Paul Manafort was a "sex addict" who made his wife have sex with other men while he watched.

Shitty cunts

I tried to read the transcript, but just couldnt, and there wasn't enough interesting stuff to keep me going. Are there any other details you care to share? If he is, indeed, a sex addict, there have got to be some dick pics out there. I dont' want to see them, but it will be interesting to see how the media handles it.

Apparently he not only made his wife engage in group sex that he watched (he only watched her get gang banged, didn’t participate) but he videoed all of it!

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Wait for this to hit Xvideo !

His wife looks like Caitlyn Jenner.

lol.

His daughters are not going to be very happy about this.

R3 Which begs the question of who he invited to have sex with his wife. Was it a craigslist situation, or were they from his inner circle?

The guy who fucked her.

He wasn't always ugly.

Daughter

Haha!

Do they know who the father is?

Yeah, I'm not reading that transcript. It'll only traumatise me.

Interestingly alt-right loves to use the term 'cuck', which obviously comes from cuckold. Makes you wonder how many of their propaganda creators are into non-mainstream sex.

[quote]His daughters are not going to be very happy about this.

Apparently, the texts confirm that the daughters already knew -- and were none too happy about it.

His daughters knew their father is a sex addict who pressures their mother to get fucked by groups of men against her will. Let that sink in. These are people from Trump’s circle.

[quote]The guy who fucked her.

Such a shame, he was probably an escort.

I thought Liberals were the cucks! lmao.

#FamilyValues

Jesus. Poor lady.

And the daughters...fucking wow. My heart goes out to them.

Very rapey...he wouldn’t stay married to her unless she agreed to do this. Also, he forbade her from disclosing it to her therapist.

He’s a classic abuser. Evil straight, white, rich man.

^ this at r18. These girls coffee clutch about their parents sex life like they’re discussing an episode of Southern Charm. Revolting!!!! I know some families are more open about sex, but mine was not one of them. My mother is a narcissist who always violated my boundaries and would occasionally drop sex bombs, and I wanted to puke every time. And on top of it, their mother TOLD THEM about the videoed gang bangs. Also, the girls call their father’s girlfriend Dre Dogg, and have sympathy for why he’s fucking her.

Wait, so who leaked this?

You Dems are so pathetic trying to make something out of nothing!!! There is nothing wrong with what he did. He is a FAMILY man who values GOD and FAMILY. He could have been running around on his wife fucking everything in sight but he didn't. He remained faithful and found a solution that would keep his marriage strong! You are all so TRIGGERED you can't understand morals and family values because you have none and by the way, whatabout Clinton and oh yeah, Obama!

You know that Ivanka and Don Jr know sordid, sick details about who Donald fucks, and how much he resents fucking Melania. And yeah, I’ll say it, you know he fucks Ivanka and that they all think the world is unable to understand their special relationship because we are poor and unsophisticated.

R24 Supposedly it's just a misinformation campaign by the Russians/Right.

[quote]You know that Ivanka and Don Jr know sordid, sick details about who Donald fucks, and how much he resents fucking Melania

Daddy fucking me is NOT sordid.

Normal family values, I say!

Two words: ROGER STONE.

Longtime business associate of Manafort and purported swinger.

r30 Now how will I be able to keep my breakfast down?

From now until I die?

Robert Hanssen, another American traitor beholden to russia, also liked to watch his wife sleep with other men. Shit, these kooks are fucked in the head.

Kubrick did tell us about the freaky shit that goes on in plain sight among the elite.

This shit is personal. Why is this relevant. I don't think I need to know this.

r34 Schadenfreude. Fuck these people.

Sexual escapades may be private and irrelevant. It may be relevant that this man emotionally enslaved his wife against her will and with their daughters’ knowledge. That is abusive and it shows a pathological behavioral pattern that may suggest he is morally and ethically compromised.

r36 Sure. That, and schadenfreude.

[quote] Fuck these people.

Apparently many people did.

How come this isn't trending on Twitter? Or has it already?

Because the masses are too ignorant to appreciate what this means and the value of Manafort. And the feds don’t give a shit about that, so let’s just enjoy it!

So did they get divorced? He has a girlfriend? And why do the daughters refer to her as DreDog?

r39, cause it don't involve the CLINTONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

r41 I'm guessing the name alludes to her looks.

Roger Stone admits to being a swinger.

R41 lol. His daughters are funny.

Anyone know the girlfriends real name? They also referenced one Amanda Van Sickle who I researched last night. I could only find one picture, she worked for a cyber security firm and now does commercial real estate in DC. In their texts it sounds like she knows the family very very well. She was marginally attractive and younger than wife but that wasn’t Paul’s lover.

The guy in that picture above that someone said fucked sad old Mrs Manafort, is related to Donna Devarona, the 1960s Olympian and actress Joanna Kerns’ sister. So the cast of Growing Pains is involved.

Tracey Gold is the missing link!!

Not trying to victim-blame here, but did he hold a gun to her head? How about saying I don’t want to be married to someone who expects that from me? If he wanted her to dine on homeless feces and wear a barbed wire girdle, as a condition of marriage, would she? Where do these people draw the line?

I think she was getting something out of it, too. Even if just martyrdom.

[quote]I think she was getting something out of it, too.

Yes, a lavish lifestyle thanks to her husband's ill-gotten gains.

I agree with R49. He 'made' her? She was a fool to go along with it.

Of course she was getting something out of it, getting fucked by hot young men is always a good incentive.

R50, okay, there ya go.

If there’s one thing that Dr. Phil has taught me is that people don’t do anything without a payoff of some kind. Even if it’s twisted.

Did y’all even read the texts? His wife is bonkers. She has OCD and instead of fucking her husband she was obsessed with organizing his nightstand drawers. She’s out of her mind, blahblahblah.

Are you guys unfamiliar with the concept of emotional abusers controlling their partners, or do you believe that as long as someone doesn’t throw a person into a basement pit a la Silence of the Lambs, victims deserve to be abused?

r55, honey, Catherine Martin deserved to be abused!

R55, it’s been explained to me. I just don’t think she was FORCED; she consented.

Obviously it’s worth her while to play the sex games.

Manafort is an evil fuck. The daughters texted about him killing people in Ukraine or some such shit. I'm holding off judging the wife just yet.

Makes sense that these guys are into freaky shit. Easier to control an asset when they come with built-in flaws. Likely were targeted because someone knew someone who knew what he was into and they used that to their advantage to approach him.

