Angelina Jolie Could Lose Primary Custody of Kids If Brad Pitt Isn't Allowed Access: Report

What the New Ruling Means in the Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie Custody Case

The custody battle between Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie just heated up, with a judge ordering new restrictions for Jolie’s involvement in Pitt’s interaction with their six children.

According to court documents obtained by PEOPLE, Jolie could be in danger of losing primary custody of the children if she doesn’t take steps to improve their relationship with their father. A judge in the couple’s ongoing divorce case said in the documents that “it is critical that each of [the six] children have a healthy and strong relationship with their father and mother,” and that Jolie must allow Pitt to maintain and repair that.

Family law attorney David Glass, who is not associated with the case, tells PEOPLE that it “is extremely rare” to see a court intervene in this way, though they typically do so after extensive evaluation and to prevent children from being alienated from one parent.

“It looks like what this judge was weighing was the difference between estrangement and alienation,” says Glass, who has not had access to the court documents. “The difference there is, estrangement is when children aren’t connected to one of the parents, mainly because of something that parent did. So a hypothetical, if dad screams and yells at the kids and doesn’t treat them nicely, the kids stop wanting to see dad, that’s estrangement. An alienation refers to where children have been told by the other parent that the parent they’re not seeing is bad, or doesn’t like them, or doesn’t care about them. Just talking badly about the other parent and the kids start to internalize what the other parent is telling them. In alienation cases, kids will typically just repeat words that are beyond their years, or they will repeat reasons that they don’t possibly have access to the information.”

He adds: “It’s a rare case where the court will find that someone alienated the kids. It takes a lot to move the court past estrangement into alienation, but once it’s determined that one parent is alienating the kids, the court has no choice but to jump in and make pretty strong orders right away.”

The judge also outlined specific steps Jolie should take to aid Pitt’s access to and relationship with the children, including a detailed summer visitation schedule, and easy phone access between Pitt and each of the kids, without monitoring or interference from their mom. Glass says that the goal of the new guidelines is to “try to figure out what’s in the children’s best interest.”

“The schedule worked out by the court is the typical post-alienation reunification schedule,” he says. “You see them a couple hours a day and that starts leading to full days and eventually if things go well it leads to overnights, so you’re slowly acclimating the kids to the parent who’s been cut out of the kids lives.”

According to the court documents, the kids have to continue to see their therapist with Pitt, which Glass says is a positive step.

“That’s the first good news, that the kids are in therapy and that dad is somehow involved in the therapy. That’s where the kids can work out whatever issues they have. It’s that continuing contact with dad … all those little pieces that eventually lead to some sort of reunification with their dad.”

Reps for both Jolie, 43, and Pitt, 54, have not yet responded to a request for comment. Jolie filed for divorce from Pitt on September 19, 2016. The have six children: Maddox, 16, Pax, 14, Zahara, 13, Shiloh, 12, and 9-year old twins Vivienne and Knox.

I'd rather be raised by him and knocked around a little than deal with her mental abuse and emotional guilt

Brad and his attorneys are cagey MoFo's!

(The tortoise (BP) and the hare (AJ).)

Well played!

the vital battle over whose nanny will raise the kids

For a therapist to be required at all times with Pitt seems to suggest something went on there that requires the visits to be strongly monitored. It seems pretty intensive for just a transitional or reintroduction scenario. I think Jolie and Pitt deserve each other. These kids are going to be fucking messes when they grow up.

What I don't get is - what took Brad so long? They've been separated now for 18 months, and the courts are only now working to enable 're-unification' - ? Why wasn't this done a year ago?

Jolie's a controlling nut I have no doubt and has obviously now been formally called out for alienating the kids from Brad, but still believe he did something fairly bad or his alcoholism was so severe that Jolie got primary custody and he such limited visitation in the first place.

Agree r5 is seems like the monitored visitation still happening even after 18 months suggests bigger issues on Pitt's end than we've been allowed to know about. But this new ruling also show's Jolie's issues - it's basically ordering her to step back and stop interfering otherwise potentially lose primary custody. Pretty serious threat.

I hate that broad.

R5 and R6 and et al., see R3 -

Angelina had her breasts and her ovaries cut out. She's an extremist, period. Too bad that Brad got involved with her. Lady Dracula, always dressing in black.

Brad playing the long game, allowed her to choke on her own petard.

Would Brad really want full custody of 6 kids? I know much of this is a PR battle but come on.

This actually needs to be a lesson for all mens rights advocates. Keep going to court, keep documenting what the bippolar/borderline bitch is doing in a diary & video, Have those car cams on when you drive the kids around in them and ask them how is mommy treating you. Keep your cards close to your chest. Then BANG. Play the long game, not the short one. Parental Alienation Syndrome. YK how HARD that is to prove in court? Judges think women are angels, they’re not.

And I’m female btw.

would anyone, r12

she is a mean anorexic bitch

hope brad gets em…. he a fun daddi !

They both seem to be crappy parents.

Most definitely not, R14

the kids want away from her mia like control sooo bad.

watch em run to dad.

Do the kids ever get to see their grandparents?

Are Brad's parents still alive? Does he have siblings? Do the siblings have children? If so, those kids would be cousins to Brad's kids. Have they ever met?

Beware a spouse who isolates and separates you from those you love who you love. Abusive behavior.

Beware a spouse who always looks to the other partner for their own identity and personal meaning.

Bullshit all around, R13. Pitt lost custody of his kids and got very limited visitation for a reason to begin with. There was all kinds of speculation when they separated. He's fucked up, too, but I think his went into actual physical abuse in some way. I'm pretty sure that, too, was documented at the time. She's nuts but she's also acting like someone being very protective of her kids. I think something bad went down with Pitt. We'll know for sure when we see what the 16 year old, who was left to decide how much he wants to interact with Pitt, chooses to do. If we suddenly see him with Pitt a lot more, that's fine. If he chooses to have nothing to do with him, that will speak volumes.

[quote] it seems like the monitored visitation still happening even after 18 months suggests bigger issues on Pitt's end than we've been allowed to know about. But this new ruling also show's Jolie's issues - it's basically ordering her to step back and stop interfering otherwise potentially lose primary custody

She's actually been in London for over a month with the kids. I'd bet the kids have barely talked to him in all that time

And Brad deserves every fucking bit of this. He's always been a piece of shit, junkie. Then he went and married a fellow junkie, piece of shit. And to top that all off, Mr Bad Decision Brad had/bought/collected 6 kids with the lunatic wife. He had to be a pretty shitty dad to barely be able to see his kids. What ever happened at the airport that night had to have been severely, severely fucked up. And he is playing the long game. He has a large team of people (legal and public relations) helping him. He must have really fucked up. I can't wait until the crazy older son writes a book or gives and interview about Brad (with help from his even crazier mom)

Brad has a Hollywood image to protect. Just like how Tom Cruise supposedly pines to see his daughter more often.

