Jonathan Groff #18

ISTC. RHIP.

ISTC. RHIP.

Are those are abbreviations for something sexual?

R2 Yes.

Any idea why he was in SF?

Who is she?

R5 That's an old photo

Corey and yet another one of his imaginative but unsuccessful ventures. He has a total of $45 collected in his fund. Wonder why Daddy Groff is not being an angel investor and promote Corey

Perez Hilton hints at Russell Tovey break up literally a day after someone on datalounge Groff #17 posts about the break up possibility. The write up is just sounds like the comments on the thread. Is Perez sniffing around on the Groff pages for gossip material?

R7 Wow, Corey's ego must be off the charts to believe he is worthy of a scholarship program.

In the UK and US, no one cares about his work. Is he that popular in NZ? I guess they have no other New Zealand choreographer to promote.

Don't worry, Daddy Groff will come through and push his friends and family to donate.

R9 Groff would be a fool to support such ventures. If Groff is to get serious with Cody, Cody will be to Groff what Brockman was to Tovey, an ultimate burden.

R7 Corey Baker Scholarship! Man, he is really delusional.

R8 I wouldn’t be surprised if he lurks in this thread. He’s posted numerous times about his love of Groff.

R9 R11 What's wrong if he wants to help other Kiwi dancers with a scholarship? He remembers how difficult and heart-breaking it was for him to start (link below). It's actually very generous of him to invest his time and energy in an effort to help others. The proper question would be: What's wrong with you? Take it as rhetorical question, the answer is obvious so don't bother.

2 Mindhunter extras who said Groff almost (jokingly?) ran them over.

I contributed to someone else's "scholarship fund" recently, via PayPal. Didn't even get a thank you.

It is another gimick, like Antarctica, like the phone booth. Just another way of getting his name out there, but now to look magnanimous.

The problem is that he is name has no meaning professionally. So it is a wasted effort as most will ignore this and donate to a more established charity. If he really wanted to hel, he would have promoted one already providing this service.

And it shows a level of arragance that is frankly silly given how ordinary his choreography and little anyone cares about his work.

R13 Nothing generous about a fame-seeking idiot who is more interested in looking important than doing the hard work of getting paying gigs. His lack of projects speak for itself.

R16 R17 exactly. If he really wanted to benefit a dancer he would start the scholarship by donating some of his own money generously. That is how most fund raising starts. He is just doing stuff to boost his resume. He is exposing himself to be very unlikeable and highly manipulative.

R13 Seems to be self-serving for good publicity after the failure of the Antarctic video. Corey doesn't come off as anything other than pretentious and attention-seeking. But I am sure Groff lapped it up as another example of how selfless and generous his partner is.

Groff really is an easy mark, isn't he?

All this weird emphasis on how Corey comes from poverty and made something of himself. As if that doesn't describe half of Broadway.

They haven't even been seen together since Mindhunter began, and they probably won't have time for a love affair internationally. Groff isn't stupid and he knows that sometimes a fun fuck isn't relationship material.

Groff is in NYC for Vulture Fest this weekend. We'll see if there are Corey sightings.

R13 Hope you are donating a generous amount to this altruistic venture under the Corey Baker brand name. The fact that only 3 people donated, one maybe his dear mum....goes to show how many people really trust him.

Looks like Corey visited the datalounge and decided to donate himself $200.

Hoping someone recorded this.

Some photos from tonite

R14 This guy's profile has vanished. Probably told about not posting stories from set. Wonder how he almost got run-over by Groff?

Very telling about how closely DL is monitored, by either Groff's agent, or the Kween himself.

R27 No, the profile has not vanished, nor did the post.. R8 if Perez Hilton was sniffing on these threads, wouldn't he already posted the photo from OP's intro a month ago?

Sorry to break your illusions but what we say & speculate here doesn't go beyond these threads.

R27 Huh? His profile has not vanished. The photo is still up there.

R26 Thanks for the link - the cast looks good.

R28 Perez speaks highly of Jonathan Groff, has openly said he wants to marry him, and has met him in the past. Maybe he just has more respect for him than for Russell, so he doesn't put his buisness out there.

Yes, industry people (publicist, interviewers, etc) have popped on here. Looking back, these threads have been going for a long ass time. I looked & believe the 1st thread involved a sort of Quinto & Groff are they or aren't they. AGES ago. Why people refuse to think folks associated with Groff come on here is beyond me.

Hell, lately I've wondered if he's started posting every so often himself. For example, pop on the last thread & look at #548. Though the poster tried to cover it, its written from a personal perspective. The writer has a strong desire to defend their frie...errr, Lea Michele.

Yes, people do come here on occasion. And sometimes more often than that.

R31 Whatever fantasies Perez may have about Groff - and prbbly other cute guys - he wouldn't miss a good scoop. Nothing disrespectful in having a BF. That's the most usual news in gossip columns, right?

R32 Some fans take it more personal when deffending - some "fans" when attacking. Does not even mean that both sorts ever saw them in person.

Sadly but again, no one beyond these threads cares about stuff we go on and on here.

30 seconds of video. A tiny tease.

Jon’s bf does not get reported because Jon controls the media whenever he can. That is the reason Corey’s picture was cut off when broadway posted their visit to the Cinderella show on their site. Certainly Jon or his agent was involved in the cropping the pic. Similarly none of his previous bfs have been reported. But Russell is active on social media and he was/is? Engaged. Certainly more newsworthy than Grofor having a secret bf...he always has a secret bf.

R32 Yes, they do pop onto DL. Most of it started around the time Looking came out when DL and other gay sites were viewed as a way of connecting with their target audience. Groff and his publicist, and of course Corey given how he treats all of his social media now, come on this site on a regular basis. Pretending they are not that connected to controlling publicity is foolish. Unless of course you wish to cause misdirection, R28 & R33.

R35 Very good points. Couldn't have said it better.

R36 Glad someone else is aware.

Bunch of Groff/Mindhunter Q&A Instastories are up right now if you search #vulturefestival on Instagram.

R8 is incorrect - the Perez story about Tovey’s breakup was posted right BEFORE it was posted about here. I know because the minute I saw the Perez story I came right here because I knew someone would try to make a connection.

Tovey and Groff will NEVER date - they aren’t even that close as friends. But those Kevin & Patrick shippers can’t let it go.

R39 Thanks for the tip. If you go on the Instagram account below, she posted a great story with Groff.

R40 Who here is talking about Tovey & Groff dating? I haven't noticed that.

He'll do as many as he can.

R41 I want to clarify what I wrote. I’m not referring to what she wrote underneath the picture. I’m talking about the Instagram story she posted with her and Groff talking. It’s good. Look it up.

R41 Awesome and personal instastories - thanks for the tip!

The many faces of Groff.

R42 It’s been a thing since LOOKING came out & there is no other reason to post about Tovey in a Groff thread.

R47 Gotcha. Thx for bringing me up to speed.

Confirmed by Groff's friend/make up artist that Mindhunter 2 won't come out until 2019. (see comments)

R49 This should surprise no one. They just started shooting again, and we already know Fincher takes foreva. This show will only run every other year.

R50 Yeah, not surprised. Just a confirmation. Hopefully it'll be at the start of 2019 and not much later.

Sociopath

That was such a silly theory. People just think they are doing the same thing HANNIBAL did and they didn’t bother to even look up a synopsis of the book MINDHUNTER.

Wow. This dread got murdered. RIP.

R54 get used to it. It’s gonna be dead as long as he’s in Pittsburgh.

Ghost town in here.

Wonder if Groff will make an appearance at Lea/Darren Criss' tour in Pittsburgh.??

These days only bitching may keep the thread going - so here is a recent article mostly about Corey and Dancing with Mozart RNZB project. R17 and comp please procede.

The date of the article suggests Corey has been in NZ all the time. He has to stay there at least till June 5 but probably longer. Wonder if he will ever go to Pittsburgh or if Jon was just another challenge to him that he is not interested in anymore.

Corey does seem very Groff-like in that interview, with his overexcitement and wide eyes about everything.

I'll take anything. Thanks for that article. I wonder if they're still keeping things going, or if things are dying down with the long distance.

Jazzy Jones, making fun of Hector?

It’s just a Beyonce quote, I doubt she even remembers Hector.

R61 Agreed. Very popular Beyonce lyric.

some twitter sightings

“Also, I sneezed and Jonathan Groff, who was less than two feet from me, DIDNT say bless you 🙄🙄 I’m only slightly offended”

“On the bright side: I stood about 5 feet sweat from Jonathan Groff the entire time”

(on a lighter note- since JG sweats profusely, would that cause a hindrnace in his dating life? what is the popular opinion/ preference? )

R60 A little embarrassed for you that you didn't recognize that lyric.

R63 I’m sure many people would be happy to be sweated on by Groff

Very serious...wonder if his profuse sweat aids him in keeping weight off?

R66 Except that he notoriously has trouble keeping weight off.

R63 Link to the tweet?

This Friday, the cast and crew of Mindhunter are in LA for a Netflix FYC.

R67 He's doing a great job of keeping it at bay then! He usually looks fit. And I prefer him with a little more meat (Looking) vs super slim (Mindhunter).

Netflix is really doing a great job at campaigning for the show and actors. Hopefully it gets some recognition.

R71 Hope so too. It would be nice to see them at the Emmy's together.

Lea/Darren's show in Pittsburgh is on Saturday. Will Groff make an appearance after being in LA on Friday?

Netflix doesn’t have much else to promote for Emmys so Mindhunter has a good shot. The only thing that might hold them back is I’m not sure how many voters saw the show.

R74 Huh? Netflix also has Stranger Things, The Crown, and Ozark. These shows have a strong shot at a nomination, Mindhunter less so. I was happy to see Netflix promoting Mindhunter as much as it was. I feel it’s them showing respect to Fincher because they could have put all their effort into Stranger Things and The Crown.

Mindhunter is one of the best series I’ve ever seen. It deserves an Emmy. Hoping Season 2 pushes it to the top.

Mindhunter is procedural. Stranger Things, Ozark, and The Crown are stronger dramas. Doubt Mindhunter will rate an Emmy nod.

R74 "Netflix doesn't have much else to promote" - WHAT??

Netflix has the following up for their FYSEE coming up this week/weekend:

Godless, Dear White People, Glow, Queer Eye, Mindhunter, Grace and Frankie, Ozark, and Black Mirror.

They have plenty more. R74 I don't know what you're talking about.

I’m R74 & apparently I’ve riled some of you.

DEAR WHITE PEOPLE, GLOW, GRACE & FRANKIE, QUEER EYE, and BLACK MIRROR (unless it’s switched categories since last year) are not in the drama category.

OZARK could be a threat but everyone hates Jason Bateman right now.

STRANGER THINGS is not an Emmy show IMO although there is no accounting for voters’ tastes.

I forgot about THE CROWN, you are right about that one. But other than that one I maintain that MINDHUNTER is Netflix’s strongest shot at drama category awards.

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Are we just going to continue to post photos of Corey on tour here? Unless he's seen with or proven to still be with Jon, do we really care?

R81 move on if it does not interest you. I don’t mind knowing Corey is NOT with Jon.

At this point it's dead space in here for Groff, so posting Corey info doesn't hurt.

This is the full conversation with Mindhunter cast at Vulture festival a couple weeks ago. 53 minutes. I don’t think it’s been posted yet.

R84 Thank you!!

LA today.

I hate how much weight Fincher makes him drop.

R87 Don't worry he'll gain it back in a month. haha

NEtflix event.

Groff tells a funny story about Fincher

Looking good

R87 looks chubby to me. Much like his Looking days. See no difference in his tushie.

R92 I can't!! WHO says tushie besides grandmother's?! Ass, butt, booty, onion, peach, but tushie...LMAO

R93 ,.....or grandfathers?

Posing for pictures

Looking happy.

Netflix's Emmy promo package is pretty awesome.

Getting excited for season2. Thank you for all the links guys and fan fraus;-]

People from Mindhunter were at Lea Michele's concert last night - if you look closely at the ticket it says Groff's name. Wonder if he was in the audience or if he wasn't able to make it out because of the Netflix event.

Back to work

R100 Damn, Netflix treating them well with a private jet. Good for them.

