The Scotty Bowers trailer finally lands

Trailer link below.

They have dragged that ghastly Stephen Frey into it. What would he know about what happened?

Scotty was cute (when young) with his natural teeth.

^ *scepticism*

He is interesting but at the same time I don't believe him 100%.

Gotta laugh about all those trolls who posted when the book came out that no 'star' would have touched him with a stick. As the photos show, he was smoking hot.

Scotty needs to get rid of that frizzy, white poodle cut. It's kind of awful. But good looking back in the day.

Scotty as a soldier during the second World War.

Scotty will be 95 this July 1st.

Born in Ottawa, Canada.

Scotty resembles Lon Mc Allister (who was another counter-jumper?)

Hmmm, looks interesting.

Blasphemy! Burn this heretic at the stake!

Read the book and juicy as it was, it was so poorly written that it just missed being annoying. His many "needless to say" phrases beginning far too many sentences were especially tiresome. If it is needless to say, then don't fucking say it. Believable where Katharine Hepburn is concerned, not so much with Spencer Tracy, although the Spencer Tracy-Katharine Hepburn "romance" was definitely something made up by the studios they worked for to dispel any rumors about homosexuality on either of their parts. Scotty Bowers was definitely fuckable back in the day.

God, he was so hot in WWII soldier uniform. I would have paid for a taste.

I think you meant Ottawa, Illinois, r8--check his Wikipedia entry.

R12 That sounds like the Tab Hunter movie.

Tab is a gorgeous but dumb Christian. His memoirs were obviously ghost-written and the movie version snipped every one of his statements into half-sentences.

Something interesting from Bowers' Wiki page:

[quote] .... cinematographer Néstor Almendros bequeathed him his Oscar.

From Néstor Almendros wiki:

[quote] In 1979, Almendros won the Academy Award for Best Cinematography for Days of Heaven. Almendros received Academy Award nominations for his work on Kramer vs Kramer (1979), The Blue Lagoon (1980) and Sophie's Choice (1982).

Also

[quote] In 1992, Néstor Almendros died of AIDS-related lymphoma in New York City at the age of 61.

Did not know that about Almendros.

Scotty was a bartender at Almendros’ favorite place.

I know this may not sound politically correct, but I do wonder if there are, say, themed parties and events where you dress up and join a party at an underground gay themed speakeasy or a private and secretive Hollywood pool party of that era?

Scotty have a BIG COCK?

Yes, r18.

I don't know of any "dress up" parties. That's melodramatic and people didn't wear costumes to speakeasies.

But all gay bars were like that for hundreds of years before the 1970s, and many, like Stonewall, were run by the mob.

Scotty Bowers was alleged to have run underground and pool parties.

The pool parties of George Cukor, James Whale, Henry Wilson and porn precursor Bib Mizer were also legendary.

You might want to check out books about "agent to the gay stars" Henry Wilson:

Or this movie about George Cukor's and James Whales' pool parties:

Or this movie:

Or this movie:

R23 That picture would make me follow him to Jesus.

Kenneth Anger is an openly gay, experimental filmmaker who lived and worked in the Hollywood underground back then.

He also wrote a famously scandalous book about the underbelly — but only a couple of stories were about the closet queens.

The damn fools who made the trailer didn't bother to announce the release date and venues for this movie.

BUT APPARENTLY it opens July 27. Presumably limited theaters in NY/LA.

R25 Anger's dead, surely.

BLESS U MAN FOR SPILLIN THE BEANS ON ALL THEM ASSHOLE ACTORS

THEY IZ LIKE US

DEY LOVES A GOOD FRESH HO PIECE OF ASS LIKE ANYONE.

VIVA LA HO

Nope. Kenneth Anger's still alive and touring.

Kenneth Anger is still alive, 91, still working and teaching in LA (at least he was a few years ago)

I was always sceptical about the total veracity of the book but the continued endorsements as well as the further corroborating evidence in the documentary does indeed make it look legit. This story deserves to be as BIG as Scotty’s peen

Has there ever been a woman who said she was set up with Hepburn? It just doesn’t sound like a thing a lesbian would do...to have causal encounters with 150 women? Now a gay/bi man making up some stories about Hepburn...that I believe. Hepburn could have been gay, sure. I just wonder about that story.

OK the trailer. What about the feature?

So is this on any streaming service? Us folks in the boondocks need to know.

SCOTTY SPEAKS THE TRUTH

TRUST ME, HANNAH

Ooh boy, someone famous from LaSalle County. I wonder if Ottawa will put up a statue in Lincoln Douglas Park?

The idiot should have charged for his services. Can you imagine how rich he would be?

He already is rich. He was bequested two other homes. But money was obviously never his driving thing. Maybe that's why he is so happy.

I haven’t read the book and I doubt I’ll get to see the doc unless it goes up on pirate bay, but would love to see a comprehensive list of those he outs. Anyone?

Walter Pidgeon in the first chapter...which was a bit of a shock.

What would Roddy say? I want to read his diary!

Circles straddle...

[quote] He is interesting but at the same time I don't believe him 100%.

Of course you don't. Everything must be embellished, in the way all art is based on exaggeration, in order to be fun.

I think there must be some truth to it...it won't all be lies. I have no doubt Hepburn was a lesbian who possibly paid for the services of hot women. Think of the times, even in Hollywood you couldn't risk having full blown gay affairs. Knowing how secretive and careful Hepburn was regarding her image maybe she felt it safer to have paid encounters. Still a risk, but if they wanted her services again they kept their mouths shut. A lot of hookers male and female are very tight lipped about any famous clients. Most of them don't blab to the press as they want continued custom.

The only surprise is Walter Pidgeon which comes at the beginning. The rest you know and it does read as pretty trashy.

I don't know why but I was expecting better.

One none sexual surprise. Rita Hayworth being a cold unfeeling woman towards her brother. 'What did he ever do for me?' when he was in dire straights. But then we don't know if she had reason to feel that way.

With Hepburn always remember her persona was carefully constructed. She even admitted as much many times. She gave the impression of being anice uptight New England schoolmarm type......but who knows? Also it is feasible that the numbers may be exagrated but it still could be true.

With all the stuff coming out about Hollywood now, it would not surprise me if much of it were true at all.

What was the story about Walter Pidgeon?

Thanks for posting that Q&A, r31. I, too, am now much more inclined to believe Bowers, given a few exaggerations here and there. And, by the way, the director -- Matt Tyrnauer -- is very sexy. I love his voice.

Walter picked up Scotty at his gas station. Liked to suck guys off.

Everybody knows about Laughton but Scotty's story about him is one of the most disgusting things I have ever read. I wish he had seen fit not to write it. I can't remove it from my brain.

Trailer. But what about the feature?

[quote]The idiot should have charged for his services. Can you imagine how rich he would be?

I suspect he did charge, but he lawyer told him not to admit it in writing, as it's a crime.

[quote]Everybody knows about Laughton but Scotty's story about him is one of the most disgusting things I have ever read. I wish he had seen fit not to write it. I can't remove it from my brain.

Masturbating as a type . . .

Cue the poo

In one of Beaton's diaries he talks about paying Scotty and Bowers charging him less than he thought he should have.

What Bowers writes about Cecil in this book is not at all flattering. I assume during his year in Hollywood doing MFL he availed himself of Scotty's services frequently.

r7 Scotty was a Marine, not a soldier. There is a big difference - just ask any Marine.

Hepburn was too much a "snawb" to ever talk to 150 lesbians, much less fuck them.

R37, Clients went out of their way to always buy gas when he was working. Then they constantly hired him as a bartender so that he averaged 2 parties a night. I'm sure he was given a lot of presents and tips along the way as well.

Was Walter Pidgeon gay or bi?

Well, he never sucked MY cock, r58.

R50 First the poster, then the trailer, and then the movie.

If you wanted success as an actor you married whether you were gay or bi.

And it hasn't changed much.

R32, Women of that era never publicly admitted 1) that they were lesbian or bisexual and 2) that they were paid for sex. On top of that willing young women knew that they were being paid to keep quiet, or else.

Nothing, absolutely noting Bowers has claimed can be substantiated. Nothing.

One of his more laughable claims (aside from ones like him and the Duke and Duchess of Windsor engaging in threesomes) is that during the popularity of the film Deep Thoat he arranged for Linda Lovelace to give instruction on deep throating at parties. Yeah, right! If anybody gave Linda Lovelace instructions on anything it was Chuck Traynor, her lord and master during that time. In her memoir she makes no mention of Bowers, no doubt because she never met him and never heard of him.

According to Queerty, it opens the end of July in LA and early August in NYC. Strange that it's going first to theaters.

It already debuted in Toronto.

Who are the two bimbos in the photo at R65? Obviously nobody famous.

Scotty is coming!

many old timers back him up, one hundred per cent!

Scotty is described in some of these clips and articles as a gay rights pioneer who helped pave the way for the rest of us.

While I'm glad that he has always been an out gay man, I find it hard to believe that a Hollywood pimp who fabricated at least half his stories is a great beacon of gay rights.

Puffing, r69

"many old timers back him up, one hundred per cent!"

Who are they? And why should anybody believe them?

[quote]While I'm glad that he has always been an out gay man

He wasn't an out gay man. At most, bisexual and probably more gay for pay than anything.

I’m generally skeptical - but I do believe most of what he says. Gore Vidal backed him up before he died. I think it’s the way Hollywood worked for decades - deeply closeted but very sexually active.

But all those Hollywood stars went to the same parties. Why would they need some low rate gas station attendant to hook them up? Couldn't they just work it out amongst themselves? If you're Katharine Hepburn, why bother with Scotty Bowers when you can go to Agnes Moorehead and say, "Aggie, if you know any willing girls, send them my way, would ya?"

