Andiamo! Pack Your Bags Migrants. Free Ride Is Over. You KNOW Italians Mean Business

Every Euro country that was invaded by "migrants" deports them according to EU rules, a long, tedious and often futile process, due to "migrants" successfully suing to remain in the country. Many "migrants" in Italy don't want to be there, see it as a first stop in their progression to countries with far more generous welfare benefits.

Good riddance. When I visited Italy, I saw a lot of these migrants lounging around, doing nothing. At least volunteer to clean the city you are feeeloading from and help out. Worse, they would try to scam tourists by forcing these bracelets onto their arm and berating them to pay.

Those were gypsies R2 , different problem. My guess I, be shocked if more than 5,000 were deported by this time next year. It is a difficult: expensive process. Also op you sound like a real miserable cunt.

Italy has a net negative population without immigrants. Good luck to the seniors on their job training for the janitor jobs they will compete for.

The Italian voters have clearly decided that they do not want the "help" of migrants.

I'm going with the Predictions 2018 thread that mentions Italy will be headline news all summer wrong. Makes sense.

2 years ago I remember seeing some Syrian women at a border patrol demanding in the most commanding way: "I want to go to Austria and I want to go NOW!"

Who the fuck do these people think they are?

Someone has to get a grip with the uncontrolled mass migration. It is unsustainable and puts societal cohesion at risk.

Vigilante citizens?

So Trump was right?

The Italians could have the Mafia put a horse's head on the bed of some of the migrants, although the migrants would probably just eat it. Sad(!).

I'd take R10's article with a large boulder of salt. The Italian police aren't paid much and therefore don't work much, turning a blind eye to Roma thieving and migrant peddling and aggressive panhandling.

They should ship them right up to Germany, and let Merkel deal with the problem she created.

Trump is a Nazi. If you think Nazis are right about race, you might be a part of the problem.

Hillary spouted off repeatedly during the campaign about how the US "needed" to admit a large number of Muslim immigrants.

I suspect it contributed to a significant number of swing voters going for Trump.

There really are only two choices: we either stop invading, bombing, or otherwise exploiting these countries, and allow them to rebuild. Or, we continue to destroy them, and have to take in all the people we displace. There are literally zero other options.

R17 "Migrants" are escaping overcrowded, failed societies for an easier life in functioning, flourishing societies. The invasion will continue as long as Euro countries abide by EU rules.

Italy doesn't even need a wall. It has a sea between them and the invaders. If they "rescue" anyone on the water, the Italians should take them south instead of toward home.

I recall 10 or so years ago some gypsy girls were doing the gypsy thing at some public beach in Italy — begging and hawking trinkets. Then several of them went in to swim and they got caught in an undercurrent and drowned.

They laid the girls’ bodies out on the beach with towels over them and there are pictures of the Italians on the beach carrying on with swimming and lunch all around the gypsies as if nothing had happened. It caused considerable outrage at the time. Lol!

[quote]Lol!

you think drowned kids are funny?

I don't recall that drowning incident or the alleged controversy.

What a deplorable thread.

[quote]meanwhile stupid Italian women (all European women in general) are not having babies!

Women aren't birthing machines. They live their one given life as they see fit. If that means not having as many children as you'd like for your demographic race, then tough luck, buddy. Also, civilizations come and go. Italy and other countries haven't been around forever, nor will they be around in the future. The sooner you accept that fact in your exceedingly short (and insignificant) life, the better you'll feel.

Western Europe made a huge mistake in the 1950s by beginning to let in people from Turkey etc. and not requiring them to assimilate/acculturate. It's just gotten worse.

They should have created a fortress Europe, a truly unified EU, and let in only a trickle of immigrants, fully assimilating them along the way. Now they're in chaos. When the Iron Wall fell, they'd have had even more easily assimilable immigrants from Central and Eastern Europe as well.

I don't know how they're going to survive the onslaught and NOT become totally reactionary.

Europe doesn't need babies. Fuck that. They can be like Japan, Korea, and Taiwan - robots and AI.

Italy's youth unemployment rate is at 37%. The last thing italy needs is more babies.

As you all already know, Italians characteristics vary by region. The South is culturally conservative but not necessarily racist or right-wing. They voted for the populist Five Star Movement largely driven by concern pocket book issues. The North, on the other hand, voted for the right-wing League (formerly the Northern League) mainly due to anti-migrant sentiment, and nativist concerns. Both the North and the South are also rebelling against a bunch of unpopular policies imposed by the European Union.

Central Italy has traditionally always been the most left-wing region of Italy and they stayed loyal to the Democratic Party. These include the city of Rome (but not large swathes of the surrounding region of Lazio which is culturally southern and voted for Five Star), Most of Tuscany (including Florence and the infamously far-left/communist port city of Livorno), Umbria (includes Perugia) and Marche (includes Ancona). Add to these the neighbouring Northern region of Emilia_Romagna (especially the city of Bologna) and here you have the hotbed of Italian leftism, socialism and communism. Kudos to them for rejecting populism.

I'll be moving to Florence for one year and I'm so pleased it is compatible with my progressive politics.

DLers are so dumb. One of the new government’s actions is to put a stop to the right of gay people to adopt. They’ve also promised their voters that gay marriage will not be allowed, which is a deviation from the path the ousted centre-left government had set Italy on.

I’ve always known DLers are not true progressives and many are actually racist.

R27 You boast about your "progressive politics".

What does that mean in terms of inviting penniless, hungry hordes of Muhammudans (with Medieval brains) into your nation?

They’ve just announced they are going to rollback and restrict all legislation enacted by the previous government to advance the rights of gay families. But carry on celebrating Datalounge.

R30 Adoption is far less relevant than social and political problems caused by invaders.

They may be a convenient scapegoat, but migrants aren’t the cause of Italy’s problems. And most don’t want to stay there anyway.

As you sow, so shall you reap.

R32 Sorry, but the very last place I will rely on to tell me what is and isn't a problem in the world is the Guardian. Used to be my favorite paper - is now a joke of extremist lefty propaganda and low-quality "journalism".

So where do you get your news now? The Daily Fail?

The master cimrinals who own the ECB and IMF are desperate to create new debt slaves to borrow new money into existence. The migrants are debt-free victims. That is the reason for the infestatia of migrants to Europe.

[quote]Central Italy has traditionally always been the most left-wing region of Italy and they stayed loyal to the Democratic Party. These include the city of Rome (but not large swathes of the surrounding region of Lazio which is culturally southern and voted for Five Star), Most of Tuscany (including Florence and the infamously far-left/communist port city of Livorno), Umbria (includes Perugia) and Marche (includes Ancona). Add to these the neighbouring Northern region of Emilia_Romagna (especially the city of Bologna) and here you have the hotbed of Italian leftism, socialism and communism. Kudos to them for rejecting populism.

[quote]I'll be moving to Florence for one year and I'm so pleased it is compatible with my progressive politics.

The problem is that you don't know what you're talking about.

Town after town in Tuscany now have the Right in power. Places that were once solidly Leftest are quickly abandoning the leftist parties. Take Pistoia for an example, it was for 70 years ruled by the left... it now has a far right administration. It also a happens to one of the nicest towns in the region. The same with Arezzo. Cascina is ruled by the Lega.

You mention Livorno... it is now 5Star.

Florence and Pisa will be next.

That Guardian article is such utter bullshit.

By the way, in the March 4th election...78% of registered voters, voted. That's an incredible figure.

Italians don't want to be Europe's dumping ground for African migrants. Period.

R9: That's why a lot of American people voted for Donald Trump. He acknowledged the problem with open borders during the debates in 2016. Hillary Clinton wanted to allow even more people from other countries into America at the expense of legal citizens.

[R3] The men I saw lounging around and/or hustling people were not gypsies, but African migrants. Gypsies have their own cons going on.

[quote]Hillary spouted off repeatedly during the campaign about how the US "needed" to admit a large number of Muslim immigrants.

[quote]I suspect it contributed to a significant number of swing voters going for Trump.

It was definitely a factor.

[quote]There really are only two choices: we either stop invading, bombing, or otherwise exploiting these countries, and allow them to rebuild. Or, we continue to destroy them, and have to take in all the people we displace. There are literally zero other options.

Remind me when was the last fucking time we bombed and invaded Morocco, Eritrea or Tunisia?

The mass migration of economic refugees will be nothing compared the future mass migration of climate change refugees. When Pacific islands go underwater and Middle East and parts of Africa become virtually uninhabitable, all those people will be fleeing in numbers that can't be stopped without armies engaging in mass murder.

We wager many of the migrants are needy young males, hot, and hung - a bonus for the sisters in the host countries!

Has r27 even read this week's news about Italy's election results?

R37 summed up the situation perfectly.

