Hall must elect Janet

To make things worse, Madonna and Elvis never wrote any of their own songs. In contrast, Janet Jackson has written most of the music and lyrics to every one of her hits. And she’s had more notable hits than Madonna or Elvis Presley. She has also been a bigger influence on people of different cultures and races. Janet’s Rhythm Nation album, for example, is seen by many civil rights activists as the album that broke all racial barriers in the music industry. Madonna and Elvis had some notable albums, but neither artist risked singing about social issues. Madonna exploited those with AIDS while Janet sang “Together Again” as a tribute to all her friends lost from the disease. She (along with Lady Gaga) are the gay icons of our time. Not Madonna.

We are asking that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame delete Elvis and Madonna from their roster and replace them with Janet Jackson. If the RRHOF doesn’t, we demand that Madonna opt out and ask to be replaced by Janet. It would be a great way of using her white privilege to help out a minority singer who has been repressed by the industry for so long. Janet Jackson is simply one of the most talented musicians of all-time and deserves respect, not repression.

Thanks to columnists Touré and Todd “Stereo” Williams for contributing to this article.

Happy to see Queen with the legend's. She is even over Michael Jackson.

Most successful hot 100 acts in history. #1. The Beatles #2. Madonna #3. Elton John #4. Elvis Presley #5. Mariah Carey #6. Stevie Wonder #7. Janet Jackson #8. Michael Jackson #9. Whitney Houston #10. Rihanna

Black people got more problems than a math textbook.

Most Weeks at No. 1 in Billboard Hot 100's History 79, Mariah Carey

60, Rihanna

59, The Beatles

50, Boyz II Men

47, Usher

42, Beyonce

38, Drake

37, Michael Jackson

34, Elton John

33, Janet Jackson

33, Katy Perry

Elvis Presley could sing and in many different moods. He was a gifted singer. He was a good live stage performer, as well. Madonna, well, let's just say she sang, and for a couple years in the beginning, she sang her heart out. Not a gifted singer, but.

Janet CAN NOT SING.

but she bleaches her skin and has enuf plastic surgery to kill a hog.

Shut up Janbot

[quote]Madonna and Elvis never wrote any of their own songs.

The blatant lies it likes to tell.

Yass!

Where is Prince? There is some serious lack of talent on that list.

Mark my words. Janet is absolutely, without a doubt, totally getting in next year!

[quote]To make things worse, Madonna and Elvis never wrote any of their own songs.

And yet Madonna is at #56 among Rolling Stone's 100 Greatest Songwriters of All Time:

[quote]56 - Madonna. Before she was a star, Madonna was a songwriter with a sharp ear for a hook and a lyrical catchphrase, playing tracks like "Lucky Star" for record companies in the hope of scoring a contract. Her earliest hits honed the electro beats coming out of the New York club scene into universal radio gold. But songs like her greatest statement, "Like a Prayer," can also summon an anthemic power to rival Springsteen or U2. Madonna has enlisted numerous collaborators en route to selling more than 300 million albums — she started working with longtime writing partner Patrick Leonard after he brought her "Live to Tell" in 1986, and from Shep Pettibone and William Orbit in the Nineties through Diplo, Avicii and Kanye West on 2015's Rebel Heart, she's worked successfully with producers across many genres. Through it all, her songs have been consistently stamped with her own sensibility and inflected with autobiographical detail. "She grew up on Joni Mitchell and Motown and. . . embodies the best of both worlds," says Rick Nowells, who co-wrote with Madonna on 1998's Ray of Light. "She is a wonderful confessional songwriter, as well as being a superb hit chorus pop writer."

[quote]It’s really frustrating — there is one white woman who has been praised by the masses for her sexual exploration, but Janet has been condemned just for accidental revealing of a breast,” Jimmy Jam, one of Janet’s famous co-producers, tells us.

