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Transgender kids’ brains resemble their gender identity, not their biological sex

A new study led by a Belgian neurologist found that brain activity in transgender people resembles that found in cisgender people of their gender more than their sex assigned at birth.

Julie Bakker of the University of Liege led the research, which involved MRI scans of 160 transgender people diagnosed with gender dysphoria who were children and teenagers. The scans also measures brain microstructures using a technique called diffusion tensor imaging.

Their brain scans were compared to people of comparable age who were not diagnosed with gender dysphoria. The study found that transgender boys’ brain activity resembled cisgender boys’, and transgender girls’ brains resembled cisgender girls’.

The researchers said that their technique could be used to help transgender children at an earlier age.

“Although more research is needed, we now have evidence that sexual differentiation of the brain differs in young people with GD, as they show functional brain characteristics that are typical of their desired gender,” said Bakker.

“We will then be better equipped to support these young people, instead of just sending them to a psychiatrist and hoping that their distress will disappear spontaneously.”

The study’s results, which were presented at the European Society of Endocrinology’s meeting, fall in line with previous neurological studies that showed that transgender adults have similar brain structures to cisgender people of their gender.

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by Anonymousreply 192October 1, 2018 12:53 PM

All of this is made up crap to support sexism and eliminating homosexuality.

They are making up fake science about it, too, as they have in the past about women and homosexuals. They challenge straight control too much.

by Anonymousreply 1June 21, 2018 4:01 AM

Right on cue

by Anonymousreply 2June 21, 2018 4:03 AM

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH no such thing as lady brain fuckstain

by Anonymousreply 3June 21, 2018 4:03 AM

Hopefully this study is replicable, unlike tranny colon snatch.

by Anonymousreply 4June 21, 2018 4:03 AM

Now tell us about the children

by Anonymousreply 5June 21, 2018 4:05 AM

Notice how "girls" and "boys" exist only when it's convenient to the trans agenda? Otherwise, you are literally KILLLLLLING them by using those CIS words!!!

by Anonymousreply 6June 21, 2018 4:05 AM

Don't forget Iran and Isis.

by Anonymousreply 7June 21, 2018 4:06 AM

The children are being abused by their parents and profit seeking "gender" clinics

by Anonymousreply 8June 21, 2018 4:06 AM

[quote]Now tell us about the children

Tell us how you don't care about this political attack on homosexuality

by Anonymousreply 9June 21, 2018 4:07 AM

They do not know single fucking thing about these children

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by Anonymousreply 10June 21, 2018 4:08 AM

Ready for your big finish?

by Anonymousreply 11June 21, 2018 4:10 AM

There is NO SUCH thing as a "cisgender man" or "cisgender woman", there are men and women, PERIOD!

STOP speaking the press releases of the transtapo!

by Anonymousreply 12June 21, 2018 4:10 AM

What they’re not telling you is that trans “women” and gay men also have indistinguishable brain structures. Who’s right, then?

by Anonymousreply 13June 21, 2018 4:11 AM

Studies and polls are notoriously subjective. The findings are influenced by, among other factors, who commissioned the study/poll, who funded it, who formulated/asked the questions and to whom, how the data was compiled and who had overall responsibility for data compilation.

by Anonymousreply 14June 21, 2018 4:12 AM

Exactly. Especially "studies", "polls" related to this subject.

by Anonymousreply 15June 21, 2018 4:14 AM

Brava! another flawless performance.

by Anonymousreply 16June 21, 2018 4:14 AM

It's been nice being an adult gay man in America.... while it lasted.

Stories like this (and the wealth and media power behind the Trans agenda) really has me wondering if our days are numbered.

by Anonymousreply 17June 21, 2018 4:22 AM

I know, R17. And no one cares, and it is being so aggressively pushed. I think when people innocently started being "out" they never realized it would lead to this, but that is nasty, nasty politics,

by Anonymousreply 18June 21, 2018 4:25 AM

It's nice to have an obsession to latch your neurosis onto

by Anonymousreply 19June 21, 2018 4:26 AM

And? Why would it matter? Gender and sex are different things. Just because you identify as a female doesn't mean you're truly a biological female. We never should have conflated the two.

by Anonymousreply 20June 21, 2018 4:28 AM

Gender and sex are the same, except according to the magical thinking of the "trans" agenda. How you choose to present your gender/sex is what is different.

by Anonymousreply 21June 21, 2018 4:31 AM

[quote]We never should have conflated the two.

We never did. T did because they can only get by on confusion, not clear language. It is all lies.

by Anonymousreply 22June 21, 2018 4:32 AM

Biological sex is real.

Everyone is confused because of the jargon word "gender" which is now being used to mean: 1. biological sex and 2. social stereotypes about behavior and dress for men and women. Blame "Gender Studies."

by Anonymousreply 23June 21, 2018 4:36 AM

There should have been years, DECADES, of this sort of research before a single child was given a hormone or a puberty blocker! But there wasn't. Children have been given these life-chaging experiemental drugs without proper research, because the trans lobby has pushed for it and because the drug companies make big bucks from the false hopes of unhappy children.

It's "first, do no harm" not "first, make a profit".

by Anonymousreply 24June 21, 2018 7:26 AM

That article is worthless, it just makes a blanket statement without a single shred of detail. HOW are brains the same, what structures are being compared?

For all we know after reading that stupid article, the doctor concluded that since the brains of women and transwomen are similar because they're soft and grayish and found inside a skull.

by Anonymousreply 25June 21, 2018 7:29 AM

Pseudo science. For every “study” proving one thing, there is another study proving the exact opposite. This is such bull shit.

by Anonymousreply 26June 21, 2018 7:39 AM

Trans are less likely to procreate. This may be one reason why it’s being pushed.

by Anonymousreply 27June 21, 2018 7:56 AM

Not surprising. Probably 90% of trans men are INTP personality type...

* "masculine" intellectual interests

* preference for solo technical solutions to social problems

* tendency to EGREGIOUSLY underestimate just how hard transitioning will be, and how disappointed they'll be after "bottom surgery" fails to give them an arm-sized cock that would make a black Puerto Rican jealous.

* enjoy reinventing themselves & trying on new identities.

* It's not a huge reach to say many of them are "gay men trapped in women's bodies"

If you're into nerdy bearcubs & can get past the plumbing problem, you'll probably get along with an INTP trans guy quite well. Mentally, they're guys in every sense. It's our duty to warmly welcome them to the Patriarchy (n.b., INTP trans guys tend to get on the shit lists of militant lesbians because they tend to make politically incorrect observations. They'll be the first to sarcastically point out when the Emperor is nude.

by Anonymousreply 28June 21, 2018 8:32 AM

Oh God, here we go again with the anti-trans troll.

If you block R1, the following are revealed to be him = R5, R8, R15, R18, R22 & R23.

Poor thing! He can't find another thread that pisses him off more so expect him to keep coming back to this one.

