Jessica Lange, Alec Baldwin, Diane Lane and John Goodman.
Fantastic adaptation. Lange is riveting.
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Jessica Lange, Alec Baldwin, Diane Lane and John Goodman.
Fantastic adaptation. Lange is riveting.
by Anonymous | reply 160 | October 19, 2019 2:40 PM |
No she isn't.
by Anonymous | reply 1 | May 23, 2018 2:49 AM |
No one can do Tennessee Williams like Lange. Transcendent.
by Anonymous | reply 2 | May 23, 2018 2:52 AM |
She's no Ann-Margret.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | May 23, 2018 2:55 AM |
Treat Williams' version was the best.
by Anonymous | reply 4 | May 23, 2018 3:03 AM |
Oh was it?
by Anonymous | reply 5 | May 23, 2018 3:05 AM |
Ann-Margret was magnificent. Lange is an also ran. ESPECIALLY in Tennessee Williams' plays.
by Anonymous | reply 6 | May 23, 2018 3:06 AM |
A little bit affected... trying to mimic Vivien, but some fine moments. Baldwin was the disappointment here...
by Anonymous | reply 7 | May 23, 2018 3:15 AM |
Lange wipes the floor with Ann Margaret, ESPECIALLY as Blanche DuBois.
Cat on a Hot Tin Roof (1984) with Lange and Tommy Lee Jones
by Anonymous | reply 8 | May 23, 2018 3:15 AM |
R7 I found Lange's portrayal more fragile and untethered. It's a brilliant interpretation.. Leigh's is an amazing performance, too, because she plays her with a hardened edge. She's weary where as Lange is broken.
Ann Margaret played her more like Leigh, though less successfully.
by Anonymous | reply 9 | May 23, 2018 3:20 AM |
Isn't "Streetcar" set in Louisiana? Why does Baldwin sound like Vinnie Barbarino?
by Anonymous | reply 11 | May 23, 2018 3:25 AM |
She's no Jessica Tandy.
by Anonymous | reply 12 | May 23, 2018 3:27 AM |
I wonder how Meryl or Glenn would have played Blanche.
Glenn is probably too Yankee, Meryl too tic reliant.
by Anonymous | reply 13 | May 23, 2018 3:33 AM |
Glenn played Blanche in London, I believe.
by Anonymous | reply 14 | May 23, 2018 3:39 AM |
I would have loved to have seen her r14!!!
by Anonymous | reply 15 | May 23, 2018 3:45 AM |
Veronica Lake played it in London with Ty Hardin as Stanley.
There are lots of fine "Streetcar" productions, but that's the one I would love to be able to say that I had seen.
by Anonymous | reply 16 | May 23, 2018 11:55 AM |
I would have liked to have seen Sandy Dennis as Blanche.
by Anonymous | reply 17 | May 23, 2018 12:21 PM |
Or Sandy Duncan.
by Anonymous | reply 18 | May 23, 2018 12:25 PM |
R17 Sandy Dennis is one of my favorite actresses. She would've been sublime.
by Anonymous | reply 19 | May 23, 2018 1:47 PM |
The Lange version is dreadful, never saw the Ann-Margaret one.
by Anonymous | reply 20 | May 23, 2018 1:49 PM |
Ridiculous "performance." Lange lacks the intelligence and tragic gift to do Blanche. All she can do is squeak and act pathetic.
I couldn't make it through the whole performance in one sitting. Williams would have barfed that prescription cap up if it had been playing on the TV.
by Anonymous | reply 21 | May 23, 2018 1:51 PM |
Lange and Leigh are the best Blanches.
by Anonymous | reply 22 | May 23, 2018 3:58 PM |
You know who was outstanding in that Streetcar production w/ Lange and Baldwin- Amy Madigan. Her Stella was just shattering. And I got to see it a few times, once early on and then towards the end of the run. She kept up that quiet intensity and focus throughout. That she didn't get a Tony nomination was the real crime.
by Anonymous | reply 23 | May 23, 2018 4:19 PM |
Glenn was way too old (and mannered) as Blanche in London. Essie Davis as Stella stole the entire production.
by Anonymous | reply 24 | May 23, 2018 7:44 PM |
Blanche was a hooker
by Anonymous | reply 25 | May 23, 2018 7:48 PM |
I HATED Vivien Leigh's portrayal as Blanche. She was so stiff and mannered, particularly when compared with Brando's seething performance.
They should have used Jessica Tandy instead.
by Anonymous | reply 26 | May 23, 2018 8:12 PM |
I saw Lange and Baldwin on stage and she was beyond dreadful. She entered the first scene utterly worn out and never recovered any energy. A hopeless performance, like she was sleep-walking through all of it.
Baldwin was extremely sexy but he had no one to play against. In the stage version, Amy Madigan was about as sensuous as a scarecrow.
by Anonymous | reply 27 | May 23, 2018 8:17 PM |
Lange is fantastic in this.
by Anonymous | reply 28 | May 23, 2018 8:29 PM |
Does Jessica Lange blow all you people for these compliments? It sure ain't her acting that would get anyone excited.
by Anonymous | reply 29 | May 24, 2018 3:43 AM |
She's terrible in it.
by Anonymous | reply 30 | May 24, 2018 3:45 AM |
R25 Hush, Matthew.
by Anonymous | reply 31 | May 24, 2018 3:45 AM |
[quote] I HATED Vivien Leigh's portrayal as Blanche. She was so stiff and mannered, particularly when compared with Brando's seething performance.They should have used Jessica Tandy instead.