Brad is probably closer to Johnny Depp territory than we would like to think.

not really r21, if Maddox is severely alienated from Brad he might not spend any time with him at all. But he's a teen so IMO that doesn't say much. If the other kids are happy to spend the time then ok.

r19 the kids used to see their Pitt grandparents and cousins plenty, when Pitt and Jolie were happy and things were good. One of Brad's siblings (brother or sister) actually adopted a pair of Ethiopian kids almost same age as his daughter Zahara, so she would be more comfortable in the family.

I actually agree with r22's post lol.

that's baloney r24. He looks much healthier and is far more pulled together than Depp.

When Pitt begins to run around in old tattered hats, millions of leather necklaces and scarves, covers himself in tats and fronts an oldies band with Alice Cooper, come speak with us.

[quote]But he's a teen so IMO that doesn't say much. If the other kids are happy to spend the time then ok.

But the other kids are being forced into the visitation by the court. They don't have a choice. And, I'd wager, we're never going to know that the psychologist thinks because they'll go back to living full-time with Jolie. Pitt doesn't want them. He just wants people to think he wants them.

[quote] hope brad gets em…. he a fun daddi !

Fun?

[quote] Do the kids ever get to see their grandparents?

Yeah but when their Uncle Ned tells them to squeal like pigs, the kids (including the she/he) don’t seem to take it too well.

Isn’t Brad a big enough star to where Angelina can be “suicided”?

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You just know those kids are going to be the most spectacular fuckups OF ALL TIME. Cannot wait for the years of pleasure we shall get from their wacky, cray cray antics. They shall become legends in the history of fucked up actor spawn.

Not that I don't think Pitt has a problem, but is it possible these therapists picked up on Jolie's issues as well? It seems as if she's making an attempt of alienating Brad from his kids.

He's a raging alcoholic and she's a heroin/opioid addict. Good luck kiddos

Brad always wanted kids - which was the speculation around his breakup with Jennifer Aniston. I don't think he's THAT fucked up - we would have been more about it in the press somehow over the years. Unlike Johnny Depp who has a long track record of destroying hotel rooms and other bad behavior.

She has tried to alienate her kids from their father which is fucking wrong. We of course don't know anything, but this feels and looks vindictive - and the court agrees. Women do this all the time in separations - if things don't go EXACTLY how they want, they hold the kids back or make up some other excuses and then say that the men have no interest in their children. Women really do not want to co-parent. They are the MOM and want full control.

well, it's obvious Brad has drug problems. maybe not now but certainly in the past plus booze.

Brad never knew what he wanted. He just followed whatever the woman in his life wanted.

How else can you be near 40 with no kids, suddenly realize you want kids and then have 6 kids.

R31 - those pix were the ones Brad thought up. They were his vision. 5 little cute white boys. A beautiful wife. Religion. Mid-century architecture. Beautiful wife in beautiful clothes. Wife without gross tattoos. A maternal mother. It was all his FANTASY of her. Instead, the reality was she was batshit crazy, she drove him to drink, he didn’t want to adopt all those children. And at least 1 is FTM TG bc of Jolie’s machinations. He’s still into mid-century architecture and he’s dating a professor/scholar of architecture who teaches at MIT. I’m not saying he doesn’t love all his kids but that was not his vision. THIS W photoshoot was his vision

[quote] 5 little cute white boys

I see three.

Oh, give it up, R38. Which is it? Did Jen "force" him to be childless or did Angelina "force" him to have 6 kids?

Someone in one of the Anthony Bourdain threads said why should a straight white male accept responsibility if there is a woman around to blame. Applies here, too, I see.

Seems Angie is jealous of her daughters so has them dress frumpy so they won't be competition

Pitt never lost custody of his kids. Pitt and Jolie executed a voluntary agreement right after the divorce was filed that though he retained joint legal custody that they would primarily reside with her and visit him. No court has ever decided custody in this case. So far it has been by joint agremeents between Pitt and Jolie.

[quote] For a therapist to be required at all times with Pitt seems to suggest something went on there that requires the visits to be strongly monitored

You misunderstand. This is to effectuate reconciliation after parental alienation. Therapists are used for this. And they are only being used for a short time. Once they return to LA they will not be used while the kids are in residence with Pitt - though the kids will continue their therapy visits. Clearly the judge has identified parental alienation and this order is dealing directly with that. The judge was probably troubled that the joint agreements had progressed the childrens' unification with their dad so little. Plus the therpists may have called the judge's attention to what they saw as alienation.

I can.'t say if there truly is alienation and if so that it is deliberate by Jolie or that it is unintentional which is also possible. But the orders regarding the phones shows she has been very controlling in a way that may have instilled fear in the kids. Plus the part of the order that says there must be a phone call wherein the therapists make it very clear to the kids - with their mother in attendance - that they are safe with their father. God what does that say?

What about the supply of teenaged hookers Jolie supposedly keeps around for her two oldest sons, and whom she replaces regularly, lest her darling boys become *gasp* emotionally attached to any of them? Do they figure into the custody agreement somehow?

A shitshow. Exactly what you'd expect from these two. Poor children,they no say in who their parents are. I still say Pitt is the more reliable parent, even drunk. Pitt had/ came from a functional family and has better experences to draw from. Jolie did not and just wants hostages to buffer her against her own internal black hole/vortec of emptiness.

[Quote] One of Brad's siblings (brother or sister) actually adopted a pair of Ethiopian kids almost same age as his daughter Zahara, so she would be more comfortable in the family.

What a wonderful thing to do.

[quote]And I’m female btw.

So you're a sellout. Okay.

R13, you don't know what you're talking about. Brad Pitt is a documented abuser.

brad pitt is a drunk ass, drug addict who pisses himself...i'm sure he makes a great parent and example to the kids.

These cases always suck, and it's not uncommon for a custodial parent to go too far in trying to protect the kids. That Pitt still has to have supervised visits is telling. I hope they both get their acts together and sober the fuck up for the sake of those kids. They need to know that BOTH parents are in their lives.

This detail, if true, is the most telling:

'The judge also ordered Jolie to arrange a phone call with the kids and their doctors to explain to the children that “the court has determined that each of them are safe with their father.”'

That's an oddly specific demand, and judges usually don't direct professionals how to do their job. What it likely means is that someone (guess who) lied to the kids and said they can't see their father more because the judge thinks he's dangerous. And it has to come from the doctors to be sure it's actually said, said without confusing baggage, and the children actually believe it.

Except they were there when he wasn't so safe and it will be ultimately up to HIM whether they believe it or not. Either way, those kids don't deserve to be pushed and pulled like this.

That language doesn't address whether the children themselves feel safe--that may be what the therapy is for. But if the children are being lied to about what the judge has said or done, that is lowdown shitty behavior that needs to stop.

