Germaine Greer criticises Beyoncé: 'Why has she always got to be naked?'

She is right. This is what female "singers" have been turned into.

Maybe it's because she has nice tits ??

Germaine needs to comb her hair ...

Germaine was, is and will always be a world class CUNT

Tits are titillating and shaking them is very empowering.

She's correct. Nearly all the female singers now are basically lip-syncing pole-dancers.

Because that's the only way she can attract attention.

I'm aware of who Greer is, but that is the first thing I've read of hers. And I think she is 100% correct.

Why is it always women who look like Germaine Greer criticizing women who look like Beyonce for being proud of their bodies? Anybody remember Andrea Dworkin? Same thing.

She is totally correct but it is just another thing that we are not allowed to talk about as it happens right in front of us.

Are all the shirtless or nearly naked men 'submitting'?

BS

Why is it men that look like Harvey Weinstein that preys on women?

Great question. Why can't any musician survive on their talent, male of female, why does talent always take a back seat to artifice and sex?

Why do we need a big stage show to enjoy music? As my late grandfather would say, "You don't see all that crap when you're listening to the record." You know he was right!

No it’s not r9. Greer is a well respected academic who has done more for equality in one year than most will achieve in a lifetime.

It's because of sexism. A woman dressed normally will not get media attention and contracts.

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You dont see male singers shaking their dicks

Read a damn book R8. That is one fucking paragraph about Beyonce, whom Greer praises for her great talent and voice.

Greer is a provocative and gutsy feminist even now. One of the few who hasn't caved in to the trans and #metoo movements. There is a lot about her ideas and history worth exploring. But don't use your Friday night race baiting beyonce hate threads to troll her R8, you illiterate bitch.

Did you read what she said about rape in the same short article? Much more incendiary. But the Bey quote sells papers.

Germaine The Hag Greer = Ann Coulter

This thread is silly. Entertainment takes all forms and it's a good if it's .... entertaining !!

She has a point about rape . I am a chick. Yes,some rape is worse than others.

r21 = Whoopi "rape rape" Goldberg

No, they have all had to be naked in the past 20 years. It is big anti-feminism backlash.

I am sick of it, and I am sick of all the dumbing down. They are making society crude, ignorant, sexist. So sick of it.

[quote]Why is it always women who look like Germaine Greer criticizing women who look like Beyonce for being proud of their bodies? Anybody remember Andrea Dworkin? Same thing.

Obviously you have no clue who Germaine is. She was hot back in the day, she fucked Zeppelin's Robert Plant when he was also hot and Lord knows who else! Germaine didn't just talk about women having sex on their owns terms, she practiced what she preached.

She even made the cover of LIFE.

Greer was lovely when she was young. No doubt.

I disagree with her that Beyoncé is a wonderful musician, though. Hell no!

Ditto R23.

although Beyonce is hugely successful, as to why, uncertain - and she's treated like a deity, again I have no idea - think its mostly 12 year old girls from LI who want to book her for their bat mitzvah or bordering on dumpy white suburban moms who think she's cool. Beyonce's fame is confounding considering she has level f talent. I say this having listened to maybe two songs - and only half way through - her screeching make her difficult to listen to, but she shows off her t&a to distract from her limited talent - its smoke and mirrors.

Missy Elliot yay Beyonce booo.

^ancient white f@g^

^What of it?

"You dont see male singers shaking their dicks"

Isn't that the essence of HARD Rock?

Cock rock...rock out with your cock out.

Because it distracts from her shit music. That's why Germaine.

Greer made her career off of being the sexy feminist, no one would have cared about her writing if she was a buttoned up frump and not an attention whore. At least Beyonce keeps her clothes partially on if that's what she wants to judge someone on, google Germaine Greer naked.

Absolutely no comparison, R32. First of all , they had their pants on. They usually had a guitar in front of them, too. And they were in a position of power not naked weakness.

Germaine Greer is an expert on Shakespeare and an environmentalist and a media hack, not a has been.

Please, almost all male musicians who aren't ugly pose and perform shirtless all the time. Did you miss the chili pepper's cock sock phase?

men shirtless is not the same - everyone knows this

and it is not expected of all singers as it is with women

r38 That explains why the Pixies and the Cure and Roy Orbison were such novelites of rock music.

