My Coworker Got Fired For Lying On Her Resume

Nope. I would absolutely fire someone that lied about having a degree. Shows your character.

I would have fired her as well. A former coworker of mine flat out lies on his resume and more or less says he held my role at the company - he didn't, he worked in the call center. I managed all of our SEM campaigns there for years, and he goes and tries to brand himself as some SEM/SEO expert.

You have to wonder if this coworker did something to trigger this verification. Maybe the HR person did not like her? Verifying a job reference from ten years ago seems a bit much.

As for lying about the degree — fake it til you make it, baby.

I am guessing your co-worker is white. Minorities know that their resumes and references will be checked.

Was your co-worker claiming an M.D.? That's problematic.

Did you get him fired, R2?

HR throwing their weight around. Power trippers. Human Remain indeed.

More firings will follow, OP. r5 is right

Meant to say, r7 is right. Apologies

It really depends on the job and the alleged degree. Some degrees and positions can’t be faked! Others, not really a problem especially after ten years.

Resumes can be tricky things, tell the truth on them and you don't get the job.

For years I was one class shy of completing my degree (I got a job my last semester of college and had one elective left). I tried over the years to finish it but life always got in the way.

For ten years I let it stress me out that I’d be discovered as a fraud, even lying to my partner that I had my degree. Was so relieved when I finally took an online course to satisfy the requirement and got the degree. Amazes me I was never caught.

If you cannot trust an employee or co-worker you have to fire them.

People who lie on their resumes will lie about other things as well.

Here’s the deal. In your personal life interactions with friends, family,and partners are an ongoing negotiation. You have a great emotional investment and there is always a degree of capitulation with others.

Your work life is primarily transactional. Co-workers and HR may have opinions about you, but these relationships usually don’t become deep and long term.

Reputation and performance are the key factors in determining success at a job. If you come to the table prevaricating, the likelihood is that you will less than honest in your career.

I can’t believe so many people think it’s OK to lie.

I recently was involved in a situation where an employer was checking an 8 year earlier hire who lied when she said she had completed a degree, though she failed her final class. She got fired.

R6, no - actually it was the other way around. I got laid off when the company was acquired, and he got to stay on board for several more months as part of the "transition team" because he was an ass kisser. It pisses me off with stuff like Linkedin, because people are seeing his and my profiles in various search results, and he's flat out lying about a role that I solely held there by saying that he was part of our "team". There was no team on these accounts, it was just me.

(Quote]Your character is who you are

Indeed. That so many people think rampant lying is okay is depressing.

In a capitalist society where most work is classifed as 'at will' employment and the employer needs no reason whatsoever to hire you or fire you, it's silly to ask if it is "OK" to lie on a resume. Morality has never been an element of the immoral 'at-will' employment scheme.

It is, however, not smart - in most cases - to lie on a resume. That is an unassailable reason for firing an employee and one which will definitely block the employee from collecting under Unemployment Insurance. The risk is on the employee who fabricates a resume credit. But if you desperately need to obtain a job, then you might have good reason to embellish. But it comes with risk. Avoid it whenever possible.

Airline pilot. Heat surgeon. Things like that. Absolutely not EVER okay to lie on a resume.

Accounts Payable II. Receptionist. Sales Manager. Your employers lie all the time. Just know there is risk.

What r18 said.

One other thing R6, it's personally insulting for another person to piggyback on the hard work that I did at that particular job for years, it's the equivalent of lying about having a degree. I majored in art back in the 90's but ended up self teaching myself SEO and SEM and web design at the same time, at a time when it was difficult to find people with that skill set. The university I graduated from wasn't even offering any courses or programs related to that field at the time, and ad platforms like Google AdWords were still in their infancy at the time. That's primarily how I landed the job - I got the job offer the same day (actually within an hour) after interviewing. Fast forward a few years later, and this fuckhead who stole my job decides he wants to re-imagine himself as an "expert" in the field, with no significant hands on experience working with accounts that large. We were spending close to $1M a month at the time.

