I love the Duchess of Cambridge

^Above - should be GEORGE was in the last row of bridal attendants coming up the aisle. For him and Charlotte, it was as if they were there, but not really there or part of it. There was zero access to them by the bride or her familiars.

After whatever Meghan will do, and she hightails it back to the U.S. in the middle of the night, one step ahead of the angry British peasantry, Kate will be pure and scandal-free.

I don't know about all that, but I love Kate.

R3, even if you don't know, check out Jessica Mulroney's instagram some time. There are no words. But check it out. You'll also instantly see the source of Meghan Markle's fashion sensibility, although to give Markle credit, she is actually far less trashy.

I admire her.

I'd love to know what Kate really thinks of Meghan. Here Kate had to wait, what, 10 years? to bring Wills to heel, while Meghan got Harry to the altar in two. Meghan is the glamorous new girl from Hollywood who landed the younger, more beloved prince, while Kate is married to stodgy old William. But Kate has had the spotlight all to herself since she married William. Will she be happy to share it, or will she be a bit jealous of Meghan's obvious popularity? Sharing might be OK for now, especially since Kate has a new baby. But what happens when Meghan starts cranking 'em out and stealing attention from Kate's kids?

It's been said that compared to the favoritism she and Will show Kate's family, Charles feels excluded from his older son's life, so I wondered if Charles' offer to walk Meghan part way down the aisle was an FU to Kate and the Middletons.

I still admire Kate; she's hardly put a foot wrong since she married William. If she really did ace out Mulroney (and Meghan) by making sure her kids couldn't be used for post-wedding Instagram/selfie purposes, more power to her.

I think Kate kept her two kids behind because they were expected to join their parents in waving goodbye to the bride and groom on the steps.

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R4- no, I know that Jessica person and she is an awful and totally out for attention.

Her original face, for the curious...

There's something about this woman that seems smug and showy and generally repelling. She seems to exude the same smarm as her vulgar father-in-law, which is odd given they're related only by marriage.

The Daily Mail has a hate on for her, but it's subtle... she better get the hell out of England soon or the Mail will start feasting.

I like Kate too. Don't love her. But she seems decent and solid and sensible. She isn't a celebrity, she's a member of the Royal Family and seems to understand that.

Eye roll..

Mulroney uses her kids as props. She posts pictures of her sons languidly embracing on the floor - CLEARLY posed, and then is all "This is what makes it all worth it." She's a very particular combination of absolute vulgarity - hell, vulgarity would be a step up - total trashiness, and sanctimonious faux ingenuousness. Like there she is in a mini skirt and seven inch cage stiletto heels, on the floor with her kids and the caption is "Family time." She'll post an instastory (is that what the extended clips are?) where she says, "I'm still so nervous every time!" She's about to go on camera or something. But what she really does is walk away from the camera in a shrink wrapped sequinned mini dress to show off her ass while fronting that she's showing us how nervous-yet-brave she is. And yet she has terrible sun damage on her skin, her eyes are close together, she bizarrely never fixed her nose despite going all in on the butt, lips and boobs. She does close-up of her face like she thinks she's seventeen - it's all doe eyes and mega filter but she's spackled on the porn star make-up and the just gave a bj wet nude lip. She had herself papped when she visited London recently - 38 years old, baseball cap and ripped jeans. Jesus. Then when she and the fam landed in London, papped AGAIN, she's in the center, her daughter is clinging to the side of the cart cheesing at the camera, and her husband is off to the side and walking behind.

I keep wondering if her hubby the gossip columnist and prime minister spawn is as smarmy and trashy as she is or if he just loves the publicity - any publicity - and has a side piece.

R6, my guess is Kate worries about Harry and that's it. The romantic situations are totally different. William and Kate were barely twenty when they met and William wasn't even twenty one when they started living together on campus. They are no different then Chelsy Davy and Harry who also went on for eight years plus and on and off despite being madly in love. The outcomes were different but the situations were the same - in love, found THE ONE, but impossible to commit at the ages they were and their still limited experience. If Meghan had met Harry when he was 19 and didn't marry him til she was 36, she'd be known as Marking Time Markle. She met him when she was 34 - that's why it went fast. It's not going to be a 10 year wait and they marry when she's 42.

He'd had two long term girlfriends who took a pass when it came to crunch time, his brother was obviously very happy while, he Harry, was alone, he was looking at 35, no partner, no family of his own and his exes were moving on. The eligible pool of women were moving on. I read he and Chelsy took one more stab at it in 2015 after he broke up with Cressida Bonas, but it didn't happen. I imagine after that he was ripe for the picking. The guy has been turned down by total slags - there's a web page with quotes from his roster of hook-ups and attempted hook-ups. He was desperate. And he's never been bright, but has a big ego.

Damn it R7, that makes sense. Well, there goes that theory.

Kate’s side eye at Camilla was everything! I don’t think she gives a passing thought to Nutmeg.

Totally agree, she is and always has performed her duties with aplomb and grace, Nutmeg needs to learn from her

Kate is the product of media indoctrination of the "isn't she wonderful, she's wonderful and here's why you MUST think so" variety. In reality, she spent 10 years idly waiting around for William to get around to marrying her. She finds having children preferable to public duties, likes the perks of being a Royal but not the job. Her attempts at replicating her late mother-in-law's caring and concern look studied and forced. She and Megs are identical: a couple of chavs who traded their souls for gold and got brass.

No, nobody's been indoctrinated R18 but I can see you are one of the eternally butt hurt about Kate.

OP sounds crazy. The children being held back was pre-planned, like everything else in a royal wedding, besides that long-winded preacher. Kate is a mean stuck up woman that doesn't even pretend to care about the Royal charities. I don't like her, but I understand her and can respect her game. If I were in her shoes I'd be the same way. Enjoy the perks, pump out some kids, stay in my palaces, give zero fucks.

Meghan, based on her ghosting habits, is just as mean. But these women got the world's most popular Princes so I give nothing but props to their 4D chess moves.

R19 obviously doesn't read the Brit press.

R9 Jessica Mulroney is the wife of Canadian media personality Ben Mulroney who is the son of Canada's former Prime Minister the universally loathed Brian Mulroney. Apparently she is some kind of fashion stylist who milks her husband's connection and became close friends with Meghan when Meghan was living in Toronto. What is well known here in Toronto is that Ben Mulroney is a closet case who is a frequent user of "elite" male escorts and he had a fling with former TV host turned politician Seamus O'Reagan.

OMG, R22... I heard exactly the same story at dinner Saturday night. Fuck me. That's so close to what I heard.

[quote]became close friends with Meghan when Meghan was living in Toronto.

I suspect it was the other way around.

MM has moved on to more glamorous circles. With the wedding out of the way La Duchesse pull her MO and faster than you can say "boo!" the Toronto set will fade in her rear view mirror.

R23 Yup is a pretty open secret in Toronto. What did you hear?

The teller walked in on a blow job during a party.

[quote]Meghan is the glamorous new girl from Hollywood who landed the younger, more beloved prince, while Kate is married to stodgy old William.

Huh? Only one will get to be queen one day and for that reason alone, she will never want for attention. Ask Andrew (also the fave in his day) and Fergie.

I love her too, and I think she's gorgeous. She will be a fabulous and regal Queen consort!

Team Kate.

Obviously, she wasn’t in top form, but she’s great—snobbiness included!

What did Kate wear to the wedding?

If Kate would rather stay home with her young kids than do public appearances, it's fine by me. Her real job is to breed and raise another generation of the royal family, and if she wants to spend more time with her young children than with the public, then she's actually doing her job right. She ought to put her little kids first!

Or I hope she's doing her job right, for all I know she spends all that private time at home smoking crack! But really, I don't demand that someone with kids that young spend a lot of time on the job.

OP, remember that Markle managed to reduce Kate's role in this internationally televised wedding to that of child-minder! That is damn near a masterstroke!

Of course, Kate has proven that she can play the long game. She wouldn't be a future queen, if she weren't as patient as a snake.

Kate's position is firmly established and unassailable. She doesn't need to upstage the Yank upstart. That smug smile on her face said it all.

Yeah, I don't think Kate gives a shit about Meghan to be honest.

I like the gossip about that Mulroney woman's husband. Is she a beard or does she not know? Hard to imagine if the gossip is getting out. Her husband is pretty cute.

This OP is a real nut job. Go play on the freeway, OP.

[quote]Kate is the product of media indoctrination of the "isn't she wonderful, she's wonderful and here's why you MUST think so" variety. In reality, she spent 10 years idly waiting around for William to get around to marrying her. She finds having children preferable to public duties, likes the perks of being a Royal but not the job. Her attempts at replicating her late mother-in-law's caring and concern look studied and forced.

Perfectly stated. I left off the last part, because I'm not co-signing to it.

I thought Kate behaved as she was supposed to at the wedding.