Up to this point, the schedule and conditions of parenting time were per agreement. If Jolie has been lying to the kids and telling them "oh, you CAN'T see your father more, the judge says he's too dangerous" when in fact she's the one vetoing it, she's the one doing harm now (especially if they do feel safe with him and/or do want to see him more).

This judge has spoken to the kids in private chambers which partly accounts for the very specific instructions. Kids have expressed fear to the judge.

Stop pretending like you know specific details.

Stop breathing

Preaching to the wrong choir, maybe, but: never stick your dick in crazy.

R50, that’s a good point.

Parental alienation if a terrible thing. I’m middle-aged and still salty about what my mother did.

If a parent is an asshole, that’s for the kids to decide. Just because he cheated on you doesn’t mean he’s a bad father.

Bitch.

These kids are fucked. Weak men always choose women like this. See Pitt & see Bourdain. Jolie shouldn’t parent a goldfish. She’s a nutter.

R13, a woman doesn’t call herself a female. Shut the fuck up, you dumb fucking cunt. You come here with your MRA bullshit. Gay men are not fighting their ex wives for custody. This is primarily an LGBT site. Go back to reddit.

Brad Pitt physically attacked his son, asshole. Then he got off the private plane, sauced to the max, and attempted to steal and drive away in a refueling truck, in order to avoid being questioned by Feds and local police somewhere in flyover land.

What kind of decent mother would easily allow a drunken, violent alcoholic and drug addict, to have easy access to their children?

She forced him to get his shit together, and forced him to do everything he had to do in order to have those children in his life. She did the right thing. If Brad was such a perfect person, there wouldn’t be a therapist required for the reunification visits.

Brad fucked up and he fucked up royally. I’m very happy to see him get sober, but I cannot blame her one bit for being over the top furious for him hitting their child.

You sound like an abusive asshole, and are most definitely single.

Did Pitt leak it to the press?

If Brad were such a shitty parent, the judge wouldn't threaten to give him primary custody if Angelina doesn't play nice.

[quote] and attempted to steal and drive away in a refueling truck

Wasn’t that debunked?

[quote]For a therapist to be required at all times with Pitt seems to suggest something went on there that requires the visits to be strongly monitored. It seems pretty intensive for just a transitional or reintroduction scenario. I think Jolie and Pitt deserve each other. These kids are going to be fucking messes when they grow up.

Thanks for bringing it up. Everywhere online I see people running to vilify Angelina (with good cause, I think), but she's the one with primary custody after all. So no matter how terrible she is, whatever Brad did or said was enough that he's not the primary and he has to have supervised visits.

[quote]If Brad were such a shitty parent, the judge wouldn't threaten to give him primary custody if Angelina doesn't play nice.

But if Brad was such a great and innocent parent, why didn't he get primary custody to begin with?

Either way, the losers here are the kids.

Brad, by his own admission, has been drunk and high for YEARS.

Look, I like Pitt. I have nothing against him other than the fact that he attacked his son.

He needed a wake up call, and here it is. He got sober, got into therapy, and is now proving to the courts, his soon to be ex, and his children, that he is a changed man, and for the better.

I see absolutely nothing wrong in the way Jolie handled it. We have no proof that she was alienating the children from him.

He’s pissed off at her. She stood up to his crap. Do you honestly believe this woman doesn’t want the father of her children in their lives? I believe she does, but she wants it her way, and her way means that Brad had to get his life in order.

She’s an overprotective mother, at worst. She did him a favor in the long run. Now he will be a better father. Nothing wrong with that.

Personally, I think he’s pissed that ultimately, she decided that she didn’t want him back in her life too. I bet she considered it, and in the end, decided against it. I think that this is what has deeply wounded him. I could be wrong, but I don’t think so. That’s why he’s gotten nasty, and she has probably retaliated along the way.

When breakups and custodial issues get this bitter, it’s usually because one partner was hoping for reconciliation of the ENTIRE family, and the other partner ultimately did not. This has NOTHING to do with money. They both have plenty of it, and no way will Pitt ever allow for any of his children to go without.

Also, Brad has seen the children pretty regularly with a therapist. The difference in these new court order is that it is not taking place at Jolie’s house, and Jolie is not on the premises, and the visits are lengthier.

I have no idea why this shit was leaked. It was unnecessary, and very low brow.

I see Ex wives alienating fathers from their children on a daily basis. AJ is just like Mia Farrow with her kid collecting and ex bashing ways. It was found that BP was not abusive but was shown to have substance abuse problems which is why AJ got primary custody in the first case. These kids are going to make Mia Farrow’s and Marlon Brando’s children look normal when they get older.

[quote] but she's the one with primary custody after all. So no matter how terrible she is, whatever Brad did or said was enough that he's not the primary and he has to have supervised visits.

[quote] But if Brad was such a great and innocent parent, why didn't he get primary custody to begin with?

Mothers in the US are generally granted primary custody almost by default. The mother would have had to have done something quite bad not to get primary custody.

I am amused that people are defending the heroin addict, Jolie. She is obviously doing something very wrong for the Judge to make those kinds of threats. Whatever happened on that plane was investigated several times with the same outcome - no charges against Pitt. Jolie ia a major bitch for manipulating her children. And yes children are always the losers in a divorce.

R66, I agree. Jolie fits the pattern to a T. I don’t understand how people can’t see how monstrous she is.

Not that Brad is father of the year. He screwed the pooch on this one, big time.

The kids remarkably well adjusted, all things considered.

Regardless of their marital woes, and acrimonious parting of ways, I believe that they both adore these kids. Brad was a partier, but he loves those children.

They’ll figure it out, and the kids are going to probably be pretty awesome adults. I don’t see fucked up kids coming out of this divorce.

Maddox will be the one to part ways with Brad, if he hasn’t already. I hope they can mend their father/son relationship. If Brad stays on course, there’s hope.

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Oh, Angie, we get it: your mom was treated like an afterthought by a male movie star (your father). and now you want to reverse the pain of that situation by punishing another male movie star (your ex husband). GET help, you closet case BPD nightmare.

Haven't read replies here yet but it is SO telling that a therapist needs to be present.

I can't even imagine what he had pulled on that plane for her to be so freaked out enough to not care about appearance. She would not under any circumstances want all the neigh sayers to get satisfaction. She desperately tries to craft an image.

Did he pull a gun and threaten to kill them all then himself? Did he try to blow up the plane with the gas truck? Did he molest Maddox?

Whatever it was, it was a doozy!

Thanks, R54. A lot of guessing on this thread. I guess that's where the pointless bitchery comes in.

[quote]Did Pitt leak it to the press?

I thought I read on another site that Angelina's people have already accused Brad's people of leaking. Where else would this info be coming from? I don't care though, I cannot stand parents who try to alienate their children after divorces. It is so damaging and beyond selfish. #TeamBrad

Is Brad a coward?

