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Courtney Love with Sam Lutfi and Ross Butler Accused of Kidnap and Murder Plot

Hmm, Ross Butler has been in Riverdale and 13 Reasons Why, and was just a few weeks ago cast in DC's Shazam. How strange.

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Courtney Love is being sued by her daughter's ex-husband, alleging she conspired to have him murdered over ownership of her late husband Kurt Cobain's 1959 Martin D-18E guitar that was used during Nirvana's iconic MTV Unplugged in New York performance in 1993.

Along with several others, Sam Lutfi -- who managed Britney Spears during her public meltdown in 2007 -- is also named in the suit and accused of supplying illicit drugs to Love's daughter, Frances Bean Cobain, as well as kidnapping, attempted murder, false imprisonment, extortion and more. Actor Ross Butler, star of 13 Reasons Why, is also accused of playing a role.

According to the civil complaint filed in Los Angeles County, Love, Lutfi and Butler entered into a criminal conspiracy to commit trespass, burglary, home invasion, robbery, assault, battery, kidnapping and murder against Silva, all in order to take possession of the guitar, which is believed to be worth millions of dollars. Billboard has reached out to Love's rep for comment.

A source close to the family told Billboard, "Frances and the family are prepared to fight with a fury of unprecedented legal force and they will prevail."

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by Anonymousreply 85December 19, 2018 10:06 PM

Since Cobain filed for divorce from Silva in 2016, the guitar has been the subject of public interest and a point of contention in the couple's settlement. (The rare acoustic-electric 1959 Martin D-18E was produced for just a year before being discontinued and the left-handed Kurt Cobain had its bridge and nut adapted so he could play it upside down.) As the press has followed the matter over the past couple years, Love has spoken out on the subject, calling it a "treasured heirloom of the family" and saying, "It's not [Silva's] to take."

But, according to the suit, the guitar was gifted to Silva by Cobain in 2014 six months before their wedding as a dating anniversary present, marking a sentimental time in their turbulent relationship. The documents go into great depth detailing Sivla's gift to Cobain for the same anniversary -- an extravagant and heartfelt conversion of the couple's spare bedroom designed, essentially, in tribute to Cobain and her interests. The lawsuit also notes that Cobain needed Love's permission to remove the Martin D-18E guitar from storage, as both of their consent was required for such a decision.

As well, it is described that Cobain never showed any interest in or asked that Silva return the guitar when she initially left him in February 2016 and filed for divorce a month later. Yet, according to Silva's suit, once Love and her business manager and so-called "rottweiler" Lutfi got involved, the battle over the guitar -- along with some property rights -- became life-threatening.

Silva and Cobain began dating in 2010 and started living together a year later. But, according to Silva's lawsuit, when Love moved to Los Angeles to be closer to her daughter in 2012, soon after Lutfi began supplying Cobain with narcotics and illicit benzodiazepines, which Cobain and Lutfi referred to as "cookies." Often the drugs would be delivered by Butler in secret, without Silva knowing.

From there, according to Silva, Cobain developed an addiction, which was supported by Lutfi, causing great strain to their relationship and resulting in Silva ending their engagement at one point. In 2014 the couple married, but Cobain's alleged drug use only intensified over the years, leading up to a grand mal seizure later that year that nearly killed Cobain at the couple's home while Silva was there with his young daughter, Arlo. Still, according to the suit, her drug use persisted leading up February 2016 when she disappeared from the couple's home in West Hollywood, California.

by Anonymousreply 1June 2, 2018 1:18 PM

As Silva and Cobain worked to amicably settle their divorce without attorneys, the lawsuit says the guitar became a point of contention for Love and Lutfi and the two "became obsessed with finding a way to retrieve the guitar from Silva."

From there, Love, Lutfi, Butler and a chauffeur named Yan Yukhtman allegedly hacked into Silva's iMessage account and sent out messages "making it appear Silva was despondent and on a mental precipice contemplating suicide." This was allegedly part of a plan to commit a home invasion, kidnap Silva, murder him, make it appear to be a suicide and recover the guitar, as well as remove him from claims to the couple's house, another house they had acquired for Silva's daughter Arlo and her mother and any spousal support.