If you think any of the royals were happy about watching the media whore , blind item leaking Sparkle marrying Harry, you are deluding yourself.

They could not snub Sparkle and were smart enough to not do so. No one can fault their behavior at the wedding. Aside from some stifled giggles from Charles and William and Camilla, etc., at the long winded sermon, everyone in the RF was very polite. Kate was willing to handle the children. If she had not, or if she had excluded all the children but her own, all those Sugars would have jumped all over her. They continue to do so, of course, but those who are not looking for faults of Kate, saw the truth of her behavior.

Few are fooled by Sparkle and her fame whoring buddy. Lots of people know there is something "off" about the bride. She exposed her own real faults by the way she (and Harry) have treated her father over the time that they have been together.

As far I've read, QEII is happy to let William and Kate enjoy their time with their young family. The Queen remembers what a happy time that was for her and how much she missed when she unexpectedly became Queen. She wants William & Kate to have as much time with their young children as possible. I'm sure she also knows how much her distance from her children impacted Charles, in particular, and she wants no repeat of that with another generation.

2 billion watched Meghan's wedding. How man watched Katey-Waitey's wedding?

Just curious.

Where is the website that has quotes from Harry's hook-up and hook-up attempts please?

Great, so we're now going to have Sparkle's famewhore bbf and her fugly kids shoved down our throats as well?

Omg. That Mulroney woman’s IG is beyond belief.

I’m sure they get along fine. It’s too early for Markle to have done anything to upset Kate. She’s not stupid. And Kate is going to be Queen, so she’ll always have more power and in the end a lot more attention so she doesn’t care who Harry marries.

Diana fought with everyone, but Kate is too indifferent to start a fight and Meghan would never pick a fight with someone more powerful. She knows which side her bread is buttered.

And if it turns out they eventually don’t get along it hasn’t started yet. No way Meghan was dumb enough to start a war BEFORE she marries the Prince.

I'll just leave this here:

We're supposed to be a democracy.

I wonder if Meg and Harry knew about Kate's pregnancy and her due date, when they set the date of their wedding?

Because there's no better way to guarantee that you'll outshine another woman, than to invite comparison when she's just had a baby. Or when she's about to pop one out.

Meghan didn’t pick the date r45, it was chosen based around the commitments the rest of the royals already had.

It's much too early now to forecast the dynamics of the various royal relationships. I will say that some of you are reading too much into the machinations of the wedding - it was just another royal production for the masses. Everything was planned and executed with great efficiency, down to the cars arriving within seconds of being on time. Kate had to be there for her children as they played roles in the wedding - she was tasked to ensure their cooperation in walking through the church. Any mother would understand that a pep talk was required from her directly ahead of their participation. Meghan is the new kid at school - she knows that she has to get along with everyone to make things work to her advantage. Kate SEEMS like a sweet woman, and she will no doubt feel the exaltation of rank and position when she has to deal with those who might intentionally cause her trouble. She'll do her thing when that time comes. All the protocol, aside as it relates to the Queen, might be for public consumption. According to rank at various times in recent history, both Margaret and Anne were/are required to curtsy and show deference to new comers - how much do you want to bet that they DIDN'T?

Good thread so far! Want more gossip on Mulroney’s closed husband!

Also: have you Toronto insiders heard anything about MM over the years since she started “Suits”? Curious about the upper crust in Toronto *really* think of Markle and this marriage...

*closeted husband

OP is someone who KNOWS NOTHING, yet comes to an anonymous chat board to act as if he's some sort of insider, and making himself look particularly foolish while doing it. Let's be sad for him. And dear God, let's not.........................engage.

@R47 Diana: "Margaret, I am the Princess of Wales so you have to curtsy to me."

Margaret: "Bitch, PLEASE!"

I wouldn’t blame Kate one bit for despising Meghan the gossip leaker. And I wouldn’t blame her for keeping her children far away from Meghan and her famewhore friends.

Was hoping to find a pic online of Margaret curtsying to Diana, but could find any. I'm betting she never put herself in a public situation where it was required.

^^^ couldn't find ^^^

R14, thanks for tip about Mulroney’s Instagram account. It’s hilarious!

I just looked at her Instagram and left to wonder how this woman is a stylist. Her fashion sense is terrible. As for her husband, I think it's interesting that he had a picture up with Lainey. I don't read her anymore but I wonder if she's gotten inside info from him. Regarding the gay story, is the blow story just an urban legend? It sounds like that's a possibility.

Get a life, OP. There's got to be a bowling alley somewhere near whatever Midwestern hellhole you live in.

I love that OP posted this, I had no idea about this fugly famewhore and her closeted hubs. In more in agreement with R20 on Kate though, she knew what she wanted and she plays the game well.

I think her side eye to Camilla was more a look of "stop laughing, or I'll crack up too". They actually struck me as being very friendly to each other. No idea if that's true or not, but it would make sense as Kate is no dummy.

R57 is a wart located well inside the twat-gape of an old hippo cow at the Wichita zoo.

Best thread opener of the year.

Thank you, OP.

[quote]OP, remember that Markle managed to reduce Kate's role in this internationally televised wedding to that of child-minder! That is damn near a masterstroke!

What else would she have done at the wedding? Live commentary from her seat? Sing? Perform the ceremony? I cannot imagine so I look to your superior insight into the role(s) of which she was deprived by this masterstroke.

[quote]Was hoping to find a pic online of Margaret curtsying to Diana, but could find any. I'm betting she never put herself in a public situation where it was required.

Like Kate apparently is supposed to but does not curtsy to the Yorkies, Margaret, who was the daughter of a king and if you didn't know it would be happy to tell you, would never have curtsied to Diana except, I suppose, had she become queen. And then it probably would have been a bob owing more to gin than protocol.

[quote]Also: have you Toronto insiders heard anything about MM over the years since she started “Suits”? Curious about the upper crust in Toronto *really* think of Markle and this marriage...

I am not upper crust in Toronto and would argue Meagain and the Mulroney crowd weren't either, though the Mulroney crowd are part of the connected crust of young(ish) people who like the places to be seen and stroke each others egos (and apparently possibly other tender parts as well.). But before Prince Harry unless you ran in that crowd, who'd ever heard of the girl? I gather she was effective at 'networking'... I don't think anybody gravitated toward her, I think she gravitated toward people who could provide access to the places to be seen. I didn't even know Suits filmed here and usually you get a sense of what's filming in town because if it's good enough, it gets some publicity in one form or another. But now she's Duchess I suppose most people will find her completely attractive. Whether or not she still takes their calls remains to be seen. Once Meagain gets a full head of being royalty she may find her old "friends" have less to offer, other than as the subject of snark in the Daily Mail, which doesn't really go with brand Duchess of Success.

[quote]I think her side eye to Camilla was more a look of "stop laughing, or I'll crack up too".

Agree, that's how I saw it. They got busted. Can't imagine when Meagain and Harry sit down with the video that there won't be a couple disquieting moments. Luckily they can rationalize it as fits and giggles over Rev. Corndog's revival meeting.

Jessica is friends with Lainey from LaineyGossip. That's all you need to know to cement her cunt credentials.

What a life... to be that shallow and raising children that will reflect your value system and your Instagram.

Kate will be Queen of England. The rest are D list Hollywood at best.

I cannot be the only person in the world who noticed, so I'm asking if anyone else saw it: When the cameras were showing the lesser invitees walking in front of Windsor Castle to the nave, they very briefly showed a transexual/drag queen walking with two other actual women. There was no mistaking it. It was a MAN dressed in a dress and hat like all the other women. "Interesting" I thought to myself.

Serious question here, but does Kate ever leave the palace? I remember Diana was always being photographed out and about. You never see that with Kate. Is she held prisoner??

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Diana was a needy, immature, damaged, calculating woman who needed and sought the media affirmation R 65. The Duchess is a mature adult who is confident within herself. She doesn’t seek the attention, nor does she need to. Unlike celebrities, royalty are always ‘there’, whether in the media or not. Stardom should NEVER be their goal.

[quote] Meghan ... landed the younger, more beloved prince, while Kate is married to stodgy old William.

"More beloved Prince"? That dolt Harry? Oh, please. Anyone who thinks that does not live in England (or lives here but doesn't read the newspapers). Locals know all the moronic, arrogant, offensive stuff that Harry has said over the years. He usually got a pass because he's Diana's half-orphaned young kid. But he's in his 30s now, so next time he screws up (and, trust me, there will be a next time), the public won't be as forgiving.

R47 and others, the rules of the curtsy (and bow) are set and are not skipped (Margaret aside) except with mutual agreement. No one curtsies to a "newcomer." The protocol is set and it is not personal - it is logical in royal terms and affects no one but the royals involved. For example, Kate curtsies to Eugenie if they meet, but Eugenie curtsies to her if William is present. It may sound ludicrous to the feral populaces of the USA who do not know how to introduce a friend to their mother, but it is historically set.

