music is timeless, actually a lot of his music is. If you read comments regarding Wham’s and George’s music on YouTube there are quite a few youngsters that state they wish they were born for the music of the 80’s. I live in the states and I am sad to say I lost track of George Michael. It didn’t take me long to realize how talented he really was. In his Wham! days I’m not sure I appreciated his talent. I thought he was sexy as hell.

That is just one movie. Most of them don't know most of his songs. They might know freedom but ask them if they have ever heard older. Like I stated in earlier comment, his legacy seems to be heading to the relic of the past. He could have been more influential if he had recorded more chart topping songs but he seems to lose his drive going all the way. Sad all around.

His songs are all over the place in movies. When people hear a song and they like it they look up the artist and find the music. At least I do. Dead Pool, Keanu, Atomic Blond, Zoolander, Hot Tub Time Machine. I'm sure more. But only die hard fans in the US know Older. Which is quite great and not at all dated. I played it at my house in the background at a get together and a couple of college age girls sought me out to ask what the music was.

Yes his music are played in movies and tv shows. Even in the recent atomic blond movie but so are one hit wonder songs. What I am stating is that his songs are turning into a relic of the past. He could have been more influential like his contemporaries.

I don't think you can bemoan that teens don't know about Older, I mean, it's not really a pop album. My issue is that critically it's ignored - I don't expect younger folks to know it, but it's strange to never see it mentioned for how great an album it is.

I never really cared for Listen Without Prejudice - it felt like he was trying too hard to be serious, melancholy for the sake of being melancholy, etc. But with Older there were actual reasons for the album being somber - it felt legitimate.

Interesting enough I went to the community grocery store this morning in the states. The entire time I was shopping they played George Michael’s music. I had to catch my bearings for a minute I thought I was home. They must play it enough that the young adults working in the store knew the words of the songs. It brought a smile to my face.

Some folks just don't want George to be remember. There are tons of young, old, black and white individuals that are covering GM's music. Britain's got Talent dedicated a whole show to him. I have seen some people who would hear one of George's Seether covers and ask what song is this. So he is gaining new fans. I believe those see/view George's career as dead, are those who follow the boyfriends saga.

Just like those who think George Michael is worth less then stated. This let me Know they are clueless when it comes to the music business. Because George own the rights to Wham! He also wrote, produce, arrange and sung these songs. Every time his song plays the estate make the money. Let not forget he did not tour for over fifteen year and had money spending Kenny in his life.

The man still was not broke, George did not spend money like Michael Jackson did.

In the days since his death, fans have been streaming and buying his songs and albums at a rate not seen in Michael’s career in years, according to Forbes. Less than 24 hours after his death, Michael’s solo discography saw more than a 3,100 percent increase in plays on Spotify globally. And the sudden rise in popularity of his music will likely benefit the British singer’s estate in the years to come, according to entertainment attorney Donald David, who has represented the estates of Tupac Shakur.

“His estate could see somewhere in the vicinity of $7 to $10 million,” he says. “The music already, in terms of streaming and downloads, has increased significantly since news of his death.”

292. Some of his fans that disagree with you are not fans of his boyfriends. They are not in denial like you who overstate his current popularity. You don't have to get defensive and insult those who see things differently from you.

I have no idea what he would have been worth. I did read he paid cash for a couple houses and vehicles in the beginning of his career. I also read he was more than generous when his friends were down and out and that isn’t including his males relationships. As we all know he had his favorite charities.

9R293] you are the one who is in denial. A quick search on YouTube and Google says other wise. You choose the believe the what you want despite the visual proof that state something different.

[R293] you are the one who is in denial. A quick search on YouTube and Google says other wise. You choose the believe the what you want despite the visual proof that state something different.

296. You don't make sense. What are the "facts" you so defensively state.

R297 I believe R296 could be referring to the hundreds of Youtube videos of George and the thousands of lovely and endearing comments by fans. I honestly believe there are some people here who are not fans of George at all and who are simply trying to stir the pot. There are many who profess to be fans but who are adamant that George will be forgotten and become a "relic". I'm sure it's true that in the UK and countries outside the US, his music is played more frequently, and not as much in America. However, I don't consider America the zenith of culture or even capable of deep musical appreciation.

298. Explain to me why most foreign artists want to make it in America, if this country is not relevant in solidifying an artist place in entertainment. America is the mecca of showbiz and it dictate who is hot or hip whether you want to admit it or not. Some of us are also fans who see things differently from you. Who are you to determine who are actually fans and who are not. Have a seat somewhere.

I’m certainly not an expert but from the time I was a youngster and watched the Beatles perform on the Ed Sullivan show I thought performers wanted to perform in the U.S. and the U.K. I know George Michael as a solo artist wanted to perform in the U.S. and he did so successfully. He was driven to prove that he and Andrew could be successful in 6 months time especially to prove a point to his father. He was highly motivated to make it as a solo performer which as we all know he succeeded. He mentions somewhere along the way that is ego was a factor. Evidently writing songs that jumped out of the radio was fairly easy for him as well as finding out he had a voice, was smart enough to produce his own music, sing backup on his recordings and sometimes play the instruments because we all know he was a perfectionist and independent.