Countries that are bombed by the USA r42 are those who refuse to use the $ and join the usury central bank system. Once they are conquered and the land confiscated the usury criminals re-mortgage it to new debtors! For example Iraq, Lybia, kosovo, etc. It's how the system works!

Americans are so stupid," Trump is a Nazi bla bla". How people are going to want their country to be invaded by murderers, thieves, people who don't work and who only ask for rights but not duties ?

Italians fail at everything and this too will fail. They're too stupid to govern.

The problem here is that there isn’t enough money from Italy on its own, to provide for the migrants. It’s an untenable situation. The migrants keep coming, all day, every day, all night, every night. And I don’t fault the migrants. They want a better life, and are coming from countries with no opportunity, no job market, nothing. Of course they want better. But this is not going to work out.

This crisis is one of the reasons why we are seeing our world turn authoritarian. It is not a mistake. It is purposeful, and by design.

[quote] Western Europe made a huge mistake in the 1950s by beginning to let in people from Turkey etc. and not requiring them to assimilate/acculturate. It's just gotten worse. They should have created a fortress Europe, a truly unified EU.

Western Europeans were much too busy killing and mass murdering each other in the 1940's, to be concerned with immigration.

"They should have created a fortress." HA! Don't make me fucking laugh. You speak of "they," as if Europeans actually liked each other. They HATED each other, and still do. There is no Europe, aside from the geographical designation.

These are countries with different languages and cultures, with the only similarities between them, being that they're white.

Give me a fucking break.

This "one Europe" idea is completely ridiculous. They naver have been, nor will they ever be one Europe.

Build a fortress, my ass.

[quote] This crisis is one of the reasons why we are seeing our world turn authoritarian. It is not a mistake. It is purposeful, and by design.

I'm a Democrat, I voted for Obama and Hilary but I wanted the Democrats to at least address this issue, not say welcome with open arms. The influx of all those refugees and migrants scared a lot of people and the majority were young men, not families or children. The Dems need to address people's fears about refugees because this one of the big reasons Trump won.

[quote] The influx of all those refugees and migrants scared a lot of people and the majority were young men, not families or children. The Dems need to address people's fears about refugees because this one of the big reasons Trump won.

"Scared" and "people's fears" being the operative words.

That what these right wing cunts try to do. Spread this unfounded fear about immigrants, who are actually the ONLY ones doing these menial jobs in Western Countries.

While hateful right wing conservatives demonize these people, the immigrants are busy cleaning your toilets, taking care of your kids, doing housekeeping in your hotel rooms, sweeping your floors, collecting your garbage, and serving you your fast food.

Meanwhile, the REAL ENEMY of the people - the richest 1% in the world - are getting away with murder and plunder, and nobody is saying a word about them.

Too bad the majority of this world feeds on hate and bigotry, rather than seeing the real source of the problem.

Be realistic, R52, Trump had a message and it got people to the polls. And he exploited the fear of refugees/migrants. People are too stupid to take in what you just said. Hilary's "I'm with Her" was so weak and meh. Yes, we see them cleaning our toilets but the small town I grew up in central California was overwhelmed by migrants to where it is not livable anymore and my family had to leave because of gang infestation.. But people like you don't want to acknowledge that because it is not politically correct. But those are real issues the majority looks at.

R52 Shut up, please.

[quote]That what these right wing cunts try to do. Spread this unfounded fear about immigrants, who are actually the ONLY ones doing these menial jobs in Western Countries.

I know nothing about Italy and the situation here.

First of all, Italians do menial jobs. And the Left has worked very hard over the decades for workers rights and decent pay.

Funny that you want to destroy all of that with mass immigration.

The menial jobs that Italians don't want to do can be filled with LEGAL immigrants.

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[quote]The influx of all those refugees and migrants scared a lot of people and the majority were young men, not families or children.

The word "scared" can be condescending. What the people have are serious concerns. And they are legitimate.

*You know....

The truth hurts, doesn't it R54?

R57 That's your truth :)

Don't deport them. Shoot them.

[quote] Don't deport them. Shoot them.

Well then, don't be surprised when they shoot right back.

What an ultra-intelligent idea, R59.

You must be from Florida.

No, R60. I'm not Florida. I am sick of scum invading civilized countries in order to rape and pillage said countries. War is war. Shoot the fuckers dead in the street and leave them there as a lesson to others.

[quote] Shoot the fuckers dead in the street and leave them there as a lesson to others.

And vice-versa.

See how it works?

They don't have guns in Europe that are accessible to the public like in the US, thank god. If they did, things might even be worse than they are in the US. Europeans are very, very smart when it comes to guns.

[quote] Europeans are very, very smart when it comes to guns

And clearly, R59 is not.

R62 would be thrilled to have his children raped and killed by third world savages so long as those third world savages aren't white. After all, R62 loves his black/brown cock fetish more than he would the safety of himself and his loved ones.

R65, you sound fucking nuts. You really do. How did you end up hating everything and everyone?

What’s your story? What happened to you?. I am genuinely interested in learning how you became such a racist, bigoted, hateful person.

Please tell us the version that doesn’t involve blaming minorities for all of your perceived problem and issues.

R66 Stop it, you are embarrassing yourself.

I agree with you 100% R66.

And R65 is also clearly R67.

Something is seriously wrong with that person. As in, mentally ill.

R61- Tell that to Native Americans.

Why r69? Native Americans have nothing to do with the migrant crisis.

Nobody likes Mudslums except for gays, trannies, 300lb purple haired SJWs, radical feminists etc.... you're so progressive with your Muslim fetish. They think liking people that most normal people hate makes them so sophisticated.

Kind of those snobs who hate pop music artists that have sold millions of records and who force you to listen to some bizarre obscure artist and their shit music that consists of beeps and clicks.

[quote] Native Americans have nothing to do with the migrant crisis

In the 1600's, the English and the Europeans WERE the migrants.

And they brought with them murder, rape, theft, pillaging, and ecological destruction.

Payback is a bitch.

[quote]Florence and Pisa will be next.

Maybe you’re right, r37. Or maybe the mood will have shifted after the populist coalition inevitably fails giving the centre left a chance to regroup. I give them a year or two, tops. We’ll, see I guess.

Now that Italy has the government it wants, who will they blame for their problems? The migrant flow from Africa had largely been stemmed by the outgoing government and surely should now come to a complete halt. The EU has made it clear they will not support the new government’s plans to increase public spending and their anti-Euro policies. Who will Italians blame a year from now? Certainly not themselves.

By the way, rom this map, looks like Livorno stayed red.

r72 you can't get "payback" on people who have been dead for centuries.

R72 is too myopic and will not listen r74.

Shut the fuck up you stupid fucking cracker r71. Go fuck your sister you stupid hick trash.

Europeans raped and pillaged Africa up to the 1960s making it poor. Payback really is a bitch. But the truth is none of these migrants want to stay in Italy which they hoped to just transit to on their way to the more advanced economies of the North. No one is leaving Africa hoping to start a life in Italy. UK, France, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands and Scandinavia are the real targets.

^^ Great. Round em up, pack em up, ship em out.

Merkel, Macron & the EU want them, let them go there. Italy has clearly stated they don't want them.

All 600,000 of them.

Italy let them in they can deal with them.

The smarter European countries like Hungary closed off their borders early on, in defiance of the EU.

Be nice to R71, she can't help herself. The wifi only works in her trailer park on weekends.

Hungary knows what the fuck is up with Islam. They've had a long and bloody history with it.

[quote]Europeans raped and pillaged Africa up to the 1960s making it poor. Payback really is a bitch.

Africa is "poor" due to overcrowding, tribalism and Islam. The biggest mistake Europe made was not colonialism but introducing modern medicine, so that instead of 75% of the population dying before age 10, they live and thrive in societies that offer them nothing but ignorance and hatred.

Eastern Europe has far more history with Muslim invasions and occupations and, unlike Western Europe, they don't ignore their history so aren't doomed to repeat it.

[quote]Hungary knows what the fuck is up with Islam. They've had a long and bloody history with it.

Cool. They're also fascists.

Guess we know where your sympathies lie, Adolf.

R85 Take your meds.

R77 wrote “Europeans raped and pillaged Africa up to the 1960s making it poor. “

How can someone be so ignorant? Africa was poor for the last hundred thousand years, and will remain poor until they import Western values.

[quote] Hungary knows what the fuck is up with Islam. They've had a long and bloody history with it.

Didn't they start World War I, which killed tens of millions of people?

Yeah, they shouldn't talk about "a long and bloody history."

"Western values" are anathema both to tribal and Muslim societies.

[quote] You KNOW Italians Mean Business

Especially when it comes to FASCISM!

Italians should think very long and hard, before they end up back in these days....

No one wants these economic migrants. They are poorly educated, drain the social systems and bring violence with them. The European countries have plenty of homegrown, useless and violent men already, why import more?