Yes, because when I think of sensual, earthy and freeform, my mind instantly springs to Jessica Tandy, that slattern.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | May 24, 2018 3:49 AM |
The "Hotel Flamingo" scene in this version is everything. Lange plummets along with Blanche off the deep end brilliantly here. Blanchett's work in "Blue Jasmine" is reminiscent.
by Anonymous | reply 33 | May 24, 2018 3:50 AM |
The worst Blanche I am sorry to say was Natasha Richardson in the 2005 revival at Studio 54. And John C. Reilly was awful as Stanley.
Maybe they were going for something different, but Blanche was so toned she looked like she just came in from the gym and not from Belle Rive.
And if Reilly had suddenly started singing Mr. Cellophane I would not have been at all surprised.
by Anonymous | reply 34 | May 24, 2018 4:00 AM |
R32, I'm sure it slipped your mind that Jessica Tandy created the role of Blanche Dubois in the original Broadway production opposite Marlon Brando, and won a Tony Award for her efforts...
by Anonymous | reply 35 | May 24, 2018 4:03 AM |
no it didn't at all. I've always thought it bizarre casting and it's no surprise the only actor not asked to reprise their role in the film was Tandy. She had about as much appeal as the goose who chases after Foghorn Leghorn.
by Anonymous | reply 36 | May 24, 2018 5:29 AM |
[quote]You know who was outstanding in that Streetcar production w/ Lange and Baldwin- Amy Madigan. Her Stella was just shattering. And I got to see it a few times, once early on and then towards the end of the run. She kept up that quiet intensity and focus throughout. That she didn't get a Tony nomination was the real crime.
Speaking of Amy Madigan, I think her husband Ed Harris would've been a great Stanley.
by Anonymous | reply 37 | May 24, 2018 5:43 AM |
I don't suppose you actually saw the goose perform the role 71 years ago?
by Anonymous | reply 38 | May 24, 2018 5:47 AM |
What if I did? What if I was the understudy for the paperboy all those many years ago? Wouldn't you feel like an ass.
by Anonymous | reply 39 | May 24, 2018 5:54 AM |
Lange and Madigan are close friends. She insisted she be cast as Stella. Lange was also pals with Harris, whom she did Sweet Dreams with in '85.
Lange mentioned in a few interviews how Madigan saved her on a few occasions when she blanked from being emotionally exhausted. She also admitted not being ready for the stage in '92. She also admitted tackling the role more like she would've a film role, which she admitted was a mistake. She received mixed reviews in NY and raves on the west end 5 years later in 97.
Funny enough, her 92 performance of Blanche has many fans. It's Ryan Murphy's favorite performance ever. Also, many critics admitted that Lange's major problem was projection, not authenticity of emotion.
Her work in the television version is ethereal and shattering.
Now, I want Ryan Murphy's to produce an HBO version of "Long Day's Journey into Night" with Anthony Hopkins and Michael Shannon.
by Anonymous | reply 40 | May 24, 2018 5:54 AM |
Close got mixed reviews as Blanche.
"There’s nothing remotely soft about Close’s robust, theatrically florid, scarcely vulnerable approach toward a woman riding her own streetcar toward despair." - Variety
"We know that Close is a dab hand at projecting implacable resolve. But is vulnerability within her compass? On the evidence of her performance here, the answer, I'm afraid, is a pretty emphatic no. With that determined cut of jib, she comes across as a tough cookie who is engaged in an arch impersonation of Blanche. The ladylike airs on her arrival at her sister's New Orleans apartment are too confidently imperious." - The Independent
by Anonymous | reply 41 | May 24, 2018 5:57 AM |
R41 Ouch
by Anonymous | reply 42 | May 24, 2018 5:58 AM |
I think Tandy was not cast because the film production needed a Hollywood name for Blanche. Brando had only done The Men and was not yet a star so they needed a woman who could ensure some box office for what was not a commercial property. True the stage version had been a hit but stage and film are very different mediums and, let's face it, the play is hard-going. Thank God Olivia de Havilland as the first one offered Blanche turned it down. It was way beyond her meagre talents, even with Kazan directing.
by Anonymous | reply 43 | May 24, 2018 6:36 AM |
Also, Vivien Leigh was a huge sensation in the London production of Streetcar (directed by Laurence Olivier) so her version of the character was already admired and a guaranteed success.
And the idea of the actress who created Southern Belle Scarlett O'Hara playing the dissolute version in Streetcar was too hard to resist.
Sorry, Jessica! You didn't stand a chance.
by Anonymous | reply 44 | May 24, 2018 12:04 PM |
What's interesting about the casting of Jessica Tandy and possible casting of Olivia de Havilland is that it shows when Blanche was originally conceived for the stage, a proper lady-like actress was thought to be what was needed.
Certainly not a Jessica Lange or Ann-Margret type, if you know what I mean.
by Anonymous | reply 45 | May 24, 2018 12:07 PM |
If anyone is going to insult Olivia de Havilland, it's going to be me.
by Anonymous | reply 46 | May 24, 2018 12:10 PM |
For god's sake. It's Ann-Margret, not Ann Margaret, you morons.
by Anonymous | reply 47 | May 24, 2018 12:20 PM |
Even Brando thought that Jessica Tandy was miscast. And perhaps she was. Brando stole the play away from her.