He has his coming out (no pun intended) incident in the Beverly Hills men’s rest room. The next thing I know George Michael disappeared from the U.S. I later learned he suffered from depression, mental illness ran in his family, Anselmo and then his mother died, he had to deal with his sexuality, he hated the media, drugs and alcohol became somewhat of a problem. George was losing control of his life. I wouldn’t think the incident in Beverly Hills would have been enough for George Michael to turn his back on America and his fans. He was able to write “Outside” and to make a killer video. George not only lost his way but he lost the drive that made him stand out from the others. It’s almost as if his coming out changed him some how. Easy to be a fan and look at the whole picture but known of us will ever know why he didn’t fight for his career in the states or what truly destroyed his drive.

[300] I think that was the case as well.

R300 It was nice not to have someone jump down my throat for my thoughts on GM.

R300 what you stated has been discussed very briefly i n other gm related threads. You are right about your observation. There are some gm fans who are in denial and do not want to see his career mistakes. They are the ones who might attack your opinion.

I believe his addictions destroyed his drive and creativity. Not depression, not the deaths of loved ones, not the press. He said it was the latter but addiction was truly the burden he couldn't overcome.

R304 Sad to say I think you are correct. It probably was a combination of everything that made the addiction the end all for him. I don’t think anyone could have helped him. He called the shots from day one. I would think the drugs made him think he was indestructible and in his head thought he still had everything under control.

Who would have thought Boy George that did have an addiction to heroin would be the last one standing. Good for a Boy George I’m sure it wasn’t easy for him.

You know the reality is, everything fades eventually. Even Elvis Presley’s music is rarely - if ever - heard on American radio. And who listens to radio now? An older generation, I suspect. Everything is “streaming” and on ipods and available via digital download. Culture changes and moves on and even the Beatles are considered “elevator music” by younger generations who didn’t grow up with them.

And that’s just it. We are always more attached to the music we grew up with - the music that ushered us through that tough and tender transition from child to adult. George was part of an era that has ended - as were some of the other artists who passed that same year: Bowie and Prince. It doesn’t mean that his music is less substantial and that he wasn’t insanely talented - he was. But after a time, he too will be forgotten. All his fans will eventually die - not to be morbid - but time marches on and everything changes. George will always have a special place in musical history and perhaps even a profound impact on some people, but all artistic creations resonate as a result of the era they were created in.

GM was a poet and philosopher who I thought, was always one step ahead of his time so it’s entirely possible that boatloads of people will be listening to his music and gorgeous voice for decades to come. I certainly hope so. But all artistic creations evolve and music is the cathedral of the young. Having said that, I’ll always have a soft spot in my heart for George.

It's also useless to go over G's addictive personality. Yes, it did him in. End of story. He still left us some beautiful music.

Boy George that did have an addiction to heroin would be the last one standing. Good for a Boy George I’m sure it wasn’t easy for him.

A fat bitter bitch with no chin. Who is singing at State Fair still in the shadow of a dead man.

307. Why talk down at boy George at least he is not milking George name to stay relevant. Why are you so defensive. I am happy he proved people wrong and beat the odds against him.

All his fans will eventually die - not to be morbid - but time marches on and everything changes. -> Jeez. I suddenly felt as if I was standing at the edge of my grave looking down. Morbid but true. GM fans are a greying lot in their late 40-50s and will eventually be gone

R309 You are right. My aunts, uncles and parents are dead. Everything either gets shredded, pitched or donated. The next thing you know it is as if they never existed. An entire generation gone.

George and his sisters didn’t have children. Once George Michael’s sisters are no longer with us. They will become a distant memory. His sisters should think about that for a while. Maybe they would decide George Michael’s musical peers could finally have a benefit concert on his behalf. If they are still interested.

George really should have knocked up a few women along the way. Just think - if he impregnated a Wham! era groupie, their child would be over 30 years old now!

But of course we all must wonder how hot the child of Brooke Shields and GM could have been. Would have had to stay on top of their eyebrows, though.

And on a happier note.... George is still in people's hearts and minds. His "Attitude" cover won the popular vote.

He looks like Stevie Wonder in that Attitude cover.

For anyone that would like to hear an incredible voice. If not, move on down the line.

George's bald spot....

R315 Are you serious? Christ.

Where was his head injury from falling out of his vehicle?

^^^ I think it was closer to the front since the witnesses said there was blood covering his face and his glasses were smashed.

316. George had all kinds of fans. Some like discussing his music and some focus on the controversies. You guys should learn to respect eachother differing views.

That is not a bald spot. He had one after he fell out of his car. There are pictures taken of his back head and you can see a more visible scar bald spot.

[317] [318] if the photo of the back of a man's head is GM it's clearly a long time before the m1 incident. The Daily Mail photo suggested a scar on the back of his head was visible.

That pic looks to be from his 30th Birthday Party. I wouldn't really call it a bald spot, it just looks like some minor thinning on the crown - most men get that.

