Eldergays, when did it become clear that Roseanne was batshit crazy?

She's always been "off", but it was easier to hide it from the public before social media. Back then, we were left trying to decipher her behaviors (like the National Anthem debacle, her drug-feuled manic phase with Tom Arnold, the direction her sitcom took, the reports of her cruel behavior on set), whereas now we have a straight-up, unfiltered view into her actual thoughts with Twitter...and it's clear to most that she's a loon.

It makes you wonder if DT would be considered a better president if he didn't have a Twitter (not a good president, mind you, just a better one), or if we would have drummed Nixon out of office sooner if all his paranoic rantings were broadcast in real time instead of released on tapes after the fact.

When she did her talk show.

The fame went to her head immediately, and her misbehavior was on the cover of the tabloids weekly. She was constantly firing people on the show. There's a youtube clip that follows writers of her sitcom; they were all terrified of her, and one of them was near tears. In her bio, Joan Collins talked about her guest episode and how Roseanne cursed at her writers. When Roseanne had a talk show, she had on Norm McDonald and Laurie Metcalf, and Norm pretty much insinuated that she had been a jackass.

Her behavior got worse when she hooked up with Tom Arnold. She wanted to flaunt the relationship, and he egged her on. The national anthem was so weird. She said that she had meant to sing it seriously, but after people had booed her before giving her a chance, she gave up and decided to treat it like a joke. Except...even at the beginning, it sounded as if she hadn't practiced. Had the whole thing been a stunt from the beginning?

I think the worst was accusing her parents of sexual molestation. During that time period "regression therapy" had become a pop psychology buzz word, and it was supposedly helping people "remember" things that they had "forgotten" about their childhood. Roseanne announced that she had recovered lost memories of her parents' having molested and abused her. Her sister and brother vehemently denied the sex abuse accusations. Her dad went to his grave with the accusation hanging over his head. Later, she recanted.

Roseanne's sister had been her managed for years, supporting her on the stand-up circuit before she became famous. Her sister was an open lesbian even back then, and she was probably the influence the led to Roseanne incorporating gay characters on the show. Roseanne suddenly dropped her when she made it big.

When she married Tom Arnold. It was like Ethel Merman and Ernst Borgnine getting married.

FYI her omnipresence/notoriety was so great in that period that I think either Tiny Toons or Animaniacs spoofed her... I'll try to find a clip on youtube

[quote]Except...even at the beginning, it sounded as if she hadn't practiced. Had the whole thing been a stunt from the beginning?

Of course it was a stunt. Roseanne was never a singer. Why would you ask a comedienne to sing such a difficult song? Even average singers have a hard time with the range of the song.

Around 1990 or she, she was like Kim Kardashian. Though many people didn't take her seriously, she was inescapable. The tabloids did do one pretty nasty thing to her, though. They discovered that she'd given up a baby for adoption years earlier, and they threatened Roseanne that if she didn't cooperate with their expose, they were going to contact the kid for the story. They told Roseanne their intent, in hope that she would cooperate with their story. Roseanne managed to contact the kid and meet her in private before the story broke. After that, she was open about the adoption.

Fricking old queens, why couldn't you have created a pussy thread about me? I am way more famous than Kellyanne, Sarah, "Mother" P., and that insufferable Miss Lindsey. You don't think mine stinks?

Her “rendition” of the National Anthem.

Rosey R8, DL is 5 steps ahead of you. Enjoy!

She was always crazy and a conspiracy loon!

We knew she was obnoxious and crazy before the National Anthem stunt, though. Here's an old 1989 Nikki Finke article about Roseanne's crazy behavior:

What R3 said.

Roseanne Barr was the only celebrity where all of the tabloid stories about her were true.

However, you forgot dumping her first husband, who also helped create her show, at the first opportunity, pushing her way back into the life of the daughter she gave up for adoption and paying kids to beat up photographers. Not that I sympathize with paparazzi photographers but they really weren't out of the line during that incident and it showed horrible professional judgement.