Horrid

So does the wife have an OnlyFans page yet?

Asking for a friend.

Roger Stone is also a swinger and into the group sex scene.

These are the guys who ran Trump's campaign! And the right-wing Evangelicals have no problem whatsoever with it. It just goes to show you how phony and corrupt these evangelicals really are.

R34, it speaks to his state of mind, it gives more information as to why he made the decisions he did. It also speaks to character, allowing them to better manage and contain the next traitor the russians target.

R63, and what exactly does this say about his state of mind to you?

I just read on Twitter that the wife has a brain injury. Is that true?

His wife had a head injury and is dependent on Manafort who controls her life from what she eats and wears and making her get gang banged by black dudes while he tapes it.

R66 they were black guys? Just curious.

Well, that puts a decidedly evil spin on things. No wonder the daughters were peeved.

The texts of the daughters make it clear to me, because PM insists the sex room have many men with only his wife while he watches, that he himself cannot perform with others (presumably women), and that such group sex is a "condition" for their staying married, that PM is GAY.

Manafort looks like the straight version of Lindsay Graham.

Every bottom gets off seeing different guys pounding and cumming.

I find it really creepy that his daughters texts can be accessed or hacked like that. Guess it means you find just about anything on anybody .

From Aug 2017...

Dysfunctional family. Too much $$$

Sick sick sick

More shit goes on behind closed doors than we can imagine. They’re not the only rich dysfunctional family in the world

Why hasn't this story been picked up by any mainstream media source?

Makes you wonder if pizzagate has some truth...only now with republicans and their families

Just goes to prove that Russian assets are cultivated for their weaknesses.

No story here.

R71 gets it. It isn't really "swinging"; RS and PM don't seem into participation. They (IMO, in case they're reading here) want to watch naked straight men have sex, and use their wives as lures. It might even be WHY they got married.

The difference between these two men is that Mrs. M., according to the texts, hated/hates it. PM made their foreign trips include this activity, so Mrs. M. didn't want to travel anymore (IIRC).

The daughters think their old man needs therapy.

R74 the mainstream media doesn't print these type of stories because they don't want to expose the culture of 1-percenters. They barely touched the Epstein story.

Heterosexual men should be exterminated.

R57 I have often wondered about these "abused " women who keep coming back for more. It reminds me of the college coeds who claim to have been assaulted but then continue to sleep with the guy. I mean yeah he's a scumbag but clearly the women are getting something out of it

So gross.....TMI. I can't bear to read the details....As if we don't already know that these people are FILTH.

I agree with r69 and I believe the story in r72 was planted by Manafort.

Imagine if Paul and Roger were doing the nasty and it gets out ???

R83 maybe Roger was rogering Pauls wife.

True, r75. The repukes project everything.

It’s called “repuking.”

Repukes gonna repuke.

She has a brain injury, people. And her daughters say she’s “dead” inside.

He made her do this against her will. She only did it to keep her marriage.

I feel bad for her. I bet some of the pleasure he derived from it was that she didn’t want it. The only way he can get off is by humiliating women.

So these tweets were those that came out yesterday, the ones that Wikileaks wouldn't publish?

"Paul Manafort was a "sex addict"

That deserves a Man-a-SNORT!

So who did the old skank bang? The Trump brothers? Pepe the Frog?

R52 I think Paul Manoforts wife is the real person behind the identity of "Erna ". She has been posting on the DL all along, regaling us with her exploits.

[quote]I think Paul Manoforts wife is the real person behind the identity of "Erna ". She has been posting on the DL all along, regaling us with her exploits.

We enjoyed uncut Portuguese sizemeat (avec cheese!) last night with Paul!

Discuss!

This is what I mean when I say "every secret thing" is going to come out, I mean *every* secret thing.

Even the ones we wish we didn't know like this one and I'm looking at you Stormy Daniels (but we still love you and your lawyer, mostly your lawyer around here).

R91 Hello Mrs Manafort. I knew you would arrive.

If Erna is Manafort's wife, does that mean Mike Pence's wife is Momma's Mussy, so horny for cage meat? That kinky bitch!

They all nasty-ass skanks.

Typical traditional family values. Criminal HYPOCRITES, all of them.

These aren't even traditional Russian values, this is some fucked up, kinky shit everywhere.

R96 they are only republicunts because they can keep their money and it’s easier to brainwash the idiot every day republicunts!

Who's the cuck now?

God this really does disgust me. He calls himself CONSERVATIVE. Good Lord these people cannot get the death penalty fast enough, fucking perverted traitors. They really are the Nazi Party to a T.

The good part of it is someone is pissed off and dropping bombshells or this is part of Mueller’s rollout to the Bug Bomb. Either way, these fuckers should hang.

I'm not anti-kink, I'm anti-forced-kink. Manafort's a scumbag on so many levels.

These are the very people who polluted people's minds and called us gays inferior, depraved and immoral.

They should all be executed legally by grease fire.

Form the link at R12 it does seem that one of the daughters gas a thing for shady men:

[quote]Until last year, Manafort was married to Jeffrey Yohai, a real estate developer with his own show business connections. “I Heart Huckabees” actor Jacob Hoffman and his father, Dustin Hoffman, invested $3 million in a real estate venture of Yohai’s that went bankrupt in 2016, The Times first reported last year.

[quote]Manafort, along with her mother and father, also invested in Yohai’s snakebitten real estate business, which aimed to build high-end homes in tony Los Angeles neighborhoods, including Bel-Air and in the Bird Streets section of the Hollywood Hills. In all, the three Manaforts put $4.7 million into the projects, which were never completed.

[quote]In May, Reuters reported that Yohai had pleaded guilty to two charges related to his real estate and financial dealings as part of an agreement with the U.S. Department of Justice that requires him to cooperate with other criminal cases — leading to the possibility that he could be asked to help in the prosecution of his former father-in-law.

^ HAS a thing

They do say that people either marry their fathers or their mothers, apparently she chose her father.

Has anybody gone through the rest of the daughters hacked texts and found anything else salacious? Although probably nothing can beat this, I am dying for more dirt and i don't want to scroll through hundreds of thousands of inane texts.

That's the thing, r100. It used to be that political and social conservatism were not one and the same thing. Maybe some overlap, but they were tautologically identical. These days, you have to be one to be the other as well. In any case, I don't think there's any political ideology in which this might be considered excusable.

