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Sen Sanders: There is not a lot of love, frankly, for either the Democratic or Republican Party

He is correct that there are more independents than either Dems or Repubs among the voters, although this is not a new trend. The independent vote has been on the rise since 2008 (35% to 41%).

He is correct about the health care and education and campaign finance reform (although, he was a beneficiary of PAC money during the election).

He wants independents to save the Democratic Party from Democrats. But how will he run in 2020 if he doesn't intend to rejoin the Democratic Party?

-- Bernie Sanders was the runner-up for the Democratic nomination to be president in 2016, and he’s considering another try in 2020, but the [bold]Vermont senator remains adamant that he will not become a member of the party.[/bold]

-- “According to polling that I have seen, there are more people who now consider themselves independents than who are Democrats or Republicans,” replied Sanders. “[bold]There is not a lot of love, frankly, for either the Democratic or Republican Party and many people are discouraged with both. They’re turning away from both.[/bold] So I think it is not a bad idea to have somebody who says, ‘I understand that. I am an independent. … I have had to run against Democrats. But [bold]I want you, as independents, to come into the Democratic primaries and transform the Democratic Party.[/bold]’”

-- In 2018, the 76-year-old says he is focused on coasting to a third term as Vermont’s junior senator. [bold]His name will appear on the Democratic primary ballot in the state’s August primary.[/bold] But when he wins, he will formally decline the nomination and run as an independent in the general election. [bold]Doing it this way ensures he will have no Democratic challenger.[/bold]

-- He is also nervous about the growing number of Democratic billionaires who are wading into politics and pushing the party toward more plutocratic policies. He fears this will entrench what he sees as an oligarchy that already controls the country. // "“Look, there are billionaires out there who are very decent people, who are smart people, who are well-intentioned people,” said Sanders. “But they shouldn’t have the right to run for office any more than a working stiff, who is also decent and bright, but can’t afford to raise the millions of dollars that are needed for a campaign. So, yeah, I do have real concerns about that.”

-- For Democrats to be united in 2020, [bold]Sanders said it is imperative the party reduce the number of superdelegates who will be able to choose the nominee.[/bold]

-- [bold]He also wants to open more primaries[/bold] so that people who aren’t registered as members of the party can still participate.

-- He said the two major parties are jointly responsible for trade deals that he thinks hurt workers.

-- Sanders has had mixed success this year as he’s traveled the country endorsing candidates in Democratic primaries.

-- By his count, he’s visited about 30 states since President Trump got elected and most were carried by the president. “Because I think it's important to talk to Trump supporters and to say to them, ‘Look, we understand,’” he said. “No question about it, some Trump supporters are racist, are sexist, are homophobes. … I don't think the majority of them are. I think these are people in many cases who feel the establishment has ignored them. And you know what? The establishment has ignored them! Both political parties have ignored them!”

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by Anonymousreply 60June 9, 2018 11:50 AM

Gearing up to sow dissent again.

by Anonymousreply 1June 8, 2018 7:44 PM

There's a lot more love for Dems then there has been for his endorsed candidates who have repeatedly lost

by Anonymousreply 2June 8, 2018 7:47 PM

[quote]Vermont senator remains adamant that he will not become a member of the party.

If Sanders refuses to become a member of the Democrats, they should refuse to allow him to run for the Democratic nomination.

In most countries, you have to be a member of a party to run for its leadership.

The Dems made this mistake in 2016, and they must correct it for 2020.

by Anonymousreply 3June 8, 2018 7:49 PM

Let's remember during the election when he promised to remain a Dem regardless of whether he won or lost. It was a bold face lie

by Anonymousreply 4June 8, 2018 7:50 PM

Unfortunately, this is the kind of reasoning that Sanders breeds:

@EllenHopkinsLit

[quote]He doesn't seem to be splitting up dems. He's calling for independents to vote for actual progressive democrats rather than those who are in the pockets of the rich. The message is directed towards independents, not democrats.

[quote]I'm personally an independent because the Democratic Party isn't liberal enough for me. I would vote for a democrat who is like Bernie Sanders, but I would never vote for a corporatist democrat.

@Gabebiello

[quote]Then you are a Trump supporter. People like you are why he is President. Must be nice to not have to suffer the consequences of your actions. Families that are being separated at the border don't have that luxury.

ShanaBanana

[quote]No. The DNC chose a shitty candidate. It's not my fault that Hillary Clinton was in the pockets of millionaires.

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by Anonymousreply 5June 8, 2018 7:51 PM

I am adamantly irrelevant!

by Anonymousreply 6June 8, 2018 7:53 PM

He can fuck off, the Putin stooge

by Anonymousreply 7June 8, 2018 7:55 PM

Bee gone Sanders. You only care about yourself.

by Anonymousreply 8June 8, 2018 7:58 PM

If they didn't have the homophobic, religious component most of DL would vote Republican.

