De Blasio Proposes Changes to NY’s top high schools

So he wants these good schools filled with high achievers to let less competent students in as an act of political correctness?

So you want people in the class who, after the class has gotten a concept, to keep asking questions so the teacher can't go ahead with his lesson plan? Not just occasionally, but on a frequent enough basis to slow everyone down.

Another liberal who thinks a school is a social hall and not a workplace.

Not all liberals think that way. I went to a selective school, and there's a reason why even non-selective school have Honors classes, AP classes and such.

schools, that is.

I'm a racist bigot but even I think black children deserve access to a high-quality public education.

Give anyone who wants to have some after-school coaching for these exams. Give smart students extra credit for volunteering if there isn't enough budget for teachers.

On the one hand, they've done studies on SAT and other standardized tests over the years that have shown that they are, in fact, biased.

Not necessarily racially biased, but socio-economically biased. So, on the one hand, I can see limiting access to certain schools based on test scores as being flawed.

On the other hand, it's incredibly painful sitting in a classroom with people who cannot keep up (and ask stupid questions) and demoralizing for students who cannot keep up and fall further and further behind.

The solution is not to lower the standards, but to solve the problem of expanding the qualified pool of candidates through supplementary programs. Long-term solutions take time to implement. You merely make matters worse by deceiving people into thinking that they're smart or accomplished when they are neither. Inevitably you end up with dissatisfied and disaffected people.

I ABHOR THIS.

I’m a NYC public school parent with a kid going into high school in the fall. Here’s the deal:

The SHSAT schools accept students based on test results ALONE. It’s a blind admissions process.

Honestly, the kids acing the test are high achievers who’ve had test prep. Lots of Asian kids who study nonstop. I know a few white kids getting into these schools and most of them are Asian. Private school kids take this test, too. (Who wouldn’t want to send their kid to a top school for free? Stuyvesant is more prestigious than most private high schools, no joke.)

To put “low-income” kids into this environment will be a total disaster. If they are smart enough to “test in”, they can handle the workload. If they’re an affirmative action admission, they’re going to flail and fail. The black kids will go largely ignored by the Asian and private school kids. Even if they get pity grades, they won’t be prepared for college.

Disaster.

It's not like total idiots are going to be sent for inclusion. It will be weighted to give some deserving kid a little leg up.

Schools are not about academic excellence only. It's about education. This must produce well rounded students. Education is about the kind of citizen we produce for our society.

Getting into the best college next, and then the highest paying job after that is only one of the rewards of being a good student. Lots of our best minds were not great students. Some of the best students become drones or sociopathic nerds.

R10, if they can’t pass the test, they’re not qualified.

Rich white kids don’t qualify, all the time, even with test prep behind them. Those kids aren’t qualified to be at those schools, either.

Again, I’m a NYC parent who is in the thick of this.

And furthermore there has been a lot of fuckery in the selected high school admissions as well. There was some shift in the admissions process, where kids who would have been ranked (based on grades and state test scores) at the top tier high schools didn’t get placed. It’s been a huge fiasco. No one can prove it, but some parents believe there was a diversity carveout.

We shall see.

I just sent the article to my son, Bronx Science grad. Told him what an awful idea I thought it was, he disagrees vehemently. He feels minority students can't get in because they don't have supportive parents and there should absolutely be a program to identify those smart kids who don't have training. The smartest kids at BS were the ones who got in with no test prep.

He also said my reasoning made me sound like a Trump supporter.

I was smart at bullshit too, it's what got me through school.

Will the black students need to be served at the cafeteria outside normal operating hours? You know, just to make up for a history of racism and avoid bad feelies? Will all Ivies be required to accept a specified number of minorities along with the the merit admits, or they get NONE at all?

R14 they already do.

R12, I didn’t get my kid test prep. If she’s smart enough to ace the test without assistance, she’s smart enough to get in.

Turns out she’s close but no cigar.

Congrats, BTW, it’s a great school. Wish mine had gotten in.

Naw Ivies can take from whatever public schools they choose, R15.

I sat for this test years ago with the four other smartest kids in my 8th grade catholic school class. We were all white. None of us took those test prep classes- we were very middle class Bronx. Those classes were and are expensive. Two of us passed the exam. The eventual valedictorian and salutatorian did not. There is no doubt in my mind that they came very close and, if given the extra points to get in, they would have excelled there. To this day I do not know how I outscored them. I was much weaker in math than they were.

“The Specialized High School Admissions Test isn’t just flawed — it’s a roadblock to justice, progress and academic excellence,” Mr. de Blasio wrote in an op-ed published Saturday.

Hunh? I really thing the left pulls these slogans out of their ass.

Fine, but they should make an exception for the science school. The only people who belong there are those who excel at science, and anyone who gets in on a pity-fuck admission is going to have trouble with the curriculum and end up with damaged self-esteem.

If you can't compete with the Korean grinds whose mothers are campaigning to close the boba tea places that are distracting them from their studies, stay home!

So, basically, it will be even harder for Asian/white kids to get in. The Asian kids, in particular, will stress out and study even harder to get in. The result will be an even bigger gap between Asian/whites and black/latino kids at the school, which will reinforce stereoptypes and increase resentment--particularly from families whose kids would have made the cut before and no longer do because of the set aside.

OR maybe there could be more than 8 elite schools for all the kids in New York City. Why do good schools have to be so rare? If it's that hard to get in, why not open up a few more schools? Let's make a high-quality education accessible to kids who aren't in the top 1 percent of income or test scores.

It reminds me a bit of what goes on at the Ivies--spots for the high-scorers/award winners, legacies/athletes and then some underpresented minorities to give a look of diversity, while the actual access to higher education has suffered because of crippling hikes in tuition.

R16, a Chinese dad once told me why Asian kids were out-doing white kids in schools. He said "If a white kid doesn't get an A, the parents say 'oh, he doesn't have aptitude for that field'. If a Chinese kid doesn't get an A, the parents say 'He's not working hard enough!'. Teaching your kid to work hard is the most valuable thing they can learn.".

And now the Asian kids are going to have an even harder time getting into the good schools, because of their race. The Tiger Moms should revolt, if they can get someone to supervise the kids' studies.

If this is implemented, I swear it will be blamed for some poor Asian teen's suicide. When I asked my kid if she was interested in going to Stuyvesant, she said no, too Asian. She doesn't dislike Asians but knew that she wouldn't have any friends and that was just a fact since they really keep to their own. Moot point, she didn't score well enough. She attended another decent hs closer to home.

R23, same here. While academics are important, I want my kid to have a life outside of school.

We have friends who are Korean. The daughter went to Stuyvesant for one year and begged to leave. She’s now at a private school, and much happier. I don’t want to say she was suicidal but she was miserable.

Where did DeBlasio’s kids go to school?

The son graduated from Brooklyn Tech, one of the schools that requires an entrance exam. His kids are no longer school age so this doesn't effect him, how convenient.

I went to Tech. It sucked. There were a lot of disruptions in the classes and mild intimidation, always by black males you wondered how the fuck they got into the school.

R26, thanks for your comment. That’s what I’ve heard from a few other people with kids at Bronx Science.

This affects our family, so I’m very invested in it. I see it as being similar to the push for more female firefighters. I don’t care what color or sex you are. If you can’t pass the test, you shouldn’t be doing the job. Lowering standards to include people who can’t hack it is a disastrous policy.

And it has little to do with income, sorry. It’s CULTURE.

They can displace all the smart kids they want; ultimately success is about the individual.

R27, a member of my family is a NYC fireman. People have no idea what is going on to try to get blacks on the force and keep them on.....tens of millions of dollars and men who can't pass the physical or exam with many repeats and lowering of standards.

20 percent seems like an unnaturally high percentage. High enough to deny entry to a lot of bright and hardworking white and Asian students. Also high enough to get way too many underachieving black and Latino students in the door. A small number of underachieving students could be elevated simply by being at those schools, even if they just barely pass every class, but get a high enough percentage of underachievers, and they start negatively affecting the entire class's ability to progress.