Whether or not you like Vivien Leigh's performance, it is undeniable that she is not the tough cookie that Jessica Tandy readily projects. There was a strong dramatic reason to cast her. Her innate fragility restored a balance between Blanche's broken state and Stanley's brutishness than had been lost with Tandy as Blanche.
But, hell yes, Ann-Margret was the best.
by Anonymous | reply 48 | May 24, 2018 12:29 PM |
For me Ann-Margret swallowed the language and this is a play where you need an actress who can enunciate it's beauty. Also no one would believe that she was no longer sexy. Lange has some brilliant moments but is too physically sturdy, so my preferred casting is still Leigh.
by Anonymous | reply 49 | May 24, 2018 1:47 PM |
I watched the Lange version at school, which everyone hated because Vivian Leigh was prettier.
by Anonymous | reply 50 | May 24, 2018 2:09 PM |
This version is also the only unedited filmed version, which is nice.
by Anonymous | reply 51 | May 24, 2018 3:20 PM |
Oh God. She's awful.
by Anonymous | reply 52 | May 24, 2018 3:23 PM |
That Jess version's worth looking at. Not the whole thing, of course, no; but enough to remind to you of how good Leigh was.
by Anonymous | reply 53 | May 24, 2018 3:27 PM |
Apparently Tennessee wrote it for Lillian Gish, who couldn't play it because her mother was ill. Tallulah did a revival on Broadway and was booed off the stage. My ideal pairing, like so many others, was Vanessa Redgrave and Sylvester Stallone. There was talk of it.
by Anonymous | reply 54 | May 24, 2018 3:35 PM |
[quote] It's Ryan Murphy's favorite performance ever.
Well, considering Ryan Murphy has the taste of the bottom of one's show, that tells you all you need to know.
by Anonymous | reply 55 | May 24, 2018 3:35 PM |
[quote]Vanessa Redgrave and Sylvester Stallone.
Ooh. That sounds fascinating.
by Anonymous | reply 56 | May 24, 2018 3:38 PM |
That sounds like a joke.
by Anonymous | reply 57 | May 24, 2018 4:35 PM |
You all must have missed my turn as Blanche at the Burt Reynolds Jupiter Theater. Jim Nabors as Stanley, Charles Nelson Reilly as Mitch, Marilu Henner as Stella? People are still talking about it.
by Anonymous | reply 58 | May 24, 2018 4:43 PM |
Ann Margret was my favorite. I was genuinely surprised by what she brought to the table. It was a great mix of strength and fragility. It's been awhile since I've seen the Lange version, but I remember her seemingly batshit crazy and defeated from her first entrance. There was nowhere to build to. It was like Imelda Staunton's Rose in GYPSY (at least the taped BBC version) - she's ready to play the finale on her first entrance. It's just bizarre to watch.
by Anonymous | reply 59 | May 24, 2018 6:27 PM |
That's how Lange has played everything since Frances Farmer though: troubled but horny woman on the edge who really wants critics to know the struggle even if she has grind her teeth to do it.
by Anonymous | reply 60 | May 24, 2018 6:32 PM |
You can pull that "I've never seen it!" shtick with some things but 1951's STREETCAR is too big. Which makes you wonder why she'd bother. It would be hard not to be influenced by it, since is so definitive, but it wouldn't really have have much bearing on reviews.
by Anonymous | reply 61 | May 24, 2018 6:40 PM |
One of the things I like about Leigh's performance is that it doesn't have the... heaviness... of Lange's. It's lighter and frothier (that's just how I can best describe it) at first, making the story's conclusion so much more devastating. I agree with the above poster(s). Lange enters at full dramatic force (as if Blanche is playing herself in a play rather than believing she's actually fooling her sister) and it leaves her nowhere to go.
It's a recurring problem with Lange. All her performances seemed to be tailored for maximum "for-your-consideration"-ness.
by Anonymous | reply 62 | May 24, 2018 6:45 PM |
Yes. Leigh works because her Blanche seems, at first, just a bit kooky and maybe a bit vain. It builds throughout. I thought Ann Margret was much the same way. Blanche just works better when she's still living on some plane of reality for at least the first act.
by Anonymous | reply 63 | May 24, 2018 6:48 PM |
Did anyone see Patricia Clarkson in the role? I've often wondered how she was. She definitely has that great husky voice that seems perfect for Williams dialogue.
by Anonymous | reply 64 | May 24, 2018 6:49 PM |
That's also the problem with her Maggie: It's too obviously sexual, robbing the film of its 'mystery'. I don't think Taylor is perfect but she's more subtle than Lange which is better.
by Anonymous | reply 65 | May 24, 2018 7:01 PM |
God, the Lange hater's shit stains are all over this thread.
Lange's Blanche is defeated at the onset but resilient against accepting it throughout. That's what makes her interpretation so mad and brilliant: she doesn't play Blanche as if she's trying to fool anyone about her state as much as she is squirming to fool herself.