Enjoy four more Trump years when you pick another Clinton-esq corporate stooge to run in 2020.

Idiots.

by Anonymousreply 9June 8, 2018 7:59 PM

I supported Hillary all through 2016, and despised Sanders, but I can see in hindsight that he was more in-tune with the electorate than the mainstream Democratic party. He would have beaten Trump. If he runs in 2020 and wins the nomination, then I will fully support him, just like I did Hillary. In the modern age of politics, it's all about charisma and excitement, and he had it in spades in 2016, while Hillary had none.

I used to get mad that he wouldn't join the Democratic party, but it really doesn't make any difference at the end of the day. He's more liberal than 99% of the party, so who cares what he calls himself?

by Anonymousreply 10June 8, 2018 8:06 PM

If you say something over and over in the media it becomes true. "The Democrats are in trouble"; they "have no focus"; they "don't recognize the common man".

The mainstream media is in the business to generate ratings, and conflict means ratings.

by Anonymousreply 11June 8, 2018 8:07 PM

[quote]If he runs in 2020 and wins the nomination, then I will fully support him

He shouldn't be allowed to run for the nomination unless he joins the Democrats.

by Anonymousreply 12June 8, 2018 8:14 PM

I think saying you need to join us (at no personal cost yourself) to have access to our networks and resources is completely reasonable!

Not to mention he thinks himself so holy because he spurns corporate cash, but wants DNC resources which were paid for by, guess what, corporate cash. He doesn't have a real strategy to win without. He just wants other to do the dirty work so he can keep his highly inflated opinion of himself

by Anonymousreply 13June 8, 2018 8:19 PM

Right on r9

R10 they are in trouble. They should have won. What do they stand for? They don’t have a focus other than hating the current situation. Are they talking about gun control? Not that I’ve noticed beyond one day when something happens. I sure got the message from the other side that o and h were coming to take them; even though it was a lie. Are they on tv talking about healthcare for everyone? Nope, that was Bernie talking about it last night. And reminded everybody that the current prez said he’d do it but has done the opposite. Could the dems talk about that even? Nope, not that I’ve noticed.

by Anonymousreply 14June 8, 2018 8:21 PM

Question for people who HATE Hillary:

How is she or her policies different from Obama’s...?

by Anonymousreply 15June 8, 2018 8:29 PM

R14. The Dems DID win.

Clapper says the presidency was STOLEN.

by Anonymousreply 16June 8, 2018 8:30 PM

He will split the Dem vote and stick us with Trump for another 4 years.

by Anonymousreply 17June 8, 2018 8:33 PM

[quote][R10] they are in trouble.

You hate Dems that much that you don't want to acknowledge the progress they've been making in the past year.

[quote]They should have won. What do they stand for? They don’t have a focus other than hating the current situation. Are they talking about gun control?

I take it form your questions that you avoid reading about Democrats altogether or you would not be asking these questions.

[quote]Not that I’ve noticed beyond one day when something happens.

That's pretty clear. You not noticing things, I mean.

[quote]I sure got the message from the other side that o and h were coming to take them; even though it was a lie. Are they on tv talking about healthcare for everyone? Nope, that was Bernie talking about it last night. And reminded everybody that the current prez said he’d do it but has done the opposite.

You watch Sanders and you are aware of what he says. And you don't follow Dems and you are unaware of what they say. Make sense.

[quote]Could the dems talk about that even? Nope, not that I’ve noticed.

How could you when you actively avoid anything Dem related.

by Anonymousreply 18June 8, 2018 8:38 PM

Sanders should go back to sulking in the Socialist Party and stop pretending to be a Democrat. We are fierce Democrats, and he is not one of us. Go away.

by Anonymousreply 19June 8, 2018 8:40 PM

Hillary Clinton won more independent primaries than Bernie. Bernie did well in the very undemocratic caucuses. Does he want to do away with those?

by Anonymousreply 20June 8, 2018 8:42 PM

R18 it’s not that complicated. I watch cnn. You must not since you seem unaware Bernie was on it last night. Should I be watching Fox News to find out what the dems are focusing on. I notice you’ve taken the time to respond to me but have said nothing about what they are fighting for currently.

by Anonymousreply 21June 8, 2018 8:43 PM

[quote]He's more liberal than 99% of the party, so who cares what he calls himself?

You benefit from a system that you belong to - that's how symbiosis works. Why should Sanders be exempt from this?

by Anonymousreply 22June 8, 2018 8:43 PM

[quote]I think saying you need to join us (at no personal cost yourself) to have access to our networks and resources is completely reasonable!

I would have agreed with this 100% just a few months ago, but I've gotten over it. This kind of stuff doesn't matter to most people.