I'm also probably being too generous with the 20 percent figure. If there's no admissions test, then the percentage of students who otherwise couldn't make the cut will be much higher. Those schools will become like any other mid-tier (at best) high school.

I used to tutor kids in NYC, and many of them were in schools that made no attempt to keep the underachievers quiet (my kids complained about the underachievers throwing things and screaming while the teachers and administration did nothing). Will di Blasio's plan take that into account, or is he deluded enough to think his plan has no chance of affecting student conduct?

R29, I saw a report on WABC, NYC earlier today and De Blasio wants 45% of the student body to be black and Hispanic. There was a protest outside of the school mainly comprised of Asian and white parents protesting and chanting "Keep that test!" De Blasio calls the lack of black and Latinos in the top eight schools "exclusionary."

Here's the link:

Poor hardworking Asian kids are going to be fucked.

My ex went to Stuyvesant - his teachers at his private school actively tried to dissuade him from taking the test. (I think because they wanted him to go to a Catholic high school instead). Clearly he passed and was admitted to several Ivies.

However, he said it was such a fucking pressure cooker - and this was in the 80's. Very unhealthy environment - I'm not sure people have any idea how super competitive and stressful these top NYC high schools are. Eventually these kids are gonna break at some point - there's just no relief. And then college is the same game.

[quote] Soo Kim, president of the Stuyvesant Alumni Association, said that while the schools are often described as elite, the children who attend them exist worlds away from the lives of the 1 percent. Many of the students — and indeed, many of the Asian students — who attend specialized schools are poor. Many of them go to years of test prep in order to earn scores good enough to gain admission.

[quote] “I have dozens of emails from my members who say, ‘My dad was a taxi driver,’ or, ‘We ran a green grocer,’” Mr. Kim said. “Stuyvesant is an option for those who have no option. They don’t know how to interview or influence their way into the right public schools or the right private schools.”

Sad. Hard work trumped by the need for superficial diversity.

R31, that's what people are saying, that De Blasio is pitting minoities against each other.

So he wants to create Affirmative Action schools with low standards and unqualified students.

It’s not fair to the students with high ability levels (of all races), that they wil never be challenged to achieve their full potential due to dumbed down curriculums.

This plan doesn’t help anybody.

This pisses me off. Race shouldn't matter. A BLIND TEST - especially a fucking MATH test - is fair! MATH is universal. Jesus. This is crazy.

Its a pity.

The Economist called it in 2015.

When your parents are immigrants, and everything's riding on you, you can't roll the dice and "explore" random extracurriculars to be "well-rounded" and a "good citizen." You have to study - HARD - score well, and get into a great college. And then KEEP STUDYING. Once you get a good job, you send YOUR kids to private school or something where THEY get to indulge in sports, the arts, diversity clubs, and becoming "well-rounded." Among Asian-Americans, it seems the ones supporting affirmative action are the ones whose parents already "made it" in America. Of course. They're comfortable and secure - they can indulge in noblesse oblige.

This makes it even harder for hardworking immigrant kids/kids of immigrants.

It's an intergenerational perspective that you very secure, very comfortable "All-American" types forgot. John Adams put it really well:

[quote] The science of government it is my duty to study, more than all other sciences; the arts of legislation and administration and negotiation ought to take the place of, indeed exclude, in a manner, all other arts. I must study politics and war, that our sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. Our sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history and naval architecture, navigation, commerce and agriculture in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry and porcelain.

This is just wrong. Affirmative action ... I'm not a fan anymore. This makes it so starkly clear that it's wrong. Individual lives are at stake - students are cogs in a big social experiment, combined in colleges using a magic selection recipe so they grow tolerant and create a perfect multicultural society, regardless of what the Supreme Court says.

R12, I wonder if your child would still feel this way if he did NOT get admitted to give a slot to a child who couldn't pass the test. I think he might feel differently. And one more thing, last time I checked, Asians were still a minority so don't get it twisted!

students *aren't* cogs

I love the people who say "Ugh, I wouldn't want to go to school with all those Asians - no personality! All they do is study!"

Who's fucking racist now?

The whites and Asians who support affirmative action are the ones whose families already made it - and/or who've themselves already made it. A white or Korean-American kid who's already going to Harvard is going to be all for affirmative action, because he's already reached the top. Fuck all the white and Asian "strivers" - he's all about bending the rules for his own ego - so he can indulge in noblesse oblige.

I can't believe De Blasio thinks just because a bunch of under-achieving minorities are admitted to a top tier high school they will automatically become top-tier students.

I was just reading about Abbott districts in NJ. This is a mandate wherein an affluent community must pay for the low-income school districts to the point the affluent communities tax dollars spend an average of $3,200.00 more per student in low-income areas than those attending high-ranking schools in middle and upper-middle class school districts.

Here are a few quotes on the effectiveness of the mandate:

"The program improved achievement in early grades, but not in upper grades. Early education programs including free preschool helped close part of the gaps for Fourth graders whose performance gap "narrowed from 31 points in 1999 to 19 points in 2007, and on state reading tests from 22 points in 2001 to 15 points in 2007."[5] However, as students advanced in grade, their relative performance gains were lost, such that high school students showed no improvement at all and one expert, the Assistant Commissioner at the New Jersey Department of Education from 2002 to 2007 said that the program had not eliminated the effects of poverty. "When you get to middle school, eighth grade, high school – forget about it. This has been a huge failure."

When measuring college readiness, Abbott districts fare poorly relative to other areas despite higher than average spending per pupil. During the 2011-2012 school year:

Newark spent approximately $17,553 per-pupil, but only 9.8% of its SAT test takers met the College-Readiness Benchmark in 2009-2010. Camden spent approximately $19,204 per-pupil, but only 1.4% of its test takers met the Benchmark. Asbury Park spent $23,940 per-pupil but none of its SAT test takers in 2009-2010 met the Benchmark.

Those Asian kids' families need to save up and move to suburban districts with great schools. That's what all the Koreans did in LA... Irvine and all that. Start in the city, leave when you can - and then your hipster kids, who hate you now, move back into the city lol.

R43, the suburban schools are also losing their rankings because of mandated affordable and low-income housing. They are bringing in under-achievers just like in the cities but under the guise of affordable housing.

Maybe Asians would do better in states that don't engage in social engineering - where test scores still matter.

Several states ban it at public universities. Maybe they do the same for high schools.

Ironically, the kids most likely to benefit from this proposal will also be the children of immigrants--African immigrants--i.e. not kids whose families suffered from historic discrimination. It's what's happened at the Ivies--the black kids getting those slots (and nice pix on the front of the brochures) are African or the children of Africans.

R30

I'm so sick of "inclusion" being the be-all, end-all of everything. By all means, be inclusionary in public spaces, in facilities open to the public, in organizations working for social justice. But there are many areas in life that are inherently "exclusive" by virtue of requiring people to work hard and be competent or better in their fields. Is the next step to claim that businesses are "exclusionary" for only hiring well-qualified workers?

I liked De Blasio because he was going to get rid of the horse-drawn carriages (poor horses die in the street, have rough lives like those in Cozumel, etc.), but he didn't follow through with it. Now... meh.

If Asians have higher IQs and/or work harder, why penalize them by stacking the deck against them? They kill themselves when they fail - that's fucking dedication and family honor. So they do extra classes after school - why isn't that a good thing? I wish I'd done Kumon or something as a kid.

Because, R49, De Blasio, and R46 fail to see what is blatantly clear. People need to start taking responsibility for their actions.

The fact that are so few racist comments in this thread indicates people can see how wrong this is. There's no good way to spin this.

People rag on Asians for being too brainy/nerdy, but like they're not bad! I mean, it's GOOD to be into school - or it used to be. Kids who study hard often become scientists and inventors and stuff and make life better. Of course some become asshole bankers or whatever but you know what I mean. I'm a gamer, and Nvidia (graphic chips) was started by an Asian guy. A LOT of stuff was created by Asian people who probably studied hard - so what's to hate? I don't get why the mayor's hating on them - they work hard - shouldn't they get into good schools?

Between the police department and the school system is New York City one of the most racist cities in the country?