[quote] If Brad were such a shitty parent, the judge wouldn't threaten to give him primary custody if Angelina doesn't play nice.

We don't really know if this is true or not. This is just what Pitt's team of high priced lawyers and PR people leaked to the press. And for everything they leaked, there's a shitload they didn't leak because it speaks volumes about what a terrible person Brad is

Jolie is an admitted addict (supposedly in recovery) and was given custody, and tons of other parents who are addicts and have beaten their kids get unsupervised visitation. When a super wealthy guy with every available resource is kept away from his kids for months (after the airport thing happened) and then only allowed sporadic, supervised visits, it tells me everything I need to know about Brad. I don'totally believe this leaked story

R73, As several people wrote up thread the therapist only has to be available during the initial London visits. Some take this mean that Angelina has poisoned the children against their father and the therapist is there to facilitate their reunion.

Jolie has always been masterful at playing the press game. She is probably behind all of this.

Oops, that post above belongs in the Prince George is being bullied thread

Oh, those kids are going to be massively fucked up no matter who has custody. They've been totally isolated from reality, raised by servants who don't dare criticize employers who are hammered or batshit crazy, and swamped by paparazzi every time they leave the house. It's a dysfunctional, isolated existence, made worse by the constant moves from home to home which keeps them from having any friends their own age, these kids have never known anything by the dysfunction in their own home. They haven't even been to regular schools, so they don't even get the chance to be exposed to other rich kids and their families!

They're still young enough for their parents to keep them at home and out of the press, but that can't last. The oldest are almost old enough to drive and to be let into the cooler night spots, I expect the police reports to be starting up before long.

Of course she doesn't want her kids around Pitt if he was abusive. She is trying to protect them.

Again R82, if he is abusive why is the judge threatening to take primary custody away? It is posters like you and others that have convinced me she is behind the "press". Now she is playing the role of mother protector from abusive Pitt.

[quote]But if Brad was such a great and innocent parent, why didn't he get primary custody to begin with?

Did he even request it?

[quote]Do you honestly believe this woman doesn’t want the father of her children in their lives?

You gotta be fucking kidding me. This is a woman who has been famously estranged from her own father for *decades* now.

According to CNN they were able to obtain these new court documents legally, as they were unsealed. Per CA law some rulings are required to be public, this must be one of them.

Jolie's chiding statement today that someone 'leaked' sealed court docs was untruthful.

[quote]According to a court order obtained by CNN and issued last week, Jolie is required to tell their children that the "court has determined that not having a relationship with their father is harmful to them," that they are "safe with their father," and that having a healthy relationship with both parents is "critical."

Some of the judge's wording sounds like a father's rights activist at work.

It’s called grandparents’ rights!

R87, are you confused?

Jolie's media minions (Lainey and Celebitchy) immediately ran with her spin that evil Brad selectively leaked private documents, while of course glossing over the parts of the order that made Jolie look bad. Of course they had no problem with Jolie's leaks early on in the divorce, many of which turned out to be false, that made Brad look bad.

Now, of course, it turns out the order was not sealed. As Lainey herself has repeatedly said, there are media outlets that regularly scroll through LA County courthouse filings just to look for celebrity dirt. Jolie is a reflexive liar and I can't imagine whatever Lainey is getting in compensation is worth making herself look so stupid every time she posts about this woman.

I can't believe the site, Celebitchy, still exists. I haven't been there in over a year and that site was dwindling, then.

R79 I thought just the opposite, that the tide is turning on her and the media are going after her for alienating the kids from Brad. I think the judge's report makes it pretty clear that she is acting horribly and trying to turn the kids against their father.

She's old and looks even older. Her kids are long past the cute baby and toddler stage.

The kids have been isolated from peers and normal life thus far so, yes, they’re fucked. This won’t end well for any of them.

the kids want to leave her so bad, she is very controlling …. not a fit mom.

RUN TO DADDY

Honestly, the kids would be infinitely better off if they ran away from both parents and joined the circus, or a decent pack of wolves.

Sure, circus life is rough, but at least they'd be exposed to reality and work and human passions that aren't enmeshed in family life! Of course they'd be better off with the wolves, but I'm sure wolves are too smart to let feral little monsters from a massively dysfunctional background join up.

The fraus are all over this thread! The point is that Angie, wilth all her borderline crazy, tried to turn the court, shrinks, press and the children against Brad and thought she could pull off an outcome where Brad doesn't get to see the kids AT ALL but she failed and believe it she is FUMING 😤! Poor Angie, she thought because she spins stories for the press and flyovers believe it that she could get over on professionals. What a dummy.

To quote the great Big Daddy Kane: "put a quarter in your ass cuz you played yourself"

How embarrassing, only uncivilized trash has to go to court to sort out their differences.

I bet Brad just repeatedly rues the day he ever met her.

why can't we recognize that some women are toxic abusive trash? Angie has always been batshit crazy. It's well recorded. She is mentally twisting the children's mind against their father. It doesn't mean Brad didn't fuck up. But it doesn't negate the fact that Angie is trash.

Actually, what is well recorded is that Brad Shit is abusive towards his adoptive child. I bet he's the type who doesn't even regard the adopted children as his real kids. He certainly looks like the type. Angelina doesn't need to twist anyone's minds, they already see him for what he is: a shit.

Angelina’s MO is so Mia Farrow. I can barely separate them in my mind.

Angelina really is a saint to put up with Brad Shit for as long as she did.

r101 Agree totally. I keep wondering who will be Dylan, Moses, and Soon Yi from this family and in what combination.

These people are a Rorschach Test for the rest of us.

An insider leaked that the strange Cambodian teen threw feces at Brad on the plane. That would get anyone upset. The incident was investigated by CPS and then closed, indicating Brad was not hitting the Cambodian one. Angelina has turned that one into a strange egotistical monster-to-be. She was boasting how he helped make the movie about Pol Pot and he was loving the attention.

[Quote] An insider leaked that the strange Cambodian teen threw feces at Brad on the plane.

What???

Sorry, R100, makng up shit about Brad isn't going to fly. It seems there was a seven day hearing - at which evidence was presented, expert witnesses testified, reports reviewed and at its conclusion the judge wrote a court order that was a clear "post parental alienation" plan to quickly try to comfortably reunify the children with their father.

The court order which is available online has detailed and very specific instructions to Angelina that appear to correct and reverse some of her behaviors that are typical alienating behaviors like controlling phone communications between Brad and the children. She was also ordered to immediately tell the children via phone conference and then a week later in person when they were all in England with her that the court said "they were safe with their father" among other things, and those conversations with the children had to be in the presence of two psychologists as witnesses.

The court also put in a warning to Angelna only that if the children don't respond as hoped to the post alienation plan that primary custody might be taken from her and given to Pitt outright. THAT says it all.

There is just no other reasonable reading of that order than that the court has evidence of parental alienation and issued an order to reverse it beginning immediately.

