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JFK (1991)

It's still a remakrable film, if only in terms of its editing and cinematography (for both of which it deservedly won Oscars). Not a single film looked quite like it when it was released, and its lightning fast editing and intentionally confusing cinematography (you NEVER get a good look at the actors who stand in for Jack or Jackie, except in the Zapruder film or in stills) is still breathtaking today. And it has what I consider the very best of John Williams's scores (which is really saying something), which genuinely conveys both dread, evil, and the forward movement of the news.

However, it's still got ridiculous things about it, although they almost make it all the more fun. Almost no serious conspiracy theorists think that LBJ had anything to do with the assassination, although the film heavily implicates him as THE key figure (acting in concert with the US military, the CIA, and the mob). Kevin Costner looks nothing like Jim Garrison, and has one of the worst fake Louisiana accents you have ever heard in your life. And there's hilariously ridiculous dialogue that has been much quoted: "We're through the looking glass, people"; "Who did the president, who killed Kennedy, fuck man! It's a mystery! It's a mystery wrapped in a riddle inside an enigma! The fuckin' shooters don't even know! Don't you get it?"; "When Kennedy gets in the kill zone, it's a TOI-KEY shoot!", etc.

(My favorite camp moment is when the actress who plays poor Marina Oswald comes before the cameras after her interview with the Warren Commision and thanks Earl Warren, which she did in real life, and looks like she's been hypnotized.)

Is anyone else a fan of this movie? For good or ill, it will be the film by which Oliver Stone will be best remembered

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by Anonymousreply 15July 13, 2018 11:18 PM

The parts of your post that I could understand, I would mostly agree.

But, for real, maybe don't type when you've been drinking.

by Anonymousreply 1July 13, 2018 10:10 PM

I’m not sure about that last sentence

by Anonymousreply 2July 13, 2018 10:13 PM

[quote]Almost no serious conspiracy theorists think that LBJ had anything to do with the assassination,

That's not true. There is a huge contingent that thinks LBJ was involved or at least knew about it and participated in the cover-up.

It's actually one of the bigger categories - though I'm admittedly not trolling the message conspiracy nut message boards.

by Anonymousreply 3July 13, 2018 10:14 PM

An epic movie, OP. And you touched on all the salient points regarding the film itself.

It really was an incredible cinematic masterpiece, even the flaws you mentioned were accurate.

by Anonymousreply 4July 13, 2018 10:15 PM

R4=OP

by Anonymousreply 5July 13, 2018 10:17 PM

Cinematicsally, a great film.

Thematically, Stone helped normalize ridiculous conspiracy theories. There's a direct cultural route from this movie to Pizzagate.

by Anonymousreply 6July 13, 2018 10:19 PM

R5, I’m not the OP, just a huge fan of this movie.

Saw it in the theatre numerous times, had it on VHS, DVD and now Blu-Ray. It’s just an incredible movie, as long as you realize it’s fiction.

by Anonymousreply 7July 13, 2018 10:27 PM

Conspiracy theorism has grown proportionately with fear (mostly of the unknown) along with the feeling that we, as individuals, matter less.

Most studies point toward three key desires: 1) understanding and certainty; 2)control and security; 3) support of a positive self-image.

Strangely, it's probably also why religion is on the upswing.

When bad things can happen to anyone at any time without warning or explanation, you have no control. If an event, like Kennedy's assassination, was the result of a planned and organized effort, rather than a lone crazy guy toting a gun, it gives people a sense both of an explanation and the potential to punish the "real" culprits.

I'd argue that the reason the movie resonates so strongly with people is that it taps into those feelings.

by Anonymousreply 8July 13, 2018 10:30 PM

I thought LBJ ducked right before the shot.

Personally I like the conspiracy theory that Jackie took him out with the gun she had hidden in her huge lap bouquet of roses.

by Anonymousreply 9July 13, 2018 10:34 PM

Didn't RFK think LBJ had something to do with it?

A lot of people do not think Oswald acted alone.

by Anonymousreply 10July 13, 2018 10:36 PM

I love it. I've seen it many times, but probably not the whole thing in one sitting since the first time I saw it in a theater. So many great scenes...Donald Sutherland's exposition drop is still a joy to behold. Gary Oldman was simply amazing. I could go on...

Was it the catalyst for the very paranoid 90s, or did it simply encapsulate the zeitgeist? Regardless, it's a cultural landmark.

(And I've been walking around muttering, "Let justice be done though the heavens fall!" since Nov. 2016.)

by Anonymousreply 11July 13, 2018 10:39 PM

God, I hadn't seen this in years. I can't really add much to what the OP said about it: I remember it as being part camp and part technical brilliance.

Regarding the conspiracy theories about LBJ, there's a picture of him straight after being sworn in on Air Force One, and he has turned around to look at someone who seems to be grinning and winking.

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by Anonymousreply 12July 13, 2018 10:50 PM

Oliver Stone is a very dangerous propagandist in the truest sense of the word; his entire film technique is steeped in 1930s and 1940s style propaganda, because he is enamored with those types of movies. JFK was straight out of the Nazism/Cold War/WW2 disinfo handbook, right down to picking pitch perfect doppelgangers and blending in real life footage to blur the distinction between the two in the minds of the audience.

by Anonymousreply 13July 13, 2018 10:52 PM

Cinematically, it was a big flashy mess, with bad acting (even Gary Oldman's channeling of Oswald was overdone), the subtlety of a drill pressed into the skull, and the shrill EVERYONE LISTEN TO MEEEEEEE! that typifies Oliver Stone. Its supposedly "sophisticated" editing was not much more than faster cuts and lots of games with film stock (all of which had been done before, and more creatively.)

Apart from all that, I suppose it's good for whiling away a few hours in a dark, cold theater.

by Anonymousreply 14July 13, 2018 11:04 PM

Tommy Lee Jones stole the show and I thought the campiness hit its crescendo with John Candy trying to play creole.

by Anonymousreply 15July 13, 2018 11:18 PM
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