Discretion R74 . Which is how he became such a successful pimp.

R63, Raymond Burr's life partner confirmed the stuff he wrote about Burr. That said, some of the other stuff he wrote sounds far-fetched.

I've not read his book. What sounded far-fetched in it?

The Mann book did mention one of Hepburn’s playthings.

"Gore Vidal backed him up before he died."

Not really. He said something along the lines of "I've never known Scotty to lie" but that's a very slippery statement. HE might not have had Bowers lie to him (and I'm not sure if even that is the case) but that doesn't mean that Bowers doesn't lie.

"Discretion [R74] . Which is how he became such a successful pimp."

I think his success as a "pimp" is highly exaggerated. And I don't believe for a minute that he procured lesbian sex for Katherine Hepburn. She wouldn't have thought the lowly gas station attendant good enough to spit on, much less have him procure for her.

Oh, please. KH wss a sexual being as well. Why wouldn't she want to hook up with some pretty UCLA student for a while?

If Katherine Hepburn wanted lesbian sex she sure as hell wouldn't need any help from Scotty Bowers getting it.

[quote]Why wouldn't she want to hook up with some pretty UCLA student for a while?

What would be KH's assurance that the UCLA student wouldn't tell the tabloids? This is what I don't understand. How did Scotty guarantee the silence of the people he provided?

You have to look at the climate of the time towards gay people R83. Someone claiming they had a gay encounter/relationship with a celebrity would hurt them as much as it would the celebrity.

Anyone with half a brain who read the book would know that it was full of bullshit. He obviously had a minor role as Hollywood whore and pimp but so many things are embellished as to render the whole thing bogus.

[quote] HE might not have had Bowers lie to him (and I'm not sure if even that is the case) but that doesn't mean that Bowers doesn't lie.

Just what do you expect him to say? So and so whom I don't know very well does not lie?

[quote] Not really.

For fucks sake. He PROCURED for Vidal.

R87 All the more fun! This book and film are musts they sound like. Just the kind of thing I like!

Truth, half-truth or fabricated, the pics of Franklin Pangborn, and Virginia Cherrill between Randolph Scott and Cary Grant are enough for me to want to see this.

R63. You're wrong.

""Scotty doesn't lie about anything," Allemand says. "He's a poor kid from a farm in Illinois, and when he got here, his two assets were his big penis and charming personality. That's what he used to feed his family."

Three comments:

1) I agree that Scotty surely got a lot of tips, gifts and yes, flat-out payments from his clients for his services, but as pointed out above, that would legally amount to prostitution or -- worse -- pimping, and would be illegal. So the official line is that he wasn't paid.

2) Although most of Scotty's stories will never be substantiated at this late date, and many may be exaggerated or imaginary (the man is ancient, after all, and this happened 60+ years ago), I believe that far more of it is true than many people might think

3) A tangential corroboration: I remember reading another book ages ago -- long before Scotty started talking, I'm thinking in the '90s or early '00s -- that was talking about Golden Age Hollywood shenanigans and, as an aside, it mentioned "A gas station where everyone went because it wasn't really a gas station" (or something like that). So that would have been Scotty, although I didn't know it at the time.

R91 Any pic of his dick? There must be some around.

R90. you're an idiot. Bowers is a liar. You think he had threesomes with the Duke and Duchess of Windsor? Procured muffs for Katherine Hepburn to dive in a hundred and fifty times? Arranged for Linda Lovelace to give instruction on deepthroating at parties? You really believe that shit? God, some people are so stupid they'll believe anything.

This is from a review of Bower's book:

Scotty Bowers’s memoir, Full Service, begins with two authors’ notes. The first, from 88-year-old Bowers himself, reads: “This manuscript is based on my memory and, to the very best of my ability, reflects actual incidents and personalities as I recall them.” The second note, from Bowers’s co-author, Lionel Friedberg, explains that the only thing he added to these recollections were factual details regarding various film productions. The jacket features, above the title and inside the flap, the Gore Vidal stamp of veracity. This is true stuff, says everyone with a stake in it who isn’t already the executor of Cary Grant’s estate. Every sucky-fucky moment actually happened. Unless it didn’t. And since almost everybody except Bowers is gone now, who am I to question him?

Bowers arrived in Los Angeles at the age of twenty-three, shortly after World War II. He claims to have become sexually active at a young age. According to him, servicing adult men in his small town caused him no psychic distress. On the contrary, he was ready and willing. He began pumping gas at a Hollywood service station, but it was only a matter of moments before he also began a side career as a prostitute, arranger of naked liaisons to the stars and secret proprietor of a makeshift brothel in a large trailer parked behind the station.

The purported spark to this clandestine wildfire was named Walter Pidgeon, Academy Award-nominated actor for Mrs. Miniver (1942) and Madame Curie (1943). Pidgeon drove up for some gasoline, propositioned Bowers, gave him some money when it was all over and that was that, the pump boy’s entrepreneurial light-bulb moment. Thanks to Pidgeon’s connections to the entertainment industry’s A-list, the station quickly became a kind of clubhouse/whorehouse, employing all of Bowers’s horniest, neediest, most open-minded pals, both male and female. They serviced, en masse, all manner of Hollywood hot shots, names both above and below the title, with Bowers using his legendary penis to satisfy more of the rich and famous than anyone could count, himself included. The way he tells it, the scene was a non-stop, barely contained bacchanal. Orgies of every stripe, down-low gangbangs arranged in a wink, you name it. Right out in the open. Vice squad eluded. Everybody getting all the hot monkey sex any human being could want or even contemplate handling. Then everyone got up at five o’clock in the morning to make their call time.

Sound impossible? No. It’s a big world, anything’s possible. But implausible? Hell yes.

[quote]think he had threesomes with the Duke and Duchess of Windsor?

That’s the most contentious claim in the book. Detractors point to the fact the Duke was called David in private by his intimates. Yet Bowers calls him Eddy or something. I think that’s a ridiculous argument: Bowers wasn’t a friend: he was a mere passing stud who was happy to call people anything he liked. And Charlie here has shared his stories about how cock hungry the Duke was.

For some reason whenever I see a photo of Scotty Bowers his face reminds me of Diedrich Bader's.

Can't wait.

It’s called BDF R97

Charlie has stories about the Duke and Duchess of Windsor?! I must have missed those! I would love to hear them though.

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Have these naked pics of Bowers been discussed yet? NSFW. Also includes a woman.

Bowers sometimes put up with discomfort to keep other people happy. “Spencer Tracy would chew on [me]. That hurt sometimes, but I didn’t mind.”

Despite a string of movie roles opposite his real-life love interest Katharine Hepburn, Tracy was as uninterested in women as Hepburn was in men, according to Bowers.

“Hepburn was very butch,” he remembered. “Over the course of 49 years, I fixed her up with 150 women. But that was not unusual. I fixed up Cole Porter with 150 men in three months. He’d tell me to bring 15 guys at a time, [administer oral sex] to all of them in less than an hour, and say, ‘Too bad we didn’t have more.’ ”

Has anyone seen this yet?

R103 is why you know this is bullshit.

R102, pity, it wants me to sign up to see. Not going to be a member of that nest of adders.

Where has it played so far?

I'll try it this way R106

Ne had to retreat to the hills.

I think he’s incredibly hot

Thanks for posting that pic, r108 And

He's a funny old whore.

He's now bitching at TCM for ignoring him. Tiresome man.

I'm 65 and I've known about Scotty and his gas station etc for decades. In fact I knew (he's dead- murdered by "trick") a guy who knew Scotty and more or less modeled his life on Scotty's- only he got into procuring drugs as well as hot dates etc. It's all true and Scotty (never met him) was beloved by his "clients" and all the people he worked for. And he has never told what he knows about the still living. He did a lot more than procure- I did not want to believe the Hepburn stories, but they have been repeated elsewhere and I know that Tracy was gay- her late career tale of their "romance" was utter bullshit to cover her image as she did all her life. That said- she did have affairs with a few men, I imagine she was bisexual although I sure get the impression sex with women was her first choice. I still like and admire her for pulling it all off and doing things her way- if not dishonestly.

Scotty took an elfin face, tight little body, and a fat juicy cock a very long way.

But not all the way he claims.

Scotty claims he had a threesome with Ava Gardner and Lana Turner at Sinatra's house???????????????

I find that hard to believe. Where was Frank at the time?

#TooMendaciousforTCM.

I don't think most of these claims are that far fetched. It's just that people don't want to believe their favourite stars were up to this kind of behaviour. I respect Hepburn all the more for paying for escorts. It was very wise in those days not to go looking for playmates in the workplace. I feel more sorry that in those days these people had to be so closeted to survive. I certainly don't blame them.

I saw this at Outfest a couple weeks ago. It was very good. After hearing the Q&A, Scotty has an impressive memory. I was very skeptical, as the producer claimed to be as well. However, he said that as he did his fact checking times and dates matched up with Scotty's memories and his timelines.

[quote]his two assets were his big penis and charming personality. That's what he used to feed his family

Guess who's coming to dinner!

R116- Ava and Lana were two of the most highly sexed actresses ever in Hollywood. It's entirely likely.

I love one thing Scotty said (more or less) in particular: sex is one thing that makes all people happy and I was glad to be able to help out. I think his attitude about sex was ahead of its time and healthy. He also never blackmailed anyone (which was a cottage industry up until the early 90s) or used his proximity to Hollywood power to get himself into the business. He just did his thing and did it well. And he appears to be a man contented with his long and eventful life. Good for him!