In addition to the lower IQ/intellectual abilities of the new Affirmative Action students, there are other issues, like higher rates of PTSD, emotional problems, and mental illness that might not pop up until they get to college.

The fact is, you can give lower IQ students every advantage, but they'll still be limited by their lower IQ, and if they come from dysfunctional poor neighborhoods, they are much more likely to have major emotional and mental health problems.

Think of all the black college students getting full scholarship to elite $70k a year colleges, who have personality disorders and major mental illness and end up dropping out of college after raging at the world in their Black Lives Matter protests. They psychologically project their own severe family/emotional/mental health problems onto the rest of the world, disrupting college life in the process, and the fact is they never should have been in those elite colleges in the first place.

Just look at the personality disorders, mood disorders, and PTSD dripping off of these low IQ Affirmative Action freaks:

De Blasio is a committed Jewish communist, who changed his name to sound Italian.

Destroying the intellectual elite and elevating the easily controlled, ultra-violent foot soldiers of the Communist Revolution is ALWAYS part of Communist strategy, going back to the Bolshevik Revolution.

They incite the incompetent to kill all the intellectuals, because only the incompetent will fight for their own enslavement under Jewish Communist tyranny.

Most/All of these incompetent black/Latino kids that get in are just going to be angry at their failure, and angry at the smart kids, who the incompetents will bully and disrupt, while the administrators and teachers move mountains to keep these angry incompetent disrupters enrolled in the schools.

The administrators will then make regular accusations of racism against teachers who actually want to teach and don't want to let the incompetent students hijack the entire class.

If you've never sat in a class with an obvious Affirmative Action student, you don't know what it's like.

R53, NYC is not any more racist than anywhere else. There is racial tension and it’s getting worse because of boneheaded shit like this.

I am so, so sorry I ever voted for DeBlasio. The only thing he’s done that is good is Universal Pre-K. The only thing. He and his cunt wife don’t even give a shit about Latinos.

r58 He's an American Trudeau, except De Blasio has a real homeland in Israel. At least De Blasio's Cultural Marxism schemes in the US serve a purpose for his Jewish tribe. Trudeau is just a traitor to everybody pure and simple.

Revealed at Last! Inside the Kibbutz Where Bernie Sanders Lived and Learned Socialism

2016

The mystery of Bernie Sanders’ missing months on a socialist commune in Israel has now been solved.

The Democratic Party’s socialist presidential candidate, it turns out, volunteered at Kibbutz Sha’ar HaAmakim, near Haifa in northern Israel, in 1963.

Now, the small agrarian commune could have a big influence on American politics as one spot where Sanders apparently sharpened his socialist ideals a half-century ago.

“The main thing you care about your brother or your neighbor or whoever it is,” said Albert Ely, 79, a kibbutz member, describing the ethos of the collective farm.

Ely said anyone like Sanders who volunteered at Sha’ar HaAmakim would have picked up valuable lessons about life — and a political imperative to improve the lot of others.

“I know that we left an imprint on those people,” Ely added. “The imprint was believe in people, and be responsible for them. Not only for yourself.”

Sanders’ time on the kibbutz, where he lived for a few months with his ex-wife, Deborah Messing (born Deborah Shiling) is referenced in virtually every profile of the candidate.

Albert Ely recalls life on the kibbutz during the 1960s when Bernie Sanders volunteered there. Tomer Dikerman

Albert Ely recalls life on the kibbutz during the 1960s when Bernie Sanders volunteered there.

But the Sanders campaign has been tight-lipped about name of kibbutz, leaving journalists in Israel and the U.S. searching fruitlessly for months. On February 4, national security journalist Yossi Melman unearthed a 1990 interview with the candidate in the Israeli Haaretz newspaper, where he revealed that it was Shaar HaAmakim.

On Friday, the typically sleepy kibbutz in the shadow of the Carmel Mountain was swarming with Israeli journalists searching for memories or photos of the presidential hopeful.

Several kibbutz residents who are in their 70s — Sanders is 74 — said they could not recall the idealistic young American from Brooklyn who volunteered there more than 50 years ago.

“The only thing I remember is that we had around 100 volunteers here, and some of them were French and some were American. And someone named Bernard was an American. Usually Bernard is a French name,” said Ely, who once managed the kibbutz orchard.

Bernie Sanders Stint at 'Stalinist' Kibbutz Draws Red-Baiting From Right

It didn’t take long after news broke that Bernie Sanders had volunteered decades ago on a hard-left kibbutz in Israel for right-wing critics to start lobbing ever-scarier adjectives at him.

The Democratic presidential candidate’s stint at Kibbutz Sha’ar Ha’Amakim in northern Israel proves to conservatives that he isn’t just a “socialist” but a hard-core Marxist or even a “Stalinist,” far outside the American mainstream.

“Bernie Sanders’s 1963 stay at a Stalinist kibbutz,” was the title of Thomas Lifson’s piece on the site American Thinker, posted soon after the kibbutz was identified after months of mystery. Over at Frontpage Magazine, Daniel Greenfield’s article ran under the headline: “Bernie Sanders Spent Months at Marxist-Stalinist Kibbutz.”

The descriptions seem damning, especially from the perspective of more than 50 years since Stalin’s death and the world’s absorption of the reality of his murderous, dictatorial and anti-Semitic regime. Yet at the time, as the two right-wing websites point out, Hashomer Hatzair, the kibbutz movement that Sha’ar Ha’Amakim belonged to, had quite a different perspective.

On the day of Stalin’s death, March 5, 1953, the front page of Al Hamishmar, the movement’s newspaper, carried a photo of the late Soviet leader under a full-width headline: “The Progressive World Mourns the Death of Stalin.” Greenfield at Frontpage concludes: “Bernie Sanders wasn’t there because he liked Israel. Hashomer Hatzair did not like Israel. It ultimately wanted to destroy it.”

The movement’s admiration years earlier for Stalin notwithstanding, that is a perspective it would be hard to find any historians to support, given Hashomer Hatzair’s central place within the Zionist movement from its earliest days. Hashomer Hatzair’s contributions to Zionism have included the service of many of its leaders as Israeli government ministers, and the role of many of its members in the pre-state Zionist military force, the Haganah, its shock troop militia, the Palmach, and later, the Israeli military. The heroism of Haviva Reich, a Hashomer Hatzair member who died trying to rescue Jews in Europe during the Holocaust, is taught even today to Israeli school children alongside the parallel effort of Hannah Senesh, whom the Nazis also caught and killed.

Nevertheless, in Lifson’s view, Sanders’ “sojourn in an Israeli communist kibbutz is fully consistent with Sanders’s honeymoon visit to the Soviet Union… his visit to Nicaragua’s Sandinista revolutionary leader Daniel Ortega as the first U.S. elected official … and his 1980s visit to Cuba where he met with the mayor of Havana….So far as I know, Bernie Sanders has never repudiated his Stalinist inclinations.”

According to Greenfield, “He was there because he was far left. Perhaps even further left than he has admitted.”

From Israel’s founding in 1948 to at least a couple of decades afterward, Israel’s dominant political and social culture was socialist. Most of the intense ideological debate among its political intelligentsia focused on what flavor of socialism had the correct line. Even under Stalin, the Soviet Union, after its massive national sacrifice of more than 20 million lives in the battle to defeat Hitler, was viewed by segments of the Zionist-left as a model society worthy of adoption, at least in part, by the nascent Jewish state.

Hashomer Hatzair was a staunchly Zionist movement back then and it remains so now. The group now exists mainly as a youth movement. It asserts the right of the Jewish people to a homeland in Israel, and its members have played key roles in Israel’s government and military.

Still, Sanders might have a hard time explaining all this to Americans – conservatives and liberals alike – whose views on Stalin, Marxism, and the Soviet Union were shaped through the prism of the Cold War, not that of the international socialist movement.

For Sanders, it seems, finding the kibbutz he lived in 50 years ago, can bring nothing but trouble.

Bill de Blasio is America's Marxist mayor

Sep 13, 2017

There’s been plenty of talk about the radical right lately, involving both the United States and Europe. This is unfortunately necessary, as ideas we thought we’d left behind — socialism, protectionism even anti-Semitism — are back again.

