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Emmy Winner Eileen Davidson Reportedly Quits After Actors’ Longtime Pay Freeze

There’s chaos at the CBS’s number 1 soap, “The Young and the Restless.” Reports tonight say recent Emmy winning Best Actress Eileen Davidson has quit the show. She’s played Ashley Abbott on and off since 1982 and is wildly popular.

But there’s a lot of bad stuff going on at the soap. I told you last week that they’ve lost between 600,000 and 1 million viewers since December. That’s pretty crazy.

Then also last week came news that one of the show’s breakout stars, Mishael Morgan, quit the soap after five years. Morgan, who is African American, has been on the show’s front burner since she arrived, and seemed like a keeper if she didn’t jump to prime time or movies. She’s a star.

But also last week, Morgan’s manager, David Ritchie, told a soap magazine that Morgan has not had a raise since she arrived five years ago. He also claimed that many of the actors on “Y&R” have not had pay increases. (This would certainly explain a lot of things since “Y&R” has had a high rate of attrition.)

Ritchie said: “… in the first negotiation there was no increase in pay. For various reasons, Mishael and her team, we accepted that and we signed on for two more years. But for this third contract, the series offered no increase in pay.”

As for the other actors, Ritchie– who is in Canada and refreshingly honest–said: “Also for the record, I did a lot of investigating and I found out that, per my sources, a lot of the other cast on the show did not receive raises in their contract negotiations either.”

When I emailed Ritchie, this is how he responded to my query: “I appreciate your interest and thanks for reaching out. I respect what all of you do for the industry as a whole. At this point, I think it’s best to move forward in search of other endeavours for my client rather than continue to discuss past projects. Thank you for understanding.”

“Y&R” is owned by Sony Television and broadcast by CBS, similar to the relationship CBS had with Procter and Gamble with the cancelled soaps “As the World Turns” and “Guiding Light.” P&G conspired to kill those shows in 2010 when CBS didn’t want to pay high fees to keep them going. Their modus operandi was to cut popular actors in order to shoo off fans. When the ratings went down, CBS was able to claim a reason for cancelling the shows.

Now it would seem CBS is taking that position again. It’s unclear what they would replace “Y&R” and its sister show, “The Bold and the Beautiful” with if they did pull the plug. ABC is certainly toying with using an expanded “Good Morning America” to knock off their remaining soap, “General Hospital.” But not only is CBS third in the morning news race, “The Talk” is second to ABC’s “The View.” So they don’t have a ready replacement if they’re trying to kill the show.

Morgan’s exit can be dealt with; she’s been there a relatively short time. But Davidson’s is more problematic. Even though she’s left before, she’s a mainstay, and has often done double duty on NBC’s “Days of Our Lives,” which is also produced by Sony. It’s possible after her Emmy win she asked for more money and was told ‘no.’ If she’s leaving, this time it’s with an Emmy and a high profile from a stint on “The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.” Davidson has removed all mention of the soap from her social media.

If Ritchie is right, the “Y&R” cast been treated pretty badly for a long time. And you know, soap actors never speak up unless they’re prepared to walk, because their industry is small and blacklisting by networks and producers is a regular problem. If they ever started talking, they’d make quite a noise. #Themtoo

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by Anonymousreply 600July 17, 2018 10:27 PM

So? They'll just replace her with another actress.

by Anonymousreply 1June 27, 2018 3:49 PM

They need to hire that fabulous young girl who played Jill first. The show has never been any good since she left because the Bells were out to destroy her and TAKE HER HOUSE. YES! That is what those people did!!!! LOOK IT UP!!!! They DESTOTRED my career and have GOTTEN AWAY with IT!!! People need to KNOW what is going on in the Industry.

by Anonymousreply 2June 27, 2018 3:50 PM

I thought SAG-AFTRA contracts provided for regular raises.

by Anonymousreply 3June 27, 2018 3:54 PM

WOW! They're already talking cancellation?

by Anonymousreply 4June 27, 2018 3:55 PM

[quote] They'll just replace her with another actress

Eileen Davidson is an institution not only on Y&R, but in daytime television.

She's not easily replaceable.

I am curious what she'll do now that she will have neither Y&R nor the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

Isn't her husband supposed to be a hardcore gambler?

by Anonymousreply 5June 27, 2018 3:55 PM

Dee Dee Halls must HATE the fact that ED won an Emmy.

by Anonymousreply 6June 27, 2018 3:57 PM

Is Eileen trans?

by Anonymousreply 7June 27, 2018 3:59 PM

Lol R7, that's the one rumor that I always remember about her. And I actually believed it back then!

After seeing her on RHOBH, it's pretty clear that she's not. Eileen seems very nice.

by Anonymousreply 8June 27, 2018 4:01 PM

Eileen has now won TWO Emmys!

Eileen can be replaced. Ashley Abbott was recast with a much more beloved actress. Eileen was pretty much forgotten until she came back in the 2000s on Y&R.

Replacing Eileen's Kristen DiMera, THAT'S a tall order. Ashley can be done by anyone and has been portrayed by two other actresses. Kristen DiMera is a one of a kind role that made Eileen an icon in daytime.

by Anonymousreply 9June 27, 2018 4:01 PM

[quote]Ashley Abbott was recast with a much more beloved actress.

Neither was beloved by me.

[quote]Eileen was pretty much forgotten until she came back in the 2000s on Y&R.

Not by me. Neither Shari Shattuck nor Brenda Epperson WAS Ashley Abbott.

by Anonymousreply 10June 27, 2018 4:05 PM

Neither of her replacements was "much beloved" as I remember it. BE was a good replacement I admit. She looked almost identical to ED.

by Anonymousreply 11June 27, 2018 4:06 PM

People are already calling for Brenda to come back. She was pretty much THE Ashley Abbott in the eyes of viewers. Eileen was forgotten in the role until she returned after the 90s on Days and then the show hardly even used her.

by Anonymousreply 12June 27, 2018 4:07 PM

I remember when Y&R fired Eileen, but not before they bumped her off to B&B. lol She hardly ever did anything.

by Anonymousreply 13June 27, 2018 4:07 PM

Overpaid anyway. Dump EB and hire some real actors, dump the current writers and tell stories.

by Anonymousreply 14June 27, 2018 4:17 PM

Why hasn't Eileen ever transitioned over to main stream acting, rather than "soaps?"

I'd love to see her in an evening drama, or even a film.

She's certainly capable of doing it. Has she even auditioned for this stuff, or has she just remained comfortably in daytime television?

by Anonymousreply 15June 27, 2018 6:35 PM

Eileen has rarely been utilized well on Young & Restless under the last few regimes but she makes the most of what she’s given and I hate to see her leave. She’s one of the few people left on the show who can still conjure up the magic of Y&R’s best years. Days of Our Lives showcases her much more effectively but to me Y&R has always felt like where she should be and this is a big loss the show can’t really afford right now.

With that said, I thought Brenda Epperson was a great Ashley and I would not mind seeing her return if things just absolutely cannot be worked out with Eileen. Brenda is not as commanding an actress as Eileen but she brought a lot of warmth and heart to the role. If the writers would also let Brenda show more of the fun side of her real life personality onscreen, I think she could do a lot to fill the void that will be left by Eileen’s departure.

by Anonymousreply 16June 27, 2018 7:03 PM

So I guess this is Eileen's "retirement."

She's only 59 years old. I wonder what's next for her?

by Anonymousreply 17June 27, 2018 7:13 PM

[quote]Eileen Davidson is an institution not only on Y&R, but in daytime television. She's not easily replaceable.

Really?

by Anonymousreply 18June 27, 2018 7:17 PM

R15 when she left Y and R in the late 80s she did the horrible film called Easy Wheels as a feminist female biker. With this movie she tried to break into the film medium, but the film sank like a stone. It wasn’t long before she returned to the steady paycheck world of soaps.

I agree her leaving yet again is a huge loss to Y and R. The show just isn’t the same without Eileen Davidson. But she’s left and returned before. Bagging another Emmy in April, I agree she should explore a series outside of soaps. Her try for a film career is long passed her by.

by Anonymousreply 19June 27, 2018 7:26 PM

[quote]Davidson has removed all mention of the soap from her social media.

That seems a bit petty.

Not fair to her fans.

by Anonymousreply 20June 27, 2018 7:37 PM

She'll be back on RHOB.

She was a DL fave on that show...and deservedly so.

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by Anonymousreply 21June 27, 2018 7:40 PM

"Yooooou beast . . ."

by Anonymousreply 22June 27, 2018 7:42 PM

I thought she was great on RHOBH.

Much better than that idiot Dorit, or boring Teddy.

She and Lisa Rinna were great as a duo.

by Anonymousreply 23June 27, 2018 7:50 PM

I'm finding it hard to like anything about you right now, Kim

I've never found one thing to like about you - from your hair to your face to your attitude.

by Anonymousreply 24June 27, 2018 7:53 PM

She may not be able to return to Days now because they've recast at least one of her roles with Stacy Haiduk and she's been getting good reviews by TPTB. Unless they bring her in as another character.

by Anonymousreply 25June 27, 2018 7:54 PM

Robin Christopher IN as Ashley Abbott

by Anonymousreply 26June 27, 2018 7:55 PM

More budget cuts are coming so more exits could be coming. Could we finally be seeing the stache (Braden) and Miss Piggy (MTS) finally going?

by Anonymousreply 27June 27, 2018 7:58 PM

[quote]She's certainly capable of doing it. Has she even auditioned for this stuff, or has she just remained comfortably in daytime television?

Uh, Broken Badges?

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by Anonymousreply 28June 27, 2018 7:59 PM

[quote]She may not be able to return to Days now because they've recast at least one of her roles with Stacy Haiduk and she's been getting good reviews by TPTB. Unless they bring her in as another character.

Stacy already left. It was an arc. She got a good review from some "insider". The show is already readying a new Kristen storyline that should start filming soon. This leaves the door open for Eileen to return.

by Anonymousreply 29June 27, 2018 8:01 PM

[quote]Could we finally be seeing the stache (Braden) and Miss Piggy (MTS) finally going?

Eric Braeden is 77.

I'm surprised he hasn't wanted to retire by now.

by Anonymousreply 30June 27, 2018 8:04 PM

Someone is desperate for a job. Like they'd even consider her. She was a dud in all of her other roles.

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by Anonymousreply 31June 27, 2018 8:06 PM

Anna Holbrook IN as Ashley

by Anonymousreply 32June 27, 2018 8:13 PM

Eileen confirms she's leaving in September.

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by Anonymousreply 33June 27, 2018 8:14 PM

Boy, that Tracy Melchior really is a thirsty bitch at R31.

by Anonymousreply 34June 27, 2018 8:15 PM

R34, she's also a right-winger.

by Anonymousreply 35June 27, 2018 8:17 PM

R15 I can tell you why. Most producers and casting directors consider soaps one step above porn and refuse to see soap actors for prime time shows or major movies. There have been soap actors that have gone on to have careers in movies and prime time TV but it is not that many as compared to all the actors that have been on soaps over the years.

by Anonymousreply 36June 27, 2018 8:20 PM

r31, who has she played. She looks very familiar but I cannot recall a character.

by Anonymousreply 37June 27, 2018 9:46 PM

R37 She played Veronica Landers on Y&R (replaced with the better Candice Daly), Tess Marin on Sunset Beach (she was meh there at best), Kelly Cramer on OLTL (was much better played by Gina Tognoni and Heather Tom) and Kristen Forrester on B&B (don't think she was only popular there either).

by Anonymousreply 38June 27, 2018 10:02 PM

I remember when Victor and Ashley were supposed to be each other's true loves.

by Anonymousreply 39June 28, 2018 3:15 AM

"Emmy Winner Eileen Davidson Reportedly Quits After Actors’ Longtime Pay Freeze"

Hmmmm . . . sounds more like, with this news (pay freeze), she's finalized realized she needs to stay closer to home to keep a closer eye on Vinnie to make certain he doesn't blow through her money with his gambling interests. During her last season on RHOBH, there was a lot of shaded bickering between them about it.

by Anonymousreply 40June 28, 2018 3:21 AM

R36- Tony Geary is still bitter about it, too. "Intimate Agony: The Story Of Herpes" wasn't exactly what he was looking for.

by Anonymousreply 41June 28, 2018 3:30 AM

R41- Here's a hilarious review of Intimate Agony----

"So the Dr. Steve Holliston, the town doctor is going away for awhile and has called in Dr. Kyle Richards [Anthony Geary] to come in and take his place until he returns. Who better to take care of your patients than a doctor with a receding hairline that makes him look like a mad scientist and a vacant stare that makes you wonder how many people he's eaten alive to keep the demons at bay...."

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by Anonymousreply 42June 28, 2018 4:08 AM

Didn't Eileen date Jon Voight for awhile and they did a movie together? I remember this was after she left Y&R.

Thing is, she was great in The House on Sorority Row. She played a bitch really well in that movie. Maybe she could get a plum prime time role.

I think Eileen is an excellent actress but she hasn't had a great storyline in a long time. Brenda was a good Ashley so they may go back to her. Eileen is still the definitive Ashley, though.

by Anonymousreply 43June 28, 2018 4:23 AM

Eileen is talented and still marketable.... she'll be fine.

The longtime aged-out actors (Hans, Miss Piggy, Jess Walton, and Doug Davidson) are lingering until cancellation.

The younger actors are crap, except Camryn Grimes -- she'll probably have a decent career after the show closes.

by Anonymousreply 44June 28, 2018 4:36 AM

Anna Lee in as Ashley Abbott!

by Anonymousreply 45June 28, 2018 4:39 AM

What about Cricket and Danny Romalotti?

How are Mrs. Chancellor and Philip?

by Anonymousreply 46June 28, 2018 4:43 AM

Brenda Epperson was one of the more successful recasts they had and she was accepted by most fans as Ashley, but she last played the role 23 years ago. Not sure they'd bother approaching her and do a stunt casting instead.

by Anonymousreply 47June 28, 2018 4:47 AM

[R36] Guiding Light and As the World Turns sure churned out huge stars in TV and movies over the decades. They had the same casting person for many years and many of her finds have won Oscars (the latest being GL's Allison Janney).

Y&R is unwatchable. I've tried to watch it but my GAWD it is dull as shit. At least in their final years, GL and ATWT could be watchable train-wrecks with some good, interesting stories inbetween. Scandalous how they were sabotaged.

I'm shocked the terrible GH is still on. It will be gone very soon. Days as well. CBS will wait until they are gone THEN pull the plug on their lineup once and for all. Sad sad sad.

by Anonymousreply 48June 28, 2018 4:53 AM

THEY SHOUl BRINg ME BACK. wHEN I LEFT I tOOK 500 BILIN FANS WITH ME. YOu now the mob, connected to the show, is still in my life. Not only has Hawaii, through them, stolde my half of 11 years work, in the millions. Left me for homeless for 5 years without a dime for a cup of coffee. While In building where I live. They have done $21.450 million, in fake retrofits. Without "building and safety". Because they are skimming money in the millions.. They have run a fraud check through my account. STOLE $12,00,000, in an effort to forclose my home. WHERE IS THE F.B.I.! WELL, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MY LIFE. THEY CONTINUE STEEL MY MONEY. They are on this page, I think it's time Hawaii gives me back my home. The attorneys and judge's involved, should be indited. They have hid the books and record's in our 15 million dollar estate at every hearing, and, every trial. The have sold off valuable multi-million dollar realistate to their freinds at half price. That never needed to be sold,as my ex was pocketing millions of dollars, of our money. They have crossed state lines and sold my home out from under me, with a fake deed. Administered by a fake Judge, who had no jusdiction ( Judge Choy was asked to step down as a Judge by the IRS in 2003) He took my name off an already ruled on California deed. He has no jusdiction on a California deed.They locked me up for 4 month's in a filthy 3rd world holding cell with 65 convicted criminals. To accomplish a totally illegal sale in California. HEY F.B.I. , AND DONALD TRUMP ( who I know is also having trouble with the F.B.I.), I NEED SOME HELP HERE. THESE THUGS NEED TO BE INDITED. THERE HAS BEEN "NO DUE PROCESS", IN MY MY DEVORCE. ALL CREATED BY THEM.

Eventhough, crook Judge Choy was set aside on "No Due Process" and Abusive Descrection", his sales should have been set aside! The state of Hawaii LLEGALLY kept them. The state can't take your liberty, your life,or your property, without Due Process.

My ex left town for the remand trial. Refushed to give the book's or record's. Refushed to pay the attornies. Who at that point, hid 9 million of tax returnes. Hid the property charts. Hid my paid California realistate attorney's testimony. Judge Murkamie, refushed to let her testify. About Judges Choy's "fake deed", the "false arrest and false imprisonment." My attorney would have TESTIFIED about the 6 month trial, prior to the false arrests. My ex knew about, as he sued me, in California and lost. Judge Baker of California ordered ( who HAD jusdiction) that I could not be evicted. That Judge Choy had to registored his judgment in California, or it did not exist in California. That I could not be evicted. Judge Choy judgment was fraud in both states, and would have been set aside in California. He refushed registor or domesticate his judgement, in California. As orderd . His judgment skipped the mandated Judge overseeing the sale, the appraisal, Court appointed realitor, to sell on the open market to the highest bidder. Instead my ex., in Judge Choy's judgment could name his own price. Sell it to a freind, which he did. A real estate investor, who offered $200,000.00 more at the trial. It was ruled She could not buy it. She illegally, subquently, bought it with the fake deed ( while I was locked up). She flipped it for a $200,000.00 profit. Judge Choy sold my Hawaii estate, for 1.750 million under market price. I spent years of my life refurbishing, and building a wing on. He fraudlunty sold properties. As he and Atty. Chuck Kleintop hid the tax returns, and all books and records. As my ex.was collecting millions of dollars of cash cases coming in.

I entered the Hawaii court with a fully negotiated, signed martle settlement agreement. I got the California property, my ex got the Hawaii estate.