"I did not want to believe the Hepburn stories, but they have been repeated elsewhere and I know that Tracy was gay."

Spencer Tracy was not gay. In fact, he was a lady's man. Women found him very attractive not because of his looks (he was plain) but because he was down to earth and easy to be with and an amazing actor. He had affairs with Ingrid Bergman and Loretta Young, among other. Even in his old age, women were drawn to him. On the set of "It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World" Edie Adams and Dorothy Provine were the co-stars he spent time with, not the male actors. So I seriously doubt that Tracy "chewed on" Scotty Bower's shrimpdick. Even if Tracy were into men he wouldn't have gone for a dumb cluck like Bowers.

"And he appears to be a man contented with his long and eventful."

I don't think he's "contented" with his "long and eventful life." If he were contented he wouldn't be so desperate for fame and notoriety. And I don't think his life was very "eventful." He seems to have created a lot of fantasies to spice up what was probably a big nothing of a life. He comes across as quite desperate and pathetic.

LOL at Scotty's delusions about appearing on TCM.

Ben: "Tonight on TCM we're presenting "Mrs. Miniver", starring Walter Pidgeon, who presented hole to our special guest, Scotty Bowers."

"I don't think most of these claims are that far fetched. It's just that people don't want to believe their favourite stars were up to this kind of behaviour."

Oh, come on. His stories are being outlandish. If you believe him, he fucked everybody in Hollywood and procured gay sex for everybody in Hollywood. The lowly gas station attendant even fucked British royalty You believe all that? If so, then you will believe anything anybody says about anything. And that's crazy.

He seems like a raging narcissist that had sex with whoever and whatever in order to fulfil his own ego like most 'bisexual' men. They always seem to be so gay, but with massive chip on their shoulder or an ego the size of jupiter. He discussed how Kinsey researched on him and his escapades, but I wish psychologists would study bisexuals like him also. Thats where I think the actual distinction lies in my (humble) and non scientific opinion. Most bisexual men ARE gay or straight, its the psychological factors that are influenced by the environment that push men to act a certain way. that includes men who I think are just straight who dabble in gay sex also.

On topic; this will include elements of truth with embellishments and straight up lies. People will be willing to look over the inaccuracies if they believe other parts to be true. It gives the veneer of respectability. I mean first of all he says his wife didnt know any of this before he started the doco....I mean you can make several conclusions in several different ways on that alone.

r108

his partner took it all in one bite.

impressive.

every word is true

his gas station was a blast !

R129:

Tell me more, tell me more

Like did you do him in your car?

Hollywood has always been fucked up. Most actors are gay. Most will never come out. It was a lot worse for a gay actor in the 40s.

Sure everyone exaggerates, but I have no problem believing that almost all of this is true. Look at everything we’ve found out about the me too movement in just a couple of years that no one would have believed if it were not for social media today. I live in LA and have for over 30 years and the underbelly here is quite dark. Everything Scotty writes about sounds like Disneyland compared to the shit that goes down here now.

Just saw Beefcake on YouTube. Not great but a lot of full frontal.

R122- Spencer Tracy was a closeted gay man and alcoholic (probably because of it.) He and his wife were Roman Catholic and he never would divorce her. He lived separately from his wife on George Cukor's estate in his guest house, where Hepburn often stayed as well when in LA. This fact has been common knowledge in Hollywood since the 1930s! Hepburn and Tracy were close friends, never lovers. Her friends did back flips when she claimed they were late in life AFTER Tracy had died!

Scotty has been around forever. He only published his book when the players lives and careers were over- so as not to hurt their careers. But now he is telling the truth. I suppose some of you cannot understand how such a man could also have a wife and family. Somehow an apparently bisexual man has to be really gay, or something wrong with him especially if he is also providing sex (and lots of other services) to a very closed and wealthy community. Is sex something dirty and wrong? He did not seem to think so- neither did his clients. He is not seeking attention at 90 something- if he was interested in that he would have acted on it decades ago. He is having fun telling the truth. I believe in doing so he may pop the moral balloons of some blowhards.

What you see on this thread form some posters clutching their pearls and revealing their fear of sex, more or less, is the reason so much of Hollywood stays closeted- I think it's a funny story (I certainly don't think less of any of the players) and rather apparent that sex is as natural and necessary as breathing and eating. It will not be stopped and it has very little to do with the ability of people to otherwise live their lives. It has always been so, and always will be.

PS, R123- he has made it into his 90s and appears to be enjoying himself. Suggests a man at peace with himself for a long time.

"You doubters can just smell my breath."

"Sure everyone exaggerates, but I have no problem believing that almost all of this is true."

Why don't you have any problem "believing that almost all of this is true?" He has no proof, none whatsoever, to back up his claims. You just have to take it on faith. You have faith in a an obscure gas station attendant who claims he fucked everybody and procured sex for everybody in Hollywood? That's not very bright.

"He only published his book when the players lives and careers were over- so as not to hurt their careers."

HAHAHAHAH! What horse shit! He waited until ALL of them were dead before putting out his nasty book because you can say anything about dead people. Now if they were ALIVE, they can sue you. But if they're dead you can tell lies about them and get away with it.

And not believing Bowers has nothing to due with "fear of sex." You're a moron, Charlie.

Just saw the movie. Never read the book. Had never heard of him either.

I do think he told a lie or two here and there but I believe he’s an honest person overall.

Mean people don’t live that long. And this guy still has a youthfulness to him.

I believe him. I remember 30 years ago, a LOT of people would not believe Rock Hudson was gay. Hollywood image making and PR is powerful. You have no idea who celebrities REALY are - even now with TMZ, IPhones, social media. In the day of controlled studio press, stars lives were total myth. Why you wouldn’t believe Tracy was gay is strange. A marriage in 1950s America was like a job - you just got one because that’s what you had to do. As the filmmaker said, nothing he said can be disproven - even if it can’t be proven. And putting pieces together, everything he claims is totally believable. If you live in LA, you know Hollywood has some of the most sexually deviant people on the planet - and it’s all served to them on a silver platter with no repercussions - until recently.

In r108's picture, who is that giving him a blowjob?

I refuse to die because I don't want that little weenie named Scotty Bowers to tell lies about me. Vivien Leigh and I only bumped boobies once and it was quite by accident.

The idiots on here yelling, "Why didn't these gays/lesbians just pick up people at the studio/public?" don't seem to get...

YOU DIDN'T DO THAT IN THE PRE-STONEWALL WORLD!!!!

There was no "hey, that grip looks pretty sexy! I think I'll put the moves on him!"

And, why the fuck are people shocked over Hepburn being a dyke?

She pinged from space.

Or, the nasty Windsors being kinky. That was the basis for their fucked up relationship.

Really, the Loons on here clutching their pearls need to get a grip.

[quote] The idiots on here yelling, "Why didn't these gays/lesbians just pick up people at the studio/public?" don't seem to get...

Oh yes, we're big Hollywood stars, but rather than do our sex within the confines of the studio that could protect us from scandal, we'll go to the outside world and let some no-name gas station attendant have enough ammunition to end our careers.

Scotty Bowers is a BLASPHEMER! BURN HIM AT THE STAKE! HERETIC!

"Has there ever been a woman who said she was set up with Hepburn?"

The late David Ehrenstein claimed here that some women RAN from Hepburn once they understood her motives, such as actress Joy Bang.

What's the party where Bowers claimed to have set up Rita Hayworth with willing college age working girls?

party = part

Who the hell was Joy Bang, r145?

O.K. I looked at her paltry Wiki page. How in the world did this nobody have any connection to Hepburn, r145?

Saw the documentary. Long on scenes of the aged Bowers driving around LA and chatting with his aged wife, plus shots of his homes, where he is a hoarder. Short on interesting content. Not worth the time invested.

Oh yes, he had a daughter who died from a botched abortion in her early 20s, his only child. But he can't even muster up a tear for her. He's a jerk.

I read the book and feel it is fairly accurate .for whatever reason I think a chunk of people have difficulty imagining how repressed the times were in the late 40s 50 s and into the 60 s. I dont think Rock Hudson ever had a problem procurring bedmates but your average actor or actress had to be ultra discrete and up until recently Scotty was certainly discrete. Also with the kind of looks and other things he apparently possesed I would think he would have been wildly popular, which he was. Also Katherine Hepburn as a lesbian is not a stretch to me at all. Dont confuse an on screen persona with the real off screen person. Everbody has a sex life.

They really should re-title that movie "Liar Liar Pants on Fire". I don't believe 110% of his fables.

[quote]I read the book and feel it is fairly accurate .for whatever reason I think a chunk of people have difficulty imagining how repressed the times were in the late 40s 50 s and into the 60 s.

I don't have a problem believing that Hollywood stars had someone procure sex partners for them. I just have trouble believing it was a gas station attendant.

[quote]Now if they were ALIVE, they can sue you.

Just because they sue you doesn’t mean it’s a lie.

And just because they can't sue, doesn't mean it's true.

I totally believe him. He book was enough. No reason to make a movie. Dishy dirt is meant to be written. Hence Datalounge.

Some of you have such narrow and unrealistic views of the lives of major celebrities. You seem to think they all live some magical lives, never want for a thing, never have any problems. and if they want sex they just walk out and someone will throw themselves at them. Sorry, but there is not one movie star or celebrity who ever existed who lives the fairy tale lives their publicity likes to make the gullible public think they live. Money and fame do not take care of all of life's problems. Believe it or not movie stars go to the grocery store, they go to gas stations to fill up their tanks, and they frequent places and associate with people most fans would be shocked to hear about, because the publicists don't put that part of their lives out for public consumption. Anyone who thinks just because Katherine Hepburn was a top level star and had more money than God that she would never have had someone like Scotty Bowers procure girls for her, well you're just being ridiculous. Just because some movie star seems to be completely confident on camera certainly does not mean they're that way in private. That's why they're movie stars. They know how to act.