Do you think his mother was a drinker? She died young of cancer. She was very angry and put upon when he was growing up. She didn't appear to age well. And George had to have addiction in his DNA from somewhere. I think his dad probably was but I've wondered about his mum.

R323] Wow you really hate your parents. Because of your dysfunction life, you want to project on George. I guess life just had you sour lemons and if you did make lemonade. It would be extremely bitter like you.

324. Why do you always reply with a defensive tone. I have noticed your replies is like bitchy trolling other commentators. You seem to have nothing of value to add to the conversation than waist for some to post some comments you don't like and reply back with your nonsense smirk. Poster r323 has a right to his observation but your reply is pure projection too.

Does anyone have the full picture of him in this? I can tell it's been cut off.

Thanks!

R325 what is the statute of limitations to prosecute drug dealers like Paul Stag? He himself admitted that he was supplying GM till 2013. They should prosecute and throw scum like him in jail instead of letting him make money selling these garbage stories forever

327. Why should he be in jail. His service was needed and he did his job. Blame the addict not the dealer. Most of you fans are ridiculous. No one is going to press charges against him.

R326 Gorgeous picture. I think it's from a series where he either has a blue or red background and he's sitting on the floor in most of them. With bare feet as usual.

[327] England and Wales jurisdiction has no specific Statute of Limitations for criminal offences, however, cases to be tried in a magistrates court (summary offences minor offences) would lapse if not brought within a relatively short time. More serious offences triable in a higher court has no limit. Recent cases have included sexual offences committed decades ago and resulted in imprisonment of elderly men. Weinstein could be prosecuted in the UK where he could not in the US for a similar timeframe. There will be natural limitations about whether sufficient evidence can be obtained after the passage of time and whether in the public interest.

6 minutes 47 seconds on a 45.

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Lisa Stansfield Talks Upcoming North American Tour, Sharing Cigarettes and Bacon Sandwiches With George Michael

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^David Austin says some crap from time to time to keep fans interested. There is no album worth of songs. Maybe 4-5 at best. Release it when the fans still remember him. Everything related to GM happened in slow motion for the last 20 yrs of his life and continues sadly after his death

I have been unsuccessful in my search to find articles or anything relevant to Andrew Ridgely having a nervous breakdown around the time Wham! had its final concert. I did read Andrew would have liked Wham! to stay together for another year but Andrew did not voice his feelings to George. It was also interesting to read that when Andrew performed as a guest with George for the last time he hadn’t realized how physical and in shape you had to be to perform on stage at a concert. He was exhausted after performing with George and George still had 45 minutes left to finish his concert. Andrew stated that George gave 110% to his fans when he performed. Anyway if anyone has any info concerning Andrew’s so called breakdown I would appreciate if you would share. I am sure it was a huge mental adjustment to be a pop star one minute and the next you were back to being just Andrew Ridgely. One major difference he was now a rich Andrew Ridgely.

R336 In this article you have a sentence referring to Andrew's nervous breakdown in 1985. There is another question where GM is asked about ARs nervous breakdown and his answer suggests it did happen:

PERKINS: After all that you and Andrew had been through, from the formation of your first band to the success of Wham! and his breakdown, was it difficult to separate from Wham!, from Andrew?

MICHAEL: Not really, because both of us knew the band had run its course. We were both unhappy doing it, but I think the way Andrew was being treated as the less important half of the duo had finally taken its toll on him. We both knew that splitting up was the right thing to do, and there was no animosity between us at all. We always talked about when it would happen—we always knew that I would go on to have a solo career.

There are a lot of emotional and mentally unstable people who are fans of this once talented performer. They are overtly emotional fragile people blocking differing opinions just for the fun of their fragile ego been challenged. George fans are a varied of people, some have strong opinions and some love to troll looking for comments to block.

R337 I missed the article you posted. Hindsight is 50/50 but it really is to bad George Michael’s musical career came so easy for him. He may have been better off to experience what it would be like to have to fight and struggle to become the star he so desperately wanted to be in the beginning. It would have given him a challenge to strive for. Instead he had to create his own challenges along the way when things were going so well for him. He is the one that basically stopped him from being what he could have been. Besides his depression, drug use, alcohol and sexuality issues he was his worst enemy. I think he realized it towards the end but he was too late and he knew it.

GEORGE Michael's ex-whore Fadi Fawaz has sensationally claimed the star "tried to stab himself 25 times" in rehab

'WE DON'T BUY IT, FADI' George Michael’s family say the story of his death as told by escort Fadi Fawaz is ‘full of holes’

His first partner Kenny was a smart gold-digger. He got George to buy him a $3 million home and furnish it with exceptional art and furnishings, which he got to keep when they broke up. He also convinced George to finance his art gallery business. He's set for life.

Fadi had no plan, and fucked around and did drugs the whole time. Now he has nothing to show for his time with George.