The other thing that infuriates me about the whole "fake it till you make it" mentality, is because such lying is denying your employer from hiring legitimately qualified employees. It's a nightmare working along side people who are just winging it, and making their lack of experience your problem and the company's problem.

[QUOTE] ended up self teaching myself SEO

Where, Mary? The School of Redundancy School?

r20, could your co-worker do the job? How long was he able to fake it?

Lying about a fake degree...should be fired.Some of us actually went to college.

You can fudge certain facts on a resume, but saying you had a degree when you didn't is an out and out lie. There is no way around it.

This will follow her to whatever job she applies for. So anyone reading this thread, whatever you write on your resume, be prepared to back it up with proof.

Oh FFS. If she's a good, valuable employee, her employer won't get rid of her for something like this unless the company is under some kind of regulatory control that requires it or unless they were looking for an excuse to fire her. You really think they care about her "character"? Is this a non-profit or something? Church work? Businesses are nasty and cutthroat and filled with people who lie for a living. What morally pure organization do you work for?

One of my staffers lied about finishing her degree. Turns out she was one semester shy. The salary she was hired at was for a degreed hire. Almost two years after she started, the HR department started doing background checks and degree verifications on new hires.

HR came to a senior staff meeting to present the new background system. She was one of the audience members and asked questions critical of the process. The presenter explained that it was designed to protect the integrity of the organization, etc., then said, "let me demonstrate!" She input my assistant's data.

Oops. In front of a large group of senior administrators, she was revealed not to have completed her BA/BS. She was terminated for cause immediately. The following months ferreted out a few others, most of whom were sourpusses who had made work miserable for a lot of us. I can say without reservation that background checks and degree verifications have improved the workplace immensely.

Brain surgery shouldn't require degrees, OP.

Your coworker should have said that POTUS lies all the time and he hasn't been fired.

I worked for a CEO who destroyed our company and it went out of business. He later became CEO of another company where they eventually found out he lied about having a Masters Degree. They fired him. No worries, he’s now CEO of another major company. White privilege.

[quote]You can fudge certain facts on a resume, but saying you had a degree when you didn't is an out and out lie. There is no way around it.

Exactly. Everyone "massages" their resume to make certain things sound more impressive or more tailored to the job than it actually was. That's normal, people expect that.

But completely fabricating bullshit crosses a line.

Depends on several factors.

1. Whether the person has a public-facing role in a company where public confidence matters.

2. What the lie is. If the actual name of your degree is in something oddly named, but would be essentially the same as a degree in English Lit and you call it English Lit. No problem. Some very reputable schools name their degrees uncommonly - instead of BA (Bachelor of Arts) they call it AB (artium baccalaureus - latin for Bachelor of Arts). If you call it a BA so as not to confuse people who might mistake it for AA, fine. If you are claiming you have a degree, but don't actually - depends on the circumstances. If you're claiming a PhD, but are ABD, then no. If you're claiming a BA, but had only a class or two to go, perhaps. If you're claiming JD, but never went or didn't finish law school, no.

3. Whether the lie(s) show a pattern of dishonesty or lack of character.

I once received a call from a well-known publication:

THEM: "Yes, it is our understanding that _______ was your editor, could you tell us --

ME: "Let me stop you there. He wasn't my editor. He was a friend of a coworker. He came to the office often. As far as I know, he only submitted one piece. And we had to carefully let him know there was no 'room' for it."

THEM: "He didn't decide what made it in an issue?"

ME: "Not even close."

THEM: "Interesting. Thank you for your time."

I should add that I wasn't surprised by the call. The person who was lying at job interviews had called me the week before, asking me questions about "our" stats on the issues "we" had done.

I asked him, "What's all this 'we' and 'our' business? You make it sound like you are involved." He got very defensive and said: "I was just trying to show an interest. No need to be rude about it."

I just wing it!

Pyramids!

"Very successful, self-made businessman with NO bankruptcies or dirty money. NO COLLUSION!"

[quote]she she have been allowed to stay on, right?