Silva reported the suspicious activity to the Los Angeles Police Department, noting, according to the suit, that it follows "a disturbingly similar pattern and course of conduct to the modus operandi of Lutfi" in various previous harassment cases. From there, things worsens, as Lutfi and Love allegedly began threatening Silva's friends, family and bandmates in attempt to turn them against Silva.

Shortly after midnight on June 3, 2016, according to the lawsuit, Lutfi, Butler and Yukhtman broke into Silva's house and tried to enter his bedroom -- where he had been watching a movie with a friend -- claiming they were the police. Lutfi allegedly yelled at and threatened the friend, telling him to leave, before Butler and Yukhtman pushed him out of the house. Following some struggling, the documents continue, Silvia was overpowered and then threatened to calm down by Lutfi "grabbing Silva's genitals through his pants, and whispered to Silva, 'Listen f----t, calm the fuck down or we'll drag you upstairs and take turns fucking you.' In fear for his life, Silva tried to appear calm and cooperative. However, he claims, Lutfi, Butler and Yukhtman continued to threaten him and physically removed Silva from his Curson Avenue residence against his will," forcing him into the back seat of a Cadillac Escalade outside and driving off.

Silva's friend had been outside calling 9-1-1 from his car and was able to drive ahead of the Escalade, blocking its way on the narrow canyon road trying to prevent Silva's captors from getting away, the suit claims. When police arrived in cars and a helicopter overhead, Silva claims Lutfi "hurriedly concocted a false story intended to prevent LAPD from arresting them" and threatened the lives of Silva's family -- including his 7-year-old daughter Arlo -- if he didn't go along with it. "In shock and fearing for his life and the lives of his family and daughter," Silva agreed to go along with Lutfi's story that they were old college friends and the kidnapping had been a prank.

by Anonymousreply 2June 2, 2018 1:19 PM

Were it not for the intervention of Silva's friend and the LAPD, the suit says, "it is believed, based upon facts and evidence, that Silva would have been taken to a secondary crime scene and murdered on June 3, 2016."

The lawsuit also several times tries to draw parallels between the allegedly false narrative Love and her cohorts attempted to establish around Silva with the often-speculated upon death of Kurt Cobain. Silva claims that Kurt Cobain's mother Wendy O'Connor confided in him that she was "keenly aware of the disturbing correlations between his circumstances and those of O'Connor's late son." She also said that she "believed Love to be involved in the alleged suicide of her son, Kurt Cobain."

Once LAPD left the scene, the suit claims Lutfi, Butler, Yukhtman and Silva returned to the house, where Silva was held hostage for several hours while he was threatened repeatedly over the location of the 1959 Martin D-18E guitar. Silva eventually told Lutfi that the guitar was not there because he was in the process of recording with his band. Eventually, Lutfi allegedly changed his tactic to extorting Silva into signing a settlement agreement looking to accomplish the original objectives of their conspiracy with the help of attorney Marc Gans -- demanding Silva agree to surrender the guitar, any claim to the houses and spousal support from Cobain, as well as all photographs and recordings of Cobain he had acquired during their relationship and marriage. In return, Lutfi said he had convinced Love and Cobain to offer him $120,000 if Silva signed the agreement with those terms and the harassment would end. Eventually, Lutfi left the house, where Silva remained to scared to leave on his own.

Later that day, Silva's mother and sister brought him and his daughter Arlo back to their home in Orange County for safety. But Lutfi's harassment and threats continued, according to the suit, as he tried to further pressure Silva into signing the settlement agreement, including stalking him and his family. As well, Lutfi allegedly sought to defame Silva and undermine his claims to the guitar and property. According to the lawsuit, Lutfi caused one of Silva's friends to lose his job at the Chateau Marmot, posted a Craigslist ad with his daughter's puppy advertising a free dog with her mother's phone number attached, and illegally rerouted Silva's mail delivery to his own apartment.

Throughout it all, Silva claims he was afraid to go to the police because of the constant threats and he was convinced by Lutfi that he, Love and Cobain "controlled the LAPD, judicial system, and media." Finally on June 8, 2016, he did file a police report and obtained a temporary restraining order against Lutfi later that month.