But let’s not fall into the trap of thinking that the only threat to liberalism is the alt-right. Many forces on the left support some of those old, bad ideas, and they’re not all masked antifa.

Take protectionism, for instance. The Washington Post reports that “rather than jeer Trump’s protectionist positions, Democrats are echoing them and amplifying them.” The Democratic platform in 2016 rebuked President Bill Clinton’s trade deals, and former secretary of state Hillary Clinton reversed her support for a trade deal with Asian countries.

And socialism. A democratic socialist who praised Hugo Chavez’s Venezuela came darn near defeating the Democratic party’s anointed presidential candidate. And both Hillary Clinton and Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz were either unable or unwilling to explain “What’s the difference between a socialist and a Democrat?”

Now comes New York City mayor Bill de Blasio, a favorite among “progressive” Democrats whom New York Democratic voters easily nominated for a second term on Tuesday, to explain to a friendly interviewer that the obstacle to economic progress is private property:

"What’s been hardest is the way our legal system is structured to favor private property. I think people all over this city, of every background, would like to have the city government be able to determine which building goes where, how high it will be, who gets to live in it, what the rent will be. I think there’s a socialistic impulse, which I hear every day, in every kind of community, that they would like things to be planned in accordance to their needs. And I would, too. Unfortunately, what stands in the way of that is hundreds of years of history that have elevated property rights and wealth to the point that that’s the reality that calls the tune on a lot of development….

Look, if I had my druthers, the city government would determine every single plot of land, how development would proceed. And there would be very stringent requirements around income levels and rents. That’s a world I’d love to see, and I think what we have, in this city at least, are people who would love to have the New Deal back, on one level. They’d love to have a very, very powerful government, including a federal government, involved in directly addressing their day-to-day reality."

This is mind-boggling. The mayor of the world’s financial center, the hub of American and global capitalism, thinks that the obstacle to progress is private property, the institutional system that has brought billions of people around the world out of back-breaking poverty. Thinks that politicians should determine where building should be built and “who gets to live in it.” Thinks that the people of enterprising New York City have a widespread impulse toward socialism and comprehensive, coercive central planning.

Mayor de Blasio says he’d like to have the power to determine what happens on every piece of land in the city. Other leaders have had such power, in the Soviet Union and China and Venezuela, and those systems did not produce progress. Or even toilet paper.

Don't you think that the students at these schools will learn something from being around students from different backgrounds and privileges than theirs? It's not all about test scores.

r63 they all live in NYC for fucks sake. And the classroom isn't for talking to your classmates who are incompetent, but exotic for their skin color.

De Blasio, the Crypto-Jew:

"Look, if I had my druthers, the city government would determine every single plot of land, how development would proceed. And there would be very stringent requirements around income levels and rents. That’s a world I’d love to see, and I think what we have, in this city at least, are people who would love to have the New Deal back, on one level. They’d love to have a very, very powerful government, including a federal government, involved in directly addressing their day-to-day reality.""

"That’s just what irks Mayor de Blasio: Property rights limit his power and give individuals, not him, the right to decide how to use their property.

Private property is necessary for freedom. It divides and limits power. It allows markets and trade to happen, creating economic growth. It protects freedom of the press because ideas are expressed through property — printing presses, auditoriums, billboards, audio equipment, broadcast frequencies, computer networks, web servers and so on.

Countries that have comprehensively denied private property rights have found themselves without freedom or prosperity — and with plenty of inequality. Mayor de Blasio’s ideas are deeply dangerous, all the more so because he’s not an internet troll or a perennial losing candidate but the mayor of a great city built on the foundation he wants to destroy.

Like the ideas animating the new radical right, the new radical left is embracing ideas that have brought human misery wherever they have been tried."

Bill de Blasio Dreams of a Communist Future

In a candid interview in 'New York' magazine, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio sounds like a full-blown communist.

In a candid interview in New York Magazine, de Blasio wants us to believe that the residents of New York are now all central-planning socialists and communists:

“I think people all over this city, of every background, would like to have the city government be able to determine which building goes where, how high it will be, who gets to live in it, what the rent will be. I think there’s a socialistic impulse, which I hear every day, in every kind of community, that they would like things to be planned in accordance to their needs.”

Notice the mayor’s not so subtle allusion to Marx who wrote, “to each according to his need.”

Notice, too, the specificity in de Blasio's dystopian vision. His all-knowing commissars will even select where you get to live.

What’s in the way of de Blasio's totalitarian dreams? In his words, the problem is a legal system “structured to favor private property.” The mayor points to “[H]undreds of years of history that have elevated property rights and wealth to the point that that’s the reality that calls the tune on a lot of development.”

Does de Blasio really think developers will follow the dictates of his commissars? Would he seize the tools of production if he wasn’t hindered by the Constitution and the courts?

In the mayor's world, the only economic liberty and personal liberty you are entitled too is what he grants you. Despite the failures of collectivism in the Soviet Union, Venezuela, North Korea and other communist paradises, de Blasio believes this time the results of totalitarian collectivism will be different.

No Racism Here: Senior Bill de Blasio Aide Poses Beside Sister's 'F–ck Whiteness' Poster

Jewish tricks:

A senior aide to New York City mayor Bill de Blasio has taken heavy fire from both the right and the left for posting on Facebook a photo froma pro-immigration rally next to his sister holding a sign with the words “f**** whiteness” brandished loud and proud.

Lincoln Restler, 32, posted the photo captioned with: "To celebrate my mama's birthday we took to the streets to stand in solidarity with immigrant New Yorkers."

Both his sister, Victoria, and his parents Susan and Peter were seen in the picture smiling next to a sign expressing obvious racism.

According to New York Daily News, a City Hall spokesman said the sign was meant to hate on white supremacy, not "whiteness."

"No doubt the message was inartful and not clear enough in its intent and that’s why Lincoln took it off his page," said the spokesman.

Inartful? It's not like she expressed a clichéd message like "check your privilege." She placed a vulgar curse word next to the word "whiteness." Considering how often the left cries "microaggression!" over any little thing, this seems rather bluntly racist. Would she say "F–ck blackness" to protest the black supremacy in the New Black Panther Party?

George Soros funded De Blasio's mayoral campaigns to promote communism and destroy the USA because it's good for the Jews:

Bill de Blasio's Communist past revealed

Sorry Adolf, de Blasio isn’t Jewish, ya dumbass. Your pathetic attempt to tie him into some fever-dream Jewish conspiracy achieves a score of zero. Now run back along to your trailer before your meth lab explodes.

No white woman would marry deBlasio. So desperate, he had to settle for a declared "ex-lesbian."

[quote]the students at these schools will learn something from being around students from different backgrounds and privileges than theirs?

They will learn to vote Republican to put an end to this liberal insanity.

That’s right, R73....

And by the time they do, that joker deBlasio and his corrupt buddies in City Hall will be living Republican lifestyles in their gated communities, far away from the social problems they helped exacerbate.

Hate to say it, but New Yorkers who didn’t vote, or who voted this moron in a second time, deserve what they get.

Send your kids to proper private schools if you can. Public schools are all vulnerable to this BS social meddling. Elite public math and science high schools are becoming day cares for damaged morons. Crazy.

Thanks, R55. That video sums up what they're asking for here. They're inciting this into their best high schools. More resources directed at that kind of nonsense.

R75, there are — or WERE — many affluent families who would rather have their kids at Stuyvesant than Trinity. l every private school parent I know has their kid take the SHSAT.

The very upper crust won’t, but there are plenty of wealthy people who wouldn’t mind the bragging rights and saving 60 grand a year on tuition.

R77, it's partially about protecting yourself from the whims of politicians. And being around other wealthy people so your kids learn how to behave properly. The thing is, you have to be vigilant about the private school growing increasingly indulgent PC bullshit - I went to a very elite boys' school right when the African-American scholarship "reaching out" bullshit started taking root, and we got some difficult guys who were really kind of violent and bad in their classes.