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by Anonymousreply 49June 28, 2018 5:31 AM

Michael Muhney IN as Ashley Abbott.

by Anonymousreply 50June 28, 2018 5:32 AM

Ashley has always been a snooze fest. The last time she had a good storyline was when she aborted Victor’s baby. That role is a waste of Eileen’s talent.

by Anonymousreply 51June 28, 2018 5:34 AM

Eileen will not be idle for long, since she's the family breadwinner.

by Anonymousreply 52June 28, 2018 5:34 AM

Brendad Ickson IS Ashley Abbott!

by Anonymousreply 53June 28, 2018 5:34 AM

On Wednesday's Y&R, they had Eileen in a dress with a cutout showing her cleavage. When she was sitting, her 59-year-old breasts looked like two deflated balloons.

by Anonymousreply 54June 28, 2018 5:37 AM

the not so young and breast-less......

by Anonymousreply 55June 28, 2018 5:49 AM

Who the fuck is going to pay Vinny's gambling debts now!?

by Anonymousreply 56June 28, 2018 6:06 AM

[quote]Most producers and casting directors consider soaps one step above porn

Why do casting directors consider soaps to be only one step above porn?

by Anonymousreply 57June 28, 2018 7:19 AM

Leslie Charleson IN as Ashley Abbott

by Anonymousreply 58June 28, 2018 7:52 AM

[quote]Y&R is unwatchable. I've tried to watch it but my GAWD it is dull as shit.

Y&R is certainly not what it was.

It began to deteriorate quite a few years ago after Bill Bell died.

And I think Kay Alden has been gone for some years now as Head Writer, yes?

by Anonymousreply 59June 28, 2018 8:01 AM

We need her back on Days.

by Anonymousreply 60June 28, 2018 8:37 AM

Someone please tell Brenda about spellcheck.

by Anonymousreply 61June 28, 2018 9:10 AM

I've already been approached to take over the role. No one will even notice we're not the same actress.

by Anonymousreply 62June 28, 2018 3:16 PM

I'm available!

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by Anonymousreply 63June 28, 2018 4:17 PM

[quote]Someone please tell Brenda about spellcheck.

Fuck spellcheck. They need to get that train wreck a reality show.

by Anonymousreply 64June 28, 2018 4:50 PM

It's been decades since I could watch the Y&R. It was so slow and pondering. When the Soaps started failing I couldn't figure out why they didn't realize millennials don't have the patience to sit through that slow crap. They needed to speed it up and move it along.

by Anonymousreply 65June 28, 2018 5:56 PM

Y&R is still the top-rated show so it's not in as much trouble as the other soaps, but it's certainly not what it used to be.

by Anonymousreply 66June 28, 2018 6:31 PM

[R57] Not sure but I think at one point there were so many soaps on in the 70's and many had horrific acting and writing. Soaps like GL, AW and ATWT, especially GL, had superb acting and storytelling. Shit was better than most primetime shit. But it was the lower rung soaps who generated the negative impression about soaps. GL had Cicely Tyson and Rudy Dee is the same role in the same year and James Earl Jones and Billy Dee Williams in the same role in the same year!

Y&R is still top rated but out of just 4 shows. And ratings are way down. How the hell can they even have Daytime Emmy's worth anything anymore with just 4 shows. It is so sad.

by Anonymousreply 67June 28, 2018 6:39 PM

[quote]Y&R is still the top-rated show so it's not in as much trouble as the other soaps

Uh, actually, they're already talking cancellation. It's dropped one million viewers in one year and is in free fall.

by Anonymousreply 68June 28, 2018 7:06 PM

All the networks want out of the soap business. Y&R being #1, out of 4, isn't going to save it.

by Anonymousreply 69June 28, 2018 7:08 PM

Look how CBS treated GL and ATWT, two soaps who were DOMINANT for decades and really stayed in the thick of things well into the 90's, early 00's. Two soaps who made them BILLIONS. Their two stalwarts. Iconic shows. They deliberately sabotaged them. Don't think they won't do that to Y&R and BB.

by Anonymousreply 70June 28, 2018 7:11 PM

R68, where has there been talk of cancellation?

In June 2017 Y&R was renewed for 3 more seasons:

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by Anonymousreply 71June 28, 2018 7:13 PM

Maybe ED is ducking out now before it is cancelled in 2020. Not staying with a dead show.

by Anonymousreply 72June 28, 2018 7:23 PM

Eileen is a class act even when she is given awful material - which is often. Please someone kick Melody Thomas Scott and Peter Bergman to the curb. Keep Eric Braeden, there has never been a greater villain.

by Anonymousreply 73June 28, 2018 7:26 PM

I love ED. I love her Ashley, but honestly, since the public paternity reveal of her character, she hasn't had much story centered around her. She's basically been playing a supporting role in Dina's Alzheimers story and Jack's Daddy story. And the Ccontrol for Jabot story is basically at a lull. .. Moreover, they seem stymied over finding her Ashley character a proper love interest. This is not new.

At this point, I could easily see them dropping the Ashley character to recurring - much like the other Abbot sister, Traci - and bringing back Brenda Epperson for that kind of limited gig. .. Brenda may not be as powerful an actress as ED, but as I recall, she was well-liked and pretty well-accepted; there were some viewers who actually preferred her softer, 'lighter' Ashley.

I'll miss ED and wish her well, but I really don't think her departure foretells doom.

by Anonymousreply 74June 28, 2018 7:28 PM

Wouldn't it be a gas if Days is the last one standing? It's up in the demos and it costs much less than the Bell soaps to produce.

by Anonymousreply 75June 28, 2018 7:31 PM

DOOL!

Y&R needs to bring the gay.

by Anonymousreply 76June 28, 2018 7:32 PM

[quote]Keep Eric Braeden, there has never been a greater villain.

Yeah, Victor Newman is definitely one of the legends of Daytime.

by Anonymousreply 77June 28, 2018 7:33 PM

God bless Eric Braeden!

by Anonymousreply 78June 28, 2018 7:34 PM

Eric Braeden also dislikes Trump, which is another point in his favor.

by Anonymousreply 79June 28, 2018 7:37 PM

I really enjoyed Brenda Epperson as Ashley and would tune in if she returned. She brought a warmth to the role that Eileen lacked.

by Anonymousreply 80June 28, 2018 7:39 PM

r80=LVP

by Anonymousreply 81June 28, 2018 7:41 PM

Eileen's Ashley was kind of glum and harsh. I remember Brenda Epperson in the role and she was charming, and she made Traci's resentment of Ashley's beauty and brains more believable.

by Anonymousreply 82June 28, 2018 7:44 PM

Brenda last month.

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by Anonymousreply 83June 28, 2018 7:45 PM

rofl R81.

So glad that bitter jealous bitch Lisa Vanderpump could make an appearance on this thread, all the way from the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills!

by Anonymousreply 84June 28, 2018 7:48 PM

I would love to see her back as Ashley.

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by Anonymousreply 85June 28, 2018 7:50 PM

How about Noelle Beck or Paige Turco as nuAshley?

by Anonymousreply 86June 28, 2018 8:03 PM

Eileen is horrible as Ashley. Her best role has always been Kristen DiMera.

by Anonymousreply 87June 28, 2018 8:19 PM

Ashley is not a showy role, she's pretty down to earth, and Eileen has never thrived in the part. It was better suited to Brenda Epperson and I hope she comes back.

by Anonymousreply 88June 28, 2018 8:32 PM

R86 They really haven't done much with the Ashley character lately, so unless Mal Young has something on the drawing board that's heavily Ashley-centric (doubtful), then why go to the trouble of searching for a new (contract) actress to play the role?

Something recurring with a known and already-accepted Ashley like Epperson would seem to be a very workable solution. As I recall, she was in the role for nearly 8 years and worked with the vets still on the canvas. No need to re-invent the wheel, imho.

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by Anonymousreply 89June 28, 2018 8:44 PM

R49 is that your masterpiece or did Brendad actually word vomit that out somewhere?

by Anonymousreply 90June 28, 2018 8:50 PM

Paige Turco (ex Dinah-GL) is on the TV show The 100, no?

by Anonymousreply 91June 28, 2018 8:54 PM

Y&R should have let her work on Days to earn more money, if they weren't going to give her a raise.

by Anonymousreply 92June 28, 2018 8:54 PM

Like R91 Turco is on a primetime show now.

Noelle Beck prefers to live on the east coast where her family is. She probably would've worked more if she moved to LA.

by Anonymousreply 93June 28, 2018 8:58 PM

Eileen should be in a remake of "The Gambler," co-starring with her husband - VINCENT VAN PATTEN.

by Anonymousreply 94June 28, 2018 9:11 PM

R3, SAG-AFTRA guarantees "Scale," which means minimum. When you sign a "Personal Service Contract" the agreement is between the actor and the producer, not the union.

by Anonymousreply 95June 28, 2018 9:19 PM

So how much does she make that is so unbearable?

by Anonymousreply 96June 28, 2018 9:21 PM

Most people are suggesting that both Eileen and Mishael got pissed off when they found out what they paid Hunter King to return to the show. No one is saying that Hunter King doesn’t deserve her salary, it’s just that they should spread the love around a little bit. There is no reason why Hunter King should be making “vet” money.

by Anonymousreply 97June 28, 2018 9:28 PM

Hunter King is always causing unnecessary drama backstage. Summer Newman is back on the scene now with her famous fun-bags.

by Anonymousreply 98June 28, 2018 9:31 PM

[quote] So how much does she make that is so unbearable?

That's what I'm wondering.

Even if it's between $50-$100,000 per episode, that's crazy money!

Eileen would be stupid to give that up.

Actors are dumb, in comparing themselves to other actors. What they should really be thinking is, "Am I happy with my current lifestyle?" If the answer is yes, then who gives a fuck what somebody else is getting paid? You're making GOOD MONEY!

by Anonymousreply 99June 28, 2018 9:32 PM

I’m assuming that Eileen makes somewhere between $5000 to $7000 an episode. She probably has a 2 day per week guarantee. A lot of the time, it really is about respect and self worth.

by Anonymousreply 100June 28, 2018 9:38 PM

R97 IM saying King doesn’t deserve her salary. Despite her two Emmy wins, she’s easily replaceable in the role. Just insert nublile young blonde.

There could be 10 different reasons why Eileen is leaving. She embodies the character so well but I can’t remember the last decent storyline or love interest she’s had. Epperson was great in the role and a close second to Davidson. And she’s still acting. But I think the upshot is the character will leave town. Mal doesn’t seem to invested in the character.

by Anonymousreply 101June 28, 2018 9:41 PM

For fuck's sake, it's not like she's a civil servant, working at the DMV!

Eileen is a celebrated actress, she gets to go to the Emmy's, fabulous parties, meet tons of famous people, and live a lavish lifestyle.

Anyone who would give that up because they want more pay (in addition to their already highly paid job), is just spoiled.

by Anonymousreply 102June 28, 2018 9:45 PM

R102 I believe she’s worth more. It’s ridiculous that the vets can’t get a raise if that’s the true reason Davidson is leaving. Makes you wonder how much longer the rest of the vets will stick around if this is the modus operandi of CBS Sony now.

by Anonymousreply 103June 28, 2018 9:53 PM

It annoys me that the cast must be aware that the ship is sinking but insist that their contracts that were put together in the glory days must be honored. Can't they have jut=st a little flexibility? Are they too stupid to realise that most of them will never get a gig like that again?

by Anonymousreply 104June 28, 2018 9:56 PM

[quote] No one is saying that Hunter King doesn’t deserve her salary,

LOL! Yeah, most people are saying they'd prefer she wasn't back, period.

And two DAYTIME Emmy wins in the Younger Actress category doesn't really say much. NATAS considered doing away with the two younger categories not that long ago, because they've become so non-competitive.

by Anonymousreply 105June 28, 2018 9:57 PM

[quote]Even if it's between $50-$100,000 per episode, that's crazy money!

No one makes that kind of money doing soaps. Are you nuts??!

by Anonymousreply 106June 28, 2018 10:08 PM

I have no doubt she was livid when the show wouldn't let her do Days again.

by Anonymousreply 107June 28, 2018 10:09 PM

If they reboot The House on Sorority Row yet again Eileen is old enough to play Mrs. Slater now.

by Anonymousreply 108June 28, 2018 10:19 PM

[R99] What? I literally spit spit out my mouth when I read that. $50-$100,000 an episode in soaps? You realize they are on year round? LOL No wonder they are going under if they pay that much (I know they don't).

Now I took a significant cut so I could be near my Bud(Always). So Eileen better just buckle up and suck it up, butter cup. Btw- I guffawed when Cynthia Watros (Annie-GL) beat for for Best Actress back in the day.

by Anonymousreply 109June 28, 2018 10:36 PM

R99, come back down to planet Earth. No one in soaps ever made $100,000 an episode. In the 90s, Deidre Hall was making a million a year pay or play and she was an exception. It's been pay cuts galore since then.

by Anonymousreply 110June 28, 2018 10:42 PM

Some of you aren’t being fair. They weren’t getting raises, while other actors were being brought on at comparable salaries. What JFP paid Steve Burton in salary and perks could have paid for 10 brand new characters. These people aren’t asking for the moon and the stars, but a 3 percent bump is not going too far. Someone like Mishael Morgan should be making a nice mid-range soap star salary, but it sounds like she was still making 2or 3rd year newbie money. How is that right?

by Anonymousreply 111June 28, 2018 10:54 PM

[quote] Eileen should be in a remake of "The Gambler," co-starring with her husband - VINCENT VAN PATTEN.

The horse is dead, Mary. No one laughed at that joke the first twenty times you made it.

by Anonymousreply 112June 28, 2018 10:58 PM

It's interesting that Epperson may not be as good an actress as Davidson, but I do remember her just as well as ED and she's been off the show for over 20 years.

Epperson got some good stories while on the show. One of my favourites was when she became stepmother to scrunchy-face cunt Victoria. Epperson did a great job trying to integrate into herself into Victor's life with Miss Piggy sticking her jealous nose up to her and Victoria being an all-around bratty bitch. Epperson did project more warmth and her attempts to be nice to Victoria were really sweet, especially knowing that Victoria was ready to stab her in the back. Epperson also had good chemistry with EB.

by Anonymousreply 113June 29, 2018 12:10 AM

*Epperson did a great job as Ashley trying to...

by Anonymousreply 114June 29, 2018 12:11 AM

[quote]Eileen is horrible as Ashley. Her best role has always been Kristen DiMera.

Yes, Eileen was very good as Kristen DiMera, but DAYS hasn't been the same since the death of the legendary Joseph Mascolo.

by Anonymousreply 115June 29, 2018 2:49 AM

Ashley is not a character that plays to Eileen's strengths. Brenda Epperson was more attuned to the role, I think. Eileen would have been better suited playing Phyllis.

by Anonymousreply 116June 29, 2018 8:45 AM

Eileen was great as Ashley when she started. But Ashley as written then was a bit of a mix of a Sharon type character with a tiny bit of Phyllis thrown in. She's evolved and matured and they just can't write her as "dumb" as she used to be. They tried, a bit, to focus on her mental confusion, etc. during the Adam storyline, and that's probably the last time they felt they really had an epic story for Ashley. Since then she's mostly been on the sidelines.

by Anonymousreply 117June 29, 2018 11:44 AM

What would really give Y&R a fresh energy is if they got rid of the Newmans and Abbotts and introduced a new generation of Brooks and Fosters, making Jaime Lyn Bauer's character the new Mrs Chancellor. Maybe Victor and Nikki could make a few guest appearences here and there, the Winters would be retained and perhaps Jill and Sharon could stay on, but I think the show desperately needs to go back to the source because it's just been repeating the same stories for years.

by Anonymousreply 118June 29, 2018 11:47 AM

R118 Agreed, new blood is needed but they'll never do it. If they haven't done so yet.

These shows will ride out their current statuses until all the money is drained from it, then they'll be killed.

by Anonymousreply 119June 29, 2018 11:49 AM

Gina Tognoni should have joined Y&R as Snapper and Chris' grown up daughter Elizabeth. A character like Phyllis had absolutely no place on the show once Stafford left but TPTB seemed to get confused with legacy characters being synonymous with those characters with tenure.

by Anonymousreply 120June 29, 2018 11:49 AM

A great idea would be to kill off the Newmans and Abbotts in a shock tragedy, maybe a gas explosion, and it would coincide with new generations of Brooks and Fosters moving to Genoa City for a cheaper lifestyle because it was too much of financial burden to live in New York or London or wherever they moved to. Then you get to shift the show from a story about rich families to middle class ones and get back in touch with the original Bill Bell concept of young people who are restless for better lives.

by Anonymousreply 121June 29, 2018 11:53 AM

Y&R has almost hit an all-time low in the key demos. They keep sinking. Days keeps rising and holding steady. It's the only soap doing well.

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by Anonymousreply 122June 29, 2018 3:42 PM

Eileen said a few years ago that they ran out of ways to victimize Ashley and she was getting sick of playing that type of role. It's why she prefers Kristen.

by Anonymousreply 123June 29, 2018 3:43 PM

I say bring back Cricket and Danny.

That would really give the show a breath of fresh air.

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by Anonymousreply 124June 29, 2018 3:47 PM

The show is shit. No wonder she's leaving. This Jack Chancellor thing is bottom barrel storytelling. Ya think they would've learned from the Jill/Katherine mother-daughter debacle, which was compounded by the Jill Fenmore debacle.

by Anonymousreply 125June 29, 2018 4:10 PM

DAYS seems to be in 4th, R122.

by Anonymousreply 126June 29, 2018 6:17 PM

Kim Zimmer IN as New Ashley

With Kim they can do fat stories now.

by Anonymousreply 127June 29, 2018 6:23 PM

La Zimmer is only 4 years older than Eileen.

by Anonymousreply 128June 29, 2018 6:28 PM

Zimmer as NuAshley? She and Traci would be competing for the last sweet roll at the iconic Abbott breakfasts.

by Anonymousreply 129June 29, 2018 6:30 PM

I would ideally like all the shows currently on air to be canceled and each network reboots an old favorite. My picks would be ATWT on CBS, AW on NBC and AMC on ABC.

by Anonymousreply 130June 29, 2018 6:33 PM

Interesting to see Days is doing big numbers on bringing back viewers compared to the previous year. Yes, they are still in 4th place but just wondering what they are doing over there that is bringing in viewers. Can’t imagine it’s the gay storyline, then again, maybe the fraus enjoy seeing two men in bed chatting.

by Anonymousreply 131June 29, 2018 6:45 PM

Is Eileen deserting a sinking ship? Y&R, and the genre itself after nearly 80 years, is pretty much at the bitter end. Sad to see it go, but all good things must come to and end, and these shows stopped being good years ago.

by Anonymousreply 132June 29, 2018 6:54 PM

Well, it's certainly true that the genre has been around for a long time, and perhaps lasted longer than anyone would have thought back in the Mid-Twentieth Century.