Everything old in his mind is new again.

by Anonymousreply 29June 21, 2018 9:35 AM

Nope. The jury is still out. There is no such thing as a 'male' brain or a 'female' brain. There are indications that perhaps a transgender brain might resemble, guess what, a transgender brain! No research yet has proved conclusive, many have been contradictory.

This article gives a fair summary of research so far:

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by Anonymousreply 30June 21, 2018 9:49 AM

I'm sure if you honestly believe you are the opposite sex, and people go along with that delusion, then the way you think probably does look like the thinking of the opposite sex.

The brain is malleable.

But that doesn't mean these people are 'stuck in the wrong body'.

by Anonymousreply 31June 21, 2018 10:35 AM

R30 This is correct. Anyone claiming to be able to identify a " male brain" or " female brain" is working with very dubious information from bullshit studies.

by Anonymousreply 32June 21, 2018 11:13 AM

[quote]Studies and polls are notoriously subjective. The findings are influenced by, among other factors, who commissioned the study/poll, who funded it,

Studies/polls? Interesting that you’re trying to lump this scientific research in with polls.

The transbashers always scream SCIENCE! when they say a man cannot be a woman, yet they are quick to turn on science when it says something they don’t like.

Trannies can be annoying as fuck when they want to be, and I think a lot of the current crop are indeed fakers. But if a tranny and a transbasher were drowning and I could only save one...

... well actually I’d probably make a martini.

by Anonymousreply 33June 21, 2018 11:23 AM

[quote]quick to turn on science when it says something they don’t like.

This is junk, not science. This in no way can compared to the basic science of true biological reality, such as male sex and and female sex.

You sit there imagining fantasies about people drowning who question this anti-science, anti-gay, anti-women ideology? Insane.

by Anonymousreply 34June 21, 2018 11:39 AM

The same person who wrote this "article" also wrote this one:

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by Anonymousreply 35June 21, 2018 11:42 AM

So, then why don't they use brain scans to avoid transing kids who are not trans? Like that boy in Australia who transed at 12 and then detransitioned at 14.

He has a lot of permanent bodily damage due to that mistake. Would that boy's brain scan be different from a "real" trans kid?

Will brain scans become a requirement before a parent can start even socially transing a kid?

by Anonymousreply 36June 21, 2018 11:43 AM

The whole "brain scans" stuff is bogus - they have it on tons of clickbait articles

They don't have to do brain scans when the whole idea of "transgender" is bogus to begin with. This is homophobic hysteria because their kid might be gay.

And it being confused with adult straights with a cross-dressing fetish. Because a lot of people are still homophobic and sexist and the trans push is encouraging that. And Pharma wants more money.

by Anonymousreply 37June 21, 2018 12:05 PM

The same person who wrote this article wrote this one, which includes:

"The issue is that “LGBT” is a deceptive term. It looks like it’s a bunch of different groups of people who may or may not have anything in common being thrown together, but it’s actually describing a single idea. It looks like a list, when it’s really not a list at all.

Instead, “LGBT” can be thought of as a single word, and “LGBTQ,” “LGBT+,” and “GLBT” are common variants of that word. This word LGBT refers to people whose fundamental identities cause them to live their lives in ways that are significantly incompatible with the expectations associated with the gender assigned to them at birth."

by Anonymousreply 38June 21, 2018 12:08 PM

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by Anonymousreply 39June 21, 2018 12:12 PM

Gender is not "assigned" at birth.

This is another tranny lie.

Biological sex is determined in utero. Fetal chromosome testing is crystal clear about that.

by Anonymousreply 40June 21, 2018 12:45 PM

Follow the money & the puppetmasters behind the scenes.

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by Anonymousreply 41June 21, 2018 12:47 PM

The person who wrote the article at OP also wrote this

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by Anonymousreply 42June 21, 2018 12:56 PM

I know, R40. That was total T propganda quoted at R38. He said "LGBT" means one thing: gender assigned at birth.

The T political attack on gay liberation and women's liberation is incredible and keeps growing every day. The gay people who cannot see this are breathtakingly stupid.

by Anonymousreply 43June 21, 2018 12:59 PM

Its good to have a something more tangible to probe sexual dismorphism. I agree about use it before treatment with hormones in under age kids, in competitive sports, scholarships, before transition surgeries, etc.

by Anonymousreply 44June 21, 2018 1:03 PM

R28 What's your opinion of INTJs vis-a-vis gender roles?

by Anonymousreply 45June 21, 2018 1:05 PM

What is "sexual dismorphism" but some made-up homophobic bullshit?

Tomboys, kids who might be gay, kids with OCD, austistic kids, kids playing with the wrong toy are all being lumped in together and subjected to some serious "medical" malpractice because of some homophobic/sexist panic and because people are making money off of it.

by Anonymousreply 46June 21, 2018 1:16 PM

Doesn't matter.

They are not biologically same as "cis" and never deal with the myriad of issues that stem from biology - especially sexism which is about biological sex. They do not have the same experiences shaped by society.

They have no business calling themselves opposite sex. Trans is no different from black face.

by Anonymousreply 47June 21, 2018 1:19 PM

Biologically, most transgender brains more closely resemble the brains of schizophrenics.

by Anonymousreply 48June 21, 2018 1:22 PM

r41 you linked a Federalist article, which is a site funded by propagandists. If you can find a non-Russian-linked website, I'd be interested in the information.

by Anonymousreply 49June 21, 2018 1:34 PM

"A new study led by a Belgian neurologist found that brain activity in transgender people resembles that found in cisgender people of their gender more than their sex assigned at birth."

Um, doesn't this just mean that both male and female brains are far more multifaceted than was previously known? And wouldn't that support the gender critical view, rather than trans ideology?

by Anonymousreply 50June 21, 2018 1:54 PM

R49 Im willing to accept the info in that article, as presented.

If you find that source unacceptable, feel free to do your own research.

by Anonymousreply 51June 21, 2018 2:00 PM

TERF is said to mean 'trans exclusionary radical feminist' but that's not the definition the trans extremists are using. TERF means 'anyone who disagrees with us' and is a slur aimed at women. There is no equivalent name for men.

Men can say the most appalling things on social media but trans extremists don't go any where near them. They just go after women.

Lesbians are being told that if they don't suck the 'ladydick' then they are transphobes, bigots and nazi's. LG and B are being told that they're all wrong because genital preference is transphobic, bigoted and actually a choice. Not something you're born with. This is homophobia.

Woman doesn't need a prefix, Trans Woman does. Woman is an adult female. Trans extremists are misogynistic, bullying narcissists and violence against women is alive, well and necessary among this group.