R99 Looks like he treated the crew to comp tickets since he was in LA. I wonder if there are any gays on the crew this year or if Jonathan is the only one holding it down.

R102 Yeah, sounds like it. Wonder if he might join them on another leg of the tour.

I'm wondering about that too. Paul from last season isn't there, but maybe someone else in production. Would be cool if there was another gay cast member on season 2.

R103 Why would he join them later? He's a busy guy who not only has his acting gig, but the Mindhunter cast rehearse on the weekend and actively promote the show. Where would he find the time? Lea Michele was able to do the tour because professionally, what else is she doing?

If this happened before Mindhunter started shooting, he probably would have popped up on the tour to support them.

R104 Who knows. Just speculating.

Everything about him is gorgeous. I had just managed to control myself and now I am back into my rabbit hole.

SEXY.

R107 He is Looking damn fine,

Damn. Even his fingers are sexy.

R109 Groff has some of the nicest hands I have ever seen.

His hands are nice especially for a guy who grew up on a farm. Hope he takes care of them.

You girls have certainly slipped down a hole.

Now put down the mushrooms and step away from the computer. Time you all take a break.

He's completely comfortable talking about his sexuality in mainstream interviews. It's cliché to say, but he really is a great role model.

R112 It's dead in here. We'll take all of the mushrooms we can get.

R112 you are very funny.

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R116 Flirt

R117 Definite flirt.

Corey's new show. Looks pretty impressive.

R119. Nice. Corey redeeming himself

Corey Baker Scholarship in the news again. And it is Corey’s birthday! Looking sharp in black.

He's throwing a launch party for his own scholarship on his birthday? This guy seems like an egomaniac.

R122 Logic says it's a coincidence that the event landed on his birthday. He seems to have been busy touring with the other documentary.

Cute, smart and nonchalant. Good idea to link Mozart's Requiem to Antarctica and Bosch's triptych. I wonder how long he will stay there. Dancing with Mozart is on NZ tour till mid July, he has to campaign for this scholarship and he is now RNZB choreographer in residence. Wonder if he even considers Jonathan his bae anymore.

His choreography is plain and uninspiring. Coupled with a giant ego and the fame-whore attitude and you have a loosing combination.

Why do a few on here keep trying to make this average-looking guy into someone more spectacular than he is capable is? Maybe Corey is doing his own PR on DL now?

Weird.

R120 Redeem himself from the Antarctic catastrophe? Oh please! He has many years to work on improving his skills before he comes close to being worth paying attention to.

Otherwise he would be working in more prestigious productions (in NY, LA, London, etc) instead of going home to be a minor celebrity in NZ.

R116 & R117 I don't get that. Help me out here. He was flirting because he complimented his tie? I compliment people too and have been called out for flirting by men in my life. Sometimes a compliment ....is just that. Third this guy has interviewed him for Gold Derby. 1st time (for Looking) Groff was clearly flirting throughout the entire thing. 2nd time (Mindhunter) the guy seemed up for it, but JG wasn't throwing off vibes. This time (in person) same. Groff was friendly, but professional. If anything, Groff was prolly surprised by his height and build. I figured he would be shorter & slim.

Jonathan always seems flirty with everyone, that’s just his way.

R127. Chill. It’s just someone’s opinion. BTW , the guy is senior editor Daniel Montgomery for Gold Derby. And just because you saw Daniel for the first time and thought he was tall does not mean Jonathan has not met him before. Daniel comes across as sincere and no nonsense type of guy, always asking elaborate thoughtful questions. And Jon always lightens around him and takes his time to answer him in a respectful manner. There seems some mutual admiration for sure.

R127 Groff is always the flirt. It was a lighthearted comment - don't over analyze everything.

R127 Which interview are you referencing as 1st for Looking? Do you have a link? And there was a second one where the interviewer flirted but Jon did not?

I only see the third one linked on this thread so confused.

R129 & R130 Ha! Not mad or frustrated. Wanted to know what you saw that I didn't. I get that ALL the time, so was genuinely curious.

R131

R131

I like when he asks Daniel if he has Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles on the shelf behind him.

R125 You are not even funny anymore with your obsession that Corey is one of few people posting here. Don't you get that some of us like him? It is just a click away on google to find what R119 and R121 posted. What I find weird is that you judge his new piece that you haven't seen. Anyway, it is not his choreography that matters. We are more curious to track his whereabouts and learn if he is going to Pittsburgh any time soon. Or if their story has ended. But in lack of any such information, these posts are welcome here, to me more than some old interviews I have already seen before. Or the same old stories over and over again.

R136 Seriously. It's not that hard to follow Corey on FB and post his rarely new videos on here. Some people over analyze everything.

R137 I just checked Corey's FB and there is nothing new there since April 3. His Instagram is also dead. (So much about fame-whoring and attention-seeking). They had to google for the videos.Thanks guys, no matter how easy it was, I don't have time myself for it.

R138 The video is under his Corey Baker Dance profile on FB, not his personal page.

R138 If that were the case than there would be no reason for you to embellish personality traits he had never demonstrated based on a short video and a photo for God sakes.

You sound like the man himself pushing his own PR.

Nothing smart or nochalant about setting up a charity for yourself and then self-importantly promoting it, magnanimously in your birthday.

So self-important and pretentious. What a huge fucking ego.

R141 You have issues.

Groff always likes pretentious guys

R143 True. The ones he choses to date certainly conform to a specific type - pretensious, egotistical, and pseudo-intellectual.

The need for then to look as much like Ritchie as possible is a newer requirement.

R144 Ritchie? Seriously? That’s ridiculous. Get over the Looking shipping

R133 R134 Thanks for posting those. There is a difference between his flirtiness in the first video and his more straightforward approach in the second.

I wonder if it has to do with his experience giving interviews greatly increased between the first two, or if when he is in a relationship, he is more careful to not be too flirtatious publicly?

Have always enjoyed Jon’s interviews with Daniel. Daniel is thorough professional and studies his subject and material thoroughly before asking questions. He is one of the few cerebral interviewers Jon interacts with and Jon seems to reciprocate that in kind. Their attraction towards each other’s professionalism and nerdiness seems mutual. Better than someone asking him ‘Boxer or Briefs’? I am mean I would like to know that too ;-)

R146 At the time, he was single in both interviews.

R148 The first interview is the only one really flirty, the second and third not so much. So he must have been in a relationship for both.

It it has nothing to do with Corey and is really just Jon growing more professionally mature as time passed.

Let’s not forget, Jon needs is a charmer and he needs to charm the media to try and assure good reviews.

R150.... I meant Jon is a charmer

Speaking of him being a charmer, this interview is interesting. He talks about playing a character who doesn't rely on his charms, and how that affects his own personal life. Also, Darren Criss is a douche.

Oops here's the link.

I confess I don’t like the influence Fincher is having on him. There’s no reason Jonathan should stop smiling in real life, ever. His smile and his charm are huge parts of what make him special. He’s letting an unpleasant character bleed over into his real life and I think it’s a bad idea.

Also I felt bad for him in that interview when David Harbour is talking about how his directors give him total freedom to play and explore the character and we know Fincher’s actors get none.

And before someone starts, I know it is a good gig and I’m not saying it’s not. I just don’t like how worshipful he is of Fincher.

R154 Yeah I get what you're saying. It's a fine line between losing yourself so much in a character that it bleeds into your personal character/life. But knowing how self-aware and smart Groff is, I have to believe maybe the parts of himself that he's allowing to be influenced are parts of himself he always wanted to change. He's always saying he is, by default, a people pleaser, and doesn't like to rock the boat. These are all things he's probably learned growing up in a repressed Mennonite/religious culture. Maybe he already wanted to work on those aspects of himself apart from Fincher/Mindhunter. David Harbour definitely dominated that interview in an aggressive way, and Darren Criss talks as if he has all of the experience in the world. For some reason I felt uncomfortable watching the whole interaction.

I think Fincher is trying to sell Jon as a serious actor. Plus let's admit it, even though we love his smile, he has "gay face". Easy to spot when he is smiling all of the time. Harder when he has a more serious expression.

I don’t give a damn if he has “gay face” whatever the hell that means. I like his face and his smile just the way it is.

R155 He isn't THAT self-aware - look who he chooses to date. And Corey is a mild jackass compared to a few of the others.

Yes, Criss is a douche. He is pretty famous for it and for not being liked by most of his co-stars, so it was a surprise when Lea Michelle went on tour with him.

R158 Why would it be a surprise that Lea went on tour with him? She's just as much as douche, and even more well known for not being liked by her co-stars. He's been in Glee and Versace, and he was good in Versace, but he didn't deserve to be on that panel. He just comes across as an ass in that group.

Who you choose to date is a separate issue from your self-awareness and what kind of effort you put onto bettering yourself. You're also judging who you THINK Corey is ("a jackass") by what you know via social media. Groff knows him personally, it's a completely different picture.

....so handsome....

JG in ththe background straightening up. Think the woman is his agent or publicist. Or is it one and the same?

".......some more read”

.tbt

R161 Great interview. The audio was confusing though because as Holt started talking about how Groff is one of the nicest guy he's met, Groff was also interviewing with someone and you could hear some of his conversation. The casting director did an amazing job casting these 2 guys.

His smile has undoubtedly helped he and others get out of trouble as children, get more tips in early nyc waiter days, get call backs, wiggle his way into the hearts & beds of men in his path, and charm interviewers, as well as those in charge of casting important roles. Smile has been his bread and butter. Would he have gotten this far, if not for the everygay, aw shucks, man that you fuck next door personality? That Crest smile kept him memorable.

Fincher has made a career of examining what happens when you can psychologically mess with someone's head. He's become a master at it. Meanwhile, I've lost a little respect for Jon Groff as it seems he's easy for Fincher to manipulate. His job is to take direction well. But when it seeps into your life off hours.....it's a problem.

R159 I get that but you infer self-awareness simply because in interviews he says he spends a lot of time reflecting. You are basing your judgements on his interview conversations. The truth is we do not know if he is truly self-aware, or just utilizing popular talking points for an interview to present a specific image and come across as a down to earth everyman.

As for statements on inferred characteristics of Corey, prior posters have also based their judgements on the same interviews and publicity you citing me for. In the end we are all reading into them what we believe to be true, but it is probably far from reality. Jon gives every impression he is privately a head case who is very judgy and elitist, but comes off publicly as as likeable. Corey gives the impression of being very much a narcissist, but publicly can be charming and cares about the environment. Maybe it is true, maybe not. And whether or not Jon really knows Corey or has just spent several weeks screwing him remains to be seen.

However only seeing either of them through rose-colored glasses is silly and unrealistic.

R165 Wow, good points. His charm and smile are his trademarks. I had not thought about Fincher in that way. Something to think further on for sure.

R165 Let's look back on Groff's major roles.

-Spring Awakening, where he played Melchior, an atheist rebel, who questioned authority, got his girlfriend pregnant, and agonized over 2 of his friends' deaths. He hardly was the happy-go-lucky character that he was /is in real life.

-Glee, in which he played Jessie, a completely narcissistic, egotistical ass (in the beginning at least). Completely opposite from his smile-y real life "persona".

-C.O.G., in which he played a character running away from his "issues", and discovering his sexuality and what he stood for. I've seen C.O.G. twice, but I don't remember there being any particular comedic scenes. Maybe here and there, but he was pretty melancholy throughout.

-His character in Boss, in which he was a slimey political go-getter - definitely not smile-y.

The rest are Frozen (in which his face wasn't obviously seen) and Looking/Patrick - which was most like his real life personality.

We could argue that, while - yes, Groff's personality/charm and good reputation probably helped him in auditions, the characters he's played in the span of his career are not akin to his real life silly/happy persona. Fincher just saw something different in him, and while I agree that he's putting Fincher on a pedestal, he probably feels like he's learned the most from him, and at this point, feels like he's been the most inspired by him. Whether or not it completely changes him as a person is another issue.

R166 I'm basing my take on Groff off of countless interviews /videos/articles spanning 10+ years vs. what we've learned from a couple of months of Corey's interviews. I think it's fair to say you can glean more insight about a person from hundreds of interviews vs. a couple of articles about a person's projects. Also basing it off of his reputation - what Groff's co-workers have said about him, and his friends/colleagues.