But as many people have noted in recent years, the soap genre has been overshadowed by real-life dramas from the daily news.

by Anonymousreply 133June 29, 2018 7:03 PM

I miss the good old days of Y&R. I started watching it in the early 90’s & it was such a great show back then. I can only imagine how excellent a show it was in the 70’s with the Brooks/Fosters/Chancellor families & certainly in the 80’s in the beginning of the Newman/Williams/Abbott storylines. I wish I had been old enough to watch it during the original Elieen Davidson run, & when Terry Lester & Brendad Dickson were on.

*sigh* I miss when soaps ruled. I miss staying home sick from school & watching them & game shows & daytime talk shows. I miss daily trips with the rents to the local magazine stand weekly to pick up copies of all the soap magazines.

by Anonymousreply 134June 29, 2018 7:10 PM

[quote] Kim Zimmer IN as New Ashley

Hopefully she'll bring her son JAKE WEARY on as a guest star!!!!

I want to see him play a role like his Deran on "Animal Kingdom," and rolls around in the hay with other hot guys!!

(PS I think it's funny that Kim wouldn't let Jake play gay on a soap, but he ended up doing it anyway!)

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by Anonymousreply 135June 29, 2018 7:13 PM

Eileen is just jealous. Silly girl thinks she deserves more for acting better -- I married up without a prenup.

by Anonymousreply 136June 29, 2018 7:19 PM

It true that soaps have had some problems over the years, but what a lot of the die hard and older fans don’t seem to take into account is that the decline in soap viewership mirrors the decline in network television viewship. But it also tracks with the nature of the viewing audience. A daytime soap is a commitment. The very essence of soap opera is a continuing story that unfolds over years. Most people, now, don’t have the time or patience to commit to that kind of show.

Serialized storytelling hasn’t died, but the audience prefers it in 22 or 13 weekly episodes one season at a time.

IMO, the future of soap opera lies in the “Peyton Place” model from the 60s. A thirty minute show, shown 2 times a week in primetime, set in a small town that focuses on 10 to 15 characters.

Enjoy the final 4 soaps, because once they go that’s it. Networks can’t afford to create new shows and the audience is no longer there for them.

by Anonymousreply 137June 29, 2018 7:20 PM

Have the Y&R writers bring back Kay Chancellor from the dead and cast Erika Slezak.

by Anonymousreply 138June 29, 2018 7:23 PM

[quote] DAYS seems to be in 4th, [R122].

It’s called key demos. That’s all that matters.

by Anonymousreply 139June 29, 2018 7:28 PM

[quote] Have the Y&R writers bring back Kay Chancellor from the dead

I'm available for the part!

by Anonymousreply 140June 29, 2018 7:28 PM

Days is also raking up all the Emmys.

by Anonymousreply 141June 29, 2018 7:29 PM

DAYTIME Emmys.

by Anonymousreply 142June 29, 2018 7:29 PM

DAYPART Emmys.

by Anonymousreply 143June 29, 2018 7:30 PM

Yep. Beating out Y&R.

by Anonymousreply 144June 29, 2018 7:31 PM

r141 that's because there's no competition. With only 4 soaps on the air, Emmys mean shit.

by Anonymousreply 145June 29, 2018 7:31 PM

[quote]I'm available for the part!

Only a few more days to go before you make 102 years old, Olivia!

by Anonymousreply 146June 29, 2018 7:33 PM

Ahen, there's only one person qualified to play Katherine.

by Anonymousreply 147June 29, 2018 7:38 PM

Erika looks too old to play Mrs. C.

by Anonymousreply 148June 29, 2018 7:38 PM

[quote]A daytime soap is a commitment. The very essence of soap opera is a continuing story that unfolds over years. Most people, now, don’t have the time or patience to commit to that kind of show.

I agree.

We're living in a different time period today.

People don't have the attention span to follow long narratives the way they did several decades ago.

by Anonymousreply 149June 29, 2018 7:41 PM

Judi Dench might pull off a good Kay C recast.

But she's far too good for that dreck.

by Anonymousreply 150June 29, 2018 7:41 PM

Now would be a good time to bring back all old favs, it would really shoot the ratings up to bring back Brenda Dickson, Victoria Rowell, Kimberlin Brown, etc. all the difficult/Republican bitches but the audience loved them. Bring back Michelle Stafford, Heather Tom, etc.

by Anonymousreply 151June 29, 2018 7:42 PM
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by Anonymousreply 152June 29, 2018 7:44 PM

R151, Victoria Rowell is a Democrat.

by Anonymousreply 153June 29, 2018 7:47 PM

I would agree that the audience doesn't have the same attention span for soaps except Game Of Thrones and The Walking Dead have proven that wrong. Even Grey's Anatomy - with very uneven writing- seems to be able to keep their audience tuned in.

The only difference is that those shows don't run 5 days a week without reruns. Maybe with better writing and better acting, the networks could revive soaps by not having them on every single day.

by Anonymousreply 154June 29, 2018 7:47 PM

R153 I said Rebublican and/or “difficult”(supposedly)

by Anonymousreply 155June 29, 2018 7:52 PM

I have no doubt that just like Sony did with NBC and Days - they'll work to broker some kind of deal with CBS to keep this show on till its 50th Anniversary in March 2023.

After that ....

by Anonymousreply 156June 29, 2018 7:54 PM

Oh R151, if Kimberlin the republicunt came back she'd be focused on trying to incarcerate Devon on Y&R for acting while black. Or she'd try do deport half the City of LA on B&B.

Then for ratings gold, there would need to be a white incel character (Scott Clifton maybe) to take her out with his AR-15.

by Anonymousreply 157June 29, 2018 7:59 PM

Soaps have always had questionable acting and writing because of the speed at which it all happens. One of the main problems is that soap stopped pushing the envelope and shocking people. The last time a soap story shocked anyone, it was Marlena Evans levitating over her bed. Because the audience is smaller, soaps are more careful than ever to not piss off fanbases and their older, more conservative audience. Writers aren’t allowed to write outside of the box because a certain couple can’t be broken up because of fan revolt or backstage politics where certain actors won’t play certain stories for religious beliefs or because they don’t like their scene partner.

Unfortunately, the writers get the blame for a lot of bullshit that is beyond their control. This happens a lot at Y&R.

by Anonymousreply 158June 29, 2018 8:00 PM

R158 in the late 70’s Kay Chancellor had a semi “lesbian” story and it was groundbreaking. Recently the writers tried an actual lesbian romance storyline on Y&R & the audience complained pretty hard. As long as daytime soaps are not ready to move into the new century, eventually they are going to expire.

by Anonymousreply 159June 29, 2018 8:05 PM

The writers on Y&R seem to be making it up as they go along. There's no sense of cohesive storytelling. It all feels very much on the fly.

by Anonymousreply 160June 29, 2018 8:05 PM

Those ratings are still very low. Yikes! It is clear young people do not watch soaps.

GL and ATWT were pushing some controversial stories in their last years (lesbian/gay) and both were picking up some steam at the last but CBS didn't want them. They both could have been saved if they were shortened to an 30 minutes each. My point, CBS wants out of the soap biz and will sabotage their last 2 soaps NO MATTER WHAT. By 2020, soaps will be gone.

by Anonymousreply 161June 29, 2018 8:09 PM

I think Y&R died the day Jeanne Cooper passed. The only reason I stil watched was for the Jill/Kay rivalry, & the writers even tried to ruin that with that terrible “mother/daughter” storyline. Having the show without Katherine Chancellor is like bringing back the Golden Girls without Bea Arthur.

by Anonymousreply 162June 29, 2018 8:09 PM

I will cry the day Y&R goes off the air, yes I know it’s a sucky show, but Y&R is my childhood. I was already upset when they took off AMC,GL, & ATWT & I didn’t even regularly watch those !

by Anonymousreply 163June 29, 2018 8:11 PM

What do you mean, R162? I'm available to lead another series.

by Anonymousreply 164June 29, 2018 8:11 PM

Y&R died years ago with the death of Bill Bell. Jeanne’s death was just the final nail in the coffin.

by Anonymousreply 165June 29, 2018 8:14 PM

Seeing the two oldest, most iconic soaps (GL & ATWT) sabotaged and cancelled was devastating. I knew the writing was on the wall for soaps at that moment. I think it sent chills down all soap people when GL was cancelled because they all knew it was sabotaged. That show made CBS billions and was a record breaking show. They don't give a flip about cutting the throats of their other two shows.

by Anonymousreply 166June 29, 2018 8:14 PM

I miss the days of Terry Lester, Brenda and her pouty puss, hands on hips, screeching at Kay, Nina, Rose deVille, the baby stealer, Loren in a box storyline and Mamie keeping the peace with her famous cinnamon rolls.

by Anonymousreply 167June 29, 2018 8:19 PM

That damn Rose deVille took all our doughnuts across the hall to B&B's green room. Bitch.

by Anonymousreply 168June 29, 2018 8:25 PM

R162, I pitched that idea for the last two seasons.

by Anonymousreply 169June 29, 2018 8:26 PM

The show makes me pine for the glory days of Lynn Marie Latham: Nikki the senate candidate, Ji Min romancing Jill, diamond smuggling, Amber, and a spa being blown up.

by Anonymousreply 170June 29, 2018 8:29 PM

2005 was Y&R's last good year. Cassie's death and Sheila's return was absolutely riveting soap opera. I remember being in a college dorm when this Friday cliffhanger aired and everyone was like OH SHIT. It's ironic that Bill Bell died the year these stories aired. Once he was gone, the show just fell apart.

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by Anonymousreply 171June 29, 2018 8:29 PM

[quote] There's no sense of cohesive storytelling.

Things like that tend to happen when a show has 10 different teams of headwriter(s) and almost as many executive producers (8) over the last 12 years. .. Everyone comes in to 'fix' something, and the only thing they seem to have in common is that they end up introducing some ridiculous retcon that screws things up even more.

by Anonymousreply 172June 29, 2018 8:30 PM

[quote]I think Y&R died the day Jeanne Cooper passed. The only reason I stil watched was for the Jill/Kay rivalry, & the writers even tried to ruin that with that terrible “mother/daughter” storyline.

Yes, the death of Jeanne Cooper was the end of an era.

It's good that Jeanne finally won an Emmy a few years before she died.

And yes, although Jess Walton & Jeanne Cooper had a good relationship in real life, it was probably the wrong idea to make Jill & Katharine mother & daughter. It ruined what was one of the best rivalries in the show's history.

by Anonymousreply 173June 29, 2018 8:32 PM

[R172] Except is is deliberate. They did this to both GL and ATWT (and I think AMC and OLTL). All sabotage, esp with GL & ATWT as far as CBS. I hate to see them doing this to Y&R. The bring in all these people to fix the show except they aren't trying to fix the show but just to give them cover when it fails.

by Anonymousreply 174June 29, 2018 8:34 PM

They can get rid of Eric Braeden, Mel Thomas Scott and any of the old timers. It's daytime. They can massacre the whole cast and get new comers and as long as you have a good writer they can pull the same ratings. Hell I bet they would pull better ratings. I always thought a show like that should just fire the whole cast and hire new actors and just restart the show. Pick a point in time when the show was really popular and just retell all the stories from there. They reboot all these movies, why not reboot a soap?

by Anonymousreply 175June 29, 2018 8:40 PM

I think they should fire EB and Melody and reboot the whole thing. Hell, they could go back to Bill Bell's original scripts and just recast the principle roles. They wouldn't have to pay writers. Just remake the show.

by Anonymousreply 176June 29, 2018 8:44 PM

R174 My view on that is to remember that Sony Pictures ain't P&G (a consumer products conglomerate, who simply saw their shows as a form of advertising). .. As an entertainment company, SPE wants their shows to remain on the air. That's the business they're in. .. The main issue with Y&R (since Bill Bell retired) seems to be the politics, personalities, and power plays among Sony, CBS, and whoever is in the EP position. Lately, The Bell Family seems to have retreated from this and now give full attention to the show they fully own (B&B).

by Anonymousreply 177June 29, 2018 8:53 PM

It would be strange if B&B outlasted Y&R, since Y&R was first & was always the stronger show (in my opinion)

by Anonymousreply 178June 29, 2018 8:57 PM

B&B was such a joke for so long. Horrible acting and terrible stories. I can't believe that shit lasted this long. Truly sad.

by Anonymousreply 179June 29, 2018 9:01 PM

The writing on B&B makes Y&R look like Shakespeare.

by Anonymousreply 180June 29, 2018 9:24 PM

So true, R180.

by Anonymousreply 181June 29, 2018 9:26 PM

B&B was never the same after Darlene Conley died. Sally Spectra was such an essential part of the show.

And Susan Flannery was also a big part of its success. Her retirement was also the end of an era.

by Anonymousreply 182June 29, 2018 10:40 PM

Ronn Moss' departure destroyed B&B.

by Anonymousreply 183June 29, 2018 10:47 PM

If Y&R or B&B is canned they should just have Sheila massacre everybody.

by Anonymousreply 184June 29, 2018 10:48 PM

Is Kimberlin Brown still on B&B?

Now that she is a Republican candidate in California, she should be required to leave the show.

by Anonymousreply 185June 29, 2018 10:50 PM

Ronn Moss' arrival destroyed B&B, r183.

Trust, I was married to him 14 times.

by Anonymousreply 186June 29, 2018 10:50 PM

[quote]Ronn Moss' departure destroyed B&B.

How so?

by Anonymousreply 187June 29, 2018 10:53 PM

Maybe I will get a raise now... and a storyline.

by Anonymousreply 188June 29, 2018 10:54 PM

[quote] (PS I think it's funny that Kim wouldn't let Jake play gay on a soap, but he ended up doing it anyway!)

An oft repeated falsehood.

Jake was 15 or 16 when they were setting up the Luke storyline, and neither he nor Zimmer thought he could tackle something that complex at that age.

I don't think it was homophobic, though it sounded like he just wanted to meet girls and be on TV at the time.

by Anonymousreply 189June 29, 2018 11:37 PM

2005 was a good year, with the Sheila story in particular being the highlight. But they then fucked it up by turning her into doppelganger Phyllis.

by Anonymousreply 190June 29, 2018 11:58 PM

Tell me about it, R190.

by Anonymousreply 191June 30, 2018 12:00 AM

R188 Aww. LOL. I love Tracey Bregman and Lauren. Haven't watched regularly in years but I was a Lauren/Michael fan.

by Anonymousreply 192June 30, 2018 1:18 AM

I agree with r171 that 2005 was the last great year on Y&R. However, I knew the deaths of Cassie and John Abbott were not a good omen for the show. At the time, they created riveting stories from the fallout (the affair between Nick and Phyllis, Gloria and the cream, Terrible Tom) but the long-term effects hurt the show. Because the following stories just started to make no sense and both Cassie and John were beloved characters, so much they're STILL talked about today.

The last decade has been an endless revolving door of changing regimes, each worse than the last. Stories are stale, repetitive and are not mapped out like they were in the Bill Bell years.

And frankly, I am sick of the Newmans. They've dominated the show for so long that they have become boring and their stories just repeat the same nonsense of Victor fighting with his family and then they come together during some tragedy.

by Anonymousreply 193June 30, 2018 2:00 AM

R49 was long but had me laughing all throughout. Oh, Brendad Ickson!

by Anonymousreply 194June 30, 2018 2:46 AM

Look at all the good I do!

by Anonymousreply 195June 30, 2018 2:48 AM

[quote]I think Y&R died the day Jeanne Cooper passed. The only reason I stil watched was for the Jill/Kay rivalry

Here's a great Jill vs. Katharine fight:

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by Anonymousreply 196June 30, 2018 2:57 AM

I wish the Jill-Kay feud from 1998 when they were fighting over Chancellor Mansion was up on youtube. That was a fabulous story.

by Anonymousreply 197June 30, 2018 2:59 AM

Agreed, the feud over Chancellor Mansion was brilliant. A great way to keep the Katherine/Jill feud going but also to push another long-running story.

by Anonymousreply 198June 30, 2018 3:02 AM

Good bye tramp. Too bad YouTube deleted that fabulous scene.

by Anonymousreply 199June 30, 2018 3:05 AM

R90 it’s from Brendad’s actual Facebook. She posts these long, barely coherent, and grammatically appalling diatribes about her many betrayals...and then accompanies this with an overly photoshopped “glamor” photo of her 85 year old self in some slutty teenagers clothing. It’s trashtacular.

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by Anonymousreply 200June 30, 2018 3:15 AM

No joke, if they brought Brenda back, it’d be ratings gold if nothing else for the increase in gay viewers.l

by Anonymousreply 201June 30, 2018 3:17 AM

The Young and Restless and the Bold and Beautiful haven't really changed in over a decade. Bold and Beautiful hasn't ever changed.

Y & R is still, Victor and Nikki together/apart/ lather rinse repeat. Victor fighting with his kids/close with the kids/fighting with the kids. In between these warmed over storylines they will throw a bunch of newbies in that no one cares about

B & B - Ridge/Brook together then apart, then Brook/someone else (usually a forrester family member or someone involved with one of her family members. Lather, Rinse and Repeat AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN for 25 years. How anyone watches this stupid, fucking unimaginative, uncreative show is beyond me. And like the above show, they sporadically throw in newbies no one cares about

by Anonymousreply 202June 30, 2018 3:17 AM

Any where abouts for “Daniel” Michael Graziadei? He was sure a cutie pie.

by Anonymousreply 203June 30, 2018 3:17 AM

Earlier I was thinking about the scene where Sharon confronted Nick about his affair wearing the lingerie she saw Phyllis buy. I loved that scene. YT has an excerpt but not the whole thing. I wish I could find that episode.

by Anonymousreply 204June 30, 2018 3:54 AM

R203 Graz is on Instagram. He doesn't post that often, but the shot below is from when he voted in the recent California June primary. His steady girlfriend whom he lives with also posts on her instagram. She's quite hot.

One thing about Graz is that he's an amazing chef. I don't know if he does that as a side when he's not acting, but he's really quite masterful. His dishes look fantastic. He's apparently especially good with sushi.