Silva and Cobain's divorce was finalized last year and the two reached a settlement agreement earlier this year. Silva's attorney Douglass Unger could not speak to whether the harassment ended entirely following the restraining order, but confirmed that under the settlement agreement Silva retained possession of the guitar, while Cobain won rights to the couple's property and was free from any spousal support.

by Anonymousreply 3June 2, 2018 1:20 PM

Lufti is a the biggest scumbag on earth. How is he not dead? Should have been tortured and killed years ago, after he ruined Brittney. Don't any of his many, many victims have gang connections to make it happen?

by Anonymousreply 4June 2, 2018 1:38 PM

So bizarre, and yet, believable.

One wonders, R4....

by Anonymousreply 5June 2, 2018 2:01 PM

I wonder if Frances Bean will go the way of Bobbi Kristina.

by Anonymousreply 6June 2, 2018 2:03 PM

I thought Frances had her shit together. Guess not. But how could she with those parents?

by Anonymousreply 7June 2, 2018 2:42 PM

Wow. History repeats itself. Nearly.

by Anonymousreply 8June 2, 2018 2:42 PM

Insane. Reggie from Riverdale and Courtney Love?! Truth is stranger than fiction, so it’s gotta be true. No one could imagine that.

What is the point, by the way, of linking to a news story and also pasting the news story into multiple posts?

by Anonymousreply 9June 2, 2018 2:43 PM

R9 - I prefer the lasting. One, it gets around paywalls. Two, more importantly, you can refer to the piece when composing a response without having to leave the thread, which I appreciate when I am on my phone, which is usually.

by Anonymousreply 10June 2, 2018 2:52 PM

^ pasting.

The downside to the phone is autocorrect.

by Anonymousreply 11June 2, 2018 2:52 PM

Courtney’s a sociopath.

by Anonymousreply 12June 2, 2018 2:55 PM

Where was Frances in all of this?

He should sell the guitar to someone else.

Sam Lufti, blast from the past, what is he some kind of handler?

by Anonymousreply 13June 2, 2018 3:08 PM

Maybe this is like OJ...she got away with the murder of Kurt but pathology and guilt and madness are driving her to be convicted for other crimes.

by Anonymousreply 14June 2, 2018 3:09 PM

I seriously hope that someday Courtney Love is brought down and the truth about her involvement in Kurt's suicide comes out.

by Anonymousreply 15June 2, 2018 3:17 PM

Garbage people.

Jesus.

by Anonymousreply 16June 2, 2018 4:05 PM

As bizarre as all this appears it could be true to some extent. Crazy Courtney is perfectly capable of staging an abduction or beat down over this. I don't know about murder, that seems a bit far fetched, but I can see her becoming enraged and deciding to teach this guy a lesson.

by Anonymousreply 17June 2, 2018 4:20 PM

Too twisted for colour tv!

by Anonymousreply 18June 2, 2018 4:29 PM

[quote]Sam Lufti, blast from the past, what is he some kind of handler?

He's a Hollywood drug dealer who prays on vulnerable celebs. Gets them addicted to drugs, makes them dependent on him and then gets control of their money.

by Anonymousreply 19June 2, 2018 4:50 PM

I'm team Courtney.

by Anonymousreply 20June 2, 2018 4:55 PM

Bump

by Anonymousreply 21June 16, 2018 1:25 AM

Re: Kurt's suicide, why do so many people have such a hard time believing a heroin addict who was very open about his struggles with addiction and depression committed suicide? I've never understood the rabid insistence that Courtney murdered him.

by Anonymousreply 22June 16, 2018 1:37 AM

Why doesn’t he sell it to somebody, if he’s not going to sell or give it back to them? It seems weird to hang on to your ex’s famous dad’s guitar.

by Anonymousreply 23June 16, 2018 1:37 AM

I agree, R22: he had relatives who committed suicide, he made a movie called “Kurt’s Bloody Suicide” when he was a teenager, and given that he was a heroin addict at the time, she could have easily just made sure that he overdosed all the way for once instead.

by Anonymousreply 24June 16, 2018 1:45 AM

Seems weird people have kind of forgotten about this. Especially in regards to Ross.