She's descended so far already - why else would a woman of her tastes and opinions resort to moving into a one bedroom slum with her sister and husband? - that she really has no facades left other than the ones she creates for herself. Everyone's already in on her gig. No one is fooled by Blanche or her faux heirs and stoicism. Lange shows why and brilliantly so.
Side Note: I ADORE Leigh's version and think Ann Margaret paid great tribute to that iconic performance - they both played her using variations of the same notes - but of course Leigh is better.
by Anonymous | reply 66 | May 24, 2018 7:29 PM |
I saw Clarkson in DC and thought she was excellent.
by Anonymous | reply 67 | May 24, 2018 7:37 PM |
Another favorite: Cate Blanchett as Blanche. Phenomenal.
by Anonymous | reply 68 | May 24, 2018 7:42 PM |
[quote]Lange's Blanche is defeated at the onset but resilient against accepting it throughout. That's what makes her interpretation so mad and brilliant: she doesn't play Blanche as if she's trying to fool anyone about her state as much as she is squirming to fool herself.
No, she doesn't do that at all. You sound unfamiliar with the material, or at least hold same tenuous (subjective) grasp of it that Lange's performance would suggest she did.
[quote]She's descended so far already - why else would a woman of her tastes and opinions resort to moving into a one bedroom slum with her sister and husband? - that she really has no facades left other than the ones she creates for herself. Everyone's already in on her gig. No one is fooled by Blanche or her faux heirs and stoicism. Lange shows why and brilliantly so.
Blanche isn't stoic though. She's deluded. She mightn't be fooling anyone but she *thinks* she is. Jess doesn't show that which is part of the reason why her characterization fails.
by Anonymous | reply 69 | May 24, 2018 7:54 PM |
I appreciate the air of Old World Southern charm Leigh imbues the character with now. It's harder to imagine Jess' Blanche being all that scandalized by her past -- again she's too 'raw' and 'visceral'.
by Anonymous | reply 70 | May 24, 2018 7:56 PM |
She did narrate a Vivien Leigh documentary in 1990. Could she really not have seen it? This seems to imply it, unless it's out context.
by Anonymous | reply 71 | May 24, 2018 8:09 PM |
[quote]Earlier this year, as the Broadway revival of "A Streetcar Named Desire" was nearing the end of its run, Jessica Lange told a theater magazine writer she was going to quit acting when the show closed.
Even back in 1992 she was still pulling that "I'm retiring now" stuff.
by Anonymous | reply 72 | May 24, 2018 8:17 PM |
R69 Fails in your opinion. We can argue until the cows come home about character motivation and what truly drove Blanche DuBois, but the bottom line is: more than one answer,/interpretation are true.
Leigh plays her like a woman who believes she's fooling everyone whereas Lange plays her as someone who isn't sure she's fooling herself. Both are brilliant interpretations executed with grace, precision and truth.
As for assuming I'm not familiar with the text, what a sophomoric tactic, lol.
Move on, Matthew.
by Anonymous | reply 73 | May 24, 2018 8:33 PM |
R73 is the Lange Loon. F&F and ignore.
by Anonymous | reply 74 | May 24, 2018 8:42 PM |
R74 Must you be stricken and muzzled again, Matthew?
by Anonymous | reply 75 | May 24, 2018 8:44 PM |
Lange was dreadful when she played Blanche on broadway opposite Baldwin and the equally dreadful Amy Madigan (who played Stella as a redneck). She's much better on film. I saw Sandy Dennis play both Blanche and Maggie the Cat in stock. She was, as you would imagine, quirky, heartbreaking and sublime.
by Anonymous | reply 76 | May 24, 2018 8:46 PM |
R76 omfg. You lucky bastard. Which was Dennis better in?
I know she was perfect in both.
by Anonymous | reply 77 | May 24, 2018 8:50 PM |
Sandy Dennis was a bag of tics and neuroses her entire career. Sandra Bernhard wasn't wrong when she said, "Let's go see Sandy Dennis give the same performance for the next 20 years." I remember being a kid and seeing her for the first time watching The Four Seasons and thinking- what is wrong with her?
by Anonymous | reply 78 | May 24, 2018 8:57 PM |
The very thought of Sandy Dennis in a white slip and little else is.......deflating.
by Anonymous | reply 79 | May 24, 2018 9:32 PM |
Leigh's performance in Streetcar is one of the greatest in cinema history.
But for me she beats all the other filmed Blanches because her film was shot in the period in which it takes place and therefore, the period detail is perfect.
by Anonymous | reply 80 | May 24, 2018 9:34 PM |
If Lange hasn't seen these various classic films, it just proves that she is as dull and incurious as she appears.
by Anonymous | reply 81 | May 24, 2018 9:36 PM |
I just love watching her little cray cray eyes go round & round.
by Anonymous | reply 82 | May 24, 2018 9:41 PM |
Lange has listed Leigh in Streetcar and Gone With the Wind along with Elizabeth Taylor in Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? as three of her favorite performances. She did it for AFIs 100 Stars special.