R58 - it has already been established that the NYC police department is targeting African-American and Hispanic communities for possession of marijuana for personal use. Now we are seeing how the school system i s segregated.

That's not racial tension that overt institutionalized racism.

R53, the "segregation" of the school system isn't "racist" - it's a math test the kids take to get in; admission is blind. Math isn't racist.

R46, you are right about that. I'm one of those kids who benefited from whatever systems were in place to help African Americans get to college, back in the 80s. We moved to Manhattan my sophomore year of high school; guidance counselors at Julia Richmond were thrilled that I was well behaved and worked hard. They made sure I got into SAT prep classes for free, helped my parents with financial aid forms and took me on college tours. I am college educated and middle class today because of my hard work, my parents expectations and the staff of that school.

I love Caribbean Americans. Tyson Beckford is Caribbean or something.

That Carranza asshole that DeBlowjobbio brought up from Houston to be NYCs Chancellor, just last night told a grp of Asian parents that "these classrooms don't belong to you!", in reference to the best public high schools.

Any change to the admissions process has to be approved by NY State, so hopefully, they'll block it.

NYC Board of Ed graduates <70% from high school, despite its $26 BILLION annual budget.

So really, lets destroy the very few best schools left, that have the highest grad rates & smartest students.

Thanks, r 82. I'm so very grateful for everything I was able to work for here in America, I just can't imagine living anywhere else. The most important thing for me now is to make sure my children get to become middle class as well. I'm very lucky that they are both on track to do so. Attending a top school should be based on achievement, not quotas; as someone upthread noted, a large portion of lower income kids were behavior problems in the classroom setting. Teachers routinely spent lots of valuable instruction time on redirecting. My friends who attended Steward Park HS often complained about that.

See, R84 is the kind of people we need more of in the US. Like smart aspirational people with the right priorities.

[quote]Schools are not about academic excellence only. It's about education.

Errr...

Socialist justice warrior Carranzas outburst to Asian American parents.

Hopefully, he'll get booted soon.

But as someone said upthread, NYers are getting what they deserve by electing DeBlasio. Enjoy!

Yeah, R86, the Supreme Court said some shit like that - "we're educating CITIZENS in our schools," or some shit. I think... they're going to reverse that kind of soon. Not that I want Kennedy to leave, but if he does, yeah it'll be eliminated if they can get another case to the Supreme Court.

I mean... it's kind of obvious that this is blatantly racist. You can be racist in the opposite direction. Poor kids whose parents own tiny stores and shit are studying really hard and helping their families... and they're being screwed because of their race.

Liberal Business Insider on the issue.

R80 - Institutionalized racism can be established by overt action the indicate racism. For example the police department patrolilng African-American and Hispanic neighborhoods for the purpose of arresting people for marijuana possession. (Amazed this is an offense people are arrested for in NYC. Here in flyover country where I live it's a ticket.)

But more importantly an indicator of racism is results. If you have a test, whether to a school or a fire department, that results in one race being substantially over represented that is an indication of racism.

One problem public school systems have , I have no idea if this is the case in NYC, is class throws off the system. When a parent can pay to educate a their child outside of the public school system it gives that student an advantage and greater access to public funds than the student whose family can't pay.

The current system is fair. It is blind to race, gender, income. ANY child can take the SHSAT, and if they score high enough, get a seat at a FREE top-notch education. How is that unfair?

There is an argument that black students don’t have access to the test prep. That is untrue, because there are free tutoring programs that prep kids for the test. I know this, because a friend’s daughter was offered it at her middle school (they are biracial). As r81’s example shows, there is a path to success in the existing system.

This is the new thing among liberal newly rich Asian-Americans: you rise, become successful, and then criticize the way your parents raised you (to work hard and care about school) as oppressive and tell other striving kids younger than you not to do it - while you're a rich doctor, lawyer, tech person, etc. You also bash your parents for being racist because they're scared of black Americans, etc. It's Asian kids taking on white guilt, having already done well themselves, and trying to curry favor with their cool black friends.

It's bullshit. Work hard. Study fucking HARD, people. Go to Kumon after school. Get rich so your kids can go to private school and indulge in the arts, Af-Am studies, or whatever rich Americans indulge in.

Don't fall for the BS. Just don't kill yourself if it doesn't work out perfectly - keep some perspective.

R92, that’s just deferring the ungrateful wastrel tendencies to the next generation.

What I like to remember is that there are many paths to “success”. It’s not always about test scores and what school you go to. Most often it comes down to personality.

Some of the most successful people I know IRL went to a college and worked hard and had a skill other than taking a standardized test. They’re personable and persistent and hard-working. They don’t teach that anywhere.

[quote]If you have a test, whether to a school or a fire department, that results in one race being substantially over represented that is an indication of racism.

So all tests have to have 13% of blacks doing well or else they must be thrown? What about whites being underrepresented because Asians do so well? Are these tests “racist” as well?

I am really starting to believe the Blacks Lives Matter folks are also Russian provocateurs. True activism isn’t so nasty and bitter, or lacking in any semblance of an argument, as r90 shows. The “my way or burn the Earth” method without any civil discourse (even if inequality is a very serious issue that needs to be discussed) just seems so suspect...

R55's video - I'd watched a bit of it before - kind of convinces me that colleges are too open to kids' bitching. They're babies yelling at an elder. I think once they're older they'll be more moderate, but letting kids scream and basically go crazy like that - that just gives conservatives the ammunition they need to make it look like all liberals are like these 18-22 year olds.

Once upon a time, the mantra was that everyone should be judged by the same criteria, and thus get the same chance in life. Now when it turns out that some demographic segments simply meet the criteria better than others, the criteria get changed. So it seems like the goal was never to achieve meritocracy at all, but rather to boost the social positions of specific groups.

If blacks and hispanics want to do better, they'll have to change their cultures to match their goals.

R96, I think that's how it is now. It's some kind of weird social engineering project. Fuck the individual, apparently. And definitely fuck strivers - apparently it's bad to work hard now.

If they just hang in there, those Asian kids will be able to go to Caltech - maybe not the Ivies, though, since they have the old Jewish ceiling for Asians now.

This reminds me of the kid who begs and whines for an ice cream and when they get it, throw it on the ground because they wanted it with sprinkles.

It’s going to backfire. There will be lots of collateral damage to kids who actually study (including black kids).

Can't they just try this at one of the elite high schools, instead of rolling it out everywhere immediately? Spend a few years seeing how affirmative action for that one school works out?

This is terrible for the country.

It’s going to produce a whole generation of “educated” workers who will be unable to compete on a global scale with the Chinese, Russians, etc.

Do they have affirmative action in other countries? Brazil should probably have it, right?

Post's editorial. Meh.

The problem isn’t why aren’t these elite math/science HS’s more diverse, the problem is why aren’t more blacks, Latinos, et al able to pass a blind entrance exam!

There is one (huge) pot of money the DOE has to work with. The logical way to do this is an even allocation per school based on headcount (i.e.; $10K per head - school A has 400 students, they get $4M; school B has 500, they get $5M, and so on) - but that’s not how the DOE does it. The difference in spending per student varies between $11K and $33K — why? (FYI - this does not include spending for remedial, ESL, special ed, etc.).

While he hasn’t come out for or against this asinine proposal, Gov. Cuomo (not a fan, unless he’s shading deBlasio) has pointed this huge disparity out as a potential reason some can’t pass. The protesting Asian, White, Latino, etc. parents are also pointing this out.

Curiously, what isn’t being addressed that I’ve seen is the involvement and lack of involvement by parents. I would bet the students who pass these tests have parents who instill the importance of education, go to parent-teacher conferences, discipline their children, etc. vs. parents who view the school system as some sort of day care center where it’s never their child’s fault.

What will be interesting to watch is how these parents against this foolishness will proceed. They seem fairly well organized and I’m thinking this will bode well for them. Interesting that Tish James, Corey Johnson, other council members haven’t been vocal in all this. I think they know this is a bad idea on many levels and don’t want to risk alienating these organized parents as potential voters.

I bitterly regret voting for deBlasio the first time. Lessons learned.

[quote]the problem is why aren’t more blacks, Latinos, et al able to pass a blind entrance exam!