Personally? I think he should give the guitar back. Do I think it's worth death threats over? No. But I'm not entirely sure how much of this is true or exaggerated.

by Anonymousreply 25June 16, 2018 1:50 AM

Sam Lutfi was involved? I'm sure no laws were broken then!

by Anonymousreply 26June 16, 2018 1:56 AM

Out of spite, r23, and also so he can brag that he has that guitar.

by Anonymousreply 27June 16, 2018 1:56 AM

I believe all of this. This sort of chaos follows CL everywhere. She has such dark energy. SMH.

by Anonymousreply 28June 16, 2018 2:17 AM

R22 R24 Yes those things are true but consider these two facts. After his overdose in Rome that were from pills prescribed to Courtney he woke up in the hospital with a breathing tube down his throat. They gave him a pad to write on and the first thing he wrote was "Fuck you Courtney". It's also a fact that the amount of heroin he shot before his "suicide" would have killed him instantly so it's impossible he would have shot himself when he was already dead.

by Anonymousreply 29June 16, 2018 2:26 AM

What was her motive r29?

I have heard the rumors that Courtney killed Kurt but never have read anything about it.

by Anonymousreply 30June 16, 2018 2:32 AM

Sam Lufti and Courtney Love together could create a drug induced apocalypse.

by Anonymousreply 31June 16, 2018 2:38 AM

R22 I watched some documentaries that really shed light on what may have happened.

Creepy.

by Anonymousreply 32June 16, 2018 2:40 AM

Anyone can file a civil lawsuit. Frances Bean’s ex doesn’t sound very credible.

by Anonymousreply 33June 16, 2018 2:41 AM

R30 Money. He was going to divorce her and she wanted that Nirvana money. Live Through This only sold because it came out after his death and because of its title. He helped her write most of it and she hasn't made a decent album since. She also admits she blew through about 17 million in Nirvana residuals on drugs and living the high life.

by Anonymousreply 34June 16, 2018 2:44 AM

[quote]It's also a fact that the amount of heroin he shot before his "suicide" would have killed him instantly

No, it’s not a fact. “A 1999 Swiss study where heroin addicts were allowed to take as much heroin as they wanted found that many individuals were able to function daily while taking 300 to 500 mgs of heroin per day. In one extraordinary case a man was able to function on 2gs per day. According to Cobain murder conspiracy theorist Tom Grant, Kurt had 225 mgs of heroin in his body the day he died or 1.52/mgs per liter of morphine in his blood according to his autopsy in the Seattle Police Report. Grant theorizes that this level is ‘three times a lethal dose of heroin’ was was well below the level of severe but functioning accidents according to the Swiss study. If Kurt could function at well below the level of the heroin addicts tested in the Swiss study he would not have been ‘instantly killed’ by that dose and would be able to function and pull a shotgun trigger.” The study is linked from this article.

Tom Grant seems kind of into being famous, does he not?

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by Anonymousreply 35June 16, 2018 2:44 AM

[quote]He was going to divorce her and she wanted that Nirvana money

It’s not that she didn’t have reasons. But he was doing $400 of heroin a day at the time. There were easier ways to kill him.

by Anonymousreply 36June 16, 2018 2:47 AM

R35 The coroner's report states otherwise. He was off heroin for some time and his resistance was down. Also she hired a private detective to look into the possibility that Kurt was murdered and his conclusion was that she was involved in his death. There are several books and documentaries about this. Courtney is a true sociopath.

by Anonymousreply 37June 16, 2018 2:51 AM

R34 That is so sick and insane.

Whoever see Courtney is surrounded by dark energy is right. I've ALWAYS felt that energy whenever I've watched her in interiews or "in real life" - and I actually like some of her work (People vs. Larry and Violet, really). She reminds me of one of those extremely intelligent and contemptuous sociopaths who knows all too well how to "play the role."

by Anonymousreply 38June 16, 2018 2:53 AM

So CL is friends with Lufti, who then got Frances hooked on benzos, etc? Gross.