Where does she say she hasn't seen those films/performances?
by Anonymous | reply 83 | May 24, 2018 11:54 PM |
R77 Loved Sandy in both but her Blanche was heartbreaking. I loved Sandy tics and all. I saw her on stage numerous times and you just could not take your eyes off her, much like Geraldine Page. David Selby played opposite Sandy in Cat and he was just fucking sex on a stick. God, I miss summer stock.
by Anonymous | reply 84 | May 25, 2018 12:11 AM |
R84 Yes about Sandy and I LOVE Geraldine!
by Anonymous | reply 85 | May 25, 2018 12:15 AM |
Ann-Margret can play nothing but a drugged whore. Can't stand the whispering old lady with her spatulate mouth and lateral lisp. She's terrible in everything but Carnal Knowledge and Viva Las Vegas. Druggy whores. She's not bad as a drunk drugged whore in that Second Mrs. Greenwich thing.
by Anonymous | reply 87 | May 25, 2018 7:41 AM |
When Glenn Close did the play in London did she play Blanche or Stanley?
by Anonymous | reply 88 | May 25, 2018 7:51 AM |
"Sylvester Stallone"
Yo, Stella!
by Anonymous | reply 89 | May 25, 2018 7:54 AM |
R78, the talent-free Sandra Bernhard is ALWAYS wrong.
by Anonymous | reply 90 | May 25, 2018 8:02 AM |
Sandy Dennis did a lot of interesting summer stock performances in the 80s. She did Agnes of God and 'night Mother. I'd love to have seen those.
by Anonymous | reply 91 | May 25, 2018 8:06 AM |
the mom in 'night Mother was Eileen Heckart and Peggy Cass was her co-star in Agnes of God. Interesting.
by Anonymous | reply 92 | May 25, 2018 8:08 AM |
I'd love to see those too R91. But Sandy Dennis is no Blanche Dubois. Blanche can't stutter all her lines and have hips bigger than Belle Reve. How does Sandy Dennis portray a psychotic break? Does she begin to act sane?
by Anonymous | reply 93 | May 25, 2018 8:12 AM |
I'm imagining Sarandon and Judy Davis as Blanche in this production now. Could they have done it? Well, they'd have been better than Lange, naturally, but interesting enough to bother?
But the 1951 version was perfect. What did this remake add? The original text you could say, but although the 1951 version is less overt it still (skillfully) tells us all we need to know. In fact, the slight trimming actually helps and is usually necessary for a move to film. Despite the acumen of the intervening forty four years, its the original that feels less leaden, less stagebound. And its stifling, almost noirish take on Southern Gothic in B&W (which fits perfectly) could never have been recreated.
So what's the point?
Leigh's performance is definitive. She did so much more with it than Lange could've even imagined. Jess had nothing to add.
by Anonymous | reply 94 | May 25, 2018 10:11 AM |
Yes but when a movie star does stage they often do a film version to capture what they might have been like on stage. I recall the criticism of Lange acting on stage "to the camera" showing her lack of stage projection. Naturally in the TV version she can whisper and the mike will pick it up.
by Anonymous | reply 95 | May 25, 2018 10:18 AM |
IF one believes that male slut who claims to have bedded Leigh while she was filming SND, one can hear an additional level in her line about finding love "in the unlikeliest places." While she registers self-disgust.
by Anonymous | reply 96 | May 25, 2018 10:23 AM |
Assuming we say BLUE JASMINE is in fact a remake (or just an adaptation) or STREETCAR we can judge Blanchett's performance on that plane.
I loved it. She was superb.
What was important was that she had something to offer. She didn't just recreate Leigh's performance or show us nothing we haven't seen her do before. She created a character that felt like a real person. She was funny and sad and also amusing to watch. It stands on its own merit. Lange's performance just seems like a retread. Frances Farmer moves South. She does what Leigh does but not as well. There's obviously room for every actor's interpretation of a role... but that doesn't mean all are worthwhile.
I suppose that's Lange's gimmick. But we've seen it before.
by Anonymous | reply 97 | May 25, 2018 10:31 AM |
From the other thread. I don't think narcissistic actors playing narcissistic characters works though, maybe it has on occasion, but self-awareness is at the foundation of good acting.
"She is narcissistic. Most actors are, of course; but it's one thing to prefer your own performance of a role to another actor's and another to have offhandedly say you've never seen basic Hollywood canon.
That's what make her (for all her Great Lady posturing) less interesting than most of her contemporaries. She comes across that way in interviews: answers have to be coaxed out of her and she only really gives when she receives gushing praise.
Streep, Close, Sarandon seem to, at least, better understand the interview format. Streep and Close come off as self-deprecating and try to have Something to say beyond whatever they're promoting. And Sarandon seems quite opinionated. I love her 2016 interview with Evan Davis, if not, necessarily, agreeing with her views. It illustrates perfectly why she worked as Bette: she could imagine her bluntly just chopping down an interviewer in front of her. Like when she tells Dick Cavett she's not womyn's lib or assures Barbara Walters of cigarette's healthfulness.
Lange's air of affected aloofness (which seems to have worsened with age and spread off-camera) doesn't have the effect she trying for.