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by Anonymousreply 205June 30, 2018 4:39 AM

On vacation in Mexico.

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by Anonymousreply 206June 30, 2018 4:40 AM

R203 He works out at 24 Fitness by the Cineramadome, usually late mornings.

by Anonymousreply 207June 30, 2018 5:00 AM

Michael Graziadei showed his naked ass in "Boogeyman 2":

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by Anonymousreply 208June 30, 2018 8:17 AM

[quote] Any where abouts for “Daniel” Michael Graziadei? He was sure a cutie pie.

Please no. He suffers from classic witch face.

by Anonymousreply 209June 30, 2018 8:32 AM

I'd like to see Brenda Epperson back as Ashley because it would be interesting to see how the energy on the show would change and to see her maternal scenes with Abby. She's a very appealing actress and I think she could give the show that warmth that has been missing.

by Anonymousreply 210June 30, 2018 10:00 AM

Being Brenda back as a Ashley! Bring Brenda well hello Dickson back as Jill! And Victoria Rowel back as Dru!!! Must see Y&R.

by Anonymousreply 211July 1, 2018 12:24 AM

Wouldn't mind Epperson and especially Rowell back, but no way to Dickson. Horrible actress, her frozen botox face is scary and she's batshit crazy.

by Anonymousreply 212July 1, 2018 12:41 AM

R212 I’m with you. Brenda IS Jill and campy as hell, but let’s leavr her in the 80’s where she belongs. Republican, batshit crazy & wonky eyed. I miss the Brenda of the 70’s. That was the Jill I loved.

On that note, would love to see Epperson & Rowell back.

by Anonymousreply 213July 1, 2018 1:34 AM

R212 & r213 batshit crazy could save Y&R!

by Anonymousreply 214July 1, 2018 1:45 AM

R214 Y&R could draw me back in as a viewer if they brought back Epperson, Rowell, Michelle Stafford, Tricia Cast, Kimberlin Brown, & Heather Tom. I would love for you to come back Brenda Dickson but you are too cray cray even for daytime TV now, bye girl.

by Anonymousreply 215July 1, 2018 1:50 AM

R215: I always wanted to have them all in a surprise, background table at the GC Club, quietly sipping wine while a scene takes place. See if the audience realizes or recognizes them. Fun.

by Anonymousreply 216July 1, 2018 1:55 AM

Totally agree on a reboot (since it was my idea lol) - No one can complain about the writing of B&B it was written by Bell himself the first 10 years or so.

by Anonymousreply 217July 1, 2018 2:00 AM

I read an interview with Jeanne Cooper some years back in which she said Brenda Dickson was becoming difficult to work with.

Dickson often didn't know her lines and Cooper said she had to keep feeding them to her.

by Anonymousreply 218July 1, 2018 2:12 AM

Jeanne Cooper was such a Bell ass kisser. Fuck her. She knew Brenda was being sexually manipulated by Bill Bell but to solidify her position on the show she sided with the Bells. Lee Bell is one STUPID woman if she believes her husband was faithful.

by Anonymousreply 219July 1, 2018 2:18 AM

R218 and Jeanne was one of the few cast members who felt some kind of fondness for Dickson. Copper & Thom Beirdz liked her but Jerry Douglas couldn’t stand her & stated that publicly.

I’d like to know how /what made Brenda Dickson into who she was today. I read many soap magazine interviews with her from back in the 70’s where she seemed semi-normal. Does she have some kind of mental health issues? She’s such a fascinating, but disturbing character. Someone needs to start a seperate thread on this, if there hasn’t been already. I’m sure there are dozens of threads about this already.

by Anonymousreply 220July 1, 2018 2:22 AM

Cooper's best scenes were always with Dickson. That's probably why she felt some fondness towards her. Their scenes just crackled with tension, and you can't write that kind of chemistry - it comes from the actors. By the end of her run, Dickson was very stiff and awkward in her scenes, but whenever she was in a scene with Cooper, she played it well because of their chemistry and the characters' back stories.

by Anonymousreply 221July 1, 2018 2:37 AM

R221 I just can’t picture her coming back to show now, especially with Cooper gone. I really don’t see it working. I think even with limited Bell involvement & Bill Bell gone, I don’t picture her as an easy person to work with. There is definitely some mental health issues there.

That being said, if she came back for a “guest appearance” or two, I would totally tune in.

by Anonymousreply 222July 1, 2018 2:42 AM

Jess Walton has played Jill for 30 years now.

She IS Jill to most viewers of the show today.

by Anonymousreply 223July 1, 2018 2:48 AM

r223 yes. I like Walton and she is a better actress than Dickson, but Dickson brought that extra something that even Walton couldn't brng and that people still remember today.

Cooper and Walton's scenes together were great; Cooper and Dickson's scenes were CLASSIC.

The Cooper/Dickon scenes were the epitome of classic soap opera. The bitchiness, hatred and venom just jumped off the screen and it was must-see TV. Katherine was much more vindictive and nasty with Dickson's Jill. She softened more with Walton's Jill.

by Anonymousreply 224July 1, 2018 2:53 AM

R223 I’ve actually met Jess (along with the rest of the cast)at these yearly meet-and-greats they used to do. I’ve meet a ton of the cast members (including the late Paul Walker! Who was super friendly) but Jess stood out as particularly nice. This was in the early 90’s. I agree that Brenda was Jill in that she created her, shares the same characteristics, but Jess can really act. Brenda was just playing herself 1983 on.

by Anonymousreply 225July 1, 2018 2:56 AM

It's interesting to watch Brenda in the '70s episodes vs. the '80s. I was too young to watch the show in the '70s but the clips I've seen, she is much more natural and shows more vulnerability and range.

The '80s, she is campy and diva-ish. And it seems that she got stuck in that diva persona and never left.

by Anonymousreply 226July 1, 2018 3:00 AM

r226, that was the writing, not Dickson's choice. Bill Bell and the producers turned her into an Alexis clone. Dickson said as much in the E Hollywood True Story. She recounted an incident where the script had Jill crying at the end of a scene. Bell included that scene to show that Jill, however super-bitchy she was, still had some vulnerability. According to Brenda, one of the LA producers (I suppose either Wes Kenney or Ed Scott) eliminated the crying scene without informing Bell, who was in Chicago. Brenda got caught in the middle of a creative war between Bell and Kenney/Scott. She may be embellishing but I tend to believe her recounting of that.

by Anonymousreply 227July 1, 2018 3:15 AM

Jeanne was sympathetic to Brenda because Jeanne knew what was going on. Brenda was being used a pawn. Bell was writing the scripts one way and Brenda was being directed to play them another way, Brenda got the blame for it and was branded as "problematic". Listen, Brenda was no angel, but she got used, played and then discarded. During that time a lot of shit was going down on that set and Brenda got fired unfairly.

by Anonymousreply 228July 1, 2018 3:17 AM

I’d have sympathy for Brenda but she’s a Trump supporter.

by Anonymousreply 229July 1, 2018 3:24 AM

[quote]But as many people have noted in recent years, the soap genre has been overshadowed by "real-life" dramas from narcissistic sociopaths, freak show residents, and morons.

Fixed that for you, R133.

by Anonymousreply 230July 1, 2018 3:29 AM

R198, another way to keep it going would be for Jill to be suckered in by some gold digger after one of her kids and that bitch becomes Jill, and Jill becomes Kay and Jill looks up at a portrait of Kay and says, 'you old bat...you must be laughing at me now. '

by Anonymousreply 231July 1, 2018 4:00 AM

Wasn't Michael Graziadei pretty terrible to Davetta Sherwood when she was playing Lily?

by Anonymousreply 232July 1, 2018 4:09 AM

fantastic Blake/ Alexandra scene here; it's quite dramatic the way Alexandra throws open the door but Blake had to be standing back so it wouldn't hit her which she wouldn't have in real life; other than that this scene is classic GL - amazing to think they could shoot this and a whole show in a day.

I love how Blake/Sherry takes command of the scene by exiting after dropping her bombshell.

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by Anonymousreply 233July 1, 2018 4:12 AM

Speaking of 'Guiding Light', Eileen Fulton, who played Lisa for nearly 50 years, will be 85 in September.

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by Anonymousreply 234July 1, 2018 6:07 AM

Whoops, I meant "As the World Turns".

by Anonymousreply 235July 1, 2018 6:08 AM

R223 Jess is a nice person, but she ruined the character of Jill.

by Anonymousreply 236July 1, 2018 6:37 AM

How so, R236?

Jess has won 2 Emmys for playing Jill.

by Anonymousreply 237July 1, 2018 9:17 AM

Jill became a caricature when Brenda came back in 83 because the character was isolated. Her brothers were gone from the canvas, her tv mother was on/off with sporadic appearances. There was nobody to remind Jill who she had been = except for Kay. And it was the Dynasty era where Alexis ruled and of course the irony that the Jill before Brenda returned, Deborah Adair went to Dynasty freeing up the part for Brenda to come back. Adair never was directed to play Jill the way Brenda was. It was jarring.

And sorry Jess Walton's acting makes my blood pressure rise. She plays one way = angry at the world. Her 2 emmys speak to her popularity in the industry - she IS well liked. Peter Bergman's 1st emmy win as Jack was the industry reacting to ABC firing him as Cliff Warner and everyone happy he landed a plum role like Jack Abbott. He certainly has never reached Terry Lester's great run as Jack.

by Anonymousreply 238July 1, 2018 10:11 AM

Peter Bergman has won 3 Emmys for playing Jack Abbott and has been nominated about a dozen times.

Terry Lester was strong as Jack, but Bergman has made just as big an impact.

by Anonymousreply 239July 1, 2018 10:21 AM

I thInk Walton & Bergman did just fine as Jill & Jack considering they had big shoes to fill. The Brenda Dickson diehards always sound like Brenda herself. She was never anything but a victim, pure & simple. I hate to break it to you, I read Brenda’s book, seen her You Tube videos, etc & the woman is two fries short of a happy meal. There has to be more going on than the story she told. Bill Bell having Mafia connections? really? I find it difficult on that on DL the gay guys trash any other person who comes close to being a Trump-Loving Republican but Le Dickson is spared for.whatever reason, while she is one of the biggest & craziest of them all. I hate to break it to her gay male fans, she may have played Jill like a gay mans wet dream, but she is no ally to the gays. Also, Jess took her frozen-in-time Alexis Carrington version (funny how The writers or whoever didn’t care to have Jess Portray Jill so one dimensional?) & Gave her more complexity. You may not like Jess’s continuation of the character (I look at it more like a completely differently incarnation), but at least let’s be honest about what BD is really about.

by Anonymousreply 240July 1, 2018 12:28 PM

Jeanne Cooper says in this interview that Brenda Dickson was victimised by the cast and crew so try again r218:

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by Anonymousreply 241July 1, 2018 12:52 PM

Nice scene with Brenda Epperson's Ashley at the 12 minute mark. Hope she comes back to the show.

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by Anonymousreply 242July 1, 2018 1:18 PM

R241 she said some of the cast played tricks on her,etc where is the proof that the Bill Bell blackmailed her & all the other stuff Brenda says happened? Brenda is dyslexic, so it’s completely unfair, but I’m sure some of the other cast & crew were mean to her, but it doesn’t sound like she was some target of an electorate plan by the Bell’s.

Notice also Jeanne sticks up for how Jess portrayed the character?

by Anonymousreply 243July 1, 2018 1:24 PM

I used to watch Y&R until they got rid of Phyllis and Kevin. Haven't watched since. I can't believe this show has so many black characters but not one gay.

by Anonymousreply 244July 1, 2018 1:51 PM

Emmy winner?!?! That's bloody LOL!

by Anonymousreply 245July 1, 2018 2:08 PM

R244, you do realize it’s not an either or proposition, right?

By the way, wasn’t there a lesbian introduced within the last two years?

by Anonymousreply 246July 1, 2018 2:18 PM

R244 the Kevin character ran its course like 10 years ago btw.

by Anonymousreply 247July 1, 2018 2:49 PM

Yes Brenda D is cray cray but she’s the fun camp this show needs...we can call her out but no one is discussing how nasty Eric Braeden is?! He came to blows with co stars.

by Anonymousreply 248July 1, 2018 3:15 PM

Brenda isn't coming back, Y&R is basically done with Jill. Brenda has gone a little of the top, but she was THE Jill. I don't think Bill Bell had mob ties or anything like that. Brenda got caught up in some backstage war and got blamed for shit that wasn't her fault. She did complain when the SORASed Phillip, but she was right to do that. Bill Bell was the king of over SORASing character's children

by Anonymousreply 249July 1, 2018 3:48 PM

r249 agreed. Walton has been in the role over 30 years and they’re not gonna turn back now. Dickson was a lousy actress but she had a great campy appeal. Just watched some of the scenes on YouTube between Dickson and Walton. Jess blows her out of the water. Jess has said she would like to work more than she does, but she just pops in like three times a year now for a couple days. Jill without Katherine is much less anyway.

by Anonymousreply 250July 1, 2018 4:08 PM

I think Brenda brought out more of the romantic Jill. Jess has never been able to sell that, she's always been hard and harsh.

by Anonymousreply 251July 1, 2018 4:12 PM

I was too young to see Eileen's Ashley in the 80s and Brenda Epperson's version is the one I grew up with. For me, she is the true Ashley. When I see Eileen on Y&R, i just think 'What's Kristen doing on this show?'

by Anonymousreply 252July 1, 2018 4:14 PM

OMG, poor Brenda! What do you think it was?

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by Anonymousreply 253July 1, 2018 9:17 PM

[quote]no one is discussing how nasty Eric Braeden is?! He came to blows with co stars.

As far as I know, the only time that happened was one time a couple of decades ago when he & Peter Bergman had a fight.

They buried the hatchet a long time ago.

by Anonymousreply 254July 1, 2018 9:24 PM

Apparently Michael Muhney told Braeden to his face that he was going to replace him as the star of the show and it led to him getting fired.

by Anonymousreply 255July 1, 2018 9:25 PM

Muhney knew how to push Braeden's buttons, and did so whenever he could.

He though he was untouchable due to his very loyal (to put it lightly) fanbase, but he wasn't.

by Anonymousreply 256July 1, 2018 9:28 PM

I thought Michael Muhney was fired for sexually harassing a female co-star?

by Anonymousreply 257July 1, 2018 9:31 PM

He supposedly grabbed Hunter King's tits. He's denied it and she's never spoken about it, so who knows.

by Anonymousreply 258July 1, 2018 9:34 PM

R257 he was. But there was shit going on behind the scenes, particularly with Braeden. I think if CBS Sony had his back, or if he was a veteran of the show he might’ve weathered it. I think Sharon Case was his only friend on the show. They were only too happy to get rid of him.

by Anonymousreply 259July 1, 2018 9:36 PM

[quote] Wasn't Michael Graziadei pretty terrible to Davetta Sherwood when she was playing Lily?

As far as I know, the only "proof" of that is one of VR's one-sided "bedtime stories" on twitter where she reported an instance where Graz supposedly got pissed at DS and shouted some profanities at her, then walked off the set ... presumably because she was unprepared for a scene, messing up her lines, and generally wasting everyone's time (once again). In today's "one-take" environment, that can't be tolerated, so who knows what frustrations had been building?

There was a radio interview done a couple years later, wherein Graz was asked about "Daniel and Lily." .. At that time, he had nothing but high praise for Christel Khalil, saying how the two of them were always in-synch and how much they loved working with each other - adding that, off-set, CK is like a sister to him. IOW, a real mutual admiration society.

But when the interviewer asked about DS as Lily - DEAD SILENCE. A very long pause. He said NOTHING. .. When the interviewer tried to prompt him with additional questions. Zip nada zilch. The subject had to be changed. I suppose he can be applauded for his discretion on the matter .. lol!

by Anonymousreply 260July 1, 2018 9:50 PM

Y&R like to make an example of their 'difficult' stars... Dickson, Rowell, Muhney.... see a pattern here?

by Anonymousreply 261July 1, 2018 10:19 PM

Please do not include Rowell in your gallery of criminals and fools. And if Y&R really wanted to make an example of a difficult actors, Eric Braeden would have been gone long ago.

He has become my sole reason for not watching.

by Anonymousreply 262July 1, 2018 10:35 PM

r262, honey Vick Rowell is a loon. Don't let her off the hook because she's black.

by Anonymousreply 263July 1, 2018 10:38 PM

Eric and Victoria are some of the most difficult Of the bunch. Sorry.

Wonder why Heather Tom has never wanted to come “home” again?

by Anonymousreply 264July 2, 2018 12:51 AM

I don't actually care what happened behind the scenes, Davetta Sherwood was the obviously superior Lily.

by Anonymousreply 265July 2, 2018 12:55 AM

Except for the fact that her Lily came off like she'd grown up in some urban, inner city in America instead of over in Europe where Lily had attended the priciest private schools that France and Italy had to offer.

by Anonymousreply 266July 2, 2018 1:21 AM

That's what a lot of people don't understand R266. Their argument is that because Dru and Malcolm (Lily's parents) were more "urban", Lily should acted that way as well. Which is bullshit. You don't come out of fancy European boarding schools rolling your neck and popping your gum and speaking Ebonics.

by Anonymousreply 267July 2, 2018 1:42 AM

Davetta's Lily was like Dee on What's Happening.

Lily: Shut up, Daniel. Get me a soda!

by Anonymousreply 268July 2, 2018 4:07 AM

Why did Heather Tom leave? It never made sense to me. Something about cutting her time on air? Yet they give that current wet mop Victoria so many front burner stories. Did Tom and Braeden hate each other? Tom's Victoria was the only character who never seemed to cave to Victor.

The whole Muhney debacle is still unclear. He just posted a few weeks ago that he never sexually harassed King and nobody responded or denied his claims (unless I missed them). I think it was Muhney's diva antics that caused his termination but I find it odd that the sexual harassment claims were not denied at the time.

by Anonymousreply 269July 2, 2018 4:20 AM

Y&R has always been one of the soap that’s kept so many of its original actors in their roles. Tom was the shows future star she left because of backstage drama I suspect

by Anonymousreply 270July 2, 2018 4:24 AM

Aside from the Braeden/Bergman fight and Dickson's firing, Y&R always seemed like such a well-run and "together" show. But I remember the Daytime Confidential interview with Rowell started to chip away with that, and the last decade or so a lot of the turmoil behind the scenes has come out.