How dare you call us she she's! You WILL be hearing from HR and I suggest you get YOUR resume in order OP!

Agree with r18

Depends where you work. If it’s a legal, financial or medical job, falsification can’t be tolerated. If it’s manufacturing or retail, let it slide.

[quote]ME: "Let me stop you there. He wasn't my editor. He was a friend of a coworker. He came to the office often. As far as I know, he only submitted one piece. And we had to carefully let him know there was no 'room' for it."

While satisfying, you may want to reconsider whether it's wise to provide this much information.

While the company doing the reference check will try to pry details from you, many companies will now only confirm the accuracy of statements with a yes or no answer: He says he worked there from xx/xx to xy/xy. Is that accurate. His job title was xxx. His salary was yyy.

Apparently, there have been cases where the someone sued because they weren't hired due to a bad reference.

While interviewing for new boyfriends, one told me he was a "total top."

I am pansexual.

They were just looking for an excuse/reason to get rid of her. She was going to be fired anyway. If they want you out, for whatever reason, they will find something. But yes, lying on your resume is a big No-No.

Lying about a degree is 100% good reason to can someone.

R39, but in order to have standing to bring such a suit he would need to have been an employee.

And if you look at what R32 says, he does not give a bad reference. He gives no evaluation of his performance (at the job he did not have). He does not say he is a liar. He just said that he did not work there. but visited. That he submitted a piece that was rejected.

This is factual information that you point out many employers now limit themselves to giving. He approaches snark with the talk about the submission, but even then he says he submitted a piece that she had to deliver the rejection for.

Which begs the question, what else has she lied about??? There is no gray area here OP...she got her job by lying and being dishonest. If found out, it could be potentially damaging to you company. And, it’s just wrong. They gave her that job instead of hiring someone who was actually qualified to do the job. She wasn’t. She lied...so she got fired!

R26 that doesn't even sound legal. So they input this woman's personal information to do a records check in front of everyone, without her signed permission? 0/10.

R39 You are absolutely correct. I was annoyed that that weasel was taking credit for my work, after pumping me for info so he could palm himself off as having done my job.

I have since learned it is best to just confirm essentials.

He tried to get back at me years later, by calling my publisher and telling them that the idea for my upcoming book was his. Their legal department kicked him to the curb. I've never wanted to kill someone, but that was close.

Anything to stick it to the man

[quote]Which begs the question, what else has she lied about???

Uh-oh.

I think it's fair to fire her, but I also think it's strange that HR did verification checks so many years back. Was there lots of suspicion people were lying at the company?

I suspect that it was just changing technology. It is easier to do the checks now than it was years ago, so they are slowing catching up subjecting old employees to the same checks new ones get.

There is no God and there is no karma - therefore there is no morality.

You do what is convenient for you. If something is frowned upon, you can still do it as long you can get away with it for at least long enough.

Her gig lasted 10 years - it seems that her ride was good enough. Lying paid off in her case.

[quote] Lying about a fake degree...should be fired.Some of us actually went to college.

+1

If you want to list a degree on your resume, then go earn it. The rest of us had to do it.

But, like, I'm s'posed to be graduated as soon as daddy's check clears? So like I've totally got my degreee and am the new VPeeee, but like that's still secret? So like don't tweet it...

I don't know whyyy peeeople would like actually go to colllllege to earrrrrn something? Like maybe you can tell me whyyy?

This happens more often than you think. For those that were one class or credit short of a degree - I don't know - it doesn't change what they learned in school and that small bit wouldn't be a reason to fire someone.

But if they weren't even close to getting a degree or, worse, just fabricated the whole thing - OUT you go. That's a serious offense for any position.

[quote]This happens more often than you think.

It definitely did. Now that internet keeps making it easier and easier to verify these things I think you would have to be a fool to risk it personally.

It is kind of interesting. HR can't just single out one person alone for an education check; that would be some type of discrimination. So they'd have to run the check on everyone on staff. This means they're likely to uncover negative information about a few other folks along with their intended target. And...they'll have to treat everyone the same.