Revisionist bullshit. Since her debut to the present, Madonna has been called slut, tramp, whore, cunt... every name you can throw at a woman who flouts society's standards. She has been threatened with excommunication. She has been condemned by conservative groups. She has suffered career backlash after the Sex book, etc. It hasn't exactly been smooth sailing for Madge. Janet's mistake was revealing her breast on network television during a big All-American event. Much different than showing tit in books and magazines. But so what? Like Madonna, Janet has endured the slings and arrows and continues to have fans. I don't understand the need to pit one against the other, and demean or diminish one's accomplishments in order to praise the other. It's pointless and puerile.

R12 how is that possible if Madonna never wrote a single song? And if Madonna is #56 where is Janet? I'll bet she's in the top 10.

[quote]Janet's mistake was revealing her breast on network television during a big All-American event.

Wasn't the bigger mistake lying about how it was an "accident?"

Her biggest mistake was giving away kids like Halloween candy.

Yeah, OP, Janet can be inducted after Kate Bush, who is infinitely more talented, has always written her own music, without needing the assistance of Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis, produces her own albums, and has been a role model for women in music since the late 70s.

I don't dislike Janet, but Kate Bush is on an entirely different level.

OP or Janet, girl, please don’t forget to take your medications.

Does the RNRHOF take into consideration ticket sales and cancellations? Does playing State Fairs help or hurt the nomination process?

The CEO of the Rock Hall even thinks Janet should be in. Her credentials and influence qualify her to have been a shoo-in her first year of eligibility. The rock hall has always slighted black women, but Janet not being in yet is utterly ridiculous.

I'm sure he says that about every nominee. Is he going to say that someone nominated shouldn't be? Yeah, I don't think so.

Regardless, he said it and he’s not wrong.

The fact that Rihanna is at #2 for her trashy music is a travesty.

[quote] Yeah, OP, Janet can be inducted after Kate Bush, who is infinitely more talented, has always written her own music, without needing the assistance of Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis, produces her own albums, and has been a role model for women in music since the late 70s. I don't dislike Janet, but Kate Bush is on an entirely different level.

Yassssssss! We need a Katebot!

OP, wth are you talking about? A lot of what you said is just made up garbage. MADONNA is widely considered the first woman to have complete control of her career, not Janet. Madonna is the world's biggest selling female artist and in the 80s, she inspired tons of imitators, none of whom survived the 80s. The music industry kept trying to make new Madonna's and failed. Janet is very influential but in comparison to Madonna, she will always be in 2nd chair.

Janet will never get in, for really having only one great album (RN), she can't or won't sing live, didn't her boyfriend write a lot of her songs and never received credit or something? Then the Superbowl thing, and she still pretends it was an accident?

Though based just on her body of work alone, she probably should be in, but then again the RNR hall of fame looks at the whole picture. But then again, who really cares about it anyway?

And writers of the article/OP, seriously, more memorable hits than Madonna or Elvis? You're nuts. There is a reason The Immaculate Collection is the biggest selling compilation album by a solo artist and Design of a Decade isn't. The majority of the songs on The Immaculate Collection are still played on the radio and remembered today. And regarding "racism" about Janet's nipple slip and Madonna getting away with things. You clearly don't remember the SEX book. After that, Madonna's career was (rightfully) on life support until Ray of Light. She toned down her sexual image considerably after that. Why else would she follow up Erotica with a ton of (mostly forgettable) ballads. The fact that Janet was dumb enough to flash her nipple at a family event isn't Madonna's problem Not to mention--did the authors forget to note that Janet was very sexual starting from around 1993 onwards? There was no backlash against her until she showed poor planning and flashed her nip. Whoever wrote this article is just trolling and forgot to mention that Madonna DID co-write most of her hits, at least officially. Before Madonna and Michael Jackson, it was not common for pop stars to co-write their hits, it was more common to have a song-writer give you material. Really, the author of this article (and by extension, OP) are like those morons who were pissed when Adele won the Grammy award this year. Get over it. If you care that much about the Rock and Roll hall of fame/the Grammy's you need a life (and you probably have bad taste in music).

A troll post that troll-prone DLers will gladly debate viciously.