They aren't hot.

*novelties

Greer is correct. Third wave feminism is ridiculous. Self-exploitation is not sexual freedom.

I really like Germaine, I've read all of her books. No one is always right but she's most always intelligent and brave. I like Beyonce too, as does she ;)

How far could Mary Travers have gone if she had sang in her underwear.

LOve Germaine, and she is totally on point here

[quote]Greer made her career off of being the sexy feminist

Her books are pretty sharp. She wouldn't have had a career just by being a sexy feminist.

Not getting why she thinks Beyoncé is a fantastic musician, though.

Most importantly, Greer has been an unafraid critic of the transgender movement, and she is 100% correct about it.

I once got into an argument about quilting with GG. It was during a guest lecture series at the University of Wisconsin. She scared the hell out of me but I held my own. Proud moment for an 18 year old. I doubt either of us have argued quilting since. A formidable woman for sure.

Greer is a laughing stock and a pig. No one takes her seriously anymore.

[quote]Germaine Greer criticises Beyoncé: 'Why has she always got to be naked?'

Why does Germaine Greer always have to be so tiresome?

Why do people like Greer always believe their their way is the only right way to do anything. What, you HAVE to be unattractive to be a feminist? You MUST NOT acknowledge your sexuality to be a feminist?

Seems to me that Beyonce, as much as I dislike her, has reshaped her world to suit herself. How could you possibly say that that isn't the essence of empowerment or feminism?

No one is serious anymore. That's what separates Greer from popularity.

I agree with most of what Germaine has to say, but do Australian women ever shut the fuck up?

R51 Yes, her songs 'Bootlicious' and 'Cater to You' were so feministy

I'm a music major and I tried to gently bring this topic up to my fellow musicians in class one day (female singers needing to trade on sexuality or else) and was roundly dismissed by teacher and classmates. Do not attempt to criticize Beyonce even in the context of feminist empowerment...YOU WILL PAY

" What, you HAVE to be unattractive to be a feminist? You MUST NOT acknowledge your sexuality to be a feminist?"

That's not it at all. But the only option for a female singer now is to trade on her sexuality. Talented but less attractive singers are left out. Someone like Ella Fitzgerald would never have made it in today's music world.

R49, what did you two say about quilting? I'm really curious.

She's an Anglo feminist. She, like the rest of the Anglo feminists, will never shake their Anglo/Protestant uneasiness about sex and nudity. Also, just because Beyonce shows skin doesn't mean she's naked. Again, more Anglo nonsense.

[quote][R51] Yes, her songs 'Bootlicious' and 'Cater to You' were so feministy

Yes, in your narrow and limited view, I'm sure they don't qualify. The fact that the woman singing it has made millions from them is beside the point. The fact that her celebrity (as undeserved as I may think it is) makes millions of people hang on her every (silly) word and idea and opinion.

It goes back to my initial point - who made Greer the arbiter of what is or isn't feminism. Isn't feminism ultimately about the empowerment of a woman to surpass whatever boundaries that traditional roles try to enforce on her? Isn't it about taking back power, rather than being helpless?

Ultimately, isn't feminism about having the freedom and power to shape your own fate and destiny and not have it limited by gender?

"Why do people like Greer always believe their their way is the only right way to do anything."

Straw man argument.

R59 That is third wave feminism, or mens rights activists talking points, no real feminist buys that ridiculous shite that is the exact opposite of actual feminist theory

r61 Germaine Greer doesn't think we should all strive for equality.

Women happily degrading themselves is supposed to be empowering?

[quote]She, like the rest of the Anglo feminists, will never shake their Anglo/Protestant uneasiness about sex and nudity.

Do you know anything at all about Germaine Greer?

R62 is trans, I guarantee it.

r65 I like Germaine Greer and I like putting my cock up power bottoms. Does that answer your presumption?

Is it a female cock?

Ironically Germaine Greer has shown more skin than Beyonce.