However, if a company announces that it's doing retroactive education checks, it's going to look petty. It might be easier to run a background check now than it was 10 years ago. However, someone still has to go into the employee's file, dig out the resume that was submitted ten years ago, and compare the degree names and dates. It could still be a lot of work, depending on the size of the staff.

R57. Exactly. And why would they want to go through the trouble.

I was always told by HR friends that background checks are incredibly expensive, and only done if necessary. But this was 10+ years ago, I guess the process has become more efficient and cheaper.

We do that now to people who Instagram dumb things or like those really mean people who act like they don't like us? 'Cause if they don't like us, they're just like really bad peoplllllllllle....

HR often puts the requirement that applicants need a degree, for a job that does not need a degree, to cull - i.e. to make their jobs in HR easier. To say you have a degree, when it clearly isn't needed, I don't think is an issue - it's playing the game. As R18 it is a risk though, and with power hungry HR people, who are mostly lazy, but find some energy to destroy people they don't like, I would be careful.

Technology for degree verification? I have always had to provide a transcript myself. What if someone's name changed from graduation to resume submission?

People’s lives depended on me as an engineer, fresh out of college. My employer just assumed I was honest. I don’t recall any kind of “talk” about honesty. Good God, I’d hate to live in a Trump world, where people might/will say anything. If so, then there’s no point in lessening to anybody.

The point you are missing is that this person has successfully done this job for years, without a degree. It's now standard for most jobs to require a bachelor's degree for consideration when it's obviously not needed and costs thousands and thousands of dollars.

How is someone getting a degree from University of Phoenix (cut to that singing bitch in the commercial) better than someone who can actually do the job? It's an arbitrary restriction designed to make it easier on recruiters/HR. I knew many people in college who cheated, they all have degrees.

R6, it is complicated. I think, in any case, that people understand that she’s successfully done the job. Perhaps the liar’s HR interview made a difference?

[quote]The point you are missing is that this person has successfully done this job for years, without a degree.

No, the point is that the person is a liar.

People who lie about one thing will lie about many things.

Agree with R65.

When someone has lied about something so basic it calls into question whether she actually has done her job successfully. Has she falsified records? Taken credit for other people's work? If she lied on her resume, why would she not carry on the deception?

There are songs about people like that.

I never graduated. I was short on elective credits and couldn't afford to go back another semester, and then I got a job. I have on my resume that I attended my university for the 4 years I did, and what I majored in.

I've never claimed to have a degree- on my resume or verbally- but I kind of let it be assumed that I do because it's embarrassing to explain.

Is this wrong? My job doesn't require degrees and has nothing to do with my major. If someone asked- and no one has in 10 years- I would tell the truth.

R63, there is no difference if we are talking about a university of Phoenix. As a recruiter, whenever I see that it's the same as no degree. And what many of you are missing is that HR/recruiters are not the ones who are creating the criteria for hiring. The hiring managers are so if they want someone with a BA or MBA, then as a recruiter, I am obligated to present only candidates that have those criteria. Every company I've ever worked for would have seriously questioned my ability if I had presented a candidate that graduated from University of Phoenix. Sorry but that's the cold hard facts. There's no criteria to get into those for profit schools. They accept everyone so having that degree doesn't say much.

I pretty much guarantee you that the company was looking to get rid of this woman. HR was tasked with finding something, And athorough background investigation is a good starting point.

[quote]The point you are missing is that this person has successfully done this job for years, without a degree.

I don't think that is particularly important. Yes, in lots of cases you learn how to do the job on the job. That doesn't mean you get to lie about the credentials and education you have.

People seem upset that most jobs require you to have a degree now, and they think they shouldn't be disadvantaged for not having one. But that is silly, with that mindset of "it shouldn't matter!" then why would anyone get a college degree? We as a society have decided it matters, and you want to invalidate the effort of the people who have earned one rather than putting in the same work they did.