And anyone who sees what a bow (head bob) or curtsy (cross legs and dip with slight head movement) knows it is not like Anna meeting the King of Siam.

Thank you, R67!

Body language analysis shows that Kate, among all of them except the queen and Philip, is the most expert, at ease, and sincere (in presentation) of all of them. No defensive postures or gestures, confidence, good humor, kindness and interest, and desire to put others at ease. She's amazing when you watch her. Her side-eyes are always funny, not condemnatory.

R48 My now ex-boyfriend worked for CTV when were dating just over a decade ago. I think it was the summer of 2007 (don't quote me on that) but for the first year CTV entered a float in Toronto Pride and encouraged many of it's staff and on-air personalities to take part. Apparently Mulroney point blank refused to take part despite the fact people like Tanya Kim and others from etalk were taking part. He was concerned "about rumours." I'm also friends with a current CTV journalist who told me at Mulroney once walked up behind him and grinded against his ass.

Have you heard that Sparkle is engaging herself in feminisme ! Read that somewhere . Feminisme according to,Sparkle : When you spot a rich man immedately fall on your knees or on your back with your legs wide. open . Put some effort in seducing him so he can marry you and you never have to work again 😂.

Love Kate. She’s secure in herself, her place, and the devotion of her husband, and it totally shows. I’m curious what would have been the chain of events if the grooms dad had a major heart procedure days before the wedding?

[quote]Omg. That Mulroney woman’s IG is beyond belief.

I checked it out too and it's over the top. I have no problem with Megan and wish her well in her marriage, but being friends with that woman makes me wonder about her a bit. Maybe Jessica has an amazing personality that makes up for her attention seeking and bad taste?

R76 No Jessica is gold digger who married her [gay] husband for his money and social connections.

R77 No wonder she and Megs are such great friends.

I love Kate too . It has taken some years to adjust to her . But now i like her better than Meghan Still big fan of Diana even with all her faults . I remember her fondly .

In all the time Kate has been associated with William, from university to present, she really hasn't made an embarrassing misstep or garnered untoward attention, has she? Except for a couple of hemlines raised in gusts of wind and the grainy topless photos taken from a couple kilometers distance, nothing. That is the kind of discretion that makes her so valuable to the family.. A 16-17 year track record is impressive.

Do you really think that Meghan can get a way with leaking gossip blinds through Mulroney to Lainey or whoever? It should be easy enough to figure where the information came from and it will not be tolerated.

[quote]I wouldn’t blame Kate one bit for despising Meghan the gossip leaker. And I wouldn’t blame her for keeping her children far away from Meghan and her famewhore friends.

You're mentally ill. I wonder if you're an Aspie? You sound like an Aspie, yes you do.

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I imagine it must kinda suck to be married to the firm. I know there’s wealth and all that, but what do you do all day besides pop out kids? Can’t go out and shop, go to the gym, tea with friends, etc. Must get boring.

OP you really need to get out more. Your post is that of an unhinged Frau.

Her mother was a stewardess!

Jessica really isn't attractive.

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OP and others, did you see this thread?

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The only thing this thread was good for was introducing me to Ben Mulroney and his gay rumors.

Otherwise, OP is one deranged faguette.

[quote]It's been said that compared to the favoritism she and Will show Kate's family, Charles feels excluded from his older son's life, so I wondered if Charles' offer to walk Meghan part way down the aisle was an FU to Kate and the Middletons..

Nah, I saw it as Charles just being a good guy. He also escorted Meghan's mother out of the church. I read that they asked him, not that he offered.

I like Kate a lot too. I don't think she'll mind sharing the spotlight with Meghan because I'm not sure she wants it. And whoever said that the 'side eye' toward Camilla was trying not to laugh herself. I agree. My family had a similar situation at a funeral where one started getting the giggles.

Lainey and Ben Mulroney are coworkers on a Canadian entertainment gossip show. Relatively early in the Meghan/Harry relationship. Lainey printed a blind about Kate not offering to take Meghan to a shop when she herself was going there.

Who could that blind item possibly have come from, especially given that Lainey is in Canada and HAD zero contacts inside Kensington Palace, except Meghan?

Charles is said to be vulnerable to flattery and sycophancy, so I'm betting that asking him to walk her down the aisle is the first salvo in Meghan's war to win Charles$$$ over. Next, she'll start talking to his geraniums.

I think MM having the Mulroney wife as a "bestie" makes her suspicious.

R89 lol at Megan in that picture compared to her grandma royal lewk today. Welcome to the Firm!

[quote]Who could that blind item possibly have come from, especially given that Lainey is in Canada and HAD zero contacts inside Kensington Palace, except Meghan?

Give her a break. If it did come from her, it was probably her bitching to her friend and it got out. I don't think Megan would have leaked that on purpose.

[quote] To understand the Duchess of Cambridge, just look at her mother — a sharp-as-a-tack, down to earth woman who clearly keeps a strong guard over her emotions ( she would have rightly considered the black minister a fool of false emotion), and who also married a very nice man who she keeps watch over. Mother and daughter are guardian types, warm within, but you would cross them at your peril. At the moment she right sees her role as being a fulltime mother.

Unless you are the frauest frau who ever fraued, there aren't enough "MARY!"s that would be adequate as a response to this.

Great, so we're now going to have Sparkle's famewhore bbf and her fugly kids shoved down our throats as well?

Nah, r41. She’ll jettison Jessica soon, if not immediately. Someone connected to a gossip site will be distanced by The Firm, anyway.

Yeah, I agree, R97. Slowly but surely the Firm will distance Meghan from her fame-thirsty friend.

Can they do that? What do they say: Don't talk to her?

The Duchess has already shed all those people who helped propel her to her current standing. She is now in orbit. No further assistance required, thank you very much.

Ableist language isn’t welcome on the DL, R81. You sound like a literal nazi.

I agree, R91, I think Charles was being a good guy. Why shouldn't he do something to help make this a good day for his son?

Kate seems to be good at the job she's taken on, which is to make William happy and to give him a family fit to be royals. If that means spending more time with the kids than the public then good, that's the way to get the job done properly!

Re Charles - I think it was damage control, to prevent the event from spiraling down into something even worse than the lead-up to it. The royals are arch-masters at that. And re Kate's side-eye to Camilla - I feel sure she was communicating "Do you believe this - wtf?"

Does anyone else get Jessica and Ben mixed up with Armie Hammer and Elizabeth Chambers? I check out both threads and they’re getting conflated in my old brain.

I get Beyoncé and Jay Z mixed up with Kim K and Kanye, too.

R84 here!

R76 R78 Things that make you go hmmmm..... I've noticed an inordinate amount of snuggling/huggy/closerthanthis pics of Jessica & Meghan together. Now that I'm reading about Ben Mulroney's extramarital pastimes on this thread, I wonder about J & M. Most straight girls don't entwine their bodies with with their girlfriends to this extent - much less be photographed together so often looking like they're crazy-glued together. They sure enjoy getting into each other's 'personal space'. Much more so than Jessica & Ben together. And now that Megs is on her own with Harry at the Palace, who's going to be her new 'bestie' with perqs? It sure as hell won't be Catherine.

Google link is too long to preview: Google images jessica mulroney meghan markle together

Going through the Mulroney creatures instagram, her face seemed to look ok in 2016. Tweaked, but not over the top freak show like she looks now. She seems like a total phoney, and there is NO WAY that her husband is straight.

[quote]I don't think she'll mind sharing the spotlight with Meghan because I'm not sure she wants it.

I don't think one of them is in it for the spotlight. You can decide who is who.

She's a whore, and so's the other one.

Tell us something we don't know.

[quote] Jessica Mulroney’s ‘Pippa moment’ was no accident...And it seems she was already practicing her pert-posterior plan last month.

“At a Toronto gala, a prominent photographer asked Mulroney to pose. She said archly, ‘I’m going to give you some Pippa,’ and turned her back to offer a rear shot,” a friend of Markle’s told reporter Sharon Churcher.

“I was kind of shocked, but that’s Jessica for you.”

R111, oh shit.

I think Jessica looks like Sarah Paulson. And her husband is sofa king gay.

Another “Pippa moment” before the reception

Does Jessica just not photograph well?....Surely, Meghan could have found someone more likable and attractive if she wanted some downlow Social Diary pussy.

Ben is *adorable*.

r113, that photo makes it look like she has a tail.

Meghan needs a place to land when her royal stint is over though, and she doesn't have anywhere unless she sets up a new man before she's booted out of the RF. She and Jessica Mulroney need each other - doesn't Jessica come from money?

Ben being gay explains everything. There is no way a straight man could tolerate Jessica without a mistress. Jessica isn't up from the streets, so I simply don't understand what she's done to herself. Her instagram selfies before the reception showed total porn face. She's also too old for it. She's looks like a road hard porn star, but shows it off like the Kardashians do, like she thinks she's 19 years old.

r116, maybe she has prosopagnosia. Maybe that's why she's so bitchy, too, as a cover for not being able to recognize anybody ever.