This question can never be answered, because any discussion of it will immediately be shut down with cries of “racism”.

Local news.

How did he get away with this on TV?

How is it not racist to admit people based primarily on their race??

R108, because it's um for diversity. The Supreme Court said it's ok recently - reaffirmed that it's ok two years. So... I guess it's ok. Or something. For now.

Love how they don't mention the effect of affirmative action bans on Asian enrollment.

Lowering the standards of the test will never be the answer. More people of color must awaken to the fact that children require way more than a roof overhead and three squares a day. In this economy, to have a children is a major investment, especially if you expect them to perform at high levels. My first year in America I transferred in with a "B" in freshman algebra; the guidance counselor at Richmond told my parents to make sure I brushed up my math skills over summer. My mom marched my happy ass to Barnes and Noble and got me a geometry book; my summer vacation was spent learning that at the public library, where she dropped me off for 4 hours a day to practice. That was what they could afford to do, as new immigrants. But I knew what was expected and followed through; they do not recognize choice, that is an American concept.

[quote]The Supreme Court said it's ok recently - reaffirmed that it's ok two years.

That’s going to change when we get another conservative on the Court.

[quote]I went to Tech. It sucked. There were a lot of disruptions in the classes and mild intimidation, always by black males you wondered how the fuck they got into the school.

I've known several people who went to Brooklyn Tech and every single one of them said the same thing you did. And they were students years apart from each other, in some cases.

We either get rid of it or we institutionalize it - just make a special government agency for African-Americans because of their unique history - like we have for Native Americans.

Just say it's racial and fucking be done with it.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

24 other countries laughing at the USA sabotaging a fine genetic pool with the potential to be in the top 10.

Just create a special quota for African-Americans based on their population. If they're 20% of the US population, 20% of each university's slots are reserved for African-Americans. 20% of everything publicly funded goes to them. Or do it by state. Whatever. Just admit it and DO IT. Once and for all, just pull the trigger and admit that they need it and/or history warrants it.

And let's fucking do reparations. Make it so there's no more bitching from them. No excuses - quotas just for them, and everyone competes with each other - but not them. Just making them a special group warranting their own privileges. Whatever just do it.

It might be just what we need.

They did it in South Africa and it's worked out well for the black people there.

[quote]just make a special government agency for African-Americans because of their unique history - like we have for Native Americans.

Let’s have a reservation where they can all live too and not bother the rest of us. Baltimore and Detroit will do.

R104, I love your comment. It’s true.

We can fiddle with quotas and so on, but nothing will change until black Americans change their culture.

Man, I’m watching NY1 and the Asian community is PISSED. I’m afraid whites are going to have to let them (and Latinos) fight this fight because any white parent is going to be crucified. And Latinos have been sidelined in this fight. I think they don’t want to be lumped in with the angry black people.

It’s interesting that Asians are not considered POC or minorities. And I think Latinos are headed that way, too.

R119, yes, I think most Latinos are headed to being assimilated really well. In my mind they're like the Italians and Eastern Europeans of last century - many of them, speaking a different language, but in 1 generation, they're normal Americans. I think that's everyone except Native Americans and African-Americans, and so both need special allowances, funding, quotas, etc. basically forever. We should just do it.

Latinos are just this century's Italians. They're going to learn English, and their kids are going to acculturate just fine. They enrich our country. Same with Asians, who assimilate even faster for some reason. They even name their kids with English names like "George" and "Emily" LOL.

Unlike Italy, Latin America is right next door, R121. Recent legal Latin American immigrants treat the borders as if they don't exist. If you go into many public spaces in some border states, you will hear Spanish about 20% of the time. Radio stations are about 30% Spanish. I am relearning Spanish and use it daily. Maybe because I am speaking their language, people open up to me.

I also listen to Spanish-language radio - some leaders in some of the Latino communities are pushing an aggressive Latino nationalism and many in the Spanish-speaking populace, from what I can tell, are buying it. Many have no desire to completely assimilate: instead they feel that the future of the US is Latino.

Other immigrant communities, whose home countries were far away, were forced to eventually assimilate. Some places, such as portions of LA County, which is now majority-minority Latino and approx. 150 miles from Mexico, seem more like Latin America than they do the US - there is no need to assimilate.

One of the things I don't get about people like R121 is why they think that allowing other countries to softly invade the US is a good thing. Where does it end?

Instead, we need to demand that the US government stop messing around in Latin America so that there will be no incentive to leave. Latin America, R121, is an amazing place that could outstrip America in the future given the trajectory we are on; we do not need to take everyone, we just need to stop bullying and meddling with our Latin American neighbors and allow them to reach their potential. It will be for the best for everyone.

What HASN’T been explained is: how do they select the students for these affirmative action seats?

Are they kids who didn’t score high enough on the SHSAT, but still scored high? Do they take into account grades and state test scores, as all the other high schools do? Will they select for gender as well? (That’s diversity, too you know!)

Because you know there will be squabbling and complaining about that, too.

The majority of these students will flunk out and leave after the first year since they don’t have the background prep to handle the advanced courses.

R124, that might not happen, though. I could see initiatives to get them IEP’s and exceptions and they’ll be floated along.

Another concern is how everyone will view the black students who actually DID test in. “Oh, he’s one of the diversity kids”.

China supports The idea! Good job USA! Keep at it!

R124 The schools academic standards will be lowered to accommodate the unqualfied.

You can bet on that.

Once they get in, they won't be able to fail 50% of them as deserved. So yeah, its going to be odd. Naturally many will succeed but many will NOT.

Once the diversity set gets in, the school won't be able to.....

So for the conflicting pronouns They.

The Asian & white parents who are rightfully objecting to this, need to bus their asses up to Cuomos office in Albany & demand he squash this sick & racist idea.

They can tell him theyll vote Republican for Gov & everything else, if he doesnt. And tell everyone else to do the same.

Then make the bitch put it in writing & announce it in a televised presser, since hes a scumbag & I wouldn't trust his word.

Thats the kind of pressure they need to exert. Dont waste time on DeBlowjobbio or his minions.

[quote]China supports The idea! Good job USA! Keep at it!

China would be thrilled if EVERY slot in EVERY elite US school were only for blacks. You know what I'm sayin'....

[Quote]Many have no desire to completely assimilate: instead they feel that the future of the US is Latino.

Many of the children prefer to use English, r122. The grandchildren barely know Spanish. Even in cases when their families make sure that grandchildren learn it, they still prefer English to Spanish. So, at best, they turn out bilingual, and there's nothing wrong with an American being bilingual.

Cuomo's comments in R106's clip are seriously pissing me off. He begins speaking at the 1:49 mark. He feels that equal funding will improve students' chances for a fair and equal education.

As someone who pays taxes in NJ, we have an abysmal ongoing failure known as Abbott districts, as mentioned in one of my posts up thread. The idea was to have the more affluent towns fund schools in low-income districts. The affluent communities pay more in taxes yet their schools receive less funding, By the time the low-income students reach high school level, there is absolutely no difference, such that high school students showed no improvement at all.

Heres the quote about college readiness: When measuring college readiness, Abbott districts fare poorly relative to other areas despite higher than average spending per pupil. During the 2011-2012 school year:

Newark spent approximately $17,553 per-pupil, but only 9.8% of its SAT test takers met the College-Readiness Benchmark in 2009-2010. Camden spent approximately $19,204 per-pupil, but only 1.4% of its test takers met the Benchmark. Asbury Park spent $23,940 per-pupil but none of its SAT test takers in 2009-2010 met the Benchmark. In 2011, there was a 38% gap between white and African American students on college readiness, up from 35% in 2006. The gap for Hispanic students rose from 28% to 30% in the same period.

That asshole Cuomo should be well aware of its neighbor state's policies and mandates.

You can whine about this all you want. When you have a disparity of outcomes in the public sector I think it has to be addressed. This phenomena is seen throughout public education.

There are two ways the inequities can be addressed. Year round schools and and solving food insecurity.

What I don't understand is why NYC wants these elite schools in the first place?