Why is this has been picking on Beyonce? Kim Kardashian is the one who's naked all the time. Beyonce doesn't even take the kinds of photos Kim does. But she never said anything about that.

Racist bitch!

[quote]No, they have all had to be naked in the past 20 years. It is big anti-feminism backlash.

Yup. It started with the Spice Girls, when they co-opted the whole "girl power" thing from riot grrrl movement and started riding the female empowerment wave. Remember how right before they debuted, everyone was talking about how female singer-songwriters had finally arrived in the music industry? Remember how they dominated the charts? (Alanis Morisette, Bonnie Raitt, Tori Amos, Bjork, Lisa Loeb, Sheryl Crow) Then all of a sudden, the Spice Girls came out giggling about "girl power" and "female empowerment" in hooker boots and miniskirts. Next thing you know, we got Britney Spears with her jail bait act, Shakira shaking her hips, Christina Aguilera and other women like Kylie Minogue and Fergie who used their sexuality to sell their records. Now here we are, 20 years later, with Nicki Minaj squatting in thongs, Jennifer Lopez singing about "big booty" and female singers dressed like hookers.

I never thought in a million years that the Spice Girls would be the act to completely subvert feminism. I just thought they'd be a passing fad. But no, they were one of the first Trojan horses.

Exactly R30.

Kim Kardashian is the one who's naked all the time.

Literally naked every week on instagram. But this woman only wants to pick on Beyonce!

KIM KARDASHIAN IS THE NAKED ONE!!!!

IT'S KIM KARDASHIAN!!!!!

R30 Is a woke Gen Y twitter activist with an iPhone, instagram account, neckbeard and loves Uber.

R14 LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh my sides!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, her defense of pedophiles really cemented her reputation as a great thinker. You're as nuts as she is!

Greer says that Islam has nothing to do with female genital mutilation. She's one of THOSE.

You mean she only types in uppercase?

R76 No darling, try harder. That wasn't even remotely witty. God this place has gone downhill.

[quote]I once got into an argument about quilting with GG. It was during a guest lecture series at the University of Wisconsin. She scared the hell out of me but I held my own.

And what was the argument about exactly? Machine vs. hand-sewned? Sounds intense.

I'll delete this thread. Like the comment sections in most online publications just not interested in. Black issues. Have my own issues. Not my legacy.

[quote]She's an Anglo feminist.

Some weird prejudice going on here. Can't attack the truth so you are trying to attack the ethnic background.

All the feminist greats were "Anglo"

[quote]No, they have all had to be naked in the past 20 years. It is big anti-feminism backlash. Yup. It started with the Spice Girls, when they co-opted the whole "girl power"

MADONNA. Then the Spice Girls. The Spice Girls were so that children (young girls) would learn.. Then they all had to be naked and "'hos" ...forever. It was totally at the same time of the backlash against feminism - this was the marketing and promotion of the backlash. Yeah, and now we are at Nikki Minaj and the rest. And the big cowards at "academia", dumbed-down and cowardly proclaiming in their junk classes that this junk it is "empowering" and "feminist" as they said (were told to say) about prostitution ("sex work"). It is easy to see how this brain-dead bunch could be bullied and bossed around by men in dresses saying they are women.

Hashtag hipster liberalism was Corporate America's wet dream. Passing off female prostitution as female empowerment. Hipsters are just sexist homophobic frat boys with th added dash of pretentiousness.

Same as in the 90s when Ladism sold porn in a supposedly "ironic" way.

Count me as another curious about the Great Quilting Call-Out. We're either of you "reclaiming" quilting as evidence of sisterly solidarity in the service of female spaces and culture?

R45. Peter, Paul and Mary made the decision to not allow Mary to speak during their concerts. They thought she looked sexier, mysterious if she didn't speak. It was still about the babe presenting as an object of desire.

[quote]MADONNA.

No, not Madonna. Madonna had zero impact on the music industry in terms of how women should dress and act. Female singers didn't start dressing slutty because of her; if anything, they dressed even more conservatively after she came out. (Madonna's contemporaries: Whitney Houston, Lisa Stanfield, Anita Baker, Toni Braxton, etc.)