I meant to say they were NOT tautologically identical.

Thank you for that warm welcome, r93. I am here to take your questions.

Mrs. Manafort, who's the hottest guy your husband has ever made you fuck? And the fugliest?

You just know that she had to fuck Roger Stone. So gross.

Benghazi!!!!

Did he make her suck cock and take it up her ass?

R109 How were the Trump brothers?

Hello, thank you for your questions. The hottest guy I ever had made love to was Jay Leno. The fugliest was a baseball player for the Cubs. There were three of them that night and I didn't catch the fugly one's name.

Paul prefers that I refrain from performing fellatio but yes, I will indulge in the Greek sex on occaision.

The Trump brothers were very generous lovers. I have fond memories of being double-teamed by those boys in Niagara Falls. Paul was kind enough to record the dalliance so that we could watch it later together.

Did Paul jerk off while you were gang-banged or was he too busy with the camera?

None of us, including the daughters, have any idea as to whether or not Mrs. Manafort was actually into this.

Paul Manafort is a criminal for various reasons, but consensual sex that includes multiple partners and his wife, is not a crime if she consented.

What do you think she’s going to tell her daughters? That she liked it?

I dislike Manafort, and the fact that he is complicit in some of the shadiest shit in recent history, but his private sex life is just that, and personally, I cannot believe that DL has become a haven for a slew of fraus who come here to clutch their fucking pearls, because they themselves, haven’t gotten laid in ages.

If men want to be cucks, and their wives go along with the cucking, that is their business, and is in no way, shape, or form, criminal behavior.

Wait...so she really got to ride the cutie @ R10?

R118 To be honest, I don't think many of us are clutching our pearls. I for one am just snickering at the hypocrisy of the whole thing.

R118 And,frankly it would not shock me if his wife was fine with it but didn't want her daughters to see her "that way".

This is newsworthy because kinky sex is one of the things that makes you a target for blackmail. That's why government agencies look into your sex life when they do intensive background checks (along with debts, drug and alcohol problems, and so forth). This is actually very relevant to everything that is going on right now.

R118, I believe the "consensual kink is fine, unconsensual kink is not fine" ethos has been stated in this thread quite clearly and quite a bit earlier in the thread.

R118, you are missing the mark. Most here who are negative on this are because :

A) she’s old and unattractive so who fucks her?

B) how does he procure their services? Are they paid? Either way gross, and a clear sign he’s a closeted gay man,

C) why did she share this info with the daughters?

D) he made the gang bangs on video a CONDITION of him not divorcing her!!!!! More than once.

E) Blackmail material blahblahblah

F) we just hate him so he’s therefore fun to talk about.

I believe that R124 has given a full and comprehensive answer. Well done, R124.

R124 You forgot the part about her traumatic brain injury and resulting questionable mental state.

But that part's not nearly as fun to gossip about, maybe?

Judging by the texts she shared the info with the daughters to prove why their relationship had deteriorated so much and why she felt she could not trust him- she resented that he made group sex a condition of their relationship and only did it to please him but felt terrible about it.

Her brain damage is a pretty good indication why she told her daughters private marital things of that nature.

[quote]Paul Manafort was a "sex addict" who made his wife have sex with other men while he watched.

I read the exact same things about Roger Stone over 20 years ago when he was first outed as a swinger by the ads with pics he placed in X-rated swinger magazines.

[QUOTE]Was it a craigslist situation, or were they from his inner circle?

More the former. The texts say he'd create dating profiles for her and find guys that way, and I'd guess that includes some on Craigslist. They also say she complained about how many of the men were black, and he responded he was trying to find more white guys, but it was mostly black guys who were into it. And some Asians. There were also gang bangs where he'd leave her in the room with a group of men and a camera.

As for why, apparently she had some kind of accident years ago, and the daughters think he started taking advantage of her after the accident and convincing her to do this kind of stuff, especially after an affair he was having ended.

I like the judge who moved this scammer cunt to the shittier jail last week (against his will, he was scamming to get released). I hope he's fucking miserable.

Of course she didn't like it. Manafort would've not continued this if she was enjoying every minute of it. It was all about watching her getting humiliated for what, so she has financial security? I bet he called her a whore on a regular basis and resented gold diggers like her who take advantage of "nice, upstanding" men like him and only use them for their money, power and social status.

[quote]C) why did she share this info with the daughters?

I imagine she wanted someone to know in case something happened to her. during the coerced orgies. Maybe she thought they could turn violent or worse. Manafort was/is connected with all sorts of underworld figures and a lot of people in his orbit have died under mysterious circumstances thought to be hits directed by or for Putin and his cronies. Who knows what Manafort threatened his wife with.

Do posters on this thread really believe she engaged fully willingly and consensually? Really?!

She told the daughters because her and Manafort's marriage was going through a very tough stage (gee, wonder why) and so they were questioning her as to why. In the texts, they start out blaming her and her OCD for alienating their dad, and apparently not planning special enough presents for his birthday, Christmas, etc. Then one day it seems she eventually broke down and admitted what had been going on to one of her daughters, who told the other.

R118 and other "It's irrelevant!" scolds:

Trump and by extension his people are vociferously supported and defended by alleged EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS. Republicans claim to be the Party of "Family Values."

So if they are found to actually hate families and professed moral values enough to force wives into sleazy multiple-stranger sex on camera; to thereby humiliate her and disgust her daughters; and to take nursing infants from their asylum-seeking mothers, the twain never again to meet; or to promote anti-choice laws while paying off a mistress to keep mum about an abortion;

then yes, this information is relevant.

Listen guys, Manafort is a piece of shit of the highest order, and if he coerced this woman after her sustaining a brain injury, then this is rape. But, if she did it of her own free will, then this is meaningless, other than they’re swingers.

And for the poster asking if she liked it: personally, this type of kink, group sex, swinging, has never been something that I have personally engaged in. Not sure that I would. I certainly wouldn’t be into a gangbang situation. However, I’ve met people (women) who are into this type of thing. It is usually the husband’s idea, and they also get fully into it. By the time this goes down, the wife has usually gotten into threesomes, anonymous partners, sex on public areas, etc. Many claim they do it to keep their husbands happy, but after the 10th time, you start to wonder, no?