You have to ask yourself, "Do I want to be right, or do I want to win?" I WANT TO WIN!

by Anonymousreply 23June 8, 2018 8:46 PM

R16 if you and the dems really think they won then why are they not screaming about it every day?

by Anonymousreply 24June 8, 2018 8:47 PM

[quote]You have to ask yourself, "Do I want to be right, or do I want to win?" I WANT TO WIN!

But Sanders wants to be RIGHT, even if it costs Democrats.

Also, the primaries are showing that the Democratic base has not shifted since 2016.

by Anonymousreply 25June 8, 2018 8:50 PM

There are a lot of independents, yes, Bernie. But they are mostly independent because they are somethere in-between the two parties in ideology, NOT because they are to the left of the Democrats. Did Stein's performance in 2016 not clue him and the bernbots into this?

by Anonymousreply 26June 8, 2018 8:50 PM

r19 Physically cringed reading that, I hope you're a troll, or a 10 year old girl

[quote]We are fierce Democrats, and he is not one of us.

"We are demo-cwats hear us ROAR!!!"

Oh and Sanders is nothing close to being a socialist sadly.

by Anonymousreply 27June 8, 2018 8:52 PM

We have no idea if Bernie would have won. He was more of a candidate for the moment I agree. But let's remember he has never had a negative ad run against him. He would have faced a deluge in the general like any candidate.

Hillary's team (probably correctly) thought that running negative ads against him would hurt her more than him and encourage rebuttals, while VT is so blue he hasn't had a serious race in decades. There are many statements he made, especially about oppressive, nominally communist regimes, that would rub many people the wrong way that no voter ever heard. None of his worst votes in congress were ever thrown in his face

by Anonymousreply 28June 8, 2018 8:53 PM

r15 Yes I hate them both why?

They're both right wing DINO's who's views 20-30 years ago would have been mainstream Republican positions.

Obama himself has always described himself as a conservative Democrat, and boy did he show it in his 8 years in charge.

by Anonymousreply 29June 8, 2018 8:55 PM

R29 if Obama is right wing to you, then you need to accept your views are way out of the American mainstream. That's fine, but democracy is based on proportional representation. It's foolish to expect your fringe views to win out

by Anonymousreply 30June 8, 2018 8:56 PM

[quote]There are many statements he made, especially about oppressive, nominally communist regimes, that would rub many people the wrong way that no voter ever heard

Really, because one thing that incensed me and many on the left was when he referred to Hugo Chavez as a "dead communist dictator"., I didn't have much time for him before that but that really pissed me off.

by Anonymousreply 31June 8, 2018 8:57 PM

I think what people are so angry about is the Democrats have moved to the right when absolutely no one wanted them to. The electorate didn't want them to and it's showed with the results they get. So what has made them move so far to the right over the last 20 years?

You see the exact same thing with Labour in the UK, although thankfully that slide is being turned around.

by Anonymousreply 32June 8, 2018 9:00 PM

Oh really R32? Whats a right wing position democrats took?

by Anonymousreply 33June 8, 2018 9:01 PM

[quote] His name will appear on the Democratic primary ballot in the state’s August primary. But when he wins, he will formally decline the nomination and run as an independent in the general election. Doing it this way ensures he will have no Democratic challenger.

This is such a fucking asinine thing to do. I fucking hate this asshole.

by Anonymousreply 34June 8, 2018 9:05 PM

He's like that large thing in the toilet bowl that just won't go away no matter how manu times you hit "flush".

by Anonymousreply 35June 8, 2018 9:07 PM

[quote]R18 it’s not that complicated. I watch cnn. You must not since you seem unaware Bernie was on it last night. Should I be watching Fox News to find out what the dems are focusing on. I notice you’ve taken the time to respond to me but have said nothing about what they are fighting for currently.

You seems purposely and intentionally ignorant of anything Dem related. Are you seriously asking me to educate you?

by Anonymousreply 36June 8, 2018 9:08 PM

[quote]Enjoy four more Trump years when you pick another Clinton-esq corporate stooge to run in 2020.

Better an American corporate stooge than a Russian stooge.

Fuck off Bernie, you are a traitor!

by Anonymousreply 37June 8, 2018 9:16 PM

[quote]Better an American corporate stooge than a Russian stooge.

This unironically, seems to be the Democrat Party's platform right now....

Good lick America.

by Anonymousreply 38June 8, 2018 9:20 PM

Coming from the guy who's campaign ads were financed by the NRA and who repeatedly blocked legislation that would hold the NRA accountable, I can't think of anything more corporate friendly than Bernie Sanders.