The Waity Katie thing was always such bullshit. Do people think it would have been more appropriate for Will and Kate to marry when they met at 20? When you meet up with "the one" at that age it's a given you're going to be on and off for a long stretch until mid to late 20s, at which point you're going to sink or swim. The long wait was a function of their ages, that's how it is.

Just like Harry and Chelsy. Was he Hopeless Harry for hanging on throughout his early 20s until he was early 30s, waiting on Chelsy to change her mind? They did eight years, broke up "for good" then he went back for another go after breaking up with Cressida.

The Swedish Crown princess was with her husband for eight years before they got married when she was 32. Her sister, Madeleine, got engaged at age 27 to the guy she'd been with since she was 19 - why did THEY wait around? Good thing they did, actually, because he cheated and they broke off the engagement. She met someone else and married him 2 years later. And her brother famously fell in love with his own Meghan Markle (reality star, model who'd done nudes) but waited five years.

It's a royal thing to give it time if you want it to last, but if people want to bash Kate and think she should have started a career she was only going to need to quit, that's fine I guess. Other girlfriends flitted from career to career, changing them every few months or years - if you have the option ($$$) why is that bad?

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[quote] Kate seems to be good at the job she's taken on, which is to make William happy and to give him a family fit to be royals.

She's a true role model for young 21st century girls.

The whole "surround yourself with fugs" is such bad, bad theory. All it does is drag the so-called pretty one down. I've seen it. I had a friend - zaftig redhead with a gorgeous face, who had one friend prettier than the next. A lot of brides try to play their bridesmaids down, but she had an evening wedding where her bridesmaids were full on glamour - black sequins by Vera Wang, a dress that could go anywhere and looked great on everyone. The consensus was "What a gorgeous wedding party, one is more beautiful than the next, and Tracy looked incredible!" There were actually a couple of bridesmaids who were just "attractive" but the presentation made them all look stunning. The bride better be fucking, I don't know, Elizabeth Taylor, to overcome a bunch of fugly hangers on. But I guess a lot of girls think they're prettier than they are.

[quote] Charles is said to be vulnerable to flattery and sycophancy, so I'm betting that asking him to walk her down the aisle is the first salvo in Meghan's war to win Charles$$$ over.

I think this true. But, Camilla knows Charles very, very well and can spot someone using her (Camilla's) technique on Charles.

Camilla is one tough old bitch and will have no problem at all at handling Sparkle's antics.

Out of the way, bitch and don't come back.

There are plenty of role models for 21st century girls. Kate's job is to not be QE and Prince Phillip, who raised four seriously dysfunctional kids (even Anne had two broken marriages - her second is rumored to now be just an understanding). Her job is not to be Diana. Her job is to be a throwback to Queen Mum and King George and raise sane who grew up in a secure happy home, and show stability to the British people. The British Royal family is simply not set up to be a role model for anyone, since the wives are not allowed to work, certainly not the wife of an heir presumptive, and what they actually do for work is a complete joke. Look it up and even the definitions of their "jobs" hem and haw. Dress up and show up, that's the job. You might as well stay home with your kids considering there are royals like Beatrice and Eugenie dying to get out there and prove they deserve to be on the civil list (is that still a thing)?

On this topic and since I've posted about Sweden, I saw a documentary that followed the queen into her office. The corridors she walked with her assistant were deadly quiet. She enters her office and talks about how hard she had to work to get people to set one up for her and give her a typewriter, how people were not used to the consort having an office. She pats two spiral bound binders that are apparently her "work". She says "This is [some event coming up]" and the other binder is something she mumbles about. No phones are ringing, and her assistant has vaporized. She talks repeatedly about how it is not a 9-5 job, and all the things they must be aware of at a dinner. Meanwhile she's in her office and nothing is going on. Finally she walks across the office and shows a picture of her daughter Madeleine's billboard in Times Square, talking about protecting kids or something. Her work is a joke. She likes dressing up, going to work, paging through binders and making decisions about place settings, and she does it in an actual office in a building away from her living quarters, but could easily do it in a sitting room.

[quote][R113], that photo makes it look like she has a tail.

That photo makes her look like she got her face sprayed at an auto body shop.

Megan ain't winning Charles over. He did that for Harry. There's video of that garden party today. When Harry is speaking, Camilla spends the entire time next to Meghan leaning her weight on the opposite leg. But my favorite part is kind of mysterious. The camera is on Meghan doing her hand talking, very animated, Harry not getting a word in. Into the frame steps someone who turns out to be an aide, who signals Harry (Meghan does not notice) Harry steps out and up comes PC, who puts a hand on his arm, says a couple of words, and gestures. Kisses Harry "good'by". Meghan has finished talking but PC does not look at her or talk to her though she's right there a couple of feet away. He walks off. Camilla comes up, kisses Harry, then there's an awkard moment with Meghan where it's like, am I just going to shake your fingers - I'd prefer that - oh well, air kiss. And it's a no-energy air kiss on one side. Then Camilla turns her back and follows Charles wherever he went. Next thing, Harry and Meghan are leaving. Meghan doing her swaying catwalk walk up the stairs. But they'd been dismissed, and PC didn't even say so long to the bride!

Video link please r126

Kate does her job and doesn't fuck up. She and William seem to really love each other. And her family isn't an embarrassing dumpster fire like Sparkles.

lol, R115!

What was Harry thinking? Couldn't he see all of this?

[quote] Kate does her job

Oh, it feels good to laugh again!! That girl hasn't done an honest day of work in her entire pointless life of a breeding sow.

Her job IS breeding. Breeding and smiling and shaking hands.

Starts here R127 (if I copied link at current time correctly)

Breeding is the whole damn POINT. Do you think shaking hands, planting trees, looking interested at some new school program, pinning a shamrock on a pony or getting hugged by school kids has a point? There have actually been studies on the economic impact of the royals making the rounds and promoting this sustainable bake shop and that inner city garden, and it's just about nil. All of the supposed work serves one purpose, to persuade people that the royals represent them and by "calling attention" to something, can give them a boost. But there's no correlation. What Kate is doing - being a good mom and a good wife - will, if the monarchy is to survive, go a whole lot further towards sustaining it than her putting on another coat dress and visiting a Land Rover dealership. The monarchy would never have survived another marriage like Charles and Diana's. They're getting one in Meghan and Harry (absent any sincerity whatsoever on the bride's part) but it doesn't matter. What matters is the stability of the would-be king's family, and that's what Kate provides.

Everyone talks about how hard Princess Anne works. I think these are from people who don't give a shit if what she does has any meaning or helps anybody, they just like the idea of her getting out of bed and doing something. Dance, privileged princess, dance! Dance in the rain!

If that's what people mean when they talk about hard-working royals, and I think it is, then the monarchy won't last anyway.

Kate is so so shady, and Carole Middleton is gagging that Pippa will no longer be a de facto royal.

Thanks R126. You weren’t kidding! I thought for sure that there must have been some DL sarcasm and exaggeration in your post, but there wasn’t! What a terribly awkward interaction to have on camera!

I'd guess Carole is happy as a pig in shit. Pippa is married to a millionaire and unless her son is found in a compromising position with a farm animal, nothing her family does will be as embarrassing as the Markles.

It’s towards the very end of the video for those who want to watch.

Pippa's father-in-law has been accused of rape by two women and Uncle Gary was relatively recently arrested for assaulting his wife in public, so yeah, I do think that Carol(e) is happy that the Markles and their moveable feast of awkward moments are sucking up the negative press right now.

Kate is grounded in a way that none of the RF is. She seems to have been raised in an involved, loving family which she can turn to for some semblance of sanity and normalcy. Add to that the future king is in love with her, and she has nothing to fear or be insecure about from anyone.

Does the Moon deign to acknowledge a barking dog?

What r34 said.

The Duchess of Cornwall, one day Queen of England doesn't feel one iota jealousy or challenge from Markle.

I was hoping for something bitchier in that garden party video! Meghan was gushing over the tchotchke when Charles departed and Camilla was trying to make a quick getaway.

I thought they are supposed to be in Dublin now? Was that a rumour?

Starting at 4:00, did anyone notice her jump right in with a big “thank you!” when the woman congratulated Harry?

Back to etiquette school...

R142 Charles was not departing, nor was Camilla. It was Charles' event. He let Harry know it was time for HARRY to leave, with the missus. Directly after that exchange Meghan sashayed across the lawn and up the stairs with her baby boy.

Who is littering this thread with anti-Pippa spam and the usual I hate Kate talking points?

R143, Meghan has been doing that since the beginning. I thought it was a learning curve. She's used to being the star of her pairing, she's American, and the walking one step behind and not talking over your significant other thing because you're so so much smarter are new muscles for her. But she has not adjusted an iota. She makes one concession to her position - when the queen is around, or PC, she wears hose and is demurely dressed. That's it, nothing else.