Trans extremists need to be stopped. Just this week they threatened to bomb a women's meeting in the UK. Other women are receiving death threats. This is male violence against women.

by Anonymousreply 52June 21, 2018 2:08 PM

^^BRAVO !!

by Anonymousreply 53June 21, 2018 2:10 PM

r51 is clearly a Russian propagandist.

by Anonymousreply 54June 21, 2018 2:26 PM

R14 Right, and should we instead believe anonymous posters ranting about conspiracy theories and the "transtapo"? Which source of information would a reasonable person weigh more heavily?

by Anonymousreply 55June 21, 2018 2:56 PM

R52, I totally agree with your POV, but Jesse Singal of The Atlantic (and his editors, and his coworkers, and his friends) is being bombarded with death threats this week after writing a very reasonable article about teen detransitioners. Now that they're threatening a man (for once), people are actually starting to give a shit. When it was just women, no one cared.

by Anonymousreply 56June 21, 2018 2:57 PM

There is no conspiracy.

This is funded by trans with money, Big Pharma, and political organizations

by Anonymousreply 57June 21, 2018 2:58 PM

Oh, Nature isn't perfect. Why would we expect sexuality or identity to be perfect every time? Albinos, dwarves, eleven toes... who cares? Just live.

by Anonymousreply 58June 21, 2018 3:05 PM

This isn't about intersex, though. And that has nothing to do with "sexuality" or "identity."

by Anonymousreply 59June 21, 2018 3:21 PM

One of the others associated with this "research" is an author of

"Identity recognition statement of the world professional association for transgender health (WPATH)"

This is disturbing trans propaganda

by Anonymousreply 60June 21, 2018 4:08 PM

"The transbashers always scream SCIENCE! when they say a man cannot be a woman, yet they are quick to turn on science when it says something they don’t like. "

R33 and R41, there is NO SCIENCE in that article, just a blanket statement with no data or details. It doesn't say what the differences between "male brains" and "female brains" are, and it doesn't say what supposed similarities are between brains of one sex and transsexuals are. If you blindly accept the blanket statements of the article, you are a silly person with no critical thinking skills, because it's telling you something you want to believe.

Gawd, do people have no critical thinking skills any more? The article is so useless that I can't even tell whether the study itself is bullshit, because there's no information about the actual findings! Whoever wrote and published this mess should be ashamed to call themselves journalists.

by Anonymousreply 61June 21, 2018 4:24 PM

From 2008:

Researchers using brain scans have found new evidence that biology—and not environment—is at the core of sexual orientation. Scientists at the Stockholm Brain Institute in Sweden report in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences USA that gay men and straight women share similar traits—most notably in the size of their brains and the activity of the amygdala—an area of the brain tied to emotion, anxiety and aggression. The same is true for heterosexual men and lesbians.

Study author, neurologist Ivanka Savic–Berglund, says such characteristics would develop in the womb or in early infancy, meaning that psychological or environmental factors played little or no role.

"This is yet another in a long series of observations showing there's a biological reason for sexual orientation," says Dean Hamer, a molecular biologist at the National Institutes of Health (NIH), who was not involved in the study. "It's not just a reflection of people's behavior, nor is it a choice, nor is it something in their rearing environment. [The study] shows that it's something that people are born with."

Previous studies have examined brain differences between gay and straight people on the basis of their responses to various tasks, such as rating the attractiveness of other people. The problem was that there was no way to determine whether their responses were colored by learned social cues.

To get around this, Savic-Berglund focused on the structure and function of brain regions that develop during fetal development or early infancy—without using any cognitive tasks or rating systems.

The researchers used MRIs to determine the volume and shapes of the brains of 90 volunteers—25 straight and 20 gay members of each sex. They found that the straight men and gay women had asymmetrical brains; that is, the cerebrum (the largest part of the brain, which is responsible for thought, sensory processing, movement and planning) was larger on the right hemisphere of the brain than on the left. In contrast, they found that women and gay men had symmetrical cerebrums.

The team next used PET (positron emission tomography) scans to measure the blood flow to the amygdala, that part of the brain controlling emotion, fear and aggression. The images showed how the amygdala connects to other parts of the brain, giving them clues as to how this might influence behavior. They scanned subjects' brains when they at rest and did not show them photos or introduce other behavior that might have been learned.

They found that in gay men and women, the blood flowed to areas involved in fear and anxiety, whereas in straight men and lesbians it tended to flow to pockets linked to aggression.

Robert Epstein, emeritus director of the Cambridge Center for Behavioral Studies in Concord, Mass., agrees that the study offers compelling evidence that sexual orientation is a biologically fixed characteristic. But he cautions that these findings may vary in different people whose sexual orientation is not that clear-cut, which his own research shows includes a majority of the population.

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by Anonymousreply 62June 21, 2018 4:57 PM

R27: Gays can't procreate. I hear that's why they push their lifestyle.

Anti-gay talking points now reformulated and attacking trans people. You should be ashamed; I know you're not, but damn you, you should be!

by Anonymousreply 63June 21, 2018 5:10 PM

R54 Mary, please. Thats your response to anything & everything you dislike.

Grow up.

by Anonymousreply 64June 21, 2018 5:15 PM

Wow surprising study. I don't really "get" trans stuff but I believe in treating people with respect always and giving people the benefit of the doubt. But this study is pretty interesting evidence there's more going on here than we thought

by Anonymousreply 65June 21, 2018 5:19 PM

R64 is clearly an Elder of the Mormon faith.

by Anonymousreply 66June 21, 2018 5:20 PM

Ok, this has convinced me. I take back all the fucked up shit I said about trannys. We still need to Drop the T however. They need to join a feminist or woman's group.

by Anonymousreply 67June 21, 2018 5:22 PM

Remember that this isn't ALL self-identity information trans people. As mentioned in the Atlantic article above, some children seek it out because they don't feel normal but can't identify why, and later regret the phase - as it is just a phase. It's a very tiny percentage who are truly "born into the wrong body".

Children's brains aren't fully developed and they can't vote or drive for that reason, so letting them make major life choices at young ages is a bad, bad idea.

by Anonymousreply 68June 21, 2018 5:33 PM

The thing is, I've long though that there could be a biological/neurological basis for some cases of transsexualism, the "Truetrans" people. But the article is so poorly written that there's no way to tell if this study actually supports that theory, or is just more useless junk science that's telling some people what they want to hear.

And of course, not all transsexuals are "truetrans" with genuine gender dysphoria, there are also fetishists and people who can't accept their homosexuality or gender non-conformism, and messed-up people who think that changing sex will solve all their problems, etc. If a loser nerd on the autism spectrum thinks that putting on a dress will change his life from worrying about his lack of masculinity to a lesbian porn film, that's not because of biological differences in his brain.

by Anonymousreply 69June 21, 2018 6:04 PM

Don’t let r33’s “newspeak” redefine reality.

Nobody here has “bashed” a tranny.

However, “queer identified straight females” DID bash a lesbian outside a gay bar in STL called the Grey Fox Pub.

by Anonymousreply 70June 21, 2018 6:20 PM

[quote]This word LGBT refers to people whose fundamental identities cause them to live their lives in ways that are significantly [bold]incompatible with the expectations associated with the gender assigned to them at birth[/bold]."

Logic is not Ts friend.