And, yes, I know it's an actual article.

slapped viciously

R29, both the OP and the writer's of the article are trolling. They are no different from those cry babies who got mad when Adele won Album of the Year and requested she HAND OVER the award to Beyonce....or, going years back, those people who thought Kanye was justified in being an ass to Taylor Swift at the VMAs (and I can't stand Taylor).

Also, Whitney and Michael Jackson broke down racial barriers FAR earlier than Janet (not to mention Donna Summer). When will people realize Janet did not have a big impact outside of the United States? Unlike Whitney, Madonna, Mariah and Celine, she is only really popular in the United States. She never had a single album sell more than 20 million copies globally. Madonna and Celine have three albums that did while Whitney and Mariah have two. So much for "shattering barriers" worldwide.

Madonna, the Queen of Pop, the most influential female recording artist of all time.

1. Madonna is recognized as the best-selling female recording artist of all time by Guinness World Records. guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/best-selling-female-recording-artist

According to Chartmaster, Madonna is the best-selling female recording artist of all time. chartmasters.org/2017/10/cspc-most-successful-artists-ever-data-collector/26/

1. The Beatles – 405,737,000 (as of Mar 2017) 2. Michael Jackson – 323,741,000 (as of Sep 2017) 3. Madonna – 241,134,000 (as of Aug 2017) 10. Céline Dion – 193,422,000 (as of Sep 2016) 13. Mariah Carey – 167,149,000 (as of Apr 2017) 18. Barbra Streisand – 152,498,000 (as of Mar 2018) 19. Whitney Houston – 151,693,000 (as of May 2017) 32. Britney Spears – 100,827,000 (as of Feb 2018) 36. Rihanna – 86,846,000 (as of Nov 2017) 37. Enya – 86,457,000 (as of Feb 2018) 39. Adele – 84,148,000 (as of Mar 2018) 41. Shania Twain – 80,479,000 (as of Dec 2016) 43. Janet Jackson – 77,131,000 (as of Apr 2017) 45. Beyoncé – 74,052,000 (as of May 2018) 46. Cher – 72,435,000 (as of Aug 2017) 47. Taylor Swift – 68,538,000 (as of Oct 2017) 48. P!nk – 62,872,000 (as of Oct 2017) 55. Shakira – 55,211,000 (as of Dec 2016) 56. Lady Gaga – 54,236,000 (as of Mar 2018) 62. Christina Aguilera – 50,732,000 (as of Mar 2017)

2) According to Billboard, Madonna is the most successful solo act on its Hot 100 singles chart and second overall behind the Beatles. billboard.com/charts/greatest-hot-100-women-artists

3) She is also the highest-grossing solo touring artist of all time, earning U.S. $1.4 billion from her concert tickets. billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7271843/madonna-extends-record-highest-grossing-solo-touring-artist

List of highest-grossing concert tours: Celine is the only female artist comes close to Madonna. Her Sticky & Sweet Tour made over $400M. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_concert_tours

As of 2016, Billboard Boxscore ranked Madonna as the third highest-grossing touring act of all time, with over $1.31 billion in concert gross since 1990, behind only The Rolling Stones ($1.84 billion) and U2 ($1.67 billion).

4) She was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in her first year of eligibility.

5) Madonna topped VH1's countdown of 100 Greatest Women in Music. vh1.com/news/1238/the-100-greatest-women-in-music/

6) Rolling Stone listed her among the 100 Greatest Artists of All Time and the 100 Greatest Songwriters of All Time rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-artists-of-all-time-19691231/talking-heads-20110426 rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-songwriters

7) CNN listed her as the wealthiest musician in the music business money.cnn.com/2014/12/02/luxury/richest-recording-artists/index.html

8) Madonna also remains the only woman in history with two solo concerts attended by 100,000 people; her Who's That Girl World Tour's concert in Parc de Sceaux, Paris, drew over 130,000 audience, while her Girlie Show World Tour's concert in Maracanã Stadium, Rio de Janeiro, drew over 120,000 audience

Yeah, R33 but yawn. She's missing some important accomplishments. Did Madonna ever play, let alone bankrupt a State Fair?

she is as fake as her nose and skin bleaching...