My guess is her head is not in the game. She doesn't care if she succeeds or not; she has another agenda. I guess use being Duchess to gilt her resume, then become a glam royalish divorcee'. I've never seen someone so blatantly go through the motions. Although I think she's a schemer, I also think she's probably not too bright, has the same bag of tricks with maybe four lowest common denominator tricks in it, and plays them over and over. She doesn't think we can see her because her narcissism makes her believe she's always the smartest in the room. Anyway, I've learned that lowest common denominator behavior can get a person far - it's low, but actually a talent to know what it is and operate at that level.

Wow R144- you're right - Charles was telling the Dumbartons to GTFO of his birthday party. Wonder what pissed Chuck off so much that he'd throw Harry and new bride out of his official 70th?

I was surprised to read that Charles found the gospel choir for the wedding.

Agreed, R140. As to what was Harry thinking, I just think maybe Buckingham Palace did a big PR job on him with the action hero, defender of the vulnerable, the guy who really wants to be regular (albeit with a trust fund) and hates being royal. I think he's still Vegas Harry. His glamping trips with the girlfriend du jour are a joke, supposedly. He's not too bright - did worse at school than William, and William had to downgrade to a geography major at St. Andrews just to keep going (Art History was just too damn tough). I think he's also vain, and loves his image. I've seen gifs of him winking at the camera, finding himself adorable and charming. He has spent a few years as Kate and Will's sidekick - looking at it now, that was clearly part of his rehab. Wasn't it darling, Harry the scamp as third wheel to his brother and sis-in-law. There were memes and gifs everywhere when they'd do the three muskateers thing.

He smokes, he drinks, I think he does more than that.

What I've read about William, he had a circle of friends at school, he partied and drank a lot, but he also had his loner side. He liked the country, sports, all that. I think he may have inherited his mother's natural suspicion. Apparently he used to do the common gambit of giving out different info to different friends, and when it made the press, he'd know which friend not to trust. He would have seen Meghan coming a mile away. If you look at his girlfriend history, there's not an operator among them. They all seem to be pretty safe bets, know the score, and many have moved onto healthy marriages. Even his wilder, "bad influence" friends have moved onto domestic life.

Harry spent ten years with Chelsy Davy. I think he'll always been in love w/her and vice versa. The star-crossed tragedy is supposedly she couldn't face royal life, but you can't help wondering if she couldn't face royal life WITH HARRY. Loved him, but knew he'd be no help, and need her to protect him, blah blah blah. When he was dating Cressida Bonas, one of his friends anonymously told Vanity Fair that both she and Harry were much younger than their ages, very spoiled, very entitled, and that's why it didn't work. Just last January, on the polo field, a non-royal blasted Harry, called him an asshole, because of how Harry had acted. William ended up apologizing for Harry.Then there's Harry spending a year letting his girlfriend be obnoxious on instagram - spooning bananas, hash tagging #London, getting herself papped. I honestly think he's basically unmarriagable for any girl who has money and freedom without him.

But why would she even suspect that someone would be congratulating her; that’s what I can’t comprehend.

Doesn’t everyone learn when they go to their first wedding as a child that one never, ever, ever says congratulations to the bride? It’s the most rudimentary thing and she blows it on her first outing.

I’m looking forward to the many gaffes to come.

R148, Charles didn't find the gospel choir. Charles did fuck all with this wedding except write a few checks, and not as many as the public relations pretend.

About a month before the wedding, all of the musicians were in the media, thrilled to bits that Meghan had called and asked them to be in the wedding (just one month before). I think she got some of them from the Stephen Laurence memorial event. It was all about how wonderful Meghan was to invite off the beaten track, unconventional musicians.

Then in the comments section on countless blogs and web pages, people were talking about how involved Charles was with Kate and William's wedding. How he was very involved with choosing the music, but Meghan didn't have music til 3.5 weeks before. That's why now they're pretending he chose their music or found the choir.

Kensington Palace can't keep its stories straight. All its press releases sound like they were written by her. For awhile it pretended it would be a discreet wedding, then it threw caution to the wind and threw out enormous price tags for everything. It's all bullshit. I'd bet the supposed cost of the wedding that most of it was merchandised. Cartier already has wedding pics up and name checks Meghan's jewelry. That's that - it was free. Givenchy issues a smarmy press release talking about the "iconic purity" of the wedding and bridemaids dresses. Clearly all Givenchy did was buy some really good fabric and create a pattern off pictures of Princess Angela of Lichtenstein, JLo in Wedding Planner, Audrey Hepburn in 1964 Vogue, and Carolyn Bessette Kennedy's white column evening dress (Meghan's dress design has been AROUND). No embellishment, didn't even fit, that thing didn't cost 300k and was given to her anyhow.

I think it was all quid pro quo. We pick you for the wedding, and you can self promote your ass off on instagram all you want.

Do you know the wedding had gift bags that included 20% off coupons for the Windsor gift shop? That her Suits cast - the people she'd worked with for seven years - weren't invited to the evening reception but the Cloonys and Oprah, whom she doesn't know, were?

Also that Clooney acted as bar tender at the evening wedding reception and got to pimp his tequila. Now on the tequila website or instagram there's a picture of a bride with a box of Clooney's tequila.

And don’t forget this...

[quote]Charlotte Bow Necklace with petite pave diamond bow — 14K gold — .09ct diamonds — As seen in Meghan Markle's Royal Wedding on the bridal party

[quote]Kensington Bracelet with solid gold disc — 14k gold — Disc 6.25mm diameter — Length 6.5” with adjustable rings for sizing — As seen in Meghan Markle's Royal Wedding on the bridal party

[quote]Windsor Heart Pendant Necklace with solid gold heart pendant — 14K gold — Engraving for additional fee of $40 — As seen in Meghan Markle's Royal Wedding on the bridal party

[quote]Dash Ear Studs with diamonds — 14K gold — .06ct diamonds — As seen on Meghan Markle in Vanity Fair, People.com, Instyle

If only we were there!

Harry must be at loose ends, generally. He's out of the army and doesn't have a job, the person he's closest to is wrapped up with his young family, and he's got nothing to do with himself but official low-level royal appearances. And what do dopey straight guys do, when they don't know what to do with their lives??? They always, ALWAYS, find some woman who's smarter and stronger-willed than they are, and let her run their lives. Tell me that's not what's going on here.

Which means that they'll be having a kid soon, quite soon. He thinks having a sprog will give his life meaning, she thinks it'll give her a permanent foothold in the royal family. Definitely soon.

R43, Meghan already started a war by dropping a blind attempting to undermine Kate. The "Snubbed by the snob" blind that told Kate and Meghan met up at the KP grounds going to the same place to shop, but Kate failed to offer Meghan a ride. Considering it was only Meghan and Kate, and Lainey Lui told the item, Meghan did it. She told Jessica who told Lainey. Meghan also drops stuff like "it's very likely the Cambridges will ask Meghan to be Louis's godmother!" I guess she got slapped down for that but now she's spreading the same blinds about Zara's spawn.

I've never seen anyone pull off what Kate pulled off at that wedding. Not a moment's eye contact with Jessica, not a real glance at Meghan, yet she pulls it off without any apparent snobbery. It's not movie-like, where you can feel the chill, and the person snubbing is sending a message. Kate is just completely occupied with something else, radiating warmth and happiness.

Those rings are nice.

I think it may be that as far as the RF is concerned Kate is trustworthy and reliable. They've known her and her immediate family for a long time and there has been no tittle tattle to the press. No leaking information. She is a known quality. And she and William appear to be happy together and happy with their family.

Sparkle is a loose cannon. She has questionable friends who she leaks gossip to. For her wedding, family members that Harry grew up with were not invited and were replaced with trashy entertainment types. To put it bluntly, they don't trust her at all. They may never trust her and have most likely put out the word for people to keep an eye on her behavior. I suspect that she spun a tale for Harry and he bought it, but even with the research they undoubtedly did on her, they may have been blindsided by that story about the suspected real first husband. Not to mention the fact that Sparkle's behavior is leading to Harry's off the wall PR releases from KP.

Now, Harry is a grown man and responsible for his own actions, but I would not be surprised if the RF views Sparkles as a wild card at this point.

Man, the KP instagram, twitter and PR is off the chain. TMI, defensive, more TMI, self-aggrandizing, more TMI, and is constantly adusting the narrative to counteract whatever is going on on social media. Meghan's familiars are running the thing.

R158 R159 Does anyone recall what happened when Diana manipulated the press to put the golden ( pre-internet )media spotlight on herself eclipsing and embarrassing the RF? Uh-huh. Megs seems to have skipped over that bit in her "Harry, sweet kind vulnerable Harry" research. It could prove t be a fatal error on her part. Post Diana, the internet accelerates and intensifies even the smallest of faux pas, and her every moment is on display for the world to see and logged for posterity.