Oh yeah, there was that time she threatened to slap Bette Middler until her "eyes roll around in her head like a slot machine" because Bette Midler joked that female comedians were of easy virtue.

Then came all of the plastic surgery.

I may have posted this before, but a fairly well known actress friend of mine was up for a guest part on the old Roseanne. She was waiting in an office, when a TV monitor came flying through a glass wall.

She said to the admin, "I assume auditions are over for the day?". And she never went back, either.

Wow R14. Congrats to your friend for having the backbone to leave.

The star spangled banner was an early clue. That was around when she hooked up with Tom Arnold and they were weekly tabloid fodder for years. Her show was at its peak but it was also notorious for heavy turnover behind the scenes, and turmoil all centered around difficult Roseanne.

The thing is, back then we thought Roseanne was really sticking it to the right people, and passing off all the right people too. Republicans HATED her. She was a feminist, but in an entirely new mold, and she had working class appeal as well. She also championed gay rights like few others at that time.

However she’s been a huge disappointment since then. Now she’s completely washed up and with no legacy to show for it. She’s ruined herself for the last time.

All of the people associated with the show, especially Sara Gilbert knew she was a ticking time bomb. I can't imagine anyone wanting to work with her a second time, especially those that didn't need the money.

Madonna and Roseanne were pretty.much inescapable in the late 80s/early 99s, always in the news and on the front of the tabloids

In 1989, Roseanne appeared in more magazine covers than any celebrity that year. In 1990 , Madonna appeared on more magazine covers than any other celebrity that year

I'm hoping for her to do her concert tour in Trumpland because they'll find out what a nightmare she is. Hollywood always knew.

The moment she first opened her mouth.

She's crazy but she really has looked great lately when made up and styled. She used to be total skank 24/7 ,365.

Ummm R21, Roseanne may have looked various shades of gross, but Skank was never one of her looks...

This is bringing back reminders of Brett Butler.

R17 I would not be surprised if the others signed on with the idea that Roseanne's character and her support of Trump would be debated. Michael Fishman said that she promised that he would be given a "platform" to push back against her.

R23 Yeah, Butler screwed over everyone on her show, but she didn't pull this kind of crap. She paid the price, but, yes, she took everyone down with her too.

I'll never understand people who have that kind of money and still end up screwing up their lives. I guess an idiot is an idiot no matter what. Maybe giving them money is like pouring gasoline on a fire.

[quote]Yeah, Butler screwed over everyone on her show, but she didn't pull this kind of crap.

What did Brett Butler do? I thought that she just had alcohol problems.

R12 that's an amazing article. Thanks.

We all knew after the first season or so of Roseanne. That's when I tuned out.

She was ok getting there, when she was doing her domestic goddess standup routine. I used to watch it at Uncle Charlie's in Greenwich village.

For me it became clear when she AND her bf accused their parents of sexual molestation. LOL! Gee what a coincidence. I watched her show from time to time but I never read about her otherwise. She ain't that interesting.

You never know with these types what is real or what is a deliberate act.

In the beginning I thought her standup was funny. But as she became more successful it was clear that she was was crazy- unstable- you name it. I don't know what's wrong with her aside from having absolutely no impulse control- and what awful impulses. I think Trump is just like her.

It is called self-destruction. One achieves major prominence; believes self to be untouchable; then engages in reckless actions; then is shocked there are repercussions.

Is the ambien defense like the Twinkie defense?

She's always been up front about dealing with mental health issues long before anyone ever heard of "Roseanne Barr."

I thought she was funny way back then. But when humor crosses the line into cruel and insulting, naming names and engaging in personal attacks, its no longer funny.

There is no excuse for her bad behavior, or the negative effect she's had on her costars and crew.

I'm curious to see if there will be many lawsuits, or a class action lawsuit.

R25 Yes, she did. So there is that element of she has this problem and couldn't help herself. So maybe "screwed everyone over" wasn't the right way to put it. But when she went over the edge she did seem to put 110% effort into it, it just seemed like such a f*cked up thing to do.