R35 that's pretty messed up of you to not mention her pregnancy in that.

[quote]Before Madonna and Michael Jackson,

Ahem...

Janet’s obviously had more influence than Madonna as a whole. Every hot artist today continues to name check Janet as an influence, and her work is seen in just about everything they do. Britney worships her, Bruno loves her and covers her music, as have Kelly Clarkson and Robyn, Beyonce has given Janet props several times and has looked up to her since she was a kid, Rihanna loves her and has copied Janet’s looks and stage shows on occasion, Gaga has called her a genius, Usher loves her, Ciara idolizes her, as does Kelly Rowland, J-Lo got into the business because of her, the late Aaliyah idolized her as well, P!nk, TLC, Backstreet and NSync, the list goes on and on...

I volunteer to be Katebot AND Steviebot.

R38 people name check her because she proved you didn’t need a good voice or song writing ability to get radio hits and make dumb people like you stans.

R40, agreed. Britney, Pink, Beyonce, Rihanna, etc. have also name dropped Madonna at times so it's not like Madonna doesn't have influence. Not to mention, in the 80s, TONS of artists were created by record companies in the same mold as Madonna and they all failed.

R37, you're right, I should have included Prince in that comment.

Janet is more influential than Madonna? Fuck off. From which planet? Read and comprehend R33 than we talk.

She’s nobody outside of US. And in US and the world call madonna queen of Pop for a reason. Her influence is massive and unmatched by any artists. Only Michael can rival her on that aspect.

Jan fans are so thick and idiotic. Well blacks generally are not bright so it shouldn’t come as a surprise

Stevie Nicks is more influential than Madge or Janet.

R42, why did you assume Janet fans are all black? Keep your prejudices to yourself, dear...

Madonna can't touch this!

R42, your statement was great until you added the part about black people. Madonna is sooo much more important to music as a whole. In terms of solo artists, only Elvis and Michael Jackson are as iconic as she is (and I say this as someone who wants ISIS to hack her instagram account and destroy it in the process). And really, those people going on and on and on about how Rhythm Nation was such a brilliant concept album. How??? The issues on the album are basically shallow things beauty pageant types get from the local news. It's not like Janet proved that she was an international affairs reporter with the album! I like the album but lets not pretend her album is more significant than it is. The best songs on the album are the non-issue related tracks.

R42 keep my name out of your fat grubby fingers racist cunt

Happily FFd the racist, HAGdonna-pressed faggot at R42. And newsflash, dear, not all of Janet’s fans are black.

hahaha. It's pressed about someone making a "racist" comment but then it uses a gay slur. Classic Jabba.

The R&R Hall is a joke. Janet should definitely be admitted.

Can she fill the venue for the induction would be my question. Are tickets free?

I know that there is a Janet Jackson fanatic on these boards but I don’t even know where to begin in terms of correcting the history referenced here. I always assumed the Janet Jackson fan was older but the history stated is so off here that I’m going to guess he is under 30

R50, what the fuck are you talking about? She doesn't give away free tickets.

No, R51, it just has a pathological need to lie.

Fuck yes. Janet is more influential than Madonna, and to hell with anyone who thinks otherwise. In every decade since she became a superstar, there have been gobs of artists who have shown and told how much she’s influenced them. In the ‘80s, after CONTROL hit, every record company wanted to create the next dance-pop diva of color (i.e. the next Janet), which is why we got a rapid succession of solo albums from Jody Watley, Pebbles, Nia Peeples, Vanessa Williams, Paula Abdul, Karyn White, etc. Hell, after Janet performed in videos and onstage wearing that headset mic, everyone from Madonna to Bobby Brown was seen sporting one onstage.

And then the ‘90s came, and artists like TLC and Salt N Pepa had tomboy-to-sex siren transformations similar to Janet’s legendary 1993 coming-into-her-womanhood transformation, a period which begat what is arguably THE most famous and mimicked photo of a female pop star of all with Janet’s 1993 Rolling Stone cover.