Megs is playing with fire with The Firm and seems oblivious to that fact - just like a true narcissist. I don't think she has any idea of the scope of their power since her familial yardstick has been manipulating her own useless family and 3rd rate celebrity paps, (and "kind" Harry).

Does she think that by wearing pantyhose and a tidy bun today is enough to have anyone in the RF, besides Harry, sigh with relief?She's punching way above her class - and replying "thank you" to a "Congratulations" which is meant for the groom reflects her lack of knowledge of even simple wedding etiquette. Clearly she doesn't know what she doesn't know, but takes pride in her ignorance. Not even Fergie played this game when newly married to Andrew.

The RF is perfectly capable of giving her a long rope with which to hang herself. They may seem passive, but they always get the final word. I feel sorry for Harry.

Well obviously a middle-class American isn't going to understand the royal family's way of doing things, and no matter how hard such a person tries, they never will. Which Harry probably finds refreshing now, but it won't wear well. Straight men want their wives to understand their needs in great detail, and she will never really understand the royal way of life, and how it affects every situation he'll ever face.

I hope they're happy together, and she doesn't make the mistake of thinking The Firm doesn't understand the media as well as she does.

Truly, this is egregious nonsense. If the BRF had any real power over the media, they'd close down all interviews with MM's family in the British tabs.

F&F this whole thread

OP = Carole Middleton, mama bear.

It's funny how Meghan is made out to be this mastermind of manipulation in all aspects of life who has finally met her match with "The Firm" like she's been controlling everything behind the scenes. These statements are made as well as using unverified gossip and rumor and innuendo and said as if it's all factual and that's just the way it is.

Distinctly Trumpian.

Eh, I didn’t see Meghan make any glaring faux pas in that video. She seemed fine to me (though I’m not an etiquette expert). I wouldn’t want to be in her shoes for anything.

Fools rush in...

From the body language experts on TV, Camilla and Kate seem to get on exceptionally well complete with their own inside jokes. They were having a laugh about the pastor or even the wedding in general. That moment was Kate basically saying: "stop laughing or you'll get us busted". Andrew seemed to have caught them, too.

So Kate has to suck up to that old nag Camilla? How sad.

[quote] OP, remember that Markle managed to reduce Kate's role in this internationally televised wedding to that of child-minder! That is damn near a masterstroke!

What else was Kate going to do, though? It would have been weird if Meghan had chosen her as a bridesmaid over one of the friends she's known much longer. William was best man, so of course Kate was going to be the one who brought the kids into the chapel.

Kate's mother was a stewardess! A flying waitress!

Enough of these fucking royalty threads.

I don't understand the DM readers' dislike how Carole Middleton's airline stewardess past. She started off poor in a blue collar position and she made herself into a millionaire. It's the classic underdog success story that America loves. But some Brits seem resentful that she was driven and lucky enough to rise above her beginnings. It's a lot more admirable than the spoiled brats who are born into generations' worth of wealth.

Why aren’t you supposed to congratulate a new bride?

No one told me.

[quote]I don't demand that someone with kids that young spend a lot of time on the job.

It never stopped ME.

Saying congratulations to a bride implies that she has won something – her groom. In this case, I’d say it’s totally appropriate. However said it is a cuntess not to be fucked with.

R173 see R175

For a bride, the correct statement is "Best wishes."

For a groom, the correct statement is "Congratulations."

Period.

Would someone please start two more royalty threads, to rub salt into R171's acne sores, since all she wants to do is post political bullshit that we already know plenty about? Thanks much.

1. What male royal has the biggest cock, since the Windsors all seem to have been on the smallish and droopy side?

2. Name the alcoholics in a family where the queen starts with her first gin and tonic at 11:30 am every day.

i'm actually loving this kate vs meghan threads. lol Do you think Kate will try to out-pregrant meghan? Or will she be advised to wait. Or could you imagine both preggy at the same time?

Thank you, r177 and r175.

I don’t recall being taught this, and have made this error a few times. I also congratulated a mom for her son winning a spelling bee.

R177 Well, excuse ME while I play the grand piano....

You don't congratulate the bride because it has old timey implications that she "won" him. It's polite and old fashioned to always pretend the man courted the woman and won her after diligent pursuit. It's obviously perfectly ok to congratulate mom for her son's spelling bee.

I love the push that Meghan is "fresh"and a "girl." She'll be 37 in August and is OLDER than both Will and Kate. She looked pretty stodgy at the PC garden party. Wearing a wrinkled mother of the bride type dress in nursing home pale pink, looking like she'd ingested a few happy place pills (her slow blinking is the best) and living in her own little world of "Where's the camera", touching her hat, and lifting her hands and arms so she could merch her baubles. She's en route to being another Dale Tryon, who lost her mind. Rumored to be a mistress of Prince Charles (one Diana actually liked), she was reduced to pathetically self-promoting even in her wheelchair, and even trying to chase after Prince Charles in it on a polo field once.

Kate doesn't have to do a thing to win over Meghan. And not doing a thing seems to be precisely what she is doing. Meghan tries to sting with blind items, but the whole world knows they come from Meghan.

Which one is Cambridge again?

[quote]But some Brits seem resentful that she was driven and lucky enough to rise above her beginnings. It's a lot more admirable than the spoiled brats who are born into generations' worth of wealth.

They hate them too. The biggest snobs in the UK aren't the posh and the aristos, it's the working class. They can be so class conscious they're paralyzed by it. I once went with a friend (who had the right accent) to pick up her children after school in Surrey. The other mothers barely spoke to me and when we left I said I hadn't found them terribly friendly. And my friend laughed and said oh, they're all working class born who married stockbrokers... they didn't want you to hear their accents.

There's telling joke: An Englishman and an American are standing on a street corner when a rich man drives by in a chauffeured car. The American says: Some day, I'm going to earn enough to have a car like that. The Englishman says: Some day, I'm going to tax him so much he can't have a car like that.

I just found out that Duchess Kate had worn her wedding outfit before.

Was that a subtle way of throwing shade, saying "I don't think your wedding is worth a new outfit"?

I also find the resentment of the Middleton's baffling. (I had to acquaint myself with "Doors to manual" insult) It's the American dream played out in the UK .

Are there so many structural impediments making it near impossible for the working class to escape their shitty lives in council housing? Or has the so-called nanny state turned them into inert masses with lack of expectations and drive that makes them green with envy of the MIddletons?

The people shitting on the Middletons are the rich.

Not sure if the Brits can see through con artists better than we can, R187 - I mean we have Donnie Shitstorm, but they have allowed a royal family and an aristocracy to make them feel like serfs for 1000 years - but I think the Middletons are mocked because of their pretensions.

After ruthlessly chasing the aristocracy --Pippa managed to room with the titled while at university and Kate, well Kate married the heir to the throne after chasing him around - Carol(e) and Pippa, and I think James, post-wedding almost immediately started wearing signet rings on their pinkies. James grew the Russian Czar beard. And they (most probably with William's help) bought Middleton Manor.

All to say that the Middletons are chancers, skilled chancers, but chancers nonetheless, and many Brits saw right through them, although the irony is that the Middletons' stock has shot up because Megs and the Markles are so much worse.

Kate was a child-minder at Pippa’s wedding too, R33. Was her own sister evil-plotting against her too?

Wow, R189.

I must admit that I did not follow the Middleton saga, but signet rings and the son growing a beard - hanging offenses.

As for Kate chasing William, it doesn't seem likely to me that Kate was the only girl going to the same university because of William. Just not buying it. So big yawn.

They knew each other for 7 years before marrying. Unless she hypnotized him for 7 years, 7 years seems long enough to find out if this is the right person.

If it's complaints by one class because they look down on another class, that's something else entirely.

If you didn't follow the Middleton saga, R191, then why are you commenting? Obviously there's more to the Middletons schemes than what I wrote at R189, but since you're a numskull there's absolutely no point in going into detail, especially since you claim to be bored.

Kate grew up secure and safe in a real family. The rest are spawn of drama and disaster. Charles horribly neglected. Camilla divorced and hated by Diana-lovers. Orphaned Wm and Harry. And MM the saddest of all, growing up in CA, the state of wandering nobodies. She is biracial, child of divorced parents (including a father who can't get off his fat ass and walk his daughter down the aisle and who lives in the pedophile capital of the world), extremely calculating, and has more low-rent sibs than Mama June. No wonder she's an actress. Kate doesn't have to act anything. She simply is.

She is simply a cunt, yes.

CA, the state of wandering nobodies.

Mary! The state of wandering nobodies that has the 5th largest economy in the world and a $6 billion dollar surplus.

R150, I don't think the Firm killed Diana, but I remember the era very well. Diana kept upping the ante, and while it did backfire on her, it damaged the RF as well. Especially when Charles sat down and countered her television interview with his own.