I understand that everyone is different, but personally, there’s no way in hell that ANYONE could convince me to do something I’m not comfortable with, unless I’m under the influence of drugs and alcohol. However, even then, if I’m not up for a gangbang, it ain’t happening.

What I’m pointing out, is that even though it is highly possible that Manafort’s wife was coerced into these situations, we do not know this for certain. And if she willingly went for it and liked it, it does NOT make her a treasonous cunt, who sold out her country, like her husband did.

Sex is a private thing between the people in the relationship. We don’t know what they agreed to, or who even came up with this idea, and initiated it. And quite frankly, it doesn’t matter, not is it relevant to his guilt.

Manafort was never a government employee. He ran a campaign for Trump, for a specific amount of time. If Trump did or did not vet him, that’s on Trump, not on the FBI, CIA, or anyone, in the Intel Community.

I think that it’s a shame that Mrs. Manafort is being hung out to dry. She doesn’t deserve this level of disclosure, or scrutiny, ESPECIALLY if she was coerced against her will into these situations. Manafort is a piece of garbage, and no one needed to know about this, in order to come to that conclusion.

So Manafort is quite literally a CUCK?

[quote]Sex is a private thing between the people in the relationship.

And the people they're gangbanging with.

"Sex is something between you and the person you're doing it to!"

What gets him off is the MAN fucking his wife that's his focus

No, what got him off was the gagging of his wife from all the jizz she had to swallow. And the bukkake, so many bukkake.

The cuck is usually gay and fantasizing the person receiving is themselves. I feel bad for his wife. I didn't know about the brain injury. I always wondered why she seems so chipper walking to and fro the court room. She is probably either clueless or ecstatic that PM is finally in heading into the clink, well in the clink now.

Ooooooooo r126 is indignant that we have lowered ourselves to discuss the sex life of the great philanthropist, Paul Manafort. R126 is trying to “clean up” Datalounge and restore it to its moral leadership.

I'm not sure how much of this story is true, but if it is Paul should have flipped to keep it out of the press, right? I don't blame Mrs. Manafort but she must have realized (since she's an adult) that the marriage wasn't really working, and she should have left him years ago, taking half his then-fortune.

@106 Cliffs

1. Apparently PM has a BBC, IR fetish. 2. Mrs told her daughters she serviced up to 6 at a time while PM watched and filmed. She hated it. 3. They traveled all over the world doing this. Mrs M says most of the time she was was so drunk she couldn't stand. 4. The timing is unclear but at some point Mrs M flat out refused to cooperate & they quasi separated. 5. Mrs M wanted back with PM but according to the daughters PM told her the group thing would have to continue. Non negotiable. 6. Mrs M had a traumatic brain injury; horse riding accident and/or a car accident. It's unclear, references are made to both. She has OCD and is heavily dependent on Xanex. 7. The daughters don't go into detail but it appears that bc of her injury, PM has legal guardianship over Mrs M. 8. The dtrs waiver btw rage at PM, calling him a rape facilitator and understanding his boredom and blaming the mom, saying she's an empty shell with nothing to talk about except organizing closets. 9. PM forbade Mrs M from discussing any of this with therapists.

Whoa, he had legal guardianship over his wife? Wow. What kind of person takes advantage of such a vulnerable person?

I don't think the evangelicals know about those sex stories. I doubt they really even know who Roger Stone is. They are not smart, nor "worldly". Many of them actively avoid tv and will only watch "christian" programming. They live in a bubble.

So many husbands while away their leisure hours in front of the tv. How clever of Mrs. Manafort to make sure that did not happen to her!

Yet the deplorables were breathless and aghast at credulous rumors about the sex life of John Podesta during the campaign.

This is their chance to show their fair minded standards. Let’s see them condemn the person whose own daughters describe him as a rape enabler.

If it's true, how comes cable news doesn't mention any of this?

I kind of wonder about that too R150 but a lot of the cable shows might be leery of running something as sleazy as this. Maybe they are checking to make sure it's factual.

The heading is apparently incorrect.

Paulie isn't a "sex addict"; he was or still is a major VOYEUR.

R152 Unless you're a PhD in this shit, I'm guessing that it's possible for a sex addict to also be a voyeur.

This post answers some of the questions above. She definitely did not like it or want to do it.

"She was 52 when it started and 44 when the accident happened"

"It's basically rape"

"It's not ok to be fucked by a room of men"

"Did he partake... she said he did partake but he couldn't like get off"

Eeeeeeeewwwwwww

R153, You would have it reversed. It would be: "...possible for a voyeur to also be a sex addict." Because the text messages refer only to the former (PM did not participate), while nothing I'm aware of suggests he was or is the latter.

Did he lick the guy's ass while he was fucking the woman?

That's what dudes say to the str8 guys on Chaturbate all the time.

Dang.

R145 or others: What pray tell is an IR fetish, or rather what do the initials stand for? Googled it unsuccessfully already, before someone tells me to.

Doesn’t IR stand for interracial? And we still haven’t figured out The connection with Tracy Gold and Joanna Kerns.

[QUOTE]What I’m pointing out, is that even though it is highly possible that Manafort’s wife was coerced into these situations, we do not know this for certain.

Except we do know for certain, as she told her daughter she did not like any of it, and was coerced into it all.

[QUOTE]What pray tell is an IR fetish, or rather what do the initials stand for?

Interracial I assume, given the context

R60&R61 Cheers for that definition... Logically follows after BBC. I am becoming old and slow.

[quote] None of us, including the daughters, have any idea as to whether or not Mrs. Manafort was actually into this.

Uh, yeah we do. The daughter kept telling her sister that her mother is the one who told her about this and the wife said she hated it but didn’t want her marriage to end. The wife has a bit of OCD since her head injury and doesn’t seem to be able to face life without her husband because she’s afraid. The daughter also keeps saying that her mother is “a shell” and they both agree their father made her this way. The mother both resents Manafort and is afraid of life without him.

Guys like Manafort and Stone are dangerous because they are insatiable. There isn’t enough money, enough power or enough kinky sex to satisfy them. They always want more.

[quote] she must have realized (since she's an adult) that the marriage wasn't really working, and she should have left him years ago, taking half his then-fortune.

What part of “brain injury from a horseback riding accident that almost killed her” do you not get?

Am I evil because I laughed heartily, at R148’s conclusion?

[quote] What do you think she’s going to tell her daughters? That she liked it?

If she liked it she wouldn’t have told her daughter about it.

