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Gay "Swan King" Ludwig II, was he murdered?

On June 13, 1886, after he had been removed from power thanks to shady doctor Gudden who declared him "mentally ill," King Ludwig II of Bavaria went for a walk and never returned... his body was found, with head and shoulders above the water, near a shallow lake. Also found dead in the same place was the Dr. Gudden, who had told palace staff not to join him and the King on their walk. Ludwig's death was ruled a suicide by drowning, though no water was found in his lungs. Gudden was said to have died while trying to fetch the King from the water, although his body showed signs of strangulation.

Ludwig's "mental illness" was tied to his extravagant spending and the whispers about his sexuality. He built the Neuschwanstein Castle which is today one of Germany's biggest tourist attractions.

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by Anonymousreply 15June 28, 2018 10:21 PM

Questions still linger about the circumstances of his and the psychiatrist's death. As for the king's supposed insanity, his homosexuality and extravagant spending on fantastical projects appear now to be the greater factors in his deposition as king. The psychiatrist did not examine him personally before he declared him insane. The king may have had what today would be diagnosed as a personality disorder.

by Anonymousreply 1June 27, 2018 6:45 PM

Mad OR Murdered?

Why not both? That's what I believe.

Visconti made a beautiful movie about him, btw.

by Anonymousreply 2June 27, 2018 7:33 PM

Visconti's epic 4-hour movie (it's the gay Gone With the Wind) just got a restoration and is making the rounds.

by Anonymousreply 3June 27, 2018 7:58 PM

Didn’t he nearly or fully bankrupt his state of Bavaria via his exorbitant spending on new castles?

And Bavaria was a very rich state, so to bankrupt it was quite a feat.

I bet a lot of people weren’t too happy with his ‘shopping spree’...

by Anonymousreply 4June 27, 2018 8:07 PM

I visited the castle as a child and loved it. I have a print of this Gerhard Richter to remind me.

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by Anonymousreply 5June 27, 2018 8:09 PM

[quote]Visconti's epic 4-hour movie (it's the gay Gone With the Wind) just got a restoration and is making the rounds.

Can't WAIT I rewatched The Leopard recently.

by Anonymousreply 6June 27, 2018 8:10 PM

He was also one of the world's first great Opera Queens, and shovelled a shit ton of money to Richard Wagner, who burned through it like water.

by Anonymousreply 7June 27, 2018 8:10 PM

The castle has now paid for itself many times over, due to visitor revenue.

by Anonymousreply 8June 27, 2018 8:11 PM

Tasteful Friends..

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by Anonymousreply 9June 27, 2018 8:16 PM

Except all the taxpayers / subjects who paid for it are now long dead, R8. So not really much of a return on investment for them...

Agree it’s a beautiful castle though.

by Anonymousreply 10June 27, 2018 8:32 PM

While visiting Germany last summer with my children, I took us to explore Neuschwanstein Castle at the request of my teenage daughter. There is nothing else like it -- it is THE quintessential pointy-spired fairy tale castle hanging off the side of a cliff--a totally breathtaking miracle!

Having said that, the castle's interior VERY clearly reads as a fever dream of a restless and manic shopaholic with pathological escapist tendencies.

I purchased a little reproduction booklet in the gift shop written by a contemporary of King Ludwig's, who asserted emphatically that his friend the king was indeed murdered, and outlined the clues and theories as to why he felt this way. He didn't deny that the King had been out of control but beautifully conveyed his frustration and pain at the sad and scary ended his friend endured. A really fascinating little read.

by Anonymousreply 11June 27, 2018 9:11 PM

My favorite indulgence of King Ludwig II's is the manmade Grotto of Venus. Hands-down. It has been referred to as a "grand opera set made flesh."

"Ludwig lived much of his last eight years at Linderhof. Frustrated by the limits of being a constitutional monarch, he retreated here, inhabiting a private fantasy world where his lavishness glorified his otherwise weakened kingship. He lived as a royal hermit; his dinner table — pre-set with dishes and food — rose from the kitchen below into his dining room so he could eat alone.

Beyond the palace is Ludwig's grotto, a private theater for the reclusive king to enjoy his beloved Wagnerian operas — he was usually the sole member of the audience. The grotto features a waterfall, fake stalactites, and a swan boat floating on an artificial lake. The first electricity in Bavaria was generated here, to change the colors of the stage lights and to power Ludwig's fountain and wave machine." -Rick Steves

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by Anonymousreply 12June 27, 2018 9:17 PM

Ludvig wasn't crazy, but he was such a shitty king that they had to find some way to remove him from power and keep him from blowing the treasury on fripperies while the country went to wrack and ruin.

He really was a terrible king, not just eccentric, lazy, and irresponsible, but so paralyzingly shy he was worthless at any public duties. At state dinners he'd put huge bouquets on either side of his place so that he wouldn't have to talk to anyone, thereby offending all the royal guests. The people who were actually running the government kept taking steps to prevent him from taking the money they needed to run things and blowing it on castles and operas, but Ludwig got around them all and ruined the country financially. They finally had him declared insane to protect the government from financial collapse, and if they had him killed as well I can see why. Anyone who's been around such an obsessive and irresponsible person wants to kill them.

by Anonymousreply 13June 27, 2018 9:25 PM

Hear! Hear! R13

by Anonymousreply 14June 28, 2018 12:59 AM

Yeah, gayface visible from space.

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by Anonymousreply 15June 28, 2018 10:21 PM
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