Why not just adjust EXPECTATIONS of gender rather than GENITAL MUTILATION?

Also, what about the human skeleton? Can scientists determine bio sex based on an old fossil?

Why, yes they can actually. It’s called DNA.

Men have XY chromosomes and women have XX.

DNA doesn’t lie. It’s very clear, & cannot be changed.

So why ignore male/female chromosomes but not the brain?

Why ignore reproductive organs but not the brain?

Because they’re making up pseudo-science to support their insanity.

T is 100% bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 71June 21, 2018 6:29 PM

R49, the author is a well known environmental activist. She’s as progressive as you can get.

Liberals are censoring debate on this topic.

by Anonymousreply 72June 21, 2018 6:35 PM

R63, right back atcha.

Gay Rights now reformulated and attacking gay people. You should be ashamed. You’re lying to kids who think can actually change sex. You’re co-opting a legitimate, grass-roots minority group to benefit mentally ill straight men.

You’re sterilizing & mutilating children.

by Anonymousreply 73June 21, 2018 6:41 PM

Some troll I blocked long ago is going on a rampage on here, so general reminder: deplorables aren't wanted on DL. You have your own spaces on breitbart and 4chan. Stay there with your own kind

by Anonymousreply 74June 21, 2018 6:55 PM

R71 Most people who are not supportive of trans rights seem to also have a very rigid idea of gender norms. If people would relax on that front, maybe there would be less people experiencing gender dysphoria.

And what do you mean ignore male/female chromosomes? What exactly would they study there? Is someone suggesting chromosomal sex can be changed?

by Anonymousreply 75June 21, 2018 7:01 PM

There's a new medical field and industry being created here. Someone else mentioned that in another thread. I think that they are correct.

by Anonymousreply 76June 21, 2018 7:11 PM

"Most people who are not supportive of trans rights seem to also have a very rigid idea of gender norms"

Actually, nobody has a more rigid idea of gender norms than some transsexuals. They genuinely believe that if you like ruffles and pink thinks it means you're female, and if you like trucks and bad language then you're male! It's an incredibly limiting view of the sexes.

The gays and feminists who don't agree with this world view are the ones with very expansive ideas of gender expression, they're totally accepting of feminine men and masculine women as they are, while the Transies say that feminine men and masculine women need to have surgery and a lifetime of dangerous hormones. Oh, and of course the genderqueers have an idea of sex and gender that's more aligned with the old-school feminists and gays than with the modern transsexuals who think that butch = male and femme = female, but for some reason they're siding with the rigid-minded transsexuals against the feminists and gays whose thinking is actually more similar to theirs. Go figure.

by Anonymousreply 77June 21, 2018 7:11 PM

[quote][R52], I totally agree with your POV, but Jesse Singal of The Atlantic (and his editors, and his coworkers, and his friends) is being bombarded with death threats this week after writing a very reasonable article about teen detransitioners.

Wow r56. I read The Atlantic article (thank you r10 for linking it) and found it very thoughtful and insightful. For those who didn't read it, it doesn't exclusively focus on detransitioners. It's actually a very balanced piece about how transitioning is not the magic solution for everyone and particularly teens and kids whose brains aren't yet fully developed enough to understand their own complex feelings.

It speaks volumes about the disturbing thuggery in some parts of the trans movement that some would resort to death threats rather than allowing any rational discussion to be had.

Congratulations to The Atlantic for having the courage to approach this issue in a very even handed way.

by Anonymousreply 78June 21, 2018 7:15 PM

Fine article showing pioneer research in trans cognition.

by Anonymousreply 79June 21, 2018 7:23 PM

R79 'Trans Contagion', there fixed it for you

by Anonymousreply 80June 21, 2018 8:13 PM

if there were no trans people anywhere, these same asshole would just be spewing hate at some other random group. They need to try and spread hate and division because they are utterly broken people

by Anonymousreply 81June 21, 2018 8:18 PM

R81 is projecting.

Ts are homophobes.

Pointing out that it’s impossble to change sex is not “hate” — it’s truth.

Ts are filled with hate...hatred of themselves, hatred of bio females, hatred of homosexuality.

They need psychological treatment not surgery.

by Anonymousreply 82June 21, 2018 8:32 PM

Honest question. Which sex do you guys think came first. And do u think in the future humans will be unisex?

by Anonymousreply 83June 21, 2018 8:40 PM

R83 xx No

by Anonymousreply 84June 21, 2018 8:41 PM

[quote] Most people who are not supportive of trans rights seem to also have a very rigid idea of gender norms. If people would relax on that front, maybe there would be less people experiencing gender dysphoria.

This is the most clueless comment ever. It is T supporting rigid stereotypes about men and women. A "woman" to them is someone in high heels that looks like a prostitute. If a young boy plays with a doll or a girl plays with a truck there is something wrong with them - they must be transgender - this is being said now thanks to the very rigid, very sexist, very homophobic trans ideology.

by Anonymousreply 85June 21, 2018 9:16 PM

Gender is your chromosomes; sex is your genitals.

Did you read the news that gender dysphoria wa removed as a mental illness by WHO? I refuse to call myself cis.

by Anonymousreply 86June 21, 2018 9:21 PM

"Gender" is a nothing word. There is biological sex and that is it.

Yeah the WHO caved into trans propaganda either due to politics or Big Pharma. "Gender dysphoria" is a made up thing, too.

The ones that obsess over it have OCD and anxiety. The kids are just being abused because they are not acting stereotypically heterosexual enough.

It's deeply depressing and a real attack on progress for child protection, women, homosexuality, science, research, scholarship, and health.

by Anonymousreply 87June 21, 2018 9:40 PM

Gender dysphoria was formerly called gender identity disorder.

by Anonymousreply 88June 21, 2018 10:05 PM

What a load of tripe.

by Anonymousreply 89June 21, 2018 10:26 PM

R74 it seems to have escaped your notice that you are actually the minority here. That doesn’t surprise me though because various other things seem to escape your notice quite regularly - like science, biology, reality, women’s rights etc.

by Anonymousreply 90June 21, 2018 11:14 PM

R74 might be in the minority in your threads but not on DL. You idiots have your threads to yourselves because the rest of us know better than to get caught up in your toxic crusades. It's always just the same obsessed group of people talking to each other. Nothing ever changes.

by Anonymousreply 91June 21, 2018 11:53 PM

More people are interacting with trans people in everyday settings like on the streets, on public transportation and in stores.

Some are having to deal with it in their schools. A few are having to compete against trans for spots on female sports teams.

The question is are these interactions viewed positively or negatively?