Did they ever invite Jason Mraz?

Rick Wilson has been oddly silent about this. A few days before the texts were released, he mentioned he was looking forward to it. Since then... nothing. I wonder why no one is talking about this.

I hope the mainstream media outlets don't wimp out on this one. You just know that if this were a democrat Fox would have 24 7 coverage. Forget the "high road" bs , the Trump followers need to hear this.

Oh who cares about him. On one of the linked reddit pages upthread, someone said " Louise Mensch tweeting last year about how she is withholding information on Ivanka & Jared no one would believe" - what do you think it is?

R170 Ivanka has probably been pimping out Jared in hotel rooms.

This is like Robert Hanssen (Chris Cooper in The Breach).

R171, maybe Trump watches them!

OK. So she was coerced. Fine. It still doesn’t matter, as criminal charges have yet to be levied against him. Perhaps the wife is considering to do so.

This is despicable behavior on Manafort’s part, if true. But why should any of us be surprised about anything these people do? Look at this crowd. They committed treason against their own country, for chrissakes. And for money. They are horrible, horrible people.

The true Deplorables will not care. I grew up in conservative neighborhoods, around conservatives. They are all up to some sort of hanky panky that Jesus doesn’t approve of, but miraculously forgives them for a million times over.

Anyone who believes that it’s OK to cheat on their wife, and to pay for their mistress’s abortion, isn’t going to draw the line at swinging.

That’s the problem with Trump and his devotees. There is no bottom. None. Zero.

If it doesn't matter that she was coerced, why did you even bring it up in the first place? In fact what's the point of any of your posts? You just seem to waffle on, without actually saying anything.

R175, who are you writing to? Please reference your posts to the intended commentator. If you’re responding to me, R174, please make an attempt to read previous comments to mine, in order to make sense of the very sensical post that I wrote.

Are you lazy, or just daft?

Oh do shut up, R176, my post immediately followed yours so it was clearly a response to you. I'm guessing your inability to answer my question of what your point is, is in fact an answer though.

This is pretty sleazy for the mainstream media, maybe they're withholding due to respect for his wife? In the end it doesn't really matter and factor into his case. So the guy is a total pig and sleazebag. We already knew it.

I don’t think the mainstream media reported on the daughters’ texts when some were made public last year...the ones about Ukraine murders and “we just show up and eat the lobster,” (which is a wonderful phrase, btw)

Be right back..I'm going to check Myvidster to find some Mr and Mrs Manafort cuckolding vids.

R177, I’ve posted several times throughout the thread, as you well know, since you’re focused on attacking me. I didn’t bring up that she was coerced. Others responded to me, offering information showing that the wife was coerced. And it actually DOES matter if she was coerced.

Secondly. I am not waffling. If she wasn’t coerced, this is a non story, and none of our business. If she was coerced, it is still none of our business, but points to the despicable character of Manafort.

Stop nailing me to the cross for participating in a thread that has close to 180 replies. I didn’t start this thread. If you don’t like what I have to say, then fuck off, and block me, cunt.

Damn, with all that money at her disposal for so many years you’d think his daughter (in R12 photo) could’ve gotten some plastic surgery.

This is a really, really HORRIBLE story that needs to come out, but it's so blatant and terrible I almost wonder if Mueller has the goods on this material and even more (there surely must be with a piece of trash like Manafort) and is using it currently to squeeze him in his in umpcoming invesrigation. I mean it's all right THERE.

[QUOTE]I didn’t bring up that she was coerced

Really?

[QUOTE]What I’m pointing out, is that even though it is highly possible that Manafort’s wife was coerced into these situations, we do not know this for certain.

Huh.

[QUOTE]And it actually DOES matter if she was coerced.

Really?

[QUOTE]OK. So she was coerced. Fine. It still doesn’t matter, as criminal charges have yet to be levied against him. Perhaps the wife is considering to do so.

Huh.

You're a piece of shit who keeps posting how much you dislike Manafort, and yet you do nothing but attempt to minimise what he did to his wife. First by suggesting she was into it - despite the fact that the texts in OP's post clearly state she wasn't. And then by using the "they all do it" line and claiming it's none of our business.

Oh shut up, you two. Nobody cares about your bulleted argument

So, the daughters knew what was going on, but didn't take action (out of fear?)?. They could've taken their mom away from Paul Manafort and taken care of her themselves and start the legal proceedings of being her new legal guardians.

Riiiiiight r186, knowing he is a mercenary for tyrants, and knowing he’s directly involved in murders, I’m sure they had no fear of fear ol’ Pops.

Somehow this must make it into the public knowledge/conversation....

[quote]If it's true, how comes cable news doesn't mention any of this?

Because these are a”stolen” texts, much like the emails the Russians stol from the DNC. Many in the media reported breathlessly on those but thy’ve now decided it’s not ethical — and, really, I have to agree with them. Mrs. Manafort and her daughters are private citizens, and there’s no guarantee the Russians didn’t edit the texts. I think this is really juicy and salaciously entertaining, but there’s no need for it to be splashed all over CNN. Manafort’s going down regardless.

Lets not forget that Manafort hand-picked Mike Pence as Trump's Vice-President.

Now if they had video of Mike Pence participating in one of the gang bangs...

It's kind of hard to believe.

I would Be Marie of Romania, r191.

[quote]brain injury from a horseback riding accident that almost killed her

Heh, heh, heh ...

Months ago, when the news first came out about the daughters’ texts, wasn’t there a comment about the wife wanting a divorce, but Manafort wouldn’t give her one because he didn’t want her testifying against him? More or less, something to the effect that when you’re a mob wife, you’re in until death and she knew too much. Maybe that’s why the sex stuff, blackmailing the wife to keep his secrets. Which must be really bad if he’s that scared.

At that time, none of this sex stuff was mentioned but the impression I got was that the wife hated and feared Manafort but couldn’t leave.

It sounds like Manafort may have a conservatorship over the wife. If so, there may be a judge that very minimally has charge of Mrs Manafort’s welfare. If somebody had brought this to his attention he could have jailed Manafort and got a court appointed new conservator. Assuming he wasn’t a Manafort pal and helping Manafort. People with conservatorships can’t legally sign papers or do anything without the conservator’s permission.

high dollar pimp, exactly what he looks like. Are those daughters his? Who can know.