CL is a beast.

by Anonymousreply 39June 16, 2018 3:15 AM

[quote]The coroner's report states otherwise. He was off heroin for some time and his resistance was down.

What’s your source on that, R37? Heavier Than Heaven has several witnesses who say he was using more heroin than usual in March, and the weekend before he went to rehab he semi-overdosed in somebody else’s apartment and was dragged out to his car by other users (one of whom offered to call 911, but he didn’t want it). That doesn’t leave much time to be clean: just the period after rehab when nobody saw him (although he was spotted with somebody who looked like his dealer). Where is this report?

by Anonymousreply 40June 16, 2018 3:19 AM

R34 live through this didn’t only sell because of Courtney being Kurt’s widow & the name. It was an excellent album. Kurt didn’t help her write any of it. (Maybe Billy Corgan did though) The Hole album that came out before it Pretty on the Inside was s big underground hit when it came out- it actually sold more than Nirvanas 1st album. And the album that followed Celebrity Skin was good too and produced a couple top alternative hits. She also was nominated for a Golden Globe for The People Vs Larry Flint & she was in Man on the Moon & 200 cigarettes following. She’s had her own career outside of him.

by Anonymousreply 41June 16, 2018 3:30 AM

...also Celebrity Skin was critically lauded when it came out & won three Grammys.

by Anonymousreply 42June 16, 2018 3:34 AM

^^^R41 I mean

by Anonymousreply 43June 16, 2018 3:34 AM

It was nominated for three Grammys I mean. It was also a commercial success selling going platinum.

by Anonymousreply 44June 16, 2018 3:36 AM

What’s interesting is that Kurt’s mom hasn’t come out to say that Frances’s ex is lying. In the court documents, it states that he he had conversations with Kurt’s mom where she said she thought Kurt was murdered and that Courtney was involved.

by Anonymousreply 45June 16, 2018 3:41 AM

Singer Mary Lou Lord claims Courtney killed Kurt & has been harassing her for years. She’s also one of Kurt’s ex’s. She stated this in two long, rambling Facebook posts I can’t find right now.

by Anonymousreply 46June 16, 2018 3:44 AM

Mary Lou is also one of Elliott Smith’s ex’s. Must have a thing for depressed, withdrawn junkies.

by Anonymousreply 47June 16, 2018 3:45 AM

Kurt’s paternal grandfather went on record stating he thought Kurt was murdered. Not saying that’s proof of anything but it’s interesting.

by Anonymousreply 48June 16, 2018 3:46 AM

Perhaps it was too much to hope for that Frances would have her stuff together. I'm not surprised she's messed up and an addict, but I wish it weren't the case. I wish she had risen above her beginnings.

by Anonymousreply 49June 16, 2018 3:49 AM

Seriously. How many times does a bell have to ring.

by Anonymousreply 50June 16, 2018 3:49 AM

The stuff that gave me the chills were the recorded phone conversations between the PI Courtney hired, Tom Grant, and Kurt and Courtney’s lawyer (and godmother to their daughter) Rosemary Carroll. Carroll is telling Grant shortly after Kurt’s death that she has her suspicions about what really went down.

by Anonymousreply 51June 16, 2018 3:49 AM

Count me as someone who loves the album Live Through This but who also believes Courtney is a complete sociopath. The two are not mutually exclusive.

by Anonymousreply 52June 16, 2018 3:51 AM

Bingo, R52.

by Anonymousreply 53June 16, 2018 3:58 AM

Here is the link to the lawsuit.

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by Anonymousreply 54June 16, 2018 3:59 AM

My connection is being a birch. Are the murder documentaries on YouTube for the uninformed?

by Anonymousreply 55June 16, 2018 4:03 AM

*bitch

by Anonymousreply 56June 16, 2018 4:06 AM

R49, the kid is so young...to have been in the position to give away something so valuable...what’s obvious to us is not to her.

My mom died when I was 22 & I just couldn’t carry everything of hers with me anymore. I lost so many things along the way. I still have a book & some jewelry.