Metro: Move to repeal Massachusetts transgender protection law sees some support, polls show

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by Anonymousreply 92June 22, 2018 12:02 AM

Have there been any studies comparing trans brains to the brains of people with other body dysphoria? Like those people who think they should only have 1 leg.

by Anonymousreply 93June 22, 2018 1:49 AM

That is what they are really closest to, but you don't have to study their brain. Just listen to their obsession. Same with anorexics. Obsession with the body with underlying depression/anxiety or anti-social disorders.

by Anonymousreply 94June 22, 2018 2:18 AM

How conveniently binary and essentialist of you, OP

by Anonymousreply 95June 22, 2018 2:21 AM

I have noticed it is a recurrent story/pattern with kids. When people with gender dysphoria tell their story it always begins with them being gender nonconforming, liking to play with toys of the other sex and etc. Whe they are very little they don't think about gender but when they turn around 3/4 years old and start having some awareness about gender roles they seem to erroneously interpret their interests as being the other sex. Let alone there's a correlation between gender dysphoria and autism and people with autism have problems to differentate, for example, a boy is still a boy even if he likes pink or dolls and vice versa.

by Anonymousreply 96June 22, 2018 5:46 AM

I can't imagine that the Trans Activist Lunatic Fringe really wants to establish a biological basis for transsexualism. Because if there actually is something in the brain that makes certain people believe they are not the biological sex they are, that would have to be considered a neurological defect. And yes, it would have to be framed as a defect, if they want the treatment (hormones, medications, and surgery) to be covered by medical insurance.

The other reason they don't want to find a biological basis for transsexualism is that the majority of transsexuals would test negative! Autogynophilia and genderqueer fuckery don't have a biological basis, yet the autogynophiles and genderqueers want to consider themselves to be as trans as the "truetrans", and want the same medical things to be available and covered by medical insurance. Really, they need to think these things out.

by Anonymousreply 97June 22, 2018 5:52 AM

R56 Yes, totally agree.

The situation with detransitioners is particularly worrying. Lots of people are saying they lost their entire support network when they detransitioned. They're ostracized for not going along with the trans myth that no one changes their mind and trans extremists are doing all they can to ensure that this information is circulated.

I agree with the poster further up the thread who said that this is about Big Pharma and it is. There's the opportunity to make a lot of money in this field and 'transing' is being pushed at children in particular. We also know that some teenagers are just along for the ride. They want to be seen as special too.

There's 'guidance and advice' being pushed in UK schools that if a girl complains about having to share a bathroom with a trans girl, then the girl must be seen as the problem and the girl must be removed from the situation. This is insane and misogynistic. Trans extremists are trying desperately to wipe out the definition of 'woman' and to replace it with what they think.

Trans extremists want every thing to be the way they want, because it's all about them. The narcissism is incredible.

I am not 'cis' which I consider to be a made up word with no actual meaning. I am a woman, an adult female. When I see the homophobia, misogyny, violence, rage and narcissism current in the trans movement there is no way in hell that I'm going to give up female only spaces. I'm not going to lie down and accept their definitions either. This is a tiny group of people and they don't rule the world.

by Anonymousreply 98June 22, 2018 5:54 AM

That should say 'this information is NOT circulated'

by Anonymousreply 99June 22, 2018 5:57 AM

R45, I'm inclined to believe that an INTJ would probably just end up as a frumpy, nerdy lesbian who doesn't particularly give a shit what others think about her gender-nonconformance.

For an INTJ trans woman, their female plumbing is an indisputable fact not subject to debate that settles the matter. They'll accept that they're a woman, but take liberties with their interpretation of what it MEANS to "be a woman".

The autism connection is noteworthy, too. One common trait of individuals on the autism spectrum is "obsessive special interests" -- they latch onto something, and it totally consumes them for hours/days/weeks/months/years at a time. Transitioning is the ultimate obsessive special interest.

Dating is less of an issue for trans guys than you'd expect, simply because most of them are autistic & would have serious problems sustaining relationships anyway... trans, or not. If anything, being trans opens at least as many doors as it closes.

Truthfully, one of the hottest guy I ever fucked was trans. Super hot musclebear, simultaneously delicate features with rough, masculine trim. The catch was, I never actually got to see "hole #1" -- I had to fuck him through a hole in his underwear, and he made it clear that the entire topic was off-limits & taboo. I have zero attraction to women, but I probably WOULD have fucked his front hole if he'd let me, if only out of intellectual curiosity & desire to fuck for once without encountering shit. Genitalia aside, he was hot as fuck. If he'd had a dick, he would have been total "A-List" musclejock.

by Anonymousreply 100June 22, 2018 8:23 AM

I wonder if there is similar brain activity between a trans person and a narcissist?

by Anonymousreply 101June 22, 2018 8:34 AM

Autism and Gender Dysphoria

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by Anonymousreply 102June 22, 2018 8:34 AM

What a load of bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 103June 22, 2018 8:36 AM

R62 wasn't that study totally debunked because the " scans " were handpicked to make their case instead of being randomized?

by Anonymousreply 104June 22, 2018 8:37 AM

R102 my autistic cousin decided she was trans a couple of years ago. 2 of her school friends ( also autistic) followed suit within weeks of her coming out. She changed her mind a year later and went back to being a girl. The other kids waited a few weeks and did the same. All this after a year of suicide threats, therapy and general drama. Shes now accusing her poor parents of " allowing " her to be " brainwashed" by YouTube videos. The whole thing is hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 105June 22, 2018 8:42 AM

Oh the Putinites here raging from the basement in St. Petersburg about trans Americans . The ones not so ugly are on the above floors spreading Trumpy & Putty propaganda.

by Anonymousreply 106June 22, 2018 9:06 AM

Trans haters can be positive and support amazing non-surgical vaginas. There is the Kelly Anne Pussy threads to celebrate and admire.

by Anonymousreply 107June 22, 2018 9:14 AM

When I wa a child I was a little gender nonconforming. As a boy there was a period in my childhood when I played with dolls. I liked them because they looked cute. I never took the role of a girl or woman when I played with dolls; I simply liked them because some dolls looked cute and sort of they woke feelings in me to take care of them. But I always loved boy tiys much more. It's just that perhas we all, boys and girls have those protective instincts but companies don't really make toys for boys' fatherly instincts.

by Anonymousreply 108June 22, 2018 9:49 AM

R108 I worked at a Steiner kindergarden in the 80s where there was no restrictions on what the kids were allowed to play with. The alternative nature of the parents meant that they weren't particularly pressured at home either. Their role models would have included a lit of stay at home dads/ working moms etc. After a couple of years observing these little kids I came to the conclusion that " gender conforming behaviour " is probably the result of parental/ peer shaming. Because when they're left to enjoy toys/clothes without disapproval they seem to go for the same stuff regardless of gender.

by Anonymousreply 109June 22, 2018 12:02 PM

R91 & R74 are hateful.

Hate is how we ended up with Trump as president. And the Pulse massacre among other things.

Progressives are not hateful.