Manafuck

R62, this is not uncommon in DC and involves people from both parties. Yes, it is hypocritical. The group sex and cross dressing seem especially big among defense contractors, feds and lawyers. Hoover would be proud of his legacy, I suppose.

I got messaged by a guy once that worked in dc/governement and he sent me a link to photos and videos of all the orgies and gangbang he hosts. The link still works, should I post it?

Omg YES post it!! Are you crazy? You must post it!!

DC is so creepy. All the people are icy cold and uptight, devoid of any real warmth and obsessed with status. Their freaks behind closed doors despite the outward conservatism. DC is strange in the sense that everyone seems to vote democrat but be extremely conformist and conservative in their day to day life, more like suburbanites. I think it's because Washington attracts controlling government types, not creatives. I actually find NYers to be warmer and more open minded.

For these high society people swinger orgies are just like any other social events where they affirm their power by inviting ambitious underlings (or wives) willing to degrade themselves any way their masters want.

201 here . Before the grammar troll arrives, I meant they are,not their.

Bar Nun had quite a few swingers nights popular with the lawyer/political staffer/defense contractor crowd. woe to those who wandered in on the wrong evening. The group sex/swinging go hand in hand with drugs and heavy drinking but that never seems to impact security clearances. Hmmm.

R200 Oh wait my bad he doesn’t work for the goverment he works for the national automobile dealers association ,some of those videos are pretty hot though

[quote] They could've taken their mom away from Paul Manafort and taken care of her themselves and start the legal proceedings of being her new legal guardians.

I too wondered about that. The inaction doesn't add up with their supposed outrage and concern over their mother's mistreatment.

Gregory (Scotland Yard detective): "Is there any other point to which you would wish to draw my attention?"

Holmes: "To the curious incident of the dog in the night-time."

Gregory: "The dog did nothing in the night-time."

Holmes: "That was the curious incident."

Manacuck.

Story still got no national media attention.

wait. for real? that young looking guy actually banged his wife? WTF? Her hole must be huge! how can anyone come in that loose canyon?

R209 some guys will fuck anything Rose.

well, he's old and probably can't get it up anymore. did he have prostate cancer? I hear people who recovered from this have dick problems too. does the blue pill work for those cases?

I think getting 6 black guys to gang bang his wife and film it and put it on the dark web was to degrade her, he is a degenerate soul and gets off on watching his wife's degeneration. He is a sick fuck, he told the wife that his daughters were into getting fucked by black guys too because one of the daughters found BBC porn on his computer when she was 11.

He claimed no white guys wanted to fuck her but that was likely a lie, he wanted to see her get fucked by BBC because he sees blacks as beneath them.

Icky-ca-ca

Guys like Manafort love to corrupt and destroy and if they get paid for that they love it even more, because they feel validated by those who pay them.

Of course guys like Manafort need people to play his game. And some idiots are willing to play it thinking it will be very benefitial for them (yeah, r ight).

The wife must be doped up to do this. I can't image a woman her age has to do this...or did she love it? This is like the fucking movies....

I think the more straight laced, the more perverted they are behind closed doors.

R215, nice of you to join us. Do you think the wife loved it or was she brain damaged?

R208 the media is doing the "high road " bullshit. You just know that if this was a democrat Fox News would be running 24 7 coverage. The media needs to address this now . They were all over Bill Clinton and Lewinsky and yet they won't discuss this? Unbelievable.

R15 How right you are. Reminds me of a phrase my mum is fond of: "still water runs deep".

^R215

I feel sorry for the wife if she was coerced into this after her brain injury. She doesn’t deserve to have her name dragged further through the mud.

Me too, R220.

I hope she is able to cease contact with him.

Depraved does not even begin to describe someone who would do this to his spouse with a brain injury. I would be surprised if he was not monetizing the videos in some way.

She has a brain injury? Sorry but I didin't know this...

Kathleen is a lawyer who graduated from George Washington University in 1979, the year after she reportedly married her husband. She has given money to her alma mater over the years, and is listed as a donor in the school's president's report for the years of 1986 , 1990 , and 1992 , according to Archive.org .

In 1984, the couple attended a state dinner for Dominican Republic President Salvador Jorge Blanco, the Washington Post reported . Manafort was a partner in the DC lobbying firm Black, Manafort and Stone at the time. The Manaforts have two daughters — Jessica, who was born in 1982 and Andrea, who was born in 1985.

Kathleen subsequently earned her J.D. from Georgetown in 1988, and passed the Virginia bar the same year, according to The Washington Post . Kathleen was also admitted to the DC bar in 1991. Her various degrees are listed in online legal databases like LegalDirectories.com and Lawyers.com .

Over the years, Kathleen had a hand in some of the couple's major purchases.

The Manaforts have bought numerous in Florida, Virginia, New York, according to NBC , including a Trump Tower apartment together in 2006 and a horse farm in Wellington, Florida.

And in March, allegedly hacked text messages between the Manaforts' two daughters Andrea and Jessica indicated that their parents' marriage was in trouble.

Business Insider reported Andrea appeared to to say her parents couldn't go through a "public divorce" because it would unearth "too many skeletons."

All this shit about Manafort makes me wonder what other powerful/political marriages are like behind closed doors.

They don't fuck. (Like Fat Fuck Trump and his whore)

They fuck other people.

A lot, R225.

Lots of psychopaths in DC, NY, LA, London.

They like to fuck with the head of their spouse and toy with people.

Cannot but wonder what the purpose of the videos was (extra humiliation or $ or ???) and where they are.

Remember how creeped out Melania looked when meeting Putin? I wonder what she had to do, she's obviously no prude but I bet Putin had some sick shit in mind with her. According to the daughters texts, Manafort would have his wife engage in the gang banging black men (sometimes Asian) whenever they traveled overseas.

R227 based on personal experience, I suspect DC has the highest rate of sociopaths compared even to NY and LA. It doesn't attract people who are creative like NY or even needy like LA. Just type a assholes obsessed with obtaining power.

And abusing it, R229.

The media haven't touched this right?

R231 no. They are doing the "high road " bullshit. Amazing how they won't touch this but they obsessed over every time Weiner sent one of his pathetic sexts. Makes you wonder how "left wing" they really are.

R231 If the media [cable newsers] go after Manafort for group sex and fetish stuff, that immediately will open the floodgates to each and every one of their closets. And there is a TON of stuff in them that make Manafort's group sex look like Sunday School comparatively.