I would love a book about Y&R and all the backstage drama. It really seems like toxic Hell.

by Anonymousreply 271July 2, 2018 4:29 AM

R269, Braeden destroyed any chance of a Muhney return to Y&R with what he wrote about him in his book.

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by Anonymousreply 272July 2, 2018 4:38 AM

R271, there was an authorized Bill Bell biography that came about about 5 years ago. There's not a ton of drama in it because it was authorized but also because Bill Bell ran a tight ship.

There wasn't constant writer turnover or even producer turnover; there was like 4 or 5 producers in 30 years: Conboy, someone named Pat something? Wes Kenney and Ed Scott.

I believe Heather Tom left because she was making BIG bucks and the studio went to her and said we need you to take a pay cut; instead of doing that Tom quit, went to OLTL in NY; they probably didn't match her money, but they gave her big story (as Kelly) and she scored an Emmy nom.

Tom was on her feet when Genie Francis won in her category. She lived in NY for a year, loved it, ran the NY marathon and took advantage of being in the city.

Her option was to stay in LA, take the cut and continue to play Victoria; I think if Tom's Vicky had been in an abuse story she might have cut his balls off.

This is odd...when Francis won production plays the B&B theme - not the GH theme.

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by Anonymousreply 273July 2, 2018 4:54 AM

R262, Eric Braeden may have a big ego, but he's one of the most legendary male actors on Daytime.

He made Victor Newman an institution and has had far more impact than some 15-minute wonder nameless young stud.

by Anonymousreply 274July 2, 2018 5:47 AM

Eric Braeden and his massive ego, though, have hurt the show. The show is just the same story over and over again so they can cater to Braeden's ego. Victor always wins; Jack always loses. Victor beats up the bad guys even though they are twice his size. It's boring and predictable. It's more entertaining when Victor is truly threatened or on the losing end and Victor tries to one-up Jack.

Victor was written better in the '80s and '90s so he was more interesting, but for the last 20 years it's just the same nonsense.

by Anonymousreply 275July 2, 2018 6:17 AM

The reason why no one can say why MM was "fired" is because, if they did, they'd be lying.

The way it went down is, he wasn't fired (for cause), nor did they have to provide any official reason (on paper) as to why he was being let go.

All they did was wait until his already pre-determined and agreed-upon 26-week cycle date in his existing contract and notify him that his services were no longer required after such and such date.

When they do this, about the only thing they have to do is follow the necessary provisions related to when and how they they notify the actor/agent. (And ever since the Nia Peeples case in 2009, no one better screw up on that front. Sony probably triple checks dates now ..lol!)

by Anonymousreply 276July 2, 2018 6:19 AM

What happened with Nia Peeples r276?

by Anonymousreply 277July 2, 2018 6:43 AM

R277 TPTB were going to write her "Karen Taylor" character out in 2009 - letting her go at the 26-week cycle date in her contract - but they screwed up on the date they needed to notify her by, so they then had to suddenly write her back in and come up with storyline to fill another 26 weeks, after which she was let go (again).

by Anonymousreply 278July 2, 2018 9:31 AM

Muhney was overrated as hell. People were acting like he was on a Terry Lester level of talent. No.

by Anonymousreply 279July 2, 2018 2:44 PM

Touchy, touchy, r279.

by Anonymousreply 280July 2, 2018 3:46 PM

r280, hi Michael! Enjoying unemployment?

by Anonymousreply 281July 2, 2018 4:05 PM

Some of Brenda's last scenes as Ashley here (December 1995), a heart to heart with Olivia and then breaking down with Jill.

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by Anonymousreply 282July 2, 2018 8:28 PM

Bill Bell was a very nice person actually - Lee....Lee is/was the Diva of the family. While Bill considered his production staff like family, Lee considered them the help.

by Anonymousreply 283July 2, 2018 9:51 PM

Heather Tom left Y&R due to them not being able to pay her. B&B offered her her old money and more of a center role. Katie Logan on a half hour soap for more money?? Yes Please.

by Anonymousreply 284July 2, 2018 9:54 PM

Heather Tom will always be Victoria to me.

I find it hard to watch her on B&B.

by Anonymousreply 285July 2, 2018 9:59 PM

Does Katie still stress over her acne? .. When Heather took over the role, did they feature her Katie in a dermabrasion PSA?

by Anonymousreply 286July 2, 2018 10:07 PM

R283, I have never heard a bad word about her.

She gave up her broadcasting career in Chicago to come to LA with her family in the mid 80s.

by Anonymousreply 287July 2, 2018 10:41 PM

Lee's GBF was Van Cliburn. .. That's why he appeared with her in a cameo when Y&R had the grand opening of the NVP Retreat at the GCAC back in 2006.

I wonder if Van and his longtime fuck buddy, Tommy Zaremba (who ended up suing Van in a much-publicized palimony case) ever double-dated with Lee & Bill?

And did Wilma Jeanne grab Van's ballsack?

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by Anonymousreply 288July 2, 2018 10:57 PM

I highly doubt B&B is paying Tom what Y&R paid her back in the early '00s.

by Anonymousreply 289July 3, 2018 2:12 AM

BB offers something that Y&R doesn't, foreign residuals. Please BB actors get multiple trip per year to Europe for free, staying at amazing hotels and being treated like royalty.

by Anonymousreply 290July 3, 2018 2:16 AM

I agree with r285 can't watch Tom as Katie. So boring. She was far better suited as Victoria. But even back then, it seems they were too cheap to pay their actors and, at that time, Victoria was one of their most popular characters.

by Anonymousreply 291July 3, 2018 2:17 AM

Re: HT's exit in late 2003 .... From what I remember, David Shaughnessy was EP at the time, with Jack Smith having recently been promoted to co-EP (besides being co-HW). Nice guys, presumably, but neither strong EP material. Shaugnessy was more the director type; Smith, the writer. .. Anyway, Sony had ordered them to slash the budget, and HT was the first actor whose contract came due during this new round of belt-tightening. .. It sounded like she was okay with some reduction in her dollars/episode, but was NOT okay with a reduction in her episodes. She knew that episodes equaled front burner story, and she wanted to work. That was the supposed sticking point and what she referred to as "creative differences" in her announcement as to why she was exiting. .. And even though OLTL probably couldn't pay her as much as Y&R, what they did promise is that they'd work her as well as allow her to explore doing stage work in NY and coordinate around that, if need be.

After HT exited, Smith did without the Victoria character on the canvas for well over a year. So apparently he didn't have a great need for the character. He didn't write Victoria (Heinle) back in until his "Cassie Dies" story was on the drawing board in the Spring of 2005, so he probably thought she'd have to return for niece's death.

by Anonymousreply 292July 3, 2018 3:07 AM

[quote][R151], Victoria Rowell is a Democrat.

No difference nowadays.

by Anonymousreply 293July 3, 2018 4:11 AM

R292, just when Tom quit the writers were doing Michael Baldwin (Victor's attorney/lackey) romanced/charmed Vicki so she wouldn't pursue her dad's illegal schemes, bringing him to justice etc.

Tom and LeBlanc had great chemistry. She played it as 'oh, I so know what you're doing here' but she couldn't help herself.

by Anonymousreply 294July 3, 2018 4:58 AM

R294 Yeah, the Victoria-Michael romance was definitely in the works, so I guess one could say that the actress who lucked out when Tom decided to quit was Tracy Begrman (Lauren Fenmore).

Because once Tom bolted, they quick had to change gears and opted to put Lauren Fenmore (then recurring) into the Kevin Fisher storyline. Kevin soon developed a crush on her, and Lauren found herself trying to help LaBaldwin manage his psychologically-damaged brother. And as time went on, Lauren and Michael would end up falling in love eventually marrying (still together today).

But viewers were really looking forward to Tom and LeBlanc sharing more screen time. They really clicked, and it would have served to move Michael into the Newman family, more than just being the attorney Victor was blackmailing.

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by Anonymousreply 295July 3, 2018 5:46 AM

Similarly, I think the actor who got screwed, because of Heather Tom's exit was David Lago (Raul).

The original story was that, since Brittany Hodges went in Bobby Marsino's direction, lonely boy Raul would become involved with "Cougar Lauren." .. But since Lauren was tapped to replace Victoria in the romance department with Michael, this left no story for Raul. .. Lago got the chop something like six months after Tom's exit.

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by Anonymousreply 296July 3, 2018 5:51 AM

[quote]BB offers something that Y&R doesn't, foreign residuals. Please BB actors get multiple trip per year to Europe for free, staying at amazing hotels and being treated like royalty.

But how much longer is that likely to last?

by Anonymousreply 297July 3, 2018 8:18 AM

Who do we think we awful to Brenda on the set, per Jeanne’s interview?

by Anonymousreply 298July 3, 2018 4:05 PM

Julianna McCarthy?

by Anonymousreply 299July 3, 2018 4:08 PM

r298, probably Ed Scott, who wanted his wife Melody to be the Queen Bee of the show. Whilst Brenda Dickson was there, that was not going to happen and Melody was further down in the pecking order. Jeanne also said that Melody ignored her for a period for no reason whatsoever and when Jeanne asked her about it years later Mel said nonchalantly "Oh Mother, who knows what was going on with me back then?" Brenda Dickson was put out of a job because of a power play between Bill Bell and Sony, meanwhile Melody was allowed to run roughshod over the cast and she got away with it because why? Her husband happened to be the producer. Fucking bitch.

by Anonymousreply 300July 3, 2018 5:02 PM

R299 After Brenda returned to Y&R in 1983, Julianna McCarthy gave one interview about how great it was that she was back on the show, gushing about how wonderful it was to have "her daughter" home again.

by Anonymousreply 301July 3, 2018 7:25 PM

Two things:

They couldn't have been too unhappy with what Brenda had been doing, otherwise why did they tell replacement Jess to go sit in a room, study Brenda's tapes, and try to ACT LIKE HER. .. The story goes, Jess tried and tried and eventually sought advice from Lester. .. Terry told her to give up and try to make the character her own.

And can you imagine if there was social media in 1987? .. NO WAY would the men in charge at Y&R have been able to fire an actress with a bladder infection. .. All she or her agent would have needed to do is leak that medical bit, and once that got out, female viewers all over the net would have skewered the suits.

by Anonymousreply 302July 3, 2018 7:45 PM

Brenda Dickson was the original Me Too. The problem is, she has become so eccentric as the years have gone by that nobody takes her seriously. Ed Scott and Bill Bell have a lot to answer for: misogynist bully boys.

by Anonymousreply 303July 3, 2018 9:17 PM

One of the funniest stories that Brenda told was how Eileen Davidson held up production one day because she had very bad diarrhea. Eileen couldn’t leave the bathroom because she had the trotts so bad. Leave it to koo koo Brenda to tell that story.

by Anonymousreply 304July 3, 2018 9:39 PM

That stupid psycho Serisl Nutjob thinks that Y&R will ask Brenda Epperson back? WTF. It will never ever ever ever ever happen. They’d ask Muhney back before Epperson. Setial nutjob needs hospitalization, again. Psycho.

by Anonymousreply 305July 3, 2018 10:20 PM

R305, I think you are mixing up Epperson with Dickson.

by Anonymousreply 306July 3, 2018 10:33 PM

What's wrong with Epperson? Many have been calling for her return, even if it's more of a scaled down portrayal of Ashley or a recurring gig. I've never heard that she had any kind of problem with the show. (And she looks great to boot.)

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by Anonymousreply 307July 3, 2018 10:41 PM

Epperson was an awful recast. They are not going to ask her back. They’ll wait for Eileen to return, which she always does. She’ll be back.

by Anonymousreply 308July 3, 2018 10:57 PM

When did Brenda Dickson last work? What does she live on? Jeanne Cooper wrote favorably of her in her book, though they did have a rocky start due to Brenda arriving late to the Y&R set.

by Anonymousreply 309July 3, 2018 11:04 PM

Epperson was on Y&R for 8 years. That's a successful recast.

by Anonymousreply 310July 3, 2018 11:21 PM

Yeah, if Bell had thought Epperson was awful, there's no way he would have kept her around 8 years.

by Anonymousreply 311July 3, 2018 11:32 PM

Epperson is fine, I think you guys are mixing her up with the other Brenda, Brenda Dickson (ex jill)

by Anonymousreply 312July 3, 2018 11:38 PM

Yes, R312. That's what I said.

by Anonymousreply 313July 3, 2018 11:46 PM

"guy"

(singular, not plural)

by Anonymousreply 314July 3, 2018 11:48 PM

Always nice to hear from 1995.

by Anonymousreply 315July 3, 2018 11:51 PM

Well, I think it says a lot about Epperson that people fondly remember her and wouldn't mind her return. It's not only on DL I've read this but on Y&R boards. Some people actually prefer her to ED because, as others have said, she brought warmth to the role. BTW, why did Epperson leave? Shari Shattuck - now that was a horrible replacement, especially after ED and BE.

by Anonymousreply 316July 4, 2018 12:01 AM

The only one who wants Epperson back is that psycho Serial Scholar. It will never happen. She is long forgotten. Get mental help Serial Nutjob.

by Anonymousreply 317July 4, 2018 12:05 AM

[quote]BTW, why did Epperson leave?

Yeah, I've wondered that myself.

Didn't she leave right at a key point in the resolution of the Rick & Blade twins storyline?

by Anonymousreply 318July 4, 2018 12:10 AM

I think Epperson just wanted to move on after 8 years. I seem to recall that she wanted to incorporate her singing into the show and the producers wouldn’t let her. (Totally understandable. Ashley never dabbled in singing or music. ) With Dina and her Alzheimer’s I can’t see Ashley leaving the show and leaving her mother. Epperson or Shattuck will probably be approached to return.

by Anonymousreply 319July 4, 2018 12:21 AM

[quote] BTW, why did Epperson leave?

As I recall, her contract was up, and she simply wanted to concentrate on her recent marriage to Mr. Doumani. Plus, the plan was that they'd be able to collaborate. He was some kind of producer-director-writer and went on to feature Brenda in several of his projects. As I recall, these were either TV movies or packaged for theater release in foreign markets?

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by Anonymousreply 320July 4, 2018 12:30 AM

Epperson is not going to be asked back. She hasn't played the role in more than 20 years. Eileen is too identified with the role, and it's not like they're going to give Ashley a storyline. I doubt she'd come back solely to be Jack's sounding board, which is essentially what Ashley is. It would be the equivalent of OLTL asking Elaine Princi back after Strasser left again. That would never have happened. They'll probably just send Ashley packing, and position Traci to be Jack's talk-to person.

by Anonymousreply 321July 4, 2018 1:01 AM

I'm dieting as I eat!

by Anonymousreply 322July 4, 2018 1:13 AM

[quote] and it's not like they're going to give Ashley a storyline

All the more reason to invite Epperson back for the occasional, recurring appearance for when it simply makes sense for Ashley to be there.

And I don't think Epperson's that kind of diva. She might actually enjoy a return to Y&R, here and there. Heck, she was willing to do a minor turn on 'Passions' and is now doing a web soap. Work is work.

by Anonymousreply 323July 4, 2018 1:14 AM

They are not replacing Eileen Davidson. The show is so strapped for cash, they are probably thrilled to have her big salary freed up.

by Anonymousreply 324July 4, 2018 2:07 AM

Erika Slezak IS nuAshley.

by Anonymousreply 325July 4, 2018 2:14 AM

Erika Slezak IN as Dina's mother, Marion, who knows who Jack's father is.

by Anonymousreply 326July 4, 2018 2:48 AM

[quote] The show is so strapped for cash, they are probably thrilled to have her big salary freed up.

Well, there goes Traci, I guess. .. With no more budget for craft services, she's bound to say, "No" to this ongoing, recurring gig they throw at her.

by Anonymousreply 327July 4, 2018 2:54 AM

[quote]With Dina and her Alzheimer’s I can’t see Ashley leaving the show and leaving her mother.

I haven't watched the show for several years, so I didn't realize that Marla Adams had returned as Dina Mergeron.

I guess she recently got an Emmy nomination for Supporting Actress, too.

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by Anonymousreply 328July 4, 2018 8:20 AM

Such lame writing these days by Mal. The Vic/Nikki scenes with the social worker were cringe worthy. We’re both SO busy and I have MS flareups but we can take care of the kid even though Vic is pushing 80. And no mention of Vic’s crimes and jailtime. Not to mention Nikki’s past issues. Dumb dumb dumb.

by Anonymousreply 329July 4, 2018 9:00 AM

Christine Jones IN as NuAshley? She has a history of taking over for established actors, making the roles her own, and endearing herself to fans.

by Anonymousreply 330July 4, 2018 12:03 PM

Brenda Epperson should be asked back, it would be a delightful nostalgia trip for audience. She had much better chemistry with the actors than Eileen, although Eileen is obviously a more formidable actress, Brenda has incredible charm. I never thought Eileen's talents were utilised by Y&R because Ashley is not that type of showy role. Ash and Brenda go perfectly together, in other words.

by Anonymousreply 331July 4, 2018 1:07 PM

For the last time: Y&R has money issues. We are not replacing Eileen. We are thrilled to have the money freed up to buy more statues and plaques for Chancellor Park!

by Anonymousreply 332July 4, 2018 1:11 PM

Brenda Epperson was beloved by the cast and crew. She was never demanding as Eileen has been. Eileen would keep people waiting for hours while she was in the loo.

by Anonymousreply 333July 4, 2018 1:11 PM

There is something to be said for understated actors and Brenda Epperson was an example. We never realise how much they contribute to a show until we look back in hindsight. My point is, whilst Y&R has benefited incredibly for the emotional dramatic talents of Melody Thomas Scott, Heather Tom, Michelle Stafford and the like, we also need another side that provides a stabilising counter to that... and although that 'stable' performer will never get the Emmy nominations or acclaim, they are just as essential to a canvas as the drama queens. Brenda did terrific work and would be a welcome return to a show that lost its identity long ago and desperately needs to recapture it.

by Anonymousreply 334July 4, 2018 1:14 PM

Brenda Epperson brought sweetness to Ashley that Eileen Davidson could never convey. Ashley became a 'to root for' character for the 1st time. Eileen had a hard edge to her and Brenda's acting abilities were more versatile.

by Anonymousreply 335July 4, 2018 2:33 PM

Let's be honest, no matter who played Ashley, was the character really all that important other than as a foil for Nikki? Y&R wanted Eileen back because she was available and they thought she would bring over some of her Days fans. Ashley really is non essential.

by Anonymousreply 336July 4, 2018 2:41 PM

R336 I disagree. She’s an essential part of the Abbott family. Eileen Davidson is probably the best actor on the show. What do you want the show to turn into? Summer and her crowd gets boring easily. Have Epperson come back recurring or contract if they give Ashley a decent storyline of her own. I’m sure Eileen will return one day but it’s hard to tell when.

by Anonymousreply 337July 4, 2018 5:10 PM

"Brenda Epperson brought sweetness to Ashley that Eileen Davidson could never convey. Ashley became a 'to root for' character for the 1st time. Eileen had a hard edge to her and Brenda's acting abilities were more versatile."