R90 R91 Italians have far more knowledge of their own history than you do, including how to deal with invaders.

R91, must you be so childish?

[quote]you think drowned kids are funny?

Not the drowned kids, no. I’m sorry but I can’t hrlp but laugh at the Italians happily enjoying the beach despite the corpses a few feet away...it’s just so incongruous!

R95, a few corpses is no reason to stop enjoying La Dolce Vita!!

Let the Italians, the French, the Germans and whatever other Europeans take a return to fascism.

They truly think that's the solution to their problems?

Yeah, because it worked out SO WELL for them the last time.

It's funny that people think Europeans are so "enlightened." Just take one look at their history, and you'll see that they are anything BUT enlightened.

They're fools.

Because the Middle East is SO enlightened, r97!

R97 Europe is enlightened exactly because of their history, starting with the rejection hateful, authoritarian ideologies, both local and imported by invaders.

Africa is so much more enlightened too, R97.

Boilerplate, R52

I take it you're a college student?

Muslims ruled Hungary for 150 years. They destroyed the country.

Meanwhile, back at the EU, which created this on-going social and political nightmare . . .

EU row brewing as new migrant crisis plan set to cause FURY for frontline states

THE European Union is on the brink of another major row which would split the bloc after migrant crisis plans placing more burden on southern states emerge.

🙅 Va a Napoli !

r24 the Turks were imported as cheap labour and nothing more. They were treated like shit, and mind you they were NOT radical/conservative Muslims, and they were not given the same rights as Germans. They didn't assimilate because they weren't allowed to become citizens, nor were their children. They existed in this odd legal limbo that didn't match their family situations. The younger generation were not old country, but not fully accepted by Teutonic Germans, either. The only way they could move up economically was to open their own shops in their own communities.

By the time the blood born rules were relaxed, an isolated, bitter subclass had been created. And historically, that never goes well.

I was in the south of France in 2012 and I could not believe all the migrants, obviously Africans, living in the industrial side of town. It was like one long shanty town under the freeways, hundreds of people openly living, sleeping, cooking their food and leaving their clothes strewn everywhere.

“They didn't assimilate because they weren't allowed to become citizens, nor were their children.”

And ... they didn’t assimilate because the women were not allowed by their husbands to leave the home and work. Which meant that many of them never learnt German. The girls were not allowed to date unless chaperoned by a brother because they didn’t want them to be whores sure like the German women.

Nobody is bombing Africa. And 99% of the hordes of illegal immigrants in Italy are African. Florence is no longer safe for tourists and Italians alike; Moroccan youths attack and rob them. It is a myth that the migrants will do jobs that Europeans refuse. In Sweden, which has a longer history of immigration, there is a report from the government of the failure to integrate the migrants into work. They view welfare as an entitlement and have no desire to work or see it as an obligation. Frankly, they bring nothing good. They make wherever they go resemble the shithole they came from. But Italy will face a big problem in reversing illegal immigration, due to the fact that there are those who profit from it - the Mafia and the NGOs.

The map you posted does not give a clear picture of the recent elections. Most of the red areas today are no longer totally red. Below is a link to an interactive map that breaks things down.

And no Livorno has not stayed red: the administration is now 5Stelle

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[quote]Now that Italy has the government it wants, who will they blame for their problems? .....(....)....Who will Italians blame a year from now? Certainly not themselves.

Childish. You are trivialising a very serious situation.

The above post is in response to R73

[quote]I'll be moving to Florence for one year and I'm so pleased it is compatible with my progressive politics.

Mary!

R97, those foolish Europeans!

[quote][R97] Europe is enlightened exactly because of their history, starting with the rejection hateful, authoritarian ideologies, both local and imported by invaders.

I'll just let the time-and-space-and-history-warping stupidity of this statement speak for itself.

Hungary believes in learning from the past.

That's why they've closed their borders.

R113 Oh! Is it still 1945? Gosh, must be in a time warp.

How magnanimous R85 can be when she is not impacted by the social and political consequences of invaders.

It's not fascism to acknowledge your country's borders and your country's culture and way of life. Japan doesn't up with this bullshit. Obviously many here though would be thrilled to be tossed off a rooftop for a braying crowd below. After all, it's for the greater good and whites are evil, right?

Japan doesn't put up with this bullshit. Neither does China or Russia or Southeast Asia or Polynesia or Melanesia or or 57 Muslim nations, whose charity is political, not practical. Argentina has taken a few thousand Xtian Syrians. Nope, only wealthy Western Europe is "racist" and "fascist" and "xenophobic" because they refuse to commit cultural and social suicide.

[quote]and whites are evil, right?

According to most liberals, yes.

Question: Isn't there a no-man's land somewhere like Australia, but smaller, where they can send the massive amounts of migrants, so they can live somewhere and build a society? I understand part of the reason they're leaving is war (e.g. Syria) but mass migrations have caused huge problems throughout history (Roman Empire, for one). Surely there's enough land they could put them somewhere, like in Siberia or somewhere there's a lot of empty space.

[quote] so they can live somewhere and build a society

R120 You assume far, far too much, starting with a knowledge of state craft, how to build a society. Their own countries are failed due to this absence of knowledge.

They couldn't build a fucking campfire if you gave them the wood and a match. They are totally dependent on others to build everything for them.

r121 no, their own countries failed because they're a mix of old world and new world and they couldn't merge the two successfully. They're fleeing their own people. Do I think they'll make it work? Eventually.

They are fleeing their countries because they want to wage Jihad, and force Islam onto other nations.

R124 Bingo! These aren't refugees. They're soldiers.

[quote]their own countries failed because they're a mix of old world and new world and they couldn't merge the two successfully.

Their societies are based on eons of tribalism, which is why Islam was so easily assimilated. In neither tribalism nor Islam are there tools for "making it work" as a society.

You honestly think that a country that can't manage itself well enough not to break out in a huge civil war, yet can arrange a huge conspiracy to infiltrate and destroy European nations from within? You're contradicting yourself there.

Americans who pity the poor migrant would shit themselves if they had wave after wave of illegal sub saharan migrants moving into their towns sleeping in tents and shitting all over the place. Italy has to take drastic measures to stop this madness

R127 Pull your head out of your anus, wipe the shit off it, and educate yourself before you continue to make even more of a fool of yourself.

R129 Western Europe can thank the EU for creating then ignoring the problem for decades and Angela Merkel for exacerbating the problem.

R71, you got your "feminists" mixed up - it is the liberal "feminists" and "intersectionalists" who demand their own destruction. It is the media and "academia" feminists who never stick up for women (there is no money in that).

r129 I see you're not interested in actually discussing it, just namecalling and posting right wing ranty articles from some random assholes as "proof" of what you're saying. Bored now!

The traitors running things have said they want nations destroyed

"EU should 'undermine national homogeneity' says UN migration chief"

What does Italy produce these days?

r133 that's pretty much what goes on in the U.S. - multiculturalism. The European countries do have a strong sense of history and nationalism that is pretty well tied to races and religions.

As opposed to you R132 who chooses to ignore any medium that doesn't reconfirm your particular worldview. And that's EXACTLY how Western Europe got itself into this quagmire.

Here's R132

Europe is so quaint. Helpless tiny countries with their own media, etc.

Adorable.

The EU is over. They can't even decide on a single location for their parliament LOL.

r134 interestingly the main reason the Roman Empire stayed afloat as long as it did was because they kept invading and stealing the wealth from other people around them.

r136 you aren't interested in convincing me of anything. I know you're not serious because otherwise you wouldn't have gone off with such ridiculous over the top namecalling as a response to my fairly stated point. So you clearly just want me to believe what you're saying without contest, and you aren't comfortable enough with the details to discuss it in a civilized manner, so you jump from 0 to 50 in terms of response. Tiresome and obvious. You aren't going to win people to your viewpoint by bullying behavior, sorry to inform you.

Will the Italian government actually be allowed to set rules for Italy , or will they be overruled by Merkel and the EU?

Remember when Greece finally elected a government that was anti-EU austerity? And they weren't allowed to govern because of the EU

R139 just can't stop.

more trolls who have never ever left their own backyards.

holy FUCK, what a stupid piles of IDIOTS!

If Europe really cared about its future, they'd demand the EU set up a fortress superstate that's dead set on creating a national identity. Choose a true capital, get a military, have the toughest borders, etc.

The EU is against borders, culture and nations. They want them destroyed for globalism.

you're an idiot. stop lying

[quote]And no Livorno has not stayed red: the administration is now 5Stelle

R109. Ma sei fuori? I’ve typed Livorno, Toscana into the search box of your interactive map and there’s no sign of M5S winning or running the administration there. Il colore rosa significa che i livornesi hanno votato per la centrosinistra, vero? Il colore non è giallo. Where are you looking to see this 5star admin in Livorno? You’re Italian, I am not. I should not be explaining this to you.