Madonna had so little impact, in fact, that she came very close to becoming obsolete herself after Riot Grrrls and the Singer-Songwriter Brigade (Fiona Apple, Bonnie Raitt, etc.) began sweeping the charts in 1990s. Why do you think she completely dropped her sex shtick in the 1990s with Ray of Light and even went so far as to perform in concert while playing guitar when before it was all sexy dance routines and cone bras? That was Madonna at the time waving the white flag, going, "Okay, I get it. It's all about the Sheryl Crows, the Lisa Loebs, the Courtney Loves now."

The point being is that she didn't launch this current pop tart phenomenon. Her sex shtick had been long played out before the Spice Girls came along (it peaked with the Sex book, which came out in in '92), and there was a long period of time when it was all about the Singer-Songwriters and Riot Grrls. Then came the Spice Girls and it was all downhill from there, with Britney Spears, Kylie Minogue, Shakira, Christina Aguilera, Fergie, etc. They were the ones who said, "Nah, it's all about being sex kittens and eye candy for the men."

PT. 1

No it was Madonna, Madonna was the first of this. I agree that the Spice Girls were a big, big push definitely. At the same time there was a lot of sexist stuff with hip hop.

Madonna, 80s

[quote]No it was Madonna, Madonna was the first of this.

You are wrong. Dead wrong. It was the Spice Girls.

Even if we could say for the sake of argument that a female artist that preceded the Spice Girls started the pop tart phenomenon, I find it bizarre that everyone's laying the blame at the feet of Madonna. What about Cher? She is the one who, long before Madonna came on the scene, wore highly sexualized outfits . She is, in fact, the forerunner of today's trashy Las Vegas Showgirls aesthetic. Not Madonna.

Cher, 1974

Cher, 1979

Yes, but at the time, that was just Cher. Oh, that's Cher.

Cher was never pushed the way Madonna was.

Madonna started out slutty with her first album and she had to tone it down in the mid eighties with coy stuff like Papa Don't Preach. Earnest female singer song writes were present in the Seventies and Eighties, eg Joni Mitchell, Chrissy Hyne, Suzanne Vega, Tracey Chapman, Melissa Etheridge, Natalie Merchant. Madonna was famous for taking charge of her sexuality, using sex as a weapon, being a shrewd business woman, and she wanted to be black, and for her ability to stay famous even though her singing and music was not the best.

Cher, 1974.

BTW, just to emphasize, I'm not posting this to make the case that Cher is to blame for today's issue with female artists. I repeat. This started with the Spice Girls. They were the ones who undermined feminism by conflating "girl power" with sexual objectification. They were the ones who taught millions of preteen girls that it was being feminist to giggle like an idiot, fall out of your dress, wear hooker boots and squeal "Girl Power!"every two seconds.

I'm just posting these Cher picks to thwart what feels like trolling to me on the part of anti-Madonna posters.

BTW, here's an old interview with the Spice Girls from 1995. You can hear it straight from the horses' mouths: female empowerment is all about wearing short skirts and stupid shit.

[quote]"There is a new attitude, girls are taking control. If you want to wear a short skirt, then you go on and wear it. You should wear what you want."

The group in question.

[quote]Cher was never pushed the way Madonna was.

LOL, Cher, who:

1) dominated Top 40 radio and did duets with some of the greatest music legends (David Bowie, Tina Turner, etc.)

2) was all over television (had her own variety show and guest starred on so many shows in the 1970s)

3) was all over the silver screen (Silkwood, Mask, Moonstruck, etc.)

4) constantly made headlines with her splashy outfits at various award shows

was "never pushed."

You are such a millennial, LOL.

How old are you r70?

Madonna was long before all of that, she was the one who brought us female singers as pieces of meat. Madonna lowered the bar for women in music.

Just think about this Tina Turner, who came along long before all these women performed (along with the back up singers) in very revealing outfits. No one in the media ever referred to her as whoring herself or being degraded or anything along those lines. That's because it was clear that it was for entertainment purposes. It was just a costume. Tina was respected as a dynamic entertainer and a personality that conducted interviews with dignity and class. Period. It had no effect on everyday women out in the world.