I think this is hilarious. Asians have historically thrown other minorities under the bus so they could win favor with racist white men. Now all that hard work will be undone, and despite all the sucking up they do to white men, Asian men remain the least sexually desirable for white racists. Hahaha.

R135 is 👶🏿

R135, you're insane. What does kids going to school have to do with the gay dating scene?

Asians like white guys because they like their looks and a few white guys like Asian guys for the same reason. An East Asian guy told me he likes how my hair swoops to the side - he didn't realize that his hair looked essentially the same and that I really liked his black hair. It's just an aesthetic thing. Who gives a shit.

Retard...

I guess it would be too complicated to actually improve the educational system.

Improve? They have to lower the standards to be "inclusive."

Inclusion! Time for 20 percent of kids on sports teams to be short, glasses-wearing dweebs.

I wonder if he'll be catching blowback from the Asian community. California voters passed Prop 209 in 1996 which effectively ended affirmative action in state schools. In 2014, there was a push in the state legislature to undo Prop 209, which was initially strongly supported by various state senators. The Asian parents were not having it, and they let their position be known. "Three Asian-American senators who originally supported SCA 5—Leland Yee (D-San Francisco), Ted Liu (D-Torrence) and Carol Liu (D-La Cañada/Flintridge)—flipped their positions after receiving thousands of calls and e-mails from worried constituents. In a letter to the Assembly speaker urging him to table the legislation, the senators wrote, 'As lifelong advocates for the Asian American and other communities, we would never support a policy that we believed would negatively impact our children.;" The effort was abandoned.

R133 - I think your argument about Abbott districts would have merit w/r/t the NYC DOE if Cuomo was talking about taking tax dollars from Garrison, Bedford, Great Neck, Roslyn, or any other area outside NYC to augment DOE failing schools. He wasn’t. He was basically throwing shade on deBlasio, his DOE, and this idiotic plan. Specifically, Cuomo was calling them out on how some NYC students are funded with $11K a head, while others get up to $33K a head out of the DOE’s $24BIL budget.

Like others, Cuomo was pointing out how disparity in student funding within the City with City funds is more likely the reason there is less academic success in some schools, and less diversity in the top 8 HS’s because those students on the low end of funding aren’t prepared to contemplate taking, let alone passing the entrance exam.

What is unfortunate is that politicians, education advocates, teachers unions - they all have peddled for years, decades even, this falsehood that because a school is in the UWS, Brooklyn Heights, etc. it is better funded because it’s in a “wealthy area” than a school in Harlem, Corona, etc. because these are lower middle class to outright poor neighborhoods. How much a school gets is purely a DOE determination, not determined by the average tax rate of the neighborhood.

Taking Special Needs, remedial, ESL funding out of the equation, every school should receive the same funding per student, period. If nothing else, in such a scenario, each student across the five boroughs is indeed equal within the school system. This is not the current way DOE allocates, which exacerbated the performance disparity.

But, it’s not just about funding.

Social promotion needs to be eliminated; discipline and respect needs to be enforced in the classrooms; good teachers and administrators shouldn’t be allowed to stay in one school more than a few years - move them around, share their wealth; bad/incompetent teachers need to be able to be fired (tenured or not) quickly; students need to learn they will be held responsible for their actions and that actions will have consequences; parents need to be held accountable for their children and be involved in their children's education; everyone needs to understand that not all students are cut out for elite schools, or even college - there is absolutely nothing wrong with vocational schools, apprentice programs, etc..

So yeah, so much more than funding needs to change. I’m sure deBlasio et cie know this but rather than take this on, they’re throwing the sop of eliminating the tests out which if it gets the go ahead will only damage the students and likely destroy these schools.

I’m so glad my nieces and nephews are in college already.

Good luck to the parents fighting this, as well as any parent of a NYC public school student.

East Asians move to Scarsdale. It's a thing. They fit right in.

This will be a nice complement to this:

Holy shit, R144.

You make some very interesting points, R142, but in reference to funding (as I quoted in my post at R133), NJ Abbot districts, which have allocated (money is money whether it be through the DOE or affluent communities) an average of $3,200.00 more per student in low-income areas than those in affluent areas, show there is absolutely no improvement in student performance from students in low-income school districts.

Ancient Rome just called...it says it wants its model for multi-cultural failure back.

Everybody was Kung Fu fighting.....those kids were fast as lightning.....

And in the NYFD...

OMG r149! Let's just all spread our legs and let the Asians take over! It's DONE.

I spoke to a parent today who claimed that the original three elites, Stuyvesant, Brooklyn Tech and Bronx Science are not under the control of the city but instead the state and thus not subject to the whims of de Blasio. Is she talking out of her ass? Can't find anything online about that.

Try to acquire basic reading skills, R150. Aim for 5th grade level as a life goal.

I can't imagine the Asian parents going to Albany to protest. They're too busy working all the fucking time. The whole family works at the store all day long, except for the kids, who are in school, after-school school, and studying at hoe. It's kind of touching. Thats fucking America - you come here, work hard, studying like a mofo, and make it.

But yeah, Albany is a whole day's work, down the drain. Maybe they could swing it.

R146, when they give that 3.2K extra per student, it's probably teacher salaries that are figured in. Maybe enticements for getting better teachers into Newark, Camden etc? Or just more teachers, aides & security in general.

R72

Di Blasio relentlessly harassed his wife until she agreed to date him. (She was still "identifying" as a lesbian at the time.) He's a fetishist of black women, if not "lesbians".

R111

The problem is a lot of those parents aren't providing a roof over their kids' heads or three meals per day. That's part of why Di Blasio's plan is asinine. It's why liberals putting so much emphasis on education is putting the cart before the horse.

Poor kids, regardless of ethnicity or race, can't learn if their families are getting evicted every year, if the refrigerator is empty the last half of every month, and if their home life is so disruptive, they can't do homework or study, regardless if they're motivated or not. The only way to reliably improve the school performance of poor kids is to alleviate their families' poverty to the point that they can focus on school. But liberals have completely given up on any kind of real economic justice, and now they're intent on punishing hardworking kids by forcing them out of elite schools for the benefit of disruptive, unfocused kids who will drag all the rest of them down.

R38 It has happened to him. A black HS friend was accepted to my son's first choice Ivy Law school with a lower LSAT score. It hasn't upset him at all. He went to a different one.

If your son's friend had shittier grades, then that's unfair and gross, R157.

One of the reasons this angers me is because, in time, everyone will realize conservatives have been right about affirmative action.

Ahh look at the racist white gay hating himself because he’s finally realizing he’s a deplorable @ r159.

How dumbed-down is the curriculum going to get? How many excuses are going to be made about why the diversity kids are still underperforming even when that happens?

R160 is also R135.

R159 is almost right.

Everyone already KNOWS affirmative action is a failure.

It just needs to be continually challenged in courts, until it is killed off.

It's not just that affirmative action is a failure. It's simply wrong. Race should never matter at all in anything. It's crazy.

Duh Blasio is trying to engineer equity of outcome and it simply will not work. He believes that the system corrupts the tries to change the system, but the outcome is always the opposite of what they expect. There are reasons why democrats create and continue to rule shithole American cities.

He does not and will not point out the factors that lead to uneducated children. The children and the parents are VICTIMS! It is actually quite racist, but he is too blinded by ideology to see this.

Its shot down at least until next year. Thank God.

DeBlasio just turned NYCs Asians into Republicans.

R151, here is a quote from a NYT article linked earlier upthread:

Some education advocates who are pushing for admissions changes are unlikely to consider Mr. de Blasio’s proposal to be exhaustive. A 1971 state law says a single test must be used for admissions at Stuyvesant, Bronx Science and Brooklyn Technical High School, but many legal experts have said the city could reclassify the other five schools, allowing them to change how students are admitted. Mr. de Blasio has long held that the city cannot make such changes on its own, though he recently said he would “revisit” the issue.

This is a done deal if Cynthia Nixon is elected Governor.

The problem is not just poverty. It’s cultural values.