The High Court in London heard today that Rebekah Brooks obtained unlawful data while she was a top Murdoch employee

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There won't be any in the papers, of course. They'll hush this up like they did with John Witherow's illegal behaviour

There won't be any in the papers, of course. They'll hush this up like they did with John Witherow's illegal behaviour

I had some free time this afternoon and decided to watch George Michael’s Rio concert on YouTube. It’s one of his best concerts. He was in his prime, his voice was at its best and he was enjoying performing and had fun with his backup singers. Lynn Mabry, Shirley Lewis and Jay Wright were his singers. A few of the band members as well as the singers were with him throughout most of his career. Says a lot considering the breaks in his career.

It was refreshing to watch him in all his glory before all the crap. Especially with all the FF stories out there these days.

^^^ Such a good performance and GM looking handsome and confident

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I did ask David if there would be any new music to expect? In his words: We never disappoint 😊😊😊👍🏽👍🏽

But when ???

Wonder if this was released now because of all the negative comments from FF.

Well, well, looks as if Alpha isn’t being very honest about her offspring.

George Michael has a love child says Swedish woman Ulrika Lillemor Alfa Wonwolf

I do not believe this woman but Daily Heil reported it so ...

It's only being reported on because this delusional fame whore has been peddling her fan fiction on social media for months, arguing with GM "fans" and calling herself Mrs George Michael long enough that the family spoke out. I'm surprised the gutter press didn't print it already.

I hope the family's legal team tears this psycho fake baby mama to shreds. Reminds me of Zsa Zsa's husband, Prince Van Asshole claiming HE was the father of Anna Nicole Smith's baby, when that story was dominating the headlines.

There's always going to be some lowlife head case who crawls out from under their rock for their 15 minutes, when an opportunity like this arises. Laughable and pathetic.

^This story seems far out and not believable. As fake as it may be, in a way as a GM fan a thought that maybe his son exists somewhere is a happy thought

R355. Let's not entertain mentally ill fanatics. I think the nut job does post in this thread and other gm related threads. I t is sad that nothing news worthy have been reported about him since he died. The people who have dominated the press concerning him have been his exes and now this psycho fan. His team have really dropped the ball.I think his people should release an old unheard song and take the attention away from those exploiting his name in the press.

He should have been considered for the Hall of Fame. People seem to have forgotten his voice and songwriting abilities. He deserves better when it comes to his career. And his personal/private life. That is why it is called personal or private.

I am reading “I’m Coming To Take You To Lunch” by Simon Napier-Bell. Andrew never disappoints with his actions and comments. George was so serious it must have been how Andrew dealt with him.

R357. His personal life is still dominating real and fictional. His career can't seem to overshadow his personal drama. Currentl y there is a nut job fanatic selling her delusion to the press about him. Fad i and the psycho fan seem to be out crazy eachother. Maybe eventually years from now he might be considered for hall of fame induction.

R358 I find it interesting that the Alpha character isn’t coming across in the media the same way the posters described her as such a standup private person, her so-called relationship with George, her private driveway to her secluded house, a married woman and a devoted mother. I don’t mean to sound cynical but in the media she sounds as crazy as the rest of them.

^ There were no posters describing ALPHA woman. I bet it was her posting repeatedly to make a fake story appear true. No way anybody else knew about it and was posting. It was her

[R22] I did not know that looking at tites cures homosexuality.

Not if they're your mother's.

George Michael’s Cover of “Roxanne”

R362. Enjoyed the above article. I was never a fan of Roxanne until I heard George’s cover and it has become a favorite of mine.

R363 Agreed. I never liked the song until I heard George's rendition during Symphonica. He really was an incredibly talented man.

When George Michael put his mind to something he was exceptional. Roxanne, Feeling Good, I Cant Make You Love Me so many great covers. He was the best white R & B singer by far

I agree that most of GM's cover were better than the originals with the exception of I can't make you love me. Bonnie Raitt is the only one who can sing it with that much vulnerability and directness. George adds too many notes to one syllable words and makes it mushy and gushing. It's not that complicated and his arrangement is not better.

I do prefer George's version of I Can't Make You Love Me

R367 I agree with you. I absolutely adore his version of “I Can’t Make You Love Me”. He makes you feel his pain when he sings his version.

What do you think? Does a difficult childhood and parental conflict steel many talented people and force them to develop the strength to succeed?

I think it has more to do with attention seeking for what ever reason or childhood you had. Because lots of people succeed in other fields and didn't have troubled childhood. And lots of people are in prison and had horrible childhoods.

Melissa Etheridge Remembers 'Musically Brilliant' George Michael

Read this beautiful, touching letter that George Michael wrote to his fans in the now-closed website of Aegean Records

It saddens me after reading George’s letter. He had the world in his hands and somewhere along the way he got very lost. It is devastating to think what could have been opposed to what was for George. He truly was a musical genius with a heart of gold. A combination of drugs, alcohol and depression brought out the insecurities he had as a child. Apparently the insecurities never left him. Depression is a serious illness. He had a therapist and was on medication but nothing helped him. He really was too smart for his own good. Seems a lot of genius types never truly find happiness and their endings are tragic. He was with us for 53 years and left a catalog of music covering most genres. Thanks to his albums, videos, YouTube, etc. George is still with us.