Madonna comes along and suddenly young women follow everything she is doing and it brings not only the quality of musical talent down but pulls regular young women into needing, wanting to look and act like whores and strippers in order to be considered attractive and get male attention. It was a total mind fuck to women because suddenly their desirability suddenly hinged on how far they were willing to go to degrade themselves for guys. Of course it wasn't put in those terms but that is what it amounted to.

The most legendary female singers are not necessarily physically attractive. That's because there was a time we could appreciate things, all kinds of things, without them having to be packaged perfectly. We had the ability identify quality, so that is what we chose. It didn't have to be nearly naked, or all that shiny because it was real.

"Madonna was long before all of that, she was the one who brought us female singers as pieces of meat."

You must be joking.

Spice Girls just picked up on what Madonna was doing. Spice Girls started 1994. No way in hell Spice Girls started all of this.

Madonna was more than a decade before. Without Madonna there is no Spice Girls. Madonna had already sunk low enough that anyone who came after her could continue without much backlash.

[quote]How old are you [R70]?

Old enough to remember watching Cher on the Carol Burnett Show and when she was still part of Sonny and Cher and hadn't even gone solo yet. Old enough to remember when Charo went "Cootchie Cootchie."

Did I answer your question?

Those are women r98?

I was talking about women. Men have always been able to rock out with their cock out if they wanted. No one really cares what we do as long as we aren't kissing another man.

Yes r70 you answered my question.

So you are just an idiot then. Got it.

[quote]Yes [R70] you answered my question. So you are just an idiot then. Got it.

Aww, why am I an idiot? Because I shamed and embarrassed you when it turned out I was much older than you thought I was?

But thank you for your response. You just exposed yourself as a troll. So, *plonk.*

[quote][R59] That is third wave feminism, or mens rights activists talking points, no real feminist buys that ridiculous shite that is the exact opposite of actual feminist theory

Personally, I don't claim, nor ever plan to claim, that I am, was, or ever will be a feminist - whatever "third wave" feminism is. a

And the level of stupid with men's rights activism makes every point every made about insecure men come to life in vivid color.

And, I'll ask again, what makes you or her or anyone else the grand arbiter of who is or is not a feminist. Sure, I'll grant you that these silly men claiming to be feminists are by definition not feminists.

But, as I don't really care all that much about Greer thinks and even less about Beyonce or whether she is or is not a feminist or role model for women, or frankly whether she's ever naked or not (being a gay man and all), I'm out.

As the DL icon would say, "honey, I have my own problems."

[quote]Some weird prejudice going on here. Can't attack the truth so you are trying to attack the ethnic background. All the feminist greats were "Anglo"

No, you missed that poster's point.

There's been a huge controversy within feminism for years about the double standard in the way feminists (who are traditionally white and privileged women) talk about and treat minorities. For example, Lena Dunham putting out a call to arms to support all victims of sex abuse but then sticking up for a writer who was accused of sexually assaulting Aurora Perrineau, a black woman.

Just for the record, I agree with Germaine Greer about Beyonce "always being naked." But I think the poster might've been saying, "Well, so is Miley Cyrus. So is Iggy Azalea. So are other white female artists. Why single Beyonce out?"

[quote]There's been a huge controversy within feminism for years about the double standard in the way feminists (who are traditionally white and privileged women) talk about and treat minorities. For example, Lena Dunham putting out a call to arms to support all victims of sex abuse but then sticking up for a writer who was accused of sexually assaulting Aurora Perrineau, a black woman.

No, you have missed MY point. I am sick of people talking about "WHITE FEMINISM" which is an utter bs attack of feminism, period. This is used to attack REAL feminists - by phonies. I am not talking about idiots like Lena Dunham.

Lena Dumbham is another story altogether. SHE IS NOT A FEMINIST. She is a PHONY and part of the "THIRD WAVE" PHONY FEMINISM which is ANTI-FEMINISM. She is an idiot, a fake, making money. These anti-feminists that pretend to be feminists have been making money, period, in the media and in "academia" by attacking genuine feminism. So you do not have to bring race into it at all.

[quote]No, you have missed MY point.

Wow, the nutjobs are out in full force today on DL.