The woman who played her best friend left the show because she personally couldn't stand her and Butler lifted her skirt and flashed the kid who played her son, and, no, she wasn't wearing underwear, and the kid's mother yanked him off the show so fast it made Butler's foggy little head spin. She would also completely change the script at the very last moment which put a lot of stress on the other actors, especially the kids.

I'm envisioning a brand new episode of South Park.

Or Saturday Night Live.......

When she sang the national anthem at a ballgame, grabbed her crotch, and spit on the ground afterwards on live TV.

A question for long-time followers of Roseanne's antics: years ago I saw R. interviewed by Russia Today about her Green Party Presidential candidacy, and she went on record blathering conspiracy theory stuff, but was she a longterm commentator for Russia Today? It wouldn't surprise me to find foreign state agents hacking about in her cranial canyon of gullibility. I don't know if there's any causality culpability between RT and R's appearances.

r31 Let's hope so.

'ODing on Ambien to stick it to the Libs'

Here's a blog post from a lady who worked as a stand-in on Roseanne.

Now even Roseanne is a 'Russian agent' according to DL...

The constant man-bashing got very old, very quickly.

R38 Thank you so much for this article. May this bitch get EVERYTHING that's coming to her. She has a bazillion dollars and she treats people like this!!!

I hope her downfall is EXTREMELY painful. Goodman sounds like a class act too. Dear Lord!

[quote]Now even Roseanne is a 'Russian agent' according to DL...

Even Chelsea Clinton is a Russian Agent according to DL these days. THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!

The Ambien defense is so frikkin' ridiculous. No one held her mouth open and poured them down her throat.

Another batshit nutcase who skews right politically but disdains personal responsibility. She should look in a mirror. In addition to the fat, sad hag staring back, she should see the source of most of her problems. She won't though. Back to the nut farm for her.

I remember an interview she did with Graham Norton, must have been around the mid 2000s. It's not the one online where they talk about the town of Fucking. In this other interview she was a paranoid tin hat mess and kept going on about 'what you can't say' and what won't be screened on TV and making odd references to 'them'. Norton looked very uncomfortable. I'm sure it will resurface.

"Roseanne Barr was the only celebrity where all of the tabloid stories about her were true."

That's because Roseanne and Tom Arnold LEAKED all of it to the tabloid press - it was (partially) a put on. That's why I thought all of the Trump crap and the bad jokes were a total put-on to sell the show.

Yes I was not at all surprised to read that Roseanne was a nightmare, but expected a little better from Goodman. Shame to read that he treated the stand-in like one of the "little people," especially when the production was leaning on her so heavily.

Just read "My Lives", the book she wrote with her and Tom on the cover. Almost everything in it is proven bullshit now, especially the stuff about her dad molesting her. Can you imagine a father having his famous daughter tell the world that -- and it was absolutely false? Doesn't get more nutty than that if you ask me.

R47 Her father never spoke to her or had anything to do with her again. He refused to see her even when he was on his death bed. I remember seeing him in tears being interviewed and I knew she and Arnold were completely full of sh*t.

You sell your soul and you get what you want. What a world.

Her father WAS a perv, he just wasn't a molester.

"There was a prop rubber cast iron skillet on the stove, in the kitchen set. I got to hit him on the head with it in one scene. I wished it was real."

OH, that's how they did it!

The early warning signs of her lunacy were easy to dismiss. First of all, everyone wanted to like Roseanne (even with all her tabloidy stunts) because everyone really liked the character she portrayed and, just as today, we all assumed there was a near-complete overlap of the two.

Her fighting with writers and producers--oh, well of course she's protective of the character she created. Plus, the show did get much better in the second season after she got her way.

Leaving her first husband after having an affair with Tom Arnold--oh, well people grow apart and that kind of wealth and fame can ruin marriages.