R373 A combination of drugs, alcohol and depression brought out the insecurities he had as a child.

and LA arrest, cruel outing and public humiliation too

R374. Yes you are 100% correct. We all know about George’s private life adventuress ways that became almost as well known as his music. I just chose not to go into detail and rehash the same old same old.

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[375] Thank you for not rehashing. If more people acknowledged his artistry while he was alive, as opposed to focusing on those times when he screwed up, he might have had a better opinion of himself and at the very least, believed he could over come some of his demons. The media was vicious to him and SONY destroyed his American career all because he had integrity and wanted to create music that moved his heart and soul - that felt real to him. Other "pop" and rock stars committed breathtaking gaffs and were horribly addicted to god knows what but they never suffered demonization at the hands of the press in the way GM did. And yes, thank god we've got YouTube, albums, digital - etc., and ample evidence of his genius... It's pointless know to go over what may have tormented him and those who contributed to his demise. I can't imagine how difficult it must have been for him each time he realized he'd fallen off the rails again and then, to have no one capable of offering tough love. I prefer to focus on his beautiful music.

The above truly is a wonderful tribute to George Michael and he captures the essence of all the magnificent talents of George’s voice, songwriting ability and producing his own music.

I rewatched George Michael’s Live In London video recently. I was listening to George’s voice. He truly shined in his own songs and a few coveres. However, what I truly noticed for the first time was how much joy he was getting out of performing for his fans. You could feel the gratitude he had towards his fans but you could see him come to life performing. He was meant to perform on stage where he shined. Nothing else in his life mattered but George singing.

OnThisDay October 22, 2000: George Michael out pays £1.67m in auction for the Steinway piano that John Lennon composed ‘Imagine’ on. He says: “Parting with my money has never been much of a problem, just ask my accountant."

R378 I truly noticed for the first time was how much joy ...

He was on anti-depressant pills during the whole tour

Pet Shop Boys’ Neil Tennant shares amazing anecdote about George Michael

They crossed paths over the years

Pet Shop Boys’ Neil Tennant has shared a heartwarming anecdote about the late singer George Michael.

Speaking to the Guardian, Tennant explains that while he didn’t know Michael well, the pair crossed paths in the 30 years before the latter’s death in 2016.

Tennant, 64, added that he interviewed the ex-Wham singer for Smash Hits, but the last time he saw Michael was at the Olympic Closing ceremony in 2012.

He said: “We were in these Portakabin-y dressing rooms and the person next to us is playing music unbelievably loudly. I said to our tour manager: ‘Can you go and ask him to turn that down, please?’

“And suddenly the door flings open and George, who we hadn’t seen since he’d been in jail, comes in and says: ‘Did you just tell me to turn my music down?’ I said: ‘Yes, I did.’

“And he says: ‘Give me a hug.’ And then he went back to his dressing room, put his stereo on and played West End Girls – loudly.”

The Pet Shop Boys singer added that he was sad and “almost angry” when he heard about Michael’s death, as he believed it was a waste.

Michael passed away of natural causes on Christmas Day in 2016 at the age of 53. NME’s Mark Beaumont paid tribute to the late star, writing in an obituary: “Mirroring Michael Jackson’s trajectory, he transformed a hugely successful teenage pop explosion with 80s legends Wham! into a mature, stadium-filling solo career in a manner emulated by the likes of Robbie Williams and aspired to by every reputable singer in pop.”

Tennant was speaking to the Guardian ahead of the release of a collection of his lyrics, One Hundred Lyrics and a Poem by Neil Tennant, which is set to be published on November 1.

R380 I take 2 anti-depressants and I’m not full of joy...thank you very much.

It was much more that just 2 anti-depressants

R383 I’m sure it was. Seriously how was he able to remember the words to the songs he performed for 103 concerts and not collapse at some point from whatever he was taking during the tour. Honestly I thought he cleaned up his act when he went on tour. Guess I was way off on that one.

Who would be responsible for releasing new songs if it really happens?

It's never going to happen. There's no vault, there's no new songs. George was done when he broke his head going 70 MPH on the M1 motorway.

I don't really think the car m1 accident would have caused permanent damage to his ability to still sing. He was a chronic drug addict and that was enough to do more damage.

Well he never sang again so there's that and his articulation was poor in his last interview.

I think the last interview should be a warning to his fans to never do drugs. I noticed in his last interview he repeated himself alot. Like he was trying to articulate his words.

Sinead O'Connor Converts To Islam

Omg that was S. O.. on stage with G. M. ?

Yes at Concert for Linda

The Concert for Linda was a benefit tribute to Linda McCartney It was held at the Royal Albert Hall in London on 10 April 1999. Linda died from cancer a year earlier when she was 56.

R392 Yes,I know the concert I didn’t know that was Sinead O’Connor.. I learned something new today. Ty

That's not Sinead O'Connor. Receipts?

For those that haven’t already read the below interview.