Originally, your critic was on my presenting an alternative view to your claim he was self-aware. He may be, or he may just be a very good actor. In none of the interviews I have read or listen to did any of his co-workers state he was self-aware as you claim. Not sure why you wondered off the point to start talking about how much praise he gets but I suspect any criticism triggers this reaction.

Anyone can craft a great reputation. And I did not say that the of the good press about him was inaccurate. My point is that before you attack anyone else for reading into the actions, motives, interviews, etc of said performers, you should not assume you know who they are in real life. You WANT Jon to be all of those things, but the truth may not be quite so appealing. Try to give your idol a chance to not be perfect once in awhile.

R169 Yes, the scarce of sources is the reason why we perceive Corey here so differently and cannot actually argue. The same few video and articles serve just for our personal projections. So for the time being I am not interested in discussing his "traits" with those of the quite opposite perception. It remains to be seen if Corey was a brief, though exciting, episode or if they are still an item struggling intercontinental challenges. Last time Jonathan made an effort and now with him being stuck in Pittsburgh it is up to Corey. But the news from NZ suggest that Corey is to be there longer and more often, so I am really curious to learn what happens next. That is a challenge for us since Jonathan has no social media and Corey's turned into next to nothing with no check-ins anymore to track him around the globe.

R165 I don't understand why an actor would praise a control freak director who gives him no freedom. Shouldn't acting be a creative process with both sides involved and not a one-way with a director passing actors notes about every eyebrow movement? I get that Jonathan loves intelligent, smart people (ok, those he perceives as such) but this is too much for my taste. On the other hand, Holt publicly adores Fincher as well, not sure for Anna. I guess the only way for an actor to work with Fincher is to submit totally but why all this adulation? Working as a robot all day long for almost a year and loving this total submission is beyond me. I am even starting to think that Jonathan is not completely sincere in his MH interviews and that he is (at least partly) calculatingly feeding Fincher's ego. Maybe my perception of Jonathan even after countless interviews/videos/articles is too rose-colored, or maybe he has changed more since he got a bigger gig.

R170 I actually wasn't replying to your critique in an argumentative way / or attacking you- no shade from me. My point is that from Groff's 10+ years of interviews/articles we can (to a certain extent) shape who he is, which to me - is a pretty self-aware individual. The books he reads, and answers he gives, all point to a pretty well-rounded person who wants to better himself and be a better human in general. Of course we can all "fake" answers like that in the public eye or to those around us, but that's where the opinions of your friends/colleagues comes in. I can only assume his friendships with people like Lin-Manuel (who always says the best stuff about Groff), other cast members from Hamilton and the Broadway community - who always speak well of him and his reputation, shape who he is and the type of person/human/friend he is. Thus, my opinion from afar, is that he is a self-aware person; someone who wants to be a good human and is always working to be a better one.

R171 You should watch the latest Mindhunter/Vulture Fest interview with Groff, Holt, Anna Torv, and Cameron Britton, in which they talk about Fincher's process. They all praise him and speak well of him.

Perhaps OUR perception of Fincher is that he is a crazy control freak who doesn't allow "freedom" on set. But, if you look at the final product of Mindhunter, it is an awesome show. Every detail, costume, cinematographic shot, color, scene - is produced at the highest caliber. There's a reason he is so well-regarded in terms of his craft.

We all work differently in our respective fields. Sometimes people like a lot of direction and working with people who have a precise vision. As Groff said, it helped him to "relax" because he knew there was a very capable captain helming the ship. Others like to improvise and have a lot of creative freedom. The best part of being an actor is that you can jump from different projects - it's not like Groff will ONLY work with Fincher for the rest of his career. He spoke a lot about how Haigh was very improvisational during Looking, and how he liked that. I'm sure he'll work with another director after Mindhunter, and he'll work differently and learn from that as well. Right now he's like a puppy who adores his owner - he's just in that phase.

R173 I did watch the latest videos. Of course they speak well of Fincher, who could expect otherwise. But adulation is not necessary. I guess also that this is a phase but it is to last for next couple of years I am afraid. No idea when he will get a chance to work on another TV show or a movie. I expect that Jonathan must get bored by this total submission before the whole MH project completes. And about Fincher it is not just our impression but a firm fact that everyone says and the video totally confirmed. 75 takes with all these notes passed to cast and crew says it all.

R174, Right, but we're not the ones working on Mindhunter. If Holt, Anna, Cameron, and Groff all speak well of him and the process, who are we to project what we think about him? All that matters is that they're happy and the product is good, right?

I doubt that they are all happy puppies. I understand that one can be under some spell for some time. But to be stripped of your creativity for years is not mentally healthy.

Jonathan may be acting in his MH interviews, at least a little bit, don't you think? He didn't say anything new, he repeated the same old sentences almost to a word. He doesn't look genuinely exited about the next season (neither the others). I am not blaming him as I don't see what new is there for him to be excited about. I think that now he might be aiming higher with his career and since he got a publicist, he is not that bold and sincere in the interviews.

R177 Completely disagree. I think all of them look really fulfilled. If you look at Cameron's instagram, you can see a nice post about how much Mindhunter has meant to him. Holt always seems excited. I think you're projecting your idea of what it would be like to work with Fincher, when in reality, it's an actor's dream to work with such a visionary. I'm not saying it's perfect working conditions - no set/project is. But to work with one of the best directors in this business, must be inspiring.

Cameron isn’t tied to a long term contract and this is his big break — of course he’s going to be positive about it.

None of them are going to complain publicly about being on a prestigious show. Doesn’t mean we can’t speculate that maybe it’s not that fun as a job.

Andrew Haigh is 10 times the director Fincher will ever be and I hope Jonathan will get to work with him again someday.

R168 He said he told Fincher when he took his driver's license picture, he didn't smile. His need to please people in general has been pushed back a bit. Meanwhile, his need to please Fincher is on overdrive. It's a little odd. It isn't solely about his smile. Yes, he's played other characters who were dark or had an agenda, but we've never seen him willingly take their quirks with him on his own time. We'll see where it takes him.

R172 All that you can reasonably claim is that he gives decent interviews. As for the praise from his friends and co-workers, though I am sure is legitimate, does not speak of self-awareness on a grand scale. It only says he is charming with those around him. I think you are also confusing self aware with well rounded, they are not mutually inclusive. His choice in books, roles, boyfriends, and wardrobe all speak loudly of him, both positively and negatively. But you gleam from those things whatever you like. To me they tell a difference story, especially the choice in boyfriends.

I guess I am just more critical thinking as I read all of the interviews and look beyond the simple personality projection to who Jon is underneath it. Yes he is praised by his friends, and some who are quite powerful in the industry which easily explains why his bad behaviors are not reported on. Or maybe he really is exactly the same person his carefully crafterd persona projects. Which of course would be very sad indeed. Whatever the case, he is not and has never been terrible self aware. Repeating the same mistakes in his private life over and over says everything about his lack of awareness. It also says a lack of personal growth given all of his experiences. As someone stated on another thread, he really is like Peter Pan.

But in the end he is still a wonderful perfomer, has a great voice, and is easy on the eyes. On that we can at least all agree.

R182 Well, I think we can all agree that he's learning about himself. We all go through different versions of themselves, and if he wants to "adopt" a new persona or be inspired by Fincher, that's his prerogative. We're all flawed, we're all learning, we're all trying to get to the place we want to. The fact that Groff is working with such a prestigious director as his age on such a successful show says something about his reputation, his ambition, and his persistence. I think we can all agree on that. Whether or not he's self-aware is subjective, but he is definitely well-respected amongst his peers.

*different versions of ourselves

R182 I'm actually not confusing self-awareness with being well-rounded. Maintaining good friendships with well-respected people takes a lot of self-awareness; the ability to recognize your flaws, and to use those flaws to become a better person attracts good people/friends. One can argue you would need a lot of self-awareness to maintain such a stellar personal/family/work relationships - all of which Groff seems to succeed at.

Corey is still in NZ working with school kids in his hometown.

Just heard about Antony Bourdain's suicide.

It's a reminder that fame and wealth do not amount to happiness.

Good for Corey and Groff for working with kids and giving back.

Good for Groff. It speaks volumes about his fame that he is able to take time to donate precious time to helping kids. Corey is back in NZ because he cannot find work anywhere else, and he is being paid for his time while teaching.

Corey is only noticed because of his relationship with Groff,. So can we stop posting every little thing this minor leech does and says?

Until there is another Groff/Corey sighting, let's assume Jon moved on. Honestly, rather old interviews posted about Groff and discussed ad nauseam than any more pathetic Corey Baker PR campaigning.

Just put me on ignore. Others may like to know Corey's whereabouts. Some maybe to be certain he is not with Jon.

It is very sad about Anthony Bourdain. He was a great light, however troubled he may have been in private.

Anyway, back to Groff and those old interviews.....

This was a great one

So has anyone every built a running list of what books he has mentioned over the years? Or the music/artists he listens to?

Beyoncé, beyonce, beyonce,

Book A little life- hanya yanagihara

R188 I'm genuinely curious - why do you seem to have something personal against Corey? You call him a "minor leech" and "pathetic" - why call him those things?

R192 I just checked and could not find anything. Hard to believe with all the superfans on Instagram, Tumblr, and those posting here that no one has compiled a list.

In spate of celebrity suicides, I think we ought to restrain control, in weighing our personal opinions in a way that may affect some people and or their families ....let’s not put our disappointment and frustrations on unknown people just because it makes one feel more powerful or whatever that feeling is. Corey may be all the things and more, but he is just a human being wanting to make it in life. He has his struggles just like any other person and it is ok to dream big ....why not? He is not harming anyone....let’s leave him alone...

R196 Or we could just stop talking about him altogether. I agree with R188, let it go. As far as is know he isn't Groff's boyfriend, so who cares?

Weird you are so eager to put veto on Corey and discusd people Jon never ever met or are his self-claimed hook-ups. Corey is the guy Jon left MH rehearsals just before shooting to be with in London. More than enough for me to be still intetested in the guy. If you are not interested just pass.

R198. It’s not about being interested,.. it’s about throwing unwarranted insults at it. It’s ok to criticize his work but calling him names is so childish.

*sigh*

Fanfraus are the worst. IMDB shutting down their fanpages where you girls used to stalk has destroyed DL.

R200 I don't care. Until Muriel kicks us off or shuts down these threads, we can be here. Yes, most of us are straight women obsessing over a well-loved gay celebrity - for example all of the slathering over any of his past or present FBs. However there really is no where else to go and we do not mind using DL space to geek out over him.

R199 et all - Frankly there is no need to hunt down all of the FB's fan posters. Anyone who comes into Groffsauce's life is fair game. If you do not want to hear trash, then do not post about him. Or STFU when complaints role in.

R188 et all - Frankly there is no need to find all of the negative posters. Again, Groff'sauce's latest FB is not worth complimenting or insulting. The obsessed girl who keeps posting press shit about him and praising him to the moon is easy enough to ignore and probably a publicist. She obviously has a stake in pushing this guy on the thread for approval so let her post the PR pieces and hit ignore.

R200 I don't care. Until Muriel kicks us off or shuts down these threads, we will continue to post here. Yes, most of us are straight women obsessing over a gay celebrity - fairly obvious given how much time is spent slathering over every FB. But there is no other site to go to where we can be as free to post so we will continue to use DL for our geeking out over Jon Groff.

R199 et all. Frankly there is no need to go through the thread and look for every compliment you've made about the new FB. Anyone Groffsauce fucks is fair game here. If you do not want to see negativity posted, then do not post about him. Of STFU and get over yourself - you are not the only voice that should be heard.

R188 et all. Frankly there is no need to hunt down every poster who has complained about the FB. Clearly the girl who is obsessively posting his PR shit and insisting he is God's gift has a stake in this relationship working out. Or is a publicity shill looking to push her client into mainstream media any way she can. Either way, let her post the silly pieces and move on. You can either hit the ignore button or change the subject back to Groffsauce where it should have stayed anyway. But let it go already.

R200 lol. You are so dramatic.

R201/R202 here. Apologies for the double post. Windows tried to download while I was tying, and I accidentally closed before hitting send but it was saved anyway.