Avoid the haters. Just ignore them. Don’t let their hate spread.

by Anonymousreply 110June 22, 2018 2:27 PM

LOL.... Right, R110, like the rest of the posts on this thread are nothing but sweetness, light and love, with no hate at all. Tell me, have you often had trouble with reading comprehension?

by Anonymousreply 111June 22, 2018 4:34 PM

As a child I was able to understand it was incorrect for boys to play with dolls. In my case it wasn't a strong impulse and I also never played with dolls as if trying to be a woman or assuming that role or idealising women; I was just a boy and always felt comfortable with being a boy and never desired to be a girl. Like I said before, I always loved boy toys more but as a human being there is also a gentle side in boys that usually boy toys don't cater to. R109

by Anonymousreply 112June 22, 2018 5:27 PM

R111 is part of the T Cult

by Anonymousreply 113June 22, 2018 6:03 PM

Can someone give me a link that explains/breaks down the trans insanity?

I am trying to explain it to someone, but he wants a good "source" - the problem is the best sources are small websites etc as is censored in mainstream media.

Any links would be appreciated

by Anonymousreply 114June 22, 2018 7:34 PM

In any case women need to be protected because of their bodies, not their minds

by Anonymousreply 115June 22, 2018 7:42 PM

R109 has the crux of it - the best way to treat gender non-conforming behavior in children is to accept it as absolutely normal. Same for adults.

Saying it needs to be treated with surgery and hormones and puberty blockers is cruel and insane, and in the case of children it's frank malpractice. Nobody should sign up for gender reassignment unless they're fully aware of the dangers and limitations of the process, and the children who are being put through this horrible process have no idea it won't actually make them into the pretty girl or hot guy they want to become.

by Anonymousreply 116June 22, 2018 7:55 PM

Vicious social media attacks on a tiny percent of the population tells more about the nasty attackers than the target.

I would expect the random trans person is more culturally adjusted and mentally stable compared to the these trans-bashes that troll dl with same ole tiresome shit.

The overwhelming number of people are not obsessed about trans. Few encounter them; and when they do, most don't realize it or don't care or find the experience as nothing special.

by Anonymousreply 117June 22, 2018 7:56 PM

Gender dysphoria comes with anxiety, depression, etc. R117

by Anonymousreply 118June 22, 2018 8:51 PM

R117, I don't hate trans people, I wish them well. I just disagree with everything they believe in.

There's a huge difference, which you don't seem able or willing to grasp.

by Anonymousreply 119June 22, 2018 8:56 PM

They purposely misuse the word "hate" to stop people from discussing the subject.

by Anonymousreply 120June 22, 2018 9:04 PM

[quote]Vicious social media attacks on a tiny percent of the population tells more about the nasty attackers than the target.

r117 you need to take a look at some of the overt threats of violence against women on anti-TERF social media sites as well. Plus check out the recent completely inappropriate "art exhibit" at the SF public library featuring barbed wire wrapped pink and blue baseball bats and axes by to be used as weapons against TERFs. Trans groups have marched in Pride parades brandishing these same weapons as well. What sort of message does that send about this "tiny percent of the population" who look more like the aggressors than victims to me?

Feminists...pussy hats. Trans women...barbed wire wrapped bats. Which group would you say have women's brains?

by Anonymousreply 121June 22, 2018 9:34 PM

I don't hate transgender people. I have changed my vision of them through time however becaue I have been exposed to more scientific research and detransition cases, things I didn't know about. Gender dysphoria is a mental disorder and what most of us wish for them is them finding peace within themselves and acceptance of their biological reality. The body is fine; it's the mind that's not right.

by Anonymousreply 122June 22, 2018 9:35 PM

R117 actually it's becoming more commonplace to encounter trans people. Not every day but periodically in stores and on public transportation Transsexuals were truly rare but not transgender people because the definition of transgender is so open.

For one, I occasionally see guys who would once have been called crossdressers now dressing as women in public. But unlike transsexuals, no surgery or hormones. Just makeup and dresses.

Less visible but still occasionally seen are those who utilize hormones and/or surgery.

Increasingly, people are going to make up their minds on this issue based on the at least one trans adult they have encountered. That's what happened with gays and lesbians.

by Anonymousreply 123June 22, 2018 9:38 PM

[quote] “Although more research is needed..."

by Anonymousreply 124June 22, 2018 9:41 PM

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by Anonymousreply 125June 22, 2018 9:50 PM

True trans are also heterosexual R125

by Anonymousreply 126June 22, 2018 10:05 PM

You talking post transition, R126?

by Anonymousreply 127June 22, 2018 10:32 PM

No. Heterosexual people also experience gender dysphoria. There is not one single cause for gender dysphoria but many and heterosexual people are not immune to it. R127

by Anonymousreply 128June 22, 2018 10:51 PM

I hate the way the transtapo verbally, physically and sexually attack women. How they refuse to listen to any form of criticism. How instead to looking at the problems within their movement they threaten violence to anyone that disagrees.

by Anonymousreply 129June 23, 2018 12:17 AM

Their crazy ideology does not stand up to scrutiny so they have to silence, threaten and even physically beat anyone who tries to talk about it.

by Anonymousreply 130June 23, 2018 12:20 AM

R128 - you’re right. I’ve never met a trans women who didn’t start out as a heterosexual male.

by Anonymousreply 131June 23, 2018 12:40 AM

Autogynephilia is discarded as a real thing and the concept is full of pre conceived ideas and prejuidces against homosexuality.

by Anonymousreply 132June 23, 2018 10:55 AM

Worth looking at these links abut T funding

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by Anonymousreply 133June 24, 2018 9:24 AM

Wait, most trans people are autistic? Thats a first I'm hearing this.

by Anonymousreply 134June 24, 2018 9:41 AM

R65 is one of the few reasonable people in this thread.

by Anonymousreply 135June 24, 2018 10:17 AM

A lot of the trans push is a fad., especially the "genderqueer" and "non-binary" bullshit.

Give it a few years: the fad will pass, and hopefully not too many people will have done irreversible damage.

by Anonymousreply 136June 24, 2018 1:36 PM

Not all transgender people are autistic but there is a strong correlation. Trauma can be another factor to trigger gender dysphoria and many other reasons.

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by Anonymousreply 137June 24, 2018 3:08 PM

R135 That research isn't research, it is opinion. Nobody here buys trans lies because they all are, no markers, 85% of children misdiagnosed, what a cluster fuck

by Anonymousreply 138June 24, 2018 7:51 PM

The transphobic TERFs and TUMFs sound very Trumpian and Pency.

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by Anonymousreply 139June 24, 2018 8:50 PM

R139 Julia is a fucking nut, like you. Rack off to Everyday Trannynutbars

by Anonymousreply 140June 24, 2018 8:52 PM

Bigotry of all kinds does tend toward the same bad logic

by Anonymousreply 141June 24, 2018 8:52 PM

Sweeping generalities, cherry-picked data, obsessive fixation and bullying repetition and name-calling.

by Anonymousreply 142June 24, 2018 8:55 PM

R142 And they lie constantly

by Anonymousreply 143June 24, 2018 8:57 PM

That's trans propaganda, R139.

by Anonymousreply 144June 24, 2018 8:59 PM

What in the everloving fuck is a "TUMF"?

by Anonymousreply 145June 24, 2018 9:19 PM

R145 More invented hatred from the trannys one presumes, as it is all they do

by Anonymousreply 146June 24, 2018 9:21 PM

They sit on there, all day, making up nonsense words.

by Anonymousreply 147June 24, 2018 9:24 PM

Sit there...