R58 said Greer criticizing Beyonce was an expression of her being white--in other words, imposing white middle class values (notions of propriety, sex, etc.) onto a woman of color.

R80 said that the comment was prejudiced and then stuck up for white feminists by saying the greatest ones were white. And then I came back to try to explain that R58 wasn't trying to hate on white feminists. It's just that there's been this huge issue in feminism now where white feminists are marginalizing women of color by virtue of being affluent, coming from a background that's culturally different, or of adopting a racist double standard.

Now you're ranting that I "missed your point"? You're clearly not R58 (who made the Anglo remark) or R80 (who was defending white feminists by saying the greatest ones were white), so where the hell are you even coming from ranting at me that I "missed your point?" You weren't part of the conversation in the first place, weirdo.

I saw a woman on Pinterest get dragged for saying that Beyonce was not a good role model for young black girls because of this very reason. Also because of her obvious plastic surgery and fake weaves.

I despise the BEYHIVE!

Is this nincompoop Beyhive troll really arguing that an almost-forgotten upper middle-class critic is “marginalizing” one of the wealthiest women in the world?

Good Lord, the Democrats are truly doomed. It’s sad that the Left has forgotten its labor roots.

Sour grapes from an old hag who nobody wants to fuck anymore. Bette Midler is another judgmental crone.

People come on the thread to say they hate older women or white people. So progressive!

Can someone tell me what BEY has done for anyone other than herself and her family? Some of you sound as if she's the second coming. She hasn't done a thing for you except make you part with your money to buy her manufactured music.

I couldn't agree more: being thoroughly dressed is such a sign of women emancipation!

[quote] It's just that there's been this huge issue in feminism now where white feminists are marginalizing women of color by virtue of being affluent, coming from a background that's culturally different, or of adopting a racist double standard.

Yes. I am not saying it is you. But really, these are a bunch of idiots attacking other idiots. We have had anti-feminism being pushed as feminism since the 80s. People do not even know what feminism is anymore . I think people should attack Dunham. She is an idiot and certainly no feminist - her big hit show was exploiting women and full of sexist crap. So she is an idiot and certainly not emblematic of "feminism" or "white people." And she has said stupid things all the time, not just about black people. I do not really trust people who attack her as a "feminist" when she isn't one, either...

PS: People attack genuine feminists, yes the good ones (not the idiot Dunham) as a political tactic. It is a political attack on the idea of feminism, period (real feminism for all women of all backgrounds). This is a big part of it - though I realize people just repeat this unthinkingly and think they are saying some "progressive."

Women have been sexualized this way in entertainment since the 1960s. Innumerable women singers and actresses spent their careers nearly popping out of their clothes for the last 60 years.

Bringing this up now, after (for example) Sophia Loren made a name for herself by being topless everywhere back in 1951 is ridiculous.

Oh for fuck's sake, r109. "I don't like what a Beyonce fan said" does not equal "the entire Democratic Party is doomed forever."

Some of you are too stupid to breathe.

R58 You say she's 'Anglo/Protestant'.

She was raised in an Australian Catholic school.

The whole "Anglo" thing is a slur

R117 is swimming in a river in Egypt

Beyoncé is a dumb person who always has a team to think for her. She’s getting old and ugly. She steals other people’s work and cannot write songs. Look at her thunder thighs 😂

And why does she keep bleaching her skin and dye her hair blond? Isn’t she proud to be black? 😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

Typical low class black people who desperately want to be white

Keep hating Jay-Z and Beyonce both are on a sold out world tour as we speak.

And their going to make a fucking killing as they always do.

STAY MAD!!!!!!!!

So? McDonald's sells a lot of burgers, too.

[Quote] She’s getting old and ugly. Look at her thunder thighs 😂

2/10

[quote] Just for the record, I agree with Germaine Greer about Beyonce "always being naked." But I think the poster might've been saying, "Well, so is Miley Cyrus. So is Iggy Azalea. So are other white female artists. Why single Beyonce out?"

Could it just be because Beyonce is more famous than the others? Both Miley and Iggy seem to be fizzling out. Their sexuality opened doors for them, but without the talent to back it up, they couldn't hold on to their fame for too long.