R200. Stop lying. You love it. You love the fan fraus. That is why you visit this thread and comment so often. You love the drama.

R202 boring! So preachy...

R196 Well fucking said.

R201 Thank you for being a voice of reason! And well said!

R196 Please stop with the Corey fanclub posts. He is nothing to write home about and since you have no proof they are boyfriends, no one cares what he does. Hnce the reason third supposed relationship is not talked about on other sites.

To the poster wanting deets on Groff's book tastes, I thought one of the Tumblr fans had put a reference together a few years ago. Worth checking on.

R210 don’t know about books and movies but found this old q and a. Time to steer the conversation back to jon.

A little more light shed on his choice of books.

R209 These posts are not like Corey's fanclub, you are exaggerating. I am grateful to everyone who found and linked here this little info about where Corey is now. He is the only guy we know for sure that Jonathan was with and it was just like month and half ago since the last time. He could not be more relevant. It is illogical to talk about alleged BFs & hookups from years ago and forcing people to ignore the guy Jonathan is proudly with on the intro photo of this very thread (and knowing when the photo was taken). You are right that we don't know if they are still in relationship but that is exactly the reason to watch Corey's space. It is similar like when we didn't know who AnonCutie was, but this time even more difficult. So please everyone who can afford, try to trace Corey until we finally learn about their status.

R209 Why don't you start your own Groff thread - just write no Corey posts allowed? Just don't read this one or else it's just gonna piss you off. Good luck.

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R215 atleast she could have used a photo his fans have never seen.

R213 'Try to trace Corey until we know their status'? This is obsession to the nth degree. Sounds creepy as hell. I'm an adult with my own life. If we see them together again, we'll know they're keeping the fire going.

R216 is triggered!

...the problem with this thread is, people have nothing to talk about. If something is posted abt Jon or his life, there are only personal opinions. If someone actually takes the time to post links they get ridiculed for being too eager.

R219 No. Posted links are helpful. But when some people get to the point of 'Please trace ___ so we can find out if they're still together' that's a different animal.

We just saw them together. We knew that JG flew to London for his premiere. Baker's to be in NZ till July 2. Probably safe to assume they're trying the long distance thing, so I'm not pressed. I'll pay more attention to where Baker lands after the 2nd.

Corey’s attractiveness is a hit and a miss

If you are not interested in Corey, please ignore. No need to reiterate

YouTube recommended this for me. Fincher fans might like this, as I did. Shows the camera techniques he utilizes. It ends with a short closeup of Fincher talking. Wow. Sexy devilish smile.

For the poster who states that Fincher is destroying Groff’s creative energy and it’s impacting his life, please spare me and don’t respond to this.

R223 I think Groff might be in love with Fincher. Love what he says in the end. I think he is right.

Corey's pathetic. What a donkey-faced troll. He would do anything and sleep with anyone to get noticed. But then again I guess he has to given his limits.

R214 Sounds like you will be starting your own Jon and Corey - The Perfect Couple thread. Just leave this one for the rest of us who care nothing at all for this former chorus boy.

R224 I think Groff is infatuated with Fincher. Fincher said in an interview that he was “smitten” with Groff and that he was a “virtuosic talent”. I bet there’s a lot of chemistry between them. What a story if Fincher threw off his wife and ran off with Groff. Haha

R226 Groff is such a passionate, in the moment guy, I could see him running away with Fincher on a moment's notice, regardless of marriage.

Thanks for the video R223, that was interesting. And I agree also, people are perverts.

I will say I am glad the Groff is well loved by many of his peers. I worry about the direction of the country and having many allies in and out of the gay community is not only beneficial for his career, but also are people who will stand up and with you if you are harassed.

R225 Look back at this thread. You're basically the only one saying you don't want any Corey posts. Logic says you should start your own anti-Corey thread. Again, good luck!

R229 Sorry however you seem to be one of the few who fawn over Corey while several of us who have asked you to stop.

So have fun starting your own thread. Good luck!

"Several of us" = you.

I've only posted one link for Corey's new ballet show. Why do you keep coming back?

R230 Sounds like the same creeper, just clearing out her cookies every now and then.She is just one crazy frau.

Ignore.

R229 Chill out. Jeez, not that big a deal. Stop harassing every one about this.

When, oh WHEN, will we get more DELICIOUS nudity from this beautiful boy?

R223 Wow, that was cool. Give me a new perspective on Fincher's work. Wonder what he considers perverse.

R234 Here you go, an oldie but a goodie

Bad hair, but yummy.

Better still, in motion

....

We don't do this enough.

.....

Another good one. Love the face as he fucks Tovey

Mmmm

Jon taking it all in.....

This one is better

That plump ass makes the world go round.

You guys...I was in a negative headspace for a minute. Came here to think about something mindless. I laughed so hard! Thank you!!

RIP Looking. Miss that show! If a producer said to bring Looking back they'd have to cancel Mindhunter, I wouldn't bat an eye.

R247 Same. Looking over Mindhunter any day of the week.

As per usual the bickering about what’s appropriate to post in the thread is the most boring thing by far in the thread. Even if Corey posts are irrelevant they are more interesting.

Also, I third the idea that I would take Looking over Mindhunter any time. Though it’s a well-done show, there are plenty of other shows about detectives and/or serial killers; Looking is unique.

R249 Completely agree.

I guess wasting everyone's time with fanfiction is better than leaving the thread for actual Groff posts.

But there are more appropriate sites to use instead.

R217 Agree wholeheartedly.

Until they are spotted together again, leave off creepyly stalking the boy. At least leave it off here.

Going to drop this right here.

You're welcome.

R253 Thanks, I've been waiting for this interview!

Thanks for the post!

Great interview. As usual, he was engaging, thoughtful and articulate. Sometimes it surprises me how gentle he is. Not sure why that surprises me except that you think actors will try to hog the spotlight and be more aggressive in getting their time to shine. Interesting when he said he doesn’t usually speak up on set. The scene he described that he wanted to keep in is my favorite scene in the show. And I think he’s getting more handsome with age.

R256 Agreed. Groff has always struck me as a really good listener , so I was looking forward to this interview. He asked great questions, and Maggie was thoughtful as well. Was hoping to see him open up a bit more about things he's never talked about, but that last question was something I haven't heard before. Hope this interview answers some posts on here about what they projected about Fincher stealing his freedom/creativity.

In terms of Fincher limiting actors’ creativity that interview only convinced me it’s absolutely the case. Did you not see him nodding repeatedly when Maggie said you have to relinquish all control with Fincher?

It’s a prestige show, he gives a great performance. Who can complain? However I simply don’t like the way Fincher uses his actors as moving dolls.

I wish Groff was still working with Andrew Haigh. JMHO.

R258 It's the case that Fincher has a specific vision that he wants his actors to carry out, but in return the actors get the prestige and acclaim of being associated with the finished product. I mean look what Se7en, Zodiac, House of Cards, etc. DID for all of those actors. Hoping the show gets some awards recognition and Cameron Britton gets a guest actor nomination.

Maggie seemed to be egging him on in that interview, probably because her brother had such a notoriously negative experience working with Fincher and has spoken out about it, causing a rift in his relationship with Fincher.

Jake G and Jonathan are just wildly different people, though. Jonathan is - and has even described himself this way - extremely adverse to rocking the boat, and obviously has no problems doing 75+ takes of something with a smile on his face. The ONE time he expressed unhappiness, the crew was so shocked by it that they decided to leave the scene as is.

In short, Jonathan is the type of actor an extremely dominant, take no prisoners director like Fincher DREAMS about working with.

R260 Very observant comment. I really want to know what she knows from her brother about Fincher.

Jonathan being a passive person does not make it any better that he’s working with a creative dictator. He may earn some acclaim from it but he’s not going to grow as an actor and he’s stuck living like a damn monk in Pittsburgh bc Fincher takes forever to shoot and he’s made Jonathan too intimidated to even take a sick day.

I hope the show lasts three seasons maximum. I think they’ll run out of story by then anyway.

The more I learn about Fincher MO, the less I respect him. I prefer just the opposite type of directors, Francois Ozon comes to mind: prolific and extremely versatile, who loves and respects actors. When I first read that Jake G said Fincher is "painting with actors" I thought Jake was a spoilt HW brat but now I understand what he meant (btw Jake G is thrilled with Ozon). It is sad and disrespectful how Fincher treats his actors, like objects. But what stikes me more is Jon's total willingness to submit to the humiliation. Pls don't start about money, this waste of time and energy is not worth it. (I agree with R262). Sadly, but I am losing interest in Jon as I thought he had s different personality, naughty, playful and mischievous, that he overcame his upbringing. But it appears he is a happy puppy to his master. I really hope I am wrong. But in that case he is a liar in the interviews, so not good either way.

I can respect Jon being professionally emotionally sophisticated enough to keep his mouth shut about any unhappiness with regards to Fincher's direction. Professionally Jon plays a long game. He must be keenly aware that as you age as an actor, if you have not become a box office sensation, or have numerous awards under your belt for TV or Theatre, your star begins to fade. Not only does having a positive attitude working with Fincher help to win over the director who may be willing to hire him for other, more lucrative roles, but it sends a signal to the rest of the industry that he loves his work and is very agreeable to work with. And truth be told, he also gets to work with other directors while Mindhunter films because Fincher only directs 2 episodes, which of course gives him more opportunities to establish connections.

Plus I truly believe he knows he is incredibly lucky to have this spot, and he really does love his job. Those who work the longest, who have the best chances of getting work, are those who are well loved. Those who are bratty, or whine about the experience are not rehired.

Unless you are a proven award winner who puts butts in seats, or gets TV viewership. Then you can be a complete douche.

I’ll just point out that Jake Gyllenhaal is considered one of his generation’s finest actors and is a BAFTA winner and was SAG- and Oscar-nominated...

When working with other directors.

Fincher is highly overrated and I will stand behind that statement.

Yes R265 Fincher is definitely highly overrated and sadly Jon is just adding to it.

So R264 you are telling us that Jon is cunningly praising Fincher to the sky in prospect of a potential future role!? I would like such Jon less than the other bad option: that he is still infatuated with who he sees as a great director due to lack of experience with better ones. But even the second option is unlikely to last longer than several months. I don't suggest he should publicly complain about any "unhappiness", that would be unprofessional, but much balanced attitude is what I would expect of a mature, selfrespected actor. I dislike more and more his public adulation of dady-knows-the-best Fincher. Fincher seems more like these sociopaths he is obsessed with, manipulative, controll freak who surrounds himself only with those he sees inferior (incl. other MH directors he hand picked). Not a good recommendation

I will say Jonathan has been generally smart with his decisions to work with great directors throughout his career (Ang Lee, Robert Redford, Andrew Haigh, & much as I loathe his politics, Clint Eastwood) but my problem with Fincher is that you will not learn any skills from working with him as an actor that transfer to working with other directors. Fincher’s methods only work for Fincher. I have never heard any other director say they were interested in hiring someone based on their appearance in a Fincher project.

And I would rather Groff did not work with him again, but rather pursued something more interesting and challenging.

Jesse Eisenberg, Andrew Garfield, Armie Hammer, Rooney Mara and countless others benefited tremendously from working with Fincher. You people are delusional and projecting your own issue and desire to mother hen the shit out Groff on simple situation of young actor working with legendary director. To call it a humiliation? 99,99 percents of actors, including extremely famous, would be happy to star in Fincher's projects. Not because he is so famous, but because most actors give their best performances in his movies.

R268 This.

There is so much projection going on here it's insane. Why can't everyone just believe what Groff says about loving the experience of working with Fincher and stop trying to project how they would feel in this situation? Every cast member has also said the same about working on Mindhunter and y'all keep repeating the same things over and over. He's a big boy, he can handle this. He says he loves it, believe him.

Big boy who worships a director like a teenage girl? Please, stop with lame excuses. And pick one of two options: Infatuated & sincere or calculated, can't be both. Completely agree with R267,,this role is step back in his acting skills. Maybe some MH media coverage will help him, not arguing that. Money is good no doubt that. But does he has to repay for the role praising Fincher this much?