In the new millennium, a veritable A to Z list of young artists, male and female, patterned their images and careers after the blueprint that JANET helped to create. Rock artists have given her props and wanted to work with her (Tommy Lee, Lemmy Kilmister), as have pop, R&B and hip hop artists at home and abroad, a testament to the reason she remains the only artist to ever be nominated in the diverse Grammy categories of Rock, Pop, R&B, Dance and Hip Hop. She was the first artist to do so many things in the industry that I would be here forever naming them, suffice it to say some of them being: Janet was the first woman to have five consecutive #1 albums on the Billboard 200, the first woman to have a single debut in the Hot 100 top 10, and the only artist with seven Top 5 singles from one album, the first woman to sweep an awards show, the only singer/actor whose first three films topped the US box office...

As for the dolt upthread who dared question RHYTHM NATION’s current relevancy, get a fucking clue. All one has to do is listen to songs like “The Knowledge” and “Livin’ in a World (They Didn’t Make)” to realize that the album’s subject matter (suicide, illiteracy, racism, mass public shootings) are more relevant today than they were when the album was released. She is a perennial icon whose hit song “Nasty” incited a feminist movement in the last presidential election without her even having a hand in it. And for the other noob who insists that Janet never made an impact outside of the US—YouTube and Google are your friends, but I’m mighty afraid you’d be disappointed that your frivolous little theory would be debunked in a heartbeat. Janet has sold out arenas and stadiums on 6 of the 7 continents. She has Russian fan clubs, a big following in The Netherlands, a strong German fanbase, a large following in Africa, South America and Australia, a HUGE Asian following, and a big following in the UK. So get a clue. Read an article. Watch any one of the myriad of YT videos showing just how strong Janet’s following is overseas. And think sink into the knowledge that you’ve been irrefutably, undoubtedly proven wrong.

I'm sorry but who is this? I've never heard of her.

Hey OP— The first five sentences of paragraph two Are all incorrect. The idea that she might not have been inducted because of the Super Bowl performance is an opinion so I guess you get away with sentence number six But everything that came before that in the paragraph is factually wrong

Its talking to itself again.

Hasn't the time for her to be inducted kind of passed? Others of her generation were inducted at least a decade ago. Why didn't she and her team push for an induction at that time?

Welcome to planet Earth R55.

R49 it’s janbot what do you expect

R59 I looked her up... so she's a minor 1990s music act? Kinda like the poor man's Toni Braxton?

^You looked up Monica?

R54, I'm sure she does have fan clubs in other countries--so what? I'm sure Toni Braxton still has fan clubs in other countries todays. That doesn't mean shit. The sales of Madonna's best selling albums and singles SLAUGHTER that of Janet's. It's a fact. Globally, Janet has never been much of a seller. In terms of global popularity, she never was in the same league as Madonna, Whitney, Celine and Mariah. Anyone who says otherwise is just dishonest and going off their "feelings".

OP-Are you HIGH?

Was she the first to bankrupt a state fair? Add that to her accomplishments. Oh, and first spoke person for Baja Fresh.

Who’s the turd with the Toni Braxton fetish?

........

OP - The way that you string together facts, opinions, carefully sliced statistics, and incredibly loose connections to pop culture history Is impressive.

She probably belongs in the Hall of Fame because why not? She is one of the top selling female artists ever and had a wildly impressive career. The music was good too.

There’s nothing wrong with being a super fan. But I think what happens is you wildly overstate her historical importance and you overestimate her impact on pop-culture/music business and then you end up getting a lot of pushback on these boards. By constantly asserting that she is somehow the number one anything you end up inspiring a lot of disagreement instead of appreciation for all of her great music and career accomplishments.

If you say she was the first person to ever wear a head microphone, I’ll believe you but Madonna didn’t wear one because Janet did, she wore one because it was a new available technology. And it’s not like Janet invented the microphone in the lab somewhere. And it’s cool that her first three movies were number one at the US box office, but I’m pretty sure the nutty Professor 2 Would have Been a blockbuster without her. Again, Your asserting a lot of stuff that is completely irrelevant.