R69, no one is that stupid. Unless you put BA, when people see you spent 4 years there, they know you did just that...spent 4 years at a college. Especially since you stated that college degree isn't required for your job.

odd that so many jobs require degrees for things any half-wit can do in their sleep.

also odd that so many are against free college for everyone.

if, in order to get a job that pays sufficient to live on, one must have a degree, wouldn't it be incumbent upon society to provide the ability to earn one?

maybe we shouldbe trying to put a stop to rampant credentialism for things that don't require it, and just hire people on ability to do the job. perhaps then people who know that they can do the job wouldn't be motivated to lie.

It's not about invalidating those with degrees, it's about the fact that degrees are a requirement for even entry-level, low-paying jobs. And it's a boomer scheme that was sold to the rest of us. Do you understand how expensive college is now?

cheers, r74

R75, well there has to be a way to differentiate between candidates. Generally speaking if you have a degree, you are able to complete certain tasks, exhibit critical thinking, meet deadlines etc? I'm sure some people without degrees can also exhibit these traits but if you have nothing to show that you can, why would an employer just take your word for it? And most of these entry level jobs that require a degree Are not dead end jobs. There's usually room for advancement and that is where the degree comes into play.

R74, everyone does have the ability to earn a degree. Anyone can apply to college. If you are reasonably smart and disciplined, you'll get in. Actually you don't even have to be smart to get into certain colleges.

if you can not pay for it, or if you would not have time to go even on Pell grants because you would still have to work full time+ simply to pay rent, the ability to apply and be accepted is moot.

in the past, wasn't it expected that one could work independently, to a timetable, etc? also, isn't this where references come in to play? also, isn't this where professors chime in about the poor quality of students, and how stupid most people who do earn degrees today generally are?

as for "critical thinking", almost no boss really wants that. even journalists don't do much of that anymore.

if you want to have some kind of class barrier to entry, just admit it.

I agree that it's an easy way to differentiate between candidates, and I think that's why you see degree required on even the most awful jobs. I also think it's a lazy, unfair system.

I don't think that employers should "take their word for it" when applying, but I do think there can be a better way of assessing skills that doesn't cost $30k a year.

Over ten years ago, I helped a friend who lied about getting his MBA from a university by creating an almost flawless looking diploma. I am talking I found the signers names and signatures from the time he would of graduated. He did go to the university, but failed to complete the final semester. If he ever had to produce transcripts, he is toast. I often wonder how often he had used the diploma to prove his college status, and if I could be criminally held responsible as an accomplice in forging the document for him.

I have been unemployed for a year, and just recently accepted a job that requires state certification. I have to pay to have the college send the transcripts to the state certification board. It's just an AA degree from 40 years ago. Who really gives a shit??? Lol. The job I am going to be certified in could be done by a GED recipient.

I lied on my resume a long time ago, and didn't feel bad about it. I had a big gap in my employment record due to substance abuse, so I just said that I had been living in Europe. I wasn't asked for proof, thankfully. I was already doing the job I was doing through a temp agency, and I was recognized as being very good at it.

Good luck on your job, r80.

R70 You could actually challenge the hiring manager, ask them why they think it's important to have a degree as a prerequisite? As a recruiter, I've done this, and given them great candidates (placed) that stayed and did a great job. I think you're contributing to the credentialism that is getting out of control and keeping people back.

OP, your poll says is it OK to lie to [bold]get a job,[/bold] then one of the choices is “if you’ve been there a long time.” What the ever-loving fuck?

op? was the position filled by one of the hr dragon's people?

lying on your resume is wrong but hr is notoriously morally bankrupt.

After ten years it should not have mattered. I suspect the perpetrator may have been up for a promotion and someone reviewed their resume to verify certain stuff.

R81, did you claim to have a job in Europe that you did not actually have?

R83, because I see the value of a degree and many positions I recruit for require it. I'm not recruiting for low skill positions like factory work or reception or sales. The positions I recruiter for for the most part require a BA. You act as if getting a degree is just a piece of paper. It shows you have accomplished something and that should stand for something.