His experience with Redford and Eastwood was minimal, 1-2 shots, couple of hours, action-cut-thankyou-goodbye so I doubt he learnt much from it. With Lee it was his first non-theater role and though not big role definitely Lee thought him to act for camera. Guess that Boss experience helped him a lot, Looking (not only Heigh) even more to develop acting skills. In MH he is just a dummiy, a puppet and it's gone. be all for few years

R270

People worship talent all the time. Your accusations are ridiculous. He works with Fincher, he likes it, he talks about it, their show is very good. What's your fucking problem? Yes, it's not Looking, but Looking was cancelled long before.

I would like if he just liked Fincher but "Ficher is always the smartest person in any room", "Fincher can do everybody's job better" etc is not just normal liking. And it is diminishing to cast & crew. A non-professional is better than each of the professionals? Or does Fincher only pick inferiors?

R268 Eisenberg’s career has remained “character actor” at best. Rooney Mara’s GIRL WITH THE DRAGON TATTOO with Fincher bombed and she was replaced in the role. Armie struggled in his career for many years after working with Fincher and only recently really broke through with CMBYN. Andrew Garfield is back doing theater.

Nice try but Fincher’s movies benefit Fincher, not his actors.

Groff may like working with him or he may simply be professional about his comments — or he may be too intimidated or unsure of himself to even allow himself an opinion. Regardless of what he thinks, I don’t have to like it nor do I have to agree with him that Fincher is anything more than a middling director who flops as often as he hits.

R273 I agree and also when people say Fincher is a super genius who notices absolutely everything, it makes me suspicious of him because if that is the case he should not have worked with Kevin Spacey twice.

I am still asking, what's your fucking problem? You dont like the fact that Groff enjoys his work? That he respect people he works with? People like David Fincher. This whole conversation... What do you want? You want Groff to be miserable? Are you jealous?

R274

The point is that all those actors - and many more - became famous after Fincher's movies. What they did with their careers after is not the point. Although it proves that Fincher is very good at casting and getting great performances from weak actors.

R276 Not sure to whome you are addressing since there are couple of more people with similar view of Fincher. I can speak for myself only. You seem to miss the difference between liking one's job, director, cast & crew and worshiping the director in every interview even on the expence of cast & crew. I hope Jon will grow some integrity.

I wonder what was his conversation with Jake G about Fincher in LA recently. Bet they talked about him. Do you think he praised Fincher to Jake like he does so publicly?

R278

You create issue out of nothing. So he praised his director. Who cares? And i bet him and Jake never talked about Fincher. ZODIAC was how many years ago?

R277 Of course with all that micromanagement, notes and numerous takes he is a good director for a weak actor. But for a good actor? It must be frustrating. Is Jon a weak actor in your opinion? Not in mine and I don't see Fincher good for him. And since Jon will be exclusively his for few important years with no chance to eork on another tv or movie project, I doubt that these years with Fincher will help him professionally in any way.

R276 I’m simply saying I don’t like Fincher’s style and I don’t think Groff will benefit as an artist (I am not talking about career advancement, I’m talking about skill and ability) by working with him. And that I hope the show ends sooner rather than later so that he can move on to something more interesting and creatively challenging. That’s it.

Also, I agree with those who say the ass-kissing is too much and is starting to seem insincere. If you have to stop yourself in the middle of an interview & say “it feels like I’m giving Fincher a blowjob” then even you know in your heart that it’s too much.

Jon has always brought that level of enthusiasm to all of his works. He praises everyone he works with to the moon. You will know the ones he did not get on with because he is polite but is restrictive on how he compliments them.

I think he loves his job, knows how to charm, and wants to keep working. Especially since he has not had an easy time getting roles. If he wants to overdue it a bit, fine. As long as his methods of charming work to keep him employed in roles he can be proud of. This is a unique opportunity he is taking advantage of. And Fincher likes it when his actors praise his style. Maybe it is pandering to a certain extent, but there is nothing wrong with that. He wants to keep working.

I imagine much of his praise is sincere as he seems to be generally a nice person. If he is overly enthusiast, so be it. After this last round of promos, I suspect he may have realized he has gone a little overboard, so he may settle down about it. But do not think for a second he doesn't respect Finsher. That is very much at the heart of this.

I'm curious to all of the posters shitting on Fincher - how many movies of his have you seen? Are you knowledgable about film history? Or is this all about protecting Groff and essentially thinking you know better about what he wants out of his career and what he's learned? If you were to meet Groff, could you tell him that he's wrong about how he feels?

R284 I have seen most of Fincher’s movies and that is exactly why I hold this opinion.

I like:

FIGHT CLUB THE SOCIAL NETWORK GONE GIRL Many of his classic music videos

I do not like:

SEVEN ZODIAC WORLD WAR Z BENJAMIN BUTTON GIRL WITH THE DRAGON TATTOO

Neutral on THE PANIC ROOM and THE GAME.

I don’t deny he’s talented on a technical level. Saying he’s overrated doesn’t mean I think he is bad. Just overrated. Maybe I’ve been affected by listening to one too many interviews of Groff acting like he invented directing and is a god beyond questioning.

Some of you missed the last question in the interview with Maggie Gyllenhaal, where Groff said his biggest challenge is being himself in his acting AND on set, and bringing his real opinions.

So no he does not necessarily enjoy Fincher’s process and obviously would like to learn to be more assertive. He simply respects the result of Fincher’s work.

R286 Except he ALSO talked about how much he loves Fincher and his process, had nothing challenging to add to the question Maggie asked, and also referenced giving Fincher a blow job in the interview. So your theory may not stand on this one.

R287 the fact remains that his final answer confirmed he isn’t entirely honest on set, so we can’t take his praise of Fincher as necessarily entirely honest.

I hope not anyway, because the buttlicking is obsequious and he never did that for any of the other great directors he works with. I think less of Fincher for encouraging this kind of praise of his ego.

Have you read interviews/seen videos of Groff during his Hamilton days? He licked LMM's ass even MORE than Fincher's! That's just how he is. He likes to praise. Let him be.

R289 Don't really have a horse in this race. He often goes overboard with Fincher love, but it harms no one. LMM was a different animal. That was a bromance (no I don't believe the secret relationship bs). They're friends who joke a lot. Also, I'm inclined to agree that he IS a creative genius, while I think Fincher is just a good director who may get a bit too much hype.

R288 , He was just as flattering of Haigh and Murphy. And yes, the same with LMM whom he had a longstanding friendship with. It is just his personality.

Also, NO actor is completely himself on set. Having worked on a few productions, I can confirm all actors hide parts of themselves. It is how they stay anchored to who they are, by embracing their character. They are playing a role, and when on set, they embody the role as much as possible so they can deliver a worthy performance. Some actors take it to the extreme - Russell Crowe, Tom Hardy, Christian Bale all come to mind.

In the end, admit it, you just don't like Fincher and are hypercritical of him.

R290 Fair enough, I agree with your assessment of LMM vs. Fincher. But that's besides the point. My point is that Groff tends to overly praise (not only in a friends/bromance/jokey way - if you saw the Charlie Rose interview about Hamilton with Groff, and other more "serious " interviews - NPR, NY Times , etc) the "creators" he works with. It's that wide-eyed quality he has about him - he generally seems to be the type of person who looks up to people who have a distinct point of view, and likes to learn from them.

Jonathan has said in an interview when Mindhunter came out that before Looking he felt like he couldn't be fully himself on set, but that he loved Looking because it made him feel comfortable in his own skin, and now when he's on a mostly straight set for Mindhunter he still feels comfortable in his own skin and doesn't have that issue anymore, so I think he was speaking of the past. In regard to him praising Fincher, he has also praised both Andrew Haigh and Ryan Murphy calling them both geniuses. I think because of his talent and nice disposition he gets to work with extremely talented people and he likes to acknowledge that.

Being already an enthusiastic person, he just loves his job and is passionate about it. So whenever he talks about how he gets to do a job he loves, he explodes with passionate energy.

Less innocence, and more excited. Someone on a long-ago thread, who worked on a set with him, called him the equivalent of a Golden Retriever. Just always glad to be there and be a part of it all.

R294 Well said.

Bawhaaha! Yes! He is like a golden retriever. In the best way!

Wonder what they said

R297 well at least that disproves the theory that Gavin is super bitter about how Quinto & Groff got together.

R297 “Come on, Quinto! It’s a quick ride to Pittsburgh. We both miss that tender ass. For old time’s sake!”

Wish Groff could've gone to the Tony's!

He’s too busy doing 5000 takes of every scene for Fincher.

Not really, R298, but it was over 10 years ago. I think he has moved on somehow.

So"not bitter anymore" would be more accurate.

R302 Fair enough. I still don’t necessarily believe that Groff cheated or that Quinto broke them up, as some have theorized, though.

R302 What's crazy is I just wondered if they were at minimum acquaintances. Prolly hard to avoid (the Broadway gay actor circle, Andrew Rannells is a close friend of Creel & is also a friend/now co-star of Quinto). Did Rannells & Creel ever date?

Not bitter anymore is right. I'd be pissed for a MINUTE over that. Small part of Creel/back of his mind still thinks......fuck you Quinto!

Gay or straight, man or woman, friendly or not, no one wants to see their exes getting chatty.

Well, they both asked Groff for an open relationship & got dumped so perhaps they have more in common than people think.

R306 Creel asked for that?

R307 I have to assume so because on the Looking commentary for the Kevin & Patrick fight and break up episode, Groff said he’d had the conversation about open relationships with two boyfriends. One is Quinto, the other one has to be Creel because the only other option is that Corey guy & he was closeted so it seems unlikely it was him.

R308 You mean Cody. That interview was the only time I felt Groff may have lied. Thought he made it up to take the focus off Quinto since everyone knew it applied to him.

He never said bad things about Gavin excepet this

R309 It wasn’t an interview, it was an off the cuff comment on the commentary, and he got interrupted so didn’t go into further detail. However, in a later printed interview he said the storyline was BASED on a conversation with *a* boyfriend that he had told Andrew Haigh about. I think both things are accurate: he discussed open relationships with both boyfriends but the K&P fight/breakup was definitely based more on Quinto.

R310 they’re also not friends though

Is that first photo include Quinto and Creel?

R313 Yes, it is a series of photos taken at the big after party held at someone's residence. Cannot for the life of me remember who.

Jonathan must have wanted the open relationship with Gavin, because he started fucking Zach immediately after the break up, while Gavin was writing sad songs about it. Maybe if Gavin just let him fuck Zach, they could have made it work.

Spot in NYC

R316 Interesting. It was posted just 2 hours ago (NYC midnight) and SEMALEM means "yesterday". So what is he doing in NYC on Wednesday? Shouldn't he be busy shooting in Pittsburgh? Maybe has something to do with Bobby Darin project.

R316 Good find. Very interesting. Wonder why he's there.

Could be more Emmy press stuff.

R317 i'm with you. Hopefully t he Bobby darin story people are able to work around his schedule. Also hope we hear something soon.

R317 doubt he can leave a project for another one. I think unlike last season when groff was in every scene, this season the focus may change a bit and he does not need to be around all the time. Either that or they are shooting in NY?.?

R321 maybe. But also maybe that he just came for a day to sign papers for future Darin show (guess producers don't work weekend). In that case we will know soon. Whatevr the reason, since Sunday is MH day off,he could have been back for Tony's but didn't.

He may simply not have been invited to the Tonys; space is limited & not everyone who’s even involved in the shows that are nominated gets in. And he probably wasn’t clamoring for one when he has to be at work early Monday.

He didn't have reason to come this year,but I wish he can get his Tony for Bobby Darin Musical next year.

R324 No chance they could start on Broadway by next year. It would take way longer than that to get a show ready.

Possible he could be filming something for MH there, or possibly Frozen recordings.

Decent interview.

Also, nice comment from Cameron Britton interview:

"Jonathan is one of the more giving actors I’ve ever worked with. It’s an egoless performance. He knows that when it’s a scene with Kemper, it’s sort of Kemper’s scene. He’s the focus, and that’s not common in many show structures, and not common with many leads, that they’re willing to give up the scene to the other guy and make it about them. What was so great was shooting the finale, the hospital scene. It’s more Holden’s scene until the very end, when Ed stands up, but then the focus was given back to Holden. I really liked getting to see the focus on his character.