Parental alienation is becoming a bigger issue publicly and courts have become more vigilant in spotting it. If Angelna isn't careful she risks becoming involved in a new cause but as the poster child for the cause of it.

r105 is unhinged. Don't pay attention to it.

r107, that is bullshit. I don't think Brad Shit cares about seeing his kids. He just cares about his image and being seen as a good dad, so now only he's latching on to the latest bogus MRA trend, which is parental alienation. The fact is, fathers are favored in family courts and rich, famous fathers even more so. He can quit playing victim and casting Angelina as the abuser. Also, he leaks shit to the press like the pathetic famewhore he is, so I don't trust him as far as I can throw him.

R108 I did residency at UCLA Neuropsychiatric Institute and emotionally disturbed children love to throw feces around when upset. I am not the unhinged one, just a doctor who has seen this many times.. When I was an intern, Jolie herself made a pitstop at UCLA NPI courtesy of LAPD putting her on a 5150.

And as recall from the National Enquirer story, Jolie was throwing glass plates around and cutting herself in front of her mother.

[quote] I did residency at UCLA Neuropsychiatric Institute

Jolie voluntarily checked herself in and was sent home shortly after once seen by a psychiatrist. It wasn't a 5150. I suspect it was more of a drama queen situation over Billy Bob rather than a real psychiatric episode. Though I don't want to discount or discourage people seeking help if they are unsure what they are experiencing.

5150s initiated by police are part of the civil records.

Yeah, I bet Pitt doesn't actually want full custody of those feral little monsters, he just doesn't want to look like the kind of person who abandons his kids after a divorce. Bet you that in ten years he'll have a few family with a new wife, and not be seeing much of the first batch. At least, not much of the adopted first batch.

I also bet that if there's any threat of losing primary custody, she'll take up official residence in another country and tell the American courts to go fuck themselves. Lots of people do that if they really want to fuck the other parent over in a custody trial, and if they can afford to.

Pitt is working with Quentin Tarantino. He is 55 and can't even see his kids without being supervised. What a mess he is.

Well, all the women here are supporting the heroin dyke, and all the men are supporting drunk Brad.......I'll go with Brad, she is a car wash cunt and a total mental mess

Pitt isn't being "supervised" in his visits. Parental alienation plans call for experts to be available to witness interactions and suggest to either the parent or child ways to ease back into a healthy relationship. That is not "supervision". As for Pitt the experts will only be in that role for a short time. As soon as he is back in LA some weeks from now he will have the children in residence in his home 24/7 and the will be no experts around.

As for Jolie you could say she is being "supervised" by 2 experts who must witness her interactions with the kids when she has to obey the court order to tell the children - in 2 separate meetings a week apart - that "the court says they are safe with their father" among other court mandated messages to the children.

The Poo Flinger and some of the older kids can probably legally refuse to see Brad. They’re kind of a lost cause. But the little ones should be able to see him.

Jolie should rot in hell for the parental alienation bullshit. My mother pulled that crap and it mostly backfired.

I wonder if Brad can rescind their trust funds or put on additional restrictions. I'm not saying Angie is poor but Brad is worth a lot more than she is. LOL!

[quote] Jolie should rot in hell for the parental alienation bullshit. My mother pulled that crap and it mostly backfired.

So, you're using your own mother issues to project onto Angelina Jolie? Not surprising, but you know nothing of this situation. Brad Shit is a documented abuser.

Pitt is not officially a "documented abuser", R120. He was accused of abuse, the accusation was investigated by the courts, and no charges were filed. No previous wives or girlfriends have accused him of abuse, so I seriously doubt there was much to that incident but a nasty family argument.

Frankly, neither seems like an ideal parent, with both having substance abuse issues and Ang being batshit crazy. Wherever those kids end up, their one real hope for growing up functional is the nannies.

She rolls out the UN duties when in damage control mode

To be fair, those trips have to be planned months in advance.

They didn't have to be for Princess Diana.

I wonder if Jennifer is having a laugh over this

R123, no they don't. In fact they can't because conditions can change quickly and drastically in war torn areas. And all she did was a walkabout with very little exposition, so very little planning needed. This was a straight-up damage control PR. She does this all the time.

R126 She looks wrecked

The old black lesbian from Chicago thrusting her interests on us. Comes here, Celebitchy, Dlisted, Lipstick Alley and Female First Brangeloonie boards. Round and round. Lives in the projects. No friends, family or life. Pretends to be from Ontario. Die already before I wish you into a cornfield, you envious racist pudding.

Well, I'm a woman and I have long recognised the crazy in this woman and she attracts similar women to her fandom. Anybody with EYES can see the crazy/dysfunction dripping off of her. I tell you what though. I am very surprised that Brad realised how to play the long con with somebody personality disordered ( learned from her mother). I didn't respect any smarts he may have. Maybe he was read to filth by those who he cast aside once he hooked up with Angelina? Those who could see things from the outside. He wasn't with her a YEAR and his looks went to shit. I remember my can't give a shit about Hollywood cousin saying "how him look so bad?"

How come Angeloonies can't recognise that their girl is on some type of skag? Are they dunce or like Angelina , think that everybody else is dunce? Oh and the Frau type is very pro Angeloonie. I only go over to Celebitchy when St Angie Ho is in the news. Reading the fawning and the unhinged witterings of Kaiser is quite invigorating.

And how come Maddox looks as old as Pat Morita in Karate Kid and that child aint even long born? In fact , how come most of those children look like they at least forgot to partake of a full bathe and instead spray deodorant as useless compensation? All the while , Miss Angie is profiling in Chloe and ponchos and wraps that are not cheap?

Sorry , but in life either the whole family has to look like fleabags, or the parent have to. But never and on a consistent basis are the children meant to look worse than the parent/guardian. At least when Brad was about the whole of them favoured tramps, together.

And somebody , for the love of God get to the bottom of "is she a Republican?" When every female of any alphabetical list, despite obvious evidence was asked at the question by women who may not be "are you a feminist" the ONLY one of note to asked was St Angie. She hasn't been questioned on her political affiliations worth a damn , either. For somebody who is quite a shit actress and has got more and more stilted as she as aged, I can't work out why she is given so much space to be a cunt and no other woman is?

R129 What the hell?

The kids are much better off maintaining a solid relationship with Pitt.

Because he's the one with the money, and will be much richer in the years to come! She's past her big-earnng years as an actor, she's lost much of her beauty and sex appeal, now that she's fortyish there isn't going to be much available to her but Vamp and camp roles. And she's got to gave massive expenses, living in huge mansions and keeping staffs of God knows how many PAs, servants, and nannies. No way is she earning enough to pay for all that, and the child support money will dwindle down as the kids hit 18 and stop completely in 10 years. If she doesn't list custody first.