The National Anthem incident--oh, well obviously it was designed to be a stunt. She wasn't asked to do it for her singing voice and it was kind of unfair how the crowd turned on her because they didn't like the joke.

Accusing her parents of abuse--oh, well that seems suspect but you never know what's really going on in people's home lives.

And so on. For a long time she (and Tom) were just kind of loud and nutty, but harmless and often fun. I think for a lot of people, the "OK we're done here" moment was when Roseanne and Tom did some kind of weird marriage ceremony with their assistant. It was an obvious attention-grabbing stunt at a time when she certainly didn't need one. It also came in the midst of all kinds of ridiculous public fights followed by gross-out make ups until their final divorce blowout. By then there were just no more excuses for her left.

I think SNL videos don't link properly so here's the url for below. One of my all-time favorite WU segments: nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/weekend-update-segment---roseanne-arnold/n9959

R34. Expect both soon. Too much comedic value to ignore. SNL will be careful as to content. South Park will get outrageous and hilarious.

"Leaving her first husband after having an affair with Tom Arnold--oh, well people grow apart and that kind of wealth and fame can ruin marriages."

Most all MALE TV stars leave their wives once they get the first big show. No need to get so sexist, R50.

Don't worry Ro', not everyone hates you......

R52, what the fuck are you talking about?

I guess it's okay when a woman does it??

Are you looking for a crusade? Perhaps you should work on your reading comprehension first.

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Tiny Toons did Roseanne not once...

But twice!

The manufacturer of Ambien said it best :

[italic] " Racism Is Not A Side Effect Of Ambien "

She's far more suited to be Trumpty Dumpty's wife than Melania.

I forgot her history but I was reading she had a traumatic brain injury when she was 16 and she was institutionalized for months. So, she has always been "off".

She obviously did not think of Jarrett as black. She was not dumb enough to call a black an ape. Jarrett has a face that looks very much like a chimp. This is solely about the prez of ABC being black. People recognize reverse racism.

Some people just AREN'T SMART ENOUGH to know when to SHUT UP.

Or to offer a SINCERE APOLOGY and TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for their actions.

It's already been revealed that it was about more than just this one Tweet. She had been [italic] warned four times [/italic] before about her Tweeting, and yet she still continued running her mouth off and arrogantly believing she was above any type of disciplinary action. Now I don't know about you, but most workplaces will not even bother letting you off the hook four times for breaking rules before finally having to let you go!

Funny how that clip at r50 looks in 2018. Deplorable Jackson doing deplorable Roseanne introduced by deplorable Miller. Makes me glad Farley is dead; I'd hate to think he'd be a nutjob deplorable now too but with all his drug problems and friends/co-stars from that era (Sandler, Schneider, MacDonald) there's a good chance. His Tom Arnold was spot-on though.

Supposedly, the National Anthem stunt started off with her legitimately trying to sing, but she had started off too high. She realized she screwed up and finished it as a joke. She got a big backlash from that stunt. The President called her a disgrace. And the show fell from the number one spot.

Regarding Bette Midler. I thought she had wanted to punch Bette's lights out because Bette trashed Roseanne in an interview. saying she was crass. Bette said that she was misquoted. They reconciled years later on Roseanne's talk show, but that ended in another blow out backstage with Bette and Barry Manilow.

Her plastic surgery (and weight) was a big focus for the tabloids. She looked particularly awful the second season of her show - her hair was colored like an orange tootsie pop and her face had gotten so fat she had no visible neck. Then she got a breast reduction, a tummy tuck, a face lift, nose job and brow work and by season 5 she looked like she was Native American - long black hair, high cheek bones. Yet the chanage went unmentioned on her show.

Roseanne seemed to go off the rails when she started dating Tom Arnold. After that it was cosmetic surgery, split personalities, and repressed memories.

The strange thing is that Tom Arnold has seemed to go on and live a relatively normal life. Roseanne tried to get it together with bariatric surgery and Kaballah.

Roseanne looks pretty good now. Too bad she's crazy.