(oh boy...)

R146 You don't know how to read a map.

The mayor of Livorno is Filippo Nogarin. Movimento Cinque Stelle .

"Dal secondo dopoguerra il Comune è stato ininterrottamente governato da giunte di sinistra e centro-sinistra, con i sindaci uscenti che se ripresentatisi alle elezioni sono sempre stati riconfermati. Il 9 giugno 2014 Filippo Nogarin del Movimento Cinque Stelle vince al ballottaggio contro il candidato PD Marco Ruggeri, interrompendo sessantotto anni consecutivi di guida "rossa" (PCI/PDS/DS/PD)."

[quote]Hillary spouted off repeatedly during the campaign about how the US "needed" to admit a large number of Muslim immigrants.

[quote]I suspect it contributed to a significant number of swing voters going for Trump.

She didn't "shout" anything like that. She talked about admitting up to 65000 Syrians (compared to Obama's 10000).

I suspect you went for Trump for a whole other number of reasons.

I love when you queens type Italian.

[quote]What does Italy produce these days?

Per capita it produces much more than the US.

È tutta colpa di Hillaryas?

[quote][R113] Oh! Is it still 1945? Gosh, must be in a time warp.

Last time I read a history book, Germany and Italy "rejected" authoritarianism after having the living shit bombed out of them.

And Europe is flirting with it again, as the fascist-curious bigots on this thread so eloquently demonstrate.

Bigots, r152? Hardly.

[quote]If Europe really cared about its future, they'd demand the EU set up a fortress superstate that's dead set on creating a national identity. Choose a true capital, get a military, have the toughest borders, etc.

Nope, nothing fascist about that insane drivel, nosiree.

Any thoughts yet on the "final solution"?

[quote]They couldn't build a fucking campfire if you gave them the wood and a match. They are totally dependent on others to build everything for them.

[quote]Bigots, r152? Hardly.

You might want to talk to your alternate personality posting bigoted shit like this, hon.

When the world economy is booming and Italy still has an unemployment rate of 11%, something is very, very wrong.

Weird how Islam apologists scream “Nazi” and “fascist” at anyone criticizing shitty behavior by masses of illegal migrants but fail to overlook how fascist their Muslim pets are.

r155 nothing about that statement is bigoted, but a fact. They live in failed societies that are mostly of their own doing.

R155 Go away alt-left

[quote]Weird how Islam apologists scream “Nazi” and “fascist” at anyone criticizing shitty behavior by masses of illegal migrants

Oh honey. A "fortress superstate that's dead set on creating a national identity" is pretty close to a dictionary definition of fascism. The obsessive bigotry is just icing on the swastika-shaped cake.

[quote]fail to overlook how fascist their Muslim pets are.

Again, you don't get to redefine fascism as "dirty people I don't like".

If you dipshits believe the dirty dirty Muslims are going to turn Europe into a Muslim superstate, you really should have your doctor change your meds.

Remember, Italy shipped most of it's peasants to Ellis Island. They'll get rid of these migrants one way or another

Are you kidding R97? Germans, French and Italy produce the world's finest products. No one can compare. No one.

[quote]Remember, Italy shipped most of it's peasants to Ellis Island.

Those peasants went to Ellis Island of their own accord, because they were hoping for a better life.

And when they got there, they made every effort to assimilate into the new culture, get jobs, learn the language, and make sure their children got educated.

In other words, the exact opposite of the current Muslim “peasants”.

R134, you peasant, you! What does Italy produce nowadays?

It's a country of fine artisans, you fool. The Renaissance never ceased.

Cars, glass, shoes, boots and bags. The finest silk. Bergdorf Goodman and Nendless Markup are loaded to the gills with their fine products. You pay a hefty premium for their exports. I don't even have to begin naming fashion houses.

You probably wear shoes made in China. Why don't you just sign your post -Poor Tasteless Trash?

R163, ruling families and mafia made it hard for those peasants, so they left. Why on earth would anyone leave gorgeous Sicily to end up in Brooklyn?

r160 they don't assimilate, make constant demands on the host culture, and are just totally imcompatible due to their belief system.

No wonder R7 is crossed out! Stupid women not having babies? Besides your blatant racism on biracial people which I won't address. Smart women are not having children or stopping at just one. The world is not set up today for fine people to be breeding. Why would they when marriage is joke these days? Why not extend your youth and refuse to breed. Why have kids when you'll have to put them in daycare? Today's world requires two issnncomes. Women not having children are able to see the big picture. They are looking into the future. Not being selfish and loyal to the eggs they carry.

[quote]And Europe is flirting with it again, as the fascist-curious bigots on this thread so eloquently demonstrate.

R152 Action. Reaction. Missed your physics class, did you? Decades of concerned, questioning voters being told to shut up and get on with it by their indifferent governments = Action. Voters vote for political parties that listen to their questions/concerns = Reaction. Not hard to understand, even for you.

[quote]Choose a true capital, get a military, have the toughest borders, etc.

[quote]Nope, nothing fascist about that insane drivel, nosiree.

R154 Fascist? Seriously? Nation-building as practiced for the past 10,000 years is fascists. The whole world is filled with fascists. Except for you of course. Our stellar though childish pejorative spewing "progressive".

[quote]Any thoughts yet on the "final solution"?

R154 You may want to lose the hyperbole. It's ineffective, much like spewing childish pejoratives.

I've said this before, but if Muslims were lily-white Anglo-Saxons like our Christian Fundamentalists, civilized people would have no problem telling them all to go straight to hell.

“Again, you don't get to redefine fascism as "dirty people I don't like".

Here’s the Nazis official stance on women: Kinder, Küche, Kirche. Children, kitchen and church. Identical to what Islam preaches.

Meanwhile, the "migrant" business is indeed profitable . . .

Italian police bust Tunisian human-trafficking ring

Italian police broke up a gang including suspects with jihadist sympathies who charged migrants thousands of euros to rush them in speedboats across the Mediterranean from Tunisia, officials said on Tuesday. Officers arrested 13 Italian, Tunisian and Moroccan suspects in a dawn raid on the network accused of trafficking people and contraband cigarettes, a police spokesman told AFP.

The traffickers brought migrants from Nabeul in north-eastern Tunisia to Trapani on the west coast of Sicily, police said in a separate statement.

The gang would bring between ten and 15 people a time, earning up to €70,000 per four-hour crossing, with hundreds of kilos of contraband cigarettes also stashed in the boats.

The police statement said that "some members" of the network had jihadist sympathies, showing "hostile attitudes to Western culture" and "spreading propaganda via fake profiles on social media".

In a wiretapped telephone conversation, one of the gang's associates asked fellow members to pray for him while he went to France to carry "dangerous actions, after which he might not be able to return".

Since the summer of 2017, Italy has seen a rise in Tunisian migrants arriving in Sicily or on the island of Lampedusa, despite a repatriation agreement with the Tunisian government.

The Italian Interior Ministry says 6,000 Tunisians landed in 2017 and more than 1,300 have arrived since the start of this year.

That number, however, does not include the so-called "ghost landings", of which the only trace is wet clothes found on the beaches of western Sicily.

Italy's new government in diplomatic row after accusing Tunisia of sending 'convicts' in migrant boats

Italy’s new coalition government had a diplomatic row on its hands on its first full working day on Monday after Matteo Salvini, the interior minister, accused Tunisia of sending “convicts” in migrant boats across the Mediterranean.

Mr Salvini, the head of the anti-migrant, hard-Right League and also a deputy prime minister, made the remarks on Sunday during a visit to Pozzallo, a port in Sicily where rescued migrants are brought ashore.

It was his first official trip – the government was only sworn in on Friday, ending three months of political deadlock.

Angered by the comments, the Tunisian government called in the Italian ambassador on Monday, expressing “profound amazement for the remarks of the Italian interior minister regarding immigration.”

Tunis said Mr Salvini’s comments “do not reflect the cooperation between the two countries in the management of immigration and indicate an incomplete knowledge of the various mechanisms of coordination that exist between the Tunisian and Italian authorities”.

During his visit to a migrant reception centre, Mr Salvini said he could see no reason why Tunisians were turning up on Italian shores because Tunisia was “a free and democratic country where there is no war, famine or pestilence.”

The North African country was deliberately encouraging its “convicts” to try to reach Europe, he claimed. He used an Italian word that can also mean “felons” or “good-for-nothings”.

Just take the migrants picked up in the Mediterranean back to Tunisia and Libya. Problem solved.

Dozens of Migrants Drown Off Tunisia and Turkey; Hundreds Rescued Off Spain

Rescuers said on Sunday that dozens of migrants had drowned off the coasts of Tunisia and Turkey, while hundreds had been rescued off Spain, as the flow of people seeking to get to Europe continued despite tightened controls.