New George Michael song for Last Christmas movie

George appears across most of my playlists, because you know what? He’s underrated as an artist. I mean the man had 10 number one hits over the course of his career, not to mention the greatest pop Christmas song of all time — come at me Mariah Carey fans, I dare you. I’m not saying he’s the greatest musician of all time, but come on, he deserves more love than he gets.

George Michael to be honoured with London tribute concert

R397 Totally agree. He's always been underrated. His poetry, voice, musicianship, talent - all of it - buried in tabloid hell. Same critics who demonized him while he was alive, sang his praises after he passed. The loss is sobering.

It is about time George Michael gets some well deserved credit for his beautiful voice.

This is fun to watch. George would have wanted to join in with the two of them.

George Michael miss the man everyday. what a talent...................

Shirley Lewis interview.

Psychic 'reveals' what George Michael is doing in heaven and we have questions

Mariah Carey: 'George Michael's death took a toll on me'

The Story of... 'Father Figure' by George Michael

George Michael's neighbours struggling to raise Christmas spirit after his death

George Michael's original band members confirm 'George Michael in Concert 2019'

There was so much death

Stand By Me: AIDS Day Benefit Live at Wembley (1987)

Read this interesting 1987 George Michael interview about Andrew calling him "TLTI", being referred to as the Howard Hughes of Pop, about “hopeless conquest” and others -

George Michael fans launch a fresh campaign to get 'Last Christmas' to number one

One of the latest remakes of George’s “Last Christmas”

George Michael’s estate is up and running again

Message from the family and David

one of the greatest voices of his generation............I liked everything he ever did and liked the teeny bopper stuff he started out with just as much. I think he made too much of the control over his music and his stupid fight with his record company. Anytime he sang it was going to be great.

Personally I thought he was way way overly self involved and gave into his weaknesses at a drop of a hat. He really is exactly what is wrong with a chunk of gay men to this day.

Hi everyone, “Lovelies”, and all Yog’s loyal fans worldwide. This year has flown by, although some days it doesn’t feel much like it…. but luckily the sweeter memories are always there for us all as well – we know you’ll have special ones of your own…. for our family and friends, life continues to have almost daily reminders of him, in one form or another….

We have all tried to ‘pay it forward’ this year in the form of good deeds, and kindnesses, as we know many of you have too, which we are really proud of, and encouraged by. In the face of disappointments, feeling that good people are doing only their best out in the world, in Yog’s name is really heartening….

Thanks to all of you for your continued support, it means so much to us, and we remind you once again whilst together with family & friends, during your celebrations, to say your “I love you’s”

We love and remember him

Merry Christmas to you all

Wishing you all every happiness for the coming year

Take care…. Melanie, Yioda, Jack & David

We are very excited about a couple of the first ever official projects to come in the following years, don’t worry, we’ll let you know what they are and when they’ll arrive….

Thank you for your Patience

GRAVE COMPLAINT George Michael’s grave hasn’t got a headstone two years after his death

How George Michael’s “Last Christmas” captures the loneliness of living in the closet

Merry Christmas GM

missing George

The world is in chaos these days. However, George Michael’s “Last Christmas” continues to have a positive impact on the world ... even in Russia.

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What's that?

George sounding truly happy. It will bring a smile to your face.

Great news fir George Michael fans.

What the hell is a smooth iconaward. sorry the only ones that counts are hall of fame and Grammy life time achievement awards.

GM always spoke a good game. But unfortunately he never stayed true to what he was saying. if only George, if Only.... you would still be here

George really lived two lives. One in which he talked himself in to believing and tried to sell it to his fans as his real truth and the other was his addictive self destructive one which he lost total control of. His accomplishments before the Sony fiasco were amazing. He sang a duet with Aretha, performed at the Apollo with Stevie Wonder, Smokey Robinson and the other famous artists that were on the stage that night. As the years went by he surrounded himself with some real losers that turned out to be everything he avoided in the beginning of his career. Had to be a very lonely life for him.

Are the Fadi Fawaz Saga threads over or is there a new one?

R430 There will be a new one soon.

R431 Can you post a link to that thread?

The fraus are terrified they'll lose their only place to post about their beloved Georgie and his associated hangers on.

Sorry for length of but I'm a criminologist and profiler (true story) I deal only in facts, GM was a musical genius, his generosity and friendship had no boundaries but the fact is he was very complicated and wasn't apologetic for his lifestyle other than any illegal ones, and that's why I respected the man, he was also fiercely intelligent and witty, his last pics show him at a 38 waist at most and 16st apparently, the fat Elvis and neighbors comments of him being huge is harsh at best, he looked like he was on a maintaining dose of prednisolone as my own son is who is 16.5 stone and only 5'9 (he was taller so obese is a stretch), a bloated face is a clear symptom even if a tiny size 2, if his mum hadn't died I don't for one minute think he'd have imploded, a criminologist looks for patterns and he had many which I've watched him say in interviews, both Kenny and fadi had separate rooms from him, both said they just binge watched tv and ate take outs for indefinite years, he lied about being clean to both of them at the start, he wouldn't have sex without chems and he loved cruising, his character showed an overwhelming amount of insecurities in the last 5yrs and his anxiety was the reason he took the drugs at the start, being shitfaced got him through another day, toxicology was bound to be sealed so I'm not sure why anyone expected any different as there wasn't a criminal investigation, fadi may not be everyones fav but they were each others crutch (U) and there isn't one of you that hasn't experienced that rightly or wrongly at one level or another in their lifetime. Sadly unless paid off I think a book will be announced soon hopefully not at the same time his tribute concert takes place on his birthday....