I really liked Epperson in the role-- she was a great recast-- but I have to disagree. Early on, when Ashley became pregnant by Victor and felt she had to abort, Davidson really conveyed a lot of vulnerability, almost helplessness. Now, I agree that she is not as "soft" as Epperson, but... Lambchop isn't as soft as Epperson. That's pretty damn soft.

by Anonymousreply 338July 4, 2018 5:18 PM

Oh, and I have to add that Davidson conveyed that same vulnerability much later when Ashley was being gaslighted by Adam. I mean, Billy had to literally pick Ashley up out of her bed and carry her away from the scene. It was quite believable, IMO.

by Anonymousreply 339July 4, 2018 5:21 PM

I'm a gay man and I preferred Brenda Epperson's traditionally feminine, softer Ashley too. Even though us gays usually prefer aggressive women, I just thought Epperson's portrayal was right for that particular character and I couldn't explain why. I don't know what you guys think.

by Anonymousreply 340July 4, 2018 5:22 PM

Eileen, Brenda and Shari Shatuck all participated in the same podcast a few years back and were singing the praises of each other. I don't think Eileen would be offended if Brenda came back to the role but I think we can all agree Shari would have been better served as a Mari Jo recast because Ashley she was NOT.

by Anonymousreply 341July 4, 2018 5:25 PM

Here's the podcast with the three Ashleys for anybody interested

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by Anonymousreply 342July 4, 2018 5:28 PM

Bring back Michelle, Billy, Victoria, Tonya, Brenda and Brenda!

by Anonymousreply 343July 4, 2018 5:51 PM

I will be devastated when this show is cancelled. I have watched it since i was a kid. It's dumb and pointless but it has been in the background of my life for over 30 years.

The other day on CBS streaming I saw episode 1 season 1 of BB and it was shocking. The money spent on the sets and the background players. Poor Genoa City barely has anyone in it. It's always empty and when was the last time you heard and under five utter a single word. They are so cheap!

by Anonymousreply 344July 4, 2018 6:30 PM

"It's dumb and pointless but it has been in the background of my life for over 30 years."

That's exactly how I feel about, too. It's like the golf of soap operas: It doesn't really engage me, but I just like knowing it's THERE and hearing it in the background. It makes me think of lazy, teenage summer days, not a care in the world...

by Anonymousreply 345July 4, 2018 6:55 PM

It used to be an excellent show. Yes, storylines went on for forever, but it was well written during the Bill Bell years & well acted (for the most part), now it’s boring AF.

by Anonymousreply 346July 4, 2018 7:28 PM

One of the big differences between Eileen and Brenda's "Ashley" is that Bell never wrote Brenda having a nervous breakdown.

When Brenda took over the role, we'd already seen Eileen play nuts twice. The first time was when her Ashley learned Brent Davis was her father, and the second time was after Victor laid into her about the abortion. .. But Brenda never played coo-coo for cocoa puffs. .. And really, by that point, I think the audience was ready to turn the corner on that, owing to why they welcomed this saner, warmer incarnation.

And the funny thing is that, once Eileen returned to the role, Jack Smith had Ashley go nuts again (after her baby with Brad died). Then, a few years later, Maria Arena Bell had Eileen play crazy when Adam was gas lighting her.

Brenda is sweet, sane Ashley. Meanwhile, Eileen's Ashley might take a trip to Crazyville at any time.

by Anonymousreply 347July 4, 2018 9:17 PM

r347, did you miss this scene? Brenda played Ashley slipping back into mental instability when the whole Blade/Rick thing went down. But she does it in a subtle way, and during the conversation with Jill, she is physically shaking... it's very realistic. Then she explores and starts stabbing her marital bed with a knife:

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by Anonymousreply 348July 4, 2018 9:55 PM

Bring back Mammy--er, Mamie!

by Anonymousreply 349July 4, 2018 9:57 PM

Bill Bell was never subtle.

by Anonymousreply 350July 4, 2018 10:50 PM

[quote]I think we can all agree Shari would have been better served as a Mari Jo recast because Ashley she was NOT.

I loved Diana Barton as Mari Jo.

She was great in the 'Who Shot Victor?' storyline.

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by Anonymousreply 351July 5, 2018 12:10 AM

R348 Yes, I saw that, but that's not really the type of full-blown long-term nervous breakdown and/or catatonic break from reality that I'm talking about. .. Given that Brenda's Ashley had just figured out that Rick had taken Blade's place in the bedroom and been raping her for months, I think Ashley's immediate reaction was appropriate and on target. I don't remember it going any further, though, and this is what prompted Ashley to get away from it all by going to Paris (Epperson's exit).

by Anonymousreply 352July 5, 2018 12:36 AM

You queens need a reality check. Epperson is not going to be asked back. She hasn't appeared on the show in nearly 20 years, and Ashley is no longer a relevant character. They kept her around hoping to lure younger viewers from Days. That's the long and short of it. So stop dreaming. Ashley is done.

by Anonymousreply 353July 5, 2018 12:41 AM

[quote] I think we can all agree Shari would have been better served as an underfive over on B&B from whence Mrs. Ronn Moss came.

Fixed.

by Anonymousreply 354July 5, 2018 12:43 AM

Mari Jo Mason and Cassandra Rawlins were Bell's attempts at Film Noir Femme Fatales and I loved them both. Mari Jo had the best voice.

by Anonymousreply 355July 5, 2018 12:45 AM

[quote]Mari Jo had the best voice.

Yes, as I said above, I loved Diana Barton as Mari Jo.

And she always looked so stylish.

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by Anonymousreply 356July 5, 2018 1:19 AM

There were rumors about how DB got the job.

Actually, I heard it directly from one of the writers' assistants.

In any event, I thought she was great in the role.

But things began to go haywire during the interlude with The Virgin Keemo Abbott.

And of course, once MariJo shot Victor and kidnapped Cricket Blair, it was curtains.

Nobody gets away with that.

by Anonymousreply 357July 5, 2018 2:54 AM

I read an interview with Barton a few years ago where she said she ran into Bill Bill a few years after her departure from Y&R and he said he was trying to find a way to bring her back but that it would probably be too difficult after what she did to Victor & Christine.

by Anonymousreply 358July 5, 2018 2:56 AM

Susan Haskell IN as new Ashley

by Anonymousreply 359July 5, 2018 3:00 AM

Ellen Parker IN as nuAshley. Just kidding! This show is dull enough! LOL

by Anonymousreply 360July 5, 2018 3:05 AM

Kim Zimmer IN as NuAshley.

We'll finally look like sisters !!

by Anonymousreply 361July 5, 2018 3:13 AM

Mari Jo needs to come back and finish what she started.

by Anonymousreply 362July 5, 2018 3:18 AM

I always thought Barton would make a good Jill Foster Abbott.

by Anonymousreply 363July 5, 2018 3:22 AM

R353 Exactly. They are not recasting Ashley. End of story. Even Epperson knows it and is not engaging with the delusional fraus on twitter.

by Anonymousreply 364July 5, 2018 3:23 AM

I hear they;re casting an unknown actress named Michelle Mooney.

by Anonymousreply 365July 5, 2018 3:25 AM

Insiders report that, in order to increase his dwindling episode count, Doug Davidson has approached Mal and told him that he's more than willing to dress in drag again and pull double-duty as Ashley Abbott, adding, "Eileen Davidson, Doug Davidson ... most of our elderly viewers won't notice the difference."

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by Anonymousreply 366July 5, 2018 6:37 AM

R363 I totally agree. She would have been a much better replacement for Jill when La Ickson got canned. She’s much sexier than that hag, Jess Walton.

by Anonymousreply 367July 5, 2018 6:46 AM

R363 Jess Walton is NOT A HAG. And I'm the dame who can prove it.

by Anonymousreply 368July 5, 2018 7:01 AM

R363=Jess Walton

by Anonymousreply 369July 5, 2018 7:05 AM

^oops. R368=Jess Hag Walton

by Anonymousreply 370July 5, 2018 7:06 AM

R368 and R369 Why are you involving me in this? I didn't say anything about Jess Walton in my post at R363.

by Anonymousreply 371July 5, 2018 7:10 AM

I meant R367. Oops.

by Anonymousreply 372July 5, 2018 7:16 AM

[quote]She’s much sexier than that hag, Jess Walton.

Diana Barton is gorgeous, but it's hard to fault Jess Walton as Jill.

Walton has brought enormous intensity to Jill over the years and won 2 Emmys.

Her best days are behind her now, but she was solid in the role of Jill.

by Anonymousreply 373July 5, 2018 7:23 AM

They should have made Keemo the Victor shooter instead of Mari Jo. What a waste of a good vixen and she was way classier than that sleazy Phyllis.

by Anonymousreply 374July 5, 2018 9:59 AM

Before her time on Y&R, Diana Barton was a model and also had a hit single in Europe in the 80s called Tango. Here's her fabulously campy performance of it.... loving those huge shoulder pads and enormous red lips.

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by Anonymousreply 375July 5, 2018 10:32 AM

Embarassing July 4th episode. Tessa singing and everyone joining in? Oh Mal, what have you done to out Y&R.

by Anonymousreply 376July 5, 2018 1:04 PM

Why does Mal ignore gay fans on twitter?

by Anonymousreply 377July 5, 2018 1:12 PM

Why does Mal ignore the lezzys?

by Anonymousreply 378July 5, 2018 1:40 PM

Sue Lucci IN as NuAshley.

You heard it here first.

by Anonymousreply 379July 5, 2018 1:47 PM

Susan Batten IN as NuAshley!

by Anonymousreply 380July 5, 2018 1:49 PM

Elaine Princi is NuAshley.

by Anonymousreply 381July 5, 2018 1:54 PM

Pam Long IN is NuAshley!

by Anonymousreply 382July 5, 2018 1:58 PM

Brenda Epperson would have bettered me in all my roles.

by Anonymousreply 383July 5, 2018 2:17 PM

[quote]They should have made Keemo the Victor shooter instead of Mari Jo. What a waste of a good vixen and she was way classier than that sleazy Phyllis.

The production team said at the time that they wanted the shooter to be a regular contract player so that it would have a bigger impact than if it was just a minor recurring character.

But I like your suggestion.

by Anonymousreply 384July 5, 2018 7:09 PM

If Mari Jo had stayed, they would have given her the stories they gave to Diane Jenkins.

by Anonymousreply 385July 5, 2018 9:19 PM

Rumor has it that Muhney also tried to grab Hans' pendulous uncut dong. That was the last straw.

by Anonymousreply 386July 5, 2018 9:21 PM

I don't understand the Hilary lusting after Nate premise, since she's back with Devon and pregnant by him.

by Anonymousreply 387July 5, 2018 11:14 PM

An epic tribute to Brenda Epperson's Ashley here, as part of the campaign to get her back on Y&R... please share this!!!

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by Anonymousreply 388July 5, 2018 11:28 PM

Y&R is not recasting Ashley. End of story.

by Anonymousreply 389July 5, 2018 11:54 PM

r388, the casting of Epperson was so brilliant. She looked like Terry Lester's twin. The way those Abbotts looked like real siblings was part of the show's quality in casting back then.

by Anonymousreply 390July 5, 2018 11:54 PM

Serial Nutcase is like the kiss of death. Daytime folks always always always do the exact opposite of what he wants. He wants Brenda Epperson back on Y&R. It’s the kiss of death for her. It will never happen. He screws everything up. Asshole serial psycho.

by Anonymousreply 391July 6, 2018 2:03 AM

[quote] I don't understand the Hilary lusting after Nate premise, since she's back with Devon and pregnant by him.

Not much to understand. .. Nate looks to be 7" bigger than dull, little Cueball, both ways.

by Anonymousreply 392July 6, 2018 2:29 AM

Shut your damn mouth, r392. Hevon are perfection together. No one will come between them. No one! I'm also a major Lane fan, so y'all need to stop hating on them too.

by Anonymousreply 393July 6, 2018 2:32 AM

Devon has about a billion things that Nate doesn't. Hillary would be a fool to go after Nate.

by Anonymousreply 394July 6, 2018 5:35 AM

Do we have a picture of R393? Why, yes. Here it is:

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by Anonymousreply 395July 6, 2018 5:41 AM

The actor playing Nate has mush mouth. Not a good actor but I'll give him time; either he'll figure it out or he won't. Nice to look at though.

Devon is gross. Short, bald, zero charisma and covered and a disgusting mole on his face. Can't act to save his life, and there's no excuse, as he's been acting since he was in diapers.

by Anonymousreply 396July 6, 2018 3:37 PM

Everyone should watch the tribute at r388... THAT is how you do a montage. If only they had done something that good for the 40th anniversary.

by Anonymousreply 397July 6, 2018 5:12 PM

And this is what every soap thread devolves into: moronic, basement-dwelling, socially retarded soap lunatics carrying ob fanbase wars that have no interest to anyone who's been laid in the last decade.

by Anonymousreply 398July 6, 2018 5:16 PM

Kyle is adorable

by Anonymousreply 399July 6, 2018 5:25 PM

Kyle looks like power bottom Brysen at Sean Cody (minus the tattoos).

by Anonymousreply 400July 6, 2018 5:51 PM

They are casting a barely legal 16 year old as NUAshely - look for Eric Braeden to campaign to be re-united with Ashley...for the sake of the show of course.

Acutally the best thing they could do is kill her off. Have her murdered. Bring back Barbara Crampton as Leanna Love and make her the murderer. That poison Lei finally did the trick!

by Anonymousreply 401July 6, 2018 9:59 PM

Remember when Barbara Crampton played a character on 'The Bold & the Beautiful' who kidnapped Sheila and kept her prisoner in the 'Psycho' house?

by Anonymousreply 402July 6, 2018 10:06 PM

Ahhhhhh I loved Leanna Love! Bring her back!

by Anonymousreply 403July 6, 2018 10:09 PM

They are not bringing back Leanna Love. They are not bringing back Brenda Epperson. They are not bringing back Diana Barton. They are not bringing back Michael Muhney. They are not hringing back Victoria Rowell. They are not making every male character gay. Geesh. You fraus are clueless.

by Anonymousreply 404July 6, 2018 10:49 PM

There was an interlude when Bradley was producing the Leanna Love show because it was being sponsored by Jabot and Epperson's Ashley didn't like it. This was during Leanna's "I hate men" campaign.

Now, all we have to do is raise Leanna's buddy, Colonel Austin, and Brad from the dead.

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by Anonymousreply 405July 6, 2018 10:53 PM

r404 well I was fucking kidding but yeah take it more seriously - who the fuck is the frau here? Maybe they will bring back Lisa, Brad's crazy ex-fiance who kept him in a bird cage...

by Anonymousreply 406July 7, 2018 1:19 AM

The actress who played Brad's stalker Lisa Mansfield seems to be nutty in real life too!!! Her youtube channel is a trip!

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by Anonymousreply 407July 7, 2018 3:44 PM

When it comes to the loony tune hairball at R407, Diamont didn't hold back. He's since said that working with her was a TOTAL nightmare, and every scene was an ordeal.

by Anonymousreply 408July 7, 2018 8:01 PM

Bring back Cassandra!

by Anonymousreply 409July 7, 2018 9:47 PM

Nina Arvesen is the Garbo of daytime.... wonder what she looks like now!

by Anonymousreply 410July 7, 2018 10:25 PM

R410 she has a Facebook page but from what I can see on it, there’s only old photos of her up. She has a picture of her with Laura Bryan Birn (who played Paul’s secretary ) on it in 1990! She was such a gorgeous woman & I have a feeling she aged well hopefully even though I can’t find any recent photos of her.

by Anonymousreply 411July 7, 2018 10:36 PM

Robin Mattson IN as New Ashley!

by Anonymousreply 412July 7, 2018 10:39 PM

r411, that's a fake page.

by Anonymousreply 413July 7, 2018 10:46 PM

Cassandra's dead, and Arvesen just retired from acting.

And she wasn't some kind of hermit. She was running a dance studio on the Third Street Promenade in Santa Monica. There was a gym in the lower part of the building and her dance studio was upstairs. Rents went way up and I heard it eventually moved to another location.

I saw her out on the mall about 15 years ago. It was around the same time that elderly driver plowed through the Farmers Market on one of the adjoining streets. When that happened, the local television media even interviewed her.

by Anonymousreply 414July 7, 2018 10:51 PM

Where is she now? Where can we see a picture? Somebody get a snap of her on the street? She is to Hollywood what Garbo was to New York!

by Anonymousreply 415July 7, 2018 10:54 PM

R413 are you sure? She has several real Y&R stars commenting on her page like Jess Walton & Tracey Bergman. I think that’s her real page. How do you know for sure it’s not?

by Anonymousreply 416July 7, 2018 11:21 PM

It's BREGMAN, R416.

by Anonymousreply 417July 7, 2018 11:25 PM

About five years ago, she bought a house in The Valley Where That Slut Brooke Logan is from. Good luck finding her there.

by Anonymousreply 418July 7, 2018 11:30 PM

R417 my phone spell corrected it, my bad. Also she has Peter BERGMAN on her page as well, so there’s that.

But really though, it’s it a fake page?

by Anonymousreply 419July 7, 2018 11:33 PM

I don't think Peter Bergman participates in ANY social media. Probably fake too.

by Anonymousreply 420July 7, 2018 11:54 PM

R387 it makes no sense, but what on the show does.

I don't know where to start: you can't go to Emma Snyder for a home cooked meal.