Where are all the ancient whores who could corroborate his tales?

The Cole Porter one, though, that I’ll just accept as truth.

Read the book first, and dismissed it as being about 25% accurate and 75% make believe. After I saw the documentary, I revised that to about 60% accurate and 40% make believe. First of all, people he introduced to stars and later lived with them are still alive and were willing to go on camera and be interviewed. They had pictures, etc, of their paramours. (We would call them rent boys, or in some cases kept boys - they're now in their 70s and 80s). Then he went into one of his storage unit (he is a big-time hoarder, just as bad as what you see on those TV programs), and discovered a treasure trove of pictures of himself at this gas station, as a waiter/bartender at these parties, and being hugged by star after star of the 40's and 50's. That's when I realized that a lot of what he wrote had to be true. Think about it: would a major star hug a random hired bartender at a party? No, absolutely not. And they were ALL doing it. So he had to have done them favors in the past. He clearly was not a drug dealer.....so that leaves sex dealer..

A lot of people who can't believe actors would go to a third party to have sex seem to have conveniently forgotten about Heidi Fleiss and that Mayflower Madam person. Charlie Sheen, Johnny Depp and George Lucas were customers of Heidi back in the 90s. Charlie and Johnny could have had their pick of women (and men) at the time.

If all of this shit is true, I wonder if J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI had any files on any of these alleged encounters with the stars? And wasn't the FBI always sniffing around Hollywood back in those days?

It just makes me think of Hollywood confidential and how things work back then. Everyone was sneaking around doing there dirt back in those days. I haven't seen the film yet. So I really don't know what to believe at the moment.

But then again, this is Hollywood where talking about and that's a crazy place in its self.

awesome book

awesome movie

what a hero....bless u man

Gore Vidal - in his last public appearance - went to support and verify that Scotty Bowers was telling the truth. I believe 100%. Remember when sex and gayness in particular was that clamped down, it still had to happen so it was ALL behind the scenes and conspiratorial. Which, when combined with celebrity entitlement, morphed into indulgence of every variation of peculiarity. Think what the 70s gay sex world was like - it was just happening a few years earlier for those who had access to everything.

Unless Gore Vidal lived and spent every waking moment with Bowers, there's no way he could honestly claim that Bowers tales were "100% true."

I don't doubt that Hepburn was a lesbian but I am skeptical that such a beautiful. intelligent and PRIVATE woman couldn't have found sex and/or companionship without risking a wonky relationship with a gas station pimp.

The studios employed hundreds of gay women and men, not only in the daily rosters of minor actors and chorus boys/girls, but in the production/literary offices, wardrobe and prop departments, etc. Those studios were like mini-cities and probably at least 1/3 of the employees there were gay.

But then who would they talk to, hang out with and have as friends to back them up, r164?

Queers had to stick together in the Olden Days more than we have to now. Hepburn needed an entire, sympathetic support community and other beards and merkins to share property with -- that all had to be studio-approved.

But in the old days, stars were extremely careful about their reputation. Their public image was everything and one whiff of scandal could damage their careers. That's why I question Bowers. If they wanted some fun, wouldn't they have had their agent or manager procure? Because the agent was a lot more interested in protecting their careers than Scotty Bowers.

That's exactly what I'm saying, r165.

Hepburn would have found plenty of lesbian kinship (friends and lovers) within the two studios where she was long-employed: RKO in the 1930s and MGM in the 1940s. Or possibly those relationships lead to sexual relationships outside the studio.

I can easily see costume designer Irene Sharaff hooking Hepburn up with some pretty little seamstress. She didn't need Scotty.

R160 Bowers said “I went to bed with J. Edgar Hoover. He was in drag, and was not a great beauty, but I treated him like he was a girl.” If you can believe it.

The documentary comes out on DVD/Blu-ray on November 13th.

By the time I was 10 in the 1950s, I was having crushes on other neighborhood boys. In time I realized I had to keep this "thing" a secret. As I matured I had to develop 2 personas, straight and gay, and had to become a good actor to pull it off. Many people found these acting skills saleable and went to Hollywood. They quickly became pros at playing the two roles. From my own experience, I find Bower's stories mostly credible, when I look back at my own life of deceiving straights and sending the right signals to potential tricks to score, there's nothing outrageous here. It's simple dividing and conquering both sides and keeping your stories straight.

R162, Vidal suffered from Wernicke–Korsakoff syndrome. Symptoms include memory deficits and confabulation.

I'm sure Scotty fucked RFK, JFK, Joseph Sr., and Arthur Miller in the same night, saving young Teddy for the dawn's early light. Yawn.

No, r167, it's unwise to shit where you eat, professionally.

And you couldn't just proposition or strike up gay subject matter back in the '30s, '40s and '50s — ESPECIALLY at work where you risk your livelihood, you're always under public scrutiny and you've signed morals clauses.

Hepburn benefitted greatly from Bowers. Even openly gay AND straight celebrities today complain of being unable to find suitable friends and lovers. They want somebody who's a PEER, or vetted and they don't have the time to spend searching for and vetting people. Gays and lesbians could go to a trusted, third-party in Bowers with the news that they're gay and he could safely introduce them to others in the same boat OUTSIDE of work. Rich and famous people have always relied on procurers -- and Bowers specialized in gay ones.

Hepburn absolutely benefitted from Bowers.

Nobody "needs" anyone in particular.

R168 Really?!? If this is true I’m out. Fun speculation while it lasted tho

[quote]YOU DIDN'T DO THAT IN THE PRE-STONEWALL WORLD!!!!

Some of us did! And got in trouble for it!!

The Scotty Bowers threads always bring out the enraged elder fans who lose their minds at the idea of Kate Hepburn minge munching.

I mean, look at her....she pings as "dyke" from space.

And, again, queer life pre-Stonewall wasn't ANYTHING like queer life after. You didn't run around and pick up people where you worked....even at a movie studio.

And, Hepburn asking Irene Sharaff to find her some pussy is a thousand times more ludicrous than the idea of her using an actual professional pimp.

Wasn't Irene Sharaff the one who gave spectacular head to Hedy Lamarr, as related in Hedy's autobiography., "Ecstasy and Me"? Hedy later said she didn't write the book and disavowed it, but that story always had the ring of truth.

"Oh yes, he had a daughter who died from a botched abortion in her early 20s, his only child. But he can't even muster up a tear for her. He's a jerk."

He discussed her in the book. It's been awhile since I read it, but he admitted tremendous guilt on how her life turned out. He also seemed very careful to make that aspect of his life as private as possible. So yeah, he might have been a jerk, but he at least seems self-aware and I don't think he was as cold and dismissive as that comment makes him seem.

What's all this lesbian stuff...

I am certain that some of his stories are at least true. Ifor he did know those stars, and there is photographic evidence he did, then some of it must be based in fact. Hepburn was always alluding to the fact that her public persona was a fabrication. Not hard for me to believe she went with call girls at all. Her crafted image was of a prickly, sexless New England school marm but maybe there was more to her ?

I love that his true stories are blowing the lid off all the Hollywood bullshit.

who will play bowers in the next movie?

jake g, leo, toby or walter brennan.

The name Scotty Bowers triggers dl nearly as much as CDAN and Dawn Porter or what that name is.

Scotty is a damn saint.

thanks man for all the funz hookups u gave our gay icons in closet....and for spilliin da beans...

lobbying for ur star on h blvd....

I think most men and women are gay in the filmindustry also models male or female in the fashionindustry or singers male and female

Lana Turner was known to invite MGM studio crewmen into her trailer for sex if she spotted someone on the set she liked. so the idea of hooking up at work is not so far fetched.

R184 It’s conceivable that a much higher proportion in these professions could be gay as compared to the general population, but to say its the majority is wishful thinking nonsense at odds with the evidence

Of course, the Turner stories are not far-fetched.

Nor are any stories of co-workers at the studios hooking up, including lesbians and gays. Those studios weren't nunneries, r173.

And the early photos of the particularly mannish Hepburn (which can still be seen in that famous MGM anniversary photo from the mid-1940s) only prove that she wasn't hiding her lesbianism back then. She put herself out there for the taking and didn't need Scotty to arrange anything.

I keep forgetting that it is in the genetic makeup of many gays to automatically disbelieve everything we hear, especially if it involves celebrities. I think it's the old superiority thing. "I don't believe it because I'm smarter than those who do".

One of the few things I genuinely dislike about DL, r188, is the preponderance of ESL Queens.

"Dietrich Bader"

R97, Bader looks a lot like the young Kenneth Anger.

What an idiotic comment R185.

R176, I think mostly our elders have been saying "Yeah, that's the way things were back in those days." I believe the fierce denials are coming from a younger crowd. I suspect that, even as repressed as the times were, once you found a discreet connection, hooking up could be done somewhat safely since you didn't have to worry that someone was going to snap a shot of you with their phone and post it on Facebook. Even if you actually saw or experienced something with a big star, who's going to believe a nobody? I mean Raymond Burr took a soldier boy to the Oscars and it wasn't any sort of scandal.