Because:

1) Tits & ass sells.

2) Beyonce has almost no singing talent.

3) Beyonce is dumber than a box of rocks.

[quote] They were the ones who undermined feminism by conflating "girl power" with sexual objectification.

I don't think they were undermining feminism at all which is why I disagree with Greer. No one bats an eye when the various metal bands from the 80s who performed half naked and with skin tight pants. Madonna showed that women could be just as risque as men. We're living in weird times these days where women get shamed for it. It seems regressive.

I think Camille Paglia's early idolatry of Madonna was 100% right. Germaine Greer seems stuck in the past.

I still say Kim Kardashian is the worst offender of celebrity nudity

Instagram weekly to sell whatever products she's trying to sell. And everything always end up sold out. So I guess why stop what's clearly bringing the $$$$$ in.

But I know this woman is talking about female singers, but still.

I expected a lot of shit talking in this thread but it's surprisingly illuminating. A lot of good music recommendations to boot.

Iggy Azalea displaying her musical talent on her twitter account.

R131, that is music!

R118, and the majority of the feminist leaders here in the U.S. are Jewish women and they have the same hang up. They grew up in an Anglo/Protestant country. They can't shake their uneasiness about sex and nudity.

R119, not at all a slur just tired of the prudishness.

It has nothing to do with "prudishness," but I realize that that is a very old word, a very old tactic that is used to attempt to shut women up.

Beyonce and Jay-Z.

Why does Jay-Z dress like that? Why is Jay-Z a prude?

Is Jay-Z a prude?

R134, the irony reeks.

R135 & R136, you're as smart as a bag of hammers. Wow!

The irony? Do you mean "LOL, the irony?"

It's not just music; it's society in general. Take a look at news anchors. The men wear 3-piece suits in the summer, and the women wear sleeveless blouses/dresses in the winter. Look at the Oscars. The women are having a contest to see who dares to wear the least amount of clothing, while the men seem to be competing to see who can wear the most clothing.

Why are there no "business shorts and formal tank tops for men? Why is that culturally unacceptable?

Therein is the dichotomy, r139.

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"I'm tired of you looking like a slut all the time. Put some clothes on!"

“They can't shake their uneasiness about sex and nudity.”

Nonsense. What they don’t like is women being like some organ grinder’s monkey and showing tits and ass when men throw a few coins at them.

Just look at how well Madonna is handling that no one wants to see her tits anymore - do you really think that her tits and ass show was on HER terms?

R144 Yes

R120 is a retarded troll who doesn't know that Gremaine Greer has nothing nothing to do with American politics.

Greer is a cunt. No man would touch her. Mother to us all, Zsa Zsa Gabor, tried to help her once on a talk show. Greer just pouted and passed violent gas until everyone- studio audience, the crew, the host, and finally Gabor herself- felt compelled to flee.

R147 She had more men than you

[quote]Mother to us all, Zsa Zsa Gabor,

Jesus fucking Christ get off this thread. Time for Bingo and some pudding.

R149: A lot of eldergays have been sundowning on here lately....

[quote]Nonsense. What they don’t like is women being like some [bold]organ grinder’s monkey[/bold] and showing tits and ass when men throw a few coins at them.

Just look at how well Madonna is handling that no one wants to see her tits anymore - do you really think that her tits and ass show was on HER terms?

Keep it classy!

Again, more prudish hysteria. Their audiences, especially Beyonce's audience, is mostly women. This idea of men throwing a few coins at them or dressing and behaving the way that they do for men is ridiculous. Their audience is women and that is who they entertain.

“Again, more prudish hysteria. ”

You are not an analytical thinker, are you?

I wish I were white

R152, you can't even refute what I wrote. You're too busy calling Beyonce an organ grinder’s monkey.

Greer has been certifiably insane for decades.