Let's not forget Chelsea who revealed her true con artist colors and left town ONLY WE HAVE NO IDEA WHY.

And why is Jill the one who can decide whether Phillip gets exhumed or not? Didn't Kay block their marriage and win?

by Anonymousreply 421July 7, 2018 11:59 PM

Arvesen left acting and initially opened an exercise studio. She branched out & now owns a handful of spa like facilities that offer yoga, exercise, massages,Botox,etc...

I saw a photo of her within the last couple of years & she's still very beautiful.

For my money she's the most beautiful blonde to ever appear on soap. Just breathtaking.

by Anonymousreply 422July 8, 2018 12:14 AM

Bring back homely Lynn!

by Anonymousreply 423July 8, 2018 12:46 AM

They used to call her "Lynne Bassett-Hound" on the message boards.

Does the "Soap Opera Star" still run her "Psychic Hotline?"

Dougie should call her up and ask if he's ever going to get a story?

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by Anonymousreply 424July 8, 2018 2:41 AM

Lynne wasn't as beautiful as your typical Daytime actress, but she was on Y&R for a long time and had a sweet relationship with Doug Davidson/Paul.

by Anonymousreply 425July 8, 2018 2:43 AM

R410 Always thought Robin Christopher [Skye, AMC/OLTL/GH] was considered the Garbo of daytime!

by Anonymousreply 426July 8, 2018 2:45 AM

Laura Bryan Birn (Lynn) is the daughter of former Y&R writer Jerry Birn, who retired from the show in 2004 and died in 2009

Jerry Birn was also married to Patty Weaver, who played Gina.

Lynn has not been seen on the show since her father's retirement. Gina has not been since regularly in Genoa City since about 2004, although she has made a handful of appearances since then.

by Anonymousreply 427July 8, 2018 3:07 AM

The actress who played Lynn was a horrible actress. Stilted and awkward line readings.

by Anonymousreply 428July 8, 2018 4:01 AM

Lynn was a closeted lez who was muff diving with Carol Robbins.

by Anonymousreply 429July 8, 2018 6:56 AM

r422, can you post the pic of Arvesen? I always thought Paul should have married Lynne instead of Cricket in the mid 90s.

by Anonymousreply 430July 8, 2018 10:59 AM

Kristen Alderson IN as NuAshley

by Anonymousreply 431July 8, 2018 12:06 PM

You would never recognize Nina out of makeup. She looked like a burn out chick. She smoked like a chimney. She was the head of a big record company in Sweden or somewhere like that before she became an actress.

by Anonymousreply 432July 8, 2018 12:39 PM

Come and get this cock!

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by Anonymousreply 433July 8, 2018 12:45 PM

[quote] Lynn was a closeted lez who was muff diving with Carol Robbins.

Viewers actually thought they were going to go there with Lynne and her galpal, Marissa (1998-2001).

Marissa first worked as another assistant at Williams Investigations with Paul and Lynne, but later she became Diane Jenkins' personal assistant.

With no men in their lives, Lynne & Marissa would go out "clubbing," then return home to their cats.

And like Lynne, the "actress" who played Marissa was another beneficiary of nepotism - being Bill Bell JUNIOR'S sister-in-law via wife, Maria Arena Bell. .. Because of this people used to call her character "Marissa Bell-Barton."

by Anonymousreply 434July 8, 2018 9:19 PM

Can anyone provide a picture of what Nina Arvesen looks like today?

by Anonymousreply 435July 8, 2018 9:35 PM

I'm drawing a blank of this Marissa character. Can you post a photo of her?

by Anonymousreply 436July 8, 2018 10:22 PM

R436 As a wannabe actress, she sometimes went with the spelling, "Marisa" or "Marissa" Arena.

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by Anonymousreply 437July 8, 2018 10:52 PM

Did Aversen & Derwin has a thing off camera.

by Anonymousreply 438July 8, 2018 11:35 PM

R435 It’s not difficult to use these interwebs to not only find a current picture of Arveson but to also find her social media accounts. Don’t be so lazy!

by Anonymousreply 439July 9, 2018 12:08 AM

R439 but supposedly her FB is fake so....

by Anonymousreply 440July 9, 2018 1:04 AM

Arvesen's Facebook is a phony one set up by a fan masquerading as her... there are no pics of her, they are all from her soap days 25-30 years ago.

by Anonymousreply 441July 9, 2018 1:05 AM

[quote] Did Arvesen & Derwin have a thing off-camera.

Doubtful. During the very brief time Derwin was on Y&R, I think she was already heavily involved with actor, Todd Curtis, who was then playing Jabot photographer, Skip Evans. The pair were reportedly inseparable. As I recall, they were still together during the time she was on Santa Barbara; some said they were engaged.

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by Anonymousreply 442July 9, 2018 1:40 AM

Mark Derwin DID go on to have a thing with Beth Ehlers on GL.

He could barely resist Viki Sleestak, of course, but they both refrained from launching a torrid affair.

by Anonymousreply 443July 9, 2018 1:49 AM

Kathy Glass in as NuSister Ashley

by Anonymousreply 444July 9, 2018 2:10 AM

Kathy Glass's bangs will challenge Dina's for supremacy of Genoa City.

by Anonymousreply 445July 9, 2018 2:36 AM

The Daytime Emmys mean shit now. There's four fucking shows. It's not some great achievement now. It's basically a participation trophy. Actually even makes the Prime Time versions look worse despite there being more shows than ever. They should make the statue smaller to keep it from making the other look like shit.

by Anonymousreply 446July 9, 2018 2:59 AM

Speaking of 'Santa Barbara', how come it had such a quick rise & fall?

by Anonymousreply 447July 9, 2018 4:43 AM

[quote]She'll be back on RHOB. She was a DL fave on that show...and deservedly so.

Far from it. The general consensus was that she was boring and repetitive, with no real storyline. Her only stans on DL were the two or three insane Lisa Vanderpump haters who thought ED and Rinna would "bring LVP down."

Well, instead she left the show after a drastic pay cut and Rinna's being nice. They'd probably bring ED back as "a friend of the housewives" but with a small paycheck. She'd do it as it's easy work and someone's got to pay Vinnie's gambling bills.

Camille is far more fun. I wish they'd give her more to do, but last season she was still recovering from a second bout with cancer.

by Anonymousreply 448July 9, 2018 5:48 AM

R447 I miss that show....Marcy Walker & A Martinez as Eden & Cruz made a wonderful couple. My guess was that the ratings just were not good enough to keep it on the air.

by Anonymousreply 449July 9, 2018 6:06 AM

R449 I know she's retired but I miss Marcy Walker in daytime

by Anonymousreply 450July 9, 2018 6:28 AM

R450 Marcy Walker IN NuAshley! Ashley Abbott joins the ministry.

by Anonymousreply 451July 9, 2018 7:00 AM

Seems silly to quit when you have a good regular acting gig with good pay when most actors are out of work. Jesus, just get up in the morning, go to work, collect pay check. Most actors would kill for this

by Anonymousreply 452July 9, 2018 3:35 PM

BREAKING: Audrey Landers makes her triumphant return to the small screen in the role of Ashley Abbot.

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by Anonymousreply 453July 9, 2018 3:45 PM

Thom Bierdz in as NuAshley

by Anonymousreply 454July 9, 2018 3:54 PM

I met Arvesen's brother Christian at a party circa 1990 or so. He was breathtakingly handsome - so sexy I never forgot him.

Have no idea what became of him, though.

by Anonymousreply 455July 9, 2018 5:31 PM

Does anyone remember Devon Pierce who played David Kimble’s assistant/Romantic interest Diane Westin on Y&R in the late 80’s-early 90’s? I always thought she was so breathtakingly beautiful...does anyone know what happened to her?

by Anonymousreply 456July 9, 2018 5:58 PM

R455 according to her Wikipedia page & his IMDB page he works in film but there appears to only be two credits to his name & hasn’t worked since 1990. Maybe he went back to Norway to live?

by Anonymousreply 457July 9, 2018 6:04 PM

Jeeze, the doctor does an exam on his neighbor without a shirt on?

by Anonymousreply 458July 9, 2018 6:45 PM

R496 She goes by her real name, Ruth Zakarian, which is what she went by when she won Miss Teen USA in 1983. She's on Facebook, but not much info there except that she has a grown-up daughter, who competed in gymnastics and entered the Miss Teen Massachusetts competition herself in 2013. It appears they may have relocated to Southern California (from Massachusetts) since them. In this photo from four years ago, friends were asking her when she was going to start aging.

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by Anonymousreply 459July 9, 2018 7:28 PM

^^^ That, of course, was supposed to be in reply to R456.

by Anonymousreply 460July 9, 2018 7:29 PM

[quote]Jeeze, the doctor does an exam on his neighbor without a shirt on?

Only on a soap opera. And maybe "Grey's Anatomy."

by Anonymousreply 461July 9, 2018 7:31 PM

R461 Scenes like that reek of desperation ... lol! .. Nate's barely been on a week, but they've now featured him parading around shirtless at the penthouse in three different episodes-scenes. .. You'd think Nate was Neil's houseboy.

Let's see .. Uncle-by-marriage only, with wife (Dru) now dead. .. That would actually work.

by Anonymousreply 462July 9, 2018 8:02 PM

Once again, viewers were gifted with prominent Nate nipplage today.

by Anonymousreply 463July 9, 2018 8:09 PM

Being shirtless 3 times maybe gratuitous but I'm not complaining. Nate doesn't have the best face but his body is HAWT!. He seems to have some acting chops unlike the actors who played Scott, Ravi, Tessa, etc..

by Anonymousreply 464July 9, 2018 8:23 PM

Thanks R459 , she still looks great.

by Anonymousreply 465July 9, 2018 8:39 PM

BREAKING!!! MARJ DUSAY IN AS ASHLEY ABBOTT!!

by Anonymousreply 466July 9, 2018 8:49 PM

Still chuckle at the old rumors that Eileen was a t-girl.

by Anonymousreply 467July 9, 2018 8:53 PM

R466 seriously? What a terrible casting choice

by Anonymousreply 468July 9, 2018 9:10 PM

R467 And on that note ...

"Tula" IN as NuAshley Abbott.

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by Anonymousreply 469July 9, 2018 9:14 PM

Bless your heart, R468.

by Anonymousreply 470July 9, 2018 9:14 PM

David Tom IS Ashley Abbott!

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by Anonymousreply 471July 9, 2018 9:34 PM

Really hope they don’t recast Tracy Melchior as NuAshley bitch has been campaigning for it up & down twitter for the past two weeks. Man Young listen to the people & bring back Brenda Epperson as Ashley or kill the character off!

by Anonymousreply 472July 9, 2018 9:38 PM

*mel young

by Anonymousreply 473July 9, 2018 9:39 PM

This “[name] IN as NuAshley” wasn’t funny the first time,

by Anonymousreply 474July 9, 2018 10:11 PM

Brenda Epperson would bring softness and naturalness to Ashley. I can only imagine how she would stack up against Marla Adams. Eileen seems to cow in the presence of Marla. Brenda also stood up to Eric Braeden when she played Ashley. Now that Ashley is out of Newman and will come back to Jabot to fight Billy, the show needs a stronger Ashley and that's Brenda. Eileen seems meek in her scenes with the top males on the show.

by Anonymousreply 475July 9, 2018 10:47 PM

Rula Lenska in as ZeeNuAzleeAbbit

by Anonymousreply 476July 9, 2018 10:51 PM

Brenda Epperson has a wonderful femininity which I've always been drawn to. I always found her sympathetic and involving to watch and cared about what happened to Ashley because she conveyed this lovely quality.

by Anonymousreply 477July 9, 2018 10:55 PM

[quote]Eileen seems meek in her scenes with the top males on the show.

What's the reason for that?

by Anonymousreply 478July 9, 2018 11:08 PM

Some fun insider gossip. Devon was up for contract negotiations right when the David Kimble storyline was kicking into high gear. Peter Barton was "Cough" dating Lisa Rinna at the time was DESPERATE to get on a soap. Anyhoo Devon's agent was asking for more money and Sony/CBS said fuck that and were going to replace her with guess who? Lisa Rinna. Except, Devon ran into one of the publicists on the show at a Sushi bar in the valley and he asked her what was going on with her contract. She said she didn't know and thought maybe he knew. He told her "well from what I hear your agent is being a dick." She called the show the next day and personally resigned. Rinna and Barton broke up and she got cast as Billie on days.

by Anonymousreply 479July 9, 2018 11:24 PM

R475 what show have you been watching? Eileen always brings a hard edge to Ashley and doesn’t have any qualms telling characters where to get off. Eileen has the capability of being more soft and feminine but in all fairness her lack of storyline or love interest is to blame.

by Anonymousreply 480July 9, 2018 11:29 PM

Lucy wanted to play Ashley but Mamie talked her out of it.

by Anonymousreply 481July 9, 2018 11:58 PM

R456, Devon's character went running after David Kimball, tripped, fell on the rug and she's presumably still there as she was never seen again.

Too bad. I hated how some characters just dropped out of sight, but it happens.

by Anonymousreply 482July 11, 2018 4:29 AM

LIsa Rinna really tried to threaten Dee Dee Hall's dominance on Days around 93/94. There was prime time Days special which 'starred' her over other cast members with more seniority. She would (like KimZimmer) rat out her cast members to the soap press, always being a 'go to' person for the most lurid details. When Alfonso came back she realized her 'Days' were numbered. Especially when Alfonso wanted Reckell back because she couldn't tolerate RKK. Rinna had been RKK's biggest supporter - until another cast member started leaking about him and the young actress who played Mimi.

by Anonymousreply 483July 11, 2018 10:51 AM

Mel Awiggins was so OTT. Lawd.

by Anonymousreply 484July 11, 2018 11:40 AM

My local WalMart has tighter security than the Newman ranch.

by Anonymousreply 485July 11, 2018 12:34 PM

Why diesn’t Mel Ahwiggins have an emmy after 40 years in the same role? Oh, wait.

by Anonymousreply 486July 11, 2018 1:24 PM

Has Mal been fired yet?

by Anonymousreply 487July 11, 2018 2:02 PM

Why would they fire Mal? He is the savior of Y&R.

by Anonymousreply 488July 11, 2018 2:38 PM

Isn't Lisa de Cazotte in line to take over?

by Anonymousreply 489July 11, 2018 2:55 PM

Thank goodness that idiotic custody battle for Christian is over!

by Anonymousreply 490July 11, 2018 5:41 PM

R497 The news that Sussman and Alden were canned came in late July 2017, so Mal's one-year is fast approaching. If they're keeping him around for another year, that should become obvious pretty soon.

by Anonymousreply 491July 11, 2018 7:12 PM

[quote]Rinna had been RKK's biggest supporter

And hot RKK supported Rinna sliding up and down on his thick cock.

by Anonymousreply 492July 11, 2018 7:22 PM

They should have Ashley have a mental breakdown, go nuts and get plastic surgery to look just like Nikki. Then MTS can play both roles.

by Anonymousreply 493July 11, 2018 7:24 PM

R464, I have no problem at all with Nate's face.

by Anonymousreply 494July 11, 2018 8:08 PM

Nate should have treated Victor shirtless.

by Anonymousreply 495July 11, 2018 8:19 PM

Mel has her emmy reel for next year. She should submit Monday’s episode. A sure winner.

by Anonymousreply 496July 11, 2018 8:24 PM

Lisa Rinna is lucky -- in real life she has Harry Hamlin.

Although Hamlin isn't at peak hotness anymore.

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by Anonymousreply 497July 11, 2018 8:58 PM

It's been a while since I've watched this. My favorite part always was when Lauren was tormenting the fat girl. I also remember gasping the first time Phillip Jr. came on. Why did they fire him? I loved him.

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by Anonymousreply 498July 12, 2018 2:12 AM

Lisa Rinna in as NuAshley!

by Anonymousreply 499July 12, 2018 2:33 AM

Will Mel Awiggins finally win an Emmy for this material?

by Anonymousreply 500July 12, 2018 2:35 AM

LIsa Rinna? What does Jabot make diapers now?

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by Anonymousreply 501July 12, 2018 2:41 AM

Brenda Dickson IS nuAshley!

by Anonymousreply 502July 12, 2018 2:43 AM

Who the fuck is Mel Awiggins?

by Anonymousreply 503July 12, 2018 2:43 AM

R503: Melody Thomas Scott. Also known as Miss Piggy and Mrs. Awiggins, from the Carol Burnett Show. Pet names for what she looks like.

God, I remember when Nikki was chunky and drunk on the ranch back in summers of the early 90s, Victor had left her for Hope, I think. She was sleeping with Jed who was also getting it on with Jill while Mamie agonized about telling John. As, to be a gayling at Grannie's house in the summer again...

by Anonymousreply 504July 12, 2018 2:50 AM

R498, I was disappointed when Bierdz voted for Trump.

by Anonymousreply 505July 12, 2018 5:23 AM

I wasn't, r505. After all, village idiots and villains on soaps are village idiots and villains off screen too. Trust me if you dare..

by Anonymousreply 506July 12, 2018 5:26 AM

Thom is also cuckoobananas, if that's any indication of his politics.

by Anonymousreply 507July 12, 2018 5:32 AM

There is zero chance that Kimberlin is going to win her election. She’s certifiable.

by Anonymousreply 508July 12, 2018 10:03 AM

[quote] Pet names for what she looks like.

No one else but you thinks so

by Anonymousreply 509July 12, 2018 2:06 PM

The sexual tension between Jack and Kyle is palpable.

by Anonymousreply 510July 12, 2018 2:08 PM

R509: I'm not the one who created the terms, DEAR. Others have long used them on this site. I'm just offering explanation. What's that? You're sorry? That's right.

by Anonymousreply 511July 12, 2018 2:46 PM

The MTS and Miss Piggy comparison has been made on the "totally looks like" website as well.

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by Anonymousreply 512July 12, 2018 3:06 PM

There is only one Miss Piggy, cunts!

by Anonymousreply 513July 12, 2018 3:32 PM

Looks like Miss Piggy. Walks like Mrs Ahwiggins.

by Anonymousreply 514July 12, 2018 5:05 PM

I'm not a fan of Melody Thomas Scott, but she doesn't look like Miss Piggy.