Though the same is of most of her performances."
by Anonymous | reply 98 | May 25, 2018 10:39 AM |
Sarandon's always had a sort of quirky Southern thing going on. Judy Davis... mmh... would she have the imperious self confidence those reviews suggest Close did?
by Anonymous | reply 99 | May 25, 2018 10:42 AM |
This is Sarandon's best interview response ever:
by Anonymous | reply 100 | May 25, 2018 10:52 AM |
Lange has said she has never been in therapy. That surprises me with her background. Glenn Close has been open about depression and being on medication.
by Anonymous | reply 101 | May 25, 2018 10:57 AM |
Close has also said she would've played Alex Forrest in a way completely different way today because of her experiences with mental illness.
by Anonymous | reply 102 | May 25, 2018 11:23 AM |
I just want to know what "spatulate mouth" means.
by Anonymous | reply 103 | May 25, 2018 11:40 AM |
I vaguely remembered (incorrectly) thinking that Bonnie Franklin of all people played Blanche Dubois! I thought I read that on DL, but I think it was actually Martha from WAOVW.
by Anonymous | reply 104 | May 25, 2018 11:45 AM |
Dammit, Stella
Dammit, Stanley
Dammit, Mitch
by Anonymous | reply 105 | May 25, 2018 12:05 PM |
Meryl Streep performed the famous monologue of Blanche's about her young husband when she auditioned for Yale School of Drama. And she got in.
by Anonymous | reply 106 | May 25, 2018 12:33 PM |
I'd have loved to have seen Streep do Blanche.
by Anonymous | reply 107 | May 25, 2018 12:39 PM |
Close also played Stella in a '70s production with Christopher Walken as Stanley.
by Anonymous | reply 108 | May 25, 2018 1:00 PM |
I've always depended on the kindness of Ryan Murphy.
by Anonymous | reply 109 | May 25, 2018 1:03 PM |
Ann-Margret was good. Jessica Lange was not good. Lindsay Lohan's Blanche on the Topaz in the Arabian Sea was slurry yet gut-wrenching.
by Anonymous | reply 110 | May 25, 2018 1:06 PM |
There isn't an anti-Lange troll, that would mean one person. There is however a single obsessive Lange fan. They've started, among other threads, the Streetcar 1995 one.
I mean, there was wide criticism of her Blanche and Crawford.
by Anonymous | reply 111 | May 25, 2018 1:09 PM |
She tends to ham. She gives showy performances. Beneath all her histrionics she isn't an intelligent actress.
That's not entirely why her Crawford failed... but she shouldn't have been cast, and had that production been done by anyone other than Ryan Murphy she wouldn't have even been considered.
by Anonymous | reply 112 | May 25, 2018 1:13 PM |
I recall being impressed with Baldwin's take on Stanley. Treat Williams just did a Brando knock-off but Baldwin attempts an intelligent rendering of the man rather than play him as just a brute.
by Anonymous | reply 113 | May 25, 2018 1:22 PM |
Blocking exists. If all criticism of Lange comes from one person then it should disappear when blocked (but it doesn't).
by Anonymous | reply 114 | May 25, 2018 1:25 PM |
Love the clip of Lange winning the Globe for Streetcar in 95 .
A mesmerizing performance second only to Vivien Leigh.
by Anonymous | reply 115 | May 25, 2018 3:09 PM |
So interesting is the international reception Streetcar received. Arletty was imprisoned in France for collaboration; she lived with a German officer in the Ritz, along with Chanel. She made the classic remark, "Mon coeur est francais, mais mon cul est interrnational." My heart is French, but my ass is international. They let her out to play Blanche in Cocteau's production of "Un tramway nomme desir." The critics liked her but was less than gushing over the production. Brando came to see it , but she wouldn't receive him because he was wearing jeans. It was right after WWII, and they had trouble heating the theater, which may have hurt the production. And who got his big break playing Mitch in the Rome production? Marcello Mastrianni!
by Anonymous | reply 116 | May 25, 2018 3:23 PM |
You can always spot the Lange hater by how passionate and personal it gets when criticizing Lange. It's never just about her performances. ,but about her personal life as well. I get a real kick whenever he starts criticizing her intelligence and calling her a talentless whore. That's when you know you have him spinning in circles on the floor like Curly from the Three Stooges, lol.
It also IP hops like a bunny on crack, so blocking it won't solve anything.
His other fetishes are causing trouble in the theater threads, hating on Julie Andrews and Mary Poppins with a strange and disturbing determination. He hates "the goyim" and loves all things Faye Dungaway.
R111, R112, R114 Hi, Matthew
by Anonymous | reply 117 | May 25, 2018 3:30 PM |
Would Streep be able to get away with Blanche today or is she too old?
by Anonymous | reply 118 | May 25, 2018 3:32 PM |
Sorry, there's one Lange loon, and several people who just have eyes, ears and taste.
by Anonymous | reply 119 | May 25, 2018 3:41 PM |
R118 Streep looks great - 10 years younger than her age, (that skin!) - so she could pull it off and I'd be front and center to watch.
by Anonymous | reply 120 | May 25, 2018 3:42 PM |
R119 The Lange Loon is also responsible for Lange s 2 Oscars, 3 Emmys, Tony, SAG. 5 Golden Globes, Critics Choice, Outer Critics Choice., Drama Desk and all of her other awards.
Try again, Matthew, lol.
by Anonymous | reply 121 | May 25, 2018 3:47 PM |
The Lange Loon is also Jabba
by Anonymous | reply 122 | May 25, 2018 3:50 PM |
I have them on block.