Between takes, Jonathan Groff is so light and easygoing and happy to sing with you, happy to joke around with you, and that goes for Holt. They both have beautiful voices and a great sense of humor, and it’s really necessary. This material is so heavy, and I spend enough time in these dark places when I’m working on them that those moments of levity are really beneficial. You always want to be enjoying acting; even with those characters, there should be a level of joy, and I definitely didn’t expect this project to be such a pleasure to shoot. I was coming in with this game face, really serious, like, ‘Wow, I’m working with Fincher, and I need to be terrifying and intense’—and when I got there, Holt and Jonathan were so relaxed and easygoing. I remembered that acting’s fun. Just relax and have a good time."

Oops, link to the interview

R328 Despite Fincher's "tight ship" it sounds like the cast really likes each other. Good to hear.

I swear to God if I have to hear that “no smiling” story one more time I’m driving to Fincher’s house and slapping him in the face.

R330 HAHHA Seriously. No more "And Jonathan stop smiling... you're still smiling... " stories. It's done, Groff, move on! :P

Why? Fincher's right. Jon had to settle down and bote serious for the character to be believable. And to encourage fan response to the character, he had to stop being so smiley during MH press tours.

R332 It's not about him being right. It's about him telling the same story in EVERY interview.

In lighter news, this is hilarious. The cast/crew bets on how many takes each scene has to be done in, and Holt gives them cash. Haha, at least they're having a good time.

R330 BAWHAAHA!!! Facts.

R325 Why wouldn't it be ready by summer 2019? He already laid the groundwork w/ the original super off Broadway show in January. Lot easier than starting from complete scratch, right?

R335 They would need to have financing, secure a theater, and also have rehearsals and a production timeline to build sets/costumes. Unless they were doing some shoddy production of it, there's no way a Broadway show could get off and ready in a year.

Twitter 1 hr ago “JONATHAN GROFF WAS AT MY SHOW IM GONNA PASS OUT”

R335 A good article to read.

R337 Link?!

Here...

R339 Wow. Sounds like he's on a break while Mindhunter still shooting. Interesting!

R336 All I'm saying is off Broadway Hamilton closed in April, and was on Broadway (the same yr) in June or July.

R336 Right, but do you know how long Hamilton workshopped for BEFORE Off-Broadway? Also it had LMM's name attached to it, it had MEGA producers behind it.

Maybe he didn't have enough time to New Zealand.

.......Enjoy

R344 Awesome find!

Here I am watching ‘Looking’ for the nth time but with the commentary from the cast and the crew listening to Jon’s comments and laughs and this pic of The Groff wearing ‘The Most Dangerous Game’ hoodie pops on.....what a coincidence.

R103 Who is Paul?

R347 Paul was in the costume department.

R346 Haha someone commented that he was at Target earlier.

Good man. Who doesn't love Target?

[quote]Who doesn't love Target?

I don't. I don't hate it. I just don't care.

Jon’s choice of MDG hoodie is an interesting one. The hoodie was gifted to the crew in 2013..at end of Looking-Season1. His wardrobe is really limited. Admire the quick thinking of the person who captured the pictures....I would have Frozen ,or just kept Looking ;-)

R352 I see what you did there. ;)

Yeah his wardrobe has been self-described as limited. I think he also treasures some of the wardrobe from Looking, like his orange cap.

R353 .....and also his grey T-shirt from San Francisco. I had seen a video of a fan actually asking him about his loot from Looking. He said he only had one T-shirt and the fan described to him all the Looking T-shirt’s he had ...lol

R353 Saw a snippet of that too. Lady was weird as hell. Let me tell you about all your clothing=crazed fan.

R349 R353 Link please

R356 Just look at the twitter replies on the photo of him in the hoodie in Pittsburgh.

As for the Looking comments, I don't have time to search for an old interview where he's said that - you'd have to look at interviews from when he did Looking press.

R355 don’t blame her....he used to wear it all the time. It was hard not to notice.... I hope he does his laundry regularly.

He should wear those clothes, they looked great on him. And since Looking did not have a wide audience, very few will know or care.

I like the style they put him into for Looking. It fits him well.

R355. I actually enjoyed that ambush...got to see an unsuspecting Groff fumbling for answers. Getting tired of his scripted media interviews. His fawning Fincher, don’t smile story, gay sex facing each other....had enough. Some silly banter is actually refreshing.

Ok, someone should hunt this crazy fan video down. You have talked it up, so provide a link.

Anyone know how to upload an Instagram story? This guy has one today with Jon doing impressions for the book he is narrating. Link to his profile below.

Another Instagram story on this page, again Jon reading the book at a different point.

Looking good

R362 he is looking better than ever.....delightful video. Wish it was longer

R361. Here you go.....you may need a tumblr account .

R362 R363. Thank you ..Jon is such a wonderful decent person. He is always helping out with his voice and talents when he can. He is a walking talking promo for his projects

An old pic of Jon ....I am coming across it for the first time....sharing a thing of beauty.

R368. Totally gorgeous stud. Wonder when it was taken. He looks young

Mindhunter was nominated for a Television Critics Award for Best New Show.

I had a fucked up day, thanks for the posts about the book reading. That warmed my cold dark heart.

R366 I have Tumblr. Link doesn't take you anywhere but to a blog dashboard. After a 1/2 hour of scrolling, found no video that fits your description.

Think you girls made this one up.

R372 lol. Are you seriously taking help from a fan frau? And are you seriously questioning their dedicated efforts? There is whole group of Looking fans who are mostly based in UK and abroad who are Groff and Tovey shippers. Their efforts are admirable. I actually ship the group from afar. They are a lot of fun. Anyways, members of the group have met with groff on his visits to London mainly when he performed “ how to succeed in business without even trying” . They have several pictures and the video in question....they also have stuff on tovey. I am not good with this stuff of linking....so I hope you have success...I will give it a try before i head of for work...

R372 search inside that blog....key words # groff sauce, #dog sweater, #looking,....you get the flow. Hope you find it.

Anyone know if Dallas Graham (man behind Groff book reading) is gay? Like what I see.

R375 you need a new pair of glasses!

Yeah, he's not cute.

When does Corey arrive in Pittsburgh?

And was Andrew Rannells mistaken for Jon tonight?

Jesus wept

Yes a drag queen on Drag Race tonight thought Andrew Rannells was Jonathan and it was embarrassing for everyone.

What?They look completely different.

R381 HAHA. Wish here was a clip somewhere.

R383

[quote]Here you go.....you may need a tumblr account .

Lol someone was still pretending that posters here aren't Groff tumblr fanfraus. To wit:

[quote]I have Tumblr.

Of course you have, pumpkin.

Can’t get over his head bobbing while he reads.

I can’t wait for Corey to never show up and you guys to realize that he was just another Hector.

R387 Time will tell. My life goes on regardless. It's not that serious.

.....

In Pittsburg He seems to have a lot of time off from shooting.

R390. Nice find. It also seems we will be seeing the scruff in season 2.

R390 Damn, that is some detective work you did. Great find, and he looks good!! That's cute that he went to an Amusement Park on his day off.

Murray Bartlett’s ‘Beach House’ in theaters now. Murray is looking hotel the movie. Looks like Corey is out and Murray will be in for Groff. Anyone thinks Groff will be at the premiere? He watched ‘Madame Butterfly’ 3 times for Murray after all.

......link.

R393 Murray's old news. And has a boyfriend. Jon has moved on to dating younger chorus boys.

Speaking of Corey, no sightings yet?

Spotted today with Holt

So it seems that Jonathan will officially be scruffy for season 2.

This, along with wearing baseball caps everywhere and chasing young twinks, is a new look for him.

Groff has never looked better. Can't wait to see his look in season 2.

Looks like they were at a Pirates game. Holt was practicing to throw the first pitch a few days ago.

R395 not that long ago. Plus Murray is looking hot. Who is Murray seeing? Spill please.

R396 Holt looks like a mega star. Jon may be harboring a crush there.

I also want to know who Murray’s boyfriend is!

(And people in here are still confused about what a “twink” is...Groff has never been seen with a twink)

......what’s this about? R395 who is Murray’s bf?

R401 Looks like the girl is just throwing it back to photos of musical performers?

R395 Not even about Corey, but know from talk here his show goes till 7.2. What sightings do you expect before then?

R399 Harboring a crush? Because he took a picture with his co-star? LMAO

R404 No, you nincompoop.... because Holt looks like the kind of guy Jon may crush on...Operative word ‘may’.

....

R406 HAHHA Wow. Groff being brutally direct. Refreshing.

That guy definitely doesn’t seem like his type. Too arrogant.

Jonathan Groff doesn’t date anyone mildly known cause he does not want to commit and he does not want to be talked about in press. He likes low key strugglers so he can have his way. Hmmm ....diabolical , why do I still like him?

R409 Sounds about right. Easier to date an unknown who will remain unknown so Jon can control the situation. Corey, Cody, Hector, even Murray to some extent. All relative unknowns with little chance to become famous. It is much harder to be in a relationship with someone who is your equal/also famous. More competitive and also more visible.

Corey is never going to be more than he is right now. Currently he is far enough away to not have to live with him full-time, so it is easier for Jon to sleep around when they are not together without worry of a potential relationship. He doesn't have to take it too seriously, just have a wild and crazy time whenever Corey comes to town.

Corey is not a big enough name to be noticed in public and not not an actor so no need to worry about competition. Also Corey is young enough for Jon to train in his sexual appetites. Jon gets to be the experienced one in the relationship. Especially if the stories about him are true.

Finally, potentially able to move to wherever Jon is and follow Jon around with Jon's career moves as Corey's career is not very robust. And if they have a family, they can live in the states and Corey can be the stay-at-home partner/husband while Jon remains close to his family.

All very convenient and safe, no real risk-taking for either of them.

Wow, if Corey was hot, it sounds perfect.

R411. Jon is not going to marry Corey, unless he is a desperate fool.

R409 I assume you mean he came to that decision after dating one of the most famous out actors on Broadway & one of the most famous out film actors in the world?

R414 correct. Exactly why he is not dating anyone remotely famous.

R406 this guy worked for TMZ.....damn right Groff refused to date him. Good on him.

R416 Oh gross, TMZ? Good, then.

[quote]Jon gets to be the experienced one in the relationship. Especially if the stories about him are true.

What are "the stories about him"?

Found him....

R419 Good one. He looks like he's part of that family. Haha. Looking hot.

I was listening to a podcast about Mindhunter, and realized that if they end the show in 2005 when the BTK killer is caught (the "mysterious man" at the beginning of each episode), Holden will be 60 something. It would be interesting if they age Groff that much.

R421 certainly the first time for him. Interesting

Actually, his character would be in his mid 50's. Probably more doable, but that would be interesting to see him as a middle aged man.

If the show makes it. The 2nd season will really tell. That initial 'it's a Fincher show' shock & awe has taken a backseat. Characters have been introduced which calls for less of the 'Groff's never played someone like Holden blah blah blah'. Sole focus will become are people interested enough to elevate ratings & are the actors able to sell who they're portraying. We've all seen critically acclaimed shows disintegrate because ratings weren't high as the backer thought it should be or it gets lost amomg other shows around it. Pushing for Groff to let go of his season 2 cancellation curse (Boss, Looking).

R424 Definitely - season 2 will be telling. But I can only see this show getting better. They have top notch directors, writers, and now the chemistry on the show is flowing. I can see it being like an SUV/Law an Order show, where people are invested in the characters, and love to watch true crime shows - especially with popularity of the genre on the rise. Hoping they get at least 3 seasons.

A vote of confidence from our man Daniel Montgomery, Senior Editor Gold Derby. He sure roots for Groff. Wonder wether they ever got together. He is quite attractive and Groff flirts with him endlessly. Something is always brewing in between them. He also comes across quite intelligent, articulate and sincere....my vote goes for Daniel.

R426 I don't think he flirts with him, it is very professional when they talk.

R427 Have you watched the 2 Gold Derby interviews with them? He definitely flirts. It's innocent, but he flirts.

Fun fact abt Mindhunter and Daniel.....

Exciting and nerve racking time for Groff.

R429 Wow, Mindhunter is not fucking around. Their promotional department is damn creative.