She's always been very pretty.

by Anonymousreply 515July 12, 2018 5:22 PM

why would Summer want old stick figure Billy when she could have hot stud Kyle. horrible writing.

by Anonymousreply 516July 12, 2018 5:35 PM

Victor is gonna beat the shit out of JT on tomorrows show!!!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 517July 13, 2018 12:15 AM

r517

no he doesn't

by Anonymousreply 518July 13, 2018 12:35 AM

I think Nick is wearing a JT mask

by Anonymousreply 519July 13, 2018 12:43 AM

It's Sheila wearing a Nick mask.

by Anonymousreply 520July 13, 2018 12:50 AM

Brendad Ickson is wearing the J T mask.

by Anonymousreply 521July 13, 2018 12:52 AM

R510 I think you have a misunderstanding. Jack is Kyle's daddy literally... not figuratively.

by Anonymousreply 522July 13, 2018 1:00 AM

r522

Kyle and Jack do have almost inappropriate chemistry so do Abby and Kyle

by Anonymousreply 523July 13, 2018 1:52 AM

We'll hear that Eileen has signed on to return to Days right after September when she's done at Y&R. Ron already has a new Kristen storyline ready to go for 2019.

by Anonymousreply 524July 13, 2018 1:58 AM

r524, where have you been? DOOL has already recast Kristen with Stacy Haiduk when Sony wouldn't let Eileen out to do it.

by Anonymousreply 525July 13, 2018 2:21 AM

Now that Y&R can't give Eileen the paycheck she's looking for, don't expect cash poor Days to be able to.

by Anonymousreply 526July 13, 2018 2:29 AM

It sounds like Y&R is pretty cash poor as well. I tuned in the other day and the sets are just as bare as the Days sets and if actors aren't getting paid then there is no difference.

by Anonymousreply 527July 13, 2018 2:34 AM

The Dive Bar and Chancellor Park (an exterior set) on Y&R are two sets that have reappeared for spring-summer shoots and are pretty well done (imo). .. Also, Y&R's business office sets are still very good and certainly beat that "multi-purpose room" that Days uses for anything and everything like that by just changing the furniture in it.

by Anonymousreply 528July 13, 2018 3:13 AM

Yikes! Y&R has under 400,000 women 18-49 viewers. Its not surprising. Even those soaps that were cancelled(AMC, GL etc) had higher demos. Soaps are dead.

by Anonymousreply 529July 13, 2018 3:23 AM

R529

I don't know about YR but there was a huge discrepancy in the GH ratings. They had to be adjusted. Initially GH lost > 250,000 viewers but once they were corrected they gained viewers.

by Anonymousreply 530July 13, 2018 8:06 AM

Who knows what the exact figures are.

All we can say for sure is that it's clear soaps are losing a lot of viewers these days.

by Anonymousreply 531July 13, 2018 8:09 AM

[quote] Who knows what the exact figures are.

True. And CBS would have to release all the on-demand and streaming (non-linear) viewing stats for a clearer picture. The percentage of viewers (especially younger ones) who are now watching "TV" that way increases every year. Heck, even grandma has learned how to watch Y&R on her phone while waiting at the doctor's office.

by Anonymousreply 532July 13, 2018 8:11 PM

R515, exactly moi point!

by Anonymousreply 533July 13, 2018 9:16 PM

R532 Fact: Viewers watching non linear tv is minimal for soaps. Very minimal. Daytime soaps don’t add nearly what primetime shows add. The soaps audience loss in live plus same day is NOT because those viewers are still watching, but in a different way. Viewers are stopping watching altogether. That is a fact.

by Anonymousreply 534July 13, 2018 9:50 PM

So Nick is wearing a JT mask? Cancel this shit already.

by Anonymousreply 535July 13, 2018 10:28 PM

I used to watch soaps but they captured viewers when we had few options.

Plus, we’ve now seen it all.

by Anonymousreply 536July 14, 2018 1:20 AM

I wish I could find the episode of Sharon confronting Nick about Phyllis while wearing Phyllis' lingerie

by Anonymousreply 537July 14, 2018 2:35 AM

r534 - the decline in soaps is due to the birth of cable. Women were always the target audience and daughters would always watch mother's shows. Hell Procter and Gamble produced half the soaps on the air (hence the name soap opera). When Cable came suddenly there were more choices in the daytime. Add to that the daytime talk show phenomena and the share was being eaten alive. Of the "new" soaps only B&B managed to flourish and that was due to an ingenious marketing deal with New World to sell it overseas. It exploded in Greece, Italy, France etc/ Meanwhile back home 20 channel choices became 100 -200 channel choices. Judge shows,, talks shows, game shows, reality shows all cheaper to produce and eating away at Soap market shares. Daughters no longer watched their mother's stories. They grew up on Jenny Jones, Oprah and Judge Judy. Networks soon realized they could put on a badly produced game show costing 1/10th of a soap and hit just as good a ratings. Once Days, Y&R and GH stop making money they will be gone too. B&B may get a life beyond US networks but even it's overseas numbers are falling.

by Anonymousreply 538July 14, 2018 2:54 AM

[quote]I wish I could find the episode of Sharon confronting Nick about Phyllis while wearing Phyllis' lingerie

Joshua Morrow was so hot when he was younger:

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by Anonymousreply 539July 14, 2018 3:05 AM

The French voice actors generally do a great job dubbiing the scenes. "Sharon" is especially good.

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by Anonymousreply 540July 14, 2018 6:31 AM

R537

For some reason CBS/Sony and Days/Sony really clamp down on their stuff being on Youtube. They remove stuff all the time.

As a result fans have used coded playlists to post stuff to Youtube. It's all on Youtube you just have to know how it's listed.

For example all of Sharon/Nick from the beginning and 30 years of Steve/Kayla are on Youtube.

The only way to learn how to find it is to befriend someone on Twitter and they give you the details.

I don't know why YR/BB/Days are such dicks about it. ABC doesn't remove their playlists.

by Anonymousreply 541July 14, 2018 12:36 PM

That’s rick that CBS/Sony pulls old stiff off youtube, but they have no issue with giving away their Friday cliffhangers ahead of time nowadays. It’s a shitshow over at CBS daytime and they are losing viewers by the thousands and hundreds of thousands over a year. Morons are running these shows nowadays.

by Anonymousreply 542July 14, 2018 12:46 PM

[quote][R524], where have you been? DOOL has already recast Kristen with Stacy Haiduk when Sony wouldn't let Eileen out to do it.

Stacy already finished her stint. The show shoots six months ahead. She's already gone. Ron is planning a new Kristen storyline for early next year. Eileen will be available.

by Anonymousreply 543July 14, 2018 12:53 PM

[quote]True. And CBS would have to release all the on-demand and streaming (non-linear) viewing stats for a clearer picture.

Those are already added to the ratings. Read the fine print.

by Anonymousreply 544July 14, 2018 12:54 PM

I always thought Kimberlin Brown would have been an awesome Kristen recast if Eileen wasn't available.

by Anonymousreply 545July 15, 2018 12:33 AM

Kimberlin Brown is too busy these days with her new career as a Repug candidate in California.

by Anonymousreply 546July 15, 2018 4:32 AM

Kimberlin was a disaster last year when she returned to B&B. The show got so much hate mail because of her repuglitics. They quickly backburnered her. She’ll never get another soap job. She’ll never win the election. She will be selling cheap avocados. That’s all she can do.

by Anonymousreply 547July 15, 2018 4:43 AM

Kimberlin was great in the scenes she had last year. It brought back fond memories of the old soaps.

by Anonymousreply 548July 15, 2018 9:54 AM

CBS appeared embarrassed to bring back Kimberlin after they got all the negative feedback about her on B&B. They even refused to cross her over to Y&R to interact with her son Scotty who was on the canvas at the time and her arch enemy Lauren. B&B very quickly cut Kimberlin’s airtime because of all the negative feedback. Smart move on their part.

by Anonymousreply 549July 15, 2018 11:22 AM

That's bullshit r549, she'd already done the RNC a year before she came back to B&B. Her politics was known.

by Anonymousreply 550July 15, 2018 11:32 AM

R550 Her politics were known, correct. But B&B got SO much negative feedback once she was onscreen that they cut back her airtime drastically and backed out of bringing her to Y&R to see her son. If she is so great, why isn’t she on B&B anymore and why dolidn’t she cross over to Y&R? She has said that she is willing to do the soap and campaign at the same time but both soaps are steering clear of her because of the negative reaction to her.

by Anonymousreply 551July 15, 2018 12:44 PM

[quote]If she is so great, why isn’t she on B&B anymore and why dolidn’t she cross over to Y&R

Because she's running for congress.

by Anonymousreply 552July 15, 2018 1:20 PM

R552 Kimberlin has stated that she can do both - run for Congress and work on a soap. Nice try though.

by Anonymousreply 553July 15, 2018 2:04 PM

Nick in a JT mask is epic storytelling.

by Anonymousreply 554July 15, 2018 3:10 PM

CBS is watched by an older, more conservative audience. While I'm not saying that it's impossible, I just find it hard to believe that there was so much outrage over Kimberlin Brown's return to B&B. I just think this is another instance of Brad petering out on a storyline.

by Anonymousreply 555July 15, 2018 3:54 PM

No way Kimberlin could pull off Kristen. She does the cold psycho well but Kristen is sexy and more of a temptress. On OLTL Kimberlin sucked trying to play normal dr.Paige. Horrible character but just showed how bad she was at anything but straight up evil.

by Anonymousreply 556July 15, 2018 4:50 PM

Not to mention KB looks horrid. She needs a lower face lift badly.

by Anonymousreply 557July 15, 2018 4:58 PM

Serial Nutcase: Even if Brad Bell didn’t write for your precious republicunt, you as the nutcase that you are sent plenty of clips to Mal Young, Angelica McDaniel and Sony of Sheila and Lauren, begging them to put Kimberlin on Y&R and to have scenes with her son Scotty. But........crickets. No one wanted her back on Y&R. No one took the bait. There is a reason why she was never crossed over to Y&R last year. She’s a republicunt.

by Anonymousreply 558July 15, 2018 5:14 PM

There are plenty of Republican actors on Y&R though, so that doesn't make sense.

by Anonymousreply 559July 15, 2018 6:04 PM

Kimbercunt just isn’t that good. It’s a no brainer. She’s a one note actress.

by Anonymousreply 560July 15, 2018 6:18 PM

[quote]There are plenty of Republican actors on Y&R though, so that doesn't make sense.

It's true that there are other Republican actors on Y&R.

For example, Joshua Morrow has always been frank about the fact that he's a Republican, but the difference is that none of them are running for office.

When you run for office and become a politician, it's a whole different ballgame.

by Anonymousreply 561July 15, 2018 8:01 PM

Morrow may be republican but he's more your typical "California republican." He's basically just lost in the glory days of Reagan (during the era he came of age). But on social issues he's okay with same-sex marriage and is also pro-environment. He's even tweeted about the impact of global warming. I get the idea that he's, of course, America first, as well as pro law and order, but rather live and let live libertarian.

by Anonymousreply 562July 15, 2018 8:26 PM

Yes, Joshua Morrow has said on twitter that he's pro-gay marriage.

He's conservative on law & order issues (eg. pro-death penalty).

by Anonymousreply 563July 15, 2018 8:29 PM

Just curious. Do you guys reduce every level of you being on who is a republican and who isn't?

by Anonymousreply 564July 15, 2018 8:35 PM

Kunterlin will NOT win. #fact Go the fuck away.

by Anonymousreply 565July 15, 2018 8:38 PM

[quote] No one wanted her back on Y&R. No one took the bait.

While I don't think anyone wanted her back on Y&R, one of the overriding reasons would be a logistical one.

In his interview about the "Sheila character," Brad Bell specifically stated that his current storyline was going to totally disregard anything and everything that had happened to the Sheila character during her last runs over on Y&R. He said this was not part of his Bible, and he had absolutely no use for any of it. He said, that what was all on Y&R, and it was up to them to deal with it. He wasn't touching it.

So if Y&R were to try to do any kind of crossover based on the Brad' B&B story now, then they'd first have to explain away Jack Smith's Sheila-Sugar Story, Lahtam's Shephyllis Story, and MAB's Sarah- Ryder-Daisy Story. Three different regimes, three different stories, and so many asinine problems. Plus, the current EP-HW doesn't have a clue about Sheila, and he'd then have to try to work in what Brad Bell is doing on B&B?

Probably better that they haven't tried to do any kind of cross-over.

by Anonymousreply 566July 15, 2018 8:46 PM

JM's actually one of the first soap actors I remember coming out in support of same-sex marriage. It was in a print interview, wherein the conversation was addressing his own marriage at the time. And just out of the blue, he mentioned that he was supportive of the same-sex marriage ruling that had just come down in Massachusetts (so it would have been around 2003). As I recall, he indicated that one of the groomsmen in his own wedding party who'd stood up for him was gay, and he wanted this guy to have the same right to marry.

by Anonymousreply 567July 15, 2018 9:13 PM

[quote]CBS appeared embarrassed to bring back Kimberlin after they got all the negative feedback about her on B&B.

Wait, what happened?

by Anonymousreply 568July 16, 2018 1:35 AM

I hope Nick wears a HDG mask next and fucks with Dina! I need my HDG fix!

by Anonymousreply 569July 16, 2018 2:20 PM

How does everyone know that's Nick in the mask? Was that on the previews at the end of Friday's show?

Also, if it's true, does it track? In other words, has Nick always been off camera when "JT" has made contact? Nick hasn't gone out of town, so he must have hired people to move the records, etc.

I don't even know why I give a shit about this ridiculous storyline...

by Anonymousreply 570July 16, 2018 4:20 PM

Missed opportunity - Victor should have shot Nick with the mask on and then realized what he'd done. Now that's drama.

by Anonymousreply 571July 16, 2018 7:03 PM

Missed opportunity - Victor should have fucked Nick with the mask on and then realized what he'd done. Now that's drama.

by Anonymousreply 572July 16, 2018 7:33 PM

R572: That would be right up Bill Bell's ally, so to speak.

by Anonymousreply 573July 16, 2018 7:37 PM

R570 People know because they either watch or read the day-in-advance recap of the episode broadcast that's broadcast by Global in Canada.

by Anonymousreply 574July 16, 2018 8:00 PM

I think Eileen quit after taping that awkward awful scene with Uncle Tom Neal Winters today. Talk about 2 actors with zero chemistry. That's the best they can do with her? Neal is such a namby pamby loser.

by Anonymousreply 575July 16, 2018 8:12 PM

Yeah, I'm sure she totally said Kristoff is an Oreo and sucks at acting, so I quit! Totally plausible.

by Anonymousreply 576July 16, 2018 8:17 PM

[quote]day-in-advance recap of the episode broadcast that's broadcast by Global in Canada.

Yes, Global Canada has been broadcasting Y&R a day in advance of America for many years.

Not sure when that arrangement started.

Kind of odd that Canada gets to see Y&R before America does.

by Anonymousreply 577July 16, 2018 8:24 PM

Days used to air a day ahead back in the 90s.

by Anonymousreply 578July 16, 2018 8:29 PM

R577: The Canadian advantage in life. Great health care, public auto insurance (in some provinces), liberal society and day ahead on Y&R.

by Anonymousreply 579July 16, 2018 8:30 PM

It's always awkward when the man's cup appears larger than the woman's.

by Anonymousreply 580July 16, 2018 8:48 PM

R580: What size cup do we think old lady Braden wears these days? C? D just to keep his saggy tits off the floor?

by Anonymousreply 581July 16, 2018 10:57 PM

[quote]It's always awkward when the man's cup appears larger than the woman's.

Are you referring to Joshua Morrow's pecs?

What type of body does he have these days?

by Anonymousreply 582July 17, 2018 5:20 AM

R569, Joshua is OLDER than Max Shippee if you can believe it!

Vinessa Antoine out as Jordan on GH (she got a TV series in Canada)

Wouldn't it be great if Mishael Morgan were in?

by Anonymousreply 583July 17, 2018 6:24 AM

Who's got bigger tits, Summer or Nick?

by Anonymousreply 584July 17, 2018 5:15 PM

Can someone post a screencap of Joshua Morrow's current body?

by Anonymousreply 585July 17, 2018 6:17 PM

This says it's from February of this year.

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by Anonymousreply 586July 17, 2018 6:22 PM

These seem recent, though not sure how much. He really doesn't have much in the tits department, does he?

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by Anonymousreply 587July 17, 2018 6:24 PM

Thanks.

I haven't watched Y&R for several years, so I was just wondering if Joshua has kept his body up.

by Anonymousreply 588July 17, 2018 6:35 PM

R588: I don't watch anymore either, but now you got me thinking. Which actors does have the biggest tits? Our gal Chrissy had some, but I do believe this pic is back awhile...

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by Anonymousreply 589July 17, 2018 6:45 PM

Where can I purchase a JT mask?

by Anonymousreply 590July 17, 2018 7:05 PM

R581 R582 I was talking about Neil's cup size vs. Ashley's.

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by Anonymousreply 591July 17, 2018 7:25 PM

R589 That pic of Chrissy is probably 15 years old.

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by Anonymousreply 592July 17, 2018 8:21 PM

R588 A scene from a recent Shick hook-up. Morrow still looks quite good. His weight fluctuates a bit. Occasisonally, he's looked like he's going the dad bod route, but then he drops the pounds. The muscle tone is still there ....

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by Anonymousreply 593July 17, 2018 8:27 PM

... but of course, it's not the same as his gym bod from around 2006.

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by Anonymousreply 594July 17, 2018 8:28 PM

... shoulders!

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by Anonymousreply 595July 17, 2018 8:32 PM

Yeah, Joshua Morrow is 44 now, so I was wondering if he was developing a Dad bod.

He has always had a nice ass, though:

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by Anonymousreply 596July 17, 2018 8:38 PM

R591: I apologize. And damn, Kristoff got good tit game!

by Anonymousreply 597July 17, 2018 10:21 PM

Public Information Statement:Is Kyle Abbot Gay is the pre-existing Y&R thread at this time. Post your answers there.

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by Anonymousreply 598July 17, 2018 10:24 PM

Kyle got some tit game going on too.

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by Anonymousreply 599July 17, 2018 10:27 PM

Looks like Kyle shaves his bush.

Shame.

by Anonymousreply 600July 17, 2018 10:27 PM
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