At least 46 migrants died when their boat sank off Tunisia’s coast, the country’s Defense Ministry said on Sunday. The Coast Guard rescued 67 others, and the operation was continuing, the ministry said in a statement.

The migrants were of Tunisian and other nationalities, according to the ministry. Security officials said the boat had been packed with about 180 migrants, including around 80 from other African countries.

[bold]Human traffickers increasingly use Tunisia as a starting point for migrants heading to Europe because Libya’s Coast Guard, aided by armed groups, has tried to stem the flow from that country. The migrants often depart in makeshift boats from Tunisia, heading for Sicily.[/bold]

The Turkish Navy was accused of deliberately sinking migrant vessels trying to get to Turkey, a claim they have denied.

The Turks, Egyptians and now Libyans have a very simple way of detering "migrants". Shoot them dead when they get near the border. And the EU will turn a blind eye to what the Turks do because they need them - i.e., bribing them with billions of Euro - to stem the torrent of "migrants".

The Italians are to blame partially because they rushed out there to save as many lives as possible. It's to their credit in one way, detriment in another. What's telling is how some migrants pushed their fellow people into water to drown to get first dibs. Just horrible all around. What to do? Houseboats?

Those Africans need to practice Birth Control.

R163, they also had to have family sponsorship, because there were no welfare benefits for them.

Yes, r72, but there were no free government handouts (aka socialism) back then. Either you worked or you starved.

[quote]It's a country of fine artisans, you fool. The Renaissance never ceased.

It's worth noting that along with fashion and so forth, Italy's top exports are machinery and pharmaceuticals/medicine .

Ellis Island wasn't a free-for-all either. Immigrants had to pass a series of exams before they were allowed into the country. If they didn't pass, they were sent right back.

[quote]Remember, Italy shipped most of it's peasants to Ellis Island.

And they brought the mafia to North America. Weirdly, no Italian American has to date, has been a serious contender for the American presidency. A black man has served and completed two terms and still no Italian American president in the foreseeable future.

^^ Al Smith was actually Italian American.

Not to worry. We'll have an Italian American in the WH someday.

How Spain stemmed the migrant influx. The organisation, complexity, subtle diplomacy and goodwill such a policy requires is probably too much for Italy to manage. Especially with that boorish, racist troglodyte Salvini that thinks it is simple and has already insulted and antagonised the Tunisians.

[quote]Weirdly, no Italian American has to date, has been a serious contender for the American presidency.

Well, at least Americas biggest and most powerful city has had 4 Italian American mayors... covering 27 years in office.

[quote]How Spain stemmed the migrant influx. The organisation, complexity, subtle diplomacy and goodwill such a policy requires is probably too much for Italy to manage.

LOL.

Tell us about Spain's razor wire border fence to keep out migrants.

[quote]Especially with that boorish, racist troglodyte Salvini...

Oh please.

R186 Italian Americans have solidly been part of the US power structure for 60-70 yrs now.

Politics, business, academia, the arts, sports, entertainment...

Meanwhile, the trafficking business, in this case to Spain, is most profitable . . .

Five migrants found dead en route to Spain as police arrest 19 smugglers

16:17 CEST+02:00 Five migrants have died trying to cross the Mediterranean, the Spanish coastguard said Thursday after rescuing more than 180 others, while they searched for another two boats with dozens aboard. Rescue boats, helicopters and planes from southern Spain carried out a series of rescue operations late Wednesday and Thursday, a spokeswoman said. Since Wednesday evening, 185 people in five boats had been rescued.

But at least one boat had capsized, and four migrants were already dead in the water some 40 kilometres (25 miles) off Morocco's coast when rescuers arrived, she said. Another of those rescued died later of cardiac arrest.

On Thursday, the coastguards were searching for another two boats in the Mediterranean with at least 45 people on board.

Initially, helicopters and planes had been grounded because of bad weather but they were eventually able to fly, joining rescue boats in the search.

The news came as police said they had arrested 19 people for illegally transporting migrants across the Strait of Gibraltar to Spain using jet skis or small inflatable boats.

They allegedly charged 4,000 euros ($4,900) per crossing and another 500 euros if the person trying to get to Europe needed lodging once in Spain, police said in a statement. The Guardia Civil also found several kilograms of drugs and thousands of euro in cash during a series of raids.

Spain is the third busiest gateway for migrants arriving in Europe, still far behind Italy but catching up fast with Greece.

Many Africans undertaking the long route to Europe are choosing to avoid crossing danger-ridden Libya to get to Italy along the so-called central Mediterranean route, choosing instead to get there via Morocco and Spain.

According to the International Organization for Migration, more than 22,400 people arrived in Spain by sea last year, nearly triple the number for 2016. Some 223 people died along the way.

So far this year, at least 3,778 migrants have arrived in Spain, with more than 180 losing their lives trying to cross the Mediterranean.

I have no sympathy for these people.

African invaders storming the border fence at Melilla, [bold]February 2014[/bold].

What surprises me is how they got past Moroccan police, who also shoot them dead if they get near the border.

[quote]Especially with that boorish, racist troglodyte Salvini that thinks it is simple and has already insulted and antagonised the Tunisians.

Me either, R191. If these people can put together thousands of euros to pay the smugglers, why couldn't they use that money to create a decent life for themselves where they are? Several thousand euros would go a long way in Morocco or Tunisia.

[quote]why couldn't they use that money to create a decent life for themselves where they are? Several thousand euros would go a long way in Morocco or Tunisia.

Morocco and Tunisia don't want sub-Saharian Africans, whom they refer to pejoratively as abid, Arabic for slave. If they stay home, that money won't go very far because in tribal societies, they are responsible for the support of not only their immediate families, but aunts, uncles, cousins as well as clan members. In most cases, the family pools the money and sends one male. If he makes it, he brings over as many family members as he can and remits back money for those who remain.

The only way to halt this invasion is for the EU to change its migrant and human rights laws. Which isn't going to happen any time soon.

If you want to demoralize the native population, flood their area with refugees.

Sub-Saharan migrants are every bit as anti-gay as migrants from the Middle East. Let's not forget this.

The best thing is to let these populists in power and watch them fail. They’ve promised too much but will start blaming others when they can’t deliver. I’m ashamed for Italians that they’re proving again to be suceptible to this kind of hate just like under Mussolini. The Germans learned their lesson the hard way and the Brits and French are too civilised to go that route.

From the article posted above.."Samuel Pieta from Cameroon lives on the top floor of one block. He is 33, has been in Italy since 2011 but has never worked in the country."

So he has been in the country for SEVEN years and has failed to do anything? He's not in jail! The libraries are free, there are computers there, he could have spent the seven years learning the language and a range of skills. If he had the wherewithall to make it from Cameroon, he could certainly learn to use a computer. Most recreational computer users are self-taught. I learned to do almost all of the maintenance and many repairs on my Saab from Youtube videos. It drives me crazy to see old Italian men, some in their 70s, doing heavy lifting and carrying in the produce markets, which open at 5 am. Admittedly most of these guys would never give up their job, but can't some of these young, strong African men make a few €€ helping out? That is something you never see. What you do see is gangs of them lounging around, smoking.

Interesting r99! What do you think of the rest of this chaotic thread?

The chocolate migrants here are a real pest, they monopolize all the sidewalks selling their crap.

(We wonder if anyone of them are doing proper work, like renting their massive uncut black sizemeats to eager local sisters?)

Africans are mostly cut.

We (US and Europe) need to have open borders for all refugees, to pay them back the Climate Debt.

Since R203 has no problem making decisions for others, where do you live? We'll point the invaders in your direction.

R203 sounds like the perfect Virtue-Signaller.

[quote]I’m ashamed for Italians that they’re proving again to be suceptible to this kind of hate just like under Mussolini.

R198 Susceptible to "this kind of hate"? What kind of hate exactly?

The Italian people want secure borders and a stop to ILLEGAL immigration. Just like the rest of Europe.

Quit the hyperbole.

If you mean me, R200, what I think is that people for whom living with hordes of invaders is an abstract concept really need to be more respectful in offering their opinions and advice.

And it keeps happening ...

[quote] a few corpses is no reason to stop enjoying La Dolce Vita!!

You got that right!

Holy crap! The Italians are saving Europe almost single handedly. Never seen so many up voted comments in the Mail's reader response.

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Italian voters in Tuscany & Emilia-Romagna just booted out the left, nearly completely, in local & provincial elections yesterday. Thry had been leftist strongholds for at least 30 yrs.

They've been replaced by M5S & Lega politicians. This is a great boost for Salvini & DiMaio & their agenda.

The Italians are dead serious about ending illegal immigration & removing Italys 600,000 migrants.

And another brick falls from the EU wall.

R212 let me correct that for you:

They had been leftist strongholds for at least 70 yrs.