Agree R192

I have no doubt that Scotty Bowers was a hustler and a pimp, even if he claims not to have accepted any fees for his procurement services. I also believe he knew his fair share of Hollywood stars and had sex with some of them and arranged dates for others. But I think his influence and reach has been wildly exaggerated for the sake of the book and the documentary. Upon examination of both, it is clearly evident that he is nothing more than what he states: a gas station attendant, bartender and prostitute. There's no intelligence, introspection or self-knowledge above very basic levels. He was merely something to be used, and may certainly have been friendly with a lot of his contacts, but for him to claim familiarity with the range of people he's name dropped is dubious.

R178, On the day his daughter died , he went back to "work". That's pretty cold.

This thread is the best evidence ever that most people only believe what they want to believe, what fits into their narrow way of thinking, what makes them the most comfortable, and not what the facts or the preponderance of evidence shows.

One of the things I think that is overlooked is how actually small various creative fields were in in 1920's to the 1970's, almost village-like. A friend of mine was an aspiring artist in New York in the mid-1950's to the 1970's, and although he didn't achieve much reputation (due to being a trust fund kid who didn't have to work hard), he knew or was casual acquaintances with artists who are very famous today. I have a postcard sent to him in 1957 from Robert Motherwell complimenting him on his exhibition of collages. He also had a brief affair with Ellsworth Kelly.

R195 It's called "denial". Everybody mourns differently. Some people do it by putting it off to a time when they're emotionally ready, (which sometimes is never).

"...blowing the lid off...Hollywood..."

Rather, blowing the id off Hollywood.

R198, I heard on NPR a few years ago that a study, I think of 9/11 survivors, showed that denial was the best coping mechanism for grief. I'm not sure how that would work though.

You put off the pain of loss until you feel emotionally equipped to deal with it.

Love Scotty. He's the only whore who's been honest about what went on in Hollywood.

R199, you slay me.

Except R194, it's all true and vastly more names than the ones he mentioned in the docu. As I have shared long ago on this thread- none of this is new information to some of us. I first heard about Scotty in the late 70s.

Whatever makes you happy...

Although this thread illuminates the divisiveness that is the DL, I have seen no one dispute that Scotty has a big fucking dick.

R202 I agree with you. It really doesn't tarnish these celebrities for me to hear these things. They are human beings with the same desires as everybody else. Scotty was someone they trusted and could go to.

It just demonstrates that even the biggest stars are really no different than anyone else when they're not working. Well, except the few mental cases who never get out of character no matter where they are. I've always thought those people must hate their real selves so much it's easier for them to pretend to be someone else 24/7.

How do we know Scotty has a big one? Has there ever been a photo posted of it? I know one thing, he was as cute as can be in his younger years. Adorable smile.

Well, from the looks of what he's hauling around today I guess I stand corrected.

Image from Scotty's archives.

R209, look up thread at R108.

Not sure if MGM stars had trailers on the set. Mommie Dearest showed Joan with one but that film got a lot of facts wrong. But the MGM big female stars did have their own apartments on the lot. Assume the big men stars did too.

R204, where is the evidence that "all" he says is true? Some people are pretty gullible. I tend to believe he met some stars but probably exaggerated the number of people he knew for attention

Why do people always insist that evidence that they already know is almost certainly unavailable be presented to prove gossip?

Did Scotty do porn or did he just like having his sexual encounters photographed?

In the documentary, Scotty does get teary eyed when talking about his daughter who died from an abortion.

Big titted nubile Lana Turner picking up men at the studio is hetero, thus it's ok. It's "normal".

Big dicked daddy Walter Pidgeon hitting on grips to come up to his house and worship his tubesteak isn't the same thing. It would not be acceptable behavior.

r218, you're assuming all the grips were straight, which is your first mistake. Not to mention the best boys.

Well, actually, they probably were. Or, any that weren't would have been very discreet in 1941.

The only departments where you might be a tad overt about your queerness would be in the Set Decorator's department and Wardrobe. But, if you think it would have been like a big ole gay bar atmosphere, you're fooling yourself.

The reason why we might be shocked by reading names of outed stars is because they were extremely discreet. Walter Pidgeon and Spencer Tracy were ON THE DOWN LOW for a reason. No one is casting known queers as sage father figures.

We knew about a handful that weren't quite as discreet...Cary and Randy playing house at the beach, or Cukor's all boy parties, or Laughton and Clifton Webb LOOKING/ACTING more overtly queer. But, they were the exception, and not the rule. (And, in the case of Cary and Randy, they quickly stopped presenting themselves as such and married women....in the case of Cary, he married MANY women to distance himself from those "gay old days").

R220, Spencer wasn't gay

Even though mores have changed over the past 50 years, I think the same advice still applies. Whether you are straight, bi, or gay, it's best not to fish off the company dock. Perhaps there were other procurers like Bowers who helped draw the curtains between work and private life, but didn't search out the notoriety like him. He may have known them and some of his stories actually came from them. The tight community of actors and actresses had a lot to protect in those days, first being their careers. Bowers and others helped protect the industry.

It's best not to have a relationship with someone you work with blow up and you have to face them every day. Plus the fact that everyone else you work with knows about it, too. There are probably a few stories that Bowers missed as well. Actors, it appears, had/have above-normal sex hormones.

Also, the studios actively intervened to protect their assets by covering up for stars who were caught in compromising circumstances in public, preventing their names appearing in police blotters and news reports. It would make sense that studios would also discourage their employees, both in front of and behind the cameras, from fraternizing with each other, for the same reason. Using a discreet go-between like Scotty makes sense.

R221

And, you know this because.....?

BLESS U SCOTTY FOR SPILLIN A BEANS...

UR A DAMN SAINT.

Bill Taylor? Were you there back then?

I saw the documentary and Scotty did not shed a tear about his daughter, but he did for his brother, who died on Iwo Jima.

Scotty's daughter died decades ago, so I doubt he's still handling his "grief" by being in denial about it.

The doc also showed a brief clip of a stag movie he did, so there was some porn in his past.

Being a pimp and a hustler hardly makes Scotty a saint, or even an admirable person. He fulfilled a need and was paid for it. People also expected him to keep his mouth shut, not write a tell-all years later. Even if most of the people he mentions are already dead, they probably still have survivors and they obviously didn't intend for him to tell their secrets at any point. So basically, he sold them out for money. Once a whore, always a whore.

When Scotty had sex with men, did he just let them suck him or did he take it up the ass?

I imagine the people who used Scotty for hookups were probably embarrassed to go out and find someone on their own most times. Celebrities have to be very careful as they never know if the person they're trying to hook up with is going to be a nut case or someone who'll run off and tell the world who they just fucked. With Scotty's people they had a lot of confidence their secrets would be kept secret.

Maybe the reason he was used instead of an agent or Hollywood insider is EXACTLY because what the non-believers here are saying. He was a nobody, who would believe a gas station attendant, there are no pictures with him. Plus he proved himself discreet and wasnt a drug addict - he had no use for leverage. Seemed to do it out of true love for sex rather than control and power. Made him successful at his job and trusted. I believe him - and I’m a natural skeptic and cynic.

how do I line up a pvt with the hung mr bowers?

Read the book and saw the movie.

What R194 said. Scotty was a simple minded, shallow guy with a very tiny moral compass. Perfect for Hollywood and his role there.

Hepburn and the Windsors were too snobbish to be hanging out with a gas station attendant. He doesn't know anything about these people that would prove he ever met them - no insider info or anything that couldn't be gleaned from reading bios

So is he actually gay/bi or was he just a gay for pay whore?

Anyone who has that amount of male/male sex is at least bi.

Scotty was a trusted bartender for gay BH parties where he saw it all and helped stars hook up with discreet others. He wasn't always a gas station boy.

Gas station boy = bartender, in the scheme of things.

[quote] Hepburn and the Windsors were too snobbish to be hanging out with a gas station attendant.

Another one who knows absolutely nothing about how celebrities live and only believes what he sees on TV and in movies.

^ Another one who's never read a book except, perhaps, for Scotty's and stupidly believes every word he struggled to comprehend.

OP, thanks for starting this entertaining concatenation of bitchiness!

R233, in reality you don’t know much of the private lives of the Windsors or Hepburn, either...

R238, he has no insider info or anything to prove he knew them. You are the gullible one.

Scotty’s mentioned in Cecil Beaton’s diaries.

No, his scottie is mentioned.

And the film is on the long list for Oscar nominated documentaries!

So he's finally in the movies and not just in movie stars.

The movie has leaked online and I saw it. There's a pretty graphic scene of him jerking off (though his dick is blurred) and blowing someone. I thought it was an interesting movie. But there is some very unsettling stuff in it. He admits to getting diddled by his neighbor (although he doesn't believe he was abused) and by acting as a preteen hustler for priests in the area who he says would pay him with quarters from the collection plate.

He also admitted to having had sex with an animal at one point. He very much gave the impression of someone who was abused as a child and dealt with that psychologically by becoming ultra promiscuous.

Where R247? I haven't seen it in any of the usual places

as I said on the other thread fore I saw this one: I highly recommend the movie and book.

what a fun guy

in a time when u could go to jail or the nut house for being queer, he hooked guys up with guys, and was beloved by all. the movie is awesome.

damn near ev body was bi back then.

SCOTTY SHOULD BE ON MOUNT RUSHMORE!

THE MAN IS A LEGEND.

I also saw the movie. What a cool dude. And unashamed of his role in connecting the stars with a good lay.