"National Anthem stunt started off with her legitimately trying to sing, but she had started off too high. "

R67, you imbecile, the entire act was a joke, were you born yet? It was a bad joke, but it was a joke. If this was 1990, we'd be ha ha haing for days, especially since that stiff George HW Bush was president.

There was a great E! True Hollywood Story on her and the show.

And backstage on the show was so dramatic that FOX produced a behind-the-scenes tell-all TV movie with Patrika Darbo while Roseanne was still running.

Ain't nothin' worse than trash with money. Applies to both Roseanne and the idiot in the White House. ;

Ugly women go off the rails when no man will touch them

It was the Tom Arnold phase for me, which oddly coincided with some of the best years for her show. I also remember a SNL appearance around the time of her divorce from Tom Arnold. There was an unfunny skit where she kept talking about what a small penis he has. Just vindictive and immature. I also heard from a friend in the biz about her nasty reputation on set. But the repressed "memories" of sexual abuse by her parents really took it over the edge for me. Too bad because she was a vocal supporter of gay rights before it was popular for celebrities to do that.

Speaking of Patrika, she appeared in an episode of Roseanne. She was a waitress Roseanne feared Dan was cheating with. I recall the reveal of this woman who seemed to out-Roseanne Roseanne was treated as a big moment.

Patrika didn't play a waitress, she played a woman who worked at a hardware store. Roseanne (the character) was waitressing at the time. Great episode though.

Thank you, R77. I just remembered them meeting at a restaurant.

R75 Tom Arnold had the perfect comeback though, "Even a DC 10 looks small when it lands in the Grand Canyon."

Like Trump, she's one of those people for whom there is no such thing as negative attention. She is just eating all this up right now. Her trouble is that in a week she will be forgotten again, and she will never get a major comedy show again from a respectable network.

R65 yeah but look at how the network opened their presentation to advertisers just two weeks ago, promoting the second season. By highlighting and making jokes about her crazy twitter posts. ABC knew about and loved her being outrageous on twitter, because they knew that controversy brought in viewers, they just didn't think that she would be stupid enough to make an actually outright racist remark. That being said I'm not sure that she did MEAN to make a racist remark, in that, I knew who Valerie Jarrett was and have seen pictures and interviews with her before, but until this happened I didn't realize she was African American, I assumed she was Hispanic or an olive skin white woman, so it isn't a stretch for me to believe that Roseanne honestly didn't know it either.

Well, she was always vulgar...the epitome of 'revenge of the vocational education crowd' . But I think most people were convinced there was something wrong with her disgraceful performance where she screeched the national anthem, spread her legs and scathed her vagina. And today we are upset with black ball players taking the knee.

SOME people are upset that black NFL players are taking the knee. Roseanne is out of work and dropped by her agency, she got the reaction she deserved.

She was probably always way off. When she was with Tom Arnold she became flamboyant in the media and she claimed she had been sexually abused as a kid, later claimed she has multiple personalities. From the beginning of the sitcom, she tortured her co-producers and scared many away. She was often depicted as a tough business woman and show creator with a strong, uncompromising vision. She has always been unabashed about her erratic nature, again sometimes claiming mental illness and abuse are responsible, and she’s self-aware. She had a reality show called Roseanne’s Nuts, which could be read several ways, despite the fact it was set on her macadamia nut farm.

From 1994: In 1994, Roseanne Barr (then Roseanne Arnold) was on top of the TV food chain, fearlessly exploring issues other sitcoms wouldn't touch onscreen—and frankly confronting her many demons (childhood sexual abuse, addiction, the suits at ABC) behind the scenes.

‘I’m bipolar and have ADHD and multiple personality disorder,’ Roseanne Barr once said. ‘But they’re now all in remission due to the powerful drugs I smoke.’ In the same interview, Barr described herself as ‘on the autism spectrum’, and said, ‘I talk directly to God within my own mind and need no intercessor.’