Mental illness. Such fun.
by Anonymous | reply 123 | May 25, 2018 3:50 PM |
There was an infamous production of Streetcar with Miss Faye Dunaway and Jon Voigt back in the 70's. I can't imagine those two in the same room much less on the same stage.
by Anonymous | reply 124 | May 25, 2018 4:08 PM |
Sandy Dennis did Agnes of God opposite Geraldine Page in Westport. Peggy Cass did the bus and truck opposite Susan Strasberg. I know at one point Sandy was announced for night Mother opposite Mercedes McCambridge. Not sure if Mercedes replaced Heckert or the other way around. Sandy also played Julie Cavendish in The Royal Family and, I think, Gale Sondegard played Fanny.
by Anonymous | reply 125 | May 25, 2018 4:11 PM |
I wish I could have seen Miss Nettleton's Blanche.
by Anonymous | reply 126 | May 25, 2018 4:23 PM |
[quote]Miss Faye Dunaway and Jon Voigt back in the 70's
Sounds like a powder keg. Did Miss Dunaway throw anything at him?
by Anonymous | reply 127 | May 25, 2018 4:25 PM |
I would imagine much shade and un-rewound videotapes, r127.
by Anonymous | reply 128 | May 25, 2018 4:29 PM |
The most brilliant Blanche I've seen onstage was Rosemary Harris in Ellis Rabb's revival at Lincoln Center in 1973. She was incandescent and James Farentino as Stanley had a brief UNFORGETTABLE nude scene. The entire production was wonderful. Lois Nettleton replaced Rosemary after the production moved to Broadway.
by Anonymous | reply 129 | May 26, 2018 3:19 AM |
r125 do you know who played Agnes in those productions?
by Anonymous | reply 130 | May 26, 2018 3:26 AM |
[quote]James Farentino as Stanley had a brief UNFORGETTABLE nude scene.
frontal?
by Anonymous | reply 131 | May 26, 2018 3:30 AM |
Yes, frontal. It was the scene the morning after the big Stella!!!!! scene and Farentino was seen getting out of bed with Stella in the nude. UNFORGETTABLE.
by Anonymous | reply 132 | May 26, 2018 3:33 AM |
According to the play, Blanche is only 30 years old...young! But she seems to think she's over the hill, washed up, youth gone "up the spout", so she lies about her age and will only go out with Mitch someplace where it's dark. I've noticed the actresses who play Blanche tend to look much older than 30, I guess to make it seem like Blanche really is getting up in age. But 30 is considered "old?" I guess it was when Tennessee Williams wrote the play.
by Anonymous | reply 133 | May 26, 2018 3:47 AM |
R133, she may be 30, but she's already seen the family home lost to creditors and nursed and buried her closest family members. Along the way, a bad drinking problem developed. She's not feeling fresh.
by Anonymous | reply 134 | May 26, 2018 3:50 AM |
I saw Jessica Lange in ASND on Broadway in 1992. Audience HATED her because she would not (couldn't?) SPEAK THE FUCK UP! BUT In the scene where drunk and volitale Stanley is forced under the shower, a dripping wet, shirtless Alec Baldwin slipped and fell storming out of the bathroom and almost slid into the orchestra pit! Not a night of theatre magic unfortunately.
by Anonymous | reply 135 | May 26, 2018 4:02 AM |
Leigh was about 38 years old in the film and she looked every worry of it. She was perfect. just perfect. Even her wig was perfect. That movie illuminates genius levels of performance at times. Casts a bit of a spell.
I can't see a thirty year old play Blanche. Maybe the character is 30 years old but her spirit is bucking and cracking and madness plays in the shadow of her downcast lashes.
by Anonymous | reply 136 | May 26, 2018 4:07 AM |
Was Leigh already having her own mental issues when she did Blanche?
by Anonymous | reply 137 | May 26, 2018 4:09 AM |
Saw this on VHS in the 90s. I didn’t find Lange to be a convincing Blanche. She’s a great actress but didnt love her in this.
by Anonymous | reply 138 | May 26, 2018 4:10 AM |
I have read some Leigh biographies but don't remember the chronology of her mental illness R137. She had a full psychotic break during the filming of Elephant Walk but no doubt the signs of manic illness were there for many years prior.
[quote] Tennessee Williams commented that Leigh brought to the role "everything that I intended, and much that I had never dreamed of". Leigh herself had mixed feelings about her association with the character; in later years, she said that playing Blanche DuBois "tipped me over into madness".
[quote]"I had nine months in the theatre of Blanche DuBois. Now she's in command of me."
Leigh's own feelings about the role are clear.
by Anonymous | reply 139 | May 26, 2018 4:26 AM |
these days even the Stellas they cast are just about at the point where they can stop buying tampons.
by Anonymous | reply 140 | May 26, 2018 4:33 AM |
Leigh's costuming and makeup in the film led someone to comment that she looks like something out of The Munsters, compared to how the others look. This is different to the other versions I have seen where Blanche is designed to look more contemporary.
by Anonymous | reply 141 | May 26, 2018 5:00 AM |
So I assume from her IMDB page that Jess has finally left acting and begun her new career as a falconer?
by Anonymous | reply 142 | May 26, 2018 5:30 AM |
[127] Dunnaway and Voight have appeared together on film. The re-make of The Champ comes to mind.
by Anonymous | reply 143 | May 26, 2018 6:04 AM |
Thirty in 1948 is a world away from thirty in 2018.
by Anonymous | reply 144 | May 26, 2018 9:06 AM |
She must've been really bad on stage because had she been halfway decent she would've scored a Tony nom -- stunt-casting Hollywood actress, stage debut, iconic role, big production, etc.