Diana's death saved her reputation. Let's not forget who Dodi Fayed was. He was notoriously drug-addicted, and his father a "business magnate" and reputed arms dealer repeatedly denied a U.K. passport by the home office.

Never mind the fat ass of Meghan's dad, R193. It is possible he has a dark side and Meghan took his $$$ but also plotted for the time she didn't need him and then dumped him. However, she dumped so many people that the theory, IMO, is a stretch. I perfectly believe her sister, Samantha, who says Meghan bled her father dry, money-wise, to pay 10 years of debt trying to live high while an unemployed actress, and when he had nothing left, she ghosted her own dad.

She doesn't have much of a self, is just a mirror, and she appropriates what she wants from other people. She appropriated her last boyfriend's entire identity in the Tig, turned herself into a foodie, and used his recipes pretending they're her speciality or something that inspired her. She's cunning but really stupid. However, if you're operating 24/7 at that level of basic survival, you are always going to be tuned in to what somebody else needs from you, and reflect it back to them. Don't forget that there were plenty of people who immediately saw through Meghan - men she'd targeted. People are all "Ooooh, she got a PRINCE!" but big deal. It didn't have as much to do with her cunning as with a perfect storm of circumstances. Being that she was in Toronto, not L.A., it was easier to be a big fish, although even while she was on Suits she still wasn't much of a fish until she befriended Jessica Mulroney and started dating Cory Vitiello. As trashy as the Mulroney's are, he's the son of a former prime minister and to a dim bulb like Harry, that's close enough to be the sort of thing he'd expect to find among his circle, and to him it gave Meghan credibility. I doubt he had any idea what she made on Suits (very little). All that was really necessary was for her to have access to Harry, and since he's a man whore who was trolling Soho house for hook-ups, that wasn't difficult.

I'm curious about this - I think she has been bff's with Jessica Mulroney about the same length of time she's been w/Harry. Did Jessica become open to her friendship because Meghan hinted she was dating Harry, or if not, why did Jessica befriend her? Reading that Jessica's husband is gay, and how transparent and trashy Jessica herself is, I have a few guesses - Jessica herself is an easy mark. No skin off Meghan's nose to let Jessica dress her and feel flattered. Meghan also arranged that Jessica's car would park in the center when the kiddie attendants pulled up to the chapel, so Jessica could sashay up the center trying to score a Pippa, even though she had one kid to wrangle and Kate had four. Kate didn't give a shit, of course. Who knows what is between them. I don't think Meghan had a lot of competition for Harry, frankly. Most suitable girls had already taken a pass. One took a pass after he started dating her while dating Meghan.

R186, with Sparkle fans, Kate can't win. She often recycles clothes at weddings so as not to steal focus from the bride. It wouldn't take much to make it all about her, how gorgeous she looked. She had worn that coatdress before, but whether the literal same one or she has multiples I don't know. She has one in cream and this one was yellow. It's also clear she is still carrying some baby - not weight as in "Gained weight" but whatever is going on when the abdomen is still somewhat distended. And that coat fit her.

(R195) Living in California is different than what our economy is and our beauty of landscape. It is the place people run away to and the place they come to reinvent themselves. Always has been since the Civil War. MM went to an excellent high school, and her mother seems a sensible woman, but CA, especially southern CA, is a lonely place, and of all the places I've lived, the strangest.

No, she's known Jessica Rabbit Mulroney much longer than she's known Harry. And Jessica is no easy mark, despite being so obvious that anyone who can't see what a fame whore she is from space deserves to be taken in by her schtick.

Not sure who she met first - could have been ex-boyfriend Corey the Chef, then Jessica, then Pimp Boy Markus, but I seem to remember that it was Corey who gave her an entre into Toronto society, such as it is.

Or she could have met them all at So(Many)Hos House, which she continued to promote throughout the engagement.

R197 - she had a lovely childhood attending very privileged schools with two parents who spoiled her rotten, good friends and an extended family. The divorce might have given her some trauma, but she really seemed like a happy, loved child.

It's rotten what she's done to her dad, who old coworkers and Meghan's former teachers have described as a wonderful, kind and giving man.

R182 I think we should mention that the reason Dale Tryon was in that wheelchair is because she jumped out of a window while she was at a mental institution.

How true, death turned Diana into a saint. The Fayeds are trash, I remember at the time thinking what a hypocrite she was with her land mine nonsense when it was well known the dad and uncle were arms dealers and so unsavory he couldn't get citizenship. This was all in the news and tabs and the BRF didn't have to kill her. She was destroying her reputation. And she kept dating him (the poor princess who said their were three in her marriage) even when his fiance tearfully had a press conference showing her engagement ring. The fiance and the unsavory reputation of the Fayeds is what led to the press frenzy. People forget that. Most people thought she was nuts. That being said, what Charles and Camille did to a 19 year old was horrible, but Diana was not the saint she has been made out to be.

Diana was 19 when she was thrown into the middle of the drama of all dramas. That's bound to screw with someone as well as toughen them up. In Diana's early interviews she could not have been more genuinely charming and sweet.

Was Diana really serious about Dodi and did people think she was serious about the relationship? I very much doubt she was. Actually, I'd always assumed it was a way to make Hasnat Kahn jealous and exact some kind of retribution on the royal family while getting a nice summer vacation on the Riviera and Paris on someone else's dime.. A threefer, if you will. She'd been discreet with the heart surgeon, but actually alerted the paps and practically posed in a bikini on the Fayed yacht. I wonder if she had any clue how much Dodi's father was orchestrating the whole holiday pushing the not as enthusiastic son into it. His own way of thumbing his nose at the RF.

[quote]Was that a subtle way of throwing shade, saying "I don't think your wedding is worth a new outfit"?

I assumed it was her way of letting it be the bride's day... no new outfit... just a guest.

I wonder why Elizabeth II and Philip who look like such a stable, happy couple (and also come from stable, happy families - at least the Queen, don’t know Philip’s side) produced children who had such a disastrous love life? And I don’t undestand why, with all the resources they have, they and their children are so academically challenged? Any theories about that?

(R204) Watch THE CROWN. That'll lay it all out for you.

Academics aren't important to the very upper class-- it's the same here in the U.S.. It's almost point of pride. They do learn arcane manners and the "right" things. But they don't have to work for a living, just play. Unless there's an oddball who actually likes study. It was said that Lady Di was also a very dim student. It's like the clothes-- they can wear loud fashions and crazy fascinators, like the Yorks do, because they don't have to blend into a neutral business world. If you read "The Two Mrs. Grenvilles," these ways are explained a bit.

R202, historically, Diana biographers have said she was flaunting Dodi, hoping to make Hasnat Khan jealous. But Khan has a different story. He's always had an ambivalent relationship with the press. In recent years, he's started to talk, but is not big on details and analysis. The more I can get from him is he keeps saying that whatever happened, he thought they'd always be friends, which suggests to me he didn't think they'd last romantically. He describes their romantic and sexual relationship as normal and ordinary, and says she was a very good mother. BUT. He and she were sometimes virtually living together at Kensington Palace. But one day, he couldn't get through to KP, or contact Diana, and if he left messages where he thought she'd get them, no response. She'd also changed her phone #. He said he knew she was ghosting - he'd seen her do it before. He was philosophical - I guess letting it play out. Shortly after she cut him off, she turned up with Dodi. He doesn't say so, but he doesn't seem to think she was trying to make him jealous. He thinks she saw an opportunity for the options and escape she needed - rich guy, resources, a way out of her royal prison which she was still living in - not marriage necessarily, but a pattern she had. He, Hasnat, only shared KP with her for long stretches at a time, and had a small London apartment. A fab family home, but it was in India (his parents' home)

That’s what I find strange, R206. Nobody says they should go into hard science, but there are lots of easier and interesting things to study, like literature, history, art history. One could argue that for a future monarch history should actually be an obligatory requirement. Or they could also benefit from what Meghan did, theatre&comminications. I understand it starts at home, kind of like Lily-Rose Depp said when asked if she’s planning to go to college - that none of her parents did and yet both had successful careers, so they are not in a position to tell her she needs an education. But that’s a dumb Hollywood starlet and these are uppermost crusts of British society.

>>they didn't want you to hear their accents.

If they are ashamed of their accents, why don't they have elocution lessons? It can't be that hard to change one's accent; actors do it all the time.

I thought it was Hasnat Khan that wanted to end it because he was serious about his career and felt Diana's life was too disruptive. So then Diana took up with cocaine cowboy Dodi to make him jealous.

For anyone living with the fantasy Charles is not a piece of shit/ media manipulator/destroyed Edward....THIS

R297 - I thought Diana "ghosted" Khan because she realized he would never marry her. He had no intention of doing so given that his Pakistani family expected him to marry a Muslim woman from their culture. Diana also took it upon herself to visit the family which caused problems with Khan.

