Is Madonna today’s Joan Crawford?

Madonna doesn't have an Oscar...

Joan was one of the screen's original great beauties. I will be discreet and not hammer out the many ways that fact disqualifies Madonna from being compared to Joan Crawford.

Well OP they are both narcissists and therefore similar. However I wouldn't be surprised if Madonna is even more unpleasant than Joan was. No, I wouldn't be surprised at all

I’ll allow it.

A remake of "Baby Jane" with Madonna and Lady Gaga.

Joan was never as successful and rich as Madonna. So there is that.

They are prime examples of THE TRIUMPH OF THE WILL. This is beyond a question of mere talent or looks.

Obsession with youth and trying to stay relevant describes most of show business.

Joan Crawford never walked around looking crazy either. Yeah I know she had a hard steely look to her in the 1950s. Joan always looked natural compared to Madonna.

So there's that.

Lourdes is NOT one of her FAAAAAAAANNNNNSSSSSS.

[quote]Is Madonna today’s Joan Crawford?

No, because she's not a child abuser.

No, of course Joan didn't walk around looking crazy, R9.

She rode backwards on an airport cart looking crazy.

OP: No.

I will never understand the need for a few on here to find ways to trash and insult Miss Crawford's memory. Miss Crawford was a complicated woman who had demons, like we all have demons. She was also a beautiful woman who fought for and got a career where her looks were not only her value, but her judge, jury and executioner. Those of you who try to put the complexities of one woman in a box and use that to compare her to some two bit vulgarity should hang your heads in shame.

After that Pepsi debacle with Like A Prayer, I assume she drinks Coke. So, no.

OP You dare to put those names in the same sentence? Turn in your gay card.

No r5 a remake with Madonna and Sharon Stone.

crawford was obsessed with fame not youth. crawford worked hard to achieve and maintain movie stardom. madonna is similarly obsessed with fame/power but i dont see a relevant comparison between the two women.

They are/were both former dancers, who, with steely determination and will, lifted themselves up from their humble beginnings and carved out successful careers and dominated their respective fields at one time, despite their many detractors questioning their talents.

Both have/had an air of pretentiousness, with Crawford casting herself as the grande doyenne of showbiz morality, dispensing advice and criticizing those who behaved disgracefully. And who can forget Madonna's Lady of the Manor phase, speaking in clipped Queen's English and feeding chickens on her country estate, while wearing heels and great lady wardrobe.

And with their glory days in the past, both refuse(d) to go quietly in the night.

Madonna is not obsessed with youth..she is a POP/ROCKS star. her music is for young people, how does she suppose to behave like your grandma going to church, silly people

I was in Bay City, Michigan the weekend of Madonna's grandma funeral. She was cruising around town in a 135,000 BMW with driver. She sat in the back looking like Marlena Dietrich in 20s style nakeup and a velvet suit with high collar. She was a tad out of place in her evening drive around this town with nothing even relating to her..Somethong eas more evil with Joan than even child abuse.

Joan had some talent, so no.

Madonna is in MJ territory, living in a bubble. Her face is also falling apart like his.

[quote] her music is for young people,

lmao.

[quote]I will never understand the need for a few on here to find ways to trash and insult Miss Crawford's memory. Miss Crawford was a complicated woman who had demons, like we all have demons. She was also a beautiful woman who fought for and got a career where her looks were not only her value, but her judge, jury and executioner. Those of you who try to put the complexities of one woman in a box and use that to compare her to some two bit vulgarity should hang your heads in shame.

AKA, I only know about Joan Crawford from Ryan Murphy's bs third wave mini-series.

Madonna got involved with a cult. Don't recall Joan ever doing that.

Miss Madonna is actually more beautiful than Miss Crawford. There I said it.

I don't see many similarities. Joan was pretty consistent in her public persona for decades. She acted like a regal, elegant, classy, star. Madonna has only been interested in that very very rarely and most times specifically NOT interested an elegant public image.

I don't know, but never got the impression Madonna is especially weird with her children.

Madonna seems far too earthy and sensual to offer many comparisons to Joan Crawford, artistically.

This is, finally, a brain shart by the op.

Madonna is a narcissistic sociopath. Her children are going to write books when she croaks.

Superficially, at least according to their respective myths, there are similarities. Over coming adversity in their childhood (Joan, poverty and no father; Madonna, the death of her mother and an abusive father). Clawing their way to the top of their respective industries, using their sexuality as their primary currency (for Joan this was all on the hush, for Madonna it was out in the open) despite never considered the most talented. Madonna's image transformations have become legend to a perhaps excessive extent, but Joan also had a few transformations before settling into her frigid gorgon elder stateswoman of Hollywood schtick in the mid-1950s. Ultimately, the thing that seems to link them to the most is their insistance on continualy imposing themselves on the public whether the public likes it or not, and this is not just something they did in the latter part of their careers, but throughout, a continual refusal to be dismissed as passe.

I've always thought of Angie Voight-face as today's Joan Crawford.

R28 yes, I've long believed Madonna is a genuine textbook sociopath. I think Crawford was severely mentally ill, but not a sociopath.

[quote]Is Madonna today’s Joan Crawford?

Don't be silly. Madonna was never an accomplished actress.

I would give anything to see that Joan Crawford "Red Weirdo" short remade with Madonna shopping for paella ingredients at a supermarket.

r29, don't forget the diehards stans who refused to admit their idol is passé.

Both were/are also rigid control freaks obsessed with loyalty among their staff, and both were/are exceedingly jealous of rivals, particularly younger ones (Joan with Marilyn Monroe, Madonna with Lady Gaga).

Yes if Joan was around today she would be EXACTLY the same as madonna

Madonna’s father wasn’t abusive, she was favored by him among the children. I agree, Joan had issues, likely mental illness...madonna is a toxic narcissist. Range of emotions are pure fabrications. Steely self interest.

Joan seemed victim to her insecurities

Madonna is to Joan Crawford what Anna Nicole Smith was to Marilyn Monroe.

Hey Anna Nicole Smith wasn’t a crazy bitch... she was crazy but not a bitch!

No. Joan Crawford could act.

Joan Crawford is a movie star, Madonna is a cheap Italian whore end. Of.

Joan was an actress who has an Oscar and was one of the biggest stars of the 30's. To say she wasn't successful means that you are an idiot, R6. She became as successful in her career as she could possibly get.

Madge does Joan

^^ Oops.

Well, they were both whores. Otherwise no.

R29, Very astute post.