R434 I have a question. Do you believe George at times struggle with his gay lifestyle. Because in some interviews he talk as if he was still struggle with living as a gay man. Don't want to angry anyone just curious about this.

R435. Duh it did affect his career. Once he was outed his career took a nosedive here in the states. He lived his sexual identity in a disruptive way that was very unhealthy when you think about the cruising, drugs ghb and gaypornstar friends. His gayness did not give him the happiness he desperately wanted instead he diverged into the hedonistic lifestyle of homosexuality.

Agree thanks for the response

R434 in case you missed it. A book has already been announced earlier this year. Not by FF, but the unavoidable Andros Georgiou. And yes, of course, it will come out in June, no coincidence.

Isn't anyone going to pull together a decent website for GM? I mean, christ, there's nothing there after over two years... At least they could do that much.

R439 A Twitter campaign was launched about six months ago to get GM`s official website back up and running. A group of fans was busy trying to get the Lippman company back to to do this job. Unfortunately, this campaign was run in such an unprofessional manner, that there is virtually no fan support, and this group of fans has isolated itself completely and alienated the GM fans from them completely. The Lippman company, to my knowledge, never responded. In so far, it is not even clear, whether they are interested at all. Lovelies in general don`t seem lucky with their campaigns. Getting "Last Christmas" to number one in the charts earned them "Whamaggedon" and caused a number of pubs to ban this song to avoid annoying the general public. Nothing ever came of a proposed statue in Goring. Not to mention the closure of tribute garden at HIghgate and tributes being removed consequently which fans still place there, despite the GM family clearly stating "enough is enough". All these campaigners know very well that they are perceived as a nuisance, but carry on regardless. What`s a "heartfelt tribute" , is a tacky mess in the general publics perception. Fans could create thir own websites and their memorials in front of their own houses. The official website might come back one day. The fans who alledgedly miss it so sorely these days, will be the first ones to trash it, They have always done. GM closed down interactive fansites twice due to abhorrent behaviour of so called lovelies. Everybody can understand the lack of desire for fan participation from the GM estate and family`s point of view. Let`s wait and see what the future brings.

R440. That is one long post just to state that nothing has happened since he died.

R441 An awful lot has happened. But nothing proactive.

R442. That is the whole point that nothing productive has happened in terms of reintroducing his music to the public besides the lovelies.

Andrew Ridgeley "misses" George Michael: Wham! bandmate opens up over grief

Last Christmas movie: Cast, plot, release date, trailer and all you need to know

George Michael tops Smooth's All Time Top 500 for 2019 for a second time!

The smooth award poster troll. You posted the same in the other threads. You are boring and bored.

And so it carries on..

Experienced some of the delusional lovelies yesterday.... They really haven't a bloody clue what went on in his head, they seem to want to keep him in a fairy dust bubble ffs....

[R440] I understand what you are saying about that Lippman group. They are one special group of individuals. These so call fans are trying to get that George Michael Forever site shut down. Saying the owner post ads and put down Saint Kenny. What these fans fail to realize those magazine articles are old. Therefore the person who runs the site has to pay for those old magazine articles. They post about wanting Lippman and missing the old site. While putting down the new site that is trying to keep George's legacy alive. I feel if these fans are so passionate about George's legacy and don't like the George Michael Forever site. Why not began their own George Michael fan site? Instead of complaining and waiting for the estate start your own site. That way it will be to their liking and control.

[448] That same group is posting this article that is from 2017 or 2018. Because it list Kenny as 59 and fighting for the Goss foundation. While according to Kenny's fan he just celebrated his sixtieth birthday and he will be sixty one this year. So that article is old and also the estate sold the paintings Kenny was trying to keep.

[449] Ah ok, came through my feed yesterday with that date... Didn't GM close the original forum due to playground behaviour??

I believe he did in 2004.

George Michael has shut down his website chat room because fans have been leaving "negative comments".

In a message posted on the website told fans of his decision to close down the forums, citing his desire to stay away from "the negativity of the media". He said: "I think that it is bad for me and for music in general.

"I find it really sad to see the forums so packed full of negative comment, and that so many genuinely positive fans find themselves defending me (or themselves) constantly against attack. How pointless.

"I'm afraid I want nothing to do with the bitching that has evolved between some members, (many members), and perhaps unofficial sites will be a calmer affair."

One fans criticized his decision as "ludicrous". "It's a fans' forum, it's freedom of speech and I don't think it's down to George to take his ball home and say 'I'm not playing any more'."