R87, Yes, I claimed that I had been backpacking through Europe, and had ended up tending bar at a resort in Greece. I figured they wouldn't ask for a demonstration of my (non-existent) mixology skills. I just needed to have a way to fill in the big gap of employment on my resume. I was already doing the job for which I was hired through a temp agency.

R81

R83, hope your surgeon or lawyer didn't lie or have someone like you as a recruiter.

[quote] I was short on elective credits and couldn't afford to go back another semester, and then I got a job.

Why won't you finish your degree now?

[quote] Over ten years ago, I helped a friend who lied about getting his MBA from a university by creating an almost flawless looking diploma. I am talking I found the signers names and signatures from the time he would of graduated.

I suspect there may HAVE been a flaw or two.

The punishment needs to fit the crime...and even for serious crimes, under the law, there is a statute of limitations.

OP: What's the job? After 10 years, as long as she has been doing a good job for the company, let it go. If any punishment is in order, maybe suspend her without pay for a month, but come on, don't ruin someone's life.

Are we talking working at The White House or for the local insurance company? Sometimes forgiveness is the greater virtue as long as she hasn't harmed her co-workers or customers.

R26's "The salary she was hired at was for a degreed hire" is a sore point with me. I finally started college in my 30s, and also worked at a law firm. I had a paralegal certificate and was a legal assistant. A woman who lied about having a degree (she attended 1 yr) was a paralegal at a much higher pay scale.

She stole something and during that investigation, it was revealed she lied on her resume, including her educational background.

When I've gone to a recruiter, I thank them for checking my academic credentials. You can argue a college degree isn't necessary for most jobs, but if your pay is correlated with your education, it needs to be checked.

R92, from my experience I would guess that she did harm co-workers and/or customers.

If you lie to get a job, you probably lie after you get it.

It's time for the wrongfully terminated employee to start thinking about revenge!

^She'll take it to social media to launch a GoFundMe campaign, R95 ... lying can be profitable and successful!

If the woman's a valued employee who has performed her job safely and competently for 10 years, I'd probably let it go. (I'm assuming this would not be the case if she'd lied about her license to fly jet planes or perform brain surgery, for example.)

If she's a chronic troublemaker or under performer, I'd take the opportunity to get rid of her.

If, somehow, her lies are likely to be exposed and cause some sort of company scandal, she gets the axe.

R88 There is a difference between vocations that require vocational degrees, and jobs that don't need a degree. What BA is really required for most corporate / office jobs? Sure, a BA in Accounting, if you are doing Accounting, but what BA major is really relevant for most office jobs?

You don't have to do a degree to prove you can complete something. How about completing a contract job and actually completing the set tasks or projects, to a high level? Doesn't that show a sense of commitment and focused?

I think you and your clients are lazy and elitist. The way you are helping things move, you won't be able to get a job in recruitment until you have a degree with a major in recruitment. I know there isn't such a major, but give it time with the ways things are heading.

FOCUS.

[quote]You don't have to do a degree to prove you can complete something. How about completing a contract job and actually completing the set tasks or projects, to a high level? Doesn't that show a sense of commitment and focused?

But completing a degree does show a level of ambition, work ethic, and basic reasoning. You are correct that someone who doesn't complete a degree might have those skills, but it is easy to see why any recruiter would want to recommend someone who has.

Look at how many start a college degree but don't finish, it is a good selection tool.

R100, you said it.

I just want be sure that R89’s story doesn’t get lost in the shuffle.

You have my respect, sir, in spite of the white lie you told regarding where you were for a length of time. It seems you overcame your demons, pulled yourself up by your bootstraps and are a productive member of society.