I love that I was called a “male” & “MRA activist” & a “cunt” for defending Brad. He’s not great but Jolie is pulling Parental Alienation Syndrome on those kids (PASA) & btw, to my hater-friend - I’m actually female.

Sorry not PASA but PAS

R132 Oh a syndrome, weeeee. Just call her what she is....yucky. And bat ugly

The Court said the kids have to go to therapy at Transitioning Families, which is for children who suffer from PAS (usually it’s the mother that does PAS on the children). Also interesting in the Court documents is that the Court says she needs to give the cell phone numbers of the kids to Brad. He doesn’t even have their number. What a horrible cunt.

R120, you can call it projection. I call it recognizing.

It’s a survival skill, among other things.

Both of them are cunts.

That bitch got her ass over to Iraq within 3 days to play martyr. I don't think this impress the judge

I don't think the judge cares one way or the other.

I agree that it's odd that her kids look like ragamuffins while she waltzes around, even in Iraq, looking professionally styled. She's got nannies and money coming out of her ass. She can afford to hire someone to take them shopping if she can't be bothered.

[quote]I tell you what though. I am very surprised that Brad realised how to play the long con with somebody personality disordered.

Brad used to refer to himself as the zen master of the press. He is not unfamiliar with how to play the game. But he is in many ways, losing this publicity war with Angie, because he's trying to be above board about it. By that I mean not using the kids for photo-ops. It doesn't really matter what either of them do though, really, press-wise. They'll both always have their fans and their detractors.

Brad's case is actually precedent setting. Up till NOW, PAS was not allowed to be talked about or mentioned in court. Brad has the money and the patience to play the "long game" (not the long con as the other person mentioned) & the fact that she could lose full time custody to him would actually save HIM a lot of money & save future fathers a lot of grief. Why? Because so many women are practicing PAS on their children. They're bipolar/borderline/Cluster B types. And the DSM should recognize PAS, it's ridiculous that they don't.

Jolie has always been a crazy bitch, Pitt has always been a little slow.

Between the two the kids are better off with him.

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R141, where does "parental alienation syndrome" end, and being honest with your kids end? If Spouse A has divorced Spouse B for being an abusive drunk who fucked anything with a hole in it, and Spouse A tells the kids that the divorce is happening because Spouse B is an abusive drunk and doesn't even mention the fucking around, should there be a legal precedent that allows Spouse B to haul Spouse A into court and claim "parental alienation"?

Well, probably, because people in the middle of a nasty divorce will twist and misuse absolutely anything that exists. But the fact is, this "parental alienation" thing isn't cut-and-dried, there are people who will shriek "YOU'RE TRYING TO RUIN MY RELATIONSHIP WITH MY KIDS" if their ex-spouse tells the kids they are anything but an archangel come to Earth, even if they were an abusive drunk who fucked anything with a hole in it during the marriage.

Should someone who fucks around on their spouse be denied access to their children?

R145, very few people think so. But a lot of people do think that if one spouse fucks around and the other spouse files for divorce because of that, the children should not be told the real reason for the divorce as it would harm the children's relationship with one parent. Personally I think that's bullshit, but as I'm not a parent I don't have any direct say.

But people who fuck around on their spouses seem to think that telling the children about it is alienation, prejudicial, and pure evil. Like I said, people in the middle of a nasty divorce will twist and misuse anything.

Parents will use anything in a divorce and custody battle. It doesn't matter how much it damages the children, parents convince themselves that it's for the best.

FYI, unless they are very young the kids already know who is screwing whom and don't need to be told. There are no real secrets in families, only things that people will or won't acknowledge they know. Self-preservation is a powerful motivation, even in children.

PAS is a load of bullshit. It's not a legit syndrome and it's often raised by abusers to deflect blame for their own misdeeds.

HOWEVER, that doesn't mean alienation-type behavior doesn't occur. In fact, it's often done by abusers themselves. While women are often accused of it, in my experience you see men doing it just as often. And people who are abusive and controlling do it very often.

With that said, R144 where does legit abusive behavior end and histrionics from a narcissistic control freak begin? Jolie lies all the time and she's been selling herself and her family as the MOST of everything for years. It's not all that hard to imagine she would take a bad fight/incident and blow it up into OH MY GOD MY POOR BABIES ARE IN DANGER. It could have been something really bad, but it also could have been something as common as Maddox taking his mother's side during an argument and Brad putting him in his place with a shove and some nasty language. Not good, but certainly not worthy of cutting him off from all his children.

Remember her brother's only example of what a terrible father Jon Voight was to them growing up: that he and Jolie didn't get cars when they turned 16 so they were the only kids at Beverly Hills High who were still taking the bus to school. This is the mentality the court and those kids are dealing with. Is it really hard to imagine Jolie going nuts and saying her very privileged children will NEVER be talked to "that way" even by their father?

And now the order that references the children needing to be told by a professional that the court doesn't believe their father is a danger to them and ordering Jolie to turn over their cell phone numbers and not interfere with calls suggests Jolie is the one engaging in behavior common to abusers. I've had many cases where the abuser lies about what happens in court (a recent doozy: "I OFFERED to pay more child support but your mom refused because she doesn't want me to get more visits!") and where the abuser tries to monitor the children's contact with the other parent. I had one case where the father gave the child a "secret" burner phone and would text the child demanding to know who was in the home with them and what her mother was doing. Brad supposedly has had supervised visits for some time as well as drug/alcohol screens per their agreement. There's simply no reason for her to be interfering at that level when professionals are already involved, especially with the children bring older and able to speak for themselves.

Or, maybe he'd been having these episodes for some time and some of the kids were afraid of him. Rather than the court naming specific children who would need reassurance, the court ordered that she make a generic statement that the children were safe with their father.

Maybe, and that might be why Pitt agreed to the conditions initially. But it's clear from the order the court has some reason to believe Jolie is interfering with the relationship and possibly even encouraging the children to still think of their father as a danger even if he isn't.

I knew she was in the wrong and dicking him over as soon as she "fled with the children" to the Malibu house she'd secretly rented months before, just waiting to find or manufacture an "incident" she could use against Bradley.

She's a fucking cunt and by that I mean an obvious fucking cunt.

Someone needs to post a copy of this order. All these outlets say they got a copy and it is public, but there are no links to it that I saw.

Order is at this link. And of course Jolie lied about there being a misleading leak of sealed documents. The initial reports of what the order said were all accurate.

^ Forgot to add: In fact, the only misleading spin on the order was the article that said the Judge said Maddox doesn't have to see his father. In fact, the court simply referenced that the parties had already agreed that Maddox could decide for himself because he's almost an adult. Not at all uncommon in cases involving 16/17 year olds.

Thanks for that link r153. That truly gives the full picture. It's a reunification order, basically spelling out the terms of the now-ordered move to 50/50 custody. And it's points are much harsher on Jolie than on Pitt.

There's another hearing in mid-August in LA, Jolie will be back with the kids then. It will be interesting to see what comes after that.