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Italians have a long, long history with invasion from North Africa and the Middle East. They know what the fuck is up with these people.

no, they don't. italy has never ever been militaristic, even going back to the end of the Roman empire. you're woefully ill-informed

Let's be honest here. The Italians were rescuing tons of people not long ago from the waters. So we can't say they aren't a compassionate people. They couldn't stand to see anyone drown. They were duped by evil traffickers. Now they are forced into self survival mode. They tried to do the humane thing. Can't expect them to committed suicide. They aren't a superpower and can't generate their own economy. They heavily rely on tourism. They built their country for centuries and deserve tourist dollars. They craft some of the world's highest end products. Enormous pride is taken with their productions. Allowing such a nation to be tainted is a slap in the face to their ancestors. These migrants have no conception of the work and sweat it takes to build such a land. They have no respect.

If Europeans were stuck in the lands the migrants hail from they would make something out of nothing. Cooperation and innovation are the traits needed. Migrants stay home and do the work neccesary then own it!

[quote]no, they don't. italy has never ever been militaristic, even going back to the end of the Roman empire. you're woefully ill-informed

Did I say they were militaristic? No, I did not. I said that they had a long, long history with invasion from North Africa and the Middle East, which is quite true.

Exactly what r217 said. These are just WAY too many people to try and integrate into their economy. And of course the overcrowding and quality of life issues that go hand-in-hand with this kind of fuckery.

Let us not forget the outpouring of love and compassion by the German people when the first wave of migrants entered Germany. Citizens opened their homes. Craftspeople took on apprentices. German people raided their linen closets and brought them to processing centers. It was beautiful. Hired loads of these people. They were duped by Merkel who was only looking for cheap labor. Cheaper than the Mexican guest workers (w/no shot at citizenship, btw) who abounded all over Germany. Their stringent guest worker program basically fucked Mexicans as they could not receive benefits or stay for long. Merkel fucked everyone as Mexicans are even harder workers than the Germans themselves. Not many people realise that most Mexicans are of the mongoloid race. They are different from most indigenous Americans because they are Inuit based. They're Eskimos not really NA. Inuit are the hardest working people at survival on the globe. So Mexican work ethic didn't come from nowhere. Their physical stature is built to survive harsh frozen landscape. They also meshed right into Germany's Catholic churches. They helped support those local churches.

Merkel got greedy and undercut those guest workers to up her nation's wealth with basically indentured ME servants.

Never forgot when the Omen was announced with migrant dwellings being littered and dirty. This is neurotic ally clean Germany! Germans are rule abiding people. Their trains run on the honor system. As an attractive, light white American/Canadian I worried about getting in trouble there.

This whole migrant problem everywhere is brought to innocent, decent citizens by a bunch of greedy fuckheads. All at your expense. Eventually to the migrants' expense but the innocent duped masses will be blamed for trying to self persevere.

Let me add how Merkel fucked Americans as well. It was a breeze for Mexicans to get guest worker status in Mexico for up to a years time. Vacation in Spain for awhile then reapply. The deal was you better not scheme to put roots down. No socialist rights. They had their own little enclaves provided and were watched like hawks. They did have the best nightclubs, I've got to say. So now Mexicans are more inclined to risk a better life by crossing the US border. So not only did she screw Europe, she screwed the US as well. Let's not forget the German government isolating America's auto plants and contracting instead by building plants in Mexico cheaply then selling their cars to Americans at at premium.

Germany can't seem to go more than 50 years without causing this planet major turmoil. Why is that? Major superiority complex with them.

Correction: guest worker status in Germany, not Mexico ^

Very interesting r220. You never hear about Mexicans in Germany.

R223 and you're not gonna be hearing about them now because I'm sure they've all hauled ass for their own safety. Probably sweating attending mass at church wondering if they'd make it out alive.

Today Salvini fired back at Macron, "Migrants? You can bring them to your house!"

Even more harsh? "Its easy to to talk when youre taking pictures with the Pope."

SMACKDOWN

Bigotry

Self-preservation, r226.

Italexit is assured happening.

The realignment towards anti-EU parties has proceeded at amazing speed.

Once they have an absolute majority then they will invoke article 50 and begin withdrawal from the EU.

The euro will become the Deutsche mark again, and the only good thing about the EU - THE SCHENGEN- will die.

Fucking Retarded cock sucking socialisto/technocratic cunts.

Europe does not need or want these useless, backwards people and their sky-high birth rates. Good for the Italians for showing some balls.

They will be called racists and back down. We know how this works.

R230 has never met an Italian.

Ascendant 'Italians First' Politician Vows Mass Deportations And Challenges EU

R232 I pray that that will happen.

The SJWc complain about the slogan 'Italians First' but, really, it is so utterly sane.

It is sane because so much of Italy is in poverty and struggling. I wrote this before, but it is galling to see old men in the their 70s lifting heavy crates of produce at the markets whilst these young, incredibly fit Africans lounge around at the entrance begging for money.

Italy's hardline interior minister, Matteo Salvini, announced Friday that Italian ports would be closed "all summer" to NGO ships which rescue migrants trying to cross the Mediterranean from Africa to Europe. "The NGOs will only see Italy on a postcard," quipped Salvini, who is also the new deputy prime minister and head of the far-right League party.

"The ports will be closed all summer," he said on Italian radio. He added that the ban would concern not only access to ports but also "the furnishing of fuel to the NGOs."

"As the Italian military tells me as well as the Libyans, the NGOs help traffickers, consciously or not," said Salvini. But he stressed that Italy with other states "would continue to save all those who need to be saved."

Salvini's comments come on the day that a European Union summit reached a deal on migration after Italy had threatened to scupper it if its demands for help were not met.

"Foreign NGOs, with foreign crews, flying a foreign flag and financed by foreign institutions will no longer step foot in Italy," said Italy's far-right interior minister in the interview with RAI.

A populist government was sworn in this year in Italy, largely in reaction to increased migration flows from North, West and the Horn of Africa in the last five years to the Mediterranean country. Curbing migration is one of the key objectives of the Five Star Movement-La Lega populist coalition government.

"Finally Europe has been forced to accept the argument of Italy's proposal," Salvini commented, noting that past Italian governments had been ignored by Brussels. "Our numerous demands have been accepted. Italy is coming out of its isolation and playing a new role."

The news comes as 100 people were declared missing by the Libyan coastguard after a boat carrying migrants in the Mediterranean capsized, reports Repubblica. Aid organization Medecins Sans Frontieres accused EU authorities of negligence vis-a-vis human life.

“EU member states are abdicating their responsibilities to save lives and deliberately condemning vulnerable people to be trapped in Libya, or die at sea,” said Karline Kleijer, MSF head of emergencies, in a statement on June 29th. “They do this fully aware of the extreme violence and abuses that refugees and migrants suffer in Libya.”

Last week was the deadliest so far this year on the Mediterranean, according to MSF. The organization stated that at least 220 people drowned. "These were avoidable tragedies," adds the statement.

Most EU leaders nevertheless hailed the new deal, the details of which remain unclear, as a breakthrough. "We will protect better, cooperate more and we reaffirm our principles," said French President Macron on Friday morning.

Macron tweeted: "In the face of the migration crisis: Europe lives up to its history."

Austria's populist chancellor, Sebastian Kurz, hailed the agreement. "For the first time we have an accord on refugee centres outside the EU... it's a big step. If we can only ensure that people do not come to Europe we could end trafficking and massively reduce the number of refugees coming into Europe. What is important is that this is implemented soon," said Chancellor Kurz, reports AFP.

The central European Visegrad states of Poland, Hungary, Slovakia and the Czech Republic known as the V4 crowed victory. "Quotas were an issue for four years, and now everyone has dropped the topic. It was a big fight, the V4 was united and we achieved our goal. It's a big success," Czech PM Andrej Babis said.

In another development, Germany said Friday it had sealed deals with Greece and Spain to take back migrants registered in those countries, in a step toward defusing a row in Chancellor Angela Merkel's fragile ruling coalition.

"Greece and Spain are prepared to accept asylum seekers who are in future identified by German authorities at the German-Austrian border and who have a Eurodac registration in those countries," the German government said, referring to the EU asylum fingerprint database.

France joins Italy's criticism of NGO migrant rescue ships

How to save lives without becoming "taxi services" for people smugglers? Charity-run rescue boats operating in the Mediterranean face a dilemma and their activity is being increasingly criticized by politicians in Europe. Humanitarian groups have been operating rescue ships in the sea between war-torn Libya and Italy for several years, plucking tens of thousands of migrants from dangerously overcrowded and ill-equipped boats, sometimes from the sea itself.

Organizations such as France's SOS Mediterranee, Germany's Mission Lifeline or Spain's Proactiva Open Arms are driven by a logic of saving lives: without them, even more people would have perished than the roughly 1,000 already dead or missing in the Mediterranean this year.