But nothing.
It's one thing for people to say they didn't like what she did with the character. But people were saying they couldn't even hear her! Yikes.
by Anonymous | reply 145 | May 26, 2018 9:11 AM |
[quote]So I assume from her IMDB page that Jess has finally left acting and begun her new career as a falconer?
Who knows? She's been announcing her retirement annually for the last five years. Just Google and you'll see articles from 2013, 2014, and on about how's so over the industry. And then - BOOM - a Marc Jacobs commercial comes along and she's back working.
by Anonymous | reply 146 | May 26, 2018 9:15 AM |
One of the funny things about a Southern accent is how a lot of real ones DO sound fake. Some Southern women, not all, actually like to play up their accents (not even consciously). The ones who like seeing a Confederate flag flying; for whom 'Southern' is part of their identity. I don't know if that exists anywhere else in the world. Do pro-independence Scots sound more Scottish?
I bet Blanche DuBois is one of those women. It allows for leeway, but Lange's Southern accent sounds begrudgingly Minnesotan doing Southern, i.e., kinda flattened and missing the rhythm.
by Anonymous | reply 147 | May 26, 2018 9:20 AM |
I saw Lange on the Charlie Rose show when she was doing Long Days Journey. She said her first two attempts on Broadway were not successful productions. He asked why and she said they just didn't come together as a whole. (She was talking about Glass Menagerie and STreetcar) She also joked that she maybe should have tried less classic plays for her stage debut. Then Charlie Rose took his pants off.
by Anonymous | reply 148 | May 26, 2018 9:28 AM |
The film version of Streeycar was so watered down. The word "goddamn" could not be uttered. When Stanley asks Blanche when she intends to get out of the bathroom she tells him "possess your soul in patience" and he says it's not his soul, it's his kidneys he's worried about. He couldn't mention his kidneys in the movie; I guess that was considered too suggestive. And Blanche's young husband is simply a sensitive soul who writes poetry instead of a closeted homosexual. Blanche has "meetings" with strangers, not '"intimacies." When she tells Mitch to get out she merely starts screaming instead of screaming "Fire! Fire! Fire!" And there was the stupid ending that seemingly shows Stella leaving Stanley for good, which goes against one of the main themes of the play: the sexual hold Stanley has on her. And how could she leave him, anyway? Where would she go, how would she live? And with a baby, no less. Maybe some people thought the ending was a good one because Stanley was getting punished for his behavior, but I thought it just fucked the whole story up. And in my mind after Stella runs up the stairs vowing never to go back to Stanley again Stanley comes out, yells up at her again, and she comes back down and they go back to their bedroom to rut. And life goes on.
by Anonymous | reply 149 | May 26, 2018 9:03 PM |
[quote]And Blanche's young husband is simply a sensitive soul who writes poetry instead of a closeted homosexual.
There's a whole thread (perhaps more than one) devoted to old euphemisms for gay. Most people knew.
by Anonymous | reply 150 | May 26, 2018 9:17 PM |
Befits Lange anyway. She never really did subtlety.
by Anonymous | reply 151 | May 26, 2018 9:20 PM |
R151, that's an uninformed comment. Lange's training as a mime has taught her how to act with the slightest of gestures and movements and turns of phrases. However, when the script calls for her to be grandiloquent, then she will let loose with abandon. She knows that that's what her fans want to see.
by Anonymous | reply 152 | May 26, 2018 10:02 PM |
R146 re. Falconry, a "jess" is the short leather strap tied to the leg of a hawk used for hunting.
by Anonymous | reply 153 | May 26, 2018 10:53 PM |
[quote]Lange's training as a mime has taught her how to act with the slightest of gestures and movements and turns of phrases
Mimes are slight in their gestures and use turns of phrase?
[quote]However, when the script calls for her to be grandiloquent, then she will let loose with abandon.
No, she "let's loose" in her very first scene and maintains to her very last scene.
[quote]She knows that that's what her fans want to see.
Correct. I suppose it's easier than trying to attract a better caliber of fan.
by Anonymous | reply 154 | May 27, 2018 5:48 AM |
Poor Matt, Lange hater, still trying. Then again, when your fave looks like this, what else can you do, lol?
by Anonymous | reply 155 | May 27, 2018 5:08 PM |
[quote]Mimes are slight in their gestures and use turns of phrase?
Yes. Corporeal mimes know how to communicate using their bodies, from big, expressive gestures, to slight, barely noticeable movements. And if you've ever seen physical theater, the actors will sometimes use text to counter what the body is actually conveying. The focus is on creating the drama through the moving human body.
by Anonymous | reply 156 | May 27, 2018 5:46 PM |
R130 I believe Agnes was Deirdre O'Connell. I have a playbill from it somewhere. AUTOGRAPHED!
by Anonymous | reply 157 | May 29, 2018 10:13 PM |
Gabourey Sidibe will be doing Blanche at the Burt Reynolds Dinner Theater.
Stanley Kowalski will be portrayed by Peter Dinklage.
by Anonymous | reply 158 | May 29, 2018 11:14 PM |
Fantastic adaptation.
by Anonymous | reply 159 | October 18, 2019 9:52 PM |
I want reviews of this from you withered cunts.
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