TLDR: If you just stopped arguing that she was the number one female artist of her time, you probably would inspire more conversations that appreciate her career and musical contributions

Not to be the Katebot R68, but it is pretty well documented that Kate Bush's use of a headset microphone during her Tour of Life was considered groundbreaking. Her sound guy created the prototype using a wire hanger.

Again, not trying to bash Janet as I love some of her music, and I liked her on Fame when I was in junior high.

I think OP is having a little fun spoofing JanBot, because this thread is even more ridiculous than the nonsense JanBot usually posts.

to compare her and madge in same breath is bozo....

she more in toni braxtons category....couple of hits. done.

WTF WITH HER FACE?????

Good god she is dumb as fuk

seen her bein interviewed?????

Elvis was a very good singer, and if you like that type, good-looking, too. Madonna, totally uninteresting and a product of the 1980s, shittiest decade ever (1970s being the darkest).

[quote]Before Janet, there was no such thing as a woman in control of her career.

I think Dolly Parton has had control of her career for a long time. And with her always wearing costumes that emphasized her cleavage, I don't think she worried too much about her sexuality.

I think Carole King has had control of her career. Probably Joni Mitchell as well. Surely, Bette Midler. Nobody pushes Aretha Franklin around.

[quote]Nobody pushes Aretha Franklin around.

You sure about that?

Jane Jacket will never be forgotten.

Two words can describe the success of Janet Jackson: Nepotism & Lip-syncing.

Janet Jackson should not be in the RRHOF before Kate Bush.

Out on the wiley, windy moors with you, OP!

And then he said to her, "She should be in there." And then she said, "You tell such lies." Well, who's to say who gets through? Who's to say who lives or dies? No,no, no, no, no, he says. Walk on, baby. Just keep walking. Oooh, Rhiannon. She does two things . . .lip-synch and dance. . oooh.. .Janet. . ..

Princess of Pork Rinds...

Well Janet Jackson will make it before long forgotten George Michael. Hell Taylor, Janet, Rihanna and Beyoncé will get in before George Michael and I'll beat my savings on that.

And Rihanna and Beyonce will get in before Janet!!!

How can the students get in before the teacher? FALSE!

To compare Toni Braxton to Janet is ludicrous and obvious troll bait. Toni is lovely and has cultivated a wonderful and long career as an R&B songstress, but Janet Jackson is a pop icon. She’s been nominated for an Oscar, starred in #1 movies, has a fan base that transcends race, culture and age, has had timeless styles, photos, songs and music videos over a 40 plus year career, has dabbled in just about every form of media. There IS no comparison. They are friends, however.

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[quote]To compare Toni Braxton to Janet is ludicrous

Yes, Toni can sing.

[quote]To compare Toni Braxton to Janet is ludicrous

Agreed. Toni sings original songs...not just new lyrics laid on top of older, popular songs by Joni Mitchell, The Supremes, Sly & The Family Stone, James Brown, Carly Simon, America, Glow....

[R87] And yet we did this and were inducted into The Songwriters Hall of Fame . Before Prince and George Michael the committee chose us, so there's hope for Janet.

Janet is an icon. Toni is a very successful R&B singer. There’s a difference.

[quote]How can the students get in before the teacher? FALSE!

Easy, when they don't play State Fairs, let alone bankrupt them. When they aren't forced to degrade themselves for $9.99/ticket. When they actually sell records and have an International following....

Is that the end? Edit!

they should elect her array of plastic surgeons who she keeps on call 24/7

R91 elect them for what? Malpractice?

Janbot's too busy hitting the Vaseline.

Janet is def an icon and shouldn’t be compared to Toni. Toni can sing, so do millions out there. Toni is nowhere near Janet’s level and it’s a fact. You can say the same when Janet is compared against Madonna. She’s nobody when the queen of pop is around.

[quote]She’s nobody when the queen of pop is around.