But that guitar...wow. It’s priceless. She should have it. It belonged to her dad. Bad karma to anyone else in possession of it...

by Anonymousreply 57June 16, 2018 4:34 AM

Why does Frances’s ex husband look like Kurt? That’s kind of creepy. Isaiah is clearly obsessed with Kurt ergo he just married Frances because she’s Kurt daughter. On You Tube there is a video of him with his band & it’s so obvious.

Her new boyfriend is Matt Cook from the band The Cemetery’s. He’s way cuter then Isaiah & seems much less crazy imo. He’s not some Kurt Cobaij wannabe

by Anonymousreply 58June 16, 2018 5:01 AM

^^ the band the ceremonies I mean

by Anonymousreply 59June 16, 2018 5:04 AM

Courtney Love: Finally stepping up to the plate as a mother. I think this guy married her daughter just so he could divorce her and get Kurt Cobain shit.

by Anonymousreply 60June 16, 2018 5:36 AM

R57. I used to be in the music industry, and, I assure you, that guitar meant nothing to Cobain. He probably had hundreds of guitars, and that just happened to be the one he grabbed to play on the show. Yes, the guitar has some value. I have a similar Martin 0016, which is worth something, but his is worth a LOT more because of its place in music history. People outside the industry attach all these emotions to guitars that people who work with them every day just don't. There are enough obsessive fans to drive the price up, but the sentiment is theirs, not the owner's. Why does Frances - or Courtney -- want the guitar back so badly? I assure you that it is not for sentimental reasons. It is purely because Kurt's fans drove the price up, and they want something of monetary value. The sentimental value for them is nothing.

by Anonymousreply 61June 16, 2018 2:57 PM

R61 I’m pretty sure that most people have a pretty good understanding of how collectibles work. Assuming that Frances Bean loved her ex; then sentimentality would have been the reason behind gifting the guitar to her husband. She wanted to give him something that was important and meaningful to her. So she most definitely has a great deal of sentimentality attached to the guitar.

by Anonymousreply 62June 16, 2018 3:24 PM

New today: Courtney has filed a restraining order against Sam Lutfi ... I guess she's getting ready to build her defense in the Silva court case due to start next year.

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by Anonymousreply 63December 10, 2018 10:14 PM

Love, 54, filed court documents on Monday claiming Lutfi, her former manager, has been demanding money through emails, texts and phone calls.

In the docs, Lutfi claims Love hasn’t paid him for services he rendered.

Sources told The Blast that the messages have been “filthy, nasty and threatening.”

Love also hopes the judge will stop Lutfi from going after her sister and her daughter Frances Bean, who she shares with the late Kurt Cobain.

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by Anonymousreply 64December 10, 2018 10:17 PM

It's gonna get ugly

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by Anonymousreply 65December 10, 2018 10:51 PM

[R65] Is it me or does it appear that Courtney's going for a look that Madonna retired a few years back (pic is from 20150)?

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by Anonymousreply 66December 10, 2018 11:04 PM

R66 Just as long as Love doesn't start wearing a grill 24/7, I'm ok with her hair experiments.

by Anonymousreply 67December 10, 2018 11:09 PM

I love that people still think she murdered Kurt when he made "Kurt’s Bloody Suicide" when he was a teenager, was a depressed heroin addict, had already tried to kill himself with an overdose 3 weeks earlier in Rome (she was the one who called the ambulance lol), and the last song he ever released was literally called "I Hate Myself And Want To Die".

Also the insinuation that Courtney (who can't keep her mouth shut about ANYTHING - including Weinstein) and was frequently high/drunk enough to spill the [Frances] beans, somehow managed to keep it quiet for a quarter century.

This guitar issue sounds like a mess until you realise what a shady character Frances' ex husband is. He seemed like a pretentious piece of shit opportunist from day one. It's not his guitar so I don't see why he should own it.