But French President Emmanuel Macron has now added his voice to critics who see the NGOs as helping the violent gangs that make millions offering mostly African migrants a passage to Europe. He said on Tuesday that Mission Lifeline had defied "all the rules" when it took migrants onto its boat last week when the Libyan coastguard was already intervening.

"We cannot permanently accept this situation," he warned in comments in Rome, adding: "In the end we are playing into the hands of smugglers by reducing the risks of the journey."

The Lifeline boat, with 233 migrants on board, has been in limbo for days in the Mediterranean as a result of a new policy from Italy's new populist government which has been preventing rescue boats from docking in its ports. The arrival of nearly 700,000 people by boat since 2013 partly explains the rise to power of the anti-immigrant League and populist Five Star Movement, with the decision to block ports backed by a majority of Italians.

R229 Useless, backward and you forgot to include IQs in the 70 and below range.

Italy claims victory as EU leaders agree on last minute reforms on migration

It took a full night of negotiations but Italy nevertheless scored a victory for its migration policy with a pan-European deal which will see a spate of new measures and a more collaborative approach among Member States. "Today Italy is no longer alone. We are satisfied," Conte told reporters after an all-night summit in Brussels during which he had vetoed a joint statement until he won concessions from the other 27 leaders, reports AFP. Italy's new populist Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte hailed the agreement on Friday June 29th, stating that his country was "no longer alone" after securing a deal with EU leaders for steps to tackle migration.

The agreement will see several major changes to the former policy, whereby migrants arriving in the EU had to be registered in their country of arrival.

"A new approach has been adopted regarding sea rescues: from now on we foresee actions based on sharing and therefore coordinated among the Member States," reads the agreed document, according to Italian news agency ANSA.

The new approach envisages a more coordinated approach to resettling refugees in the EU, as well as new rules for NGO rescue ships operating in the Mediterranean.

A key concession that the populist Italian government managed to extract from its EU partners is how rescue missions should be governed. "All the ships that cross the Mediterranean, therefore also NGO vessels, must respect the laws and must not interfere with the operations of the Libyan Coast Guard," states the document, according to Italian daily Repubblica.

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[quote]Italy claims victory as EU leaders agree on last minute reforms on migration

It's a bit of progress and that's all. More than anything the meeting exposed the hypocrisy of the EU.

It says a lot that this morning the BBC and TheGuardian have no articles or comments about this meeting on the homepage of their websites.

They want to paint Salving as an evil "Populist", as a far right extremist... but the truth is, at least regarding this issue he has been right. Of course they'll never admit that.

*They want to paint Salvini

And Trump becomes more popular.

And the rest of the migrants come up through Central America and Mexico...

Chaos agents, like the T, very expensive ones. Even as a self described megalomaniac, surely even Soros has exceeded his original aims.

Good for Italy, this nonsense needs to stop. These people will never integrate, their culture is too at odds with European culture, and they are a drain on resources.

"The 5 Countries that set World Culture".

Italy is ranked #1....and this is the country that George Soros wants overrun with African migrants.

I think wants was a while back, R244. The rest of them are coming up through the Americas and Mexico.

The German government coalition collapsed today over this issue.

Merkel is out, and so are the immigrants.

Yes, a big shitstorm in the German parliament today. People have fucking had it all over Europe.

R247

The Czechs and Austrians told Germany to fuck off this afternoon, that’s what turned a managed crisis (the Bavarian revolt was inevitable) into an EU crisis.

Italy is just the first phase.

Bombing the shit out of N.Africa and the Middle East for nearly 3 decades has worked out very well for them.

They didn't bomb it enough lol!

Wow. Have been out all day, do you have a link, R246?

The Mexican election swings things the other way here. It would make sense to screen for asylum in the south of Mexico but cutting off the deluge of humanity cuts off the associated $$$ I would think.

A lot of $ was spent on placards and port a potties this weekend, wonder what the result will be?

Why are Jews so Leopold and Loeb about secure US borders?

Germany today

Wonder what is going on behind the scenes.

Turnout at Soros/Move On demonstrations in my area was not large. It was hot, but I am not sure that public sentiment in my town is in favor of an Open Societies agenda. The media is good at pushing emotional buttons but many people at my job seem to have a goal of NOT repeating what has gone on in the EU. People have said that they worry about a bounty on the head of kids if anyone accompanied by children is allowed to enter freely. People worry about the economic burdens of migrants vs. refugees and AI has hit my industry hard already. We also have MS-13 linked crime, so it is not an abstract concern.

The disruption and expense in the EU, even if many are eventually deported, is staggering.

Why is Bolton in that picture? Evil little people man.

R251 I know who they were but I don't understand the allusion.

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R241 She is the reason why he got in the first place.

Merkel agrees to border camps to hang onto power.

BERLIN — Chancellor Angela Merkel, who staked her legacy on welcoming hundreds of thousands of migrants into Germany, agreed on Monday to build border camps for asylum seekers and to tighten the border with Austria in a political deal to save her government.

It was a spectacular turnabout for a leader who has been seen as the standard-bearer of the liberal European order but who has come under intense pressure at home from the far right and from conservatives in her governing coalition over her migration policy.

Although the move to appease the conservatives exposed her growing political weakness, Ms. Merkel will limp on as chancellor. For how long is unclear. The nationalism and anti-migrant sentiment that has challenged multilateralism elsewhere in Europe is taking root — fast — in mainstream German politics.

Ms. Merkel agreed to the latest policy after an insurrection over migration policy led by her interior minister, Horst Seehofer, threatened to bring down her coalition.

When, if ever, will pressure be put on Soros to stop facilitating, if not incentivizing the mass movement of people on a global scale?

[quote] hundreds of thousands of migrants into Germany

wasn't it more than 1.6 million migrants.?

[quote]When, if ever, will pressure be put on Soros to stop facilitating, if not incentivizing the mass movement of people on a global scale?

It won't. We'll just have to wait until he's dead.

R261, people like him and Cheney invariably seem to have unduly long lifespans. Rothschilds too, hmmm...

r262 Yes, and David Rockefeller who lived to be 101. They have paid good money for access to some secret life prolonging elixir for sure.

Both the left and the right are responsible for the global migration crisis, as they both overplayed their ideology. The left has branded anyone opposed to free migration as a racist, which shut down constructive problem solving and created a backlash, thus Trump.

The right has an irrational objection to distributing any and all forms of birth control where it is desperately needed in the third world. Population control WILL take place; if not medically, then via war and/or famine. Hard to reconcile that violence is more palatable to our religious extremists than a medical intervention.

How is it possible to miss simple things, like the obligation of sitting politicians to get taxpayers' explicit consent before launching programs with huge long term welfare expense implications (like absorbing over a million non-citizen potential recipients in a couple of years)? Political correctness versus financial resource realities ?

Germany's generous welfare state will pay billions every year to supply these migrants with housing, cash allowances, and health and dental care - only to support a deeply frustrated foreign-born proletariat that will not integrate into German society, because that requires steady work, and exposure to locals.

What you are seeing here is the inherent failure of the implementation of the Liberal World Order. In a lot of ways, Chancellor Merkel was the last adherent to this philosophy in power. From Brexit to Nationalistic movements in Austria, Netherlands, Italy and even Mexico, not to mention Donald J Trump, the open borders, free trade, world citizen mantras of the Liberal World Order are crumbling.

It would seem that the people of the world like their countries and national identities. The subjugation of the working class to the elitist liberal policies are anathema to the psyche of vast swathes of the citizenry. Just as Marxism and Communism failed so too will this attempt at merging disparate economies, financial institutions and governmental policy bodies under a common worldview philosophy.

People care about sovereignty. People care about their own unique cultures and values. Forcing egalitarian principals across such vast populations was doomed to failure. EU is falling apart. multi-national trade deals are falling apart. How long until the Euro zone disintegrates under the weight of sovereign debt?

Let's hope, as we transition away from the liberal, collective models, that the world does not over-correct into authoritarian, hyper-nationalistic fiefdoms (may be too late with the rise of people like Erdogan, Duerte and maybe even Xi in China).

Put a stake in the Liberal World Order. It's done.

Surely anyone can see the differences between migration where people bring their skills and desire to contribute and illegal migration or asylum seeking. Wealthy societies have an obligation to aid victims of war, famine/drought or persecution. But people with no marketable skills,no means of support, barely literate in their own language, who come from a country that is not at war, not suffering famine or drought, who are not persecuted for their religion or otherwise, and whose arrival is through breaching a border - that is a different story.

R266

If you have an advanced degree, or a million in cash, or a unique talent, I say “Welcome To America”! You will add to our society.

If you have none of the above, and little potential to achieve them, then traditional immigration routes are still available. A welfare state cannot coexist with open borders.