103: I lol'd. I was thinking the exact same thing

Starting to wonder if it was pitt's idea all along to have his access supervised. The long play.

It’s such a shame that her career is in freefall.

my thoughts too r157. Official monitoring for self-protection.

R148 I respectfully disagree with your assessment that PAS is "all bs". However, everything else you said in that & your other post were 100% accurate. Are you a family counselor? I worked in public schools. It was ***ALWAYS*** the women preventing men from seeing their children. 100%. Even this one sweet black father who had zero contact with his children, he'd call me on the phone, the courts in SF were not amenable to a sober black man & his mother getting custody of the children away from the hard partying druggie mother who was always on something when she dropped the kids off. This and other very heartbreaking stories I have from the SFUSD public schools. So many heartbreaking stories. I cried a lot. Another one is the semi-homeless Arabic mother on heroin with tons of men in her SRO hotel rooms and the adorable children. The daughter had a restraining order against the grandmother against seeing the children. The grandmother HAD let them all into her home but the mother, who was a junkie/meth freak wouldn't stop fucking men at her mother's house and shooting up. GM had zero rights in SF to the kids. Thx courts! GM wanted full custody, GM had a safe stable home but the judges in SF are "mother is first". Fucking over the children.

r160, did you even read the post at r148?

I guess what I'm curious about is this : what exactly did Brad do to Maddox that sparked all this? Are we talking about a rough grab around the collar or something more serious? Any inside scoop?

Lol R113 you Angelina fanboi. Angie was most definitely carted to UCLA NPI by LAPD after throwing glass plates around and cutting herself and bleeding all over herself in front of Mama Marcheline who called the police because she was so freaked out.

R162, Nobody knows, which also means nobody knows just how serious it was. The Jolie stans keep insisting he hit him, beat him or nearly killed him, but as usual they don't have a clue.

The only thing confirmed from that night was the fuel truck story was a lie.

[quote] Brad used to refer to himself as the zen master of the press. He is not unfamiliar with how to play the game. But he is in many ways, losing this publicity war with Angie, because he's trying to be above board about it. By that I mean not using the kids for photo-ops. It doesn't really matter what either of them do though, really, press-wise.

Actually you haven't been paying attention. Angelina hasn't spoken out about the divorce. Brad has had his people speak out. They've leaked positive stories about him since his blow up at the airport. His side are the ones who told people poor, Brad was staying on a friend's floor for months. What a bunch of pure BULLSHIT. They they said he was getting help for his drinking (but really drugging). When he was finally allowed to see the kids it was leaked to the press how they had a great visit. Not one word about Angelina about any of this

And the reason you don't see him out with the kids so the paparazzi can get pictures of them is because Brad isn't allowed to be alone with the kids. He has to have a psychotherapist/court monitor with him when ever he is with the kids. And no, they are not going to let him turn it into some bullshit shit show for the tabloids to splash on every magazine and website in existence

And because of him leaking all along, I don't believe a word he or his people say. I don't believe the judge said Jolie may lose custody. She's not the one who had to be drug tested weekly and see all sorts of counselors. She was allowed to be around her children at all times and without any restrictions. And the kids wanted to be around her at all times. Brad can't say the same. And the story about the therapists having to tell the kids they don't have to be scared of their father , may not mean anything. It may just be a stipulation that Brad's attorney's got the judge to go along with. It doesn't mean the judge felt Angelina was telling the kids they should be afraid of Brad. All kinds of disclosures get said during custody , divorce and even general court cases. Some wives make the judge state the husband is never able to contact the wife (even though he hasn't stalked or harassed her before)

I take Brad's latest leak with a grain of salt. Some of it may be true, some of it could be false

^ Perfect example of a Jolie stan without a clue.

"I don't believe the judge said Jolie may lose custody."

The order is at R153. The quote, accurately reported in the press, is in paragraph 9.

》Not one word about Angelina about any of this

R165, bitch featured her kids in the vanity fair article she catastrophically fucked up, plus took them to a million premieres, awards shows and gratuitous UN functions, eating spiders and shit. Then there were all the shopping trips she papped out.

[quote]Should someone who fucks around on their spouse be denied access to their children?

Of course not. A cheater can still be a great parent. One has nothing to do with the other.

AJ is doing the exact same thing to Brad that her star-fucker mother did to her father. Acted like a perpetual victim long after her marriage was over. Weak, pathetic and vindictive, with no ability to move on with her life, she used the kids to manipulate Jon Voight for years. She over-shared with her young children about being cheated on, poisoning them against their father. Bitch never had a job in her adult life, but continued to rely on her ex for income and status...for decades. Even to this day, AJ and her loser brother both hate him, and it's not for how he treated them, it's for how he treated their mentally disturbed mother. They both still whine about it in interviews like sullen teenagers.

[quote]I take Brad's latest leak with a grain of salt.

The dunce @ R165 doesn't understand the meaning "public records".

[quote]Actually you haven't been paying attention.

I'm not studying them like a course in school. Anyway, #TeamBrad.

Marcy Bertrand, in her last will & testament, said that Voight owed her $180k for “spousal support”. Brad, this is your future, she’s just as crazy as Marcy. BTW, Spousal support no longer is viable in California after 5 years. You’re on your own. Marcy, like Angelina, never worked a real job ever in her life.

Why is this one or the other? I believe Angie has issues, but so does Pitt. He chose her as his partner, mother of his children, and wife. He was absolutely besotted by her, as she was by him. He was a drunken pothead, and she most probably was partying right along with him.

These people live very different lives than we do. However, just like all of us, they aren’t perfect, and they have both fucked up.

I’m team no one. Fuck these people. They have more money than God, and even though money can’t buy happiness, it sure fucking helps to have lots of it when you’re unhappy. That’s why they were able to continue their fucked up behavior for so long, without anyone really knowing the details of their relationship. They have the luxury of paying people to clean up their mess, whereas we are forced to take ownership and either sink or swim.

R172, I’m Team No One, too. Well, I’m Team Kids.

My BPD mother did the parental alienation thing, too. Her arrows were aimed at HIM but struck us. The way she hurt him was by hurting us.

As a middle-aged woman who’s done a lot of introspection and tried to be as objective as possible, I think I’ve made peace with it all. But she laid waste to all our lives and that’s a fact.

I’ve seen a few divorced couples behave as civilized adults, so I know it’s possible.

It's not just women who pull the "parental alienation" thing. There was a case in the news a few years ago, where a man who'd taken his daughters and vanished during an ugly divorce was found, when his daughters were adults. Apparently he'd told the girls that he'd been awarded custody because their mother was a drunk and druggie, where in reality she'd spent the last 20 years desperately trying to find her children.