As for the current legal drama with Courtney, Sam Lutfi isn't exactly known for being the cleanest character in Hollywood.

by Anonymousreply 68December 10, 2018 11:10 PM

The Rohypnol that Kurt supposedly tried to kill himself with in Rome was prescribed to Courtney. When he woke up with a breathing tube down his throat they gave him a pad to write on and the first thing he wrote was, Fuck You Courtney.

by Anonymousreply 69December 11, 2018 12:48 AM

[R69] Wouldn't he have written, "Courtney tried to kill me!" if the allegation behind your story was correct?

by Anonymousreply 70December 11, 2018 12:55 AM

It was Fuck You. Not Fuck You Courtney.

by Anonymousreply 71December 11, 2018 12:59 AM

Wasn't Courtney also rumored to have rounded up underage girls for Jeffrey Epstein?

by Anonymousreply 72December 11, 2018 12:59 AM

R72 Never heard that before. After a quick Google search I saw a 2015 Gawker article that notes her name was one of many in his black book of professional and celebrity contacts, along with Dershowitz, Trump, Baldwin, Clinton... that's kinda interesting but just too "out there" and Pizzagatey for me.

by Anonymousreply 73December 11, 2018 1:04 AM

Does it really seem that far-fetched to you, R73? Women are often used to lure in females so that males can abuse them. Like in the Weinstein case.

It was rumored that high-profile women recruited underage girls for Epstein's sex ring in exchange for money. Like socialite Ghislaine Maxwell did.

These are women that are used to having the finer things in life or perhaps like Love they have drug habits to support. They do these deeds because they don't have the cash flow to support their lavish spending habits.

by Anonymousreply 74December 11, 2018 1:16 AM

Courtney Love did not kill Kurt Cobain. Nor did she have it done. Idiots.

by Anonymousreply 75December 11, 2018 1:30 AM

R75 But you know this is what people have been saying for years. Films and books made on the subject of "Did Courtney kill Kurt?" Endless jokes made at her expense. Real hate from people out there. She's had a hard time getting out from under the shadow of it. I don't know how she ever hoped to build a career in Hollywood, where reputation matters so much. And I love her.

I hope one day she addresses this subject really eloquently and comprehensively.

and R74 there's just no proof she did anything wrong there.

by Anonymousreply 76December 11, 2018 2:41 AM

r53 = frau

by Anonymousreply 77December 11, 2018 5:56 AM

I wonder if she really did off Kurt after all.

Can’t they go back and do some forensics?

by Anonymousreply 78December 11, 2018 6:25 AM

My only definitive conclusion from all of this is that Isaiah Silva looks like he's a bad lay.

by Anonymousreply 79December 11, 2018 6:27 AM

Cobain both took an over dose of heroin, and blew his brains out with a shotgun. Love may be a horrible person, but Cobain wanted to die.

by Anonymousreply 80December 11, 2018 7:08 AM

I can't believe she's never given a serious interview on the conspiracy theories, all these years. It's really time to address it in an adult way with someone like Oprah or some other mainstream /respectable journalist.

by Anonymousreply 81December 11, 2018 6:30 PM

r81, I think it's an "I did not beat my wife!" kind of thing where she may see being goaded into publicly denying it is more humiliating than the accusation itself. Also, allowing one question about the idea that she was behind it means every interviewer in the future will feel like they can ask again.

WTF is she doing hanging out with Ross Butler?

by Anonymousreply 82December 11, 2018 9:11 PM

She may have been mentoring him. She thinks he's cute.

by Anonymousreply 83December 13, 2018 6:23 AM

Leave it to some D A V I D A type(or perhaps the real thing) to inject Courtney Love into the DL weirdos' favorite evil villain Jeffrey Epstein and his Pedophile Island. CL has a lot of scandal attached to her, and she is far from a model of restraint, elegance and propriety, BUT even suggesting that she could possibly serve as a teen prostitute procurer for Epstein is beyond absurd.

Hon, she is not even close to being similar to G. Maxwell. I will give you credit for not claiming she was part of the PIZZA culture

by Anonymousreply 84December 13, 2018 7:58 AM

New details of threats towards both Frances Bean and Jamie King (Love's sister) at the hands of Sam Lutfi. One highlight of the article: "Cobain says she has moved to a confidential location “to remain safe from Mr. Lutfi” and has blocked at least eight phone numbers associated with him."

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