Looking forward to this ‘in-depth’ interview. Hope it is something new.

R432 How random .

……nice photo

R434 Hot. Is that recent?

R434......well he did not win a Tony....incorrect caption. He is looking hot as always

R434 Enh. He's had better pics

Interesting interview about Corey

R438 “Corey Baker is a vegetarian, rarely buys new clothes, uses a keep cup and does not drive or use plastic. “....sounds just like me, except for driving.....which is unfortunately more a necessity in US. I can see why Groff may have liked him. But I think Groff is a strict carnivore....

R438. Radical lifestyle....

R439 Don't think he's a "strict carnivore".

Interesting about Corey. I can see how Groff is attracted to him, he seems to be into guys with strong personalities; Quinto/Creel. I wonder if they are still keeping in touch, or if it's gone cold with the distance.

R441 Corey is not that different or unique...Groff is just attracted to people with foreign ancestry ....it’s a phase. Hector now Corey....earlier he had a phase of dating someone older and famous...now younger and foreign. He will eventually wean out and settle for an all American white boy.

R442 Pretty sure Hector wasn't "foreign" -he's an American from Puerto Rico.

R442 I am not going to get into the semantics of what i mean by ’ Foreign ancestory’. Groff did not grow up with sushi and tacos and bilingual households. what is foreign to him may not be so to him.

To you. I meant...

R442 Quinto and Creel are not foreign. They are pretty white.

R446 exactly, they were older white and famous. After ‘Looking’, in which he was paired with a Mexican American barber, Groff has been busy getting out of his cultural comfort in the dating scene. It’s just another phase,me thinks.

R447 Or maybe it's not just a phase. Maybe we evolve and change and what we consider attractive changes, too.

Someone asked him who is dream guest star would be on Looking and he said Frank Ocean.

Groff has eclectic tastes in partners. He does not have a “type”, he’s said as much, so I would not waste my time comparing his boyfriends or trying to find some pattern.

R435 Corey sounds as pretentious as he always has. Nothing interesting about the interview, just the same boring stuff.

Agree with a prior poster -Corey is just a phase, like Hector.

R434 He looks really good. That pic was taken in February based on this IG post from Groff’s photo shoot hairstylist. Still wish we knew what it was for.

Things Groff always says:

"Exactly! Exactly!"

"Totally."

"Right?"

"And Jonathan stop smiling... stop smiling.... you're STILL smiling..."

:D

R452 you forgot “that’s such a good question”

r453 Everyone being interviewed anywhere says "that's such a good question."

R454 not as often as he does

R453 He does say that often, but I like when he acknowledges interviewers who come up with different questions. Just like we're able to point out a few typical responses, we also need to point out how often he's asked the same questions time and time again.

R452 Ha!

R453 You're right, "that's such a good question", is definitely at the top of the list.

R458 It is common amongst actors to say this as a way to take a moment and come up with an answer. It is a stalling technique so the time lapse between question and answer doesn't become awkward.

R459 we’re aware of that. Are people really going to dissect a simple list of things he says often?

R460 that’s how boring this groff thread is. Please give us something interesting to munch on.

[quote]Are people really going to dissect a simple list of things he says often?

Is this what they do in the Luke Evans and Sam Heughan threads? I watched them do it in the Tim O'Tay threads, and now I don't even read those, even though I was once Fangirl #3.

R459 It's common, but not AS common as how many times Groff says it. It's definitely something he says a lot.

Nothing to munch on, thus the boring content. ;)

Looks like Jonathan is back in the city for the weekend and went to see Angels in America with his ex.

Oh wow. Interesting. Seth Rudetsky is doing a fundraiser for the families separated at the border with a bunch of Broadway stars singing. Groff always volunteers his time for him - I wonder if he'll make an appearance. It's live on FB right now.

R465 If he's at tonight's showing of Angels, it's a 4 hour show, so he likely won't be performing at another event.

It’s nice he’s able to maintain a platonic friendship with Quinto. I always assumed ZQ was horrible to him but I guess not

R467 Or he was, but it's been 5 years AND they have mutual friends. Doubt they talk often though.

I think that guy is possibly confused and thinks Quinto’s current boyfriend is Groff. If you saw them from a distance that would be plausible.

Think they may have been there separately.

Or maybe Corey has finally arrived? He seems to be the same personality type as Quinto so maybe someone got then confused?

...Yes, because a stranger would absolutely confuse two people by personality.

Hey now, some people actually believe they are still together. Twitter is even more bizarre than Datalounge.

From far away, Corey could be mistaken for Quinto. But it seems unlikely.

Of course he's also a generous tipper, because he's just perfect. We should give up now, because it's become almost impossible to find his flaws.

R473 He was also a waiter way back & knows how hard the job can be.

R472 Jonathan. Corey. Close relative or friend of either.

Those are the only people that know. May have been over for awhile or have been counting the days until they can see each other again!

R475 what the heck are you talking about? Total gibberish

They live 10,000 miles apart. They’re not getting back together unless it happens to be convenient for both of their work. Unfortunately Groff is living like a monk in Pittsburgh again because no one is going to let this go until he is seen with another man.

R476 I was referring to R472's 'some people actually believe they're still together'. As if people falling in love, with one person deciding to re-locate to another city, state,country, or continent has never been done, but I digress. Only Jonathan, Corey, and close friends & family what's up. The rest of us are just speculating, as usual.

Broken down enough for you R476? Total gibberish to you, yet R477 picked up right where you got lost.

R478 it is not easy to relocate. You need a visa...tourist visa has limitations of a month. So it has to be work visa to stay longer. For permenanet stay there is a long legal process. The easiest way is to get married to a citizen, which what Corey did to get UK citizenship. I don’t like Corey very much. So if he is not seen with him....good for Groff. But something tells me, he will be seen cause Groff has nothing going on for him at Pittsburg.

R479 Something tells me he will be seen, because Corey hasn't become a citizen yet and Jon will need some convincing to marry him. Also, Jon is connected and Corey is a leech.

R473 At least we know Jon is back in Pittsburgh.

R480 Jon must have had a wake up call when he fly all the way to London for the Antarctica reveal. The show and the no show looked embarrassing.....Although Jon’s taste in men is questionable, his judgement is not. Corey is hardly someone to lose sleep over.

He ie not marrying Corey based on a few weeks’ fling! The speculation gets too wild in here

Someone was asking earlier about Groffs reading list. Not sure about the book but a nice pic of him reading alone. Old but gold

R483 A Superman cap!...Classic Jon,

R483 Haha that pic is amazing. He just looks like some random bro.

The ending!! :D

LOL. "It’s hotter than me and Jonathan Groff, alone in a loft and his skin is soft and he’s taking it off”. No way, Lin.

Times like these I wish Groff had social media. He should send Lin a reply to the video and Lin should post it.

Lin is out of control.

I love Lin, he is crazy in a sweet way. Can't take a smile off my face. Heat is now and forever associated with them in a loft. It's just 30sec rap and he managed to put an elaborate hot scene with Groff in it. I would love to see Groff's reaction when he sees the video.

R490 Seriously, Holt or someone on the Mindhunter set should've got his reaction.

Why would Holt post anything about that? It has nothing to do with him.

R492 Because it was fun?

Holt is a middle-aged & rather serious man, his idea of social media fun is probably a little different. I’m not sure he even follows Lin on Twitter.

^^^ in fact I checked. Holt & Lin don’t follow each other.

Cool FYC packaging for Mindhunter. Just realized the nominations are announced next Thursday.

Never heard this radio interview from when Groff was in Christchurch. Super sweet.

R497. Good find

Groff in NY...at a random rest stop

....oops not in NY ....in Pitts

R500 Cute.

R500 lol....Jonathan Groff two time Tony nominated at a random rest stop holding a plastic bag....love him.

R502 Haha seriously. That guy.

Doesn't surprise me. He's down to earth and still has to eat/pick up essentials. What I really want to know is what necklace he's wearing & was anyone with him. Major respect for being approachable, willing to take a picture at a rest stop AND giving them a genuine smile.

Was he driving back to Pittsburgh from Lancaster?

FB posts are from Friday afternoon R505. He was probably driving to either Lancaster or directly (or tomorrow) to NYC. I am surprised that he has much more time off set this season.

R506 maybe after Holden’s breakdown, the rest of the team takes over for awhile while Holden is recuperating.

Or they probably just got the 4th of July week(end) off so he went to see his parents.

R483 .....old pic but same day maybe....

I assume he was at Bee Shaffer's wedding on Long Island this weekend as they're close friends.

Don't think so.Meanwhile,can't wait to see he attends Lea's wedding if it real happen.

R510 Good call - I bet he was there.

R511 He's the maid of honor - why wouldn't her wedding happen?

R512 because she was engaged before and broke off the engagement

R513 This one looks pretty set. He's a friend of her friends, he's met the parents, and she's blasting it all over social media.

R514 she seemed serious about the last one too so I’ll believe it when it happens

R515 Really? Please link to photos, articles, or social media posts about her and her last engagement. Hardly comparable to her recent engagement.

R516 this isn’t the Lea thread; I’m not going to trawl through her social media especially since like most people she deleted a lot of stuff with the old guy.

I said I’ll believe it if/when she marries this current guy & that’s that. I don’t care about it beyond that.

Lea was engaged to the former escort. It seemed like they really loved each other until he abruptly dumped her.

R517 I couldn't care less about Lea either, except that I'm 100% sure that Groff will be at that wedding.

Another wedding Groff could've attended over the weekend - Chris Littler the writer from 36 Questions got married in Brooklyn.

Well, well, well - The mystery of where Jon was this past week has been solved.

Corey, with his unfortunate equine profile, has returned to visit his boyfriend. He is probably in Pittsburgh even now. Wonder if they stopped to visit Groff's family so everyone could meet him.

He may have been with Jon since June.

R521 WOW...

R521 Once again, looks like the Groff & Corey naysayers are wrong. Either friends or publicist plant to throw people off the trail (though doubt JG cares) or the people in here are just intensely jealous (of Corey).

R523 How did you conclude that he may have been with him since June?

For all the 'they aren't together, the distance, blah, blah, bullshit', I'm the one who said let's wait & see where Corey lands after his show ends July 2nd and.. ..here we are. #Americansummers

Might want to pipe down about that 'they aren't together' because the TOLD YOU will be less painful, but no less loud.

R527 Is it possible that Corey made the trip to NYC alone/they aren't actually together? I'm curious to see if Corey posts anything else from the US or stays longer.

R527 where else would jobless Corey land but in the land of ‘opportunities’? For someone who seems to have a steady job or who has his on business in UK, he has a lot of time off .......

527 this is not proof they are together, but nobody will actually be “pained” if they are so don’t get so excited

The "Where In The World?" queens have arrived. Bye, thread.

R530 You may want to speak for yourself. People have gone back & forth over this as if this were their guy.

R528 Could be but that would be an american trip not a whole summer.

R530 Find it interesting that as soon as dude finishes his gig, he ran back to America. Keep denying. It'll be fun to call out later.

R531 you recognize your own kind very well.

R527 Corey will only post enough to titillate the Datalounge. He does not have the privilege to out the relationship so he likes to throw in tit bits to keep those interested in Groffs love life something to chew on. Surely his experience after the comment on the photo has made him aware that many folks are watching his progress with groff. Corey loves his new found pseudo fame.

Wow, I love that we’re so special that Corey is tweeting just for Datalounge & not to advertise a show he went to

DL queens think the world revolves around them.

R527 Dancing with Mozart ended on July 8 in Auckland, not 2nd. Just saying. No idea how long Corey stayed in NZ with the tour nor when he landed in the USA.

R535 he barely advertizes his own show, why would he want to advertise some ballet show in NY....I am sure he has seen enough shows in life. And DL is the only place Corey and Groff get talked about anyways...no one else cares about Groff and his love life as much as this running thread.

Obviously Corey is sending us secret message! If you string together the first letter of every Tweet it spells out “HEY DATALOUNGE I’M FUCKING GROFF”

R538. You really are a Corey fan.,,please keep enlightening the DL with your misinterpretations.

The guy tweets a line after two months and it is of course meant for DL. I mean why he ever has to tweet anything anymore?