I was going to write "they are on the computer" or "sit there..."

by Anonymousreply 148June 24, 2018 9:25 PM

I started to read the article at r139: "For many decades now, transgender communities have used the term “transphobic” as a catch-all adjective to describe language, actions, attitudes, and/or people that delegitimize or disparage us. "

Then I popped over to Google Books. According to my search, the word "transphobic" was first used in a book published in 2003. (Not to say it wasn't used in trans communities before that, but it's a stretch to say "many decades now," no?

by Anonymousreply 149June 24, 2018 9:30 PM

R149, They lie about everything. E V E R Y T H I N G .

by Anonymousreply 150June 24, 2018 9:32 PM

R149 ALL THEY DO IS LIE, and rewrite history

by Anonymousreply 151June 24, 2018 9:32 PM

I give Julia props that she’s not *as* nutty as the other trans pit bulls, but she still can’t seem to grasp the fact that trans women have been and always will belong to a different category—and that is NOT a bad thing. Different == better or worse

In one of her articles she says something like [quote]when a TERF says trans women aren’t real women because they can’t menstruate or have childbirth, I remind them that not all cis women can do those things either. Should they be excluded from womanhood?

She fails to understood basic philosophy. If there is no clear definition of a group, then the group name has no meaning: semantics 101. What women have had in common since the beginning of time is a female phenotype. If she wants to use some reverse “No True Scotsman” argument, then one could argue that feminism isn’t necessary since not all women are abused by men.

by Anonymousreply 152June 24, 2018 9:33 PM

R152 that depends, are those women who can't give birth or menstruate genotipically XX? It's that simple

by Anonymousreply 153June 24, 2018 9:39 PM

I'd wear a mini skirt if it would get me hot trucker or construction worker cock. Does that count?

by Anonymousreply 154June 24, 2018 9:40 PM

R152 Serano is nutty as fuck

by Anonymousreply 155June 24, 2018 9:44 PM

XX = female

XY = male

Variations = very rare genetic abnormalities

That is science.

by Anonymousreply 156June 24, 2018 9:54 PM

The Southern Poverty Law Center may need to determine these TERFs and Tumfs as hate groups.

by Anonymousreply 157June 24, 2018 9:55 PM

Anti-men, anti-gay-male, anti-m T f. Not nice.

by Anonymousreply 158June 24, 2018 9:58 PM

Trans are anti-gay male.

by Anonymousreply 159June 24, 2018 10:01 PM

The "Southern Law Poverty Center" will declare anyone a hate group if you throw enough money at them.

by Anonymousreply 160June 24, 2018 10:02 PM

The Southern Law Poverty Center should declare Trans a hate group - they are known for constant death threats and rape threats to anyone who questions their mad ideology. They also encourage malpractice on minors as their ideology supports hateful homophobia and sexism.

by Anonymousreply 161June 24, 2018 10:04 PM

So I am zipping through Julia's article "Debunking “Trans Women Are Not Women” Arguments"

Can you imagine for more than .0001 seconds the reactions if people tried to pull this shit RE: Rachel Dolezal's "transracial" persona? "Excuse me, POC, but please take a seat. Let me explain to you how a white person who identifies as a POC knows more about your experiences than you do, and is more fit to explain them; and how you're WRONG for saying that your perspective is different."

Women -- REAL WOMEN -- shouldn't tolerate this shit either.

by Anonymousreply 162June 24, 2018 10:13 PM

R162 Her argument that “trans have been present throughout history” is misleading. It’s third genders that are nearly universal across cultures. Third gender people would never say “I am a real woman/man”—that is a very Western post-modern/navel-gazing phenomenon (as is trans-racial).

by Anonymousreply 163June 24, 2018 10:21 PM

Gays:

The Southern Poverty Law Center knows and has declared.

They come on DL and elsewhere "passing as progressive, feminists, and LGB friendly".

They are trolls from right-wing Christian, fundamentalist hate groups.

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by Anonymousreply 164June 24, 2018 10:21 PM

This is trans tactics posting at R164. Pence and the fundies exist, but trans are anti-gay, too.

There is nothing more right wing than the homophobia and sexism of trans.

Attacking minors who seem gay and pushing them to be trans is horrific. And this is what trans is pushing.

This is being carried out in fundamentalist extremist Iran. No gay people allowed, but the government pays to trans people (to get rid of gay).

by Anonymousreply 165June 24, 2018 10:26 PM

r164 I am "gender critical" or whatever; I think there is a real difference between women and trans women, and that we should acknowledge that difference. I'm not Christian (atheist/agnostic), I support gay rights (obviously; I'm out and proud), and I'm the opposite of "right wing."

by Anonymousreply 166June 24, 2018 10:27 PM

R166, 164 knows that. He just wants to smear anyone who questions the ideology.

by Anonymousreply 167June 24, 2018 10:34 PM

[quote]Autogynephilia is discarded as a real thing and the concept is full of pre conceived ideas and prejuidces against homosexuality.

Not true. AGP has been criticized for being an unflattering diagnosis that hurts feelings. It’s clear as day that Jazz and Caitlyn suffer from two different sets of issues. More real research is needed, but debate isn’t allowed. Nothing alarming about that.

by Anonymousreply 168June 24, 2018 11:17 PM

Biology isn’t a matter of opinion. No MtT will ever have ovarian cancer, no FtT will ever have prostate cancer. This is reality. If you can’t deal with the reality of life itself - that humans are a sexually dimorphic species who reproduce by male & female copulation - that is not the responsibility of everyone else around you to pretend otherwise. If physical reality triggers you that much maybe you should consider therapy instead of surgery.

by Anonymousreply 169June 24, 2018 11:32 PM

Trans activism is not the same as transpeople themselves. It's like Gay Pride; Gay Pride is not the same as homosexual people ourselves, right? Many of us criticise Pride.

by Anonymousreply 170June 25, 2018 12:52 AM

Mmmhmmm. Sure.

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by Anonymousreply 171June 25, 2018 1:14 AM

There needs to be a national cable TV show, including a radio parallel broadcast, entitled: ASK CAITLYN. Screened callers could phone in, or audience questions are received, and Caitlyn Jenner could field those and answer. She could have guests such as trans-psychologists, trans-spirtualists, trans-modelss such as her friend Sophia, and trans-celebrities such as Chelsea Manning. It would be very educational and clarify so much.

by Anonymousreply 172June 25, 2018 1:59 AM

R170 Yeah everyday trannys are really nice and normal, believed no fucker ever

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by Anonymousreply 173June 25, 2018 2:16 AM

""Excuse me, POC, but please take a seat. Let me explain to you how a white person who identifies as a POC knows more about your experiences than you do, and is more fit to explain them; and how you're WRONG for saying that your perspective is different." "

I'm just trying to imagine the shitstorm that would ensue of some white man said that we need to redefine race by identification, that looks and ancestry are just inconvenient societal constructs. And that because defining race by looks or ancestry are inconvenient for a (privileged) few, everyone else should just ignore their existence.