Clinically speaking, Barr is as mad as a bag of badgers. Professionally speaking, disinhibition is no handicap in a comedian, and frequently mistaken for honesty. Socially speaking, she is the kind of person compelled to share her madness.

She was probably crazy in utero.

Tom Arnold seems somewhat sane and charming. Seems weird that he was with her back then.

I don't know if Tom Arnold was off his meds, or on his improvised meds, but he had some pretty interesting things to say about Roseanne the other day.

R74 = Zsa Zsa Gabor

Roseanne likened a Caucasian woman to another Caucasian woman who wore ape makeup in a movie. For this Roseanne is pulled from the airwaves.

Allison Mack recruited underage sex slaves and had them branded like cattle. The media does not want to report on this and they want you to keep watching Allison Mack's signature series, Smallville.

Double standard much?

1991, OP.

[quote]Just read "My Lives", the book she wrote with her and Tom on the cover. Almost everything in it is proven bullshit now, especially the stuff about her dad molesting her. Can you imagine a father having his famous daughter tell the world that -- and it was absolutely false? Doesn't get more nutty than that if you ask me.

Before she came out as a garbage person, I was a big fan. I loved her first autobiography, [italic]My Life as a Woman.[/italic]

It's funny how Roseanne and Tom Arnold have kinda switched places. At the time I think most people wondered why the hell she was with him - he just seemed like an annoying no-talent coked-up freak. Now he seems like the (relatively) sane one.

Yeah, she was always exhausting but somehow I was rooting for her all along. (Those books helped). This stuff makes me sad actually. And I wish people would still find a way to treat her kindly despite what she did. Mental illness is a bitch.

[quote] I'm not sure that she did MEAN to make a racist remark

She said Jarrett was the product of the Muslim Brotherhood mating with Planet of the Apes. Both things are very specifically referencing her race. Come on, you know this.

Valerie Jarrett is a white Iranian woman. You hear Apes and think black people because of your own racism.

This is a black woman?

R96

Her father, Bill Bowman and her mother are African Americans. She was born in Tehran when he father worked there as a doctor.

Is Fox saying she's Iranian? Or do you just not understand the difference?

[quote]Her parents are both African-American. On the television series Finding Your Roots, DNA testing indicated that Jarrett is of 49% European, 46% African, and 5% Native American descent. Among her European roots, she was found to have French and Scottish ancestry.[5] One of her maternal great-grandfathers, Robert Robinson Taylor, was the first accredited African-American architect, and the first African-American student enrolled at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.[6]

It's hilarious watching people twist themselves into pretzels to pretend this wasn't a racial slur. There really wasn't even anything jokey about it, it was just flat out hate, not all that different from calling her the n-word or a coon. She's so ensconced in a Twitter bubble of fellow crazies kissing her ass that she thought she could get away with it without repercussions.

[quote]It's hilarious watching people twist themselves into pretzels to pretend this wasn't a racial slur.

Kind of like when you say things like "white trash" then pretend you aren't a racist.

One of the original show staffers referred to her as “a barnyard animal.” I thought that was fitting

R99, your reply is so strange I don't even know what you're trying to say.

One of my favorite scenes was when Roseanne had a party with her friends to celebrate Darlene's graduation. They were drinking a bit, and then they played Truth or Dare. Roseanne was dared to run to the garage and flash Dan. She thought it was a stupid dare (since they'd been married about 20 years), but she went ahead and did it anyway. So she was topless except for her bra for a few seconds. It was very brave. Even today, you're not supposed to show skin if you don't have a perfect body. And she was unapologetic about being imperfect. Physically and mentally.

One of the things that annoys me is that she appears to go into a trance when she's trying to be funny. I saw the shift most recently when she and Goodman presented at the Emmy Awards a few months back. Suddenly, her voice gets more twangy and nasaly. It's like a little kid trying to find a voice that will draw more attention.