How much attention is the US public paying to what is going on in the EU? It is quite a cautionary tale.

R267, you mean like Rupert Murdoch? Now there’s a perfect model citizen. Rich as hell carpetbagger who cares nothing for America. Got even richer by sticking a knife in his adopted country’s back for fun and profit. No thanks.

The whole point of allowing peasant class people to come here and assimiliate is: 1. Poor guy with nothing arrives; 2. Poor guy gets a job as a janitor and has kids; 3. Kids go to college and are 100% assimilated Americans; 4. Kids (or grandkids) elected Governor or President.

The reason you want to do it that way is that people who arrive with educations and technical skills already are taking jobs from Americans. Rich guys are arrogant and think they’re already a success so they don’t have to accommodate anybody else. They’ve already made it and they have no loyalty to the USA. They have no skin in the game. They are here to bring their foreign attitudes and be accommodated.

Poor people have to fit in. Anything they get is an improvement over what they had before. This inspires loyalty. Money without loyalty is dangerous.

R268 What some writing here do not seem to understand is this quote :

“The migration question will decide whether Europe can survive,” Angela Merkel told German MPs on Wednesday as she defended the planned camps."

The migration question will decide whether Europe can survive. My prediction is that it won't.

>>>>The whole point of allowing peasant class people to come here and assimiliate is: 1. Poor guy with nothing arrives; 2. Poor guy gets a job as a janitor and has kids; 3. Kids go to college and are 100% assimilated Americans; 4. Kids (or grandkids) elected Governor or President.

I am pretty sure this will never happen with the draft-dodging sub-Saharan Muslim migrants who are arriving in Europe. They and their children will be a disruptive, non-productive, resource-consuming underclass well into the future.

>>>>The whole point of allowing peasant class people to come here and assimiliate is: 1. Poor guy with nothing arrives; 2. Poor guy gets a job as a janitor and has kids; 3. Kids go to college and are 100% assimilated Americans; 4. Kids (or grandkids) elected Governor or President.

I am pretty sure this will never happen with the draft-dodging sub-Saharan Muslim migrants who are arriving in Europe. They and their children will be a disruptive, non-productive, resource-consuming underclass well into the future.

The same migrants are also coming to the US, up through Central America and Mexico, R272. People think the migrants are all Mexican but that is not true. Mexicans can easily be bused back. People from Libya, the Congo and Sudan, not so much.

Why is the immigration status of the statue protester being withheld? If she gets deported it cannot possibly have been worth it.

How the hell do illiterate, impoverished Africans get from sub-Saharan Africa to Mexico? Are they international jetsetters?

[quote]How the hell do illiterate, impoverished Africans get from sub-Saharan Africa to Mexico?

The media does do spin so well!

Majority of illegal migrants to Canada in 2018 are Nigerians with U.S. travel visas

Is ignorance really bliss?

Mexicans are easy to bus back.

Haitians and Sudanese, not so much.

I do not recall Nigeria being at war?

The Congolese immigrant who climbed the Statue of Liberty is a naturalized US citizen, ie, she followed the rules and regulations and the long wait period to do things legally. Curious that the media almost always omits that fact and just calls her an immigrant.

Immigration law and policy and quotas are being circumvented by attempting to reclassify everyone as a refugee and to include dv and fear of gang violence rather than political persecution.

R274, planes and ships mostly, then up through the Americas on foot, trucks, etc.

Well, if they can't even manage 15 miles from the Libyan coast without needing to be rescued, how do they make it across the Atlantic Ocean?

The exercise off the coast of Libya is orchestrated, R282. It is a means to an end.

Who is orchestrating it, R283?

Cannot really bus people back to Senegal from Texas.

Looking at the impact on the EU, in unchecked migration really a good idea? It seems like a novel one too. Nations have always protected and controlled their borders, unless they were being invaded. This Open Society idea is being imposed, but is it good for ordinary citizens? France, UK, Italy, Germany and Greece seem to suggest, maybe not.

The French government has recently said that African nations must stop this. We shall see if they back their words with actions.

Read the thread, R284. Did you actually believe that mass migration overwhelming Western countries was just some organic, spontaneous thing?

The elephant (do we still have any?) on the European and world "couch" is human overpopulation driving 28,000,000 migrants worldwide. The world order is under threat because open borders can only lead to constant immigration from primarily Muslim North Africa and the Middle East. Nothing against Muslims, but they have depowered their women's right to choose, get an education, and compete with men in the workplace, all of which determine how many children a woman will choose to bring into this already overcrowded world, including Europe.

Furthermore, population density stress is the primary cause of all of our "diseases of civilization" and they are killing us ever more effectively. Crowded animals have reduced fertility and fecundity, just like Europe currently. However, this effect is much studied with lab animals and ultimately ends with species extinction. This runaway train is headed for a bad end and open borders are part of the problem. Muslim countries (and Catholic, as well) will only be forced to change their cultures and give women reproductive choice when they can no longer feed their starving children or are dying from AIDS.

The great European migrations to the Americas saved Europe then, but there are no more frontiers, unless we infect other planets with our unwanted billions. This is not a difficult problem, if we're willing to face the truth.

R285's article:

[quote]No food, no water: African migrants recount terrifying Atlantic crossing

JFC, they cross the fucking OCEAN and they're surprised that it's a harrowing journey? They're all lucky they even made it alive.

[quote]Did you actually believe that mass migration overwhelming Western countries was just some organic, spontaneous thing?

No, I don't. I just wanted to hear your opinion.

I think it is to break down countries in the push for one-corporate-state globalism.

It needs to be depicted in the most sympathy garnering light, R288.

Many posters had ancestors that arrived here by boat, they did not have a comfortable trip, and many were sent back.

In the past, immigrants (a different word than migrant) were expected to assimilate, learn the language and support themselves and their families. Now, many expect lifelong benefits and to impose their culture on the new country. The analogy of times passed does not hold. Bit more like the Crusades.

Seems that way, huh, R289...T and migrants have the same financial and political/societal backers and are seemingly chaos agents. It is surreal when prior conspiracy theories, like Walmarts being turned into holding facilities turn out to be true.

People use words like prophesy but instead, it seems to have been an agreed upon plan.

What has changed that there are so many coming now and they are letting them in?

Read the thread, R292.

Italy has begun to hold the line on ports so migrants have already been re-routed to Spain. There is already high unemployment there. Where is the $ to come from for lifelong benefits for all these people?!

Traffickers must be making a fortune.

What is happening in all these countries now that the young men have left? A small number of women and children are included among the migrants for the optics, but what of the elderly left behind? The similarities to the Crusades cannot be discounted but due to the media framing and language, has anyone noticed?

R294 Spain has a newly elected Socialist government.

Now that they're letting everyone in, let's see how long that government lasts.

R269

[quote]The reason you want to do it that way is that people who arrive with educations and technical skills already are taking jobs from Americans.

Those immigrants with capital and/or skills don’t “take jobs from Americans”, they create jobs.

A doctor has to employ nurses, and pays for babysitting/food/transport/etc., as does any other skilled worker. Very wealthy people bring lots of capital that can be put to more productive use in a free market system, making everyone in the country wealthier in the process. (Not that the US is a free market, it’s just the least bad big market)

All them pay taxes.

Automatic green cards for people who meet a checklist of higher education, liberal culture, high net worth, and special skills would be beneficial to our society. Allowing unchecked migration of low skill, low education people into a welfare state is a recipe for disaster.

Intelligent, healthy, hard working people are a plus to any society.

What is Spain thinking? Do the migrants want to stay there or are they headed to the UK and Germany for richer pickings?

Jewish r297 is twisting facts. Millions of people have lost jobs to those who arrived in the foreigner tsunami of the past 20 years or so.

All those H1Bs who displaced Anericans in Jewish Silicon Valley.

R265, over correct 1st. The pendulum will swing about a decade.

News of horrific crime in Germany being suppressed. A 1 year old baby was beheaded on a train platform by her father and her mother (his girlfriend) was stabbed in the chest and later died. There was a video created but the media is silent and police and court reports are heavily redacted. Italy is wise to take these steps. Once the article opens you can click to translate. Poor mom and baby, may they RIP.

Migrants threaten to kill Italian rescuers

No R8 -- you didn't. You're a liar.

Because r303 says so.

Syrian refugees don't speak English vernacular such as "I want to go to Austria and I want to go NOW!", r304. C'mon, Yuri -- you're not even trying.

Migrants REFUSE to claim asylum in Denmark - because they don't get enough BENEFITS

MIGRANTS are refusing to accept asylum in Denmark because the benefits offered to them are not as good as in other European countries.

Merkel wants to bring in 12 million more

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Murderous child migrant in Norway, right click if you need a translation and can stomach the details. May the victim RIP. The minor who stabbed the Norwegian boy to death had been in the country for 3 years.

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Google the word pogrom.