And yet, women who try to speak their truth and get their identity as women validated by others are told anything from "check your privilege" to "I punch TERFs"! Sexism is alive and well, and so is homophobia. Say you're a man who likes dick and these same assholes will say you're not gay you're a genital fetishist, again because your sexuality is inconvenient to an extremely privileged few.

by Anonymousreply 174June 25, 2018 6:35 AM

TERFs & TUMFs. Has Betsy DeVos spoken about this?

by Anonymousreply 175June 25, 2018 9:13 AM

Seems to be trauma is a common element. Is it possible that trans are literally becoming something else, for the sake of giving up a historic self that is too upsetting to keep?

by Anonymousreply 176June 25, 2018 10:20 AM

There seems to be a number of military types that end of trans. Trauma again!

by Anonymousreply 177June 25, 2018 10:24 AM

In my opinion, r176, it may have something to do with Cluster B disorders (esp. borderline personality disorder) and an unstable sense of self. I think borderlines tend to be suggestible as well, and a lot of trans (esp. "genderqueer" and "non-binary") people I know have adopted this persona more in response to the trend, not in response to any genuine feelings about their gender. (Not to say that they haven't really felt they don't fit in -- that's a common variable I'd argue -- but twenty years ago they'd have been goth/punk, and maybe ten years before that they'd have had "multiple personality disorder.")

The underlying feelings haven't changed, only their manifestations; and right now, they're manifesting as "trans."

At their core, I suspect most of these people want desperately to be accepted.

by Anonymousreply 178June 25, 2018 10:28 AM

You know, let's be generous here and say this study is proof positive of an actual brain configuration for a minority of people.

So? What other group of people with a (in this case, rare) physical abnormality has been legally accommodated to the detriment of the majority?

Sidewalk ramps benefit us all. Sign-language accompanists are unobtrusive. Guide dogs are awesome to watch. Provision of special meals (for allergies, e. g.) affects only the consumer. There are no studies I'm aware of that show the average classroom is negatively affected by the inclusion of Special Needs children.

Males with these allegedly different brains in heretofore female-only areas: bathrooms; locker rooms; store changing rooms?

Males with these allegedly different brains on heretofore female-only sports teams?

Males with these allegedly different brains insisting on altering the language rather than themselves: "cis"; "zhir" (or whatever the "new" pronouns are supposed to be); even "trans-woman"?

All pretty much benefit the minority to the detriment of the majority, which happens to be not only the majority of the group to which they lay claim, but is also the majority of the general population.

What other Civil Rights issue, if indeed this is one, has hurt the majority?

by Anonymousreply 179June 25, 2018 11:03 AM

R179 here. One last point:

Transgenders should be careful of what they wish for. If brain studies of living people show definite proof of a difference, then HAVING one's brain studied---i. e., a doctor's note---might be in the future a requirement for all people who want legal rights beyond mere cross-dressing.

by Anonymousreply 180June 25, 2018 11:10 AM

Autogynephilia R168

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by Anonymousreply 181June 25, 2018 11:19 AM

Drop the troons.

by Anonymousreply 182June 25, 2018 2:31 PM

Of course this is the case. Why would someone go through painful surgery and spend money if this weren't the case?

by Anonymousreply 183June 25, 2018 3:41 PM

"Of course this is the case. Why would someone go through painful surgery and spend money if this weren't the case?"

You really don't understand straight men, do you? There are straight men who have died in air shafts and chimneys because they were attempting to assault women. There are countless straight men who were more than willing to go to prison for the rest of their lives just so that they could kill their wives. There are straight men who have started wars so that they could "have" women of certain ethnicities. There are straight men who have worked themselves to death building entire industries/religions on controlling women's bodies. But you think a boob job is beyond their limit?

by Anonymousreply 184June 25, 2018 4:04 PM

“A Lowell woman is accused of masturbating in front of a 15-year-old girl and assaulting her with a sex toy in January…”

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by Anonymousreply 185June 26, 2018 12:54 PM

Per r144, “Medium” regularly promotes T propaganda.

by Anonymousreply 186June 26, 2018 4:01 PM

Very true r161

by Anonymousreply 187June 26, 2018 4:04 PM

I want to mention something that made a lot of sense to me. This is from a different thread about trans women in women bathrooms. "...if they were real women they would know why women don't want men in their private spaces..."

If they really want us to think they have the mind of a woman, they should show more respect and understanding, but forcing their way in is something an abusive man would do.

by Anonymousreply 188June 27, 2018 3:56 AM

If being being a man or a woman were a feeling then both transwomen and women should experience that same feeling and they should be able to identify it; the same should be the case for transmen and men, we should all experience that "I feel like a man" feeling and we should be able to idenify it. The reality, however, is that there is not such feeling. The only reason we know we are men is because of our biology.

We start learning about who we are since childhood when we are presented with the differeces between men and women. We don't look for a feeling that ligns the body and the mind; we simply acknowldge our physical nature.

From all I have seen about transgender people one of the most recurrent reasons why they think they are the other sex is because they are gender nonconforming, the typical girl who likes boys' toys and clothes and has no interest feminine stuff. The error is in their minds; not their bodies.

by Anonymousreply 189October 1, 2018 3:20 AM

R188 is correct. If they had the minds of women they would be more understanding of their needs and would accept using a separate bathroom, but they insist on steamrolling all over women's rights instead, just like straight white guys do.

by Anonymousreply 190October 1, 2018 3:30 AM

I am not surprised as I would also expect gay men to have different brain structures compared to straight men. I wonder if they would do a comparison on transgenders brains vs. gay men

by Anonymousreply 191October 1, 2018 4:03 AM

The study on homosexual men's brains has been greatly misinterpreted. There is an area of the brain that is slightly more developed in homosexual men compared to that of heterosexual men. It's an area of the brain that shows activity when a homosexual man feels sexually or romantically stimulated by other man. It also shows activity when a homosexual man smells male pheromones. The brain of heterosexual men shows no signs of acitvity when exposed to stimuli from men but it shows activity when stimulated by women.

Women also have that area of the brain more developed, however, this finding has be wrongly misinterpreted by ignornt people to state that homosexual men have female brains which is utterly false. This find simply shows that sexual orientation is hardwired in the human brain but it has no part in determining gender identity.

There is absolutely no sound evidence of a heterosexual brain, gay brian, male brian, female brain, etc. or anny are ain the brian that may determine gender identity.

by Anonymousreply 192October 1, 2018 12:53 PM
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