QUILTING REVEALED - during a lecture GG stated that hanging quilts on walls to display as art was a violation of the quilter’s intention and therefore wrong & ridiculous. I, as a very urbane morbidly obese closeted 18-year old from WI later suggested that perhaps the perception of the audience defined art as much as or more so than the original intention of the creator. I also suggested that since neither of us were quilters perhaps our opinions were just conjecture. Somehow that morphed into an exchange about the inevitability of all life on Earth ending in nuclear war. When I said surely some living thing, even a cockroach would survive I was called “an optimistic American who needed his hand held when being confronted with the truth.” I smiled and shrugged my shoulders. Afterward at the reception she was very warm. GG said she enjoyed hearing from people with other points of view and that I should protect my instinct to express myself. I left happy to have met her.

Cute, funny story, R156

How sad for Germaine. Interesting and meaningful life and now she's just a cranky old lady. Lauren Bacall also comes to mind.

[quote] I wish I were white—Skin bleaching Beyoncé

Have you taken a recent look at L'il Kim?

“you can't even refute what I wrote. You're too busy calling Beyonce an organ grinder’s monkey.”

Why would I refute what I didn’t write? I wrote about Madonna in my post, that’s why I questioned your thinking skills. You got all wet thinking RACISM so you didn’t even read what I wrote. Here, I’ll throw you a bone: women like Madonna, Beyoncé, Rhianna, Miley, etc. are mens’ house niggers and are handsomely rewarded for cheerfully and willingly degrading themselves in the name of “owning their sexuality”.

I frankly don’t give a shit but why not call it as it is.

There are some that do and some that do not. I don't recall Adele overexposing herself. Or Florence Welch.

But when your songs are about sexuality and part of your image is your sexiness, then you can't be dowdy. Personally, I think Christina Aguilara's 'dirty' phase was just embarrassing to watch and it didn't really fit.

Then you have Mariah Carey trying to make sexiness her thing and it never was. No one was ever calling for those clothes, but she does it time and again. Mariah is NOT sexy at all - and she doesn't have to do it - but assumingly she likes it.

Beyonce is a sex symbol - so is Brittney. Sex symbols use sex. Men aren't allowed to express much of anything so to make the comparisons are ridiculous.

R160, first you call Beyonce an organ grinder’s monkey and then a house nigger. Then claim I am the one bringing up race LOL. You're such a classy guy. You're on a roll. I"ll give you this though, the hysteria is entertaining.

[quote] Beyonce is a sex symbol - so is Brittney. Sex symbols use sex. Men aren't allowed to express much of anything so to make the comparisons are ridiculous.

Tell that to every R&B singer. PLEASE!

R146. Well, she did tell Dan Rather to fuck right off on live TV during a Democratic Convention she covered in the 60's. So there is a tenuous connection.

[quote]Just look at how well Madonna is handling that no one wants to see her tits anymore

Not sure if this is sarcasm.

R161 Beyoncé is a sexmonkey, not sexsymbol.

Your whole body hangs from my cheekbones

Love r59's argument that earning millions of dollars is proof of feminist credentials. When did feminism become was obnoxious and materialistic?

Women should be entitled to do what they want without the constant criticism and judgement. They should be able to decide themselves whether to go naked and exploit their sexuality (as Beyoncé does, following Madonna ‘s decades old example) or wear a burka to the beach. Telling women what to do, what to wear and limit their choices is opression. R51 is the voice of reason in this thread. The double standard of the cretin Greer (who is NOT a Shakespeare scholar) where her naked photos are ok but Beyoncé’s less revealing performance outfits is ‘exploitation’ is patronizing.

I think her clothes are fine. What I'd like to see stop is all the simulated sex disguised as dancing. That goes for all the pop acts, too.

R168, except all of that is done for men

I am white, not African American.

R170 Exactly

[quote]Women should be entitled to do what they want without the constant criticism and judgement.

But that’s what you’re doing to Greer: criticising and judging her. 😂

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I like Greer but I agree with r168's last argument. It would be very interesting if Greer addressed her old naked pictures, and if she stands for them, what is the difference between them and the sexualization of female celebrities.

Thanks for the quilting convo info. I was afraid Greer would say quilting was a waste because of women sublimating creative energy into an acceptable-to-the-patriarchy endeavor or something. I love quilts and have several on my walls.

It was an interesting documentary. It's on the BBC iplayer if you've got access to it.