[quote]wonder why Elizabeth II and Philip who look like such a stable, happy couple (and also come from stable, happy families - at least the Queen, don’t know Philip’s side)

Philip’s childhood was a train wreck. He was a total striver who set his sights on Elizabeth when she was in her teens. He is the Kate Middleton of his generation.

I suspect that one of the reason Elizabeth and Phil's marriage has lasted so long, is because they have a higher tolerance for unpleasantness than subsequent generations. They were brought up to believe duvircd was unthinkable for people in their position, it's simply never been an option for them. So maybe they've put more effort into keeping things going than other people would.

Which isn't the only thing keeping them going, obviously. They're the sort of people would lead separate lives if they couldn't stand the sight of each other, but they never have.

Elizabeth was 10 years old when a constitutional crisis occurred in Great Britain - the abdication of her uncle, Edward VIII. No British Monarch had ever willingly given up his throne. The implications were astoundingly damaging to the monarchy. Elizabeth was the great hope to restore faith in the institution after her father's reign. Her father and mother stabilized the disruption, but it was cast upon Elizabeth's shoulders to sustain it. She did. It was drummed into her head from the age of 10 that the survival of the institution was to be her absolute primary responsibility in life because of the crisis created by her uncle. Preserving the monarchy was to be her life's work.

She put the GLAN back in EN-GLAN-D!

Prior to marrying William, Kate had extensive dental work done in France. Anyone ever seen photos of Kate and her original teeth?

Wow, this has been a wonderful, meaty thread! Great reading, everyone. I really feel...what's the word?... Not "enhanced" but that'll do... by reading it!

Nutmeg really needs to dial it down a bit. With the booty walk, and the hand over her heart thing, the doe eyed smile. Looks like you all have your own Kim Kardashian. Congrats.

[quote]Kate's mother was a stewardess!

Kate's mum was a flight attendant and father was a flight dispatcher. Williams' Eton and uni friends referred to Kate as "Doors to Manual".

Imagine that! A mother who worked.

[quote]Philip’s childhood was a train wreck. He was a total striver who set his sights on Elizabeth when she was in her teens.

It wasn't Philip who was doing the striving but his Uncle Louis Mountbatten, who was forever looking for ways to influence and control the Royal family. Philip publicly whinged (with Uncle Louis' obvious prodding) that he was the only man in England not allowed to give his children his name. QE2 thought to placate him by creating the Mountbatten-Windsor surname, causing the Queen Mum to remark "What's all this Mountbatten nonsense?".

Has it ever been determined what type of mental illness his mother had?

R223 The official diagnosis was schizophrenia.

Thanks, R224. That should be a touch worrisome for the RF. I don't know what the heritability patterns, but there's definite genetic transmission.

At the time the tabs speculated she was trying to make the doctor jealous, and Khan was never going to marry her. The person up thread was right. She was flaunting the relationship, calling the paps to pose for pics, even Harry and Wills were photographed on the yacht. Like I said before, she created the press frenzy, and she knew she would due to the smarminess of the gun dealing family. Khan, due to decorum and her memory will never admit he was the one who broke it off. But even back then her friends said he did. If anything, her dalliance with the Fayeds probably led Khan to realize what a kook she was and he had dodged a bullet. She could not live without the press, even waging a full scale press assault on Khan to make him jealous. Very juvenile on her part especially since he didn't want to live in the limelight.

In the documentary "Prince Philip: The Plot to Make a King," it is discussed at the conclusion that a) Louis Mountbatten wore a tie with mirrored images of the letters W and M b) he even had the carpet in his Broadlands estate replaced showing the mirrored W and M and c) once the papers were signed making the name Mountbatten-Windsor, he, Prince Philip, and their partner in crime (I forget his name/position) all met together at Broadlands and toasted their success. To his chagrin, I'm sure, Anne was the only one who took the hyphenated version of the name. Edward calls himself "Edward Windsor." Finally, Mountbatten was only the anglicized version of the true name which is Battenburg. How ridiculously cloak and dagger it was JUST to endeavor to change the name of the Royal family. THIS fiasco is a typically and deeply dire concern of the wealthy. Stupid. His success was minute. Elizabeth had both the Queen Mother and at least initially Queen Mary putting up road blocks left, right, and center. He would NEVER be privy to the "red boxes" - the state papers she must address daily, and during the coronation, he would not play any significant role. She would walk the aisle at Westminster WITHOUT him. He would only appear to be prayed over, and to KNEEL before her paying homage to her - just like all the rest.

Why are Yanks so...invested in what the BRF does? Some of you posting here act as if they should listen to your every word on what is proper royal behavior, who's a suitable spouse...WTF? You don't know what is right for Harry or William or any of these people. And I don't even like them. But STFU!

Louis was the one with all the ambition. Philip was happy to have a warm home, a lifestyle fit for a prince, and a secure place in a family.

R228 - It's a soap opera, dude - reality entertainment - Me? I'm a royal history buff - R229, Philip played ball for Louis Mountbatten - he honored his agreement

R230 Say what you want about the Royal family. But Philip did do his duty. Two steps behind, always supporting his sovereign for over 70 years. On him!

Philip is the epitome of everything a male consort should be to a Queen - you'll hear no detraction pass my lips regarding Phil - my posts just a few threads up are only shared as fact and NOT criticism

-R230

Glad to see the Philip appreciation here; add me to the club. I now feel obliged to post a Hot Young Philip photo.

[quote]Philip is the epitome of everything a male consort should be

I'm sure the Queen could have done without some of his more questionable public faux pas like his "you'll get slitty eyed" (said to someone in Hong Kong? China?) or my favourite, bounding up the steps aged 94, ramrod straight for a Battle of Britain event, then while sitting for a commemorative snap, losing patience and yelling at the photog "Take the fucking picture".

It was Phil who ran the show, and thank God he had the balls to do it - Even with his never ending series of gaffes, he was THE perfect spouse for the Queen - together they were the dream team - just look at how the others turned out for comparison - he's even calm when he tells someone off:

I posted this on another thread, but it seems relevant at this point:

QE2 and Prince Philip will be a tough act to follow. Their heirs do not have her dedication, fortitude nor backbone. Charles is the product of a domineering, disappointed father and an absent, distant mother. Williams is the product of two emotionally crippled, unstable parents. Neither Charles nor William will be bounding up stairs, ramrod straight attending to public duties at age 90+. With this in mind, I do not see the institution of the Monarchy surviving the 21st century.

So the question still stands, R235 - if theirs is such a perfect marriage, why are their kids so fucked up?

Who ever said their kids were "fucked up?" I can't speak for others, but I never intimated as much. Life deals us our cards, we have to play them as best we can. The same thing which happened to them happens to us all - life.

Most of you are hating the Duchess of Sussex because she's biracial...one can read through some of your comments. You should be ashamed of yourselves. But since this is Datalounge, I doubt aany of you could feel shame about anything...such awful bitter souls.

Aside from what R238 said, which is true, it's also entirely possible to good as a couple yet bad as parents.

R239 came here special to deliver spankings to strangers on an anonymous message board. You do you, kweeeeeen!

R239- ABSOLUTELY, the only reason the Duchess of Suck-cess is hated on here is because she's biracial.

Let's face it, the Kardashians are hated on here only because they're Armenian.

r242 Yes, disregard they're fugly (without the make-up) dinge queens with no talent. At least Markle could act, and she truly clawed her way to the top of the heap with hard work and a lot of moxie.

Give it a rest R239. MM is about as black as I am.

How DARE you, Taylor Swift?! You know perfectly well that for all intents and purposes, I AM the absolute empirical representation of "Humain Blanche"

- Elizabeth II, Queen of The United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Antigua and Barbuda, The Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Grenada, Jamaica, Papua New Guinea, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Solomon Islands,Tuvalu, and a whole host of other things you'll never know about

do any body else think she look high right here?

Yes, R236, Liz and Phil will absolutely be a tough act to follow. Elizabeth has succeeded as queen by doing her duty 100% of the time, ruthlessly keeping her feelings private, and nver trying to step outside the box she was born into. Charles won't be able to do that, he's one of those people who's dumb enough to think he's smart.

William, at least, seems capable of keeping his mouth shut and doing the job he's given without making an ass of himself, which is more than Charles has ever managed.

[quote] if theirs is such a perfect marriage, why are their kids so fucked up?

Because the children were raised by nannies and boarding schools. They raised them the way the aristocracy raised kids. And got what it produces. I think they were very happy as a couple but they opted for a family model that fucked up.

[quote]he's one of those people who's dumb enough to think he's smart.

Great line. May I borrow it?

I think also the 70s happened, and people didn't have to keep a stiff upper lip and stick to their duties as much anymore-thus the divorces, acting out, etc.

R248, but that’s the way QEII and Philip were brought up as well, and they turned out fully functional.

Well, there's just temperament, too, R251. I would say the four kids are fully functional just quirky or jerky. It's not like they're smack addicts in east London that no one's seen in a couple of months.

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