You think there aren’t poor Chinese and poor Russian/Slav and poor Caribbean and poor African kids? My kids are in NYC public school with them. And they all work their butts off to get good grades. Every one of these groups has kids whose parents expect them to do better than the last generation.

LOW INCOME DOES NOT EQUAL AVERSION TO EDUCATION

You can't level out the differences in average IQ (note the use of "average," disingenuous bitches) among different groups by lowering requirements for some and not others. That's messed up. Let the ones with high IQs, regardless of ethnicity, prove themselves using an objective test. And yes, the test is objective - numbers aren't culturally, um, what's the bullshit term, biased/oppressive/appropriative/culturally dependent or whatever the fuck.

Everyone sees through the bullshit now.

R179 blacks have bugs that cause diarhhea?

Go for it

Tinker tinker endlessly until you get equality of outcome - fuck equality of opportunity. Stack that deck for "oppressed" peoples. Alienate an increasing number of voters, including from the fastest-growing minority group.

Silly. This stuff is why we keep losing.

R169, when this subject comes up my mind always goes back to an interview with Irv Rubin of the Jewish Defense League when he was a guest on The Whoopi Goldberg Show; a talk show which aired in the early 90's. I suppose they were discussing cultural differences when he said to Whoopi (paraphrasing) "In Jewish neighborhoods we build libraries. In your (Black) neighborhoods, you have liquor stores."

I swear, if Whoopi could have produced steam coming out of her ears at that remark, she would have done so. She was so angry at his comment and yet as soon as he said that I remember thinking, he's right.

R174, Magic Johnson built movie theaters. Sorry but I was just thinking about the philanthropy of black athletes and musicians.

And there was a big kerfuffle about the Barack Obama Presidential Library being built adjacent to a black neighborhood in Chicago. The black residents didn’t want it.

Okay then.

R155, do you wonder about DeBlasio and Shola Olatoye (disgraced former head of NYCHA)? She kept that job a lot longer than an ugly white man would have...

Now I’m not saying BDB and Shola were fucking or anything, but I don’t think it hurt her that she’s an attractive black woman.

The Times coverage sounds like advocacy.

never learned basic physics but wants to get accepted into school that teaches advanced physics because they are gifted? Bahahaha.

Crazy.

A Times opinion piece from today.

De Blasio should have nothing to do with schools.

No one owns the school admission that is why there is a test to begin with 💩

I'm sure you all spend a lot of time at Home Depot searching for the largest brushes and rollers the way you paint black people.......

Skip to 3:08 for the start of the article by a teacher who eventually moved to a majority white school.

Teaching Black Kids by Christopher Jackson

R157, you've missed the point. What if your son hadn't gotten accepted to another one? Regardless of whether he did or didn't feel slighted is really not the point I was making. You cannot preach equality if you are looking to lower the bar for some. That is the irony. I'm assuming your son is white? If he is feeling guilty for white privilege congrats to him. He can give up his job or salary or whatever he wants to a minority. However, when you penalize one minority group over another bc said minority are achievers and work hard to earn these privileges, then you have a fundamentally flawed system.

r185 a fundamentally flawed system, and a fundamentally Jewish system.

Go to Israel and it's pure White Jewish supremacy. The darky Jews clean the toilets.

And notice how in the US these same White Jews get to take most of the spots/jobs of regular white people, while also claiming to be minorities. Affirmative Action NEVER affects Jews negatively, only positively.

If Affirmative Action discriminated against Jews instead of white Goyim, Jews would flip out. Of course in reality Jews are MUCH more privileged than white Goyim, and their sophisticated, multi-pronged race war against white Goyim is so effective that we don't even notice it.

Do you think crypto-Jew, crypto-communist Bill "DeBlasio" is going to allow Affirmative Action to discriminate against Jews applying to these special high schools? Of course not! Jews will get categorized as whites, so that their gross over-representation will continue undisturbed, while smart white and Asian Goyim will be systematically discriminated against.

Just like in the Ivy League right now. Jews make up 1/2 to 1/3 of ALL white students on Ivy League campuses, even though Jews are 1.5% of the population and white goyim are 65% of the population.

The whole "White Privilege" propaganda campaign was and is led by Jews, who are by far the most privileged group in the US. So privileged, in fact, that you can't even criticize them or point out facts about their discrimination against whites and incitement of anti-white racism.

Ouch. Guess DLers are right, if Harvard's doing it.

[quote]Harvard consistently rated Asian-American applicants lower than any other race on personal traits like “positive personality,” likability, courage, kindness and being “widely respected,” according to an analysis of more than 160,000 student records filed Friday in federal court in Boston by a group representing Asian-American students in a lawsuit against the university.

People would be outraged if they did this to women and blacks.

[quote]Asian-Americans scored higher than applicants of any other racial or ethnic group on admissions measures like test scores, grades and extracurricular activities, according to the analysis commissioned by a group that opposes all race-based admissions criteria. But the students’ personal ratings significantly dragged down their chances of being admitted, the analysis found.

Quoting for emphasis.

Whites know that Asians are smarter than them, but they're not all butthurt and insulted by it. It's just a big "whatever."

No, it's more an issue of self-selection. There are a LOT of Asians--the relatively small group that emigrates tends to be smarter and more motivated than the average. You're basically getting the cream of a very large crop. You're seeing a similar effect with African emigres--Nigerian immigrants are doing very well in the U.S., but again, the emigres tend to be the best and the brightest from a large country.

The immigrant effect deteriorates after a couple of generations. The grandkids aren't as motivated--they're already living pretty comfortable lives.

I wonder if the Asians will sue Harvard!

R56 - actually, De Blasio isn't Jewish at all you fucking troll moron. He is, in fact, of German (Christian) and Italian heritage, and dumped his father's unappealing last name of Wilhelm and took his mother's maiden name to sound more "New York Ethnic". (although his story is after his father's death when Bill was 18 his mother's extended Italian family really raised him). His mother went to Smith and his father graduated from Yale. They were both interested in Communism - and imagine that! Neither were Jewish!

It might surprise you to learn that not all Communists are Jewish. It also might surprise you to learn that google is helpful when you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about.

Ivy League schools for decades had quotas on Jews that were only lifted in the 1960s, I believe. Same issue: too many in proportion to their "demographic", which made them look superior to their non-Jewish counterparts, who at the time were all white.

This bias against Asians is the same. It has nothing to do with personality traits: university, especially Ivies like Harvard, aren't in the Miss Congeniality business. They're in the competitive educational and career edge business, and the percentage of Asians making it through their admissions process bothered Harvard just the way, a few decades earlier, the number of Jews making it in bothered them.

A society that abandons the idea of merit in service to a spurious narrative that lets it off the hook for agreeing with a society so unequal in the first place is asking for rising anti-liberalism.

I hate this cunt.

R194 - Could you be more specific? We don't know which cunt you're talking about.

deBlasio and the DOE should concentrate on kids in K-8. That's where the problems begin.

R196 - Indeed - that's why there are so many failures with these kinds of efforts.

The point is to make the education system fairer for all from primary school onward. That's where public monies should go. Everyone in Finland isn't rich - it's that the government sees to it that the nation's school all get the same resources from the get-go.

Another difference between American and Finnish schools is that teaching in Finland is considered a very high level and respected profession. There is great competition for training and jobs, and teachers are well paid and aren't blamed for every failing in the schools. Lastly, in Finland there is far less emphasis on teaching to standardised tests.

The poster who said that the problem isn't the low % of blacks in those schools, it's why those kids can't score high enough on the tests, is correct.

And that's because blacks have much higher rates of single parent households; particularly absent fathers, who generally provide discipline. Academic success requires homework, homework requires discipline.

Until the liberals actually face their problems, they won't be able to cure them.

How did deBlasio's wife cure her lesbianism? Conversion therapy? Jesus?

R199 - "How did deBlasio's wife cure her lesbianism? Conversion therapy? Jesus?"

Interesting query. I'd actually forgotten about that.

R198, I think it might be more a matter of a parent/parents setting expectations high and yes, enforcing discipline. I know a few single-parent Asian families (a widow, two single mothers), and their children do very well because the mothers set high standards and devote time and money to making sure their children stay ahead.