GIVE HIM A STAR ON H WOOD BLVD

I know someone who is the real deal Hollywood insider, and this person KNOWS A LOT. To begin with, she said she has a friend who knows Scotty very well ,and her friend said Scotty is a complete liar. She said she believed a very tiny bit was possibly true but not much. However, Scotty had a lot to say about some people that were still living in his book ,but he was advised by the publishers not to put them in the book. I asked about Gore Vidal standing by Scotty and she said Gore Vidal was a complete jerk! This person believed that when those movie stars wanted to have affairs, flings etc. they would choose each other as their partners because it was safe. She said they would never ever choose some guy at a gasoline station because they were very ,very scared of getting blackmailed. That was a high risk. Also, she thought the the story about Katherine Hepburn and 150 women was completely outrageous. Most of her time in her life she lived in Connecticut. BTW, This person who told me about this info on Scotty, worked in Hollywood with various celebrities ,and Hollywood is well known to be the mecca of homosexuality and bisexuality. So she didn't have some personal issue against gays in the least. She was very gay friendly.

I want to add, someone on this thread posted some pictures of Scotty being hugged by famous people, and the poster added the movie stars wouldn't act casually like that with just a waiter, bartender etc. That is not true. For example,the celebrities were familiar with regulars at places they would hang out such as night clubs, restaurants, or various parties which the same people they would see waiting on them. One man was a doorman at a hotel in Beverly Hills ,and he got to know many, many celebrities who were very nice to him. They got into conversations with him now and then. He wrote a book about what his experiences with movie stars. However, I am sure there were stuck up snobs who wouldn't bother speaking to various people who they considered beneath them .BTW, who knows if Scotty made up some BS stuff about himself when he spoke to the various movie stars he encountered . He might have been a con to gain their attention possibly he has done with the public through his book and documentary. Hustlers, porn stars, drug addicts, etc. can be major psychopathic liars, and they can be very street smart.

Also another thing I want to add, I have read many, many books on Hollywood over the years and many studios had brothels on their lots so these actors would not go to a brothel someone where these movie stars would put themselves in places where they would fall victim to gossip columnists or blackmailers. They also had a medical staff in the studios to treat movie stars who got sexual diseases . Someone online said their grandmother was a nurse in one of those studio hospitals ,and their grandmother said Joan Crawford would come in who had a major case of syphilis. Maybe that is why Joan Crawford adopted children.

ur full of bull

I knew scotty and he is the real McCoy

u must be a relative of old Charles laughton...or the duke and duchess of Windsor, or feisty kate, or one of thousands he pimped for.

u don't think lawyers at the publisher checked on this all to avoid lawsuits galore?

Regardless, r253, YOU type "u" instead of "you."

thank u our miss brooks...

Scotty is a gay ICON who will be revered for centurys…

WATCH THE MOVIE

I started to read the book when it came out and then wound up skimming through to the end. It's obvious to anyone with any intelligence or discernment that it was embellished way out of proportion to what happened in real life. Even the logistics of his activities as presented were ridiculous. Bowers was a prostitute, pimp and porn actor. You get a brief look at some of his film work in the documentary. To get a book published, he had to name names and big ones. The reason he waited so long was so that people he names would have died and thus been unable to sue him for slander.

The documentary itself is boring. Way too much of the shaggy-haired Scotty driving around town and at home with his wife, interspersed with stock footage of movie stars and location shots from the old days. He meets up with one of his former hustlers who's grateful to Scotty for giving him work. Heartwarming.

Scotty's followers try to present him as some sort of public servant for providing dicks and pussies to clients in an era when homosexuality was frowned upon. He was hardly a pioneer in that regard and since he was bisexual himself, it's hardly surprising he would be so "open-minded."

Scotty Bowers and CDAN sure trigger dl, and never really bringing good and often any arguments, where they are allegedly lying; Darwin Porter is also completely lying according to dl, but never any arguments and proofs that he is lying, he might be pretty fictional, Bowers and CDAN don't seem to.

Ok R258, show me proof that Scotty set up Cary Grant with Rock Hudson for $20.

R252 and 257, nice try. As I have posted earlier, I knew about Scotty in the late 70s and everything in the docu is accurate and true. Scotty only "came out" when the players were deceased. What is remarkable about it is that there is a helluva lot more. I knew someone who worked with Scotty- and I knew someone who got calls from Scotty in NYC to do very much the same for visiting "big shots". None of it with money being exchanged in NYC- just contacts. I believe Scotty at his word that he only charged for his services (to men and women) and did not take a cut from those he lined up. Much of his work after HIV took hold was bartending, yard work, gofer stuff. Grant, Tracy, Hudson (who I met in the tubs in the 70s) and others all known to me back then- and many more. I did not know about Hepburn. I wonder why people like R252 and 257 can't seem to handle the truth? I mean, is it "bad"? Is hooking up people for sex bad? Particularly in a time when if known, the act could end a career.

Hudson hit the tubs in the '70's? I thought gay stars avoided them like the plague.

Nope- I saw lots of celebs in the baths back in the day.

Who? And what did you and they do?

That's for me to know and not for you to find out!

My first partner, who had a horse dick, fucked Hudson many times at private parties. He told me that Hudson would come to the parties when in New York, hosted by mutual friends, would go to the bedroom, strip, and present himself ass up on the bed for all takers. My partner didn't really know Hudson well but said that he always requested that my enormously uncut fat cocked partner be invited.

I am an eldergay. This was many years ago. But my partner had no reason to lie. He was a much sought after top in the Village and the Pines back in the day. And he was versatile. I still miss George so much. We lost him during the first wave of the plague, like Hudson.

Wow! rock was lucky to just get AIDS.

R265 Fascinating story! And may you have many sweet memories.

Hepburn hardly needed to hire some gas jockey to get a dame to eat her bony snatch. All she needed to do was give Crawford a bottle of Vodka. After a couple tumblers of Smirnoff, if there was not a conscious male between the ages of 14 and 104, Lucille would be ears deep in whatever dame couldn't fight her off.

Like Monroe said after she got trapped in Lucille's trailer "What a hump!"

This would be typical of Scotty's philosophy:

"Sex should feel good, and if it does, then gosh darn-it by all means DO IT! Just don't let your wife find out (wink-wink)!"

'If your daughter dies at a young age and on the same day as the memorial service you've got a party to go to that night in Malibu, go to the frikkin' party! Life is meant to be celebrated, and besides, I'm not a mourning person (chuckles)!"

everyone says I loved the movie? What movie? There is a documentary out about Scotty s life. I watched it a couple of weeks ago. It was good but I think somewhat sad and depressing as well. Im a neat freak and the hoarding was hard for me to watch. He owns like 3 houses and there isnt a place to walk anywhere in any of them. Additionally he owns various storage units and has stuff stored in garages around town.........he is living in the past and its kind of a sad late life.

That being said I can see why he saved alot of things, as a lot of the photos had some very famous people in them. He was very very attractive with a good body. At one point there was a shot of him naked and his dick was nice but it didnt seem like it was anything all THAT out of the ordinary. Anyway I think he was just a nice entertaining guy, uncomplicated with no hidden agenda that knew everybody in hollywood for 70 years or so . He provided a valuable service at a time when you had to keep gay competely hidden. He could have gilded the lilly some but the basic narrative sounds accurate in my opinion.

R258, of course Porter is lying. If people were having as much tail as he claims, they'd still be around screwing, to reach Porter's numbers.

It's not the "truth" that people have a problem with in Bower's yarns, it's the obvious untruth. What's funny to me is that so many people are desperate to believe his bullshit. His book was obviously padded to make it more compelling and the documentary was a big snooze.

im an an attorney

the man was never sued, not once, they know he speaks truth

nuff said

He prob has the letters and photos and friends who were with the stars ( and women, kate) to back up his claims.

[quote] rock was lucky to just get AIDS.

I hope in time I'll be able to scrub this from memory.

I love the pearl clutchers: "THIS CAN'T POSSIBLY BE TRUE?!?!?!?"

Why not?

People are horny sex dogs into doing what it takes to get off...not sure why celebrities are exempt.

R273, are you the one who started the VIVA LA VULVA thread?

R273, Yeah cause everyone he names has been dead for years.

R273, you seem to be an attorney incapable of the basic rules of grammar. Not sure if your "legal" opinion counts for much.

No one is clutching pearls over people having sex. Intelligent people realize the words of a low rent hustler and pimp, who obviously embellished his scribblings, count for nothing. And that the indiscriminate acceptance of such by unsophisticated followers is pathetic.

Stars back in the day would have had their own paid, discreet gofers to solicit people for them sexually. They wouldn't be phoning up a man who worked at a gas station.

His book is quite interesting but probably heavily embellished, something like Darwin Porter.

As a long time resident of Malibu and recipient of many secrets and watcher of many scenes, im amused how hard it is for some to believe the stars used Scotty, believe me, he did all he says and more. I hope he does another book , the man has a shit load of info, Scotty is an honest man and has no reason to lie, Watch the movie and grok his vibes.

[quote] Stars back in the day would have had their own paid, discreet gofers to solicit people for them sexually. They wouldn't be phoning up a man who worked at a gas station.

Why is it so hard to believe that Scotty was [italic]the[/italic] gofer for many of them? History's full of Heidi Fleisses who've served as middlemen for their clients and friends. For some reason some people refuse to belive Bowers was one. Sounds like some fans are upset their heroes turned out to be gay. And comparing CDAN to Bowers is idiotic. CDAN is a right wing cunt rag possibly operated by Russia these days.

R281. Scotty is nothing like fat fuck Darwin Porter who writes fan fiction. Scotty is the real deal.

cause people are dumb

hell right.....Darwin is dumb and and $ greedy. (tho his books are fun as hell to read, gotta admit!

nuthin like scotty who is a g dam lovely man.