What happened to Fadi’s thread?

R452. No one cares anymore. Besides he has been silenced since he is probably paid off. Unless fad i states something scandalous about George no one will create another thread. The threads were created in response to fad i shenanigans.

Remember that time the Spaz Troll made up a fake story about George Michael jumping off a bridge to commit suicide in the Maldives and Fadu saw it and went nuts on Twitter? Pink News ran a story about it, complete with screenshots from Datalounge.

Random but things could have been so different, end of 2011 met George when my dog slipped the lead and jumped in his RR after his lab... Bestie I was with is 6'6 and military ran after her and by the time I rounded the corner he and GM are all smiles and chatting... said I was thrilled flurting was alive and well but could I go in his car and get my trollop of a dog... He said "you know dogs are meant to emilate their owner" .. I responded with "well if we're going off that then you're older than me and saggy!!".... My kind of smart mouth he had, he choked on his drink... Friend was put on assignment abroad for 6m...and FF came on the scene, he still struggles knowing that.... Gm was easily led in last 4/5yrs....

R455. Your post is all over the place. I have no idea what you are trying to point out.

R449 It must be such a huge compliment for the creator of the GMforever.com website that it is perceived as a threat to the official website. That`s absolutely ridiculous. If you look at it, nothing what is published there, will ever be found on an official GM website. The official website will never ever transcribe or even translate interviews for fans, for instance. These #reinstatemichaellippman campaigners are delusional in believing this website is the reason why the official website is dormant or even more so, that the GM estate is bothered by the existence of beautiful fansites in general. I actually assume, they are quite pleased with it. Hey, Lippman girls, have you ever considered that a coexistence of an official website and fan websites is possible? Just look araoud, It works pretty well for so many other artists. Their spiteful Twitter posts reek of envy and jealousy. They could have used all their energy for creating a website of theirr own. Instead, they might find out, they have been barking up the wrong tree all along and Lippman is indeed the reason for the GM website`s pity state. I can understand how frustrated they are. Months of campaigning for nothing. They urgently need to move on. Unfortunately, they have nothing constructive to offer, just more Twitter rants and "troll calling".

R457. Celeb fansites are so early 2000s. Who visits those sites. If a celeb is not making a name for themselves on Twitter no one really cares.

R457 At the end of the day, that site will do more to benefit George Michael's legacy. I see it all over Google now when I make a search. That's not easy to beat. The site is reaching people that are not your normal fans who's on social media day and night praising GM.

Despite their fierce propaganda fans love the website. Its posts are shared all over Facebook, even in groups where they are banned for the sake of "political correctness". For God's sake, what else can fans post in groups? The endless picture posting got boring a long time ago. Fan group admins have a hard job keeping lovelies entertained. The old articles and interviews are great to put the focus back on GM. R459 I agree! This website does a lot of more to keep GM's legacy alive than pointless gossip and idiotic fan fights. The ones who want to stop fans from discovering old stuff about GM are definitely the ones who turned a different corner. They turned to fanatism.

R456 you're quite right, I had no business posting after half a bottle of rioja, that's my story but presented abysmally

George at his finest. A tribute for his 56th birthday.

George Michael’s “Band and the GM Singers” performing at the Cowboys and Angels Tribute Concert. Nice to see something positive regarding George Michael’s musical career in this day and age.

R463 Agreed.. .. Was phenomenal... But so hot!!

The Cowboy & Angels concert on GM birthday was a huge success. Funnily enough, it didn't get any press coverage. There might be even a tour of this kind of format, a singalong with fans. What do you think about this?

The Cowboy & Angels concert on GM birthday was a huge success. Funnily enough, it didn't get any press coverage. There might be even a tour of this kind of format, a singalong with fans. What do you think about this?

R466 I'm not sure people will want to pay 60/80 for tickets all over the world, there was someone from Hawaii and New Zealand there that night, GM has a lot of die hard fans for sure, perhaps if they did the duet kind of approach like with Chris Martin and George at the Brits. Not sure the estate will approve, they haven't until now, George wanted to be private as we all know but not having a celebrity driven tribute or even a headstone so they have somewhere to go to I don't think he'd agree with.

R467 You are right, the GM estate didn't endorse this concert and it's unlikely they will do so im the future. However, they let them go ahead on their own account and on their own risk. If they had wanted to, they could have stopped it, but apparently they couldn't be bothered and were ok for it to go ahead.

R467 You are right, the GM estate didn't endorse this concert and it's unlikely they will do so im the future. However, they let them go ahead on their own account and on their own risk. If they had wanted to, they could have stopped it, but apparently they couldn't be bothered and were ok for it to go ahead.

The GMwhistleblower created a Twitter account four days ago. Another troll account with the purpose to raise awareness regarding the state of the legacy management by the GM officials?

The GMwhistleblower created a Twitter account four days ago. Another troll account with the purpose to raise awareness regarding the state of the legacy management by the GM officials?

R470 is it the same stuff that's on IG as it's not coming up ?

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