BTW, Bernie show us your tax returns.

by Anonymousreply 39June 8, 2018 9:24 PM

Bernie is not credible, but there is not a lot of love for either the Democratic or Republican Party...thus the support for Trump & Sanders.

by Anonymousreply 40June 8, 2018 9:30 PM

[quote]I used to get mad that he wouldn't join the Democratic party, but it really doesn't make any difference at the end of the day. He's more liberal than 99% of the party, so who cares what he calls himself?

Because you dip shit Bernie Bro he is not strong enough to win on his own party. He rides the coat tails of the Democrats and claims he does not need them at the same time.

by Anonymousreply 41June 8, 2018 9:31 PM

Agree, if the parties are so bad for America and only part of the problem, then why demand access to our money and systems? Because he absolutely understands the benefits of parties but his ego requires him to act as if he is above it

by Anonymousreply 42June 8, 2018 9:38 PM

Yet, he wants to keep the caucus system where in only a small number of activists choose the winner.

by Anonymousreply 43June 8, 2018 9:40 PM

Think he'll still be alive? In 8 years, never mind 18 years?

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by Anonymousreply 44June 8, 2018 9:40 PM

Bernie is like the T on LGB

by Anonymousreply 45June 8, 2018 9:41 PM

Run? He'll probably be dead.

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by Anonymousreply 46June 8, 2018 9:48 PM

Weekend at Bernie's.

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by Anonymousreply 47June 8, 2018 9:48 PM

Did someone say RUN?

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by Anonymousreply 48June 8, 2018 9:52 PM

It would be nice to see three credible parties to shake things up a bit. The two party system has failed America.

by Anonymousreply 49June 8, 2018 9:54 PM

More charter schools, more war for Israel, more public private partnerships, more empty luxury apartment buildings that are used for Chinese money laundering, that's the kind of thing REAL Democrats stand for.

by Anonymousreply 50June 8, 2018 9:59 PM

For the last time, we do not have party membership in this country. We decided to let each state determine if you can register with a party to vote in a primary. Vermont is one of the states that does not use that system so anyone can vote in any party's primary. Also Sanders does not have a party, he's independent. He's running in the Democratic Senate primary so some right winger doesn't win it and split the vote causing Republican to win the seat. He did this in 2006 to prevent a right wing vote split. Vermont has fusion voting, meaning multiple parties can endorse the same candidate for office. It's very common to do so there and in New York, Connecticut and Oregon.

The only party he is associated with is the Democratic Socialists of America, DSA. They don't run candidates for office, they just endorse Democrats and other who will support their issues.

by Anonymousreply 51June 8, 2018 10:08 PM

Says the guy who lost to a democrat by 3.7 million votes.

by Anonymousreply 52June 8, 2018 10:08 PM

[quote] They're both right wing DINO's who's views 20-30 years ago would have been mainstream Republican positions. Obama himself has always described himself as a conservative Democrat, and boy did he show it in his 8 years in charge.

Wow.... a stunningly ignorant comment that's wrong on all counts. Way to go!

by Anonymousreply 53June 8, 2018 10:09 PM

Nobody can be taking an 83 year old running to be POTUS seriously?

It will end up like this

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by Anonymousreply 54June 8, 2018 10:29 PM

R54: I'll take Young Mr. Grace as President over the Orange Afterbirth. It just means Mrs. Pennywell will handle all the executive duties.

by Anonymousreply 55June 8, 2018 10:32 PM

Then start your own fucking party, you lazy ancient git.

But no, that's too much like hard work. And who wants to work hard when you can harangue, hector, and be perpetually OUTRAGED!1!1 instead (and still collect million$ from foolish saps)?

by Anonymousreply 56June 8, 2018 10:51 PM

[quote]I supported Hillary all through 2016, and despised Sanders, but I can see in hindsight that he was more in-tune with the electorate than the mainstream Democratic party.

No he wasn’t. The closest thing to him on the ticket was Jill Stein and she got 1% of the vote. Hillary actually won the popular vote and trump is only president because of a vestige of slavery.

by Anonymousreply 57June 8, 2018 11:22 PM

[quote] He is correct that there are more independents than either Dems or Repubs among the voters, although this is not a new trend. The independent vote has been on the rise since 2008 (35% to 41%).

When it comes to how voters identify themselves; this is true. There is more to that bit of truth though. Many or most of these same people who now identify as "independent" strictly vote for the one party for which they've always voted.

[quote] It would be nice to see three credible parties to shake things up a bit. The two party system has failed America.

There is no viable 3rd party.

by Anonymousreply 58June 9, 2018 3:35 AM

After what he and the Bernie bros gave us in '16, I have no problem staying home and not voting if he's the nominee. Goes both ways Susan Sarandon.

by Anonymousreply 59June 9, 2018 3:45 AM

Bernie Sanders went 35 years as an elected official and he has never hired one person of color.

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