R 260 said the following : "(…)Grant, Tracy, Hudson (who I met in the tubs in the 70s) Really? Spencer Tracy died in 1968! Oh! you are the one who is the all knowing one?! Please! You are the one claiming my post states people have an issue hooking up. I never said that anyone had any issues with people hooking up. Your making up assumptions ,which are not reflected by any factor I have stated! I am telling you what a solid Hollywood insider told me if you don't believe me or if you don't want to believe me fine, I don't give a rat's ass. I am not writing a book. I was just contributing what a true Hollywood insider told me, and I thought I should shared it on this thread. So sorry I did. Furthermore I said she worked in Hollywood meaning, in the entertainment business and she was and is very gay friendly. She said, if someone is gay or bisexual, by all means that is a fact and that was who they were. In fact she told me about some movie stars who were bisexual ,and she had no problem with them being gay or bisexual. R260 it sounds like you are some gay guy who is used to hanging out with a bunch of fraus at Frauland Target. Scotty is like Darwin Porter ,and if you want to believe fiction, go for its your choice.

I want to point out Scotty had sex with animals, why is he considered a gay hero when people believe the usual sexual expression gay men love to have is bestiality? So that it is a plus? Just because he had sex with men at a time when it was considered taboo? Whatever.

god you sound like miss grumbly, cranky bitch from Archie

R287, Please tell me Scotty didn't have sex with Lassie, I couldn't take it. Now if you told me, he had sex with Rin Tin Tin, that I 'd believe. We all know how freaky them Germans are.

scotty liked strays, like me.

OP, is this the trailer where he had many of his trysts?

If Scotty were truly such an "amazing" person as pimp and prostitute to the stars, he wouldn't be cashing in on their fame now to sell his book. But he's never been anything more than a low-rent hustler, which is very evident in the book and documentary.

R287, does knowing guys Scotty worked with going back to 1978, and Rock Hudson, John Travolta, Timothy Dalton, and others count? How about my boss in NYC who used to get calls from Scotty about who was coming to town (NYC) and what he or she liked? My boss WAS a Hollywood insider and his brother the biggest publicist in NYC. The is sooo much more than the gas station, and what's in the docu and book. Sheesh.

R292 is bitter. Weirdly, oddly, bitter.

Is the documentary online yet anywhere or On Demand? I'd love to check it out as I was very dubious about the book but have heard the film might change my mind.

He has no letters, notes, or anything to back up his claims

Sure, Jan, err...r293

Depressing to see him as an old hoarder. And the documentary underwhelmed in the gossip department too

His wife died recently.

R293 spill or it definitely didn't happen.

Has he been sued for defamation by any stars or their familys?

nope.

bizarre some cant accept even the stars n royalty need pimps.

sex is good. k?

People don't tend to sue once they're dead. Surviving families don't have the legal grounds. Duh.

Once again, no one here has ever claimed that what Bowers claims he did is wrong, only that he has obviously exaggerated his importance.

It's sweet that some of you innocents are so eager to willfully believe everything you hear, but those with a touch more worldliness and intelligence can see through his embellishments.

Sophie Tucker, said that J Edgar Hoover who was a friend always complimented her on her dresses and asked to borrow them. This Doc was made years ago.

Families DO have the right to sue if they make claims that so called false statements impact negatively the income generating potential of the star's estate.

There are some star's estates that still generate significant income long after their deaths, but they are rare. The vast majority of the names mentioned in Bowers' book are mostly forgotten by people under 50 or 60 and are not generating income for family. It would be ridiculous for Walter Pigeon's grandkids to sue Bowers claiming material damages. Of course, anyone can sue anybody for anything, but the case would be thrown out of court.

There is also the burden of proof in claiming that statements are false or that they caused material damage. No one is going to get embroiled in that mess.

So claiming that Bowers has never been sued, but COULD BE sued, so he's obviously telling the truth, is just stupid.

Blah blah blah. Yes, but. Blah blah.

"Survivors or descendants of the dead have no legal claim on behalf of a deceased relative’s good name, nor can they collect on behalf of their own interests relative to that person’s reputation. Likewise, the estate of a deceased person cannot be liable for the defamation of the dead. Survivors, relatives or friends of the deceased may, however, have a cause of action if the defamation reflects on their own reputations and they have, in fact, been defamed by the statements."

I can so easily imagine a bitter old queen like Gore Vidal, who remained closeted throughout his long life, sticking up for Scotty's wild lies on his death bed, gleefully imagining he was screwing up the reputations of every Hollywood queer who ever turned him down.

I don't think Vidal was closeted but I scan certainly imagine him in the scenario you describe, r308. Being an asshole for the hell of it.

He said something to the effect of: there is nothing so painful as witnessing the successes of one's friends.

Matt Tyrnauer picks great subjects for his documentaries, but he is a boring film maker. In Scotty, he focuses too much on his hoarding. Ib 54, he didn't really capture the excitement of the place, but he did a great job exposing Ian Schrager's lisp.

Vidal may not have been closeted with his friends but he was certainly closeted to the American public.

I am a god dam attorney and the fact that he has not been sued is a big fuckiing deal.

Not only is he cool as hell, he is brave for comin forward with his tales. If you saw the movie, u know what an honest nice fella he is.

I think u can pay to see it on you tube, and on the bootleg sites for free.

Recall that Gloria Swanson sued Kenneth Anger for him saying in Hollywood Babylon that she started off on Mack Sennett's casting couch. She lost, but Anger's publisher would not pay his legal fees.

What a great film on the life of a true hero -- every word rings true to me. See it while Scotty still lives and you can say you knew him in a way for future generations will regard him as a saint. Scotty's life amounts to a cultural artifact as big as Stonewall in its own way. We're lucky the story was told. It might easily have slipped away.

r233 / r239 is a gullible, pompous idiot.

Scotty didn't see these people alone -- they were at regular parties he would throw in front of several, other witnesses.

And in recent years, they have corroborated Scotty's claims -- that the Windsors and Hepburn were at his parties.

What a rock-solid defense of incorruptible, classic actors, r252!

A studio allegedly had a brothel on set, therefore nobody could POSSIBLY visit an outside hooker! I'm sure the studio brass supported the homosexual whores that Hepburn and others needed, too!

Your sources are impeccable. An anonymous girl you won't name and "someone online's grandmother!" Much more credible than Scotty Bowers, who's gone on the record with several, other NAMED witnesses — including some actors in question who have come out of the closet and admitted it in recent years and left Scotty and the boys love letters.

Best doc of the year, What a fuckiing life he had, glad he names names....

I take my hat off to him! Unassailable reportage

I had an older, non-sexual, friend in Arizona back in the mid-90’s. At one point, he admitted to having been a contract player in Hollywood in the late 40’s, where he said he’d had an affair with John Hodiak for about six months. He also made references to George Montgomery.

When I asked him if he’d ever been to any of George Cukor’s Sunday afternoon gay pool parties, he said, “Never! Because by Monday morning everybody in town would have known you’d been there, and your career would be over.”

There’s a lot of information that I bet Scotty knows, but hasn’t said. Yet.

Your friend may as well have gone to Cukor's every Sunday R321 his career never took off anyway apparently.

So, is the film worth checking out?

[quote]people believe the usual sexual expression gay men love to have is bestiality?

You just outed yourself as a bigoted, right-wing troll, r287 / r233 / r239. If you're not some evangelical, Bible-thumping nut job or Alt-Right Neo Nazi, you're on Vladimir Putin's payroll to slander any and all liberals. You're fucking nuts if you want to pretend most people believe gays are also screwing animals. That's one of YOUR OWN nuggets.

You bust yourself as an utter twit to believe the Official State Propaganda that aristocrats are incapable of sin or associating with people you consider "lower" for sex, drugs, etc.

And if "YOUR" so discriminating, learn how to spell YOU'RE, Lord Sophisticated!

He will be an icon in the gay world for eternity, showing the legends of h wood to be made of flesh n blood like all of us...

R321 did he like Hodiak? Was this during the marriage to Anne Baxter? Hodiak had unmanageable high blood pressure, so was exempted from service during WW2. He died of a heart attack at only about 40.

r308 = another nut job.

On what planet did Gore Vidal "remain closeted throughout his long life?"

He was out his whole life -- way before Stonewall; way before any gay rights movement or legalization.

Hodiak did The Harvey Girls with Judy. Did she get a taste? He’s like a Grade C Gable in the movie but his cock is still worth sampling.

And those bitches had the nerve to refer to me in that bit of trash as "The Drunk."

Bless you scotty, u brought the idols of Hollywood down to our pevery level. kool. be well sir

Bump.

Wow I loved Scotty and the Secret History of Hollywood. The guy's story is jaw dropping. Scotty is a hero. No bullshit. He's still alive at 95 years old. That his story is being told is a kind of miracle.

Enjoyed it.

The skunks?

WTF?

Can you imagine being a part of all of it?

I had to take a shower after watching that doc. I grew bored with the repetitiveness of this skeevy pimp and turned it off about 3/4 of the way through.

Who coined the phrase: "He'd fuck a woodpile if there was a snake in it"? Very apropos here.

Liz Smith says in the documentary, right into the camera, that Hepburn and Tracy were never romantically together and that Hepburn’s public persona was a total act contrived by her. Apparently she and Liz were good friends. I see nothing wrong with putting it out there now that there’s no career to be “hurt” by any of it. And as Scotty says in the movie in terms of it hurting their families now - how can it “hurt” to be known as gay or lesbian or bi when in fact there is nothing wrong with it. It’s not like them being revealed as serial killers or child molesters. They were afraid to let the public know they were gay because of the times they lived in. They’re families need to get over it if they don’t like it.

Loved the movie, love Scotty, though the bloom was off the rose when I read Scotty's book afterwards and learned that Charles Laughton ate shit sandwiches. No way Scotty was a part of that since he tricked with Charles and set up many tricks for him as well.