I've seen several variations on this in real life as well, where a man wants to hurt the ex-wife who divorced him for being an asshole retaliated by taking the kids away, and in several cases the mother and child(ren) have never seen each other again. And of course I've seen women try to shut the father out of the kids' life as well, and there's one thing I've concluded - that the courts are more likely to let fathers get away with this kind of horror. Not many men even ask for full custody, and fewer still are willing to viciously lie in order to get it, so IMHO the family court judges aren't as skeptical about men who call their ex a drunken abuser as they are about women.

Does she still make out with her brother?

R174, some women are drunken abusers. My mother was absolute toxic person like this.

[quote]And no, they are not going to let him turn it into some bullshit shit show for the tabloids to splash on every magazine and website in existence

You mean like all the dozens of pap walks Angelina has been doing with the kids the past 18 months? Oh right, that's not a 'shit show' in that case. Double standards anyone.

r165 obviously didn't read this thread and view the posted PUBLIC documents that the media had a hold of. The same docs Jolie swore were leaked. Keep on keeping on.

I have a sincere question: is it possible that Pitt was abusing Angelina?

I am currently aware of a situation where a man who portrays himself to be a saint, is beating his wife behind closed doors. He is highly guarded about his reputation, and had fooled everyone around him, other than his children, who want absolutely NOTHING to do with him. His wife is mentally ill. She suffers from clinical depression, and BPD, and both are exacerbated by the abuse.

It’s a horrible situation, and the wife refuses to reach out for help.

We really do not know what goes on behind closed doors. We don’t personally know these people.

Something really fucked up went down on that airplane, and I believe it was the straw that broke the camel’s back for Jolie, and for Maddox.

R178, it’s possible. I could see them beating the shit out of each other.

My mother got together with a very lovely man about 25 years ago. She systematically reduced him to nothing, without ever laying a hand on him. Like, when you see shit like “Whatever Happened to Baby Jane”, or “Misery”, that’s what we are taking about.

Abuse of all kinds happens, and outside observers are powerless to stop it.

I agree it's possible as well. Anything is possible.

However if they were fighting, or Pitt was that bad with her or the kids, this recent judge would NEVER have put out a strict public order that Jolie was required to have not one but two phone calls/meeting with her kids, telling them directly herself, and with therapists, that they were specifically 'safe' with their father and not to worry.

No way would that happen, if a pattern of deep abuse was uncovered. And it absolutely would have been uncovered these past 18 months, give the deep dive multiple investigators, social workers and others did on this family. Everything was put out in the open, and the judge ordered immediate reunification. That's the reality no matter who you're a fan of.

Of course it's possible that Pitt was beating her up behind closed doors, almost anything is possible! It's entirely possible that this whole shitshow is a massive publicity stunt, it's possible that they're both pedophiles and the argument happened because Maddox is too old for them, it's possible that Trump is paying them to take attention away from his legal woes, etc.

But as he has no known history of abusing intimate partners and she has a history of being a batshit crazy BPD case, it's unlikely.

Hey, since we're suggesting possibilities, maybe Brad discovered Angelina and Maddox were replicating her creepy incestuous relationship with her brother, including the makeout sessions. Brad said knock it off, Maddox and Angie got really mad and said "we'll punish him for trying to interfere with our love!"

I mean, that's about as plausible as Brad abusing Angelina.

What was going on in that gif R182?

It looks like Brad is saying "Oh, OK..." but I can't guess at what she said.

She's saying "I can walk just fine" or something like that. It's the same night she kept jutting out her leg in that weird stance, so she was probably drunk/high as fuck.

They are both fucked up and were fucked up parents. Neither of them gave enough of a shit to set boundaries or rules for the kids. That says it all. It was too hard, too much work and took time away from themselves so they had a bunch of Nannies do it for them. The kids ran riot, had no bedtime, could eat what they want when they want and had the reputation amongst the Nannies as being the most feral kids in Hollywood. Now they both are fighting over seeing and being with them. It's just a battle of the egos.

Angelina's situation is becoming worse, because her narrative was that she was wild in her youth with crazy antics but she reformed, got into humanitarian work, hooked up with Brad and got a big family with him. With this dirty divorce and fighting over kids this image either is all gone or damaged beyond repair.

I think they'll both come out of this fine. Their biggest problem is they are getting on in age. Hollywood's greatest sin. People like me love to gossip about them, but I'd still see a movie either of them were in if it looked like a good one. None of that sanctimonious shit, Angelina!

R59 I always refer to myself as a female.

I prefer that to "I am a woman."

R182 She looks really pissed off.

Pitt looked especially fuckable in r182 's gif.

He's looked better R191

I like him with longer hair.

r144, a child shouldn't be told why parents are divorcing other than "we can't live together any more but we still love you unconditionally." However when your parents are batshit publicity whores and you are a teenager with no restrictions and no sense of what is normal, it is easy to follow this in the tabs.

Angelina used to have the media eating out of her hand but they seem to be turning on her. It must be infuriating to her. Time to reinvent herself as something else. The humanitarian schtick isn't working any more.

"[R144], a child shouldn't be told why parents are divorcing other than "we can't live together any more but we still love you unconditionally.""

Oh sure, that's the conventional wisdom of today's straight people, but I am totally fucking over the conventional wisdom of straight people. These are the same people who say "Show your unconditional love for your child who's failing in school by agreeing that the teacher is picking on him, instead of taking away the video games he plays when he should be doing his homework", what do they know about anything!

Child collectors are naive dreamers who like babies. They don't ever envision life in the future, with sullen teens who are no longer cute or under their control. Life gets a lot harder and less fun. I think it's a shock when these narcissists finally realize what they've taken on----particularly when all the MILF + adorable baby attention dries up.

And they certainly don't envision the day their daughters will be prettier than they are, R196.

Angie has been looking like a hallowed out ghoul for some time. The only acting gigs she can get are ones where she plays some type of cartoon character like Malificent. She can also find witch-type roles like Helen Bonham Carter did in the Harry Potter series.

R197 Angie is dressing her bio daughters in rag-a-muffin baggy clothes to hide the fact that they are females. She is going to have a very hard time playing "mother" and "grandmother roles" I think.

R198 you want her to dress her young daughters in clothing that shows off their bodies?

How about letting them wear something age-appropriate, R199, but which give them that "I feet pretty" feeling?

No, the only girl in that family allowed that feeling is the one who doesn't resemble mum. And even she doesn't get a dress meant for someone with her skin tone.

Jolie dressing shiloh in boy clothes even as an infant is beyond fucked up

You're making a lot of assumptions about the kids clothing. They may be picking it out themselves. Some girls love frilly girly stuff and some don't. Dressing infants in gender neutral cloths doesn't turn them trans. Babies don't care about gender norms. Lots of girls like wearing boy cloths, it's really common. It was common before trans became a big thing and people didn't make a big deal out of it. There is also zero reason to think Brad has a problem with it. I think they should be in school and stay in one location for the bulk of the year. The clothing isn't a big deal or even a small deal.