R538 Calm down Mary. We gettin it. Corey ain’t fame thirsty. After all none of his previous vacuous endeavors suggest he is thirsty for attention.

If Corey was fame thirsty he would have leaked some stories/pics of Groff already. He has stayed quiet.

The post is certainly to let some insiders who are aware of the relationship know that he is back in action. The post is enough to get the gossip mill running. DL or not, the post is intentional, while making it look innocent and casual. Wasn’t that guy from UK hamilton cast present in London while groff viewed the artistically deprived Antarctica?

R542 leaking stories of Groff will be the death of all his American Dream.

No he wouldn't have. Corey is not stupid, and has clearly learned the lesson from Hector's experience.

The post has zero reference to Groff. If you R543 think it is a message to someone, and since it only references choreograhy, how come that it does not ocur to you that it could be meant for colleagues. / dance company looking for a choreograper? Maybe Corey is looking for a temporary gig? He must have already some professional contacts in the USA from his previous visits (long before he met JG).

Honestly good for them for trying to make the long distance thing work.

Who's bottoming here?

I bet Corey does not know who that Hector is R544 and probably Groff does not either. (pls spare us Hector's own posts this time).

I checked Corey's social media before he has turned that all private and I don't remember that he posted about his ex husband or current BFs. He might be just the same private as Groff when it comes to his love life and partners.

R548 I agree, he doesn’t seem to reveal much.

Hoping they are together. Crazy but I'm happy for Groff. Deserves it.

In prior threads someone did some serious sleuthing and found not only tweets between Corey and his husband, but at least one *ahem* indiscretion on Corey's part where he was a naughty boy and caught. Look through the past threads for deets.

Corey has revealed plenty. He is private if it suits him or if he doesn't want to look bad. He is bad at hiding his pretensions for instance.

R550 Crazy but I am hoping Jon starts dating men again instead of conniving dancers or childish chorus boys.

Say what you want about Quinto's dick leading him around everywhere, at least he knew how to milk an innuendo. Far better than transparent posts from Corey.

R548 Sorry Corey, or Corey's friend, or PR person, or whomever you are, but the cat is out of that bag on Hector.

Corey knows about Hector. He would be foolish not to know who was the prior favorite. Otherwise how can he carefully maneuver himself int a better situation?

R552 How long are you willing to wait for that? Don't know if that's ever happening. Jon has a type. Maybe he balances them?

Corey wants kids and Jonathan is ambivalent about them, so this should be interesting.

R551 There were no photos of him and ex together, like holding hands, kissing, even hugging, nor with any other guy. And that "indiscretion" looked like a stupid joke on him amd his coworker from their mutual friend. And even on these photos posted by a friend no sign of intimacy. I am sorry he practicly closed his SM for public b/c I found his FB very interesting.

That's what I would like to know too R526. There were few posts up this thread about Corey's whereabout in NZ but then someone went hysterical about them so they stopped posting. Still. based on those few links, Corey was for sure still in NZ on 6/7. There is one poster here who keeps insisting that Corey was there till 7/2 but that makes no sense. It is easy to check on RNZB that they had last 2-3 shows in Auckland starting 7/6. Why would he stay for so long and then leave few days earlier instead of staying for the biggest audience in Auckland, Q&A and opportunity for more contacts? No sense of 7/2 date. On the other hand, R523 might have thought of Corey's post (link to a good review) from 7/10 wishing good luck for the rest of the tour, but that does not necessarily mean he left NZ then. So no idea how to narrow when he left NZ and where to. My guess he went back to London first.

^ Corey's FB post (Toi, Toi) from 6/10 of course. Did you R523 think of that one?

Stiff competition, and it may be a long shot, but hoping Mindhunter gets some Emmy nods. Especially for Cameron Britton. They will be announced at 8:30am Pacific/11:30am Eastern Thursday morning.

R557 I'm the poster who said he was supposed to be there until 7/2. Thought that was when the show ended. Someone corrected me. Didn't keep 'insisting'. The exact date didn't matter to me. Show was done in early July, and was curious where he'd end up shortly after.

R555 He's never been ambivalent. Check out the 3:50 mark. That's something you say when you've always planned on them. He was out, so it wasn't for show. I don't want kids & have never said anything like that. He's mentioned kids since.

R561 The 3:50 mark of what? No interview attached to your post.

Sorry.

He also talks about kids/family in his latest broadway.com interview with Paul W.

R464, R469, R470 At least the mystery of the Quinto lookalike has been solved. It was Corey.

Part Raul/ part Quinto. Jon certainly has a very specific type. No wonder he never took seriously any of the guys in the US.

R565. Don’t think so. This guy is a regular theater goer and knows the difference. Besides if you read the latest updates, he said he saw them walking. Groff is friends with his ex...

I still think it is more likely that it was actually Quinto & Miles was mistaken for Groff.

Miles is much taller and way too thin to be mistaken for Jonathan. Anyways it doesn’t really matter when Corey came to US. This discussion is pointless. So what if Corey came is June, it does not make any difference. He is still just as boring and insipid.

There was no mystery R565. The poster was tweeting in overexcitement all night and wanted to see "celeberties" so he has mistaken from distance. There would be other SM posts anyway. And Groff has recently seen once again Angels with Justin.

Corey looks nothing like that old ZQ. And there are many latino guys in the US, no need to look abroad for the "type" if that is what matters - and it doesn't. Just stop pretending Corey is a placeholder or physical replacement for your ZQ, it's pathetic.

I think it was Quinto with a friend,not Groff with Corey.Corey looks nothing like Quinto,it's impossible to be misrecognized.

Also we know for a fact Quinto was in the city whereas there’s no evidence Groff wasn’t in Pittsburgh other than one random guy on Twitter saying he saw him from a far distance.

This is why you can’t take DL rumors about Groff seriously. DL will take any random fan mention as a fact.

Quinto and Jon have been spotted hanging out and going to brunch together in the recent past so stop trying to make it seem like they aren't friendly. Lots of people still stay friends with their exes, it's completely normal.

R572 nobody said they weren’t friendly. I said there’s no reason to think Jonathan was not in Pittsburgh other than a random possibly mistaken fan spotting with no picture proof.

Any idea why would Holt McCallany and Cimtss follow Jonathan Groff Daily account on Twitter? Is JG posing as third party and maintaining this account through his publicist?

The best argument to be made about it NOT being Groff is that there would surely be other people tweeting about Groff/Quinto together - especially at a show like that. People would freak out if they saw them together.

R574 I see celebs tagging JGDaily sometimes. They probably know it's a pretty legit account that connects Groff fans to news about him.

Ok, now I'm beginning to wonder if it was Corey who was with Groff.

Quinto's instagram shows he saw Angels in American on 5/27. Are we to believe he saw it AGAIN in July with Groff??

Quinto is taller,Corey seems as same height as Jonathan.The difference is also apparent from a distance

Speaking abot BW shows: Groff has not seen Boys In The Band yet, right? If he had, there would be photos, no doubt. And it's not like he was not in NYC at all. He is apparently friendly with all BITB leads. He saw Murray"s show at least 5 times and regulary goes to see other friends. But no BITB yet. Your guess why not?

R574 JG Daily has no association with Groff, Holt just follows a few random Mindhunter/Groff fan accounts.

R579 he’s been filming & probably just hasn’t had the time. Either that or he snuck in for a matinee and nobody spotted him.

He was spotted by fans in NYC recently (photos taken) on working days. It is obvious he is not stuck in Pittsburg this time. Wouldn't he go backstage to say hello to the guys? They mostly have SM. No way he could go incognito to the show.

R581 not necessarily. He went to A View From the Bridge when Tovey was in it and nobody spotted him or got a picture. He obviously knows how to lay low if he wants to.

R560 Well, someone has insisted in several posts that no Corey related links be posted until the tour ends. It was so hysterical that those who could have contributed with useful stuff just gave up. So now we have no clue when Corey left NZ and where he landed after. He obviously didn't stay till the end of the tour as you/someone insisted he has to. Might have left NZ mid June, spent couple of weeks in London and just landed in NYC the other day. Or he might have come straight to the USA mid June and be the one behind Groff's photo with the Indonesian fan back on 6/13 in NYC. This is kind of stuff I am here to learn: what Groff is doing, where is he and with who. No interest in shippers of his ex BFs (real or alleged) and their fanfic. Just to get as close to the facts as possible.

R582 Then how do you know he went there? Didn't Tovey post about it on his SM? If he did, exactly my point. IMO it would be strange to go see a play of a friend and not stay afterwards at least to say hi, enjoyed the play, you were great etc. if not to hang out with them after the show. Somehow does not seem like JG to sneak in and out of common audience of a friend's show,,even if not a close friend. Does he?

R584 No, Tovey never posted about it nor were there any pictures. I only know Groff went because he mentioned it in passing in an interview.

Groff is not a publicity whore and there are many things he goes to where he does not take pictures whether he went backstage or not. The entire point of this tangent is we have no way of knowing if he went to THE BOYS IN THE BAND or not, so this is a pointless area of speculation.

This thread is going to reach 600 with folks bickering about when Corey landed in USA and if Jon has been to certain show....where are all the sleuths when we need one....I want to get in my car and drive to Pittsburg and see with my own eyes.....lolz

R586 Do it.

Tomorrow the Emmy nominations are out.

Are there really no Pittsburgh DLers here? According to the interview he did with Armistead Maupin he definitely goes to gay bars out there, so someone would have spotted him hooking up with locals or having dinner with Corey, if he's there with him.

R588 Hoping for a Mindhunter nomination! If Cameron gets nominated, do you think the whole (main) cast/Fincher will go?

Wonder is he alone or with Corey

For the Fincher haters/doubters, here's an interview with Jackie Erdie who played Richard Speck in Mindhunter. He says he'd, " crawl through broken glass, I’d navigate fan blades, to work with him (Fincher) again. " He talks through some scenes in Mindhunter and what an amazing experience it was working on it.

So Groff definitely isn't the only one who loves working with Fincher.

So any bets on how long this lasts? Since Corey must be living in Jon's place while in NY, it has moved forward very fast for a couple who only see each other a few months a year. I give it 3 years if they live together full time - long enough for Corey to milk as much as he can from being with Jon. I give it 5 years if they remain living apart. Although since Corey seems to have abandoned his business in London and chosen to spend long holidays in NY, it is obvious his level of commitment to his career is low. Do maybe even living apart, they are together for 3 years.

And anyone else think that it has only become more serious because they spend time apart? If they actually had to commit, it would fall to pieces.

I also wonder if Corey does stay in NY, if his scheme to get his citizenship through Jon, once he can convince Jon to marry him, will follow through as it did for his first husband.

The least he can do as he continues to live off of Jon, as he is now in NY, is to be a stay-at-home daddy to their kids.

Doing some research on critics picks for the Emmy noms tomorrow, and something fun/interesting came up. Lin -Manuel Miranda is a shoe-in for guest actor in a comedy for Curb Your Enthusiasm, and if Mindhunter gets nominated, or if Groff attends as a guest, they will be nominated/be there together. That would be amazing.

R593 / R594 What is the purpose of speculating on all of this without knowing ANYTHING about their relationship? I'm just curious as to why you're so sure that Corey is using Groff. You must not have a very high opinion of Groff to think he could be duped so easily.

The elaborate fantasies about gold-digging Corey who will raise their imaginary kids together...ridiculous.

Sure hector too must have lived with groff in Pittsburg. That’s how it works for Groff.

Okay, so it's likely that Corey is dating Jon and possibly staying with him in Pittsburgh right now but there is no proof to any of this yet so why speculate about how many years together and marriage when we don't even know if he is in Pittsburgh. And how is this the way Jon works because as far as I'm aware Hector did not live with Jon in Pittsburgh as he was still in doing On Your Feet the whole time. I'd rather focus my energy on hoping that Jon gets the Emmy nom that he deserves for Mindhunter as he didn't get it for his exceptional performance in Looking!

Hector did not live with Groff! They dated for a short time & he is only discussed because we rarely uncover a Groff boyfriend. Which is also why saying “this is how it works for Groff” is preposterous - we don’t know how it works at all.

Jonathan is an amazing actor but he does not deserve an Emmy for Mindhunter. I hope thy do not give out Emmys based on lost chances.