No way Scotty WASN'T a part of that ...*

For what it is worth, Charles Laughton's shit eating was discussed in the original uncensored Hollywood Babylon.

R335 I read a brief story by a woman whose boyfriend worked with Katharine Hepburn a in TV movie in her later years. She stated that Hepburn was miserable to work with, had one actor fired, and referred to her as a "tough old lesbian".

So if Scotty thinks there's nothing wrong with being gay or bi, why wait until everyone is dead to out them? Oh right, he'd get sued.

On Starz and Starz On Demand now. Cool stories but I didn't like him and his wife died in October.

[quote]I want to point out Scotty had sex with animals, why is he considered a gay hero when people believe the usual sexual expression gay men love to have is bestiality?

He never says that. He makes a joke in the movie that he'll sleep with anyone and anything, man, woman, animals - but it's just a joke. There is no anecdote about him having sex with an animal in his book, and given how explicit the book is, if he had, it would be in there.

Who's had the director of this movie, Matt Tyrnauer? He's kind of hottish. He has produced/directed at least three films with major gay content, (including a documentary about Studio 54), and talks about all the gay history and gay life as an insider, but never says "as a gay man myself, ..."

I just saw the doc. I believe him and I think the filmmakers did a good job of backing up the stories. But it made me sad knowing he was abused as a kid (even if he didn’t think of it that way) and his hoarding. I think they’re related. But he was such a hottie in his day, it’s very believable.

I loved Scotty and the dirt in the film, but I could have done with a lot less of Scotty rummaging though his three junk-filled houses.

96 years old, a Depression-era kid, 3 years of ferocious Pacific Theater combat, and so lucid and emotionally balanced. The man's a wonder. Somebody better archive his genes.

The film implies that Scott still works as a hustler.

He seemed to be well loved. That in the end is the best measure of a lived life. And he was a fuck machine.

I've heard about those old "Bartender" stories in Confidential Magazine. Ava and Lana. Must have been Scotty. Wasn't there one where Joan Crawford was caught with a bartender. I wonder if that was Scotty too.

scotty deserves his own star on the boulevard....

dig up peddy Michael jacksons and replace it with scottys...

[quote]Who's had the director of this movie, Matt Tyrnauer? He's kind of hottish. He has produced/directed at least three films with major gay content, (including a documentary about Studio 54),

A&E just showed "Studio 54" and it's a lousy movie. D+

His "Citizen Jane" was pretty good.

People who automatically assume famous movie stars would have never associated with a lowly gas station attendant fail to realize that in the vast majority of cases these people grew up middle & even lower class before they got lucky and made it in Hollywood. As far as the others are concerned, if you think that those who were/are 'to the manor born' automatically consider themselves too good to associate with people far below their social standing to get what they want, well, bless your hearts.

If the recent revelations of billionaires repeatedly pulling up in their limousines to a strip mall sex den in a shitty part of town for quicky blow jobs and hand jobs from imprisoned Asian hookers hasn't forced you into reality, nothing will.

He outed Clint Eastwood and said Rock Hudson worked for him at the garage.

Also Bill Holden.

Gee.....

[quote] The film implies that Scott still works as a hustler.

He still works, as a bartender. He's still quite in demand in that regard.

R353, I don't have a problem with the idea that closeted celebrities would consort "with a lowly gas station attendant" as you put it, but all of them? I mean any major celebrity that was rumored to be bi, gay, or even straight, Bowers says he either had sex with them or set them up. I just don't buy it.

Well look at it this way. Back in those days the number of well known Hollywood stars who would have been on the game looking for some homo action would have been relatively small. The whole Hollywood acting community in those days wasn't all that large, especially the well known actors. I can certainly envision Scotty's name being quite well known among the community of big stars who had a predilection for some strange on the side, out of the spotlight. Granted I think if he claimed he had sex with "all of them" he's probably exaggerating to a degree, or more likely paraphrasing as to say he had action with a large number of them. He was a hot number with a well earned reputation for providing good action for the stars who wanted it, either from his contacts or from himself.

Movie stars are certainly not above consorting with the blue collar set. Liz Taylor and Larry Fortensky for example. She knew some hot trade dick when she saw it. Every big movie star is not married to another big star. There are plenty who are married to normal everyday people who get up and go to a 9-5 job every day. I've often heard it said the key to a bad Hollywood marriage is for an actor to marry another actor. The smart ones marry plumbers, construction workers, and office managers.

I love how he said Vivien Leigh was a screamer in the bedroom. Totally true. George Cukor used to hand out ear plugs to his overnight guests.

Scotty's in wheelchair now. He was at the forefront of the Gay movement, in his own way. Send him your love, DL :)

He admitted to committing every sexual perversion to Kinsey and sees nothing wrong with child molestation of bestiality. Gross

He said Tracy and Hepburn never so much as slept together one time lol makes you think truly how many big time marriages between A-List actors and actresses are merely business deals.

Scotty had a 3 some with Ava Garnder and Lana Turner? No way. Sinatra was scathingly jealous as a lover and would never have allowed this to happen never mind at his house no less.

I loved this documentary, but not really for the celeb gossip. I found his current life fascinating. The hoarding. The wife and her singing at the local clubs. The wife admitting up front she wouldn't have married him if she knew ahead of time what he has been into. The bartending scenes at the parties with all those botoxed old ladies. Love this stuff.

[quote]Scotty's in wheelchair now.

Sorry to hear that. He seemed amazingly spry in the movie.

When you hit a certain age things can go south healthwise literally overnight. Hell, from one hour to the next actually.

May the gods bless u scotty, u opened the flood gates of truth regarding ev body likes to hire whom they want to!

[quote]People who automatically assume famous movie stars would have never associated with a lowly gas station attendant fail to realize that in the vast majority of cases these people grew up middle & even lower class before they got lucky and made it in Hollywood.

Scotty should've franchised the whole gas station as brothel idea. Makes perfect sense. Fill 'er up and get a lube job at the same time. I wish there was one of these gas stations where I live.

where can you actually watch this docu?

Amazon Prime for $3.99 R369 or Starz if you're a subscriber.

Diedrich Bader will be playing him in the movie for sure.

Honestly, 3 women a year is not a lot. Although like many posters, I believe KH could get whoever she wanted, herself.

I believe it, R168.

Wait, is he the disgusting pervert guy who has a list of his every sexual encounter in the KINSEY movie?

Am I the only one who thought about why Leo Di Caprio was so adamant to play J Edgar Hoover when Scotty mentioned this? I always felt that was a huge tell in preference and style of clothing and dressing behind closed doors when Leo pushed for the role. That movie sucked, terrible writing.

He's a whore, Baby.

The wife died recently, yes?

R375, Yes, you are the only one, since the movie J. Edgar came out in 2011 and Bowers' book came out in 2012.

FRAU ALERT at R374.

Scotty's wife died this past August, I believe, R377.

Why is Scotty being referred to as a pervert now, did something come out?

How the Hell did this guy avoid AIDS?

Probably because he was and exclusive top. Or if he ever was a bottom he stopped before the AIDS epidemic started.

Was the legend of the Hepburn & Tracy romance a talked-about thing before Spencer Tracy died?

If so, why would he have gone along with it? He already had a loyal wife and 2 kids if he felt a need to prove his heterosexuality.

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bless u scotty where ever u are

who shall play u in the movie?

George Clooney or cody fern?

If there ever was a movie it would be a cheap low budget one that would play the gay festival circuits, get a week in NY & LA and then straight to DVD. No one in Hollywood would ever touch this.

I think I disagree, R387. Hollywood's never been more willing to eat its own than now.

Wonder if Scotty ever had him...

Blind Item:

Old Hollywood: It was just around the start of WWII. New York. He was young, just out of his teens -- tall, Scandinavian, striking. He met a slightly older man. VERY sophisticated, very witty, very romantic. Rather movie star handsome because, well, he actually was a movie star. A few years into his film career, he was typically the second romantic lead or the first villain. A versatile and pretty good actor. Distinctive. Artistic. Stylish. Despite the times, the star was very comfortable with his sexuality -- he preferred men but really liked women, too, and was married a number of times. Had several children. But, always loved men. Loved this young man. They ended up having a steamy fling which turned into a friendly on again/off again affair, lasting about six years. Whenever this older man was in town, or they could meet somewhere in the middle, they would dine, and walk, and talk. They had fun. The younger man learned a lot about the world, being in love, gaining confidence, manners, and a lot of good tips on simply getting through life in that era as a gay man, while still being authentic. He never lost his deep affection for this man, considering him a mentor. This younger man is now in his 90s. He clearly remembers this time in his life, and the gentleman as exactly that: a gentle man. A kind man. A sharply funny man. Of course, our actor is long gone but fondly remembered by his many fans as a true sophisticate, a man of good taste with a dash of campy good fun, who gave us some great movie moments. Perhaps it was sleight of hand, but he remains one person out of so many in Hollywood who managed to make it all work for him all those years, living his life on his terms, and to the end, having a whale of a good time. -- Gregory Peck

That description does not sound like Peck

Walter Pidgeon?

Vincent Price (whale = The Whales of August).

Gregory Peck's first film was released in 1944 - so it can't be him.

Walter Pidgeon's film career started in the mid 1920s and he only had one child - so it can't be him.

Vincent Price's film career started in 1938, he was in "Green Hell" directed by James Whale, he was in "The Whales of August", and he was campy as hell - so it is most likely him.

Peck volunteered to fight for the Spanish Republic. I wonder if being gay would have disqualified him from the Lincoln Brigade.