R232 REMEMBER: The most recent Weiner scandal/crime was producing child porn by Skyping with an underage girl and enticing her to get naked. So it's completely different than Manafort. As far as the prior stuff, his cock shot was suppressed until Opie and Anthony shared it to the world -- only then did the media make it a big to-do.

R234 Meh. The teenage girl in the weiner scandal is now involved in another scandal, this time she got caught sleeping with her high school teacher. Clearly she's a Randy gal . No judgement from me( I mean it ) but this is not a little kid we are talking about here.

R235 You realize that the law clearly states that pornography featuring anyone under 18 is classified as child pornography. There are SEVERAL States where the age of consent is an age less than 18 so you can legally fuck/get fucked, frolic naked with that person, but one nude selfie of that person in your possession will send you to jail and put you on the sex offender registry for child porn.

R236 I understand that but if Manafort did even half of what is alleged, why isn't it being reported by the media? Why do they jump on every democratic scandal and then pretend that this never happened. Yeah, Weiner and Clinton are creeps but I am sick of the double standard. And if this woman is as brain damaged as is alleged it's possible laws were broken .

R233 fascinating theory. I know that the beltway journalists run in the Same social circles as the people they are supposed to be reporting on. They sure had no issue shrieking about Clinton's improprieties though.

well, how do we know these transcripts weren't altered in some way? they were hacked right? is there concrete proof? The media doesn't want egg on their faces and the last thing they want is to give the right wing an excuse to get on their case.

I thought one of the features of these cuckold situations, at least in porn, is that the "cuck" eats the woman out after she gets creampied? I wonder if PM lapped up all the seed after his poor wife was fucked (raped) by all of the anonymous men.

why are there so many cucks right now is beyond me

Usually cuckolding is about the man being the humiliated one while his wife has the time of her life with a partner of her choosing. But I don't think that's what the Manaforts were doing. Paul was degrading his wife by picking partners she didn't like and she would have to have undignified sex with them. I wouldn't be surprised if he picked smelly hobos she had to service in front of him, dick cheese 'n all. This is more something on the line of a sugar daddy demanding from his trophy "wife" or boy toy to entertain him while he sits back and enjoys the show (aka the humiliation of the ones he pays for to be with him).

Did Roger Stone really post nude photos looking for swinging partners?

The idea of Paul Manafort having sex with anyone is rather repugnant to me.

Lol r138

Who hacked the daughters' emails and why?

This is mostly humiliating to the wife, so she is the one who would be hurt more if there was wide coverage of it.

I also think the media/ politicians might think there is a possibility that it could open the floodgates to all of their stuff if it was discussed.

god dammit this belongs on cnn and MSNBC now!!!!

manfort should be boiled alive for doin this shit. lawdy….why don't his daughters poison him????

The wife had a traumatic brain injury that still effects her functioning well, to this day, allegedly.

If that is indeed the case, which I strongly suspect it is, the media is not running this in order to give her a break. And honestly, she deserves it.

Allegedly, Manafort would get her drunk, to the point where she couldn’t even walk, when he had her participate in this stuff. I’m pretty sure that these tapes were found by law enforcement. They most definitely reviewed these tapes, if they found them. Any decent human being would hold back on pushing this in the media for the sake of the incapacitated wife.

Manafort is getting nailed. We don’t need to see his poor wife further humiliated, nationally. What’s the point?

Personally, I wouldn’t put this type of thing out there regarding a middle aged woman who was abused by her husband due to a brain injury. It’s just common decency.

They also run in social circles with Jeff Epstein, R238. Kouric, Georgie, etc. This was post conviction and incarceration. Those 2 are parents of young girls to boot.

[quote] It’s just common decency.

By the ratings obsessed media? Sure, Jan. More likely they were told to hold back.

What R249 said. For all intents and purposes, Mrs. Manafort was a rape victim and the media policy is not to reveal their identities. And the average rape victim doesn't experience the level of degradation and violation that Mrs. Manafort did.

Then there is the issue of souring. The details of rapes usually only come out during court proceedings. These details came out through hacking, an illegal activity. Would any large media outlet go out on a limb and publish? After that, there's the issue of verification. How would they go about verifying that the transcripts are real? Wouldn't they also have to try to validate the stories by trying contacting people who might have been involved in setting up these "orgies." Of course, no one involved will implicate themselves.

She really looks out of it. I'm guessing she's addicted to some meds.

R227 that is a pretty broad brushstroke regarding people in DC. There are plenty of normal people in this city. Not everyone is a sociopathic asshole. They do exist but it is unfair characterization of the city. There are large international, non-profit, NGO and creative sectors in DC.

R254 No not everyone but the percentage is disproportionate , even for an urbanized environment. And even the non sociopathic Washingtonians tend to be uptight,cold, and deeply unpleasant.

Who hacked and found this info?

[quote]The guy who fucked her.

Is that a James Bond movie?

R238 The actual Clinton stuff was revealed through the Star Report (Monica), Lawsuits (Paula) and under the table by Democrat Primary Opponents (Gennifer Flowers); all very public moves. Sure Michael Isakoff broke the Monica news but it was days(?) before the publication IIRC. In all of those Clinton cases sex was THE issue; the only element of the scandal.

another deplorable bites the dust.

r172 Hanssen was more of an exhibitonist. He didn't make his wife have sex with other men. However, according to Wikipedia:

"At Hanssen's suggestion, and without the knowledge of his wife, a friend named Jack Horschauer, a retired Army officer, would sometimes watch the Hanssens having sex through a bedroom window. Hanssen then began to secretly videotape his sexual encounters and shared the videotapes with Horschauer. Later, he hid a video camera in the bedroom that was connected via closed-circuit television line so that his friend could observe the Hanssens from his guest bedroom. He also explicitly described the sexual details of his marriage on Internet chat rooms, giving information sufficient for those who knew them to recognize the couple."

What cracks me up about Hannsen is that he was an Opus Dei nutter. At least Manafort isn't a hypocrite; his only gods are himself and money:

[quote]A priest at Oakcrest said that Hanssen had regularly attended a 6:30 a.m. daily mass for more than a decade.[61] Opus Dei member Father C. John McCloskey III said he also occasionally attended the daily noontime mass at the Catholic Information Center in downtown Washington. After going to prison, Hanssen claimed he periodically admitted his espionage to priests in confession. He urged fellow Catholics in the Bureau to attend mass more often and denounced the Russians, even though he was spying for them, as "godless".[62]

I'm sure he still thinks he's going to heaven.