I say, kudos to you, sir.

most people who don't finish college usually have a life event that pulls them away. like needing to work to support themselves, self or family illness, childcare issues, or spouses losing jobs.

the time one needs to devote to learning asa full time job (what college experience needs to be in order to be successfull, since every hour worked over a certain point shows a corresponding drop in GPA) is a luxury that many can afford for awhile, until something happens in their life to make them not be able to afford it anymore. it has little todo with "grit"or determination, or the ability to follow through with something. people who drop out are following through with something--whatever suddenly became more important than not earning money while spending it on booms and tuition.

i can see that the idea that having had the luxury of going to school for 4 years uninterrupted (or only slightly interrupted) makes you believe that somehow you are "better" as a candidate for life/ jobs. perhaps you are not better, smarter nor more determined and thus more worthy. perhaps you simply had better supports in life to enable you to go.

and i don't want to hear a lot of blather from the truly superhuman among us (went to school full time, worked full time meanwhile raising three children under 10y.o. you people arenot normal and not everyone should be like you just to survive, although kudos for your work ethic).

another point-- sociologists commonly say that 80% of ones school achievement in k-12 is correlated with family socioeconomic status. not sure if this holds for tertiary education (if the studies have been done, i haven't seen them) although "college success" appears to be as well. at least, this was the thrust of the entire class i took on the subject.

think just a bit about what this means in our society where most people can't scrape together $400 for an emergency, and put you "but we are just better, smarter and more hardworking!" defenses down for a moment.

R102, Thank you. I now own my own home and have plenty of savings and investments. But I was a mess when I was younger, and I really worked hard to get my life together, but it's not easy. My ex is a social worker who has worked with homeless people, and he's shared stories with me of how people fall down a hole, then can't pull themselves back out. I've seen people yell at homeless people to get a job. How do you get a job when you don't have a mailing address, a phone number, or a bank account?

R81, R89

Liars are dangerous OP. That ho could start stealing money from the company.

one final duplication:

Everyone embellishes on their resume. I didn't graduate college but I don't say I did if asked. I do, however, put that I attended college, just not any degree or GPA. Some people assume that means I graduated. If they ask directly I will tell the truth. I do have twenty years of work experience though, so most employers don't care. The jobs that require a specific degree to apply I just do not apply for.

It matters if you're a heart surgeon. If you've been working an office job for 7 or 10 years, not so much.

In an office, r106? Steal what? Office supplies?

Liars of the habitual kind and people who lie on their resumes are not quite the same.

Some of you are a too bleeding heart and its compromised your morals. The middle class professions are based on some arbitrary shit but thats the way it is. If someone lies about a university diploma, it's not OK or a forgive and forget situation. Everything would break down. Its not fair because there is a class culture and because there is an cruel distribution of IQ. Thats the way of the world.

I would like to point out that all my slut life if a potential hookup promises me 8 inches, or certain age, and I show up and its not the case - I'm out the door.

Aint nobody got time for dat!

Some people are such rampant liars that they honestly don't realize that other people don't lie all the time like they do r111.

It really matters that you're a liar when you're the fucking president.

R111 Everything would break down! Mary! Thank god we have you to protect the status quo.

You do not want a lying, non-educated professional. Do you know the meaning of "professional" and the traditional "professions"? Do you want a fake engineer? Fake lawyer? Fake teacher? Fake accountant? Do you want a fake preacher who hasn't been to divinity school? Obviously you don't want a fake dentist, doctor, nurse, physical therapist, nutritionist, psychologist. etc etc etc

^^Occasionally I don’t mind a fake masseur.

Just sayin’

Right or wrong, it's very expensive to fire someone that's been there 10 years. Assuming the employer needed the body, she's going to have to be replaced with someone that has the potential to be worse, won't have the institutional knowledge, and might have terrible productivity for quite a while. After 10 years on the job, trying to say, "that's misconduct" isn't going to fly, and the company's going to end up eating the cost of her UI claim.

After 10 years she couldn’t manage to get her degree on the side? She had ample opportunity to remedy the situation. No fucks given.

Worse than people who cheat on tests.

I just got a job offer for a three-month temp position at $15/hour.

They are running a criminal background check, require a drug screening, verified every job I listed on my resume with my previous employers, and verified that I graduated from each of the colleges I listed.

For $15/hour.

So yeah... I wouldn't recommend lying on a resume.