You’re right.

Bey and Hov look on in admiration...

Check out Toni Basil at R96!

Mutha walking to the stage tonight to collect her award...

[quote]Check out Toni Basil at [R96]!

Naw sweetie, that’s the cover of Janet’s Together Again single—one of the biggest selling international singles of all time.

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R77 you forgot sucking off Terry Lewis and Jimmy Jam.

You won't get Janet elected by dragging other performers. Elvis was a gifted singer in a variety of genres. Madonna doesn't have the greatest voice, but it's still her voice (not stunt singers) and she's helping write her songs, working with the photographers and videographers she chooses, and helping choreograph her act. Janet is a flimsy act with that whisper-coo voice and those cheerleader dance moves that Paula Abdul taught her. I won't bother arguing, since you live inside your own fantasy world. BTW, I don't hate Janet, not one tiny bit. I just don't think she's special.

BTW, We always here how weak Madonna's voice. It really isn't, but the key in which she sings makes it difficult for her to achieve much power. Try listening to 'Rescue Me', and see how strong her voice can be. And yes, that's her voice, not a double.

R104, Hear not here. Oh Dear.

Make way for the Queen

Funny you mention Madonna’s cultural appropriation, OP. There was a woman on my FB page the other day taking about how Madge (as she called her) stole vogueing from the black underground balls and pageants and never gave credit. Heck, Jody Watley was vogueing and whacking in videos before Madonna was.

Raven Symone is a Janet stan. She was beside herself and nervous backstage at the awards tonight.

I call Janet's music, "Experiment IV" because it's the sound that can kill someone from a distance.

she would never be elected cause she is just the sister of someone bigger anda a real talent,....and gaga is not a real gay icon. she is just a fraud

I think Elvis actually had some natural musicality there. Madonna is a product of the times. She had a knack for picking the right songs and selling it to the masses. And she sold sex dam well. She might not be a natural vocalist but her pop songs had infectious melodies.

Oh do fuck off, OP. Your stupidity is embarrassing.

I think Janet is talented in a way and was highly influential for today's pop/R&B singers but come on if she was not MJ's sister would we have ever heard of whispercoo?

Madge kissed two women on cable tv. Whispercoo flashed her tittie during the superbowl on primetime television. Hardly the same comparison. And are you saying lesbianism is the same as public nudity.

No one will ever forget Jane Jacket!

We all know Madonna is a bitch who wasn't gifted with a great voice: she's the first to admit it. But she can command an audience and deliver a song.

R116, exactly. When Madonna isn't nervous, she actually sounds good live. Can Janet even sing live without lip syncing? I say that as someone who likes her (bu thinks she will always be second to Madonna).

Ms. Jackson doesn't sing. She whispers. Please get it right. and she might grunt if she's nasty.

R10, Prince is in the RRHOF

To be honest, Donna Summers really deserves the credit for crafting the sexy female personna that today's popstars emulate. Madge just happen to come out at the right time, with the explosion of music videos.

R!20, I'm not sure about that. Donna Summer hated her sexy image and eventually became "born again". Madonna, on the other hand, embraced the sexual image, and ran with it. She marketed herself that way. Unlike Donna who was more put into the role due to "love to love you baby".

Cobain is in the 50s? Stupid list.

[quote]Can Janet even sing live without lip syncing?

Uh, yeah. And VERY well.

Oh, yeah. She's live and on point. Yeah. Shes a regular Patti Lupone.

Oh, yeah. She's live and on point. Yeah. Shes a regular Patti Lupone.

JANET GURL U NEED RETIRE

U OLD

R116 can she still sing, though?

Another day, another award...

R128, she looks like a clown in your picture.

Another day, another award? Is it Chinese singer of the year?

You should the full page ad Baja Fresh took out for that R128. I'm sure their check had nothing to do with it all. *eye roll*

Janet deserves a Lifetime BMI award...

OP, please watch today's Jeopardy. They have a category of 'artists not yet in the hall of fame' (but should've been per their writers). I agree with them .