I bet trump encouraged this depravity and paul sends the vids to him asap. u know that bastard trump luvs that shit.

she had to do this stuff so she and the kids could keep livin the good life

that fukker Manafort !!!

Perhaps Mrs Manafort should have done a better job stating her boundaries.

I wonder if he'll copy a please minutes before trial is to start.

Manafort made fucking black men a condition for staying married to him, she drank so she could go through with fucking them. According to the daughters texts, he was mad Mrs. Manafort wasn't enjoying herself enough, he wanted her to get off but she wasn't into it. It went on for 10 years until she found out he had a mistress, by the time of the texts, she had refused to fuck anymore men and he was threatening divorce unless she complied.

Guys like him are sick, despicable souls and they want to see their partners equally morally corrupted, that is what excites them.

Was Manafort impotent? Did he lose his ability to get a hard on after his daughters were born?

I wonder why straight men are into this. A former friend of mine did this with her husband. She’d fuck other men while he hid in the closet and watched.

Honestly, I don’t get the turn on here.

Whatever.

This is for real? it sounds so fake!

I knew a couple who engaged in a very similar thing -- white couple, black men, gang bang. The only difference was that in addition to alcohol, coke was almost always present.

The marriage was abusive, to the point of broken bones. The woman had children from a previous relationship and he would threaten to put them out on the street if she didn't comply. I am convinced he was a sociopath. As was mentioned upthread, I also think he was deeply closeted and used his wife as a surrogate. (Yes, the "gang bangs" included anal and oral.)

I think the question of consent in these types of situations is muddled -- the wife felt trapped in some capacity, and as if she had no other choice. The drugs, I have noticed, are usually a big factor in these types of relationships. The guy actively tries to get his partner hooked, or finds a partner who is already an addict, so that he has an additional rope with which to ensnare her.

Straight women will do a lot sexually to hold onto a man. They tolerate things they probably aren't 100% comfortable with, because there is some payoff, usually in the form of financial security. Was it Bertrand Russell who said, "The total amount of undesired sex endured by women is probably greater in marriage than in prostitution."

R269, He likely meant sex with brutish husbands, not total strangers.

I know what he meant, r270. I was looking at his more general sentiment -- what women are willing to tolerate sexually.

latent homosexuality

R269, it's called self-medicating and it's well known in abusive relationships. The person being abused seeks chemical relief... and is then punished for using by the abuser.

In these relationships, everything is a test and you will never pass. The abuser is auditor, policeman, judge, and jury.

He sounds awful.

I think someone like him does this stuff because his life is meaningless.

He must be a psychopath. I wonder what he has done that we don't know about...

The long con failed when Comey blabbed, so the syndicate has resorted to a smash&grab approach. It's why the bribes are so blatant.

I knew this one VERY sick fuck who went to my cocaine anonymous meetings. There was a girl who was trying to get sober. She had a history of relapsing, and her self esteem was non existent.

Anyhow, this sick fuck ended up hooking up with this girl. He would find her at meetings, and take her back to his house, and get her high as fuck on free base cocaine, and booze. He have her do three ways with him, gangbangs, the whole nine yards. He’d film all of it too, and would tell her that if she didn’t continue to comply, he’d share the porn footage with all of her friends.

She finally ODed on a speedball. We all went to the hospital to see her, and she broke down and told us what was going on. I was in my mid 20s when this happened. She was a few years younger than I.

We moved her into my condo, and had someone with her while I was at work, all day. We babysat her for about 2 months. We even had a restraining order filed against the guy.

He was an absolute piece of shit. He tried to coax her back into the vicious cycle of drugs and coerced sex many times, and the sad thing is that one day, he finally succeeded.

We never saw her again. Or him. Fucked up and true story. Oh, and he stayed sober through the entire ordeal. He had 13 years.

I've been watching Ari Melber and his guests on Rachel Maddow's show discussing the focus of Manafort's trial. It is about the tax evasion on the undeclared $60M he was paid by Ukraine/Russia. Witnesses lined up for the prosecution are Manafort's tailor and landscaper, presumably to provide evidence about how he used the money to finance his ridiculously lavish lifestyle. I wonder if his expenditures to procure the orgy participants might somehow come up. I assume they'll also be looking at large cash withdrawals that did not seem to wind up being used for legal activities. He had to have paid some substantial sums across the years to satisfy his sexual appetite that would make it look like a large chunk of money is unaccounted for. Mueller et al. must have the tapes, right?

I want to see mika and joe discussing this sordid tale on their shit show.

His daughters are disgusting cunts. They want the parents to get counseling? After what the dad did to the mom? Silly, fucking greedy cunts. They know where the money is and they'll support their dad no matter what

And manafort laundered a lot of the money with his daughters. He bought them luxury homes and paid to have them remodeled/decorated

I couldn't find anything on Google about his wife having any type of injury, much less a brain injury

unreal that none of the networks re touching this....

R282 That are such fucking wimps. Do you think fox news would think twice about covering this if it involved democrats? Considering the puritanical shrieking they engage in every time a dem is caught with his pants down this is just rich

[quote] This is for real? it sounds so fake!

The easily observable fact it has gained exactly zero traction outside here would hit that it's just a successful trolling.

no kidding, fox be running it in every segment: DEMOCRAT PIMPS OUT HIS WIFE TO BLACK ….shit theyr all owned by the same 12 familys that control ev dam thing. only independent websites carry a smidgen of the truth.

The texts came out a year ago, Manafort already admitted they are real. They aren't being covered probably out of respect for the wife and that they don't have anything to do with the crimes they are trying him for, outside of what leaked last year.

How would Manafort know that the text between his daughters are real or not?

Now it turns out he has a $15,000 ostrich coat. It’s ugly. And his clothes are on the news. ??? What’s wrong with this guy?

Well, he obviously has a compulsive spending problem. Ken Delanian on MSNBC yesterday reported that jurors heard that he dropped something like $320K on one Beverley Hills tailor, one among a number of clothiers.

So Manny caved to prevent his wife being dragged through the mud?

Too lazy to read the whole thread, but i hope the poor lady at least got some hot young hookers to fuck her. Kavanaugh could afford it, no?

I meant Manny* not Kavanaugh

So Manafort is a "cuck"?

Yes...

R23 My mother was the same way.