R100, R99, & R96, what I was saying is that unless Roseanne or anyone else went to the trouble of actually researching Valerie Jarrett's ancestry, it is completely plausible to think that she isn't black, going by her appearance. Honestly, I'm a political junkie, who has followed politics for years, and has a degree in Political Science, and I did not know she was black, until this twitter controversy. I knew she was born in Iran to American parents, so she was American and not Iranian. I am "white" and I have many "olive" skinned relatives that are more likely to be assumed to be black, based on photographs than she is.

I met Tom Arnold at an awards show for depictions of addiction and recovery around 15 years ago. He had some issues. He showed up late and was so embarrassed that he wouldn’t go into the ballroom, and he was incredibly jittery and sweating a lot. But he seemed really friendly and genuine, and I’d guess he just had severe anxiety and it wasn’t drugs or anything.

Right, r105, she had no idea Jarrett was black, and it was just coincidence that Roseanne referred to black Muslims and apes when talking about her.

1985

R107 she referred to the Planet of the Apes movie and had a picture of white actress, JmHelena Bonham Carter in ape makeup while referencing Valerie Jarrett

R103

"Valerie Jarrett is a white Iranian woman. You hear Apes and think black people because of your own racism."

R105, So why did you write?

"...I knew she was born in Iran to American parents, so she was American and not Iranian..."

When her marriage with tom arnold was ALL over the press. and when she insisted on taking his name after marrying

R107 The Muslim Brotherhood ARE NOT black Muslims you might be thinking of the Nation of Islam. The Muslim Brotherhood are a Muslim terrorist organization, founded in Egypt and active across the Arabic world, that many on the right tie to most Democrats, including very, very white Hillary, as a bogeyman much like the left ties the KKK to most Republicans. And, I compare people to monkeys all the time based on the shape of their head or their looks but would never say it about someone who I knew was black. For instance, I always thought it was hilarious that Mark Wahlberg, one of the most apelike actors in Hollywood, was cast as a human in the Planet of the Apes.

R111 Because, that is a common misconception about her that I previously knew about, and that I had looked into, yet even after looking into that misconception, I still did not know that she was black, only that she was American and not Iranian.

I'm sorry, but there is no way that Hillary or any other white member of the Obama administration would have had that very specific insult lobbed at them. I don't buy it for a second.

And none of the screenshots I've seen of the (now deleted) tweet included a photo. Though I'm sure that after the fact she'd like people to think she was talking about Helena Bonham Carter.

R114 John Brennan the retired and VERY white former head of the CIA, was accused by the right of being a secret Muslim.

But the whole Muslim thing is from a widely shared FAKE NEWS story about Valerie Jarrett that has been passed around and accepted as fact by crazy conspiracy theory followers, i.e. Roseanne, even though it has been discredited many times. Which seems based more on her place of birth than, her race.

[quote]‘I’m bipolar and have ADHD and multiple personality disorder,’ Roseanne Barr once said. ‘But they’re now all in remission due to the powerful drugs I smoke.’ In the same interview, Barr described herself as ‘on the autism spectrum’, and said, ‘I talk directly to God within my own mind and need no intercessor.’

This reminds me of that Queer Enby person about whom there has been two recent threads: Multiple maladies, psychiatric diagnoses, and medical conditions. So tiresome, because in these particular cases, it seems so inauthentic. People like Roseanne and Enby seem to be wed to these labels in order to give themselves an identity and present themselves as being special.

[quote]She said Jarrett was the product of the Muslim Brotherhood mating with Planet of the Apes. Both things are very specifically referencing her race. Come on, you know this.

This.

[quote]It's hilarious watching people twist themselves into pretzels to pretend this wasn't a racial slur. There really wasn't even anything jokey about it, it was just flat out hate

And this.

So many apologists doing whatever they can to excuse her. I wonder if she would receive as much support and goodwill if she had made a homophobic reference, comparison, or comment.

[quote]I don't know if Tom Arnold was off his meds, or on his improvised meds, but he had some pretty interesting things to say about Roseanne the other day.

I could not even finish that interview. Drugs or no drugs, Arnold is too damn spastic.